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Pregame notes: Pineda gets the ball

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Everyone seems to have the same first impression of Michael Pineda.

“Big guy, man,” Freddy Garcia said. “You know, he had a great season last year. He’s got a power arm. But now he’s here in New York. Now he’s got an adjustment, because it’s different to pitch in Seattle and here in New York. Different division… Last year nobody knows him. This year he has to prove how good he is.”

This afternoon in Clearwater, the Yankees get their first real look at Pineda in pinstripes. Yes, he’s thrown batting practice a few times, but today he’ll be on the mound, in a game, facing live hitters trying to win a ballgame.

“It’s always better to look at a guy that’s got a power arm like that when he’s on your side,” Joe Girardi said. “I’m anxious to see him throw a couple changeups too, see if it works.”

• Mariano Rivera threw a 28-pitch batting practice session today. Girardi drove him to the field in a golf cart, then Chris Dickerson and Francisco Cervelli took their hacks. Dickerson had a couple of would-have-been hits and celebrated the fact he didn’t break a bat. “The next one is a big one,” Rivera said. “(Find out) how you bounce back.”

• Girardi said Rivera will likely throw another batting practice on Thursday and could be in a game on Sunday. Rivera said he wasn’t sure when he’d pitch in a game, but this weekend made sense.

• Random moment from BP: Cervelli lined a ball off the screen in front of Rivera. A pitch or two later, Rivera went inside and Cervelli had to jump out of the way. “That’s what happens when you hit one,” Girardi yelled.

• Rafael Soriano also threw BP this morning. He went 26 pitches. Girardi was happy with both of his late-inning relievers.

• Tomorrow, D.J. Mitchell, Freddy Garcia and Joba Chamberlain each have sides.

• Five pitchers threw sides today: Brad Meyers, Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, David Phelps and Ivan Nova.

• Today’s available pitchers: Dave Robertson, Cesar Cabral, Dan Burawa, Adam Miller, Ryan Pope, Juan Cedeno, Graham Stoneburner, Brett Marshall, Mike O’Connor

• Today’s second string: C Gustavo Molina, 1B Jorge Vazquez, 2B Corban Joseph, SS Ramiro Pena, 3B Brandon Laird, LF Zoilo Almonte, CF Melky Mesa, RF Colin Curtis, DH Justin Maxwell

• Tomorrow’s traveling players:

Pitchers: Cesar Cabral, Phil Hughes, Brett Marshall, Mike O’Connor, CC Sabathia, Graham Stoneburner, Adam Warren, Kevin Whelan, Chase Whitley
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Jose Gil, J.R. Murphy, Gary Sanchez
Infielders: David Adams, Doug Bernier, Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Corban Joseph, Brandon Laird, Ramiro Pena, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Jorge Vazquez
Outfielders: Zoilo Almonte, Colin Curtis, Chris Dickerson, Andruw Jones, Justin Maxwell, Melky Mesa, Dewayne Wise

UPDATE, 11:11 a.m.: Hunter Pence is back in there for the Phillies.

PHILLIES
Jimmy Rollins SS
Placido Polanco 3B
Shane Victorino CF
Jim Thome DH
Hunter Pence RF
Ty Wigginton 1B
Domonic Brown LF
Brian Schneider C
Kevin Frandsen 2B

Associated Press photo and a cell phone photo (you can tell which is which)

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350 Responses to “Pregame notes: Pineda gets the ball”

  1. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I prefer the style of reporting where you get the facts, not opinions.

    For example, I don’t have to worry when reading something from Chad what his angle is. On the other hand, given what he wrote this morning about Pineda I don’t know that I’ll be able to read a George King account of a Pineda start without thinking that maybe he’s being overly critical because he views him as an immature guy.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Chip – perfectly stated!

  3. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    repost:

    Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Oh boy, I almost forgot how much Girardi got on Joe’s case about not being forthcoming with the media…

    In fairness to Pete, Uncle Joe needed to adapt – but in fairness to Uncle Joe he’s not obligated to share every little detail with the media, something Pete seemed to always have a problem with. I’d hate to see the guy cover the Devils when the most they’ll tell you (even if a guy tears his ACL) is that a guy has a ‘lower body issue.’

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Welcome to ST Michael Pineda!!! Your fans have your back and are super excited about you being here!!!

  5. CountryClub March 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I come to this site to get information. Chad does the pre game and post game. He gives me the quotes. He doesnt put his spin on things. If I wanted spin, I’d read the Post or ESPNNY.

  6. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Perhaps Chad has higher aspirations and wants to be labeled as a journalist ……not a blogger.?

    Imagine that..

  7. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Somebody want to tell me if there’s any humor or insight in this post? I never read the posts.

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Tom in N.J. – LMAO!!!!!

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I enjoy Chad’s conscientious attention to the younger players as well as the veterans.

    Well done, Chad.

  10. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Somebody want to tell me if there?s any humor or insight in this post? I never read the posts.

    ****************

    :lol:

  11. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    ….now I can’t stop researching famous centaurs….

  12. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    If Dylan is the Babe, this grp can be considered collectively as the 27 Yanks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;ob=av2e

  13. mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    # mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    everybody complains about “sensationalistic” journalism, yes it sells.
    people hate boring.
    but love to watch a train wreck.
    =====================
    make up your collective minds, hypocrites.

  14. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Do you guys think Arod transforms like a werewolf when there’s a full moon? Or do you think he just puts on a centaur suit?

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    mick – give me boring anytime. I can cull what I need to. I tend to mistrust sensationalism

  16. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    tom, i just read it and no there isnt

  17. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am
    ?.now I can?t stop researching famous centaurs?.

    **************

    LOL

    I’m telling you….. short story. :)

  18. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    AndrewMarchand The Yanks love Eduardo Nunez, but at some point he needs to get better on D. The plan is for him to play a lot. Maybe more than last yr.

  19. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    If Dylan is the Babe, this grp can be considered collectively as the 27 Yanks.

    —————–

    At first I thought you might be posting a video of the Traveling Wilburys lol

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Also, Pete’s opinions were so strong that he spent his time trying to convince everyone to think his way. When you didn’t, you were “delusional”.

    That’s just nutty to me. I don’t need a heavy-handed moderator who lacks objectivity the majority of the time and is totally self centered and self interested!

  21. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    you have to admit it was pretty funny that pete went to the madonna presser just to ask her if she had seen arod’s centaur paintings. even funnier that someone else beat him to the question…

  22. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    ‘give me boring anytime’….speaks for itself….

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Ys Guy – I don’t know if “funny” is the word I’d use. Maybe neurotic? Obsessive? Overbloated? Out-of-place?

  24. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Erin – Did you know there was a constellation of the most famous Greek centaur, Chyren? I wonder when you can spot it. I bet Arod bought some of those stars.

    “AndrewMarchand The Yanks love Eduardo Nunez”

    The Yankees love Eduardo Nunez??

  25. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I closed the italics I swear!!

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    “‘give me boring anytime’….speaks for itself….”

    I’m sure there are worst things to be. Like overly-critical.

  27. mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    —————–

    At first I thought you might be posting a video of the Traveling Wilburys lol
    ========================
    same here.

  28. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    “That’s just nutty to me. I don’t need a heavy-handed moderator who lacks objectivity the majority of the time and is totally self centered and self interested!”

    Pete was kinda crazy that way but I would welcome Chad to join us more often in the comments… then again, half of the regulars have to take sabbaticals to stand it lol, so I don’t blame the guy.

  29. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Shame-I did not know that. My knowledge of centaurs is extremely limited. ;)

  30. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Erin, I am much shallower than that…wilbur who?

  31. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Writers are their obsessions.

    Pete’s are petty.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    “I can’t feel you any more, I can’t even TOUCH the books you’ve read…”

    Only one guy could come up with a line like that.
    ///

    My third day of having to watch the game on MLB archives, and this time no TV replay…

  33. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    “I’m anxious to see him throw a couple changeups too, see if it works.”- joe girardi

    the sophistication and depth of the plan to teach pineda a pitch that his yankee career depends on is astounding.

    to think i was concerned about pineda ever being taught a plus change up.

    i mean, anyone can tell joe is on top of it.

    he even said he hopes he throws more than one change up.

    he said a couple. oh boy. this is gonna be good today.

    trisha is right. we should all just sit back like a bunch of lobotomized zombies and cheer for our yankees.

    it brings tears to my eyes just knowing we’ll see not just one but a couple of change ups from michael today :)

  34. mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    ” you and me baby are nothin but mammals,
    let’s do it like they do it on Discovery Channel.”

    funny video.

  35. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Now I’m in the mood for some Traveling Wilburys

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;ob=av2e

  36. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    mick, much like dylan, these lads r keen observers of human conditions.

  37. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Pete was great.

  38. mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    loved the wilbury’s, George got to be the star.

  39. mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    pete kicked me off for calling him a closet red sox fan.
    i thought i was being nice..

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Oh randy, you can’t help but feel that the baseball universe centers around your (perceived)vast knowledge when we all know that your biases always show up in your posts. You were biased toward Posada and Joe Torre and whipped anyone who didn’t share your ardor. So now that Montero was traded you will continue to hide behind a smoke screen of what you feel Pineda should be when it really once again merely indicates your bias for Montero and you attempt to dress is in some vast knowledge.

    And yet the baseball scouts aren’t agreeing with your trepidations!

    Strange.

    You hate Girardi, Cashman, and now Pineda and all will continue to get your overtly biased criticism, dressed up as baseball knowledge.

    Do I have that right? No need to answer.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    You say I let you down, you know it’s not like that/If you’re so hurt, why then don’t you show it?

    /You say you lost your faith, but that’s not where it’s at/You have no faith to lose — and you know it.

    Ouch! No one can sling it like Bobby D.

    Off to non-baseball inconveniences.

    Good one, all.

  42. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    i disagreed with pete alot and he called me out on it a bunch of times, but he was great! no milquetoast there, the guy said what he thought and never missed anything going on with the yankees. you dodnt have to go anywhere else to find out what was up.

    if i ever post “i’ll take boring every time”, just shoot me…

  43. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    mick March 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    pete kicked me off for calling him a closet red sox fan.
    i thought i was being nice..
    ———————

    Hahahahahaha.. never got why he denied it so. I hope he’s having fun posting at Extra Bases. I know he’s really appreciated by the 10 people that check in there daily.

  44. Hassey March 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    A few days late, but did any of you see this great interview with Albert Belle? I can’t believe what he looks like now, for such a young guy. I guess that’s what a lifetime of internalized anger can do to a man…

    http://www.cleveland.com/tribe....._visi.html

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    “trisha is right. we should all just sit back like a bunch of lobotomized zombies and cheer for our yankees.”

    One malcontent’s “lobotomized zombies” is a well-adjusted person’s “loyal fans”.

  46. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Erin March 5th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Shame-I did not know that. My knowledge of centaurs is extremely limited. ;)

    ————————-

    That’s what this blog is for, Erin, expanding one’s mind. Thought it’d be obvious :D

  47. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Pete once sent me a really strange and bizarre email.

    I think it was intended for somebody else, GB perhaps, because he referenced my military service history.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Ys Guy – I know you like to short cut things but I said boring as opposed to sensationalistic.

    So why don’t you tell the real story? Your quote should be “if i ever post ‘i’ll take boring every time as opposed to sensationalistic’, just shoot me…”

    For fun, please post it though. I’d be happy to do the honors.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    You were biased toward Posada and Joe Torre and whipped anyone who didn’t share your ardor.
    ///

    Gotta run, but what does “biased TOWARD Posada mean, Trish?”

    That’s like saying a Yankee fan is biased TOWARD Jeter….???

    Biased TOWARD the Yankees…???

    Something to ponder.

    Later.

  50. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Chip – My point is that we don’t have to worry about Chad’s slant, or angle… or his content… because everything he reports is public knowledge and found on Sportscenter.

    That’s what’s missing from this blog. If he wants to be a journalist he should do that. He’s running a blog, though.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    J Al – nothing to think about. No need to help randy because of the Montero bias. He’s a big boy and has shown he knows how to speak for himself.

    You never would have jumped in something I said if it wasn’t for the Montero part. I guess you can’t help it.

    I forgive you.

    :)

    Biased toward Posada means that anyone who criticized Posada got it both barrels from Randy. Happy you get it now.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    You never would have jumped in something I said if it wasn’t for the Montero part. I guess you can’t help it.
    ///

    trisha, I’m running out, but actually it’s the Posada part I took issue with. I don’t understand bias toward Posada, in support of……………?????

    Fill in the blank, I’ll check laer

  53. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Chip – My point is that we don’t have to worry about Chad’s slant, or angle… or his content… because everything he reports is public knowledge and found on Sportscenter.

    That’s what’s missing from this blog. If he wants to be a journalist he should do that. He’s running a blog, though.
    ————————-

    There are several different types of journalists:

    1. Reporters – they report on what is going on. They tend to give the straight up and down of how things have transpired.

    2. Columnists – They focus less on the day-to-day stuff and offer more opinions based on their vision of the “big picture”

    3. “Insiders” – these are the guys who often quote “unnamed sources” or speculate on rumors

    Chad is a journalist, and in my opinion, a good one. If you want rumors (or more accurately, gossip) there are plenty of others who offer that as their daily fare.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    ID – maybe that’s the part I don’t really agree with. I think of him as merely moderating a blog and reporting information for us to discuss. Taht’s not such a bad thing, is it?

  55. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Wilburys brings Roy Orbison to mind. Miss that guy. Fantastic talent that was dogged by tragedy his entire career.

  56. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    As I understand it the Mariners viewed Montero getting hit with the foul ball as a good and bad thing. The bad was that he got hit with the foul ball – the good was that he kept the ball in front of him.

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    J Al – since I have no clue what you’re talking about, I’ll wait until you come back so you don’t need to post shorthand.

    :)

  58. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I actually liked Montero as a Yankee prospect – the unmitigated hatred towards Pineda and this trade have actually made me root against Montero out of spite.

  59. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    randy was right about Posada, so he couldn’t have been biased regarding him.

    He’s wrong about the Montero-Pineda deal, so he demonstrates quite a bit of bias regarding that trade.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Chad, that’s the thing that bothers me when I read the criticism of Chad. I am not saying ID is one, but there are posters here who live for the gossipy kinds of things and feel they have the right to the inside scoop all the time and that the Yankees have no right to keep anything private.

    Maybe it’s because I majored in journalism and was totally turned off by yellow journalism (all the news that’s fit to print) and sensationalism and saw how the media injected itself into stories and actually went so far as to make things up (an unnamed source) AT TIMES to sell stories.

    Give me straight news reporting any time.

  61. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    NEVER like seeing a catcher go to the ground after getting hit with a foul-ball. The concussion\whip-lash ramifications usually last for days. Same goes for the home plate Ump.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    “randy was right about Posada, so he couldn’t have been biased regarding him.

    He’s wrong about the Montero-Pineda deal, so he demonstrates quite a bit of bias regarding that trade.”

    :D

  63. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “You hate Girardi, Cashman, and now Pineda and all will continue to get your overtly biased criticism, dressed up as baseball knowledge.”
    trisha-

    i just said it brings tears to my eyes that joe is rooting for michael to throw a few change ups to see if it “works”.

    now if i can just get that screw driver that’s in my forehead that i used for the yankee fan lobotomy to quit bumping into things while i’m walking around, i’ll be really happy.

    but you know, not worrying about anything is such a cool feeling.

    thanks for turning me on to this special way of looking at things :)

  64. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    i always assumed montero was going to be traded so i didnt get attached. and i love the trade. but i also intend to have both pineda and montero on my fbb team if i can.

  65. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I actually liked Montero as a Yankee prospect – the unmitigated hatred towards Pineda and this trade have actually made me root against Montero out of spite.
    ———————

    Its a little weird, I can kinda relate.

  66. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    I wonder if Arod gave out special rings to Cano and Montero so they could make the change to centaur together.

    Harness the power of the centaur!!

  67. pat March 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    “the guy said what he thought …”

    He said what he thought would get the most comments. If he actually believed much of what he wrote, no sane person should employ him.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    “i always assumed montero was going to be traded so i didnt get attached. and i love the trade. but i also intend to have both pineda and montero on my fbb team if i can.”

    Smart move.

    “but you know, not worrying about anything is such a cool feeling.

    thanks for turning me on to this special way of looking at things :)

    It’s not “not worrying about anything” it’s not worry about things over which you have no control. And yes it is such a cool feeling, especially when you learn to make the distinction.

  69. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    “As I understand it the Mariners viewed Montero getting hit with the foul ball as a good and bad thing. The bad was that he got hit with the foul ball – the good was that he kept the ball in front of him.”

    at least, he doesn’t need a cut off to second base like cervelli does .

  70. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    - Y’s -
    I believe Yahoo Only qualified Montero as “Utility”. You still gonna go with him???

  71. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I think the ‘worrying’ talked about on the blog gets a little tired.

    Is anyone here really worried about the Yankees like they are the main concern of your entire life? I’ve been accused of ‘worrying’ and ‘wringing my hands’ or ‘pulling my hair out’ over the budget.. I can assure you all I do no such things lol.

  72. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    ““As I understand it the Mariners viewed Montero getting hit with the foul ball as a good and bad thing. The bad was that he got hit with the foul ball – the good was that he kept the ball in front of him.””

    —————————————————-

    “Mariners manager Eric Wedge wasn’t in a mood to coddle Montero afterward, saying rather curtly, “He’s OK, he’s fine.” Wedge made it clear Montero hadn’t suffered a concussion, and his reaction to the catcher leaving the game bordered on annoyance.

    “He got hit in the same place twice, so after the second one, we got him out of there,” Wedge said. “I’ve been back there. You get hit like that. It’s just unusual to have it happen two times in a row.”?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....rez_030212

  73. Doc Iac March 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    pete blocked me on twitter cause i called him a fat slob…

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “Is anyone here really worried about the Yankees like they are the main concern of your entire life? ”

    Ever posted here during games? If you have then you’ve answered your own question.

  75. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Tom -

    Yeah but like I said, at least Montero kept the ball in-front of him.

  76. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I actually liked Montero as a Yankee prospect – the unmitigated hatred towards Pineda and this trade have actually made me root against Montero out of spite.

    ——————————

    No one hates Pineda.

  77. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    donny, yes i will. he’s currently way up around #200. once i get past filling my starters and a couple of relievers (say around the 16th, 17th round) im not worried about positions, i’m just looking to find the break out guy that’s gonna make my roster strong. there will be plenty of nobodies like you find around #200 left after the draft if you have a spot that isnt well covered.

    btw, johan santana is going around #250. certainly worth a flier, he won’t be the johan of old, but he’s gonna be better than 25 pitchers ahead of him on the list. (there’s a ton of good met’s talent late in the draft)

  78. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Alex Rodriguez, trend setter. ;)

    MarcCarig Why CC Sabathia has started bringing his own food to work. http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....bathi.html

  79. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Randy,

    Again – guys like you keep talking about Montero like he’s going to be an all time great and then when he’s criticized for his short comings you either:

    a) point to him being young
    b) compare him to bad players and say “well at least he’s better than that guy”

    You can’t keep moving the bar (well you can, it just makes you sound foolish)

    If Montero is the second coming of Miguel Cabrera then his youth shouldn’t be an excuse for the fact that he’s been just average in AAA.

    If Montero’s the next Mike Piazza then saying “well he’s better than Cervelli” isn’t good enough.

  80. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Is anyone here really worried about the Yankees like they are the main concern of your entire life?

    *******************

    Sometimes I honestly wonder.

  81. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I actually liked Montero as a Yankee prospect – the unmitigated hatred towards Pineda and this trade have actually made me root against Montero out of spite.

    ——————————

    No one hates Pineda.
    ————–

    Read Randy’s posts and tell me that again with a straight face.

  82. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    It is a good thing Posada came up when he did. He would have been shipped out just like Montero was because of his “defense”

  83. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    i like pineda just fine.

    he seems like a nice coachable kid.

    what i don’t like is pollyanna-ish approaches to turning him into a number two starter.

    the yankees have done nothing to show they are serious about pineda developing a plus change up.

    oh, i know, thurman martin gushed about micheal’s change up.

    maybe he’s right.

    he still needs to throw it more than a couple of times to see if it “works”.

    i’m going to remember that girardi “see if it works” quote for a while.

    i’ll be asking, “is it working yet joe?”

  84. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The guy hasn’t even thrown a pitch in a spring training game yet and already the Yankees have done nothing about developing his change.

  85. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Kuroda is the #2, Pineda doesn’t need to be the #2 until next year.

    Which he will be.

  86. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Therein lies the rub. There’s a pollyanna-ish approach towards Montero too. Heck people get insulted when Montero’s compared to Carlos Lee, a player who has hit 350 home runs in the Majors.

  87. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Kuroda is the #2, Pineda doesn’t need to be the #2 until next year.

    Which he will be.

    ————————————————————–

    Based on what?

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “the yankees have done nothing to show they are serious about pineda developing a plus change up.”

    And that was randy, reporting from inside the clubhouse at ST, where he went after sitting through all coaches meetings concerning Pineda.

    Because he knows what the Yankees are doing at all times.

    P.S. If they have done nothing, I trust it’s the right way to go since I trust the judgment of the Yankees over the judgment of randy 24-7, 365 a year.

  89. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “Is anyone here really worried about the Yankees like they are the main concern of your entire life? ”

    Ever posted here during games? If you have then you’ve answered your own question.
    ————–

    Lol, so true.

    But my general point is that while the Yankees play a pretty integral part of my life, sometimes going so far as deciding my mood on a daily basis (depending on whether or not they won the night before), but I don’t sit around obsessing over the Yankees. I probably obsess more when the games aren’t on.

    When the game of baseball is being played, however, everything else is just noise because baseball is a beautiful f*cking thing.

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    And let me add I trust the judgment of the Yankees over anyone posting here, including me.

  91. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “at least, he doesn’t need a cut off to second base like cervelli does .”

    No, just a sun dial to time his release….

    Hey, this is fun!

  92. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I actually liked Montero as a Yankee prospect – the unmitigated hatred towards Pineda and this trade have actually made me root against Montero out of spite.

    ——————————

    No one hates Pineda.
    ————–

    Read Randy’s posts and tell me that again with a straight face.

    ———–

    I seriously don’t think he hates him. He may go overboard with his critique but I don’t think it’s hate.

  93. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “Read Randy’s posts and tell me that again with a straight face.”

    chip-

    you seem to have comprehension problems.

    i don’t hate pineda.

    i hate false hopes without paying the price to get somewhere.

    pineda is a project.

    the kid needs help.

    if he rolls out a first few months with the yankees like he did in the last half of last year with seattle things could go down hill for him in a hurry for him.

    i’m saying take care of the kid and don’t throw him to the wolves.

    ironically the people who are saying they like him are maybe picking the worst possible thing for the kid in wanting to just throw him in there to sink or swim.

    i’m not criticizing pineda.

    i’m criticizing the yankees throwing him in there to learn and win at the same time.

  94. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “Based on what?”

    The whole package. That, and my unerring future sight…

  95. blake March 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I didn’t start posting here really until Pete left…..I read the site for awhile before that but really had no desire to get into arguments about the Yankees with a Red Sox fan. Pete was funny….and seemed to get some inside info…..but he trolled his own blog.

  96. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    btw – Montero DH’s yesterday, went 1-3 with a double.

    He appears to be fine.

  97. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “Based on what?”

    The whole package. That, and my unerring future sight…

    ———————————————–

    Coming to your first camp with a new team overweight is not a good sign

  98. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “Read Randy’s posts and tell me that again with a straight face.”

    chip-

    you seem to have comprehension problems.

    i don’t hate pineda.

    i hate false hopes without paying the price to get somewhere.

    pineda is a project.

    the kid needs help.

    if he rolls out a first few months with the yankees like he did in the last half of last year with seattle things could go down hill for him in a hurry for him.

    i’m saying take care of the kid and don’t throw him to the wolves.

    ironically the people who are saying they like him are maybe picking the worst possible thing for the kid in wanting to just throw him in there to sink or swim.

    i’m not criticizing pineda.

    i’m criticizing the yankees throwing him in there to learn and win at the same time.
    —————–

    So the fans who believe Pineda can be at least a #2 are wrong but Montero’s going to be one of the best hitters in the history of the game?

    Hypocrisy

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Shame, I fully understand how love of the Yanks can actually affect one’s moods. Mine don’t go on a daily basis of winning or losing but I feel much happier when they beat the Sux than when they don’t. So I know what you mean.

    Some people do treat it as a matter of life or death, at least their posts would seem to indicate that. Such stridence when the Yankees fail them.

    :roll:

    “When the game of baseball is being played, however, everything else is just noise because baseball is a beautiful f*cking thing.”

    Oh yeah!

  100. Stoneburner March 5th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    I actually liked Montero as a Yankee prospect – the unmitigated hatred towards Pineda and this trade have actually made me root against Montero out of spite.

    *********

    I do not root against Montero – BUT I do and will wage a blogger battle against all the prospect huggers who lashed out in January and continue to do so with their generational talk and canceling season tickets.

  101. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    - Y’s-
    Been using my 1 “Flyer” on Josh Johnson in the Mocks. I believe he goes today.

  102. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Therein lies the rub. There’s a pollyanna-ish approach towards Montero too. Heck people get insulted when Montero’s compared to Carlos Lee, a player who has hit 350 home runs in the Majors.
    —————-

    Well put.

  103. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Stoneburner -

    At this point I’m actively hoping that Montero makes Jeff Clement look good.

  104. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “No, just a sun dial to time his release….

    Hey, this is fun!”

    stuckey-

    it is fun isn’t it.

    try the screwdriver to the prefrontal cortex for worry free yankee viewing too.

    ever since i did, “pollyanna” has become my favorite movie :)

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    I think the randy doth protest too much.

    Worry away. Just don’t bog down the forum with it. Take it out on the Sux fans around you. They deserve it more.

  106. blake March 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Montero for Pineda is equal value…..the issue to me remains this false and outdated idea that hitting is easier to find than pitching. Its just not true anymore…..37 year old DH bats are easy to find…..young position players who are good are not.

  107. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “Pete was funny….and seemed to get some inside info…..but he trolled his own blog.”

    LOL, too true blake. We must’ve started posting around the same time, it took me a while to decide to jump in the fray on here after starting to read the comments section more often.

  108. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “i’m criticizing the yankees throwing him in there to learn and win at the same time.”

    No one has comprehension problems Randy, you have problems being honest with yourself.

    Yes, you’re criticizing the Yankees handling of him. This is your roundabout way of making the case (again, and again, and again) that the Yankees traded Montero for “in progress” starter who has development left before becoming a #1b or a #2 starter, and because you have no confidence in the Yankees to develop him properly, this makes the trade that much more questionable in your eyes.

    Seriously dude, do you even realize you come with subtitles?

    That said, this morning you seem to be now fixating on a one sentence comment by Girardi to the press about today’s start.

    Exactly what one sentence should have Girardi offered?

  109. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Is Fred McGriff the best prospect the Yankees ever traded? He hit 493 Home Runs…

    If he’d played his entire career with the Yankees, with his power, in Yankee Stadium, he’d be a HoF’er.

  110. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    This is a good Phils lineup they are throwing out there today. It should be interesting, but the absence of a radar gun is will be disappointing.

  111. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I do not root against Montero – BUT I do and will wage a blogger battle against all the prospect huggers who lashed out in January and continue to do so with their generational talk and canceling season tickets.

    ———

    A blogger battle? Seriously?

  112. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Pistols at Dawn!

  113. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “I think the randy doth protest too much.”

    trisha-

    if i wanted to be a know it all, i wouldn’t have been a bullpen catcher.

    i would have gone to law school .

    everyone knows they know everything about everything :)

  114. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “37 year old DH bats are easy to find…..young position players who are good are not.”

    If only Montero was a position player.

  115. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    donny, mdc’s adp has pineda at 98, johnson at 100 and wainwright at 107. at that spot im looking at wainwright first, pineda 2nd and johnson 3rd because of his shoulder, but i’ll be happy with whichever i end up with there.

  116. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    If only Montero was a position player.

    ———————————————

    M’s seem to think so

  117. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    donny, mdc’s adp has pineda at 98, johnson at 100 and wainwright at 107. at that spot im looking at wainwright first, pineda 2nd and johnson 3rd because of his shoulder, but i’ll be happy with whichever i end up with there.

    ————————————————————————

    I’d take Matt Moore over all of them at that spot

  118. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “M’s seem to think so”

    Wait and see how often he’s behind the plate this year.

  119. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I do not root against Montero – BUT I do and will wage a blogger battle against all the prospect huggers who lashed out in January and continue to do so with their generational talk and canceling season tickets.

    ———

    A blogger battle? Seriously?

    ———————-

    This is where all of my research will show its fruits… after this morning, I can now effectively harness the power of the centaur.

  120. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “M’s seem to think so”

    Wait and see how often he’s behind the plate this year.

    ——————————————————

    They said they wouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t view him as a catcher

  121. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    If only Montero was a position player.

    ———————————————

    M’s seem to think so
    ——————-

    M’s are praying that they’re right. Much the same way Cashman said that if Pineda doesn’t develop into a top of the rotation pitcher this is a bad trade for him, Jack Z is thinking that if Montero doesn’t develop into an All-Star catcher then this is a bad trade for him

    That’s what makes it a fair trade – both teams are taking a risk.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    LGY – Linsanity really turned into Linsinity yesterday. Do you think it’s because he was in beantown playing in front of his Harvard coach? They said yesterday it apppeared he was pressing.

  123. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I still wanna know what you guys think Arod’s centaur name is… I still say Blaise.

    I think Robbie is Firenze.

  124. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “They said they wouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t view him as a catcher”

    They may view him as a catcher, but will they play him there? Let’s wait and see.

  125. blake March 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “If only Montero was a position player.”

    He plays the same position as Miguel Cabrera and Manny Ramirez……masher

  126. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Trisha, aren’t you glad Randy does acknowledge that we in our professions know everything? I was afraid someone would dispute it. :)

  127. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    moore (103) is really good there, too, as is gonzalez at 108. all that talent right there makes me think the best play is to choose another position there and take whichever one falls in the next round.

  128. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “LGY – Linsanity really turned into Linsinity yesterday. Do you think it’s because he was in beantown playing in front of his Harvard coach? They said yesterday it apppeared he was pressing.”

    Lin has played all of 20 NBA games, going against one of the very best PGs in the business. Give him a little time to learn.

  129. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “M’s seem to think so”

    Wait and see how often he’s behind the plate this year.

    ——————————————————

    They said they wouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t view him as a catcher
    ————–

    Even if Montero is the worst catcher in the league the Mariners have to leave him back there or else they traded their young, inexpensive, high end pitcher for a DH.

    It’s a double whammy for Jack who could have had Montero (and other prospects) for a guy he couldn’t re-sign in the first place 2 years ago and entered this year with Montero and Pineda. Instead he traded Lee for Smoak who has been disappointing and now had to deal the second best pitcher in his organization to just get Montero.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “They said they wouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t view him as a catcher”

    If they had a Romine sitting in the wings, with a Russell Martin already in place, maybe they wouldn’t have traded for him? Or looking at it another way, they might have been willing to deal with any catching deficiencies they identified because they needed his bat. Not a question that the Mariners lost a lot of late-inning games where they had the lead due to lack of hitting.

    So Seattle felt they needed his bat more than the Yankees felt they needed his bat.

    Just throwing out possibilities.

  131. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “He plays the same position as Miguel Cabrera and Manny Ramirez……masher”

    Cabrera and Ramirez actually had positions. And let’s wait at least 100 ABs before elevating Montero to Cabrera/Ramirez status, OK? :)

  132. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    LGY – Linsanity really turned into Linsinity yesterday. Do you think it’s because he was in beantown playing in front of his Harvard coach? They said yesterday it apppeared he was pressing.

    ——–

    I just think he had a bad game. My opinion it was mainly because he was in early foul trouble so he couldn’t find a rhythm and he couldn’t buy a call on his drives to the basket.

    At the same time he did score 5 gigantic points towards the end of the 4th quarter.

  133. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “They said they wouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t view him as a catcher”

    They may view him as a catcher, but will they play him there? Let’s wait and see.
    ————–

    If you can’t beat out Miguel Olivo you’re not a catcher.

  134. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    M’s are praying that they’re right. Much the same way Cashman said that if Pineda doesn’t develop into a top of the rotation pitcher this is a bad trade for him, Jack Z is thinking that if Montero doesn’t develop into an All-Star catcher then this is a bad trade for him

    That’s what makes it a fair trade – both teams are taking a risk.

    —————————————————————————————–

    Well I think the M’s made the trade for 2 reasons.

    1. They have Hultzen and Walker.
    2. They can’t seem to attract any free agent hitters there.

    But even if he doesn’t develop into a catcher he is still going to be very valuable. He wouldn’t have been rated top 5 on minor league lists without a position per say.

    If he Montero can’t stick at catcher and Pineda doesn’t develop a third pitch the M’s still win the trade.

    Montero is going to put up very good offensive numbers. The same can’t be said for Pineda and his pitching

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “Trisha, aren’t you glad Randy does acknowledge that we in our professions know everything? I was afraid someone would dispute it. :)

    :D

    Every once-in-a-while I claim to believe that the Yankees know more about baseball than I do, but of course I only do it for good measure!

    ;)

  136. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “If only Montero was a position player.”

    He plays the same position as Miguel Cabrera and Manny Ramirez……masher
    —————–

    If the Yankees saw that kind of potential in Montero they would have tried him out at other positions. Much like the Marlins and Tigers did with Cabrera and the Red Sox did with Manny.

  137. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Montero is going to put up very good offensive numbers. The same can’t be said for Pineda and his pitching
    ————————–

    Based on what? The incredibly average numbers Montero put up in two seasons of AAA ball?

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “At the same time he did score 5 gigantic points towards the end of the 4th quarter.”

    That three-pointer was amazing. He’s definitely not afraid of pressure, and he has good instincts. And if he was pressing a little being in front of a beantown crowd, that’s totally understandable.

    Wave – you’re right. I’m still in his corner. I was just wondering with basketball guys here were thinking about it. (austinmac – once again pretending I don’t know it all…)

    :lol:

  139. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The main reason the Knicks lost yesterday is because Doc Rivers makes adjustments at halftime and has the Celtics come out firing after halftime everytime they play the Knicks.

    An article I read today said the Celtics have outscored the Knicks by 77 points in the second half since the start of 2010.

    Yet, according to Amare they were “caught off guard.”

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    The other thing is HORRIFIC officiating. What’s up with that? NBA officials more blind than baseball umps? I had DVRd the second half of the game because I had to go out so didn’t get to watch it until later last night. I was amazed at the number of fouls that weren’t called!

  141. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Gotta love Angel Pagan’s honesty – Yesterday afternoon’s Giants-Diamondbacks game was delayed for 41 minutes when a swarm of bees made its way into right field.

    Pagan’s quote: “I was right next to the bathroom in case I had to lock myself in.”

  142. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “P.S. If they have done nothing, I trust it’s the right way to go since I trust the judgment of the Yankees over the judgment of randy 24-7, 365 a year.”

    trisha-

    you voting in next year’s presidential election or are you just going to be a sheep and follow whoever is elected?

    this by the way is not a political question intended to create political comments, but rather a comment about blind brain dead trust of people in authority.

    i think individuals need to think for themselves.

    when have i been on a crusade like this?

    how about wang?

    how’d that turn out?

    how about hughes?

    how’d that turn out?

    how about joba”?

    how’d that turn out?

    i mostly watch most yankee things like sabathia, gardner, teixeira, granderson, etc without saying much, but when i see something that jumps out at me i tend to be right.

    i have a really bad feeling about what the yankees are planning with pineda from what i’ve seen and heard from them about him.

    there is no doubt he’s being rushed.

    it’s really that simple.

    the safe thing to do with no downside is to have him learn the change up at scranton.

    but they’re not doing that.

    that’s on the yankees, not pineda.

  143. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    The main reason the Knicks lost last night was because they are a .500 team destined to stay that way for the duration of the season :P

  144. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I’m perfectly okay with the trade and an outspoken skeptic of anyone who has Montero ticketed tot he HoF already.

    That’s said, I’m an equal-opportunity critic.

    I understand people will be rooting against Montero and various reasons why.

    But it’s incredibly immature, any way you slice it.

  145. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Sorry Knicks fans, knocking your team is the only way to distract from the Montero/Pineda debate which is slowly simmering…

    If more of you would play ‘Name that Centaur’ with me we wouldn’t have this problem..

  146. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “The incredibly average numbers Montero put up in two seasons of AAA ball?”

    hahahahahhahahahahahhahaha

  147. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Montero is gone, so it’s silly to root against him except when the M’s play the Yanks.

  148. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “The incredibly average numbers Montero put up in two seasons of AAA ball?”

    hahahahahhahahahahahhahaha
    ——————

    You find his numbers to be something other than average?

  149. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Montero is gone, so it’s silly to root against him except when the M’s play the Yanks.
    ——————

    Indeed – but I am a spiteful man.

  150. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    You find his numbers to be something other than average?

    ————————————————–

    Did you think he was average when he got called up?

  151. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “Indeed – but I am a spiteful man.”

    Ahh. I’ll keep that in mind. :)

  152. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “the safe thing to do with no downside is to have him learn the change up at scranton.”

    Adam Warren, David Phelps, DJ Mitchell, Manny Banuelos, and Delin Betances are all in ML camp and pitching.

    Even if Pineda was going to start the season in AAA, he wouldn’t be doing much more than he is right now, pitching in the ML camp.

    Again, your logic betrays your pretenses as false and transparent.

    There is no reason to punch is ticket to AAA on March 5. That option will be open to the Yankees 4 or 5 spring starts from now.

    Your argument is at best premature.

  153. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    You find his numbers to be something other than average?

    ————————————————–

    Did you think he was average when he got called up?
    ————————–

    I was skeptical for two reasons:

    1. The Yankees gave more time behind the plate to Austin Romine than they did Montero
    2. Montero’s not the first player I’ve seen excel with the bat during a September call-up (Shane Spenser)

  154. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Pineda may not even need to be pitching in our #3 slot right now.. hopefully our guys can give him enough run support so he can work on some of these things at the MLB level.

  155. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Shane Spencer.. a gentleman and a scholar.

  156. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Montero’s not the first player I’ve seen excel with the bat during a September call-up (Shane Spenser)

    ————————————————————————

    You can’t really compare the 2 can you?

    Look and Montero’s bat speed compared to him. It is almost impossible to pick a location to get Montero out. His plate coverage was incredible and then you have their ages when they were called up

  157. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    im not a montero doubter, but if you could trust montero’s miniscule mlb sample size, then kevin maas’ hall of fame career should be coming to an end right about now.

  158. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    “this by the way is not a political question intended to create political comments, but rather a comment about blind brain dead trust of people in authority.”

    Something I hardly have. But I do have it over my trust in anyone here, when it comes to the Yankees. I think that’s probably a comment on intelligent thinking more than blind brain dead trust.

    I have to laugh though since I’ve been criticized more here for NOT towing the party line – the lohud party line that is – on things about the game.

    Since I have no more idea than you do what the Yankees intend to do with Pineda, I intend to just wait and watch. I STATED IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRADE that I wished they would send him to AAA just so that he could get rest on his arm, seeing he was rushed up by the Mariners.

    So don’t feel you invented the idea.

    That said, I will always subvert my judgement to theirs because they know more about putting a winning team on the field than I do. And even though you are loathe to admit it, than you do. I wasn’t a fan of having Hughes or Joba rushed up, no more than I’m a fan of having the Bs rushed up – a la the lohud faction who have said we didn’t need Pineda because the Bs were there. The Bs are apparently not ready, so they should not be rushed.

    Maybe the difference is that once I’ve spoken my peace, I don’t feel the need to go on ad nauseum. Since I don’t control the game, if something happens counter to my thinking (like Javy Vazquez coming back a second time), I fall in line, hope for the best, and root my soul out for the Yankee team on the field. I call that being a good and rational fan. And feel free to check my posts on Vazquez coming back. I was dead set against it.

    So much for “blind brain dead trust for people in authority.”

  159. Benny Blanco March 5th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    The curious case of Michael Pineda:

    Let the over-analyization of two innings begin. His use of the change-up will analyzed to death/resurrected the back to death.

  160. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Maas was 25 when he got called up

  161. Benny Blanco March 5th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    *then*

  162. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    benny…only for some. as for me, i dont care if he throws no changeups or gives up 7 homers on it. it’s the first week of march.

  163. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Montero’s not the first player I’ve seen excel with the bat during a September call-up (Shane Spenser)

    ————————————————————————

    You can’t really compare the 2 can you?

    Look and Montero’s bat speed compared to him. It is almost impossible to pick a location to get Montero out. His plate coverage was incredible and then you have their ages when they were called up
    ———————————-

    Do I believe Montero will likely be better than Spencer – yes. But I’m not going gaga over Montero being effective for 69 at bats in September.

    If Montero is the next Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols then he should have been obliterating AAA. He should have been able to force his way to the majors with his performance, not just earn a September callup because of an injury to Francisco Cervelli.

  164. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Three dumbest things ever said by baseball fans in early March:

    1.) “…it’s a bad sign…”

    2.) “…it’s a good sign…”

    3.) either of the above.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    I also thought that David Cone’s ass should have been yanked off the field the season he threw his no hitter but then couldn’t pitch any more! And anyone on the Times forum can tell you that I championed that and was ecstatic when the Boss finally gave the order to send him to Tampa.

    So much for “blind brain dead trust for people in authority.”

  166. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “There is no reason to punch is ticket to AAA on March 5. That option will be open to the Yankees 4 or 5 spring starts from now.”

    let’s see to see if when girardi plugs in pineda if “it works”.

    hahahhahahhahahhahhahahhahahahahha

    just love that” see if it works” line :)

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “as for me, i dont care if he throws no changeups or gives up 7 homers on it. it’s the first week of march.”

    DITTO!

  168. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “I also thought that David Cone’s ass should have been yanked off the field the season he threw his no hitter but then couldn’t pitch any more! And anyone on the Times forum can tell you that I championed that ”

    trisha-

    thanks for sharing that. i didn’t know you were following the yankees that far back.

  169. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Randy, do you have ANY direct response to the gaping hole in your logic?

    Because whatever coded response that was wasn’t one.

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    randy – then it’s your selective reading of posts (or pretending not to know for the sake of trying a put down. Hmmm, I wonder which…) since I started watching the Yankees when I was all of 5 years old and I’m over 17.

    But thanks for playing – or trying to play.

  171. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    If Montero is the next Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols then he should have been obliterating AAA. He should have been able to force his way to the majors with his performance, not just earn a September callup because of an injury to Francisco Cervelli.

    ———

    Cabrera “forced” his way to the majors with 303 PAs of 1+ OPS as a 20 year old in AA.

    Montero killed A+ and AA as a 19 year old.

    Players can’t force their way to the majors unless their team is willing to let them.

  172. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Anyone else think it’s pretty cool that MLB has devoted its first three broadcasts to the Yanks?

  173. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    “Players can’t force their way to the majors unless their team is willing to let them.”

    Is this an extension of the “bored in AAA” argument?

    Yankees weren’t aggressive with him early as other teams were with similar young players, so therefore his less impressive AAA numbers are understandable?

  174. luis March 5th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Hi guys,

    I just opened the thread and you are back at it….i am a prospect hugger, i love to root for the inhouse guy. I didn´t like the trade for several reasons, but please let´s move on.

    it´s time to watch Pineda without a biased preconceptions, let´s give the kid the benefit of the doubt. let´s root for him, he is a Yankee now.

    For those that liked the trade, if he faulters and struggles and some of the posters make an observation about it, please stop the sanctimoniuos comments about hating Pineda or not being a yankee fan or a that you are a prospect hugger. There is something called valid criticisism.

    Hating montero as well is bad… doing that is as bad as hating Pineda, and you take a hit on your credibility.

    end of rant

  175. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “Players can’t force their way to the majors unless their team is willing to let them.”

    lgy is right.

    the yankees are different than any other team.

    players are not given the luxury of learning on the job. they have to get good fast.

    very few make it through the gauntlet when they are brought up too soon.

    last year i didn’t want monero up for the first few months for that very reason. but i never thought the yankees would bury him till september.

  176. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Reggie Jackson’s centaur name = Paleas
    David Wells’ centaur name = Adipem
    Shane Spencer’s centaur name = Seamus
    Derek Jeter’s centaur name = Derek Jeter.

  177. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “Anyone else think it’s pretty cool that MLB has devoted its first three broadcasts to the Yanks?”

    i think it’s cool you’re a new knicks/linsanity fan.

  178. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “It is almost impossible to pick a location to get Montero out.”

    In two years in AAA he struck out 189 times in 967 plate appearances, so it must be a little short of impossible.

  179. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    since his name has come up so often today i went to wiki to see if they had any info on the current whereabouts of our boy, shane spencer:

    “After his playing career ended, Spencer’s career turned to coaching, and he has served as the hitting coach for the Lake Elsinore Storm, the Single-A affiliate of the San Diego Padres since 2008″

  180. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “last year i didn’t want monero up for the first few months for that very reason. but i never thought the yankees would bury him till september”

    Saying that the Yankees buried him is a strong statement. Other than Montero’s hot start which ironically coincided with Martin’s hot start … What justifiable reason would the yankees have had to bring him up before the second half ?

  181. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    luis – I’m in good shape because I’m kind of where blake is with the trade with an exception. I think it was a fair trade, but I do believe hitters are easier to get than pitchers are.

    I am rooting like crazy for Montero to do well because I believe he’s the real deal.

    I’m rooting like crazy for Pineda to do well because I believe he’s the real deal.

    But I have no desire to try to punch holes in either of their games in order to assuage some crazy need to be right.

    My take is that we can’t know what Montero woud have done here, nor can we know what Pineda would have done in Seattle, so all we really have in front of us is the future.

    I would hope that all Yankee fans would be rooting for Pineda and wouldn’t feel the need to be overly critical of Pineda, as we all know he’ll continue to be a work in progress, seeing he’s only 22. Same with Montero. He’ll continue to be a work in progress. Being overly critical of either player at the beginning of the season to me shows a lack of baseball intelligence, rather than the opposite.

    JMO

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    “i think it’s cool you’re a new knicks/linsanity fan.”

    Better late than never. And I owe it all to my hatred of the Celtsux, just as I owe my allegiance to the Jets, Giants, Colts, Ravens, et al to my hatred of the Pats.

  183. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Chip & trisha – As much as it may not be the case for you guys… I still come here first for Yankee news, and for the commentary second. Chad does a good enough of a job reporting on the regular stuff that goes on, but I can read about that stuff anywhere. I started coming here because of the exclusive content the blog provided. That exclusive content has all but dried up under Chad’s rule.

    It’s his choice how to run the blog, he is just not giving me a reason to keep coming here. If it wasn’t for the comment section, this place would already have found it’s way off of my rss feed. He also leaves threads up for too long, and then posts like 5 things in a row which is maddening.

  184. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Let’s also not make it sound like Montero’s first season in AAA was mediocre.

    He started off slow coming off a hand injury but finished the year with an 870 OPS as one of the youngest players in the league.

    He had a very

  185. jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I understand both sides of the argument. The trade is a risk for both teams..both players have their strengths and weakness

    Some here say that Pineda must go to AAA. The guy was an all star last year, until he shows that he cant get MLB players out he should stay at this level. He might not have a third pitch yet but his other two pitches are pretty darn good. This is were he would learn the most.
    Montero is bat ready for the majors there is no doubt about. He can possibly be a monster but he also has his weaknesses. He can work on his weaknesses while still mashing.

    I wish Montero was still on the team but watching Pineda is goin to be a lot of fun especially if he develops that third pitch…

  186. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Here come the Montero comps again smh

  187. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “He also leaves threads up for too long, and then posts like 5 things in a row which is maddening.”

    I’ve never been a fan of the “too many things in a row” lead-ins. That drove me crazy when Pete did it too. It also drives me crazy when posters post that yellow arrow. I understand they’re just trying to guide us to a new thread, but when you’re in the middle of a discussion, it tends to be a distraction.

    Nothing’s perfect, right?

  188. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    The Yankees did Montero a major disservice last season having him repeat a full year of AAA.

    A hitter of his caliber doing that is almost unheard of.

  189. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I wish Montero was still on the team but watching Pineda is goin to be a lot of fun especially if he develops that third pitch…

    ———————

    What happens if he doesn’t?

  190. upstate kate March 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    nicely said Trisha and Luis

    I don’t understand the comments that Pineda needs to learn the CU. Isn’t that a pitch he already has, just needs to refine?

  191. luis March 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Trisha,

    I know you are rooting real hard, and i love you for that :)….I won´t punch holes to be right either, that´s stupid…..But if i notice something good or bad, i´m going to say it not for the sake of being right or wrong, but for the sake of discussing it with my fellow posters, that´s part of the fun of the blogg….i am just tired of this back and forth that IMO is pointless because everybody is entrenched in their positions, and it´s getting nasty.

  192. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “What happens if he doesn’t?”

    the lohud baseball blog goes down to three people.

    everyone else will be in hiding.

  193. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    jr1212, I had only hoped Montero would go to AAA for the sake of resting his arm. I definitely am not saying he “must” go there, as some have, you’re right.

    I also said I hoped that the Yanks would give him the 5 spot in the rotation, only because it would kind of accomplish the same thing, not putting too much strain on his arm.

    Having said that, I at least think that there would be a faction on here who would hoot and holler if he went to AAA simply because they would feel that Montero shouldn’t have been traded for someone who wasn’t major-league ready, if you know what I mean.

    The Yankees are typically damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

    The saying that you can’t please everyone is shown here on a daily basis, and we all root for the same team! There is seldom universality in thought on any issue except that we all want the Yankees to win the World Series.

    :)

  194. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    “The Yankees did Montero a major disservice last season having him repeat a full year of AAA.

    A hitter of his caliber doing that is almost unheard of.”

    He didn’t repeat AAA because of his hitting.

  195. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “The Yankees did Montero a major disservice last season having him repeat a full year of AAA. ”

    They wanted him to catch.

  196. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Pineda does not need to go to AAA. If randy wants to argue that, fine, but we don’t need to drink the kool-aid.

  197. jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @ Against all Odds..What happens if Montero cant catch?…

  198. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “Isn’t that a pitch he already has, just needs to refine?”

    from all accounts at seattle i’ve read , his change up was mediocre at best.

    in his defense, i don’t think they encouraged him to throw it because i think they wanted to get as much out of his plus fast ball and plus slider going against a league seeing him for the first time to build up stats to flip him for a hitter.

    seattle knew they were deep in pitching.

    smart move on their part.

  199. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    luis – I never have any difficulty with posters who make benign comments or rather should I say observations on things that may not be working. And there are a lot of posters here who do that and post with class. There’s a huge difference between making an observation that someone’s pitches are high up and the zone and dancing all over that pitchers head and calling him garbage and then adding thee “I told you so” to the mix. Though someone certainly has the right to do that, I think it reflects extreme immaturity and shortsightedness on the part of the person so doing as the season is a marathon and not a sprint, and we have our fair number of posters who only seem to be able to post while looking under a microscope – not really the best gauge of a 162-game season. The macro perspective will always get you the best answers IMO.

    Again, there’s a vast difference between someone saying that a pitcher’s control is off on a given day and wanting to trade that pitcher if it happens two games in a row. I think you get my point.

  200. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    The trade filled needs of both teams. Seattle was last in scoring and the Yankees had no ready, high end propects who cold start this year.

    For anyone to project the careers of either with certainty tells me they don’t know much about baseball despite protestations otherwise. No player is a sure thing.

    Montero has had major issues with his catching as well as two years hitting at AAA that were not spectacular. I loved what I saw in his brief call-up, but if Pineda needs to do it again, Montero essentially needs to do it the first time.

    I hope they both do well, but as a Yankee fan, I now love Pineda.

    Why don’t we wait to see how it plays out. No one can say I told you so for a long time. Until then it is simply bluster.

  201. blake March 5th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I wasn’t saying that Montero will be Miggy or Manny necessarily ……just if he does then he doesn’t need a position defensively to be extremely valuable. Dominant starter and dominant hitter are the two most valuable things in baseball…..

  202. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Man, I hope #35 has 6 K’s today and all of them on Change Ups.

  203. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Wave, I don’t believe Pineda needs to go to AAA to learn anything. I would just like to see him not have to pitch as many innings just to help save his arm. That can be accomplished out of the 5 hole also.

    But I certainly am not going to go ballistic if he’s higher up in the rotation. Adust, adjust, adjust. Him AND us!

    :)

  204. blake March 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “Man, I hope #35 has 6 K’s today and all of them on Change Ups.”

    Then he sill be too “CU happy”

  205. luis March 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    upstate kate March 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    thank you for your kind comments….about Pineda´s CU apparently, it´s a work in progress…Comments from Seattle are that it is mediocre

  206. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “Why don’t we wait to see how it plays out. No one can say I told you so for a long time. Until then it is simply bluster.”

    POST OF THE DAY.

    Until then, it IS simply bluster.

  207. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    LGY, by focusing too closely on one part of the picture, you miss the bigger picture.

    1.) As has been mentioned here often, the Yankees rarely hand the reins of the everyday starting catching job to any rookie, much less on with defensive question marks.

    2.) Montero had defensive question marks in 2011.

    3.) Last spring the Yankees had a $14m, borderline HoF switch-hitter on their roster due to take a fair amount of AB’s at the DH.

    4.) Montero hit .206 last spring.

    5.) Montero started very slowly in 2010.

    6.) Yankees MAY have no wanted their top hitting prospect beginning the year getting infrequent AB’s as a back-up catcher of questionable abilit/occasional DH.

    The view he should have gone north with the Yankees in April 2011 is an argument in a vacuum.

    Its suggesting the Yankees should have plotted a course of action and followed it NO MATTER WHAT – no matter if they felt he was ready to be a ML catcher (even in back-up duty), no matter if his bat looked ready to go in April.

    I get the stance that maybe you had more faith than the Yankees did that he could fill that role and perform under those circumstances, but as we often point out, Yankees had WAY more information.

  208. jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    My position is that you cant point out one of the players weaknesses without stating the others.

  209. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    “The trial hasn’t even started yet, but Mets owner Fred Wilpon is already going to have to shell out as much as $83.3 million to the trustee recovering funds from the losers in Bernard Madoff’s Ponzi scheme.”

    The Mets are boned. Seriously, when does Selig take them over? It’s getting embarrassing for baseball.

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    I don’t hope for anything today other than when his stint is over, Pineda feels he got something out of the outing.

    I’m good to go no matter what. First games of spring training never give me the jitters or leave me all a-twitter. Just as players continue to be works in progress, so does ST continue to be a work in progress.

  211. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “Why don’t we wait to see how it plays out. No one can say I told you so for a long time. Until then it is simply bluster.”

    austin mac-

    so anyone who gets it right ahead of time will just be lucky?

    there is no such thing as some people making educated guesses about the future where they are right more than someone just flipping a coin ?

  212. luis March 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    very good post

  213. MaineYankee March 5th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    So the Yankees need to send Pineda to AAA to finish being a complete pitcher but they were supposed to bring up Montero even though he wasn’t complete as a catcher.

    Does that soud abot right?

  214. MaineYankee March 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Does that sound about right?

  215. Tom in N.J. March 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Montero and Pineda both reaching their potentials would be the worst thing for this blog. Everybody would be posting “I-Told-You-So’s”

  216. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    The Yankees did Montero a major disservice last season having him repeat a full year of AAA.

    A hitter of his caliber doing that is almost unheard of.
    ————————–

    A hitter of what caliber? His OPS last year was .814 – that’s nice but far from a level where the Yankees would’ve felt compelled to call his name.

    In their first full seasons Miguel Cabrera (21) hit .294 with 33 HR and 112 RBI
    Manny (23) went .308, 31, 107
    Pujols (21) went .329, 37, 130 with an OPS over 1.000
    Alex (20) went .358, 36, 123 also OPS over 1.000 and won the batting crown
    Piazza (24) went .318, 35, 112

    Let’s see Montero at least do that before we start comparing him to those guys

  217. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    The Mets are boned. Seriously, when does Selig take them over? It’s getting embarrassing for baseball.

    ——————————————————

    He won’t since him and Fred of buddies. So much for the best interests of baseball. Hey by the time Selig finally decides to leave we will have half the teams making the playoffs and still no resolutions for Tampa,A’s and the Mets.

  218. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “Does that soud abot right?”

    drop your iphone in the milk pail?

  219. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Personally I think there’s something a little twisted about the need to say “I told you so!” when it comes to predicting the demise of a Yankee player. And there are enough posters who believe in Montero that for someone to say “I told you so!” would do nothing more than come back with a huge echo of “Yeah and so did we!”

    Here’s the problem with I told you so. You can’t transfer play in Seattle to the Bronx, and vice versa. Because Montero shines in Seattle doesn’t mean he would have in the Bronx. And conversely because Montero fails in Seattle doesn’t mean he would have in the Bronx.

    That’s why I see it as an exercise in futility to look at trades with an eye on “I told you so.”

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “Montero and Pineda both reaching their potentials would be the worst thing for this blog. Everybody would be posting “I-Told-You-So’s””

    Tom, see my previous post.

  221. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    First of all, all this BS about Pineda is being beaten to death already.

    Is it not the PC that gives the game plan to his pitchers in ST?

    I trust Rothschild, and his knowledge of what his staff needs to work on, not the know it all’s on a blog.

    That’s all for me, enjoy the game.

  222. luis March 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Trish,

    I do get it!!…especially when the seaon starts!! ;)

  223. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    The way Montero sat on the bench in the playoffs told me all I needed to know about his prospects with the Yanks. Joe just refused to pinch hit for him while Munson and Swisher were flailing away at pitches

  224. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    pineda and montero have no effect on each other unless they are playing against each other.

    this is not a pineda/ montero battle.

    there is no such thing.

  225. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    “Does that sound about right?”

    You’ve hit the lohud nail on the head.

  226. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Big Al – with ya!

    Enjoy the game all.

    :)

  227. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    I agree – we won’t know how this trade played out for at least 3 or 4 years.

    If Montero is hitting .300 with 30 HRs a year but the Mariners are losing games not pitched by King Felix 7-5 was it a win for them?

    If Pineda is pitching to a sub 3 ERA but the Yankees aren’t able to score runs was it a win for them?

  228. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    A hitter of what caliber? His OPS last year was .814 – that’s nice but far from a level where the Yankees would’ve felt compelled to call his name.

    ——————-

    You’re not following the discussion. We are talking about before last season.

    A hitter of his caliber usually never sees AAA, let alone spends 2 years there.

  229. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “Personally I think there’s something a little twisted about the need to say “I told you so!”

    This.

  230. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    people here have to understand that pineda is a four or five starter in a few years if he doesn’t develop a change up.

    this spring training is crucial to him because it’s the last time for a while he’s going to have the luxuty to learn the pitch he needs to reach his ceiling.

    like it or not, its the story of the spring.

  231. MaineYankee March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    “Does that soud abot right?”

    drop your iphone in the milk pail?

    ———————————————-

    What’s an iphone? :D:

  232. m March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Who cares who’s right or wrong? It’s sports entertainment. Entertainment is supposed fun. Enjoy the show, guys.

  233. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Randy,

    No one can get it right until it occurs. Nothing has happened yet. Patience. If at the end of the year, Pineda is no good and Montero mashes, remind us of your omniscience. Until then, it is simply a forecast. You can be assured if it goes the other way, others shall have no problem reminding you either.

    I do suggest your statement the Yankees are swcrewing up Pineda’s development is a tad premature. Don’t you think? If you can tell us details of how they have or have not been working with him this spring, we will all be glade to hear it.

  234. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    “A hitter of his caliber usually never sees AAA, let alone spends 2 years there.”

    LGY, with all due respect, a hitter usually has a position.

  235. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    If Montero is hitting .300 with 30 HRs a year but the Mariners are losing games not pitched by King Felix 7-5 was it a win for them?

    —————————————————————-

    They will have Hultzen and Walker to win games. What young hitters do we have coming up? Bichette and Williams are years away

  236. mick March 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    so anyone who gets it right ahead of time will just be lucky?
    =============
    why the need to be a right fighter…sounds needy to me.

  237. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “why the need to be a right fighter…sounds needy to me.”

    That.

  238. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    “A hitter of his caliber usually never sees AAA, let alone spends 2 years there.”

    What role did you want a hitter of his caliber playing?

    Back-up catcher?

    Did you want Posada being given his unconditional release so he could DH and lose a year of catching development?

  239. RadioKev March 5th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    This argument is so tired. Let’s play ball all ready.

  240. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    A hitter of what caliber? His OPS last year was .814 – that’s nice but far from a level where the Yankees would’ve felt compelled to call his name.

    ——————-

    You’re not following the discussion. We are talking about before last season.

    A hitter of his caliber usually never sees AAA, let alone spends 2 years there.
    ———————

    LGY -

    Montero repeated AAA because his glove needed work and when Cervelli went down in spring training Montero did nothing to convince the Yankees that they needed to take him north.

    Once in AAA he didn’t do anything special. There were plenty of times during the season when the Yankees could have called him up, but Montero wasn’t giving them any reason to.

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