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Spring training Game 4: Yankees at Phillies

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (2-0)
Brett Gardner LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Nick Swisher RF
Raul Ibanez DH
Eric Chavez 1B
Russell Martin C
Eduardo Nunez SS
Bill Hall 3B
Jayson Nix 2B

RHP Michael Pineda (9-10, 3.74 last season)
Pineda vs. Phillies

PHILLIES (0-2)
Jimmy Rollins SS
Placido Polanco 3B
Shane Victorino CF
Jim Thome DH
Hunter Pence RF
Ty Wigginton 1B
Domonic Brown LF
Brian Schneider C
Kevin Frandsen 2B

RHP Joe Blanton (1-2, 5.01 last season)
Blanton vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES Network

WEATHER: Temperatues in the low 70s with a little bit of wind blowing from left to right. Another nice day down here.

UMPIRES: HP Eric Cooper, 1B Tom Hallion, 2B Marty Foster, 3B Dan Iassogna

PHILLIES PEN: After Blanton, RHP Scott Elarton, RHP Austin Hyatt, RHP Brian Sanches and RHP David Herndon are scheduled to pitch for the Phillies.

KEEP IT GOING: Zoilo Almonte is scheduled to play another game off the bench for the Yankees. Coming off a strong season that put him on the map and on the 40-man, Almonte is off to a fast start in spring training with a hit in every game. He’s slated for Double-A.

SECOND TIME FOR THE FIRST TIME: Alex Rodriguez homered in his first at-bat — on his first swing — yesterday in Tampa. According to the Yankees game notes, Rodriguez also homered in his first spring training at-bat in 2009, though he drew a walk in his first plate appearance.

EARLY SWEEP: The Yankees have won two straight against the Phillies this spring. Today they’re going for a three-game sweep of the “series.”

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: A Nick Swisher single is stranded in the top of the first. Now Pineda is on the mound. He seriously looks huge out there. It’s impossible to not notice it. He’s just a big, big man.

UPDATE, 1:18 p.m.: Jimmy Rollins leads off with a single up the middle.

UPDATE, 1:21 p.m.: Surprised the Yankees didn’t get the call there. Looked like a 4-6-3 double play, but the runner was called safe at second. Jayson Nix did a nice job starting it with a little shovel toss to Nunez.

UPDATE, 1:23 p.m.: With no radar gun and a bit of a strange angle in the press box it’s hard to tell changeups for certain, but I think Pineda just threw one to Victorino, then followed it with a fastball that clearly had Victorino’s timing thrown off. He finished off the at-bat with a strikeout.

UPDATE, 1:26 p.m.: Pineda strikes out Thome to end the first inning with Rollins stranded. Felt like he got four outs that inning with the double play ball.

UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: There’s a quick, efficient inning for Pineda. He got some bad swings from Hunter Pence and Ty Wigginton before Domonic Brown lined out to end the inning. If you were expecting a big guy who can throw a fastball pretty hard, then Pineda met expectations in his debut.

UPDATE, 1:48 p.m.: Dave Robertson jogs to the mound carrying a jacket, which is handed off first to Russell Martin and then to a bat boy to be taken to the bullpen. This is the kind of thing you see in spring training that you never see in the regular season. By the way, Pineda threw 30 pitches, 19 strikes.

UPDATE, 1:57 p.m.: I’m 0-2 on calls at second base today. I thought Martin had Rolling thrown out on a stolen base attempt, but he was called safe. Robertson now pitching with two outs and a runner at second in the third.

UPDATE, 2:00 p.m.: And an RBI single by Polanco puts the Phillies in front 1-0.

UPDATE, 2:08 p.m.: Chavez goes down swinging and it’s still 1-0 after three and a half innings.

UPDATE, 2:15 p.m.: Jim Thome’s a great hitter, but if you’re Cesar Cabral — trying to make the roster as a Rule 5 lefty specialist — Thome’s a guy you need to get out. Instead, Thome crushed a double.

UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: Scoreless inning for Cabral, but not necessarily a good inning. One hit batter and several balls hit really, really hard.

UPDATE, 2:27 p.m.: Not good. Eduardo Nunez was just hit by a pitch in the right hand — maybe the wrist — and has been pulled from the game for Ramiro Pena.

UPDATE, 2:30 p.m.: Jayson Nix hits a sacrifice fly to tie the game in the fifth, but the status of Nunez is suddenly the most pressing issue for the Yankees today.

UPDATE, 2:40 p.m.: They’re calling it a right hand contusion for Nunez.

UPDATE, 3:25 p.m.: Just got back to the press box from the clubhouse. Nunez can move his hand and said he doesn’t think it’s broken. He was hit in the back of the hand and is going for x-rays right now. Pineda was asked whether he was nervous, and he laughed. “Hell no,” he said.

 
 

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380 Responses to “Spring training Game 4: Yankees at Phillies”

  1. Hassey March 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    HOPE Week this year should include an event for obese children, led by CC, Joba and now we know Pineda

  2. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    si.com is reporting that judge rakoff has ruled that 1) fred owes the madoff trustee 83m, and 2) the trial march 19 for an additional 300m is on.

    so?..that?s 83m, plus the 25m owed to mlb, plus the 40m bridge loan plus interest to bank of america?..that?s 148m??and, if i recall correctly they owe a 20m payment on citifield?s bonds?..that?s 168m?..

    looks like most of that 200m influx from selling shares in the team is going to be eaten up right off the top??.then, if they lose the trial, that?s another 300m??plus operating losses from the team this year?..they lost 70m last year, by the way?..

    fred is whistling in the cemetery if he thinks he?s going to retain ownership of the team longterm. there?s no way any rational person can see him and his family retaining ownership.

  3. jacksquat March 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Same lineup as spring training game 1 (this is game 3, not game 4; vs florida was an exhibition). Girardi already in a rut. ;)

  4. Mike Ri March 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Give me hell Pineda !!! GO YANKS !

  5. mick March 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Oh Say Can You See…?

  6. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Go Pineda! Go Yanks!

  7. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “What happens if he doesn’t?”

    the lohud baseball blog goes down to three people.

    everyone else will be in hiding.

    ————————————–

    lol no it would be a lot of hey it takes time give him a break

  8. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Anyone without a picture on mlb-tv?

  9. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    hi Yankeefem!!,

    I am at the office, so i can´t watch, so some insights will be greatly appreciated!!

  10. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Joe -

    And if you look at the actual shares that were sold it gets even worse for the Mets.

    SNY bought 4 of the shares and 2 were sold to family members – meaning that the Mets basically couldn’t find anyone else to buy in and had to move money around from other accounts to make it work.

  11. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @ Against all Odds..What happens if Montero cant catch?…

    ——————–

    As long as he produces does it matter if he can’t catch. Let’s say he doesn’t become Albert or Manny but instead puts up 30 and 100 in regular yrs and 35-38 with 110-120 RBis in peaks yrs no one is going to care if he is not doing that behind the plate.

  12. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Where would you like to play Montero (if you had him)

    —————————————————————-

    So the reason why they traded him was because an aging past his prime player needs to DH?

    I honestly don’t believe that Montero will be any worse defensively then Piazza was.

    I also don’t believe Alex will be a full time DH next season. He still plays the position well

  13. Bronx Jeers March 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Pineda’s 1st pitch will be a fastball. :sad:

  14. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @ Against all Odds..What happens if Montero cant catch?…

    ——————–

    As long as he produces does it matter if he can’t catch. Let’s say he doesn’t become Albert or Manny but instead puts up 30 and 100 in regular yrs and 35-38 with 110-120 RBis in peaks yrs no one is going to care if he is not doing that behind the plate.

    =============

    His position is masher in chief…I still think he will catch

  15. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    the wilpons are betting the farm (team) on winning in that $300M lawsuit. I think they know they’re out if they lose, but if they win, they will be back in buisness. And this sham where they used thier own money to buy those shares is probably also to protect themselves in case they lose.

  16. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Where would you like to play Montero (if you had him)

    —————————————————————-

    So the reason why they traded him was because an aging past his prime player needs to DH?

    I honestly don’t believe that Montero will be any worse defensively then Piazza was.

    I also don’t believe Alex will be a full time DH next season. He still plays the position well
    ——————-

    No, the reason they traded Montero was to get Pineda.

    We’ll see – but lots of people seem to disagree with you on that one.

    Yes he does play the position well, but his health will require less time there.

    And I’m sure that the Yankees will augment their hitting as they go, likely via trade.

  17. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    chip – that’s absolutely right.

    who, in their right mind, would spend 20m for a glorified luxury box, and discounts on mets’ merchandise?

    oh, i forgot the reserved parking space…..and photos with mr. met.

  18. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    ys guy – i think that, even if they win the trial, that just delays the ultimate reckoning.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    listen carefully!

    luis and anyone else with access to a computer. You can get the game online. I am going to give you the link. What you have to do is shut down every ad that shows up once you hit play. The site will tell you you need to download things, etc., but you don’t. You need to be patient and continue to shut out anything that shows up except for the game. Eventually you will get the game!

    http://www.firstrowsports.eu/w.....-training-::-major-league-baseball-2012.html

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    IT’S OVAH!

    Pineda gave up a hit.

    (Pay no attention to today’s Yankee infield.)

    :)

  21. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    chip – that’s absolutely right.

    who, in their right mind, would spend 20m for a glorified luxury box, and discounts on mets’ merchandise?

    oh, i forgot the reserved parking space…..and photos with mr. met.
    ————————

    I loved Wilpon’s comment last week that the cutting of the payroll had nothing to do with any financial difficulties but was instead just a case of ownership being tired of spending big money on bad teams.

    Yeah…you didn’t offer Jose Reyes a contract because you think the team will be better without him…uh-huh.

  22. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    its the first week of march. head’s up behind first base and around the bullpens, ya got alot of rust to work off.

    its time to just watch and see what happens. there aren’t many questions to be answered this year, but one thing’s for sure, they won’t be answered the first week of March.

    its time to just enjoy the warm sunshine (on tv anyway), the crack of bat on ball and the sound of ball on windshield.

    answers don’t come for a long time, so I just enjoy.

  23. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    One more hit and the calls to DFA Pineda will begin.

    It’s the first start of the spring and, if you like Betances, you have to love Pineda, it’s pretty obvious he has much better command and consistency in his delivery just from watching the 1st two hitters.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Hey what happened to the neighborhood play?

  25. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    there?s no way any rational person can see him and his family retaining ownership.
    ——-
    Joe, rationally, I think it’s possible. The Mets just need to cut more expenses to stop the bleeding. Will it be a good situation for the team and its fans to have a cash strapped owner at the helm, prolly no, but fans has the options of not supporting the team as they demonstrated last year.

  26. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Thanks Trish!! it works!!!

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    luis – YAY!!!!!

    I am so happy you will get to see our guy up close and personal.

    :)

  28. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    Hey what happened to the neighborhood play?

    ——–

    No need for Marty Foster to even use that, because Nunez was on the bag and it should’ve been a DP.

  29. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    there was a pretty good off speed pitch for the K on Victorino…

  30. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I think he struck him out with a change up!

  31. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    if the wilpons clear the madoff lawsuit, money will become available to them. they may have to actually sell a chunk of the team or sny, but they will get through it and keep majority ownership.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Unknown – that too!

    :)

  33. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    That was some high heat for Thome!!

  34. Benny Blanco March 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Pineda seems ok to me.

  35. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Nice inning by #35. He is going to be a beast in the East this year.

  36. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    No radar gun but that was plus high heat to K Thome there…

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Just an objective and factual statement based on what I am seeing today, nothing more, nothing less, la de da, ho hum:

    I’M PSYCHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  38. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    No, the reason they traded Montero was to get Pineda.

    We’ll see – but lots of people seem to disagree with you on that one.

    Yes he does play the position well, but his health will require less time there.

    And I’m sure that the Yankees will augment their hitting as they go, likely via trade.

    ————————————————————————————-

    Hitters have become harder to get then Pitchers via trade.

  39. jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    @ Against all Odds

    You are giving the best case scenario for Montero hitting wise. My point is that why would anyone give the best case scenario for Montero then go and give the worst case for Pineda when giving their argument about the trade.

    Both players have great talent and need to improve their games to get the most of their talents.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    “Nice inning by #35. He is going to be a beast in the East this year.”

    Um, so I’m thinking as well…

    :D

  41. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    cashmoney – i know, there’s still a way for fred to maintain control. but, really, he’s hemorrhaging cash.

    yeah, he could still cut expenses more – remember, the recently retained a bankruptcy specialty firm to consult on expenses (i love that word “consult” – it such a better way of saying let’s get the books and papers ready to file in court to screw our vendors whom we owe great gobs of money).

    cut another minor league team, do away with the post game food spread….., fire some more office staff…..

    i’m just so down on their whole operation.

  42. Bronx Jeers March 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    He struck out 2 lefties?

    Good for him. Did he throw any CU’s ?

  43. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Not Yankee related but does anybody think Bauer breaks camp with the DBacks?

    he looked pretty sick over the weekend

  44. Chase March 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    He struck out Victorino with the Change, did he not?

    He looked good, even getting 4 outs. Still incredibly early, but Pineda is very easy to get excited about.

  45. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Bronx,

    I think he struck Victorino with one, but can´t be certain

  46. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    the Victorino K was a change in the dirt.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Jeers, in fact he did, not that it matters except to a few inpatient people. In fact I believe his first pitch of the game was a changeup.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “He looked good, even getting 4 outs. Still incredibly early, but Pineda is very easy to get excited about”

    Which is why as distraught as I was losing Montero, I was equally excited about getting Pineda. This is the Pineda I figured we’d be getting. As Unknown pointed out – he’s a beast.

    :)

  49. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    @ Against all Odds

    You are giving the best case scenario for Montero hitting wise. My point is that why would anyone give the best case scenario for Montero then go and give the worst case for Pineda when giving their argument about the trade.

    Both players have great talent and need to improve their games to get the most of their talents.

    ————————-

    Fair enough but I think the bottom for Pineda is worse than it would be for Jesus. At worst Jesus becomes a Billy Butler type player.

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    luis – I truly believe you’re gonna love Pineda.

    :)

  51. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    i’m just so down on their whole operation.
    ————
    Agree. But to give the Wilpons a fair shake, the Mets have spent considerable money in the past decade to compete. Then Madoff happened…. but I get the sense Fred wants to pass this one as a family legacy (which i don’t begrudge him) and he will do everything possible to maintain majority control of the team. Will it be pretty? most likely not in the immediate future.

  52. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Thast looked likre a CU too.

  53. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    as i said earlier i never got attached to montero because i always thought they’d trade him.

    but the other thing about the trade for me was that i remembered being really impressed with Pineda when i saw him.

    so i’ve been good with the trade from the moment i heard about it while driving down the road. in very similar fashion to when i heard they had signed teixeira, i punched the roof of my car and belted out a marvesque YESSSSSSS!

  54. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Another one, vertical fade

  55. jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    @ Against all Odds

    Yes pitchers are riskier than position players.. Hopefully Pineda can reach his potential. As long as he does seeing Montero crush the league wouldnt be as painful.

  56. hardwired7 March 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Right handers vs. Pineda? No chance.

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    OH YEAH!!!!!

    What’s not to love?

  58. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Pineda’s slider is pretty tight, it doesn’t seen to move as much as others but it’s thrown with the same motion as the fastball.

    there was another off speed pitch to get the 3rd out.

    All in all, it’s two innings early in the spring but he looked very good.

  59. blake March 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Pineda is gonna be a beast….I can’t watch the game but Ill catch it on DVR later.

  60. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    “Which is why as distraught as I was losing Montero, I was equally excited about getting Pineda”

    i thought i remembered you hating on posada and and ragging on montero’s catching because they were a threat to your favorite player cervelli.

    now you say you liked montero ?

    damn, i must have been wrong.

    i would have sworn you never had any interest in montero at all.

  61. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Fair enough but I think the bottom for Pineda is worse than it would be for Jesus. At worst Jesus becomes a Billy Butler type player.

    _____________________________

    At worst Montero is going to avg .297, .360 with 17 HR and 87 RBI? Come on!

    Montero could be a whole lot worse than that.

  62. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    @ Against all Odds

    Yes pitchers are riskier than position players.. Hopefully Pineda can reach his potential. As long as he does seeing Montero crush the league wouldnt be as painful.

    ———————————–

    True if he performs well then the talk should die down. The only time I think it will pop up is if the line-up continues to trend downward.

  63. blake March 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Bad swings by Hunter pence is a good sign seeing as how he’s killed the ball so far this spring.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    randy – you’re pathetic. You’re so good with tracking down people’s posts for years and years ago, look mine up.

    I get it. You’re dying inside because Pineda did a good job.

    Find one post where I ragged on Montero’s catching.

    Find one post where I said ANYTHING but that Montero would never be traded.

    Now go play with yourself.

  65. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    I liked the Thome and Vittorino Ks. Very impressive.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “damn, i must have been wrong.”

    Yeah, one in a string of so many times that I’ve lost count.

  67. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Randy, are you anywhere near Tampa this spring?

  68. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Fair enough but I think the bottom for Pineda is worse than it would be for Jesus. At worst Jesus becomes a Billy Butler type player.

    _____________________________

    At worst Montero is going to avg .297, .360 with 17 HR and 87 RBI? Come on!

    Montero could be a whole lot worse than that.

    ————————————————

    I don’t think he will I’m being honest. I don’t see him being no worse than that as a player.

  69. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    I’m honestly far more interested in watching Cesar Cabral and Juan Cedeno pitch today than Pineda.

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Cool, DRob is going to pitch.

    :)

  71. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “Now go play with yourself.”

    you too, though that’ll probably improve your social life :)

  72. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Trisha,

    i´m excited already!!

  73. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    “Randy, are you anywhere near Tampa this spring?

    no, i was in miami the past few weeks, but i din’t get over.

    i’m sure it’s fabulous down there right now.

  74. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    i’m just so down on their whole operation.
    ————
    Agree. But to give the Wilpons a fair shake, the Mets have spent considerable money in the past decade to compete. Then Madoff happened…. but I get the sense Fred wants to pass this one as a family legacy (which i don’t begrudge him) and he will do everything possible to maintain majority control of the team. Will it be pretty? most likely not in the immediate future.

    —————————-

    They’re just not good business people. I don’t doubt that the Wilpons could make good owners…. if they didn’t also try to be business men. Leave the finances to people that actually understand them.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    luis – ISN’T IT AWESOME!!!!!

    I watched games he pitched when he was with the Mariners and I always remember Compass Rosy raving about him. The guy is fantastic.

    :)

  76. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    tomingeorgia March 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    I liked the Thome and Vittorino Ks. Very impressive.

    ———————–

    Yes, Victorino´s k with a change up

  77. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    cashmoney – we’ll see what happens with fred and the muts, but, one thing that you say is right on target – it’s not pretty.

    later.

  78. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Okay enough of this Pineda kid.. when do we get to see Campos?! :D

  79. MG March 5th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    just picked up 2 tix for Yankees-Pirates in Bradenton tomorrow, 2nd row box down the left field line for $20 on Stub Hub…

  80. hardwired7 March 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Mike Axisa has a nice game chat going on over @RAB.

  81. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    trisha,

    Yes, it is encouraging!

    Is it CU day?? I think Drob i throwing some

  82. luis March 5th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    Okay enough of this Pineda kid.. when do we get to see Campos?!

    ——————–

    :D

  83. scuzzles March 5th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    for those at work, the game is on here. Just clik the ads and they will dissappear. http://www.oleoletv.com/tv/vid.....nkees.html

  84. kd March 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    any else wonder why drob isn’t a starter? he’s got the arsenal of pitches

  85. Mordot11 March 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    I knew Robertson couldn’t handle the pressure of being the annointed setup man!!!

    <3 Spring Training!

  86. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    kd- My guess is he gets “timed” very easily if he see’s batters multiple times.

    D-Rob’s fastball is based on deception and when that deception becomes clear it gets whacked.

  87. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    any else wonder why drob isn’t a starter? he’s got the arsenal of pitches
    =====================
    No changeup?

  88. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    AAO – “I don’t think he will I’m being honest. I don’t see him being no worse than that as a player.”

    Well, you’re about the only one. Every major projection system in existence has his best possible season this year at roughly… what you expect for his minimum performance. The disconnect here is why some will never get over Montero.

  89. Doc Iac March 5th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    robertsons walks are his issue

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “No changeup?”

    :)

  91. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    a few things outside of Yankee universe I am curious about this season…
    1. Strasburg’s season
    2. Will bryce harper rake his way to AAA this season
    3. Will the reds put chapman in the rotation, if so, how will he perform.
    4. Will Darvish be the dominating force as he was in Japan.
    5. How will toolsy yoenis cespedes translate his talents in ML.

  92. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    ID,

    Very good points, i might add that he hasn´t started in his career and his body type is rather small for SP

  93. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “why the need to be a right fighter…sounds needy to me.”

    That.
    ==========
    ???

  94. Doc Iac March 5th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    a few things outside of Yankee universe I am curious about this season…
    1. Strasburg’s season
    2. Will bryce harper rake his way to AAA this season
    3. Will the reds put chapman in the rotation, if so, how will he perform.
    4. Will Darvish be the dominating force as he was in Japan.
    5. How will toolsy yoenis cespedes translate his talents in ML.

    1. prolly really good
    2. my guess is yes
    3. they shoudlnt
    4. hell no
    5. no clue

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    “???”

    mick, I was agreeing with you. Someone had just used “This” to agree with a post, so I used “That” instead.

    :)

  96. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    a few things outside of Yankee universe I am curious about this season…
    1. Strasburg’s season
    2. Will bryce harper rake his way to AAA this season
    3. Will the reds put chapman in the rotation, if so, how will he perform.
    4. Will Darvish be the dominating force as he was in Japan.
    5. How will toolsy yoenis cespedes translate his talents in ML.

    _______________________

    1. Me too
    2. Likely
    3. No and if they did, disaster
    4 Good but not that good
    5 Don´t know

  97. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    1. Strasburg’s season NL Cy Young if he stays healthy
    2. Will bryce harper rake his way to AAA this season I think it’s more likely he rakes his way into the majors
    3. Will the reds put chapman in the rotation, if so, how will he perform.yes and he’ll be good until Dusty blows out his arm
    4. Will Darvish be the dominating force as he was in Japan.No
    5. How will toolsy yoenis cespedes translate his talents in ML. he and Manny will join the A’s at about the same time. I think he’ll be good – not great – this season

  98. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    did not know this and that were terms of agreement.

  99. Tackelberry March 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Has David Adams seen any game action this Spring so far? How does he look?

  100. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    1. Strasburg’s season
    2. Will bryce harper rake his way to AAA this season
    3. Will the reds put chapman in the rotation, if so, how will he perform.
    4. Will Darvish be the dominating force as he was in Japan.
    5. How will toolsy yoenis cespedes translate his talents in ML.

    1. Strasburg in limited time in the majors has been outstanding, if he gets a full season he will be a top starter.
    2. He might make the team out of spring, Rizzo is jonesing for Harper hard.
    3. He is going to be bad, tired, hurt, or all 3.
    4. Dominating force? It would be hard for him to put up a 1 ERA in the majors, no one does that. I think he will be ace like though.
    5. I think he is around a ~.700 OPS with lots of whiffs.

  101. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Tackelberry March 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    Has David Adams seen any game action this Spring so far? How does he look?

    ———————-

    He played yesterday…He is big for a 2nd baseman, it was only one at bat, didn´t look good on that one

  102. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    So far, not liking Cabral. I dont like how he throws it. Send him back then put Warren on the 40 man :)

  103. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    The Rangers could be interesting – Holland and Harrison are both good young LHP – but Darvish, Ogando and Feliz on the back end are big unknowns.

    If Ogando can repeat his 2011 season and Feliz is half as good as they think he’s going to be that could be a young, scary rotation for a long time.

    The offense is going to be good as long as Beltre, Hamilton, Cruz and Napoli stay healthy.

    Bullpen is potentially atrocious.

  104. willwill March 5th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Ibanez is pretty bad

  105. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    JF,

    Are you at this game as well??

  106. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    I assume D-rob wasn’t tried as a starter because of his wildness, stature, and the fact he has been a career reliever back to college. He does actually have a change up, and now has a cutter too to go with the FB and the curve. A pretty deep arsenal of pitches for a reliever.

  107. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Are you at this game as well??

    Nope, vacation over back to work. Just watching on mlb.tv.

  108. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    randy l. -

    Looking strickly at Montero’s AAA numbers, how can you say with a straight face his numbers were outstanding?

    2010 – BA .289, OBP .353, SLG .517, OPS .870, HR 21

    2011 – BA .288, OBP .348, SLG .467, OPS .814, HR 18

    The numbers show he was trending down a bit, not getting better, as they should have, given it was his 2nd year in AAA.

    Montero will not be a good defensive C at the ML level, just look at his ST game where his manager took him out to prevent injury, because he kept getting hard blows to the face mask, not able to handle the pitches, pus a big error.

    You can love his bat, I did, but, you are being delusional if you think he becomes anything other than a PT C for the M’s.

    Do you have a counter on the number of CU’s being thrown?

  109. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    It’s incredible how much Domonic Brown looks like Ryan Howard’s little brother.

  110. willwill March 5th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    chavez is also pretty bad, chavez i liked originally, but even in practice he just lopes around like he don’t care

  111. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    i completely skip the whole question of whether to trade hitting for pitching or visa-versa. to me they traded jesus montero for michael pineda because they thought pineda was going to be better for the yankees than they expected montero to be. i leave the theory part out of it and try to judge on a ‘who for whom’ basis.

  112. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    “The offense is going to be good as long as Beltre, Hamilton, Cruz and Napoli stay healthy.”

    Or Rangers.

    Everyone but Beltre are FA the next 2 years. Kinsler and Young too.

  113. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Also, this Phillies color-guy is HORRIBLE. WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT?

  114. GoldGlove9486 March 5th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Is this guy who says Eric Chavez doesn’t care kidding me? This guy wants to be with the Yankees as badly as anyone.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Big Al – randy is indisposed. He’s either busy taking mylanta for his stomach issues now that Pineda had a good outing and threw change ups, or he’s feverishly typing on his computer screen, looking for some nonexistent posts he accused me of posting.

    :)

    ******l

    Love me some Chavez.

  116. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    I don´t like the arm angle of Cabral, might be easy to pick his pitches

  117. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Looking strickly at Montero’s AAA numbers, how can you say with a straight face his numbers were outstanding?

    Well he was the youngest player in AAA his first season, and ended the year by OPSing over 1 for 2 and a half months. And even in 2011 he was the youngest player on the Top 100 hitters list for the IL. He was putting up those numbers while catching.

    He should not have even been in AAA in 2011…

  118. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Chip,Doc and Luis
    On Strasburg, I think he will be very good, inning limits will prevent him from CY Young consideration I think Chip.

    On Harper, I think he will rake, want to see how he adjust to more refined pitching in the high minors. Chip, I think the nationals want to start his FA clock til next season.

    On chapman, I think they should, they sign him with the intent of him being starter, he has the arsenal and we will find out how Dusty manages him.

    Darvish, he looks to have good command and control of his pitchers, that’s a big key to me more than his above average repertoire, i think he have a good season record and stats wise.

    On Cepedes, his tools look so tantalizing, I really wish the Yanks had spare money to sign him base just on that. I have no clue how that translate into ML. I will wait and see on that.

    Health will be keys to all those guys I think but that applies to everyone i suppose.

  119. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    drob has never started a game in his professional career. 82 combined minor league games, 0 starts.

  120. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “He should not have even been in AAA in 2011…”

    What should be have been doing at the ML level?

  121. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    nothing quite as boring as ST baseball altho i liked pinedas off speed stuff…is that the same as a changeup?

  122. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    advance apologies to grammatical errors.

  123. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I know from Jap, that you have seen Montero play….I do think the FO thought exactly that…I must say that i was Impressed be pineda´s outing today.

  124. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “Looking strickly at Montero’s AAA numbers, how can you say with a straight face his numbers were outstanding?

    2010 – BA .289, OBP .353, SLG .517, OPS .870, HR 21

    2011 – BA .288, OBP .348, SLG .467, OPS .814, HR 18

    big al-

    you’ve looked at cano’s triple a numbers haven’t you?

    cano -.793 ops at triple a

    you think some catchers handle foul balls off the mask netter than others ?
    okeydokey

  125. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    trisha -

    I trust, (bad word to use around randy) the Yankees PC to do what’s necessary with his staff, and see to it the young pitchers learn what they need to to become better.

    As has been said those that can do, those that can’t teach.

  126. blake March 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    1. Strasburg if healthy will be a #1 this year.
    2. Harper gets to the bigs by May
    3. Chapman stays a reliever
    4. Darvish is worse than Wilson last year.
    5. Cespedes helps the As finish last

  127. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    **He should not have even been in AAA in 2011…**

    Clearly he should have, because he didn’t get any better and he had the same bad start to 2011 that he did to 2010… except without the hand injury excuse… right?

  128. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    take rapada over cabrel…like his funky delivery for ortiz.

  129. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    eboland11 Erik Boland
    Rivera said he’ll pitch first game “maybe this weekend.” Said with a smile “I’ll be ready. I was born ready.”

  130. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    By Pineda´s outing

  131. blake March 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    End the LOOGY search….they don’t need one.

  132. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    old news about Mo.

  133. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Nunez plunked on the hand. Not good…

  134. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    they need 1 more reliever
    no alballedejo or mitre

  135. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Yanks might have signed Cespedes in they wanted to lead the league in jumping over boxes.

  136. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Nunez plunked on the hand. Not good…
    =========================
    out for season…oh i thought you said chavez

  137. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    i firmly blieve that garcia will end up in the pen sooner than Hughes or Nova will end up back in AAA, they don’t need to sign another reliever.

  138. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    randy l. -

    Let’s hold off futher discussion until after the season ends. That will be more telling than pure conjecture at this point.

    Regardless of whether or not Montero becomes the hitter you believe he’ll become, I’d be shocked if he ever becomes a regular catcher, IMO.

  139. Ys Guy March 5th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    no, the only time i’ve ever seen montero catch was on tv the time he caught for the yankees and they flew romine in to take over mid-game. i went to a couple of trenton games while he was on the roster but never saw him play.

  140. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “you’ve looked at cano’s triple a numbers haven’t you?

    “cano -.793 ops at triple a”

    Are you saying Cano’s AAA numbers were outstanding?

    Or are you saying you don’t have to have outstanding AAA numbers to be a successful MLer?

    Because the question was, were Montero’s AAA outstanding as you claimed.

    Lohud HATES yes or no questions.

  141. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    freddy ,logan, mo ro, so, wade, thats 6 for pen, they usually have 7.
    til joba comes bring rapada

  142. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    So he do the Yankees take North with them if Nunez hand injury is something serious? Bill Hall…

  143. MG March 5th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    End the LOOGY search….they don’t need one.
    ————————–
    completely agree, particularly if the names are spelled Rapada or Cabral or the other guy who is even worse.

  144. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “Let’s hold off futher discussion until after the season ends. That will be more telling than pure conjecture at this point.”

    big al-

    hey,you’re the one that knocked on my door.

    don’t knock if you don’y want someone to answer :)

  145. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    “Let’s hold off futher discussion until after the season ends.
    ===========================
    I think he was telling you to STFU

  146. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    MG March 5th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    blake March 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    End the LOOGY search….they don’t need one.
    ————————–
    completely agree, particularly if the names are spelled Rapada or Cabral or the other guy who is even worse.

    ========

    I don´t understand the continous search for 2nd loogy when you have MO, Drob, Soriano and Logan, they can all handle lefthanded batters

  147. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Clearly he should have

    No, hitters of Montero’s caliber would have been given a chance to make the team after his AA debut, which he did in a pitchers park, or his 1st year AAA finish. What he did after basically being passed over in 2011 has no bearing on if he should or should not have been promoted. Its just my opinion, but I think he needed to be challenged. He was clearly able to handle major league pitching in 2011. He should have been showing that all year.

  148. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    randy l. -

    Cano was a need a 2B, more for his D than his bat when he came up. Yes, Cano has become a terrific hitter, but, his bat is not what got him to NY at that time.

    I could be way off base here, but, I’m of the opinion, had Montero shown very good skills behind the plate, he would have been in NY in 2010.

  149. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “I don´t understand the continous search for 2nd loogy when you have MO, Drob, Soriano and Logan, they can all handle lefthanded batters”

    Because it’s spring training, and the LOOGY candidates are all non-roster miL invites and that’s what spring training is for.

    No LOOGY who doesn’t look really, really good is being signed to a ML deal.

  150. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    What should be have been doing at the ML level?

    I would have had him backing up Martin, getting turns at DH.

  151. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    randy should be sent to a minor league blog where he can work on a second obsession.

  152. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    I’d take Rapada, as long as Girardi only uses him vs lefties.

  153. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Later guys, have to go….take care

  154. Yankee Trader March 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Thank goodness it’s only a contusion.

  155. Tackelberry March 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    “I’d take Rapada, as long as Girardi only uses him vs lefties”

    Unless Rapada gets lit up in his nexto outing

  156. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    i firmly blieve that garcia will end up in the pen sooner than Hughes or Nova will end up back in AAA, they don’t need to sign another reliever.
    ——————

    Agreed.

    They need to decide who gets the last spot in the pen and that’s that.

  157. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    mick -

    I’m capable of reading what randy wrote, so I don’t need you to stir up trouble with those kinds of posts, I guess you’re just up to your old games.

  158. luis March 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Point taken….but you might add Joba and Ardsma to that list….i don´t know Wade´s number against lefties, but i´m sure they are not bad either

  159. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    why would girardi use rapada vs a righty?

  160. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “Its just my opinion, but I think he needed to be challenged. He was clearly able to handle major league pitching in 2011. He should have been showing that all year.”

    Let me again, be clear. I think Montero will likely be a very good ML hitter sooner or later, but this justification of his 2011 is pretty weak stuff from some usually stronger posters.

    The dude can make a LOT more money, have a LOT more comfortable professional surroundings and personal lifestyle and start the clock sooner to when he can potentially earn high 8 if not 9 figure earnings.

    I have NO idea if his issues in AAA were motivation problems, but to suggest ANY minor leaguer was ‘understandably’ insufficiently motivated to put as much pressure on his parent club to promote him is just piss poor rational.

  161. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    AL
    plenty of stirring the pot here w/out me.
    but thanks for thinking of me…

  162. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Unless Rapada gets lit up in his nexto outing

    Rapada has been in the majors, and has shown his ability to dominate lefties in hilarious fashion while being piss poor against righties. If they really want a 2nd loogy I’d take him for that reason only. I don’t need him to embarrass lefties in spring to prove it, he has a major league track record.

    Issue is teams end up giving him way too close to a 1:1 ratio of PAs against righties.

  163. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    “I would have had him backing up Martin, getting turns at DH.”

    Okay. Valid.

    Think we would have gotten enough reps to make strides as a someday starting ML catcher?

  164. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    randy l. -

    I have answered your posts, as I believe they should have been. Unless you have a way of knowing, not guessing, that Montero will put up huge numbers this season, one can only wait to see if this is true, or just wisgful thinking. How is that answering your knock on the door?

  165. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    “randy should be sent to a minor league blog where he can work on a second obsession.”

    wave your hat-

    don’t forget my hughes, joba, wang , posada, livan , and conditioning obsessions back when marty miller was around .

    we’ll see which one of you folks sticks around when i’m right again as usual.

    i can’t tell you how many posters disappear after being totally schooled.

  166. MG March 5th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    I root for the team in the field for the Yankees so have nothing vested in the Montero talk but he didn’t hit well last spring, I’m sure that had much to do with him being sent back to AAA given his issues behind the plate.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Dominic Brown has butter fingers!

  168. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    wishful

  169. m March 5th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for the news on Nunez. Probably best case scenario.

  170. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    can we call you Mr. Right?

  171. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “Issue is teams end up giving him way too close to a 1:1 ratio of PAs against righties.”

    Most ML teams can’t afford the luxury of a true LOOGY turning the regular season.

    Yankees starting pitcher and bullpen is so deep they can afford to keep a guy that ONLY faces lefties in close games (Agon, Prince Fielder and gone) and maybe gets his ERA abused on moping up blowouts (of either kind).

    Of course whether another bench player is of greater value is a whole other discussion.

  172. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Think we would have gotten enough reps to make strides as a someday starting ML catcher?

    Yes, and I think would have benefit from having girardi & tony pena around. Moot now, but Cashman did say Montero was better than some major league catchers post 2009. Martin having the reputation of a good defender, I don’t think it was necessary to fill the backup position with the all-glove, no bat type backup that the Yankees usually carry (or no bat, no glove in cervellis/molinas case).

    I think he could have been a Shoppach type in 2011. And would have been a goooood candidate to take over the DH spot when it struggled so mightily.

  173. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    randy l. -

    we’ll see which one of you folks sticks around when i’m right again as usual.

    i can’t tell you how many posters disappear after being totally schoole

    ***********************************************************

    Perhaps that’s a part of the problem, you seem to feel superior to others here, and a need to “school”, rather than discuss.

    No matter which side of a discussion one takes, the odds are still 50/50. :)

  174. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I think Cabral opens with the Yankees over Repada just because of the Rule 5 thing.

  175. Yankee Trader March 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Wade
    Garcia
    Logan
    Soriano
    Robertson
    Rivera

    Room for 1 more

  176. Yank 97 March 5th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    To me, I give Montero a pass for his struggles in AAA – it had to be a kick in the groin for the Yankees to bring up Gustavo Molina instead of him out of ST and not bring him up until September despite the fact that they were getting nothing from DH and the offense was inconsistent throughout the year.

  177. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Funny stat, in 2010 Rapada did not play a lot, but he got equal PA against righties and lefties.

    Lefties OPS .195
    Righties OPS 1.402

    Just use him against lefties! IF they can stomach having a super specialist in the bullpen, I’d have Rapada pitch a lot only facing the tough middle of the order lefties.

  178. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Randy –

    What will define you as right?

  179. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    big al-

    i can’t tell if you’re asking serious questions or not.

    if you’re serious.

    i’m telling you i have a very strong feeling montero is going to be an elite player, and i have a very strong feeling the yankees are going to muck up pineda.

    if you want to wait till the season is over to revisit this no problem.

    i in the meantime,i’m going to be paying attention to both players every step of the way.

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Trader – someone until Joba returns, or an additional bench player until Joba returns?

  181. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I have NO idea if his issues in AAA were motivation problems, but to suggest ANY minor leaguer was ‘understandably’ insufficiently motivated to put as much pressure on his parent club to promote him is just piss poor rational.

    ———

    What’s your rational for a hitter who had performed at an extremely high level every year of his mL career suddenly putting up a subpar performance his second year at AAA?

  182. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Yank 97 March 5th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    To me, I give Montero a pass for his struggles in AAA – it had to be a kick in the groin for the Yankees to bring up Gustavo Molina instead of him out of ST and not bring him up until September despite the fact that they were getting nothing from DH and the offense was inconsistent throughout the year.
    ——————–

    I actually hold that as a greater indictment against Montero.

    If you’re a young kid and got sent to AAA then your choices are to sulk or to bust your butt and force the powers that be to take notice.

  183. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    feliciano would have been used only against leftys, as will rapada.

  184. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Cervelli might not be a slugger, but he gets his hits and knocks in his share of runs and gets on base. Hardly a non- hitter.

  185. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    JF, gotcha.

    I don’t know what their real reasons were, but I was about a week out in front last spring of Montero being ticketed to AAA.

    I looked at this start in 2010, and figured they might want to get him regular ABs and get him started before letting him sit every other day on the Yankees bench.

    Posada vs. Montero wasn’t an issue I think the Yankees really want to get into in April.

    And if they really had concerns about his glove, it made sense getting him reps on both sides of the ball early.

    NO idea of that was their reasoning, but it strikes me as reasonable either way.

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    “Randy –

    What will define you as right?”

    His built-in Catch22. If Pineda does well – which he will – it will be because he didn’t pay any attention to the Yankees, who tried to muck him up.

    If Montero does poorly, it will be because the Mariners screwed up his swing.

  187. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    If Montero was unmotivated in AAA tehn that would certainly support the question of attitude issues. Twenty-one year olds in the minors better be busting their humps. Of course, I have no idea if he was unmotivated. It just can’t be used as an excuse. At least, not an encouraging one.

  188. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    “I have NO idea if his issues in AAA were motivation problems, but to suggest ANY minor leaguer was ‘understandably’ insufficiently motivated to put as much pressure on his parent club to promote him is just piss poor rational.”

    I dunno man, just to play devil’s advocate here – LoHud parents: would you think getting an early 20-something motivated is that difficult?

    In some cases, I wonder if we’re not placing very high expectations on a cohort of young men that aren’t generally known for their unwavering dedication. I understand the ‘If I had those tools and was in that position’ line of thinking… but if I had those tools I have not one blessed clue what I’d do with them.

  189. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    austinmac, I think it all boiled down to the person the Yankees had more confidence in as a defensive catcher.

    Not really difficult to embrace, yes?

  190. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Why does prospects naturally needing to be challenged = Montero wasn’t motivated??

    There’s a logic jump here.

  191. hardwired7 March 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Ersatz Molina sighting.

  192. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    but if I had those tools I have not one blessed clue what I’d do with them.
    =====================
    be the 1st female ballplayer?

  193. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    If Montero was unmotivated in AAA tehn that would certainly support the question of attitude issues. Twenty-one year olds in the minors better be busting their humps. Of course, I have no idea if he was unmotivated. It just can’t be used as an excuse. At least, not an encouraging one.
    ——————-

    Agree completely.

    If the Yankees have questions about your work ethic then they don’t really care how highly touted you are – they will move you. Ask Jose Tabata.

  194. mick March 5th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Montero could turn out to be the biggest headcase in the world, who knows?
    Maybe the Yanks did…

  195. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Why does prospects naturally needing to be challenged = Montero wasn’t motivated??

    There’s a logic jump here.
    ——————————–

    Well I would suggest that if you’re so good that you need to be sent to the next level then you should do a lot better than Montero did.

  196. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “What’s your rational for a hitter who had performed at an extremely high level every year of his mL career suddenly putting up a subpar performance his second year at AAA?”

    Don’t really have one.

    Just not a fan of the implications of EITHER of the two more popular ones in this debate.

  197. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    If you’re a young kid and got sent to AAA then your choices are to sulk or to bust your butt and force the powers that be to take notice.

    He busted his butt in 2010, including dominating a league as the youngest player in it. Then was shunned after playing in ST. I don’t know if that is THE reason, but I can believe it to be one of the reasons he wasn’t his montero like self in 2011. Really, the only thing missing in 2011 was his SLG, and anyone who saw Montero knew his power did not just abandon him.

    Reading books about the minor leagues, its very easy to imagine a player being discouraged and carrying it onto the field. I’d prefer it if Montero had the internal strength to not be affected, and maybe he wasn’t affected like that, but I would not hold it against him if he was affected by it.

  198. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    No one knows what Montero can be capable of better than the yankee brass and their development system.

    They decided to take their chances elsewhere.

    It’s time to accept that your “glass is always overflowing with liquid gold” approach was just that… a tad optimistic.

  199. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    “Why does prospects naturally needing to be challenged = Montero wasn’t motivated??

    “There’s a logic jump here.”

    Suspensions for motivation/attitude issues in two consecutive seasons are the ramps.

  200. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    randy l. -

    This was my point, although you may have strong feelings concerning both players, that’s all they are at this point, and there is no way, other than “Time will tell.” Even if you’re wrong, I promise not to school you, lol. :)

  201. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Then was shunned after playing poorly in ST.

    Fixed that for you.

  202. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    “What will define you as right?”

    chip=

    well, with marty miller, his ass was fired.

    with someone like hughes it can be tricky because he did have that 18 win year.

    i like hughes too. always have. but overall he’s big a big disappointment.

    with joba, it goes without saying the yankees mucked him up.

    unless montero has a career ending injury he’s going to be a big star.

    pineda? if he can master the change, he’ll be great. if he doesn’t he won’t.
    so what is the chance he will develop that change.

    that’s what we’re debating here.
    i say it’s about a ten percent chance he develops a plus change.
    probably a 25 % chance he develops a decent change.

    that’s it on my part.
    i couldn’t be any clearer.

  203. Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Why does prospects naturally needing to be challenged = Montero wasn’t motivated??

    There’s a logic jump here.

    ———————————

    Because yrs from now if he becomes good or great they can always say remember when he was in the minors he was lazy/needed to be pushed.

  204. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    **Reading books about the minor leagues, its very easy to imagine a player being discouraged and carrying it onto the field. I’d prefer it if Montero had the internal strength to not be affected**

    If they can’t handle that little bit of pressure and discouragement, how are they going to handle the NY media?

  205. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    randy-

    You’ve had some good obsessions in the past but every major league poster needs at least two serviceable obsessions at once.

    The great ones, of course, have three.

  206. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Could it be argued that those who respond positively to minor league assignments are the exception and not the rule?

    What is Russell Martin’s centaur name?

  207. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Well I would suggest that if you’re so good that you need to be sent to the next level then you should do a lot better than Montero did.

    He showed he was so good he needed to be sent to the next level in 2010, what happens when you do that and then get sent back down again? Real life point, do you think you’d continue to work hard at your job if you felt your performance was not influencing promotion?

  208. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    If you’re a young kid and got sent to AAA then your choices are to sulk or to bust your butt and force the powers that be to take notice.

    He busted his butt in 2010, including dominating a league as the youngest player in it. Then was shunned after playing in ST. I don’t know if that is THE reason, but I can believe it to be one of the reasons he wasn’t his montero like self in 2011. Really, the only thing missing in 2011 was his SLG, and anyone who saw Montero knew his power did not just abandon him.

    Reading books about the minor leagues, its very easy to imagine a player being discouraged and carrying it onto the field. I’d prefer it if Montero had the internal strength to not be affected, and maybe he wasn’t affected like that, but I would not hold it against him if he was affected by it.
    ———————

    Part of what teams look for in prospects – especially top ones – is how they deal with failure. Montero had never failed in his life until he was beaten out for the back up catcher spot by Gus Molina – he didn’t respond well to that failure. It’s possible, even probable, that raised some red flags to the Yankees.

  209. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    The scene is moneyball where Beane traded away little Giambi for being a distraction should have opened some eyes around here… it’s not always just a baseball decision.

  210. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Then was shunned after playing poorly in ST.

    Defended just fine, and was told not to worry about the bat. Ended spring hitting .300 over the last 10 contests. Of course hit an opposite field bombdouble against the red sox on ESPN :)

  211. RadioKev March 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    How did you calculate the percentage that he develops a good change? Did you analyze the length of Pineda’s fingers and divide it by his age, and then compare that to the finger/age ratio of pitchers who throw a change?

    I’d love to know.

  212. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Suspensions for motivation/attitude issues in two consecutive seasons are the ramps.

    ——–

    So do you have an opinion Montero’s 2011 or not?

  213. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Part of what teams look for in prospects – especially top ones – is how they deal with failure. Montero had never failed in his life until he was beaten out for the back up catcher spot by Gus Molina – he didn’t respond well to that failure

    Please do not use phrases which makes it seem like Gus Molina actually did something other than show up :) He didn’t beat anyone.

  214. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    jerkface – You think he should be excused for any motivational issues simply because he thought he was better? I’m sure lots of guys did when they got to the minors, and then were humbled by expectations.

  215. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    ” Even if you’re wrong, I promise not to school you, lol”

    big al-

    i’m not going to disappear because i’m wrong, but i’ll disappear if i’m i’m bored.

    i wasn’t here for about 6 months when cb and sj44 chose to stop participating.

    this blog is no where what it used to be quality wise.

  216. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    What is Russell Martin’s centaur name?

    Thurmanimus

  217. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    jerkface – He didn’t defend fine enough to get the call over Gustavo Molina.

    Don’t the Yankees own actions damn all of the prior expectations people are holding about Montero? Everything they did for the last 2 years says they had no faith in this guy at all.

  218. Tackelberry March 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Wave Your Hat

    “Hey Whitey! Where’s ya hat?”

  219. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “i’m not going to disappear because i’m wrong, but i’ll disappear if i’m bored.”

    Really? You seem to disappear quite often when something you post is questioned.

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    In English, randy does NOT believe that Pineda is going to be great since he only gives a 10% chance of developing a “plus change”, his definition of what it will take for Pineda to be great.

    So if Pineda is great, randy ends up being wrong since he would have been wrong about Pineda developing the necessary change.

    Just want to be clear on that so randy can’t come back later and claim that since Pineda has developed a great changeup, he said he would be great.

    In other words, I don’t want randy to have any ability to worm out by twisting words around.

    Thank you.

    :)

    ********

    And you can feel free to quote my words: PINEDA IS GOING TO BE GREAT. And I think he already has the change up to do it with.

  221. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Well I would suggest that if you’re so good that you need to be sent to the next level then you should do a lot better than Montero did.

    He showed he was so good he needed to be sent to the next level in 2010, what happens when you do that and then get sent back down again? Real life point, do you think you’d continue to work hard at your job if you felt your performance was not influencing promotion?
    ——————-

    Yeah – I would work twice as hard to get noticed, if not by my supervisor than by someone in another department.

  222. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Who are these guys the Yanks are pitching this inning?

  223. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “How did you calculate the percentage that he develops a good change? Did you analyze the length of Pineda’s fingers and divide it by his age, and then compare that to the finger/age ratio of pitchers who throw a change?”

    nope, scenario thinking mostly :)

  224. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Everything they did for the last 2 years says they had no faith in this guy at all

    ——-

    And it probably cost them a trip to the ALCS last season.

  225. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Tin Cup ( The Original Randy I )……Nobody can stir the pot like you…I know you’re sitting back and enjoying it all……..Kind of like the guy in the opposing dugout with all the chatter that can get into your head…….You must have been hell to play against

  226. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    You think he should be excused for any motivational issues simply because he thought he was better?

    I think he should have been given a bit of a pass yes. He came up in september and clearly showed an ability to hit major league pitching, he took his PAs in the postseason and did not wilt under pressure. Prospects develop differently, and I think the Yankees could have got more out of Montero if they challenged him. Maybe it would not have worked out like I think, its just my opinion. Its just one of the reasons why I don’t subscribe to the uniform method of bringing up pitching prospects. Montero showed enough, for me, from his start to 2010 that I think he should have been in the big leagues. The Yankees disagreed, and then traded him, so we know where they stand on the issue :)

  227. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    “So do you have an opinion Montero’s 2011 or not?”

    Nope.

    I’m NO position to know a damn thing about Jesus Montero’s attitude or make-up. I can only try to guess at meaning behind the body of evidence that exists.

    I didn’t see enough games to have an opinion on either his defense or hitting woes through June.

    I don’t have enough information to have much of a worthwhile opinion and I don’t think anyone else does either.

    That’s my consistent position.

  228. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    What is Russell Martin’s centaur name?

    Thurmanimus
    ———————–

    THANK YOU!

  229. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Yeah – I would work twice as hard to get noticed, if not by my supervisor than by someone in another department.

    Well Chip you’re probably a better human than most people :)

  230. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    Tin Cup ( The Original Randy I )……Nobody can stir the pot like you…I know you’re sitting back and enjoying it all……..Kind of like the guy in the opposing dugout with all the chatter that can get into your head…….You must have been hell to play against

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    The Eddie Stanky of the boards?

  231. MG March 5th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Melky Mesa has about the slowest release I’ve even seen from an outfielder…

  232. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Pat M -

    1. He didn’t play. He was a bullpen coach for ST or something like that. You are the one who played.

    2. You’re easy if you think this is him stirring the pot. He’s dead-out serious about Pineda not making the grade.

  233. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    “And it probably cost them a trip to the ALCS last season.”

    The “probably” is the fail part of that sentence.

    You would have been in taken-seriously territory with “may”.

  234. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Melky Mesa has about the slowest release I’ve even seen from an outfielder…

    And one of the longest swings! Noticed it yesterday.

  235. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Yeah – I would work twice as hard to get noticed, if not by my supervisor than by someone in another department.

    Well Chip you’re probably a better human than most people :)

    —————————–

    Yeah that’s kind of my point, we make a lot of assumptions based on people’s natural abilities – assumptions that normally wouldn’t apply to a bunch of 20-something frat boys (which, I may be the only one, but I find hard to believe is not the general nature of minor league ball-players).

  236. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Yeah – I would work twice as hard to get noticed, if not by my supervisor than by someone in another department.

    Well Chip you’re probably a better human than most people
    —————

    Yeah but we’ve known that for a long time now :-D

  237. MG March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    I’ve only seen Pineda 1X except for the game against the Yankees last year (when I didn’t pay that much attention to him) but his change looked very workable today.

    When you throw 95+ and have a good slider it doesn’t have to be a plus pitch, it just has to be spotted well and his command seems good enough to be able to do that consistently.

    We’ll just have to see over the course of the season, today (and the whole spring) doesn’t prove anything

  238. mick March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    this blog is no where what it used to be quality wise.
    ================================
    why do you lower yourself then?

  239. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    “And it probably cost them a trip to the ALCS last season.”

    How so? Posada did have a 1.15 OPS in the ALDS. Or are you projecting that 2 for 2 Montero put up?

  240. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Melky Mesa has about the slowest release I’ve even seen from an outfielder…

    And one of the longest swings! Noticed it yesterday.
    ———–

    Agreed – he better get to the Kevin Long clinic or else I don’t see a major league career there.

    Zoilo Almonte is my boy though.

  241. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    ID,

    There are going to be examples and counter examples all over MLB, because prospects just aren’t a uniform science, but a guy like Hanley Ramirez, who was older, struggled repeating AA. Then managed to do WAY better at a vastly harder level in the majors the very next year. If a guy has the tools, sometimes you should bet on the tools.

  242. BIG AL March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    randy l. -

    I agree, some good people have left, but, that had alot to do with the idiot that was posting personal info.

    I miss reading those posts as well, and even if I don’t fully agree with a poster, if they make valid points, I enjoy engaging them on the blog.

  243. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Nope.

    I’m NO position to know a damn thing about Jesus Montero’s attitude or make-up. I can only try to guess at meaning behind the body of evidence that exists.

    I didn’t see enough games to have an opinion on either his defense or hitting woes through June.

    I don’t have enough information to have much of a worthwhile opinion and I don’t think anyone else does either.

    That’s my consistent position.

    ——-

    Yet you consistently like to bring up questions regarding Montero’s work ethic.

    Very transparent.

  244. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    How so? Posada did have a 1.15 OPS in the ALDS. Or are you projecting that 2 for 2 Montero put up?

    ——-

    Pinch hitting in key situations, primarily for Martin.

  245. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “this blog is no where what it used to be quality wise.”

    That’s euphemistic for “all my good buddies have disappeared.”

    I find the quality of the blog to be very high. I think we have a group of extremely interesting and motivated Yankee posters.

    Oh well, to each her or his own.

  246. mick March 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    1) To teach the peons about baseball,
    2) To tell us stories of your past,
    3) To big league those who have not played the game?

  247. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    cb was just here the other day. He’s not gone.

  248. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “The Eddie Stanky of the boards?”

    Did Eddie Stanky get into people’s heads by being really, really bad at baseball?

  249. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    And randy, I could swear you posted that when you weren’t here it’s because you were so busy with your store that you didn’t have time to post.

    Strange.

  250. mick March 5th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I find the quality of the blog to be very high. I think we have a group of extremely interesting and motivated Yankee posters.
    ==================
    Why thank you trish!

  251. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Any time, mick!

    :)

  252. mick March 5th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    time for the good ol boy network to join forces and pounce…

  253. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    @MikeSilvermanBB: Expect to see Adrian Gonzalez play the outfield this spring #redsox

  254. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “Pinch hitting in key situations, primarily for Martin.”

    Well I agree he probably could have outhit Martin. But perhaps that says something about his catching.

    Wait, that response isn’t allowed…

  255. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “time for the good ol boy network to join forces and pounce…”

    Unfortunately that does happen.

  256. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    @MikeSilvermanBB: Expect to see Adrian Gonzalez play the outfield this spring #redsox
    ———————

    Can’t wait for Bobby V to explain the logic behind that when Gonzo pulls a hammy.

  257. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “In English, randy does NOT believe that Pineda is going to be great since he only gives a 10% chance of developing a “plus change”, his definition of what it will take for Pineda to be great.

    So if Pineda is great, randy ends up being wrong since he would have been wrong about Pineda developing the necessary change.

    Just want to be clear on that so randy can’t come back later and claim that since Pineda has developed a great changeup, he said he would be great.

    In other words, I don’t want randy to have any ability to worm out by twisting words around.”

    trisha-

    i realize that you have a low aptitude with numbers. you know you suck at math. we’ve all seen it on the blog.

    but even you can understand that when someone says there’s a ten per cent chance something could happen , it does indeed mean that they believe that occurrence could happen. once in ten times.

    you don’t seem to have the ability to understand anything except in terms of either/ or, right/ wrong, or black/white.

    life is much more complex than that.
    luckily you went to law school where mathematical ability is not necessary.

  258. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I think the quality of posts here is in general very good. Lot of differing but valid opinions…..old school, new school……etc..

  259. Yank 97 March 5th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Yankees are complacent – they won the first 2 games of the series vs. Philly so decided to take today off. This is why they will not beat out Boston for the division, Boston would have swept them and asserted their will. They are just more mentally tough than the Yankees. Also, Girardi forfeited the game with the lineup he put out today. The team just has no killer instinct

    /regular season’d

  260. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Stanky was the typical middle infielder of that era. He hit ok and drew more than his share of walks…scored his runs. Was good enough to finish in the top 10 as an MVP a couple of times.

  261. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Yankees 3 ALDS losses

    Martin: 11 PAs, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 0 H, 0 RBIs.

  262. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    LGY-

    I remember it like it was yesterday. :(

  263. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “Can’t wait for Bobby V to explain the logic behind that when Gonzo pulls a hammy.”

    Youkalis can’t play 3B anymore…..this is what happens when you move your unathletic and injury prone 1B to 3B in his 30s and sign a new 1B. They can’t DH him because of Ortiz….

  264. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “Yet you consistently like to bring up questions regarding Montero’s work ethic.”

    “Very transparent.”

    Transparent of?

    I bring up question about his work ethic because question about his work ethic exist, and are relevant to the preoccupation of this forum as to why Montero was traded.

    I’m consistently argued that it simply could be a factor and it should be acknowledged in the discourse.

    I have NO idea how bad his attitude may or may not have been and whether it was or was not a factor in the trade.

    I simply like acknowledging variables.

    This is the SAME reaction I get when suggesting the system MLB economic system is weighted in the Yanks favor.

    I get a lot of defensive reaction like “so are you saying it’s the Yankees fault???”.

    Montero had a POOR 1st half in his second AAA stint.

    He got suspended by the Yankees in consecutive seasons.

    Those are relevant factor in a larger equation discussion regardless of what conclusions can or cannot be drawn from them.

    People inventing excuses for them is what interests me.

  265. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    So randy, it appears to me that you’re trying to cover your tracks so that you will end up being right no matter what. That’s pretty cowardly of you.

    At least I came right out and said what I thought would happen, such that if it doesn’t, it is apparent I called it wrong.

    Yes my math skills suck. But I do understand probability, and one in ten isn’t very hopeful.

    And I don’t think many people live better in shades of grey than I do. That’s why I have the ability not to pee my pants when a hitter goes cold or a pitcher is having a bad day, or horrors, the Yankees lose a game.

  266. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “Martin: 11 PAs, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 0 H, 0 RBIs.”

    He swung hard though.

  267. Duh Innings March 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    jr1212 March 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @ Against all Odds..What happens if Montero cant catch?…

    ——————–

    As long as he produces does it matter if he can’t catch. Let’s say he doesn’t become Albert or Manny but instead puts up 30 and 100 in regular yrs and 35-38 with 110-120 RBis in peaks yrs no one is going to care if he is not doing that behind the plate.

    ———————————————————————————————

    Montero is not hitting 30 or more HR or driving in 100 or more RBI with Seattle.

    Seattle plays in a pitcher’s park and has an absolutely dreadful offense outside of Ichiro their only very good hitter year in year out who is fading and in his walk year.

    Who’s he driving in besides Ichiro? If Ichiro is traded or signs elsewhere after this coming season?

  268. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    In playoff games where Montero hit 1.000, the Yankees were undefeated

  269. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Someone asked you what would make you right as opposed to wrong.

    So why don’t you just put it out there in simple english. Or do you have a fear of being proven wrong?

    If Pineda ____________________ then I will have been proven wrong.
    If Pineda_____________________ then I will have been proven right.

    You fill in the blanks.

  270. sammiejohnson March 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    @MikeSilvermanBB: Expect to see Adrian Gonzalez play the outfield this spring #redsox

    _________________________

    Getting ready for inter-league games in March? Umm, ok.

  271. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    “time for the good ol boy network to join forces and pounce…”

    trisha -

    if you don’t think sj44 and cb were really good you’re just being obtuse.

    …and old boys network has nothing to do with it.

    i’m not friends with her , but yankee feminista is the best read on the blog now.

    not to drag her into this debate.

  272. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “Martin: 11 PAs, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 0 H, 0 RBIs.”

    He swung hard though.

    ——————-

    Yeah he struck out just like Thurman used to.

  273. EA March 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    But again, how do we know if he can be a catcher or not without even giving him the chance to do so? Why because Keith Law said he couldn’t?

    If Posada/Piazza/VMart could catch, so could Jesus.

    IMO, I think they didn’t want to put him at catcher because they valued his bat so much and didn’t want to see him “Buster posey’d”. Doesn’t mean he can’t catch though, just that teams prefer to protect their best hitter.

    The days of maximizing positional value is over. Just get the best 9 in the lineup some way, somehow.

    And I wouldn’t exactly say that the Girardi/Cashman duo are exactly the sharpest tools in the drawer anyway. They are both very stubborn and often do things just to prove points or mix things up.

  274. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Erik Boland ? @eboland11
    Pineda happy with changeup. Said he threw five today, including one in strikeout of Victorino

    ——

    I wonder how many overall pitches Pineda threw. I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

  275. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Zoilo!

  276. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    At least CB still comes by every now and then.

    Its not like its trisha that drove the good posters away… we all know that sad story and I’m not sure that any of the blame belongs to the regulars (aside from one). I also miss a lot of the old crew, randy, but c’e la vie..

  277. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Pinada threw 30 pitches, 19 strikes

  278. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    I wonder how many overall pitches Pineda threw. I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

    The max allowed was 35. 2 IP or 35 pitches. Lets work the percentages! GO TEAM SABERMETRICS.

    *Complicated equations fill your mind*

    5/35 = 14%
    5/30 = 16%
    5/25 = 20%
    5/20 = 25%

    So we know he threw somewhere close to Randy’s RED LINE indicator of change up tutelage.

  279. jacksquat March 5th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Zoilo!

  280. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Almote is tearing it up so far.

  281. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “Martin: 11 PAs, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 0 H, 0 RBIs.”

    Two groups of people, one who believe that catching defense and game-calling have little to no potential effect on a baseball game and those who it could are never going to find common ground.

    If you think Montero could ONLY have helped, and if you think Montero COULD have hurt, that impasse will never be bridged.

    I happen to think the latter is more grounded in sound logic because unlike the former it is not absolute, but ce sera sera.

  282. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    I love SJ, even though I didn’t always agree with him. And CB still comes by.

    SJ doesn’t post here anymore because of C*9, the same reason so many of the others left. It had nothing to do with you schooling people!

    And I think Yankfem is great. As I said, we have a very interesting forum.

  283. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    “So why don’t you just put it out there in simple english. Or do you have a fear of being proven wrong?

    If Pineda ____________________ then I will have been proven wrong.
    If Pineda_____________________ then I will have been proven right.

    You fill in the blanks.”

    tricia-

    like i said, you have such a low mathematical aptitude , probability just escapes you.

    the world is not always either /or.

    i think pineda has a one in ten chance of being an ace.

    i think montero has an 8 in 10 chance of becoming an elite hitter.

    it’s interesting how that kind of statement throws you.

  284. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Thanks Shame.

  285. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Forget about the good ol boys network, beware of the good ol girls network….I made an ill advised comment about four years ago and I never want to rattle that cage ever again……..GB, in your head and under your skin, seemed like every club had one who was just relentless…..Game has changed in that regard

  286. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Then if Pineda becomes an ace, you will have been mostly wrong. Okey dokey?

    :)

  287. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Transparent of?

    ———

    It’s obvious you’re invested in this Montero has a questionable work ethic meme.

    You may believe your just adding information to the discussion but it’s very easy to discern on this blog the positions posters have attached themselves to especially when they deliver very specific information discrediting a player so frequently.

  288. UnKnown March 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Looks like 16% CU’s then. That’s a nice %.

  289. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    “it’s interesting how that kind of statement throws you.”

    Not thrown at all. Just trying to make you stop hiding behind your gobeldy-gook!

  290. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Randi, you have a cool victory dance? I am sincerely more interested in that than something seemingly cant be even be remotely determined til 2-3 years down the road from now.

  291. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    “….I made an ill advised comment about four years ago and I never want to rattle that cage ever again……..”

    C’est moi? Heck I’m one of your biggest fans!

    :)

  292. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    like i said, you have such a low mathematical aptitude , probability just escapes you.

    the world is not always either /or.

    i think pineda has a one in ten chance of being an ace.

    i think montero has an 8 in 10 chance of becoming an elite hitter.

    ________________

    Randy, you can’t insult someone on their mathematical aptitude, asked to show you math and then respond with emoticon.

    I’ll judge your mathematical aptitude on your actual math.

    How did you arrive on those figures?

  293. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Shame, what would be ur own centaur name?

  294. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “Can’t wait for Bobby V to explain the logic behind that when Gonzo pulls a hammy.”

    Youkalis can’t play 3B anymore…..this is what happens when you move your unathletic and injury prone 1B to 3B in his 30s and sign a new 1B. They can’t DH him because of Ortiz….
    —————————-

    At the start of the offseason I thought the Red Sox should have let Ortiz walk, moved Youk to DH, move Scutaro to 3b and signed Jose Reyes

  295. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    For the third time today Mike Francesa has referred to the disease Ike Davis has (Valley Fever) as “Jungle Fever”….’nuff said.

  296. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    AnthonyMcCarron Anthony McCarron
    Eduardo Nunez says he doesn’t think anything’s broken. Yanks are sending him for X-rays.

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry
    Now Yankees are saying Nunez will have precautionary XRays on his bruised hand.

  297. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    “5/35 = 14%
    5/30 = 16%
    5/25 = 20%
    5/20 = 25%

    So we know he threw somewhere close to Randy’s RED LINE indicator of change up tutelage.”

    trisha-

    see how easy that is. jerkface and i clearly don’t like each other , but guess what , he gets probability.

    there’s no either /or thinking . multiple scenarios.
    try it, you might like it.

  298. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    And I’ll go even further than that for you randy. Pineda is an elite pitcher already.

    Now we’ll see how this pans out.

  299. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    “How did you arrive on those figures?”

    He pulled them out of his butt, just like most of the things he spouts off about here.

  300. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Pineda was elite today.

  301. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    Shame, what would be ur own centaur name?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Runitinthegroundus

  302. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Who needs Swisher after this year – we have Zoilo Almonte!

    kidding….or not. :-)

  303. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    No randy, I’m not playing your games. You saw Pineda today and you’re thrown off your game.

    You want to play all around so you will be able to claim victory. You apparently have issues. I don’t. I’ve put it right out there.

    I’m claiming elite status for both Montero and Pineda.

    Now I’ll wait to see how it pans out.

    And I clearly understand probability. 10% isn’t too encouraging. So I will take that as you don’t think it will happen. I don’t see many people voicing their predictions in terms of percentages. That’s because they’re not afraid to stand behind their words. You always seem to need a soft place to land.

    So be it.

  304. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Tricia…I’m still saying Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers to atone for that sin….I remember Clare being livid at me….That was a long time ago….

  305. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    that’s pretty funny gb.

  306. luis March 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Back again,

    Randy I,

    i think there are plenty of good posters here…….Blake,Jerky,LGY, Pat M, Shame, ID,Yankeefem, JAP, Villa Nova Ya, GB7, Stuckey, Unknown, among others. They may not be as deep as CB or SJ44, but they are all very good, JMHO.

  307. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    And while I’m fighting for Montero’s cause today, just want to make clear I believe Pineda will become an excellent pitcher.

    Him needing to get TJ surgery sometime in the next couple years is a major concern though.

  308. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Spirit of the Centaur
    Centaur Spirit
    Ode to the Mighty Centaur Spirit
    Remember Your Centaur Spirit
    Embiggen Your Centaur Spirit

    A-rod knows whats up with motivation.

  309. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    And Randy went to grade school where math was required.

  310. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “Just trying to make you stop hiding behind your gobeldy-gook!”

    trisha-

    i get it that probability is “gobeldy-gook” to you.

    i get it that you think mostly in just black and white.

  311. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Pat M – :)

  312. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Yankees Eduardo Nunez Nunez diagnosed with right hand contusion and will undergo precautionary X-rays … http://atmlb.com/ziEj2g

  313. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    “It’s obvious you’re invested in this Montero has a questionable work ethic meme.”

    If by thinking it may have indeed been a factor in the trade, then okay.

    “You may believe your just adding information to the discussion but it’s very easy to discern on this blog the positions posters have attached themselves to especially when they deliver very specific information discrediting a player so frequently.”

    And my position on Montero should be very easy to discern, because I’ve stated them outright frequently.

    My main interest in this issue is not prejudging his eventual ML impact. If you truly can discern anything about a poster, you should have discerned my position on that topic. I don’t make predictions about ceilings or floors with any great conviction.

    The body of evidence suggests he can become a very good ML hitter and I’d bet his physical tools will overcome/shadow his mental ones, IF the latter are actually lacking and for however long they may or may not lack.

    Once more, I hope he succeeds. Immediately and longer-term.

    There should be no question on my position any longer.

  314. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    “i get it that you think mostly in just black and white.”

    And I get that you hide well.

  315. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    ” You saw Pineda today and you’re thrown off your game.”

    hahahahhahahhahahahhahaha

    so you saw something to day that made you know something about the future?

    gee , no one knew pineda had a plus fastball and a plus slider :)

  316. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Can’t imagine getting hit in the right hand will do any good for Nunez’s throwing yips.

  317. MG March 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I don’t know (and no one does) if Pineda becomes an elite pitcher (he isn’t one yet, that’s why they are called ‘Elite’) but it is difficult to imagine him not winning 15 games for the Yankees in 2012 if he makes all his starts.

    95mph+ fastball, plus slider and good control in front of a good defensive team that scores runs in bunches makes that almost a given. You can’t just use project his stats from Seattle into a guy that gives up the long ball at Yankee Stadium as he will adjust his pitching pattern and pitch to the large part of the ballpark, it’s worked pretty well for Yankees pitchers for many generations.

  318. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    “At the start of the offseason I thought the Red Sox should have let Ortiz walk, moved Youk to DH, move Scutaro to 3b and signed Jose Reyes”

    Yup.

  319. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    Spirit of the Centaur
    Centaur Spirit
    Ode to the Mighty Centaur Spirit
    Remember Your Centaur Spirit
    Embiggen Your Centaur Spirit

    A-rod knows whats up with motivation.

    ********************

    OMG

    :lol:

  320. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    What you’ve proven is that you can’t be proven either right or wrong, since you’ve voiced your predictions in terms of probabilities, and unless you are using the null set, you clearly will be right, even though it may be just slightly right.

    LMAO!

    What a hero.

    So when someone says “What will make you right?” your response is basically that every possible scenario will prove you right since you’ve given things in terms of probability .

    Gotcha.

    Carry on!

  321. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    trish, I think you and randy should have a dance off to determine the winner. I estimate your gyration percentage at 30, Randy’s at 25… i think it be a close call.

  322. Villa Nova-Ya March 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    I don’t understand the need to be right or wrong.

    Randy has an opinion. I don’t agree with it. If someone doesn’t like reading about Randy’s view of Pineda, skip over his posts on that subject.

    The good news is Pineda had a fine outing today and did incorporate some changeups, which both his manager and his GM have acknowledged need to be included in his repertoire. So, good for today.

    In my mind, Montero and Pineda can both be successes. Doesn’t have to be an either/or situation. I just want the Yankees to have a great season.

  323. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    “And Randy went to grade school where math was required”

    No fancy calculators either….the only tablets Randy learned on were stone :)

  324. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Phil Hughes, a flyball pitcher with much worse stuff than Pineda, managed to toss up a 4.16 ERA his first full season starting while giving up plenty of home runs. Even if you project Pineda to give up 25+ HRs, he probably isn’t going to do worse than Hughes. His stuff is too good. Lefties might give him trouble? Sure, but he has better tools to deal with them than Hughes did. I expect Pineda to be somewhere around the 3.7-4.2 ERA range next season. With vast improvement in year 2 and going forward.

  325. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    “i think there are plenty of good posters here…….Blake,Jerky,LGY, Pat M, Shame, ID,Yankeefem, JAP, Villa Nova Ya, GB7, Stuckey, Unknown, among others. They may not be as deep as CB or SJ44, but they are all very good, JMHO.”

    luis-

    no one here touches cb for the depth of his analysis.

    i like most of the people you mention, but none of them gets me thinking the way cb did.

    he really was quite good.

  326. jpmatrixfan88 March 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Randy, you really are very wrong about Pineda. A 10% chance he’s an ace? Any baseball expert would laugh at that. I would peg that number in excess of 50-60%.

    Something you don’t seem to grasp is that he already HAS a change up and reports were that it was a plus pitch in 2010. I do not know what happened to it last year, but he just didn’t throw it much. By all accounts, his change up has looked great so far this entire spring. You are acting like he has two decent pitches and the Yankees taught him a change up yesterday.

    If his change up even gets a LITTLE more consistent, he’s a #2. If he refines it and it is a weapon, he’s an ace.

    Can’t wait to tell you “I told you so,” all year. And believe me, I will. As will many others.

  327. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    “so you saw something to day that made you know something about the future?”

    No, I saw something today that when coupled with what I saw in the past, gives me total confidence in the future. Call that 100%. How’s that for probability.

  328. luis March 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Villa,

    I didn´t like the trade……But, your post was spot on

  329. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    CB was here like yesterday….he still posts just not as often.

  330. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “Randy has an opinion. I don’t agree with it. If someone doesn’t like reading about Randy’s view of Pineda, skip over his posts on that subject. ”

    Villa, randy is the one who talked about being right. I will find the post for you if I can.

  331. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Shame, what would be ur own centaur name?

    —————-

    I’d be: Macaroni Rascalator

  332. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    And by the way, a lot of posters disappear in the off season and show back up for the season.

  333. MG March 5th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    trisha, let’s see Pineda carry his plus stuff and command through a full season, including late season games that mean something, before he is annointed as ‘Elite’.

    Nova proved to me last year that he had that ability, it will be great if Pineda shows the same ability this year.

  334. Irreverent Discourse March 5th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    so you saw something to day that made you know something about the future?

    Yeah… saw him pitch. Unlike you who previously admitted to saying Pineda was going to AAA having never seen him throw.

    You are so transparent randy, it’s ridiculous.

    Just admit that you are not willing to stand by what you have been spouting here about Pineda for the last month and get on with it.

  335. EA March 5th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    A rival manager said to me last week that Matt Moore is a left-handed Stephen Strasburg — and he’s TB’s No. 4 or 5 starter. 17 minutes ago

  336. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    “I don’t know (and no one does) if Pineda becomes an elite pitcher (he isn’t one yet, that’s why they are called ‘Elite’) but it is difficult to imagine him not winning 15 games for the Yankees in 2012 if he makes all his starts.”

    If he just pitches the same as he did last year he will win 15 easy…..same with KURODA

  337. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    I’d be: Macaroni Rascalator
    ——–
    you will be hunt down by bunch of ravenous kids… be vigilant and safe Shame. can’t promise I wont nibble at ya either as you charge ahead.

  338. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Jose Iglesias, Mike Aviles, and Nick Punto (from left) are the Red Sox’ options at shortstop right now. (Jim Davis/Globe Staff)

    lol iglesias.

  339. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Buster seriously has some sort of weird man crush on the Rays.

  340. MG March 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    “I don’t know (and no one does) if Pineda becomes an elite pitcher (he isn’t one yet, that’s why they are called ‘Elite’) but it is difficult to imagine him not winning 15 games for the Yankees in 2012 if he makes all his starts.”

    If he just pitches the same as he did last year he will win 15 easy…..same with KURODA
    ——————–
    exactly, the off season did little to change our near 100% agreement on baseball, did it? lol

  341. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Using my math skills, Pineda’s liklihood of developing a good change has gone up 250% as Randy had said he had a 10% chance and now it is a 25% chance. If this keeps up, it will be a Pedro Martinez’ change very soon.

  342. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “Buster_ESPN
    A rival manager said to me last week that Matt Moore is a left-handed Stephen Strasburg — and he’s TB’s No. 4 or 5 starter. 17 minutes ago”

    Bring it Rays.

    “Buster seriously has some sort of weird man crush on the Rays.”

    Blake, not going to rehash the have-vs-have nots argument, but doesn’t it make perfect sense a baseball analyst would be impressed with their track record the last few years, given their resources?

    Lots of people here are.

  343. blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    MG,

    Good to see you….happy spring!

  344. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    “At the start of the offseason I thought the Red Sox should have let Ortiz walk, moved Youk to DH, move Scutaro to 3b and signed Jose Reyes”

    Yup.
    —————

    I’m glad they didn’t.

    Also this Carl Crawford thing is quickly becoming a disaster. It sounds like their opening day OF might be Ross, Ellsbury and Sweeney.

    How’s that for a 6, 7, 8, 9:

    Salty
    Ross
    Sweeney
    Punto/Aviles/Iglasies

  345. stuckey March 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Gustavo!!!!!!!!

    Nick?? Where are you??

    Double or nothing?

  346. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    “i think there are plenty of good posters here…….Blake,Jerky,LGY, Pat M, Shame, ID,Yankeefem, JAP, Villa Nova Ya, GB7, Stuckey, Unknown, among others. They may not be as deep as CB or SJ44, but they are all very good, JMHO.”

    luis-

    no one here touches cb for the depth of his analysis.

    ————————

    LOL, no sh*t.

    I’m sure a lot of us wish we could be as immersed in baseball as some of the other posters here. I’m especially jealous of yankeesfeminista who gets to cut out of class to go to games!! But how much can a bunch of people that are only here because they like one team bring to the table?

    Maybe we should start a merit system where posters are only allowed to comment depending on how many points they’ve accumulated through merits and demerits :D

    (Seriously, if we all started with 10 points and could use 1 point per comment, who would run out first? Might need to nominate myself on that one :D )

  347. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Aviles is a pretty good option bat wise JF, don’t recall if he is adequate defensively … range and otherwise.

  348. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    MG – okay that’s fair. I’m willing to say that I unequivocally see Pineda reaching elite status.

    ****************

    Now this is what randy posted to austinmac:

    “austin mac-

    so anyone who gets it right ahead of time will just be lucky?

    there is no such thing as some people making educated guesses about the future where they are right more than someone just flipping a coin ?”

    I’m still waiting to hear randy’s STATEMENTS on what will make him right and what will make him wrong. We all know that flipping a coin deals with probabilities.

    What are your “educated guesses” about the future randy? Forget the probabilities. I want to know what will make you right, and what will make you wrong.

  349. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Buster seriously has some sort of weird man crush on the Rays.
    ——————-

    He works for ESPN so he can’t say anything nice about the Yankees, but he wants to be different so he gets his love on for the Rays.

    Someone should point out that just because the Rays want to start Moore in the 4/5 spot doesn’t mean they think he’s their 4th or 5th best pitcher.

  350. MG March 5th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    MG,

    Good to see you….happy spring!
    ——————
    blake, same to you. I have no interest in the offseason stuff so barely pay attention until spring training starts-I’m even going to the Yankees-Pirates game in Bradenton tomorrow, my first spring training game ever except for some Yankees-Dodgers games at Ebbets Field that they used to play right before the start of the season in the ’50s.

  351. mick March 5th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    i 2 wsih i wuz a baseball expoit.

  352. have a cigar March 5th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Question from a long-time lurker: why are people even bothering even trying to engage randy l.? He’s obviously getting off on trolling you. He’s caught in some lame loop…just let it go.

  353. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Aviles is a pretty good option bat wise JF, don’t recall if he is adequate defensively … range and otherwise.
    —————–

    Not really a good option with the bat:

    .288 BA, .318 OBP, .419 SLG

  354. mick March 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    philly fans showing their expertise by clapping with 2 strikes and 2 outs in a ST game.

  355. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Phils win their first ST game, 9-3.

    :)

  356. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    mick – a tradition started by none other than fans of the NYY!

  357. mick March 5th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Question from a long-time lurker: why are people even bothering even trying to engage randy l.? He’s obviously getting off on trolling you. He’s caught in some lame loop…just let it go.
    =================
    at least he isn’t bored…

  358. blake March 5th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “Blake, not going to rehash the have-vs-have nots argument, but doesn’t it make perfect sense a baseball analyst would be impressed with their track record the last few years, given their resources?”

    Sure…what they’ll done is impressive….as is Matt Moore….I just get sick of Buster going on and on about the Rays every spring.

  359. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    MG,

    Have fun at the game. I bet those exhibitions games in the 50s were fun. In a rarety, that was before even my time.

  360. mick March 5th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    at least we don’t bore the amazing randy…

  361. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    .288 BA, .318 OBP, .419 SLG
    ———-
    OBP is a bit low Chip. I think those would be pretty decent numbers for a SS. Jeter’s numbers were that much better LY.

  362. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Cashmoney,

    Aviles is a 31 year old that hit .255 .289 .409 .698 last year. Not really a prospect, late bloomer, came up at 27, spent 3 seasons in AAA. I was really just loling at Iglesias being the #1 choice ~right now~,but I don’t think Aviles is much better. Especially at short.

  363. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I may be the only one but I actually like randy’s crazy Pineda posts.. this place is like Cheers and I always picture randy like Cliff/Norm. GB is whichever of Cliff/Norm that randy is not.

  364. blake March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Chip,

    I think Boston has made some bad decisions the last couple of years….they are still a good and dangerous team….but I question there decision making often.

    MG,

    Full report on Hughes please

  365. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    have a cigar – you are right about engaging him. It’s something I seldom bother with. But when he comes across with accusing me of saying things I never said, that’s when I will gladly engage him.

  366. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    “so you saw something to day that made you know something about the future?”

    They weren’t posting pitch speeds today but I think I saw Pineda throw several changeups for strikes today.

    I can’t say whether they were elite strikes.

  367. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    .288 BA, .318 OBP, .419 SLG
    ———-
    OBP is a bit low Chip. I think those would be pretty decent numbers for a SS. Jeter’s numbers were that much better LY.
    —————-

    I think Aviles is a nice utility player – but as an everyday player he’s a zero at the plate.

  368. blake March 5th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “I may be the only one but I actually like randy’s crazy Pineda posts.. this place is like Cheers and I always picture randy like Cliff/Norm. GB is whichever of Cliff/Norm that randy is not.”

    Lol…who is Frasier?

  369. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Wave your hat, you have to be lying because I know Pineda only has two pitches and a change up isn’t one of them. He’s going to have to develop one though…

    :D

  370. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    I may be the only one but I actually like randy?s crazy Pineda posts.. this place is like Cheers and I always picture randy like Cliff/Norm. GB is whichever of Cliff/Norm that randy is not.

    ***************

    No question Randy would be Cliff.

    GB, guess that means you’re Norm. :)

  371. luis March 5th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    risha – true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    Phils win their first ST game, 9-3.

    ——————————————–

    Damn!!! our season is over!!! ;)

  372. Jacques Strappe March 5th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Speaking of old blog posters and posters past ……

    I used to read this blog every day, now I peek in once in a while. I don’t know SJ or know for certain why he no longer posts, but I probably check in significantly less often for many of the same reasons as him. Does anyone know if he has a blog or if he posts anywhere now?

    Curious to find out who Bobcat turned out to be too. Clearly he was somewhere inside.

  373. Chip March 5th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Chip,

    I think Boston has made some bad decisions the last couple of years….they are still a good and dangerous team….but I question there decision making often.
    —————-

    I didn’t have any problem with them signing Crawford, Lackey or Dice.

    Really it has just been this season that has been perplexing. They hired Cherrington to be GM but wouldn’t let him hire the manager. The manager they did hire is not the guy you want when chemistry is your main issue. You give away your starting SS for nothing, trade your back up SS for a closer who isn’t any good and then trade your starting RF for another closer.

    It doesn’t make any sense – my guess is that Lucchino is calling the shots right now and that’s not a good thing for Boston fans.

  374. munson15 March 5th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    This place has several Cliff Claven’s.

  375. austinmac March 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Blake, you can be Frasier. You know you want the title. Trisha is fiesty enough to be Carla.

  376. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I do think Aviles makes a good utility man Chip, I think he was in that capacity with KC for quite sometimes til he caught some regular playing time with his bat. we see how he holds up whole season at ss if the sox does go that way.

  377. Erin March 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    New Post: Nunez heading for x-rays in Tampa

    :arrow:

  378. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    blake March 5th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “I may be the only one but I actually like randy’s crazy Pineda posts.. this place is like Cheers and I always picture randy like Cliff/Norm. GB is whichever of Cliff/Norm that randy is not.”

    Lol…who is Frasier?
    ————————–

    I think stuckey might be Frasier lol, he’s always psycho-analyzing our fanhood. I’m not sure who that makes Bebe Neuwirth tho lol. I think I might be Woody, as I don’t bring much else to the table. Picking a Diane and Rebecca will be pretty tough….

  379. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    “I’m still waiting to hear randy’s STATEMENTS on what will make him right and what will make him wrong. We all know that flipping a coin deals with probabilities.

    What are your “educated guesses” about the future randy? Forget the probabilities. I want to know what will make you right, and what will make you wrong.”

    trisha-

    you totally lose it when you start talking about probability.

    do you understand the concept that 10 different things can happen, and not two ?

    i know that’s a stretch for you , but try.

    think of it like the concept of reasonable doubt.

    the fact it’s so difficult to nail down right and wrong in baseball may be part of it’s appeal. people can argue about things forever.

    baseball is a probability game .

  380. Shame Spencer March 5th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Definitely reposting the Cheers comment…


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