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Pregame notes: Hughes makes his pitch

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes gets his first spring outing this afternoon. He’ll be pitching in relief of CC Sabathia.

“We have him prepare as a starter,” Girardi said. “We give him plenty of time to warm up, and if something goes haywire (with Sabathia), we’ll have a reliever come in.”

Girardi said this morning that he’s been impressed with the way Hughes came into camp. He got down here for early work at the minor league complex, and he’s clearly in better shape than he was last spring. Girardi said it seems that he’s clearly taking nothing for granted and working to earn his place in the rotation, but of course, it also raises questions about whether Hughes was similarly committed in previous seasons.

My guess is that will be a significant topic of discussion after today’s game.

• Eduardo Nunez is not going to take batting practice today, but Girardi said he still thinks he could play tomorrow. Nunez can make a fist, but he still feels some pain when he does. Nunez said the hand does feels better, and he’s not at all worried about it.

• Ramiro Pena is getting time in the outfield today.

• Girardi listed his scheduled starters for one more turn through the rotation. There are no surprises:

Tomorrow: Hiroki Kuroda
Thursday: Ivan Nova
Friday: Freddy Garcia
Saturday: Michael Pineda
Sunday: CC Sabathia (home), Phil Hughes (road)
Monday: Hiroki Kuroda

• Four pitchers threw sides this morning: D.J. Mitchell, Matt Daley, Joba Chamberlain and Freddy Garcia. Russell Martin was scheduled to catch Garcia, but I think that was happening while the writers were meeting with Girardi.

• Tomorrow’s sides: Brad Meyers, Michael Pineda, Manny Banuelos and Rafael Soriano.

• Cole Garner and Nunez are on the list of players staying in Tampa to take batting practice. Garner has been dealing with a hamstring issue and I’m not sure he’ll actually hit. Nunez, obviously, won’t be hitting.

• Today’s available pitchers: CC Sabathia, Phil Hughes, Michael O’Connor, Brett Marshall, Graham Stoneburner, Chase Whitley, Adam Warren, Cesar Cabral and Kevin Whelan. My assumption is that only the first six are actually expected to pitch.

• Today’s second string: C Gary Sanchez, 1B Brandon Laird, 2B David Adams, SS Doug Bernier, 3B Jorge Vazquez, LF Ramiro Pena, CF Melky Mesa, RF Zoilo Almonte, DH J.R. Murphy

PIRATES
Jose Tabata LF
Clint Barmes SS
Andrew McCutchen CF
Casey McGehee 1B
Neil Walker 2B
Rod Barajas C
Yamaico Navarro DH
Nick Evans 3B
Brandon Boggs LF

 
 

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287 Responses to “Pregame notes: Hughes makes his pitch”

  1. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    4/52 sounds about right to me too…..so let’s take his 13 million+16 for Grandy+ 22 for Cano and add that to the money already on the books for 2014.

    That’s almost 130 million for 6 players……
    —————–

    Yeah – I would say it’s highly unlikely that they keep all three of those guys. Right now I think the money is on them just keeping Cano.

    Do you really want Swisher at years 33, 34, 35 and 36 or Granderson (who depends a lot on speed) for those years plus a couple of more?

  2. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Blake -

    I think Swish would be a great fit for Boston and with Papi and Youk both off the books after this season (Youk has an option that they’ll likely decline) they’ll have the money for him.

  3. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    So it’s CC, Kuroda, Nova, Pineda and Hughes.
    Sounds about right.

  4. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “Girardi said it seems that he’s clearly taking nothing for granted and working to earn his place in the rotation..”

    Where are all the people that were yelling about Montero’s make up/laziness? To think, a 20-something needs to lose a full year of big league time just to show up in shape… hehehehehe… just kidding guys, I like the conversation we’re having now a lot better :D

  5. Erin March 6th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Ramiro Pena is getting time in the outfield today.

    ********************

    El Nino

    8)

  6. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    That would depend on whether Rodriguez’ contract states that it’s bonuses for home runs (illegal) or written as merchandizing which should be seperate from contract salary.

    —————————

    Didn’t realize that, GB, every time I’ve read about the milestones I guess I just assumed he was getting the money for hitting the home run as opposed to the merch they’d generate from it. Makes sense. But do those bonuses still count against our “cap?”

  7. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    I, for one, would not run to the Stadium to witness #700 or to pass Bonds.

  8. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    The only bonuses they can get is time on the roster, games, innings pitches, starts, games finished plate appearances and awards.

  9. Bronx Jeers March 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I believe ARod gets 6MM -5 payments.

    Mays, Ruth, Aaron, tying Bonds, breaking Bonds.

  10. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    So none of Arod’s $30 million related to his HRs counts against us at all re: luxury tax? I’m sorry I’m obviously slow on the uptake this morning.. they forgot the hot sauce in my breakfast.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    FROM Madden NYDN article someone posted earlier:

    “Scouts familiar with the Yankee minor-league system have their doubts about both Banuelos and Betances, at least for the near future. The reason is the manner in which Yankees minor league pitching coordinator Nardi Contreras babies starting pitchers. It gets to the point where they often lack command on all their pitches or fail to get the necessary experience of pitching out of their own jams. In 27 starts at Double-A and Triple-A last year, Banuelos pitched more than five innings only five times. For Betances, it was only eight times in 25 starts.

    As one scout who frequently saw both of them last year said Monday: “If they’re so conditioned to coming out of the game after five innings in the minor leagues, how are they supposed to be able to help the big club? In the end, it’s all about endurance and location and while they both have good stuff, neither one of them can consistently locate his spots. For me, that would be a concern — to still be the case by the time they’ve reached Triple-A.”

    Madden’s a jerk who just likes to dump on the Yankees, but this criticism by the scout I think is valid.

    Ive written here and elsewhere many times that they pull these kids out of games when they’ve actually got some people on base and an opportunity to work from the stretch and out of trouble.

    I’ve seen a handful of times, for instance, Betances with a couple guys on and even with two outs, and he’s in a a groove and they’ll come and get him because of their anal devoition to an arbitrary pitch count.

    Not only is it frustrating to watch – because an intuitive PC with some autonomy would say ‘hey, the guy’s settled down, he’s past his “crisis” point, let him get out of this’ – it’s clearly frustrating for the kids, who want to clean up their own mess (often, that Trenton bullpen comes in and blows up, too). I asked Ashmore to ask Phelps (Trenton PC, not the SWB pitcher) and Betances if they felt he could have gone longer in such and such a start, and a stream of frustration came out of Betances (probably muzzled him after that one).

    It’s an injustice and it retards their development, depriving them of confidence. Betances, with less than two outs, is always a good bet, for instance, to induce a gb or get a K. Why not let the guy keep going. The slavish obsession with pitch counts, regardless of the situation, is not helping these kids progress.

    Warren also had a similar complaint, but since I don’t see the SWB guys, I can’t comment on it, but I’m sure he has a point, judging from what goes on in Trenton. Franklin said something like, they have a count for these guys and we have to stick to them…so basically, the PC and manager’s hands are tied, and the PC isn’t allowed to do his job; not allowed to respond to the pitcher’s response to the game in front of him. Just a bad policy. I don’t know if Nardi sets these parameters, or someone higher up does, but it’s hurting those arms from fulfilling their enormous promise.

  12. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    These are the ‘best’ FA outfielders available next offseason:

    Hamilton
    Swisher
    Andre Ethier
    B.J. Upton
    Michael Bourn
    Shane Victorino
    Carlos Quentin
    Melky Cabrera
    ——————-

    Thanks for the list, Tom. Who would you guys take?

  13. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Alex’s milestone HR bonuses absolutely count against the luxury tax. Don’t know what GB is talking about.

    (4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses
    (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance
    Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly
    included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of
    the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance
    giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses
    shall not be included in the Average Annual Value calculation made
    pursuant to Section E(2) above.

  14. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Per Cots:

    Alex’s contract calls for $30M marketing agreement based on home run milestones ($6M each for reaching 660, 714, 755 and tying and breaking major league HR record)

  15. Yank 97 March 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Scouts yesterday had #Yankees’ Pineda at 88-91 – “and there was some effort to get to 91,” one said. Pineda averaged 94.7 last year. #MLB

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Re: Previous tweet on Pineda. Yes it’s early. But scouts were taken aback, asking each other if readings were accurate. #Yankees #MLB

  16. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Shame –

    I like Quentin – have since his days in Arizona.

    That said, I would probably pass on all of them.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Uncanny how Hughes is never televised. Sooooo frustrating.

  18. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    It’s part of the master plan.
    Showcase and hype them enough to trade them off…
    Why expose any potential weaknesses?

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    SHOUT OUT TO CHAD:

    Betances not throwing today?? Thought he was on same schedule as ManBan? Please let us know.
    ///

    The radar readings have no importance this early.

  20. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Yank 97 March 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Scouts yesterday had #Yankees’ Pineda at 88-91 – “and there was some effort to get to 91,” one said. Pineda averaged 94.7 last year. #MLB

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Re: Previous tweet on Pineda. Yes it’s early. But scouts were taken aback, asking each other if readings were accurate. #Yankees #MLB
    ———————-

    His first spring start – I’m not worried.

  21. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Alex’s contract calls for $30M marketing agreement based on home run milestones ($6M each for reaching 660, 714, 755 and tying and breaking major league HR record)
    ================================================
    Def a no go to 714.

  22. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Alex’s contract calls for $30M marketing agreement based on home run milestones ($6M each for reaching 660, 714, 755 and tying and breaking major league HR record)
    ================================================
    Def a no go to 714.
    —————-

    He’s at 629 now and has 6 years left on his deal. Even if he only averaged 20 HR/year he’ll still get there.

  23. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    morning all.

    I think ibanez will be given longer leash than that, it remain to be seen the 40 year can rebound and hit some in YS. I think the ever fragile will be next to get some ab if Iba flops. I am skepitcal on Jones ability to rh, in small sample size, he was less than average against RH pitching LY.

  24. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    He’s at 629 now and has 6 years left on his deal. Even if he only averaged 20 HR/year he’ll still get there.
    ==============
    I won’t be there to celebrate it.

  25. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    These are the 5 bonus targets at $6 mil a pop

    $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR
    2013 37 New York Yankees $28,000,000 $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR (660 homers)
    2014 38 New York Yankees $25,000,000 $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR (Mays)
    2015 39 New York Yankees $21,000,000 $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR (Aaron)
    2016 40 New York Yankees $20,000,000 $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR (Tying Bonds)
    2017 41 New York Yankees $20,000,000 $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR (Passing Bonds)

  26. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Yank 97 March 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Scouts yesterday had #Yankees’ Pineda at 88-91 – “and there was some effort to get to 91,” one said. Pineda averaged 94.7 last year. #MLB

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Re: Previous tweet on Pineda. Yes it’s early. But scouts were taken aback, asking each other if readings were accurate. #Yankees #MLB

    ————————-

    I hope it’s not another Hughes situation but like they said it is early. What was Doc hitting on the gun the other day if anyone knows?

  27. Crawdaddy March 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    ” hope it’s not another Hughes situation but like they said it is early. What was Doc hitting on the gun the other day if anyone knows?”

    Hughes wasn’t even coming close to 89-92 during his first outing last spring.

  28. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Speaking of Damon (from last thread)… has he even gotten/accepted an ST invite anywhere?

    Is he holding out for an injury to get a call closer to his price?

    Has anyone ever looked into a backlash against older, less desirable Boras clients?

  29. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    It’s not time to worry yet about Pineda.
    Maybe after his 2nd spring start but not the 1st…

  30. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “I hope it’s not another Hughes situation but like they said it is early. What was Doc hitting on the gun the other day if anyone knows?”

    I think I read this morning he topped out at 88.

  31. Erin March 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    ChrisShearnYES At BP in tampa…Chavez just screamed #allin after Russ Martin stung one – it’s catching on #yankees #giants

  32. Phranchise March 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Isn’t that essentially why there are no radar guns in spring training? It’s not like many of these hitters didn’t look ridiculous or couldn’t catch up at that speed. They need time to adjust as well.

  33. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    How Arod gets an extra 30m for 6 HR’s is ludicrous.
    How times have changed, this must appall Hal to no end.
    How did Hank get away with that?
    No wonder he has not been seen or heard from again.

  34. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “I hope it’s not another Hughes situation but like they said it is early. What was Doc hitting on the gun the other day if anyone knows?”

    I think I read this morning he topped out at 88.

    ——————————

    Thank you

  35. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    So marketing bonuses…… count against the luxury tax?

  36. Crawdaddy March 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Let’s remember, he threw 35 pitches yesterday. How many of them were fastballs, maybe 20 of them. That’s not many pitches to be concern about velocity.

  37. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank March 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Pineda didn’t break 91mph?!?!
    I’m no chicken little, but that’s odd.
    6’8 3 bills… Wtf

  38. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Like they will make that money back when the milestones appear.
    Fans are coming anyway.

  39. willwill March 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    typical, people looking for something to bash on

  40. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    So marketing bonuses…… count against the luxury tax?

    ————–

    They count against the luxury tax the year in which they are earned.

    If Alex received one of those bonuses next season for example his salary for luxury tax purposes would be 27.5 (AAV of his contract) + 6 (one bonus) = 33.5

  41. Chip March 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Speaking of Damon (from last thread)… has he even gotten/accepted an ST invite anywhere?

    Is he holding out for an injury to get a call closer to his price?

    Has anyone ever looked into a backlash against older, less desirable Boras clients?
    ——————-

    I don’t think it’s about Boras – Vlad and Matsui are both still unsigned as well and I don’t believe either are Boras clients.

    I just think the three of them aren’t content for part time roles or the salaries that come with them and are pricing themselves into retirement like Kenny Lofton and Jermaine Dye did.

  42. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    There’s a difference between marketing bonuses and the performance bonuses stated earlier.

  43. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Yeah, I get Vlad and Matsui, but one would think Damon would try to go somewhere, try to hit his way into more AB’s than perhaps initially penciled into (there are always injuries too), given his proximity to 3000.

  44. BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    JAP -

    IMO, Nardi Contreras is the main reason our young pitchers do not develop properly.

    As a long time AAA season ticket holder I’ve seen the constant removal of pitchers at the first sign of trouble, thus they never learn to work through tough situations. We saw this with Nova when he first came up, as well as others.

    It’s time to make big changes in the MiL system, or simply trade away the prospects for another teams properly developed SP. Its sad, but true.

  45. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    There’s a difference between marketing bonuses and the performance bonuses stated earlier.

    ——-

    Link or provision in the CBA??

  46. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Damon wants to play everyday.

  47. blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Halladay was like 86-88 on the YES gun the other day….is everyone freaking out about that? If he’s still 91 in a couple of weeks then you still to worry a bit…..not the first outing

  48. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    All Rodriguez and the Yanks are doing is splitting the money received from recordings (tape or DVD sales), photos and commemorative baseballs. Nothing different than selling autographed baseballs at cobession stand. He’s guaranteed $6 mil on each, whether they sell one dollars worth or 410 mil for each target.

  49. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Yanks might be dealing 1 of the B’s for Cain at the trade deadline.

  50. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....ng-payroll

    Boras rage against Wilpon, kinda of funny read coming from Boras.

  51. CountryClub March 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Keith Law just tweeted that he had Pineda at 93-96 last yr on 3/7.

    So while I’m still not worried about Pineda throwing 89-91 yesterday, he is down considerably compared to last yr at the same time of the season.

  52. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    cobession

    ***concession***

  53. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Surely you guys jest ?

    Worried about Pineda’s velo after 1 ST start.

    Too funny.

    I heard he had a hangnail Too. OMG.

    :)

  54. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    (4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses

    (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses shall not be included in the Average Annual Value calculation made pursuant to Section E(2) above.

  55. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Thanks LGY – That’s what I thought too… man this is gonna suck lol. At least the most it should be in one year is $5 million.

  56. blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    JAP,

    I agree with you on letting kids pitch through jams etc…..but with regards to Betances and Banuelos last year I think the main issue was that they were hitting their pitcher limits in the 5th by being so inefficient…..I expect that to improve this year and hopefully they’ll then be allowed to go deeper.

  57. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I wouldn’t take Law’s word that today is 6 March 2012.

  58. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Surely you guys jest ?

    Worried about Pineda’s velo after 1 ST start.
    =============================
    MTU
    Meet today’s sophisticated fan.
    Immediate gratification required.

  59. Tackelberry March 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Did they also see Pineda wincing in pain fter each pitch? When is the surgery? Will he pitch in 2013?

  60. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    By the way, Thome looked like weak sauce against Pineda’s high heat.

    Maybe the freakin’ gun was off ?

    Whatever.

    I heard there’s a Meteor out there that might collide with earth in about 40 yrs.

    I think some of you ought to start building underground shelters now.

    ;)

  61. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Did they also see Pineda wincing in pain fter each pitch? When is the surgery? Will he pitch in 2013?
    ======================
    That’s why we got Garcia.

  62. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Mick-

    Unbelievable.

    :(

  63. Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I wouldn’t take Law’s word that today is 6 March 2012.

    ——————————————————————-

    So Law points out something and instead of dealing with the issue he wrote about you attack him?

  64. blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    “Did they also see Pineda wincing in pain fter each pitch? When is the surgery? Will he pitch in 2013?

    What are you talking about.

  65. blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Let’s see where his velo is next outing

  66. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    MTU

    Don’t know if it’s a conspiracy by the “writers” to work fans up and make their jobs easier but any rumor is a good one, esp if it goes viral.

  67. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Tackelberry March 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Did they also see Pineda wincing in pain fter each pitch?

    ————————-

    You sure that wasn’t just his pitching face.

  68. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    What is the point of Pineda airing it out 1st time out?
    Think people.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
    JAP -

    IMO, Nardi Contreras is the main reason our young pitchers do not develop properly.

    As a long time AAA season ticket holder I’ve seen the constant removal of pitchers at the first sign of trouble, thus they never learn to work through tough situations. We saw this with Nova when he first came up, as well as others.

    It’s time to make big changes in the MiL system, or simply trade away the prospects for another teams properly developed SP. Its sad, but true.
    ///

    Big AL,

    If this is so, then I agree it’s time to re-appoint that position. What’s peculiar though, if this is dawning on you up in Scranton, and me down here in Trenton, and some “nameless” scout – is Nardi just given a free rein?

  70. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Blake-

    As long as it increases over time what’s the worry ?

    2 short starts is not a sufficient sample either.

    I actually can’t believe this is being brought up already.

    Yikes.

    :(

  71. upstate kate March 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    It was encouraging to see that Banuelos was allowed to pitch out of a jam in his ST game.

    It would seem to be more valuable to have experience doing that than reaching a particular number of pitches.

    If you allow a pitcher to exceed 100 pitches in one game, can you give them less work after? Either in their side sessions or their next start?

  72. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Why hasn’t Hughes pitched yet?
    Is he hurt?

  73. CountryClub March 6th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Again, I said it’s not time to worry. But the fact remains that his velocity was down in his last start last yr and it was down yesterday compared to his first start of last spring training.

    I was a supporter of the trade, so I have no agenda. All I’m saying is that it’s worth keeping an eye one. Law himself said not to worry for another 2-3 starts.

  74. Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    As long as it increases over time what’s the worry ?

    2 short starts is not a sufficient sample either.

    I actually can’t believe this is being brought up already.

    ———————————————————————

    If it raised eyebrows with scouts then some time should be spent on it. We went through the same garbage with Hughes and Joba

  75. Crawdaddy March 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Didn’t camps open up earlier last year as the season began earlier so who’s to say that Pineda’s performance from last March 7th was his first time out?

  76. blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    “I actually can’t believe this is being brought up already.”

    Oh I can believe it….what would Yankee camp be without changeup and velocity outrage

  77. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    le Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    I wouldn’t take Law’s word that today is 6 March 2012.

    ——————————————————————-

    So Law points out something and instead of dealing with the issue he wrote about you attack him?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    He remembers exactly what a rookie pitcher’s speed was from a year previously? Why? He claims the only games he sees are minor league and college games, but, he just happened to be there that day and remembers the exact speed?

  78. CountryClub March 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Hughes pitches today. He’s coming in after CC. Then he’s start on Sunday or Monday when the Yanks have a split squad game.

  79. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “If this is so, then I agree it’s time to re-appoint that position. What’s peculiar though, if this is dawning on you up in Scranton, and me down here in Trenton, and some “nameless” scout – is Nardi just given a free rein?”

    It is a bit crazy… I think we’ve been discussing the lack of solid coaching talent in the minors for a couple of seasons now. This is when the ‘I believe the organization knows what they’re doing’ argument falls flat for me… and (disclaimer!) there are plenty of times when I do agree with that line of thinking but this one is sort of a head scratcher. I’d like our miL affiliates to be like bootcamp for the big club.

  80. mick March 6th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    I was joking about Hughes.
    But that’s how rumors start, thanks for making my point.

  81. CountryClub March 6th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    GB7,

    Guys like Law (and I’m no fan of his) keep notes on people they scout. He would absolutely have a notebook with velocity readings. That’s what they do.

  82. blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Expect more velocity and CU talk withthe Hughes today.

  83. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    As long as it increases over time what’s the worry ?

    2 short starts is not a sufficient sample either.

    I actually can’t believe this is being brought up already.

    ———————————————————————

    If it raised eyebrows with scouts then some time should be spent on it. We went through the same garbage with Hughes and Joba

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Let me know when Law becomes a scout instead of a hack writer.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    JAP,

    I agree with you on letting kids pitch through jams etc…..but with regards to Betances and Banuelos last year I think the main issue was that they were hitting their pitcher limits in the 5th by being so inefficient…..I expect that to improve this year and hopefully they’ll then be allowed to go deeper.
    ///

    I’d agree in principle but some of these starts I’m talking about, Betances was in the flow, throwing easy, and disposed to get out of those jams. Even if he hadn’t, he wasn’t laboring and certainly could have hung in for a few more pitches. IOW, efficiency had returned. I can’t tell you how many times, in both Manny and Dellin’s starts, the infield has also contributed to high pitch counts. It’s the keystone cops some nights in Trenton. Case by case, they need to better monitor the given situation. They will never learn to rely on themselves, and that’s a shame, since they both have the weapons to escape those situations.

  85. blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    “Let me know when Law becomes a scout instead of a hack writer.”

    Anybody can sit there with a radar gun and write down the numbers…..which Im sure Law a year ago…..still don’t think its much of a concern at this point…..or really worth mentioning

  86. DONNYBROOK March 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Hard to imagine how “scouts?” actually evaluated a Chucker before the speed gun. The Game remains relative, and the best way to evaluate a pitcher, is the hitters reaction to his pitches. Philly was Not getting good hacks yesterday vs Pineda. The only relevance the speed gun should have, is in relation to what the pitcher’s MPH was previously, and the health of the player if there is a vast differential. We Know what we saw on the field yesterday. Philly hitters flailing at Pineda’s pitches. CASE CLOSED.

  87. BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    JAP -

    Nardi is, and has been, a big favorite of the FO, thus, they believe in what he’s selling, even though it’s garbage.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    It’s no use. If someone has a blog or is part of a faux scouting site, their opinion is uncritically accepted. If people want to believe Keith Law is smart, that’s their prerogative and their misfortune.

  89. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Expect more velocity and CU talk withthe Hughes today.
    ——————
    As excited as I am to see Pineda and Nova’s seasons this year…. Hughes’ performance has probably become the crux of a lot of things going forward for this club.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Big AL,

    It could be. I don’t have that information. All I know is, I don’t like the blind devotion to these pitch counts. They’re hurting these young pitchers. You can tell by Franklin’s comments, there’s no leeway and he just has a pat, politically correct response.

  91. Crawdaddy March 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Unfortunately, Pineda’s next game isn’t televised so we’re in for another segment about his velocity.

  92. blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    JAP,

    Yea I agree with that…..set pitch limits are dumb anyway. I don’t know how the Yanks handle these things and if they give their minor league managers the latitude to make a decision on when to pull a guy. Not all 90 pitch counts are created equally and the managers need to be given the authority to make common sense calls on how long a guy should go.

  93. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    I doubt it is Nardi’s decision alone to limit innings. This is being passed down from above.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    One thing is certain though: development has been unworthy of the talent assembled. The big price for that is now batting for the Seattle Mariners. Something has to change.

  95. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    • Facing another right-heavy lineup, Hughes didn’t use his changeup too often tonight, but he said he was happy with the handful he did throw. “The changeup definitely has its place,” Hughes said. “I didn’t change the slider to not have to answer any more questions about the (changeup).”- end of spring training 2007

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2011/03/page/7/

    hughes has been tinkering nonstop and it’s easy to see why he doesn’t have a god change up.

    he probably doesn’t use it much as indicated here.

    people who think these guys just go out and get a new plus pitch without an insane amount of work
    are naive ( though there are exceptions to the rule like wang mastering a sinkerball in a week).

    we will be reading about hughes for years as he tinkers. it’s his modus operandi at this point. he’s not a guy who simplifies and attacks with what he has. he’s always tweaking and this is why sometimes he’s good when a tweak is working and bad when a tweak isn’t.

    he’s like a golfer who’s always trying to change the way his ball flies by changing his swing and his swing thoughts.

    that said hughes could be good this year, but even if he is , it’ll saying nothing about when he moves on to the next tweak or fix next year.

  96. BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Nardi is the guy that guides the entire pitching program, period!

  97. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “I don’t know how the Yanks handle these things and if they give their minor league managers the latitude to make a decision on when to pull a guy.”

    If they’re passing down these conditions from the top all that tells me is they don’t trust their coaching staff in the minors…. one would think that’d be something they should address going forward though I do wonder if Torre didn’t scar the entire organization from ever trusting a coach with a pitcher again..

  98. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    One thing is certain though: development has been unworthy of the talent assembled. The big price for that is now batting for the Seattle Mariners. Something has to change.

    ————————

    JAP still fighting the good fight. :)

  99. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I am not worried about Hughes either.

    If he is healthy he’ll be fine.

    All indications are that he is.

    He worked really hard this OS, came to camp early, and is ready to kick a*s.

    Book it.

    ;)

  100. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Nardi is the guy that guides the entire pitching program, period!
    ====================
    how would you know that?

  101. BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    randy l. -

    Good to see you’re still on top of things.

    I want to know if you feel Hughes is at fault, or is it a lack of strong direction from the PC.

    If Hughes is not following the input from his PC and manager, I put the blame on him, but, if the PC and manager are content on allowing Hughes to make these decisions on his own, then lack of proper management is at fault, IMO.

  102. Wave Your Hat March 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    My guess is Hughes pitches a little better than he did in the second half last year, and a little worse than he did in 2010.

  103. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    When SJ was here ( he had lot’s of inside info.) he said that Contreras was a big “self-promoter”.

    I don’t think his opinion of Contreras was very good.

    From the take for what it’s worth news.

  104. Joe from Long Island March 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    good morning.

    from what i’ve read over the years, after every mil game, the coaching staff/manager submits a report of the game, focusing on how players performed. so, if a manager used a player in a way that went counter to the organization’s plan for that player, he – the manager – would be held accountable.

    if this is true, i don’t know that many managers would disobey the instructions from on high. minor league mangers and coaches are easily replaced.

    if anyone has any further input, i’d be happy to read it. with all the chatter about player development, the more we understand about the process, instead of infer/guess about, the better for discussion.

  105. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Worrying about Pineda’s velo is highly premature. Rothschild said he is only at 90% and the PC is kind of stating the obvious. Were Pineda to continue to exhibit low velo going forward then that would be a different story, especially with the drop at the end of last season. But no worries as of yet. Decent change I thought vs. Victorino, and the nice high heat K vs. Thome, but it is early. Excited to see Pineda’s next outing. I wish we were getting to see Hughes today. I really almost think the Yanks plan Hughes’ outings around no TV. This happened last ST as well. I wouldn’t get too hung up on Hughes’ radar readings early either, although sounds like the arm is stronger/sounder.

    Pruf, Big Al, agree about letting the pitching kids work through some jams especially in games where their pitch counts aren’t fatal. They are babied and I don’t think it’s productive sometimes. Marshall complained about the same thing.

    The game today is on mlb.com radio, correct? If so, who are the broadcasters? Hopefully not the Pirate announcers. The Phillies broadcast was woefully poor yesterday.

  106. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “• Ramiro Pena is getting time in the outfield today.”

    He can’t even hit enough to play SS.

    “Worrying about Pineda’s velo is highly premature.”

    You are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too kind.

  107. BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
    Nardi is the guy that guides the entire pitching program, period!
    ====================
    how would you know that?

    *************************************************************
    From speaking with the SP in SWB, as well as Dave Miley the manager.

  108. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I sense another Mutiny on the LoHud.
    Let’s now blame Nardi for all pitching problems.
    That’s the ticket.

  109. Crawdaddy March 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I’m starting to sour on Contraras too as I look for the 2012 season to be an indicator as to whether my opinion stays that way.

  110. yanks 27 March 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “One thing is certain though: development has been unworthy of the talent assembled. The big price for that is now batting for the Seattle Mariners. Something has to change.”

    Bingo.

    On a different note, there was the Mariners version of “30 Clubs” last night… couldn’t even watch it because of the inevitable shots of Montero hitting bombs in BP, interviews, etc.

    They better keep their hands off Pineda and let him do whatever the Seattle coaches taught him – if our instructors have their way – he’ll lose 2-3 MPH off his fastball, worsen his BB/K rates, and he’ll never develop a change-up.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am
    JAP,

    Yea I agree with that…..set pitch limits are dumb anyway. I don’t know how the Yanks handle these things and if they give their minor league managers the latitude to make a decision on when to pull a guy. Not all 90 pitch counts are created equally and the managers need to be given the authority to make common sense calls on how long a guy should go.
    ////

    Exactly. They’ve got to be more discerning. You know, I’m sometimes tempted, with some of these friendly scouts that sit near me, to ask more pointed questions, but it’s best to blend in, as you’re more likely to get real information by being discreet and keeping your ears wide open.

    I heard a whopper about a certain former PC, for example, which clearly wasn’t for my ears. Could it have been just sour grapes or mean spirited gossip? Sure – these guys are not immune, and it’s far more competitive, I think, than some people realize. Your wariness of “unnamed scouts” is well placed, I think. But what I heard rang true for me, based in my own observations. Still, it wasn’t meant for my ears, and I probably don’t have the entire story, any way. But I have been very tempted to talk to one of these guys beyond th sort of baseball pleasantries you exchange with someone sitting near you watching the same game. NC, who is a garrulous fellow, is easily approached. But he’s probably another one who is best overheard (hard to miss the exuberance and booming voice, if you’re anywhere close by).

  112. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    From speaking with the SP in SWB, as well as Dave Miley the manager.
    ======================
    I guess you can take that to the bank then…

  113. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    I’m not gonna take some of you hiking with me because you have trouble distinguishing the Forest from the trees.

    Can’t have that in the Wilderness.

    Gotta see the big picture. Can’t lose sight of the trail or the real Landmarks.

    :)

  114. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    What did Law say that is being discussed? Just checked his twitter which I usually don’t do, and saw this, LOL:

    keithlaw ? @keithlaw Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Nick2Slick Since it’s no secret where I grew up, and what team I grew up rooting for, the anti-Yankee bias accusations are endlessly funny.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am
    I sense another Mutiny on the LoHud.
    Let’s now blame Nardi for all pitching problems.
    That’s the ticket.
    ///

    No, for my part, I said I don’t know. So there goes your theory that it’s some blog-wide conspiracy. I know – it’s more fun for you the other way. Shucks :D

  116. BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Later folks, y’all have a great day.

  117. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    “Let’s now blame Nardi for all pitching problem”

    This is a very weak form of argument, trying to push the false premise that unless Contreras is responsible for all of their problems he is responsible for one of them.

  118. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    one = none

  119. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “Good to see you’re still on top of things.”

    big al-

    not exactly.

    those words by hughes were at the end of 2011 spring training.

    ultimately it’s on the pitcher himself. he can “shake off” the bad advice from a pitching coach if he wants. it is his career after all.

    hughes is a rich young man tinkering his way through his early mlb career. would i say he’s hungry for success? no , he doesn’t appear driven. he seems pretty content to be doing what he’s doing.

    that said, he’s ok and has his moments. this year may be one of them.

    where management comes in is they do need to set a standard for being a yankee. i’d say hughes is close to falling below this standard. they do let him slide. even if he goes to the bullpen , he’s still making big bucks.

    guys like CC and rivera are self motivated. hughes doesn’t seem like he’ll ever be like this. he just doesn’t seem to have that inner drive which if he doesn’t have it by now isn’t likely to get it.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
    What did Law say that is being discussed? Just checked his twitter which I usually don’t do, and saw this, LOL:

    keithlaw ? @keithlaw Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Nick2Slick Since it’s no secret where I grew up, and what team I grew up rooting for, the anti-Yankee bias accusations are endlessly funny.
    ///

    Yoohoo, Keithie!!! :D

  121. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....rt-1-of-2/

    It’s this combination of velocity and command that merits our attention.

    Coming up through the minors, Pineda always had control*. In 2008, as a 19-year-old, Pineda walked only 6.4% of the batters he faced at Class A Wisconsin. In an inury-shortened 2009, Pineda walked just 3.6% of batters faced in the High-A California League. Then, throwing 139.1 innings between Double- and Triple-A in 2010, Pineda walked just 5.9% of opposing batters.

    *Note: throughout this post, I use control (as represented by walk rate) as a proxy for command. While the two aren’t necessarily synonymous, the former is much easier to quanitfy, and thus must suffice for the present study.

    The thing that changed along the way wasn’t Pineda’s command, but rather his fastball velocity. In the 2009 edition of the Prospect Handbook, Baseball America reported Pineda’s fastball as sitting in the 88-92 mph range. By the next year, the bottom end of that range had increased, such that Pineda’s reported fastball velocity was up to 91-92 mph. Then, by the 2011 edition of the Handbook, Pineda’s velocity had jumped again — even more significantly — such that it now sat at 93-97 mph.

    Throwing a fastball at an average of about 95 mph while walking fewer than 7.0% of batters isn’t a particularly common occurrence.

  122. Erin March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Joba_62 Bullpen went great. Another 30 on Friday! Have to keep grinding! #newarm #newchapter #bew

  123. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    What did Law say that is being discussed? Just checked his twitter which I usually don’t do, and saw this, LOL:

    keithlaw ? @keithlaw Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Nick2Slick Since it’s no secret where I grew up, and what team I grew up rooting for, the anti-Yankee bias accusations are endlessly funny.

    ————————————————-

    I never knew he grew up a Yankee fan in Long Island. I thought he was from Beantown

  124. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    “@Nick2Slick Since it’s no secret where I grew up, and what team I grew up rooting for, the anti-Yankee bias accusations are endlessly funny.”

    So he bends over backwards to overcompensate? ;)

  125. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    BIG AL March 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    JAP -

    IMO, Nardi Contreras is the main reason our young pitchers do not develop properly.
    ======================================================
    J. Al…..sorry I like to have fun.

  126. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “So he bends over backwards to overcompensate?”
    _____
    Rich, and then has to tweet about it. The pressure must be getting to him… #overkill

  127. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    1. little early to be concern about Pineda velocity.
    2. I actually wont be surprised if he doesn’t maintain his 94.7 fb average from LY.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    If they’re passing down these conditions from the top all that tells me is they don’t trust their coaching staff in the minors…. one would think that’d be something they should address going forward though I do wonder if Torre didn’t scar the entire organization from ever trusting a coach with a pitcher again..
    ///

    Whose idea was it to raid the Tampa system? Blake’s? Yeah, at least the pitching portion of it :D .

  129. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Randy-

    I think you are selling Hughes a bit short.

    Injuries have sidetracked alot of his development.

    Could he have worked harder at times ?

    Absolutely.

    I don’t think he is a slacker in general.

    Maybe he is maturing a bit more slowly than some.

    It happens.

    This season is the real test.

    He can’t afford to fail this time out and I don’t think he will.

    ;)

  130. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Maybe Phil knows he isn’t as good as the hype he has received.
    This could effect his confidence and cause the tinkering.

  131. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    This season should be very interesting regarding Hughes because its not just about this year.. what he does this season is going to be critical for the organization going forward. Could be the difference between looking for another starter next year verse sitting tight.

  132. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    ” little early to be concern about Pineda velocity.”

    It’s like failing one of life’s little IQ tests.

  133. dogface March 6th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    So Law points out something and instead of dealing with the issue he wrote about you attack him?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    He remembers exactly what a rookie pitcher’s speed was from a year previously? Why? He claims the only games he sees are minor league and college games, but, he just happened to be there that day and remembers the exact speed?

    ===================================================

    He probably didn’t remember. Probably just checked his archives from 3/8/2011:

    Some notes from Monday’s Seattle-Oakland tilt in Phoenix:

    Michael Pineda is not yet the No. 1A to King Felix’s No. 1.

    • Seattle right-hander Michael Pineda showed a big fastball Monday, touching 96 miles per hour a few times and working mostly at 93-95 in his two innings. The pitch probably will play up because the ball appears quite late to hitters even though it’s not a classic delivery. Pineda struggled with command and especially with his breaking ball on Monday and threw just one changeup, a pin-straight offering at 88 that would grade out at a 35 if we wanted to go off that one sample. The slider was just very inconsistent; Pineda threw several with good tilt but didn’t locate them and got away with a few spinners, including one brutal hanger at 81 that a big league hitter could have jerked out of most parks. He has a few more weeks to make his case to be in the Opening Day rotation, but the two innings he threw on Monday did not show him to be ready for the majors; he’ll need more consistency on the slider and to show a much better third pitch.

  134. mick March 6th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Shame, Yanks are always on the radar for another starter and I’m sure they have someone in mind as we speak.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Erin March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    Joba_62 Bullpen went great. Another 30 on Friday! Have to keep grinding (SO I CAN BLOW OFF THIS POPSTAND SIXTH INNING BS GIG AND GET MY$$ELF A REAL JOB!)! #newarm #newchapter #bew(fixed) :D .

  136. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    I want Phil Hughes to succeed as a SP for the NYY’s.

    I believe he has the talent to do so.

    If he doesn’t I will not worry because of the depth we have behind him

    If Hughes falters and goes to the pen it would be a big letdown FWIS but betances might have a great season at AAA this year and be ready next year to fill that gap.

    And if he can’t perhaps Phelps or Warren can get ‘er done next season.

    In any case, I am pulling for Hughes.

    The more bullets we have the better off we are gonna be.

    :)

  137. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    “from what i’ve read over the years, after every mil game, the coaching staff/manager submits a report of the game, focusing on how players performed. so, if a manager used a player in a way that went counter to the organization’s plan for that player, he – the manager – would be held accountable.”

    a few years ago, while stan cliburn, rochester red wings manager, was sending in his after game report to the twins on his laptop i asked him why he took garza out after 75 pitches when he was cruising with a shut out in a game against pawtucket.

    stan looked at me and said that if garza’s pitch count would have hit 80 he would have been fired.

    so , that implies a pretty strong directive from above.
    the report didn’t take long, maybe twenty minutes ,and we and the rest of the coaching staff went to hooters for something to eat and drink.this is where the coaches really went over the game, at least that night.

    every organization is going to be different, but the way they do it at the minor league level is, i think, much more casual than you’d think.

    the red wings were spitting out mlb ready players right and left that year.

  138. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Erin March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    Joba_62 Bullpen went great. Another 30 on Friday! Have to keep grinding (SO I CAN BLOW OFF THIS POPSTAND SIXTH INNING BS GIG AND GET MY$$ELF A REAL JOB!)! #newarm #newchapter #bew(fixed) :D .

    ———————

    lol hilarious

  139. Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    What happened to ‘Linsanity’ on Sunday ? ?

  140. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Rich,in my humble opinion. control and command far exceeds the importance fb velo as long as u have movements on your fb and the velo is at ML average 90-91. but like I said, too early to assess anyone velo base on 1st sp appearance.

  141. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    If they’re passing down these conditions from the top all that tells me is they don’t trust their coaching staff in the minors…. one would think that’d be something they should address going forward though I do wonder if Torre didn’t scar the entire organization from ever trusting a coach with a pitcher again..
    ///

    Whose idea was it to raid the Tampa system? Blake’s? Yeah, at least the pitching portion of it .
    _______
    Good luck with that; the Rays baseball people from top to bottom are fanatically devoted to their Rays’ cause. #TB lifers.

  142. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    What happened to ‘Linsanity’ on Sunday ? ?

    ———————–

    Loss a close back and forth game?

  143. jr1212 March 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I just asked Law why no mention of Halladay velo in his first start and also asked if that was Pineda first start last year….no reply yet

  144. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    to add to that, it’s the reason I think Betance needs lot more work bef anyone bequeath him a ML ready product.

  145. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    would i say he’s hungry for success? no , he doesn’t appear driven. he seems pretty content to be doing what he’s doing.

    where management comes in is they do need to set a standard for being a yankee.

    guys like CC and rivera are self motivated. hughes doesn’t seem like he’ll ever be like this. he just doesn’t seem to have that inner drive which if he doesn’t have it by now isn’t likely to get it.

    ___________

    Oh, the rich irony.

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Bingo.

    On a different note, there was the Mariners version of “30 Clubs” last night… couldn’t even watch it because of the inevitable shots of Montero hitting bombs in BP, interviews, etc.

    They better keep their hands off Pineda and let him do whatever the Seattle coaches taught him – if our instructors have their way – he’ll lose 2-3 MPH off his fastball, worsen his BB/K rates, and he’ll never develop a change-up.
    //////

    Yanks, 27,

    O O O! I’m sorry/glad I missed it. :( :D

  147. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “It’s like failing one of life’s little IQ tests.”

    rich in nj-

    the act of logging into this blog is probably failing one of life’s little IQ tests. :)

  148. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    If they’re passing down these conditions from the top all that tells me is they don’t trust their coaching staff in the minors…. one would think that’d be something they should address going forward though I do wonder if Torre didn’t scar the entire organization from ever trusting a coach with a pitcher again..
    ///

    Whose idea was it to raid the Tampa system? Blake’s? Yeah, at least the pitching portion of it .
    _______
    Good luck with that; the Rays baseball people from top to bottom are fanatically devoted to their Rays’ cause. #TB lifers.
    —————————-

    Crap :(

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Best,

    We gotta laugh to keep from cryin’ in this life sometimes ;)

  150. Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I just asked Law why no mention of Halladay velo in his first start and also asked if that was Pineda first start last year….no reply yet

    ———————————————————–

    Halladay isn’t entering his second full year

  151. blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    So basically Law thought he had good velocity but was pretty much awful otherwise off of one ST appearance a year ago….now he’s tweeting that his velocity is down from last year. …..ok….file it in the useless info section Keith.

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    jr1212 March 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
    I just asked Law why no mention of Halladay velo in his first start and also asked if that was Pineda first start last year….no reply yet
    ///

    LOL

  153. Erin March 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Is Law just really bored today or something? ;)

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
    I just asked Law why no mention of Halladay velo in his first start and also asked if that was Pineda first start last year….no reply yet

    ———————————————————–

    Halladay isn’t entering his second full year
    ///

    If he’s still throwing 91 in April, I’ll worry.

  155. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “Rich,in my humble opinion. control and command far exceeds the importance fb velo as long as u have movements on your fb and the velo is at ML average 90-91. but like I said, too early to assess anyone velo base on 1st sp appearance.”

    Ca$h

    Velo matters because it reduces a hitter’s margin for error by a lot while increasing the pitcher’s, and they paid a premium price for it, but until about April 15th, I wouldn’t worry.

  156. Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Pineda’s first start in ST and people here b*tching about what his velocity is ? What a joke from the couch potato contingent here.

  157. Tackelberry March 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I agree Alfred

  158. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Phil Hughes being under-motivated/lazy vs. Jesus Montero being under-motivated/lazy

    Ready…. GO!

  159. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    if cashman got all his pitching development people together and they formed a band it would be called “Brian and the Kiss Asses”.

    seriously folks, what do you expect from the minor league system when a guy like cashman who knows zilch about pitching cleans house and puts people in charge that he feels is loyal to him- which means in his mind people who are deferential to him.

  160. Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Loss a close back and forth game?

    ================

    Close game yes, Lin got shut down by Rondo.

  161. dogface March 6th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    now he’s tweeting that his velocity is down from last year

    ============================================

    He’s not tweeting it at all. He was merely responding to the dozens (most NYY beats) who have been tweeting it all day. Law also tweeted its of no concern unless Pineda is still 89-91 two or three starts from now. Some of you get awfully touchy when these national writers aren’t ballwashing the Yankees.

  162. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    @Joelsherman1: asked 2 #Yankees execs who confirmed @ken_rosenthal that Pineda 88-91 mph yest, but said not worried because 1st start/no winter ball (cont)

    @Joelsherman1: but remember that early on last yr, Yanks downplayed Hughes’ low readings and it was a troubling sign. So interesting how this plays out.

  163. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Loss a close back and forth game?

    ================

    Close game yes, Lin got shut down by Rondo.

    ——————————-

    Yes he did physical point guards have had their way with him.

  164. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    JAP-

    Boy is that ever true.

    ;)

  165. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Phil Hughes being under-motivated/lazy vs. Jesus Montero being under-motivated/lazy

    Ready…. GO!

    ___________

    I can entertain both scenarios.

    I can’t embrace one and dismiss the other.

    That’d be cherry-picking, hence, the irony.

  166. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    @Joelsherman1: but remember that early on last yr, Yanks downplayed Hughes’ low readings and it was a troubling sign. So interesting how this plays out.
    __

    This is the bad Sherman (who I have said, is a very good reporter), overgeneralizing from a sample size of one to make a lame point.

  167. blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “. Some of you get awfully touchy when these national writers aren’t ballwashing the Yankees.”

    No….I just get annoyed when non stories are perpetuated and blown out of proportion

  168. Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Yes he did physical point guards have had their way with him.

    ——————————————————————————

    Physical? He has getting hammered when he drives to the basket with hardly any fouls called. The crap Miami got away with in the first quarter against him was a crime

  169. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Yes he did physical point guards have had their way with him.”

    Dude’s essentially a rookie playing his first 20 games.

    He’s gonna be shutdown, he’s going to have bad night all by his lonesome.

    The idea that if he doesn’t do it every night then he’s exposed a fraud is in utter ignorance of NBA basketball.

  170. yanks 27 March 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    It is not uncommon for young pitchers to have fluctuating velocity though. It’s not like Pineda has a terribly large sample to discern his true stable velo. either.

  171. blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Hughes’s issue wasn’t a concern after one start last spring…..when he was still throwing 87 in late March it was a concern…..if Pineda’s velocity doesn’t improve then sure you wonder what’s going on….but on March 5 in his first outing its a complete non story especially when he threw the ball pretty well otherwise.

  172. dogface March 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    No….I just get annoyed when non stories are perpetuated and blown out of proportion

    ============================================

    Understandable. Don’t think you’re directing your irritation at the right individual in this case.

  173. willwill March 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Pineda was also a rookie trying to make the team last year…

  174. Yank 97 March 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    JonHeymanCBS
    Funny to see the #pirates announcing the big signing ($51.5M, mccutchen) with the cost-conscious yankees on field in background

  175. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Yes he did physical point guards have had their way with him.

    ——————————————————————————

    Physical? He has getting hammered when he drives to the basket with hardly any fouls called. The crap Miami got away with in the first quarter against him was a crime

    —————————————————————

    True there have been a lack of calls for him.

  176. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    seriously folks, what do you expect from the minor league system when a guy like cashman who knows zilch about pitching cleans house and puts people in charge that he feels is loyal to him- which means in his mind people who are deferential to him.

    _________

    I’d expect I’d be skeptical of a conspiracy theory perpetuated by someone with no credibility and an admitted bias.

  177. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I am not buying that Hughes lacks inner drive. More about his learning how to pitch over time, to not just throw and the many injury setbacks he’s encountered. His success at lower levels might not have prepared him for the majors; maybe because he was so untouchable there–swing and miss stuff.

    But all I know is that he rarely threw a changeup when I saw him pitch in the minors, and who exactly is at fault for that? I wish Rothschild had had his hands on Hughes going backwards. Rothschild is a big advocate of the changeup and also gets that it is sometimes a long process to acquire a decent one. He would have had Hughes throwing it in the minors come hell or high water. Not that he can’t learn it now. But I have the patience to find out. Do the Yanks? Epic fail if Hughes end up in the pen so prematurely.

  178. blake March 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Understandable. Don’t think you’re directing your irritation at the right individual in this case.”

    If Law was just answering a question then fine….I don’t think he has an agenda on it most likely…..unlike the starving wolves in NYC

  179. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Yes he did physical point guards have had their way with him.”

    Dude’s essentially a rookie playing his first 20 games.

    He’s gonna be shutdown, he’s going to have bad night all by his lonesome.

    The idea that if he doesn’t do it every night then he’s exposed a fraud is in utter ignorance of NBA basketball.

    —————————————–

    That’s true I agree. He’s going to have off games. Ppl forget he is still learning on the job.

  180. DONNYBROOK March 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    The continued focus on numbers, (speed gun this time), and NOT what actually occured on-the-field is typical of most the Posters here. Pineda had some control problems, but Philly couldn’t even catch up to his heater with 3-1 counts. Martin receiving Pineda is a work-in-progress. Both Pineda’s control, and Martin’s getting used to Pineda, are to be expected this early in ST. Yanks are definitely gonna have to work with Pineda on holding runners close. AL East teams will run him outta the Park. Girardi continued his search for a LH reliever to couple with Logan, and Pena continued to show his value defensively. Actual observations, Not numbers.

  181. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Folks, how many rounds we going to do on “there is nothing to worry about yet”.

    There is NOTHING to worry about yet.

    Continuing to harp on the topic betrays that sound position.

  182. dogface March 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    JonHeymanCBS
    Funny to see the #pirates announcing the big signing ($51.5M, mccutchen) with the cost-conscious yankees on field in background

    ==========================================

    Heyman is far too easily amused.

    That said, that is just a tremendous deal for the Pirates. Also have an option for 2018 at $14.5 million. Means they basically get 7 prime seasons for $66M.

  183. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “Whose idea was it to raid the Tampa system? Blake’s? Yeah, at least the pitching portion of it .
    _______
    Good luck with that; the Rays baseball people from top to bottom are fanatically devoted to their Rays’ cause. #TB lifers.”

    actually the yankees had a key rays pitching coach lined up to be their mlb pitching coach . neil allen was told he had the yankees pitching coach job at one point only to be given the bullpen job instead and then fired by cashman after a year .

    all allen has done since is have every home grown rays starter go through him. he’s now their triple pitching coach.

    any inference that i have inside information would have to be wrong because we all know that i know no one in any position in professional baseball.

    actually i use a baseball quija board to create what sound like real conversations with these people.

  184. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    *ends up

  185. Erin March 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    JackCurryYES Girardi said Pineda hit 92 w FB on Mon so mgr isnt worried about velocity. “And we expect that to get better,” Girardi said.

  186. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Considering the fact that the Yankees have such great pitching depth relative to most teams there seems to be a lot of anxiety on the part of some about the staff for so early in the season.

    CC
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Hughes
    Nova
    Garcia
    Phelps
    Warren
    Mitchell

    What’s the problem ?

    Has anyone even gone down yet ?

    ;)

  187. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    “That said, that is just a tremendous deal for the Pirates. Also have an option for 2018 at $14.5 million. Means they basically get 7 prime seasons for $66M.”

    Yup….fantastic job by the Pirates…..and does Heyman really not think the Yanks would have done that deal as well….

  188. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Reliance on a few scouts’ radar guns is highly overrated. They are so variable.

  189. Wave Your Hat March 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Pineda was really throwing harder than the radar guns reported. The radar guns are notoriously anti-Yankee.

  190. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “JackCurryYES Girardi said Pineda hit 92 w FB on Mon so mgr isnt worried about velocity. “And we expect that to get better,” Girardi said.”

    Now, I’m worried.

  191. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    pineda had a bad outing yesterday?

    i thought i saw high heat blow away thome.

    pineda has potential problems , but yesterday wasn’t one of them.

    it was first day throwing in a game.

  192. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    randy, if any of that is even remotely true, why is this the first time you’ve mentioned Neil Allen?

  193. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    pineda had a bad outing yesterday?

    i thought i saw high heat blow away thome.

    pineda has potential problems , but yesterday wasn’t one of them.

    it was first day throwing in a game.

    ————————

    See Randy doesn’t hate Pineda.

  194. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    randy mentions Neil Allen about as often as Kim Kardashian marries.

  195. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “Reliance on a few scouts’ radar guns is highly overrated. They are so variable.”

    this is true, but people expecting 97 out of pineda are going to be disappointed if he stays a starter.

    he’d probably be 97mph out the the bullpen, but that’s not going to happen much as a starter.

    think a half mph faster with the fastbal than buchholz and that’s pineda.

  196. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    OT
    blake, you think Harper be in the big this year?

  197. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    With Pineda’s FB command he doesn’t need 97 very often.

    He can live just fine avg. 94 MPH.

    That slider is pretty wicked too.

    :)

  198. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Law’s yucking it up at your expense.

    He’s a self stylized ‘Renaissance Man’.

  199. Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Pineda is done. Send him to hang with Nick Johnson and Ecic Chavez. :lol:

  200. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “randy mentions Neil Allen about as often as Kim Kardashian marries.”

    rich in nj-

    i never knew the guy, did not help get him him first pitching coach job, did not introduce him to his wife, and was not told he was hired by the yankees to be a pitching coach on a golf course when he waived me over at sunrise golf course in sarasota ,fla.

  201. DONNYBROOK March 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    - Doggy -
    I thought the SD\Maybin signing was even More significant.

  202. Deal With It March 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    s/b……Nick Johnson and Eric Chavez.

  203. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    randy

    You have brought him up with regard to Wang, right?

  204. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Bowden is at Ms camp….said there is no question who the best hitter there is and when Montero hits you need cotten balls in your ears because its so loud :(

  205. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Blake-

    You are becoming a Masochist.

    :)

  206. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Bowden is at Ms camp….said there is no question who the best hitter there is and when Montero hits you need cotten balls in your ears because its so loud :(

    ——————————

    I wish Sanchez was closer to the bigs.

  207. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “You have brought him up with regard to Wang, right?”

    no. i never sat with him in rays camp a few years ago as he told me exactly about the day he showed wang the sinker.

    i also never heard that wang used to call him after almost every yankee game to get advice from allen.

  208. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “Bowden is at Ms camp….said there is no question who the best hitter there is and when Montero hits you need cotten balls in your ears because its so loud ”

    It’s was incredibly dumb, but I’m trying to move on!!!!!!!!!!!

  209. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    He also said though that the Yanks won the trade because they got a #1 starter

  210. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    blake, yes, first thing I noticed when I first saw him play was the sound when the ball hit the bat. :(

  211. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    *bat hit the ball :lol:

  212. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Rich-

    Live in and lament the past and what might have been at your own peril.

    ;)

  213. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    randy

    I think something about a grassy knoll is missing from your narrative.

  214. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Best, IMO JR is closer.

  215. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Ms best all around hitter might be Dustin Ackley this year if they leave him at second.

  216. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Interesting to see where we put all these catchers re: minor league levels. A good problem to have. :mrgreen:

  217. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Phil Hughes being under-motivated/lazy vs. Jesus Montero being under-motivated/lazy

    Ready…. GO!

    ___________

    I can entertain both scenarios.

    I can’t embrace one and dismiss the other.

    That’d be cherry-picking, hence, the irony.
    ———————-

    Lol, exactly stuckey.. not that you’d know it by reading some of the posts on here.

    I hope both turn out to be great players…. and Montero gets to be a FA at some point lol.

  218. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Read now

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-velocity/

  219. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Fem – What’s your take on Murphy? Is his bat for real?

  220. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    He also said though that the Yanks won the trade because they hope they got a #1 starter
    _____
    Fixed. and then still debatable. ;)

  221. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Interesting to see where we put all these catchers re: minor league levels. A good problem to have.
    ——–
    Interesting to see how many actually will be adequate defensively to remain at catching.

  222. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Best, IMO JR is closer.

    ————————

    How good is he what is his ceiling?

  223. Wave Your Hat March 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    “Best hitter in M’s camp” is not necessarily high praise.

  224. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    MTU March 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am
    JAP-

    Boy is that ever true.
    ///

    Ris donc paillasse! Very hard sometimes, (and I don’t mean baseball).

  225. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Shame, yes, very good AB’s, advanced hitter, great plate discipline, can hit to all fields. I saw him in A, but haven’t seen him in a year. But doesn’t have the power of Sanchez at all and won’t but should add more. I hope I get him in Trenton by the end of this season.

  226. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    The future of the Yankees not only share high expectations, they shared a room. Last year, at Double-A Trenton, Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos lived in a large two-room, $2,200 per month apartment with teammates, Melky Mesa and Jose Pirela.

    Betances and Banuelos would stay in one room, while Mesa and Pirela had the other.

    “On the road, Manny was my roommate, too,” Betances said.

    Betances, 23, would wake up at about 10 a.m. for a 7 p.m. game. Often, he and Banuelos would have lunch.

    “I’ve known him for a long time,” Banuelos said. “This is the third year play together. He is a nice person. He is a nice buddy.”

    Having grown up in the city, Betances, who turns 24, takes a leadership role with a lot of the Spanish-speaking players, helping them understand their leases and other tasks that are made more difficult being in a foreign land.

    “I try to help the Latin and Spanish guys because a lot of times they don’t know how to fill out the application [for the lease,]” Betances said. “That is why a lot of times I stay with them.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....n-betances

  227. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    *A-, that is.

  228. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    JAP-

    yes sir. I understand completely.

    It is why I try my best to take as little as I possibly can seriously.

    ;)

  229. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    est To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Bowden is at Ms camp….said there is no question who the best hitter there is and when Montero hits you need cotten balls in your ears because its so loud

    ——————————

    I wish Sanchez was closer to the bigs.
    ///

    Me too, but he’s not the pure hitter Montero is.

  230. jacksquat March 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    This game is not on mlb.tv, is there anywhere online I can watch it?

  231. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    LGY, nice story; the two B’s when they’re both not pitching are inseparable at the ballpark too.

  232. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    No TV. I think the game is on mlb.com radio only. At least I hope so.

  233. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Aw, Betances seems like a really good kid.

  234. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Bowden is at Ms camp….said there is no question who the best hitter there is and when Montero hits you need cotten balls in your ears because its so loud
    ////

    I suddenly seem to be coming down with something.

  235. Melk Man March 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Dellin is awesome. He’d be a megastar here considering he is form the area

    Unfortunately, he’s probably going to be an ace for Colorado or Milwaukee or Kansas City or something.

  236. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    YF-

    Shakespeare wrote about them.

    2B’s or not 2B’s ?

    that is the question.

    For the Yankees at least.

    ;)

  237. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    what % of writers make their living off of starting NY Yankee controversy?

    and they’ll keep doing it as long as people buy into that crap.

    enough already…

  238. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    LGY,

    Great link

  239. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    Interesting to see where we put all these catchers re: minor league levels. A good problem to have.
    ——–
    Interesting to see how many actually will be adequate defensively to remain at catching.
    _____
    Depends on who is defining “adequate.” Most of the good defensive ones don’t have bats. JR seems to have improved this year, but haven’t seen the progress in person, just based on what I have read. When I saw him in Charleston mid season he was very green, Sanchez actually looked better than him, but that was a sss. Probably Romine is the most well rounded one right now. Interesting to see if Higgy’s bat advances. But Sanchez if we let him catch still has to be the favorite along with JR right now. If Sanchez can catch, he will be a beast. Although still both young, I’d like to see what Bird and Tejeda look like though.

  240. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    MTU – Well played, sir :D

  241. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Fangraphs write up suggests a couple of things….1) Pineda maybe takes a little while to loosen up in games (ala Verlander) 2) he’s interested in being a pitcher…..and nit just somebody who goes out and throws hard….probably some King Felix influence there.

  242. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    http://nymag.com/daily/sports/.....-mean.html

  243. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    I hope both turn out to be great players…. and Montero gets to be a FA at some point lol.
    ///

    luis is on the job. He’s going to use his persuasive powers to bring him home. In six years, he’ll be approaching his prime and Alex will be out, and Cano will be 35.

    The Jesus rides home in a blaze of glory to assume the mantle he was deprived of and born for.

  244. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Best as I can tell, David Price, Matt Moore and James Shields made 18 combined start in the minors with Neil Allen as their pitching coach (Price 9/Moore 9/Shields 0). All were pretty good before getting to him.

    Could be a very, very good pitching coach. Saying all the Rays good pitchers “went through him” is a bit of am exaggeration for effect.

  245. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Okay let’s say Harper makes the Nationals out of ST.

    Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?

    ;-)

  246. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    JAP-

    “the “mantle” he was deprived of and born for.”

    Little unintended pun there.

    Freudian slip maybe ?

    :)

  247. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    what % of writers make their living off of starting NY Yankee controversy?

    and they’ll keep doing it as long as people buy into that crap.

    enough already…
    ___
    Well, people take the bait and post based on very shaky conjecture (oxymoron). Who cares about these writers’ fabricated controversies! If we ignored them, they would go away. Posters have more clout than writers these days anyway. They writers take their cues from Lohud posters, don’t they? ;)

  248. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    *The* writers…

  249. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?”

    ———–

    whichever one signs first.

    Harper has said he’s always wanted to be a Yankee… and he seems like the kind of guy who would relish the spotlight and that other fans would love to hate…

  250. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Okay let’s say Harper makes the Nationals out of ST.

    Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?
    ____
    Both will get locked up by their teams long term. Signing your own position players is the new black. #Canoplug :)

  251. Crawdaddy March 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    “Me too, but he’s not the pure hitter Montero is.”

    I don’t think there is much difference between the two of them.

  252. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    YF, I was mainly thinking about Murphy and Sanchez. I think both are valued because their offensive potential in a offense starved position. by adequate i am thinking if they realize their offensive potentials I be happy if both can catch at a Posadaesque defensive level. time will tell they both a 2-3 year away imo.

  253. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    ““Best hitter in M’s camp” is not necessarily high praise.”

    ————

    Isn’t that like being the best MLB analyst at ESPN?

  254. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Or the best girl PeteAbe’s ever hooked up with?

  255. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?”

    Whichever fits the budget

  256. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    YF-

    Shakespeare wrote about them.

    2B’s or not 2B’s ?

    that is the question.

    For the Yankees at least.
    ______
    MTU, I will take [those] arms against a sea of troubles, for sure. ;)

  257. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Have good day people.

    Gotta run.

    Catch you all later for the Hughes report.

  258. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?”

    Thank god we have 6 years to find out if Montero can catch! Otherwise it’d be a gamble..

  259. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “Best hitter in M’s camp” is not necessarily high praise.”
    _____
    As if… :roll:

  260. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    YF-

    “Carpe Diem”.

    Later.

    :)

  261. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?”

    Montero.

    Though Harper would be a better fit I’m 99% sure that his agent (Boras) is looking to break the all time AAV and years for a contract given out when he reaches free agency in a few years.

  262. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    JAP-

    “the “mantle” he was deprived of and born for.”

    Little unintended pun there.

    Freudian slip maybe ?
    ///

    MTU, discretion is the better part of valor ;) . (PS More of a Jungian ;) )

  263. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    “Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?”

    Thank god we have 6 years to find out if Montero can catch! Otherwise it’d be a gamble..
    _____
    Better to have seven or eight, no? #don’tberash

  264. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    They’ll be a new CBA in 6 years…..we may not be able to afford either of them

  265. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Scouts yesterday had #Yankees’ Pineda at 88-91 – “and there was some effort to get to 91,” one said. Pineda averaged 94.7 last year. #MLB

    USS MAriner blog had Pineda’s velocity in his first spring start last year mid 90s and touching 97. That does not mean Pineda has to start fast this year, but last year he was throwing hard in his very first start.

  266. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Melk Man March 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Dellin is awesome. He’d be a megastar here considering he is form the area

    Unfortunately, he’s probably going to be an ace for Colorado or Milwaukee or Kansas City or something.
    ///

    Would serve some who call him a bullpen arm right if he went somewhere else and beasted. He’s not going to any bullpen unless he’s a Yankee and Billy Eppler is calling the shots….oh, wait…

    Trade him.

  267. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “They’ll be a new CBA in 6 years….”

    ———

    yeah, and it wouldn’t surprise me if by then they make the draft in alphabetical order every season to further screw the Yanks.

    The B-rewers, with the 6th pick in the draft…

    the Y-ankees, with the last pick in the 1st round select…

  268. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    They’ll be a new CBA in 6 years
    ———-
    I hope they amend IFA and draft system, kinda stinks overall right now imo.

  269. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    USS MAriner blog had Pineda’s velocity in his first spring start last year mid 90s and touching 97. That does not mean Pineda has to start fast this year, but last year he was throwing hard in his very first start.

    _______________

    And don’t think we don’t all appreciate you rehashing what has been discussed extensively the last hour.

  270. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    “Six years from now, who ya targeting – Montero or Harper?”

    Thank god we have 6 years to find out if Montero can catch! Otherwise it’d be a gamble..
    ///

    Montero position: batter’s box.

  271. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    MTU March 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    YF-

    “Carpe Diem”.

    Later.

    ______
    Qui audet adipiscitur :D

    SYL

  272. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    They’ll be a new CBA in 6 years…..we may not be able to afford either of them
    ———————–

    That at least leaves room for hope that the players will educate themselves in the next 6 years and not agree to these bone-headed pacts.

  273. stuckey March 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Question for the field:

    What should I concern myself over in the next 45 minutes.

    1.) CC’s velocity
    2.) CC’s change-up
    3.) CC’s weight?
    4.) What happened to the Music Factory?

  274. blake March 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    “Montero position: batter’s box.

    True. Most important position

  275. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Randy, was Neil Allen considered a member of the Yankees Tampa Faction?

  276. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    @MarcCarig: Girardi is admittedly protective of his players. But he was open about his frustration with Phil Hughes for reporting heavy last year.

  277. blake March 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “That at least leaves room for hope that the players will educate themselves in the next 6 years and not agree to these bone-headed pacts.”

    Maybe….but the trend has always been to make things harder for the Yankees.

  278. willwill March 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Brien taylor threw 99mph once, now he’s in jail for selling crack.

    Damn that radar gun!

  279. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    stuckey – I’d go with mystery option #5: the budget!

  280. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    blake March 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “That at least leaves room for hope that the players will educate themselves in the next 6 years and not agree to these bone-headed pacts.”

    Maybe….but the trend has always been to make things harder for the Yankees.
    —————–

    And while I understand that, I also have to think that the CJ Wilson situation might reverberate…. if the Yankees aren’t bidding, you’re not going to get as much cash.

  281. willwill March 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Harper will be a yankee in 2018 or 2019? At least i won’t be in my 50′s by then. And then the legend of Harper raking balls all over the stadium will be with me hopefully for another 20 years

  282. yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Game is on Pirates’ radio/mlb.com

  283. DONNYBROOK March 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Montero has NO position. Harper has several. Easy choice, CASE CLOSED.

  284. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    And don’t think we don’t all appreciate you rehashing what has been discussed extensively the last hour.

    Well it seemed a lot of people were like ‘WHO CARES?’ and ‘Keith LAw doesn’t know anything!’ When actually Pineda having a slow fastball this time of year is unusual. So it merits some concern, or atleast something to monitor :) Wanted to get my 2 cents in and share an alternate source other than Keith Law, since apparently he is trying to lie to us about the yankees.

  285. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    And for the velocity, both Joba & Hughes started camp before with poor velocity and then it never got back to where they were. So Maybe we’re going to be dealing with a 92 mph pineda instead of a 95 mph pineda.

  286. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    I am pretty pysched to see what Harper can do at AA and AAA, not quite sure the nationals will bring him up this year.

  287. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    And don’t think we don’t all appreciate you rehashing what has been discussed extensively the last hour.

    Well it seemed a lot of people were like ‘WHO CARES?’ and ‘Keith LAw doesn’t know anything!’ When actually Pineda having a slow fastball this time of year is unusual. So it merits some concern, or atleast something to monitor Wanted to get my 2 cents in and share an alternate source other than Keith Law, since apparently he is trying to lie to us about the yankees.
    ///

    JF, he could have a case of the sophomore blues, but the first ST game appearance is kind of jumping the gun (so to speak). One is always concerned about the second season of any ML starter, but we have to give it a little more of a trial.


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