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Seeing Kuroda for the first time (again)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When Hiroki Kuroda steps on the mound tomorrow afternoon, the Yankees will have completed their first trip through the spring rotation. They start over again with Ivan Nova on Thursday, and Joe Girardi said everyone’s pitch counts should be bumped up 15 pitches (more or less going from two innings to three).

“I still think it’s too early (to evaluate the next time through),” Girardi said. “I think you have to give them a couple of outings because you throw 30 pitches and two innings, you might not be able to work on anything. You want them to be able to work on their pitches and get some sides in between and get on a normal rotation, it should be helpful.”

In some ways, the last Yankees starter to get on the mound is a bit of a curiosity. Kuroda is one of the new guys, but he’s also a 37-year-old who’s been pretty consistent in his four previous big league seasons, including an interleague start against the Yankees in 2010.

“I think I’ve got a pretty good idea what I’m going to see, but I still want to see it,” Girardi said. “From just when I watched his bullpens and his (batting practice), it was no different than what I remember when we were preparing to face him. But you want to see it again.”

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84 Responses to “Seeing Kuroda for the first time (again)”

  1. J. Alfred Prufrock March 6th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I’m having some red bean ice cream in honor of Hiroki.
    ///

    Now that Hughes has fed the vultures on conditioning woes, maybe they’ll leave the kid alone.

  2. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    ” maybe they’ll leave the kid alone”

    I hope so. He’s more delicate than a Faberge egg

  3. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Pat M., you have some professional playing experience in the game of baseball, no? In that sense, you have a perspective that few of the rest of us have… you have said that you love the trade of Montero/Noesi for Pineda/Campos, haven’t you? But that’s not my question.

    It seems like you talk to a number of former pro players, scouts, and other assorted people who have a background in the game of baseball. Of all the people you’ve discussed the trade with, has anyone said to you that it was an awful trade for the Yanks? A bad trade? A borderline 50/50 trade? Have any of these professional baseball people told you that they thought it was a good trade for the Yanks? Or even better than good?

    Just curious. I’m just a fan — a casual fan, if you will — so I feel it’s useful to hear perspectives from professional types once in a while to add to the information coming in. Thanks!

  4. RMS March 6th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    He’s more delicate than a Faberge egg

    ———————————————————————————————–
    Sounds more like AJ than Hughes. At least with Hughes you won’t have hit batters, wild pitches, pitches in the dirt, walked batters and implosions at any time.

  5. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “so I feel it’s useful to hear perspectives from professional types once in a while to add to the information coming in. Thanks!”

    “so I feel it’s useful to hear perspectives from professional types once in a while”—— in a lame attempt to gain credibility when really all I want to do is twist the knife in the back of the pro Montero traders every chance I get.

    //fixed

  6. Pat M. March 6th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Nick in SF…….Everyone I spoke with about the trade thinks the Yanks acquired a future Ace / Top of the rotation guy that every time he takes the hill has the potential to throw a no hitter……..However, the consensus was the Yanks gave away a real good stick……Most guys didn’t think Montero is going to round out to be much of a catcher, in fact the attitude was he’ll be a liability…..But he’ll be an impressive force when he digs into the box but he’s a one way player….Seattle needed a bat to hit as they have plenty of outstanding young arms in their system…..Campos is the guy they were shocked was included……

  7. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Pat M, thanks. So no one thinks the Yanks were fleeced?

    Tar, don’t be a baby, please. You’re off base on the target of the knife, if indeed there is a knife, and even more off base about trying to “gain credibility” — for what? From whom?

  8. Pat M. March 6th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Tar…..A little surprising coming from you…..

  9. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Did I hit a nerve Nick? Not like you to get flustered.

    “Off base on the target of the knife”

    Hmmmm

    Ok Nick what was your motive?

    “Just curious”? “Useful to hear perspective ”

    Yeah ok sure I believe that.

  10. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    “Off base on the target of the knife”

    Why not past Nick’s whole quote?

  11. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    paste

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    It seems that since Anthony rejoined the lineup things have gone south. I’m not necessarily putting in on Anthony as much as I wonder about the mix.

    Meanwhile, the Knicks went on quite a run.

    Maybe it depends on the night and the opposition but I like the lineup when Fields, Novak and Shumpert are in the mix. And of course Jeremy Lin.

    Speaking of “fragile” Lin gets knocked around like a ragdoll! He’s horizontal as much as he’s vertical.

  13. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Tar, you did not hit a nerve and I’m not flustered.

    Maybe you need to dial back the Defcon Five combat mode and think a little.

    If one was so inlined, there are opportunities to pour salt in the wound (a less violent metaphor than “twist the knife” and also a better one, since I didn’t insert the knife to begin with — maybe a needle?) just about every other minute.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    And thre are also nights when the ball just doesn’t seem to drop. Like tonight.

  15. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Chris Webber is funny, for those watching this game on NBA.TV.

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    And Melo rejoins and things fall apart again.

    What gives here?

  17. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    “Tar…..A little surprising coming from you…..”

    Pat

    I like Nick— usually a lot ( unlike Tin cup ). But I am starting to be able to tell when he’s up to something. There was an ulterior motive, and I don’t think it was so innocent.

    If I’m wrong, my apologies.

    Tom

    I put in what I thought was the relevant thought, if you think differently have at it.

  18. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Thanks Mike D’antoni.

    Second unit brings the Knicks back to take the lead and he takes them out.

    Also nice of Melo to be visibly sulking on the bench as his team came back.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Yeah I don’t know what it is about Melo, but I don’t see him as a huge team player.

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Just terrible to be down by 4 and within a few minut4es to be down by 11!

  21. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    “Maybe you need to dial back the Defcon Five combat mode and think a little.”

    Nick

    I’m standing down, now no ambushing on your part. Ok deal

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Tar, without being extremely explicit, I actually appreciated Nick’s post. I’m thinking it was a well-placed one.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    In fact, I smiled heartily when I read it.

    **********

    This game was just awful. Maybe D’Antoni has to think about staying with his second line more often, or at least using them and adding some of the first to it but not using the entire first line.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    The fact of the matter is that Pat M definitively has the experience and connections, IMO, but you’d never know it by reading his posts…

  25. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Tar, you’re not crazy. Of course there was an ulterior motive in my questions to Pat M. and how I asked them, although I was genuinely curious if he’d heard much diversity in opinion about the trade or it was all pretty much in agreement that the Yanks got the best of it.

    I didn’t think I was really being very subtle, to tell you the truth. Think about it.

  26. RMS March 6th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    SJ 44, come back, we miss you.

  27. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    IMO, but you’d never know it by reading his posts…

    Do you skip all the ones where he mentions it?

  28. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    I get it Nick. And I am not taking sides. But the end doesn’t justify the means.

    Sorry if I was out of line. Goodnight everyone

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    “Do you skip all the ones where he mentions it?”

    Best I can say is that I’m not here 24-7 but I can say that when I am here, I never see him name drop.

  30. Bronx Jeers March 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Nick, you’re not ambushing people with your lame, credibility seeking, knife in the back twisting, pro-Montero-trade ways again? :wink:

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Tar, I’m not saying you were out of line. I just read his post differently is all.

    :)

  32. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Kind of sad but Melo is on the verge of becoming the new ARod in NY.

    He’s probably going to get crucified in the papers tomorrow.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    The question remains then whether Melo has the ability to get out of his own way and change his game. I see the different configurations and just about all seem to be like a relatively well-oiled machine, but when he’s out of the floor I don’t ever get the sense of t-e-a-m. I get the sense of 4 players and Melo.

  34. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Best I can say is that I’m not here 24-7 but I can say that when I am here, I never see him name drop.

    Ok well as someone who is here quite often, I can tell you he name drops talking to so and so and such and such quite often. He just does it in a more respectful manner than Randy.

  35. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    It’s less dangerous than using my camera to ambush Yankee-hat-wearing thugs in the ghetto.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Name dropping always makes me queasy, especially when entire posts are devoted to name dropping.

    And coming from the Show Me state (not literally) I always wonder if any part of name-dropping is fiction. It’s easy for someone to post on a forum where nobody knows her or him and say all kinds of things. Who knows how much is true.

    I know there are posters here who say they love hearing some of those stories but I’m definitely not one of them.

  37. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Wow. Melo bolted from the arena without talking to reporters. Can’t do that as a team captain.

  38. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    but he’s also a 37-year-old who’s been pretty consistent in his four previous big league seasons
    —-
    consistently good IMO. hopefully for one more year.

  39. Bronx Jeers March 6th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    “A curious phenomenon has emerged at the intersection of fashion, sports and crime: dozens of men and women who have robbed, beaten, stabbed and shot at their fellow New Yorkers have done so while wearing Yankees caps or clothing. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09......html?_r=1

  40. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Randy is trying to name drop as a form of transference, “I talked to this guy so I must know more about this than you!” rather than Pat M’s name dropping as a means to convey some information he reportedly heard from the source.

    Usually about Joba being a reliever, or Hughes being in really good shape :twisted:

    I trust the latter more than the former. The former just isn’t trustworthy. I wouldn’t bet with him thats for sure.

  41. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    consistently good IMO. hopefully for one more year.

    Kuroda has the stuff to be good. I look at him like an Andy Pettitte type but with better stuff. He has pitched for a long time, doing it in a harsh environment in Japan, and then managing to do even better in a harder league in the majors. Now he is facing the ultimate test, doing it for the Yankees.

    With his good command, and nasty split finger I don’t think the Yankees should have any worry about him being lost in translation.

  42. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    Interesting. West Coast gangs have adopted baseball caps of different franchises as ‘their cap.

    Here is an article on it: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=mlb

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    I’m watching Watch What Happens: Live, and Sandra Bernhardt just did her nightly schtick and used a word (two words?) that I think sums the whole thing up: self promotion.

    I cannot stand self promotion. It makes my skin crawl.

  44. Best To Ever Do It March 6th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    LGY March 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Wow. Melo bolted from the arena without talking to reporters. Can’t do that as a team captain.

    —————————-

    Not good at all

  45. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    JF, the only thing about Kuroda that worries me is he is indeed 37, I would not overtax him inning wise during the regular season. by that I meant keep him at about 180-200.

  46. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Taking pictures of people in Yankee hats used to be a relaxing hobby, but it’s turning into this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzORu1dqEE0

  47. Bronx Jeers March 6th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Nothing can top Mohammed Al Bibi in terms of baseball cap/gangster imagery. :shock:

  48. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Pat M,

    I’d love to hear more about your conversation with Bret Boone (and ?) on the trade…. if you’re in the mood to share tonight.

  49. BD (Boston Dave) March 6th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Sorry Aaron Boone. Oops

  50. Nilsson March 7th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Melo is sorta caught in-between right now. He wants to play team ball, but isn’t use to playing without it. Needs to move without ball especially when they trap Lin. It seems like there’s a bounty on JLin’s head when he drives the lane nowadays. Melo must pick up some slack.

    Nice to hear Hughes velocity reading. I’m expecting a big bounce back season for him.

  51. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 1:08 am

    If they find a way to move to robots instead of refs, the NBA would dramatically improve.

  52. UnKnown March 7th, 2012 at 2:23 am

    SJ44 Has Spoken –

    @sportsJC16
    #Yankees fans: Do me a favor. Stop panicking. Pineda’s gun readings are meaningless right now. Act like you know something about baseball.

  53. Deal With It March 7th, 2012 at 7:04 am

    Lot’s of Carmelo Anthony banter. The Knicks will never win a championship with Anthony. He is a one dimensional, selfish, individual players who plays no defense. Easy to see that the Knicks were playing better as a team when he was injured. Trading him now while you can get a decent return would be a good thing.

  54. MaineYankee March 7th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    According to my sources it’s not hard to go from the BP to being a SP.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....its_a.html

    For those with a weak stomach you may not want to read it.

    It gives a visual that may haunt you and keep you up at night. :D:

  55. Deal With It March 7th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    s/b….individual player

  56. MaineYankee March 7th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Deal With It March 7th, 2012 at 7:04 am
    Lot’s of Carmelo Anthony banter. The Knicks will never win a championship with Anthony. He is a one dimensional, selfish, individual players who plays no defense. Easy to see that the Knicks were playing better as a team when he was injured. Trading him now while you can get a decent return would be a good thing.

    ———————————————————————-

    It sounds like Denver doesn’t miss him.

  57. dogface March 7th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Wow. Melo bolted from the arena without talking to reporters. Can’t do that as a team captain

    ============================================

    In fairness, after quickly bolting after the game, Anthony did return later and speak w/ reporters.

  58. Deal With It March 7th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    It sounds like Denver doesn’t miss him.

    ———–

    Same reason Denver got rid of him, the Knicks are seeing it now. His act is tiresome as he drags down his teammates.

  59. Deal With It March 7th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Melo bolted from the arena without talking to reporters. Can’t do that as a team captain

    ————————

    And that would be because it is all about him, all the time.

  60. MaineYankee March 7th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Is Melo the team captain?

    I guess the Knicks saw some leadership skills there. :D:

  61. Deal With It March 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Is Melo the team captain?

    —————–

    Probably bought off his teammates with bribes to become Capt. and make it even more about him. The guy is a cancer.

  62. Yankee Trader March 7th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Nice piece on the active career BABIP leader at .262.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....yFnEvB6fYI

  63. blake March 7th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Mo is the man….they’ll never be another like him…..he’s a total outlier at the closer position.

  64. PacoDooley March 7th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    MaineYankee March 7th, 2012 at 7:09 am
    According to my sources it’s not hard to go from the BP to being a SP.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..its_a.html

    For those with a weak stomach you may not want to read it.

    It gives a visual that may haunt you and keep you up at night. :

    ———————————————

    I assume you are referring to the priceless comment:

    “[John] Lackey walks around with no pants on and bounces a baseball and eats peanut butter and jelly,” Bard said. I’ll just try and be me, whatever that is. Kind of find it. … I don’t think you ever quite figure out what to do with that time. Most guys try and keep their mind off the game.”

    I like the comment that he may not be the best role model…

  65. Yankee Trader March 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Wonder which Yankee closer would be considered the 2nd best in Yankee history ?
    Sparky Lyle
    Goose Gossage
    Luis Arroyo

  66. blake March 7th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    I would have to think Gossage….though he probably still thinks he’s #1

  67. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Arroyo wasn’t around long enough. Close race between Lyle and Righetti.

  68. dogface March 7th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Probably Lyle a little ahead of Gossage.

  69. Yankee Trader March 7th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    I guess I was excited about Arroyo’s 1961 stats 15 wins and 29 saves on my favorite Yankee team of all time

    One season Yankee wonder.

  70. blake March 7th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    What if Kuroda only throws 89 today? PANIC!

  71. upstate kate March 7th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    What if he doesn’t throw any CUs? Double panic! He will have to be sent to AAA ;)

  72. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    “Mo is the man….they’ll never be another like him…..he’s a total outlier at the closer position.”

    blake-

    there are not many like him.

    none exactly like him.

    but at different times there have been others

    mantle, yogi, dimaggio, gehrig … rivera

    yes he belongs to this select group

  73. Yankee Trader March 7th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Article from NY Times why Dave Righetti was switched to bullpen.
    Pascual Perez :)

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12.....038;src=pm

  74. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    In fairness, after quickly bolting after the game, Anthony did return later and speak w/ reporters.

    ——–

    Didn’t know that. Good for him.

  75. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    What if Kuroda only throws 89 today? PANIC!

    —–

    KURODA keeps himself in midseason form 365 days a year.

    /legendofKURODA

  76. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    i’d go with ryne duren as the second best closer.

    just kidding , but he had two years of 75 innings at 2.02 and 1.88 era – 20 saves one year (1958)

  77. blake March 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Randy,

    Let’s say you get 5 faces for the Yankees Mt. Rushmore does Rivera get on there? Does Jeter?

    Mine would be Babe, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Jeter. Love Mo….but the role and position he plays just doesn’t hold the value of those great position players IMO.

  78. blake March 7th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    KURODA should show Hughes his splitty

  79. 86w183 March 7th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    As Yankees Righetti had 224 saves, Gossage 151 and Lyle 141

    Gossage (2.14) had the best ERA, Lyle (57) had the most wins.

    I got to see all three and Gossage was the most dominant, but all were excellent.

    Of course Sparky is a little extra special since the Yanks got him in a trade with BAHSTUN for Danny Cater!

  80. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    rhighetti would be the second best , but he came at a bad time with no championships.

    i must have liked gossage at some point, but his mouth in recent years has made me forget if i did.

  81. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    has there been a better combined pitcher/pitching coach career than righetti’s ?

    he’s had an amazing run out in san francisco.

  82. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    “Let’s say you get 5 faces for the Yankees Mt. Rushmore does Rivera get on there? Does Jeter?”

    gehrig, dimaggio, berra, mantle, rivera

    these are my 5

  83. 86w183 March 7th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Hector Lopez, Horace Clarke, Ed Whitson, Jerry Kenney and Tim Leary

  84. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    :arrow:

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