Another close-call birthday for Cervelli
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 06, 2012 
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When he broke his foot last spring, Francisco Cervelli got the final diagnosis two days before his birthday. Cervelli’s birthday has rarely been kind to him in spring training, and today — on the day he turned 26 — Cervelli was hit by a back swing while behind the plate.
“Thank God it was nothing serious,” he said.
Two other close calls today…
• Mark Teixeira said he “jammed” his thumb trying to apply a tag at third base. He dropped the ball on the play, but said it only stung a little bit.
“I didn’t know where he was so, when I tagged him, I hit him too hard,” Teixeira said. “I usually just try to barely touch them, but I hit him too hard and that’s what jammed my thumb a little bit.”
• Derek Jeter was hit in the side as he slid into second base on a pickoff attempt. He laughed it off.
“It barely touched me,” he said.
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
And I agree with you that Phil had enough movement when he was sitting 92…but he’s not sitting there anymore.
He has been searching for those missing 4 mph for a year now – I think it’s time to look for other ways to get hitters out.
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4 years? He has never been sitting at 88 outside of his dead arm in the beginning of 2011.
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You didn’t read my post correctly. I said “he’s been searching for those missing 4 mph for a year now – “
I said “he’s been searching for those missing 4 mph for a year now – “
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He found it… in the 2nd half of 2011… and now in spring. ????
Either way what you’re saying isn’t jiving, Chip.
Chad goes “WOW Hughes out already ”
People comment , that’s what we do during ST…
Was cervelli hit in helmet or body ??
Chad….Wow, Hughes i finished just after an inning and a third….You must be kidding with this….It seems to me that you have a hard on for him as I clearly recall this type of slanted reports on his starts dating back to the Joba / Hughes competition in 2010……Did he piss you off back in the Scranton days……
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Either way what you’re saying isn’t jiving, Chip.
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Did I not see a bunch of posts talking about Hughes not having any velocity today?
tom – thanks!
Even though I never wanted Kuroda, I definitely look forward to seeing him pitch.
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Happy Birthday Dreamy Eyes!!!
Cervelli should start playing in a suit of armor.
He has the worst luck in spring training.
ah, never mind – Marc Craig answered that – in that case my entire conversation about his lack of velocity should be discounted.
On the other hand, I still believe he desperately needs to improve his offspeed stuff.
Pat M – serious question. What was wrong with Chad reporting that Phil was finished after 1 1/3 innings? Wasn’t he?
When I read that he was taken out of the game, the first thing I wondered about was possible injury. Then I thought maybe he had reached his pitch count.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KV4F.....Helmet.jpg
Cervelli looking incredulous after being hit.
Did I not see a bunch of posts talking about Hughes not having any velocity today?
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Nope. Hughes was sitting 91-93.
Cashmoney – ha ha ha!
Garcia is the more reliable pitcher (until proven otherwise).
Garcia is the more reliable pitcher (until proven otherwise).
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Because he pitched 140 nice innings after 5 pretty inconsistent years?
“Garcia is the more reliable pitcher (until proven otherwise).”
If reliable means knowing what you’re going to get, so was AJ. If you don’t take a risk with a young player, it’s hard to improve over time.
Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KV4F…..Helmet.jpg
Cervelli looking incredulous after being hit.
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Hughes is more reliable in the kitchen.
“Because he pitched 140 nice innings after 5 pretty inconsistent years?”
I’d say 2008-2010 were pretty consistent. And 2011 was better. I’m OK with inconsistency if the inconsistency is on the upside.
I didn’t even want the Yanks to sign Garcia, and I’m not a Garcia fan. But I think he’s the more reliable pitcher (until proven otherwise).
Nick, LOL. Why do major league pitchers pick up a knife in the first place? For what they’re paid, don’t they have people for that?
“Hughes is more reliable in the kitchen.”
As long as the fridge/freezer/cupboards are empty, then yes.
Not following Wave. From 2007-2011 Garcia was injured for 3 years and pitched at a max of 157 innings and was below average for 1 of his 2 full seasons. I like Freddy a lot, but I don’t know if I’d call him consistent.
randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
“If they are bad for a long time and the cost begins to outweight the usefulness then let them go.”
jerkface-
put some numbers on it when it’s worth keeping them and when they need to go.
it’ s not like you to not quantify things.
you have to agree there is a cost in letting a kid pitcher gain experience at the mlb level.
in effect the team buys experience for a kid pitcher and pays for it in a number of losses.
randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
“No, because when Hughes is not pitching, due to injury or whatever, the spot isn’t lost. His turns are taken by someone else.”
you’re right, but you could look and see who filled in and what the results were.
how did hughes + hughes replacement do as compared to livan?
was it worth the losses the yankees got in exchange for the experience hughes got?
at this point, it looks like the answer is no.
hughes has been a big disappointment.
cashmoney – I have the prediction chart up for 2012. If you want to give me a prediction feel free. This year we added a Sux prediction chart in case of a tie. Winner gets 12 Ritter Sports Bars, flavors of their choosing.
You have until opening day to get your predictions in, if you don’t want to do it now.
I’ll post both charts for you to see, one in this post and then the other in a following post.
2012 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART
2012 SUXIAN FUTILITY CHART
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Garcia is the more reliable pitcher (until proven otherwise).
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Because he pitched 140 nice innings after 5 pretty inconsistent years?
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As opposed to Hughes who pitched 101 nice innings as a starter in the midst of an inconsistent career?
As opposed to Hughes who pitched 101 nice innings as a starter in the midst of an inconsistent career?
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They are both pretty inconsistent, I could see either one doing well this year or both busting hard. Only thing is, Hughes is gonna be around for 2013.
how did hughes + hughes replacement do as compared to livan?
was it worth the losses the yankees got in exchange for the experience hughes got?
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But I wouldn’t want the Yankees to replace any young pitcher with upside with Hernandez. Hernandez stinks! If you want to get another free agent name a name, but the Yankees cannot live on free agency alone. And in fact they will not be doing that going forward because the Steinbros don’t want to pay for it.
With young players you’re developing them with an eye towards future above average production. Maybe they don’t reach it, but that is the risk and one even the Yankees must be willing to take if they want to succeed.
Hughes made good on his promise in 2009 and 2010, providing above average production for the Yankees. They hedged in 2011 by bringing in Colon and Garcia and that worked out.
I’ll take Hughes + Garcia/Colon over Livan any day.
“Not following Wave. From 2007-2011 Garcia was injured for 3 years and pitched at a max of 157 innings and was below average for 1 of his 2 full seasons. I like Freddy a lot, but I don’t know if I’d call him consistent.”
Yeah I know but you were the one that pointed to the last five years. If you don’t count the injury years Garcia’s a consistent pitcher, isn’t he? You’re going to get something between 3.50 and 4.50 ERA? You sure Hughesy is going to provide that?
Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
“Garcia is the more reliable pitcher (until proven otherwise).”
If reliable means knowing what you’re going to get, so was AJ. If you don’t take a risk with a young player, it’s hard to improve over time.
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Hughes isn’t a prospect at this point – it is time to put up or shut up.
And if I know I’m getting 2011′s performance from Garcia in 2012 – yeah I’ll sign up for that.
Trish, I go with 97 wins for the Yanks. Sox, I don’t really care.
My only wish is that Joba got the 9 lives that Hughes is getting, and that Betances/Banuelos get that time as well.
f you don’t count the injury years Garcia’s a consistent pitcher, isn’t he? You’re going to get something between 3.50 and 4.50 ERA? You sure Hughesy is going to provide that?
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If you don’t count Hughes injury years he is pretty consistent.
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Only thing is, Hughes is gonna be around for 2013.
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That’s not a sure thing – if he can’t beat out Freddy for a rotation spot I don’t see the Yankees renewing his contract after this season.
Hughes isn’t a prospect at this point – it is time to put up or shut up.
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can’t say i disagree with that.
And if I know I’m getting 2011?s performance from Garcia in 2012 – yeah I’ll sign up for that.
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You don’t know that
Anyone would sign up for Garcia’s 2011 if they knew they were getting it. But he could just as well be 2010 Garcia. Vagaries of not having strong stuff.
That’s not a sure thing – if he can’t beat out Freddy for a rotation spot I don’t see the Yankees renewing his contract after this season.
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They are not going to non-tender Phil Hughes.
“If you don’t count Hughes injury years he is pretty consistent.”
If you don’t count Hughes’ injury years you don’t have enough to be consistent or inconsistent. If you look at his game logs though he’s not real consistent.
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
f you don’t count the injury years Garcia’s a consistent pitcher, isn’t he? You’re going to get something between 3.50 and 4.50 ERA? You sure Hughesy is going to provide that?
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If you don’t count Hughes injury years he is pretty consistent.
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Not true – the only year he was totally healthy was 2010 and he wasn’t terribly consistent that year.
MLB CAPTION THIS: Something is watching Derek Jeter … http://twitter.com/MLB/status/.....28/photo/1
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
That’s not a sure thing – if he can’t beat out Freddy for a rotation spot I don’t see the Yankees renewing his contract after this season.
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They are not going to non-tender Phil Hughes.
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They’re also not going to pay $6 mil for a long reliever.
I think Garcia took a few years to really perfect his junk balling ways and last season demonstrated what he’s capable of with reduced fastball velocity.
Cash, I need you to throw a prediction. Ritter Sports Bars could be at stake!!!
If you don’t count Hughes’ injury years you don’t have enough to be consistent or inconsistent. If you look at his game logs though he’s not real consistent.
Not true – the only year he was totally healthy was 2010 and he wasn’t terribly consistent that year.
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He has 2 seasons uninjured, both are pretty good. Thats as much as Garcia has in the past 5 years. And sorry but going game log by game log is an idiot in this sense. Garcia was just as inconsistent in 2010 and 2011.
They’re also not going to pay $6 mil for a long reliever.
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He won’t get 6 million if he isn’t in the rotation this year pitching well.
“I think Garcia took a few years to really perfect his junk balling ways and last season demonstrated what he’s capable of with reduced fastball velocity.”
I think it’s worth finding out if that’s true.
aight, I say sox weigh in at about 88.
“2012 SUXIAN FUTILITY CHART”
nice chart
what are the chances each person has of winning ?
trisha at 106 wins?
i’d say maybe 1 in 100
blake at 101?
i’d say 1 in 20
what if someone sad 96?
i’d say 1 in 5
“He has 2 seasons uninjured, both are pretty good. Thats as much as Garcia has in the past 5 years. And sorry but going game log by game log is an idiot in this sense. Garcia was just as inconsistent in 2010 and 2011.”
Baloney. Hughes had all of 89 IP in 2009, mostly in relief. That’s no data point. And Garcia was not as inconsistent in 2010 and 2011.
Hughes is making 3.2 million in Arb-2. He isn’t doubling up as a reliever/long man. The only way he ain’t a yankee in 2013 is if he gets traded. They are not gonna non-tender him.
Baloney. Hughes had all of 89 IP in 2009, mostly in relief. That’s no data point. And Garcia was not as inconsistent in 2010 and 2011.
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He was a really good pitcher in 2009. Isn’t that what we care about? We know he can start and we know he can pitch well. Garcia was very inconsistent in 2010. He gave up like 7 runs in a game once each month. Was below league average! In 2011 he had a 7 era in september. Hughes pitched well more often than he didnt in 2010.
“aight, I say sox weigh in at about 88.”
“The only way he ain’t a yankee in 2013 is if he gets traded.”
I hope he pitches well enough to get put into a package to fetch a young outfielder.
fetch a young outfielder.
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I like to see the Yanks knock on the doors of one Travis Snider, I like to see what long can do with him. Maybe the Jays will sell him cheap.
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
They’re also not going to pay $6 mil for a long reliever.
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He won’t get 6 million if he isn’t in the rotation this year pitching well.
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When was the last time a ML player took a pay cut in arbitration?
When was the last time a ML player took a pay cut in arbitration?
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Hughes is not making 6 million now, so he isn’t going to need to take a pay cut to make less than 6 million.
Hughes is at lthe least a 15 game winner in 2012…….I thought Betsy would be here especially since Hughes made his spring debut ….
I think you guys got sidetracked by this consistency argument.
The real question is, which pitcher has the highest likelihood of success in 2012.
Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
When was the last time a ML player took a pay cut in arbitration?
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Hughes is not making 6 million now, so he isn’t going to need to take a pay cut to make less than 6 million.
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Ok – he’s making $3.2. Even so, the Yankees aren’t going to pay him that if he’s not in the rotation.
LGY March 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I think you guys got sidetracked by this consistency argument.
The real question is, which pitcher has the highest likelihood of success in 2012.
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CC
Ok – he’s making $3.2. Even so, the Yankees aren’t going to pay him that if he’s not in the rotation.
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They aren’t non-tendering him over 3 million. Especially if he is a very good reliever. They pay that much for 1/4th of Soriano. 1 year of Feliciano for 4 million.
“I hope he pitches well enough to get put into a package to fetch a young outfielder.”
That’s my hope as well
not to mention, even if he performs like he did in 2010 for the next 2 years – would he even fit our budget?
Put hughes in the rotation as fifth starter and forget about it for awhile. If he bombs, look to garcia, phelps and warren.
Just checking in after today’s hike.
Looks like Hughes velocity was good for this point in ST.
Hopefully the rest will come along as ST progresses.
New Post: Hughes shows renewed arm strength in spring debut
The Yankees have paid for Hughes experience with a lot of losses over the past five years
Shouldn’t they try to get some wins out of him now that they have given him the experience at a substantial win cost to them?
I was at the game today but only stayed 4 innings (spring training baseball is really boring when it’s 2 hours to play those). Here are some observations:
-CC has lost a ton of weight since last year and did a significant amount of running in the outfield after the game
-There were no radar guns but it seemed like Hughes was throwing at least as hard as CC if not a little harder. I had the chance to stand within 10′ of the catcher in the bullpen while he was warming up and the glove was really popping when he threw the fastball.
-I don’t know what happened to him in his 2nd inning but he was getting 2 strikes on most of the hitters and then throwing pitches that were hit.
-McKechnie Field isn’t the best place to watch baseball, I was down the left field line in the second row and basically couldn’t pick up a batted ball off the bat (and neither could anyone else), it may have been the sun position
How did Tex get hurt at third base? wtf
i thought tex was a 1b