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Tuesday notes: “I didn’t want any excuses”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi didn’t exactly rip Phil Hughes this morning, but he did address the fact that Hughes wasn’t in great shape last spring. Girardi talked about expectations, entitlement and work ethic, and Girardi more than implied that he wasn’t happy with the way Hughes approached last spring.

“There’s a concern,” Girardi said. “The thing is, I’d seen him work very hard before. But yeah, it does question where their mindset is. Where’s their mindset?”

This spring?

“I think you could tell by the way he came into camp that there’s a little bit more of an edge,” Girardi said.

After the game, Hughes was very good about addressing those conditioning concerns. It’s not the kind of thing players like talking about, but Hughes touched on a little bit of everything, from the disappointment of last season to the notion that complacency might have played a role.

“Last year was a failure and I didn’t want to do that again,” he said. “I didn’t want any excuses coming into spring. I needed to be strong and I needed to pitch well, so that’s on me. Everyone can want you to succeed as much as they want but at the end of the day I have to go out and do it.”

On last winter’s training program: “Maybe I thought I needed more rest than I really did in that off-season. Maybe just didn’t push it as hard as I could have. At the end of the day, it falls on me, and I paid for it with a disappointing year.”

On this winter’s training program: “I don’t think there was necessarily a message sent in my direction. I did my offseason program on my own. I actually had to call the team and make sure it was OK that I did it. So it wasn’t like I was being punished and sent to boot camp somewhere. It was something I wanted to do.”

• In his first spring start CC Sabathia allowed hits to the first three batters he faced, then he retired the next five. “I’ve still got a little work to do, but my arm feels good and my body feels good,” Sabathia said.

• Someone asked whether Sabathia can more easily dismiss some of those first-inning hits because they were helped by the wind. “No because the two balls that were outs in the next inning were crushed,” he said. “It’s just baseball.”

• Hughes was at 38 pitches when he came out of the game in the third inning. He laughed about Larry Rothschild’s trip to the mound that inning. “That was kind of a stall there, a little bit,” Hughes said. “I think he talked about the hitter that was up there. I’m pretty sure he was making it all up.”

• With Hiroki Koroda pitching tomorrow, the Yankees starters will slide into their regular five-game routines. It’s pretty much the usual rotation — with Hughes and Sabathia on the same day — from here on out. Girardi said Sabathia might pitch in a minor league game when it comes his turn next week.

• Despite the fact he played today, Derek Jeter said he’s planning to play tomorrow. He didn’t explain, but it’s pretty easy to look at the schedule and figure out why. Tomorrow and Friday are home games. Thursday and Saturday are on the road. Jeter might not be Mariano Rivera, but he’s got some clout.

• Girardi said he didn’t think Mark Teixeira was scheduled to play tomorrow, so if he’s out of the lineup, don’t read anything into it. Today’s thumb incident — he jammed his thumb a little bit applying a tag — seems to be a non-issue.

• George Kontos came through long toss yesterday with no problem. He was cleared today to resume full workouts with core work and regular lifting. He’ll do long toss again tomorrow and hopes to be in a bullpen within a few days.

• Zoilo Almonte’s perfect spring training came to an end with an 0-for-1 afternoon. He was 5-for-5 until now.

• None of the Yankees had more than one hit. Justin Maxwell and David Adams each had doubles — Adams’ came off former Yankees prospect Dan McCutchen — and there were singles from Jeter (first hit of the spring), Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Melky Mesa, Chris Dickerson and Ramiro Pena. Mesa showed off his arm a little bit, throwing out Jake Fox at third base from center field.

• Brett Marshall had the pitching line of the day with 1.2 hitless innings. Graham Stoneburner allowed a run on four hits through two innings and Chase Whitley gave up three runs and five hits in the eighth.

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49 Responses to “Tuesday notes: “I didn’t want any excuses””

  1. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Marshall has a PHD in biomechanics and Kinesiology from Michigan State. He was a professor there for years and now runs a clinic for pitchers on how to avoid injuries. He has refused to be a pitching coach because as he puts it, “I got tired of appeasing the stupid” referring to baseball front offices.

    There are too many sites and articles to post, but here’s one.

    http://www.drivelinebaseball.c…..-marshall/

  2. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Question, how many top power pitchers threw basically only 2 pitches?

    Kershaw, Randy Johnson, David Price? Those guys had an advantage being left handed hard throwers though.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Sandy Koufax, Ron Guidry and Bob Gibson were two pitch pitchers.

  3. MTU March 6th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    GB-

    He’s an Iconoclast.

    They are never popular.

    We have talked about him on and off for years now.

    I enjoyed watching those videos you told me about.

    Smart Man.

    Ahead of his time. Unconventional.

    Not the kind Pinheads like to hire.

    ;)

  4. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    jerkface-

    peterson was with the mets from 2004-2008

    2003 10th- no rick peterson

    2004 7th peterson

    2005 3rd peterson

    2006 3rd peterson

    2007 7th peterson

    2008 6th peterson( half season)

    2009 12th no rick peterson

    there were 16 teams in the league.

  5. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Great insight, Pete G.

    MLB MLB
    “The @Tigers are going to hit bombs … they should be the most powerful team in the AL Central,” says @pgammo: http://atmlb.com/AaOXcP

  6. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Doesn’t scream greatest pitching coach in the league.

  7. luis March 6th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    luis March 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    Randy,

    Thanks for the link….It was a very good read.

    JF,

    I wasn’t implying that you were against structure, if you did i apologize. You are right that there is no evidence that the Yankees don’t have a plan, as i mention before i think they have learned from their mistakes or appears to be that way . But i think the jury is still out there, let’s see how this new wave of prospects turns out before we throw them to the wolfs.

    I would say this though, it seems that the prospects that turn out the best are the ones that fly under the radar ( Nova, Drob).

    I do agree as well that there is no standard way to develop pitchers, after all they are individuals. But i think the mental state is key for a pitcher to be succesfull…Not always the prospect with the best stuff ends up being the best pitcher, and that is because the mental aspect is the most important part of the pitcher game IMO.

  8. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Luis,

    I didn’t mean to imply you did. I was just picking up something you said to get a message out to the blog as a whole, as I know Randy was probably itching to suggest I was against structure despite the fact I was arguing against a specific point of contention in his original post and not the concept as a whole.

  9. luis March 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    *wolves* Jesus my spelling is awfull

  10. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    “Doesn’t scream greatest pitching coach in the league.”

    i think if you look at ricky peterson’s overall body of work he’s in the top five of the past twenty years.

    you know the oakland years were exceptional

    i won’t even bother to look them all up. but 3 2 1 were hi last years there

  11. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Rick Peterson is a fine pitching coach, and I would never object to his hiring by the Yankees, but to assume Pineda or Hughes would have been uniformly successful under him is folly as it has been shown he had trouble reaching some of his pitchers. And it is also folly to assume the Yankees do not have goals for their pitchers to reach.

  12. Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Peterson is probably the closest thing to a sabermetric pitching coach.

  13. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    “*wolves* Jesus my spelling is awfull”

    you’ve been reading gb7′s post haven’t you?

    many a lohud bloggers spelling has turned to crap after making that same mistake.

    he’s a bad influence.

  14. luis March 6th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    :D In my case i don’t think it’s his fault, LOL

  15. randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    “Peterson is probably the closest thing to a sabermetric pitching coach.”

    yes, i know that.

    on the other hand ,ricky has a huge amount of old school in him too.

    his dad was harding peterson

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....(baseball)

    i didn’t realize it untill reading the wikipedia link, but while i wasn’t his roommate, ricky’s dad was the yankee general manager.

    harding petersen was a long time pirates farm director and ricky grew up around the pirate players.

    i’m sure peterson isn’t done with being a pitching coach.

  16. luis March 6th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Jerkface March 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    Peterson is probably the closest thing to a sabermetric pitching coach.

    ——————————————

    Probably is, but i think more than numbers you have to identify those with the proper make up and the right psicological state of mind, i’ll give you some examples:

    I think Nova, Joba, Drob have it……I think Hughes has a frail state of mind….I am about to get grilled

  17. luis March 6th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    randy l. March 6th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I agree with that, there are things that can’t be measure

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Wow Peyton Manning and the Colts are getting a divorce.

    :(

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    “Probably is, but i think more than numbers you have to identify those with the proper make up and the right psicological state of mind, i’ll give you some examples:

    I think Nova, Joba, Drob have it……I think Hughes has a frail state of mind….I am about to get grilled”

    I think I couldn’t agree more with what you’ve said. Boomer had it too. AJ was fragile. I think you are right about Phoi too. I think he’s a quiet and senstive guy. He’s always shown that he takes things to heart. Real hard worker too.

    Here’s what I don’t get – or maybe I do get it. How did Hughes go from being dominant to ineffective? Did the league figure him out and the lack of an out pitch caught up with him? Or did he do too much tinkering a la Girardi saying he had to finish off the hitters and screw himself up in the process by paying too much attention to adding another pitch and his repertoire suffered in the process?

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Phoi, also spelled phooey, was really supposed to be Phil.

    :)

    Phooey!

  21. luis March 6th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Hi Trish!!,

    I made a post about what i thought happened to him , so if you don’t mind i’ll just copy it.

    luis March 6th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    yankeefeminista March 6th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    luis, but is the tinkering Hughes’ idea or someone else’s? See, AJ. Again, we just don’t know, do we?

    +++++++++++++++

    YF,

    I did answer on the game thread, but since it was my third try i didn’t like how it came out, so i’m going to give it another try, would love to know what you think about it.

    I think both Hughes and the team have something to do with the tinkering, i’ll tell you why:

    1)On one hand you have Hughes who after the harmstring injury wasn’t the same (it had a lot to do with not projecting his left leg far enough IMO). As a result his stuff lacked movement, bite and life, so he got hit hard and lost faith in his stuff, so he starts tinkering with it and adds another pitch to complement his FB (the cutter), because the curveball doesn’t work as well (too loopy…not sure if it was a result of using the knuckle curve instead of the power CB he used previously due to his hesitation to push forward and finish the pitch)and probably lost the feel for the CU.

    2) On the other, you have an organization that has a “win now” mentality, so they start suggesting or ordering him to use different grips in an effort to help him regain his pre-injury stuff, because they need him to perform, adding more pressure to the one that i think he already is putting on himself.

    This combination IMO is the one responsible for Hughes not fullfilling his promise so far.

    The most important thing in a pitcher is his poise, the believe that he can actually get people out that comes from trusting the stuff he has, and that trust comes from constant practice and repetition of your pitches and mechanics. If you keep changing grips is imposible to master a particular pitch, so a pitcher can’t have confidence in it and everything goes down from it.

  22. luis March 6th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    I might add that having that frail state of mind didn’t help with his situation, you usually find out about the make up when you see them how they handle adversity, using again Nova as an example, he was demoted last season even though he didn’t deserve it….What did he do?….kept on working hard. I still remember the way he stood up to Bautista in his debut….That’s the bulldog mentality you need to have to succeed in such a hard enviroment.

  23. Against All Odds March 6th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Wow Peyton Manning and the Colts are gettinga divorce

    —————

    Why the sad face?

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    luis – I think that’s an extremely cogent description and one it’s hard to shoot holes into. I think that there are certain personality types that are more susceptible to having tinkering mess with their minds and their eventual pitching.

  25. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    It’s a fresh start to a new year. I think talk of Hughes demise is a little premature. Using words like frail or ineffective after 1 ST start may come back to bite you.

    Consistency is what Hughes needs. Injuries, his role and who knows what, have all led to him having a very inconsistent career.

    But many, including me have seen him up close and in beast mode. He can dominate when he’s right. I think if healthy and with a consistent role he can do that again.

    I’m just not buying he’s mentally frail that’s why he’s been inconsistent theory.

  26. Bo knows March 6th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    The sequence of events on Hughes – Rafael Chaves taught Hughes the cutter in AAA.

  27. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Tar March 6th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    It’s a fresh start to a new year. I think talk of Hughes demise is a little premature. Using words like frail or ineffective after 1 ST start may come back to bite you.

    Consistency is what Hughes needs. Injuries, his role and who knows what, have all led to him having a very inconsistent career.

    But many, including me have seen him up close and in beast mode. He can dominate when he’s right. I think if healthy and with a consistent role he can do that again.

    I’m just not buying he’s mentally frail that’s why he’s been inconsistent theory.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Tar,

    For the record….I’m not discarding, quite the contrary i think he was misshandled….All i’m saying is that some other pitchers have better mental make up. I do think he can still be a good pitcher, he just have to stop doubting his stuff and stick to a plan

  28. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Paralysis by analysis, move on from Hughes already. If he revert back to beast mode, good. If not, next. it’s march 6… Let’s see what he is got on July 6. Will he be the first guy who did not realize his potential on the ML level? No. Just move on and see what happens a few months down the road.

  29. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Bo knows March 6th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    The sequence of events on Hughes – Rafael Chaves taught Hughes the cutter in AAA.

    ====================

    thanks for that piece of information….Also i like to point out that this mental make up thing came up because i was reading a Rick Peterson profile where it basically stated that he concentrated both in the phisical aspects of pitching and the psicological side of it. I happen to agree that as in all sports, the mental state of the athlete is the most important for long term success….Tiger Woods was the best player in the PGA not because of his technical prowess, but because he had the toughest mindset of all.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “Using words like frail or ineffective after 1 ST start may come back to bite you. ”

    Tar, this has nothing to do with his outing today, at least my comments didn’t. We’ve been talking about personality types, pitching coaches tinkering, etc. And I personally have tried to figure out what exactly went wrong with Hughes. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

    You know that I like to think on various levels.

    :)

  31. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Good point, but i’m not evaluating his performance today. We were just talking about what happened to him in the past. and the motives that might have lead to that.

  32. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Luis, this wasn’t directing at you but as general. as we stand, we are talking about a guy who had one very good full ml season who is slotted to be their fifth starter this year. My attitude is wait and see. I am not interested how he arrives at this point but rather, where he goes from here. But, feel free to carry on. It gets little repetitious to analyse Hughes to death when there are 24 other guys on the team whom may just be of equal importance than Hughes.

  33. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Np Cash….But believe me it was touching a broader point

  34. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    The kid lost his velocity after having a huge innings jump. He had injuries to his core. He was a starter than a reliever than a starter again. All this happening in his early twenties. I believe all these things have played a much more important role in where phil is at right now, than metal fragility.

    Now everything is in place for him. Like Phil said no excuses. So yeah, let’s see where he’s at in July.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :D

  35. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Tar March 6th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
    The kid lost his velocity after having a huge innings jump. He had injuries to his core. He was a starter than a reliever than a starter again. All this happening in his early twenties. I believe all these things have played a much more important role in where phil is at right now, than metal fragility.

    Now everything is in place for him. Like Phil said no excuses. So yeah, let’s see where he’s at in July.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    ==========================

    Good enough for me ;)

  36. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    So what’s up with this Payton Manning divorce from the Colts?, i thought he was their franchise player. Is it him that wants out or the team cutting ties??

  37. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Tar,

    At least we are not speaking about you know who!! :D

  38. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    STAT looking like his old self in the first half!

    Unfortunately though there must be some cosmic rule to torture Knicks fans that him and Melo both can’t play well at the same time.

  39. Tar March 6th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    “At least we are not speaking about you know who!! ”

    Luis

    :D We can change that :twisted:

  40. Cashmoney March 6th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    A year ago, I advocate the signing of Kuroda and Benoit as FA, It did not happen. A year later,The Yanks have Kuroda. I personally think Kuroda’s stuff will translate anywhere. With a 91-95 mph moving fb and a nasty slider I think he will ultimately give us some needed veteran assurances behind in CC this season and if we lucky enough, in the playoff. I am interested to see what he can do this season in the AL.

  41. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “This new paying in losses meme is not going to benefit you, Randy.”

    I’m surprised he didn’t call you pretentious for using the word “meme” and then spin some misplaced analogy that just suggests that catchers are dumb. :neutral:

  42. luis March 6th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    I’m not going there!!…Good night everyone! Go Yankees! :D

  43. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “STAT looking like his old self in the first half!”

    Great to see, isn’t it?

  44. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Great to see, isn’t it?

    ——–

    I may have spoke too soon.

  45. Pat M. March 6th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Nick in SF…..Be ready for at least 15 In-N-Out Double Doubles this summer….

  46. Nick in SF March 6th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Pat M, I’d like to ask you a question over in the new thread. :arrow:

  47. LGY March 6th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    It’s amazing how predictable this Knicks team is.

    This starting 5 just isn’t working.

  48. Duh Innings March 7th, 2012 at 1:49 am

    Here’s to Hughes being a solid fifth starter in 2012 so he can build on that for 2013.

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