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Soriano pitching today

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 07, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have decided that Rafael Soriano will pitch in todays game. He was originally scheduled to throw a side today. That leaves Mariano Rivera as the only projected big leaguer still waiting to get in a game.

Soriano and Hiroki Kuroda will make their first appearances today.

 
 

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141 Responses to “Soriano pitching today”

  1. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    You guys can take whichever 2B you want from Yankee history…..ill take robbie and my team will be better at the position…..he’s got some longevity to go sure but he’s already the best player to play that position for the Yankees…..he’s still working on the best career part.

  2. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Ok – who is your favorite player in the league who is not nor has ever been a Yankee. Not who you think is the best player – but if you had to root for one guy who would it be. For me it has to be Torii Hunter he always seems to be having a good time out there – just seems like a good guy all around. Runner up might be CJ Wilson just because of his comments in the playoffs two years ago about how Cliff Lee joining the Rangers impacted him as a pitcher, “Well before Cliff got here I was a right handed throwing second baseman.” And a firm nod to Chipper Jones for two reasons 1) love the name and 2) love that he named his kid Shea because of how much he owned that stadium…it’s the ultimate middle finger to an opposition.

    Least favorite is a tie between Roy Oswalt and Jonathan Papelbon (actually any closer who has massive histrionics on the mound)

  3. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Blake-

    I’m with you.

    Love me some Robbie Cano.

    I mutiny if he leaves.

    :)

  4. luis March 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    What happened to Soriano´s not pitching to teams of the same league nonsense?

  5. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    You guys can take whichever 2B you want from Yankee history…..ill take robbie and my team will be better at the position…..he’s got some longevity to go sure but he’s already the best player to play that position for the Yankees…..he’s still working on the best career part.
    ————

    Was always a Pat Kelly guy myself.

  6. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Chip-

    Sandy Koufax.

    Position guy would be tougher.

    Maybe Hank Aaron.

  7. luis March 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Blake,

    i`m with you on your take on Cano.

    Chip,

    Mine would be Mauer…..Least one i like Papelblown and yikekilis, not sure in what order

  8. DONNYBROOK March 7th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Any votes for Horace Clark ??????

  9. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Chip-

    Sandy Koufax.

    Position guy would be tougher.

    Maybe Hank Aaron.
    ———

    Current guys old timer :-D

  10. upstate kate March 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Chip
    fav- probably Roy Halliday
    least fav- Youk

  11. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Tony Lazerri had good career numbers…..Cano’s are better and he plays at at time when the level if competition is better as well. Its tough to compare eras…..but if you ask me who would have faired better in another time i’ll always go with the modern player.

  12. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Luis -

    Youk’s a good choice. I don’t particularly like him but I respect the heck out of him, more so now than I did a few years ago. I mean here’s an All-Star and team leader who didn’t bark once about moving to 3b to accommodate Gonzo being brought in. That’s pretty rare. Michael Young (another player I like) finally had enough of being moved around the field for other guys last year when he was shoved off 3b to DH.

  13. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Chip-

    sorry.

    Halladay on the pitching side.

    Pujols on the stick side.

  14. DONNYBROOK March 7th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I believe Mauer is way over-rated. In fact, I would take Avila over Mauer. The new Yard is killin’ Mauer. Same goes for the Mets\Wright.

  15. dogface March 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Chip:

    Favorite ever: Fred Lynn
    Favorite active: Tulowitski

    Hated ever: Carl Everett
    Hated active: L. Scott

  16. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Favorite non Yankee?

    Jim Thome.

  17. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Non Yankees I like:
    Halladay, Tulo, Verlander, hamilton, mcann, Jesus Montero :(

    Non Yankees I dislike:

    Beckett, Papelbutt, Pukealis, Valverde, the Orioles.

  18. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I think if I had to rank the current Sox in order of loathing it would be:

    Beckett
    Pedroia
    Youk
    Ortiz

    Beckett just comes off as a spoiled brat to me. When he’s not pitching well he’s not man enough to deal with it so he just starts hitting guys and cracking that little smirk on the mound.

    Pedroia I think has too much fake hustle. It’s one thing to run out a pop up or a ground ball – I appreciate that – but I think Pedrioa overdoes it so that people will keep talking about how he hustles and blah blah blah (David Eckstien was the same way)

    Youk we’ve discussed

    Ortiz, well I just can’t like anyone who has owned the Yankees the way Papi has.

  19. luis March 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am
    Luis -

    Youk’s a good choice. I don’t particularly like him but I respect the heck out of him, more so now than I did a few years ago. I mean here’s an All-Star and team leader who didn’t bark once about moving to 3b to accommodate Gonzo being brought in. That’s pretty rare. Michael Young (another player I like) finally had enough of being moved around the field for other guys last year when he was shoved off 3b to DH.

    ———————————

    That´s why i loath him, he makes our life miserable as Yankee fans!! ;) . Seriously i do respect him a great deal as well.

  20. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Cano is already the best 2B in Yankee history.
    ———————-

    He’ll probably wanna get paid like it, too :(

  21. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Others I like Thome, Derek holland, Lincecum, Ackley

  22. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “He’ll probably wanna get paid like it, too”

    Certainly

  23. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Roy Halladay, Matt Holliday

  24. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I think my all time least liked would be a toss up between Ken Griffey Jr. and Albert Belle.

    Belle was just nasty – a guy who was mean and mean spirited to the public all the time for no good reason.

    Junior just annoyed me. Even as he entered his 30s he resented the Yankees because Martin and the Boss didn’t want him running around the clubhouse during his dad’s games. Really? You’re a grown a$$ man having a hall of fame career and that’s still weighing on you?

  25. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    For Red Sox loathing…..Josh Beckett is 1st, 2nd , and 3rd place…..Youk is a distant second. I don’t mind Pedroria…..id want him on my team anytime.

  26. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    One my least favorites is Johnny Gomes.

    I think the guy is a thug in baseball uni.

    Belongs at a place like Rikers.

  27. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “For Red Sox loathing…”

    That um, guy who went after A-Rod wearing a catcher’s mask.

  28. DONNYBROOK March 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Ortiz gotta pass on that rumored failed drug test. He’s the guy that previously said something along the lines of players that use PED’s should be banned from MLB for life. Then the cat jumps outta his own bag. Media coverage lasted maybe 2 days, then was swept under the rug. ESPN, (home base for R\Sox nation), did a “stonewall” job that woulda had Nixon applauding.

  29. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    The original Killer Bs we’re two of my favorite non Yankees

  30. Bo knows March 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Best player talent – non Yankee

    Griffey, the natural – The effortless swing and the total grace in the field.

    I really don’t care who he is when he’s at home

  31. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Now here’s a tough one – who are the Yankees you’ve had the hardest time rooting for. Guys who you say to yourself “why the heck would the Yankees ever want this guy on the team” not because he’s a bad player, just because you don’t like him:

    Top 5 in my life:

    Roger Clemens
    Kenny Lofton
    Gary Sheffield
    Kevin Brown
    Wade Boggs

  32. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Fav – Hunter Pence, Kershaw
    Least (non-boston) – Jose Reyes

    Actual least favorite – Assface or Big Poopi… I just can’t decide.

  33. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Most hated player: John Rocker.

  34. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Becketts gotta be public enemy #1 Even Swish doesn’t like him!

  35. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    For least liked Managers I go with Pruneface (Maddon), or the King of whine (Scioscia).

  36. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Chip – who are the Yankees you’ve had the hardest time rooting for

    Damon and Lofton no doubt…

  37. blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 3h Russell martin not displeased to see yadier molina get $75M deal. Happy to see defense recognized. “He kind of set the bar.”

  38. Tarheel In NYC March 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    My fave non-Yankee is Cal Ripken, Jr.

    Least favorite would have to be Josh Beckett. I get pissed just looking at him.

  39. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Most disliked Umpires- Joe Worst.

  40. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Chip – who are the Yankees you’ve had the hardest time rooting for

    Damon and Lofton no doubt…
    ———————

    I still blame Kenny Lofton for losing Moose his potential no-hitter against the Sox.

  41. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Randy Johnson was hard to pull for.

    Too frickin’ grumpy.

    Always woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

  42. luis March 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
    Most disliked Umpires- Joe Worst.

    _______________—

    What about Angel hernandez???

  43. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Yankee I threw the most tv controllers watching: Alfonso Soriano.

  44. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Like BB King once said, “Nobody loves me but my Mother, and she could be jivin’ too.”

    He was referring to Beckett’s Mother of course.

    :)

  45. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    No Yankee player has ever caused me as much stress as Torre did as a “manager”.

    … and I use the term “manager” extremely loosely :)

  46. DONNYBROOK March 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    - Bo knows -
    As for talent, I would take your namesake. Bo Jackson without a doubt, the most talented athlete I have Ever seen. Without that injury, he woulda made Griffey look like Luzinsky in CF.

  47. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Randy Johnson was hard to pull for.

    Too frickin’ grumpy.
    ———————

    I sort of like grumpy. It makes me laugh. I remember when Moose (dunno why I’ve now mentioned him twice in back to back posts!) went to Japan during spring training and brought PB&J with him in his suitcase and was still complaining about the trip in June lol…

  48. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Can Peyton Manning throw left handed? Minor league deal?

  49. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Luis-

    He’s right there.

    ;)

  50. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    who are the Yankees you’ve had the hardest time rooting for
    ——–
    Luis Polonia
    Boggs
    Clemens
    Mitre
    R. Pena.

  51. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Shame-

    Not me. Prefer the Sunny outlook.

    No surprise there, huh ?

    Can’t argue with Johnson’s results though in general.

    Shoulda been called the “Grumpy Unit”.

    :)

  52. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    who are the Yankees you’ve had the hardest time rooting for
    ——————

    Rodger Clemens
    Andruw Jones
    Jason Giambi
    Andruw Jones
    Javy Vasquez pt 1&2, but especially 2
    Andruw Jones

  53. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I had an easy time rooting against Andrew Jones last year….every time I did he hit a HR.

  54. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I grew to really like Boggs. He was a terrific on the field role model for players to learn a patient approach at the plate, which was critical to this franchise’s success going forward.

  55. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Damon? What’s wrong with him?

    I would have said he’s up there as most favored Red Sock.

  56. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    “”who are the Yankees you’ve had the hardest time rooting for”"

    “Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 3h Russell martin not displeased to see yadier molina get $75M deal. Happy to see defense recognized. “He kind of set the bar.”

  57. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    blake – I remember that! Its exactly why this year I’ll be rooting against him extra hard… its gonna be a lot more difficult this year, though. I’m going to have to balance my dislike for Andruw with my dislike for Ibanez. A challenge, for sure, but I think I can rise to the occasion.

  58. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Good news for the Russell Munson fans then.. looks like he just priced himself out of our plans :D

  59. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    bronx jeers – The question was who you had trouble rooting for… Damon was just an “idiot” from Boston until he proved otherwise.

  60. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Was Cashman on crack when he compare Russell to Munson?

  61. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Randy Johnson was hard to pull for.

    Too frickin’ grumpy.

    Always woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
    ——————

    Yeah – couldn’t stand the Big Eunuch

  62. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Cervelli and Romine at Catcher.

    I don’t think so.

    ;)

  63. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    bronx jeers – Then the way he handled his free agency put him right back in the “idiot” category… so even after accepting him as a Yankee I would still have trouble rooting for him if he came back.

  64. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Andrew is growing on me…..Im a Braves fan as well so I still remember his hay day…..he wasn’t anything but a shell of that guy for awhile…..lately I’ve seen a bit of a revival. I have nothing against Ibanez…..I just his gas light is on and we are driving at our own risk with him.

  65. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “Was Cashman on crack when he compare Russell to Munson?”

    We can only hope.

  66. upstate kate March 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    While I hate to disagree w/ one of my favorite posters, I like Joe Maddon, at least some of the time. And I have a soft spot for Jonny Gomes. He had a very difficult childhood, moving in and out of shelters. He also had to overcome a serious health issue (stroke maybe?). I do agree that he is a thug.

  67. Chip March 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    My least favorite manager is a tie between Bobby V and Ozzie Guillen. For much the same reason I hate Joe West and Angel Hernandez – no one has ever paid for a ticket to see an umpire nor have they paid to see a manager. Yet guys like Valentine and Guillen insist on making themselves the stars of the show – maybe it’s because they were such marginal players.

  68. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    cashmoney – Would it be that outrageous if Martin his .300 for a few seasons? Musons numbers are not really impressive by any stretch of the imagination…

  69. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Kevin Brown , and Pavano were practically impossible to pull for too.

    Especially the American Idle.

    What an asswipe.

  70. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Molina set the bar…..just not for you Russ….sorry.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Watching Peyton Manning’s press conference.

    :(

  72. m March 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Reliever to starter…predicting the season that is Daniel Bahd.

    http://www.grantland.com/story.....me-starter

  73. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Yea K Brown and Pavano were tough….

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Someone mentioned Alfonso Soriano. When a manager is dumb enough to force a power hitter to be a slap singles hitter by leading him off, then it’s pretty hard to be upset with the player.

    GRRRR!!!!!

    :evil:

  75. Tarheel In NYC March 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    I’m able to easily root for all of them, because if they do well, it usually means the team does well.

    However, there have been Yankees who I’ve tried really hard to like on a personal level (because they’re Yankees), but I just can’t do it. They make it too damn hard.

    1. Alex Rodriguez (for the record, he’s rubbing off on me a little, but it’s been a long journey to get here. I’ve yet to fully embrace him)

    2. Randy Johnson

    3. Carl Pavano

    4. Roger Clemens

  76. DONNYBROOK March 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Shane Spencer was a guy I simply could Not root for. Crossed the picket line, and that is unforgiveable. Same goes for Kevin Millar. Glad MLB cut his show to 30 Minutes.

  77. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Soriano was never the same player after Mondesi got here. Before that he was fine.

  78. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    cashmoney – Would it be that outrageous if Martin his .300 for a few seasons? Musons numbers are not really impressive by any stretch of the imagination…
    —-
    I.D. Martin has spent one season with the Yanks. way to premature IMO.

  79. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    blake – I don’t think I could ever actively root against any Yankee just because I’m a fan of the team more than any individual player.. and I’ll be the first to admit when I see Andruw smile I’m fairly certain an angel gets its wings.. but.. I dunno, I just don’t like the guy lol. Maybe (probably) because of those successful Braves teams from the 90s. I’m sort of hoping my dislike for Ibanez grows enough that hating Andruw can become a fun sideshow.

  80. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Kate-

    Sorry to hear that.

    I hear your compassion shinin’ through.

    I might give you a pass on Maddon but not Gomes.

    Like I said a real thug. No excuses for him in adult life.

  81. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    People always forget one of the better Rule 5 picks in Kelly Gruber.

  82. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    chip-

    Yeah. I forgot about the lunatic- Guillen.

    Much worse than Maddon.

    Can’t say thanks for reminding me though.

  83. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    cashmoney – Premature for what? To enshrine him as a yankee legend? I’m fairly certain that’s NOT what Girardi meant at all. Grit, determination, defensive ability… that’s what he was talking about… that will not change based on his tenure in pinstripes (although one could probably argue that being in pinstripes makes one into a better “person” or at least perceptibly)

  84. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DONNYBROOK March 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Shane Spencer was a guy I simply could Not root for.

    —————–

    How dare you speak ill of Shane Spencer!!

    I’m tempted to harness my centaur power..

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    I have no idea about pre and post Mondesi. I don’t log my memories in terms of that. I distinctly remember Soriano having a ton of difficulty getting consistent hits once Torre decided he had to lead off. That was all on Torre. He forced a natural power hitter to try to become a slaps single hitter.

    Great managing there.

  86. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    ” (although one could probably argue that being in pinstripes makes one into a better “person” or at least perceptibly)”

    I don’t believe this.

  87. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    I love Guillen lol, I’ll never forget those Derek Jeter quotes from a couple of years ago… the guy’s a riot (as long as he’s never named the Yankees manager).

  88. Tarheel In NYC March 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Ozzie Guillen is a NIMBY.

    I think he’s funny and entertaining, and I enjoy him. But I sure as hell never want him as MY manager :)

  89. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “I grew to really like Boggs. He was a terrific on the field role model for players to learn a patient approach at the plate, which was critical to this franchise’s success going forward.”

    rich in nj-

    carl taylor, the yankee pre game time batting practice pitcher from 1990 -1996 said he thought that boggs was the better hitter than mattingly though he loved mattingly too.

    he said that boggs could go upper deck in yankee stadium any time he wanted to in BP

    taylor knew a little about hitting too. he hit .348 in 250 at bats with the pirates in 1969. clemente, stargell, oliver, matty alou all there then.

    taylor also spent a couple of years on sundays with ted williams when he was in his teens. half brother of boog powell. knows his hitting. loved boogs as a hitter.

    i agree that the yankees patient approach with the high OBP started with boggs.

  90. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Shame-

    He’s all yours. Straightjacket included.

    ;)

  91. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “carl taylor, the yankee pre game time batting practice pitcher from 1990 -1996 said he thought that boggs was the better hitter than mattingly though he loved mattingly too.

    he said that boggs could go upper deck in yankee stadium any time he wanted to in BP”

    I think I read that somewhere, randy.

  92. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    rich – What is not to believe? You don’t think that time spent in the Yankee system improves one’s public image, both from a PR and a personal standpoint? How do you explain something like A-Rods transformation? Or Damon? Damon may have been a “fan favorite” but he was not a “consummate professional” until he donned the stripes.

  93. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Managers I liked :

    Casey Stengel
    Sparky
    Bobby Cox

    :)

  94. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    MTU,

    Kevin Brown. I almost forgot about him. Thanks! :wink:

    Seriously, I stopped going to games he pitched.

  95. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Costas did an interview awhile back with both Boggs and Jim Rice….it was funny watching Rice when Boggs was talking because you knew he was sitting there thinking this guy is crazy…….just totally different approaches. Boggs was a great hitter.

  96. stuckey March 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Gonna go ahead and say it.

    I don’t read stories attacking him or fixated on his personal foibles, because I don’t care how he lives his personal life, how he REALLY gets along with his teammates, his current or past skill level at giving interviews.

    I don’t actively dislike him.

    I recognize his greatness.

    But if I were given the chance to undo one transaction in my era as a fan (to ’76) it would be Arod … the first time.

    I just though it was a bad mix from day 1, a recipe of impossible to meet expectations for both the player and his effect on the team.

  97. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    ID

    Not necessarily. It hasn’t helped A-Rod, despite winning 1 WS and two MVP. It may even hurt one’s image.

  98. Shame Spencer March 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    MTU – LOL, like I said… I like him a lot, as long as he’s not anywhere near my organization. He’s probably the perfect fit for Miami. He matches that obnoxious outfield contraption to the t.

    Speaking of that eyesore.. Are the Miami Marlins owned by Gloria Estefan? I’m not sure why, but I was under the impression she owned the entire city. I think that center field statue thingy could be explained through interpretive music of the Miami Sound Machine.

  99. jacksquat March 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    blake March 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 3h Russell martin not displeased to see yadier molina get $75M deal. Happy to see defense recognized. “He kind of set the bar.”

    Molina had a 126 OPS+ last year Mr. 92 OPS+. You better get your bat going if you want that kind of money.

  100. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    “Great managing there.”

    it’s amazing how when people leave they become evil and bad.

    but when they are in charge they must know best .

    torre is as solid a baseball person as there is on this planet.

    his time was up as a yankee manager , but that’s a natural thing for all managers.

    we’ll probably not see a run like torre had with the yankees for decades and maybe longer.

    he deserves a huge amount of respect even if everything about him wasn’t up to someone’s liking.

    when someone shows disrespect to a guy like torre, they are really showing more about themselves than they realize.

  101. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “But if I were given the chance to undo one transaction in my era as a fan (to ’76) it would be Arod … the first time”

    The trade for him was awesome…..he was their best player from 2004-2008 ish and I think there are a couple or seasons there where they don’t make the playoffs without him…..plus Texas paid some or his contract……the trade for him was one of the better moves of Cashman’s tenure……his 2nd contract ….different story.

  102. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    rich – It hasn’t helped A-Rod

    I completely disagree. He is infinitely less awkward publicly and in interviews than he was before coming here. He has completely opened up to the media and the fans and is being more honest rather than just trying to deliver a line.

    Nevermind, then. I guess you don’t see it.

  103. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “we’ll probably not see a run like torre had with the yankees for decades and maybe longer.”

    I don’t know if any team will ever win 4 titles in 5 seasons again…..

  104. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Grit, determination, defensive ability… that’s what he was talking about
    ———–
    Munson has hit 300 4 times and drove in 100 three times in his abbreviate career, I think he is superior hitter than Russell. If G thinks he is equal of Munson defensively, sure. as far as grit and determination that’s a hard thing to quantify I have no way to measure that btw him and Munson. But the basic assessment from my pov is as a whole package he is not Munson.

  105. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Shame-

    Ozzie is a buffoon. Never could laugh with him only at him. Threw many of his players under the bus.

    A cardinal sin in my book. No class.

    Not sure. Wasn’t it Loria ?

    Should be fun when they hold another fire sale in a few years.

    :)

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Yeah, because you say so randy.

    :roll:

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    he deserves a huge amount of respect even if everything about him wasn’t up to someone’s liking.

    when someone shows disrespect to a guy like Cashman, they are really showing more about themselves than they realize.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    MTU, I’m totally with you on Ozzie.

  109. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Munson has hit 300 4 times and drove in 100 three times in his abbreviate career, I think he is superior hitter than Russell

    Cashmoney – Mrtin has only played for 5 years, Muson cbatted both .250 and .260 in his first 5 full seasons.

    Maybe, just maybe you are being a bit quick to judge this man.

  110. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “I completely disagree. He is infinitely less awkward publicly and in interviews than he was before coming here. He has completely opened up to the media and the fans and is being more honest rather than just trying to deliver a line.”

    That isn’t evidence that he’s a better person. It may just be that he grew up, which probably would have happened anywhere.

  111. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “Maybe, just maybe you are being a bit quick to judge this man.”

    Or maybe he sees the starkly different plate coverage between Munson and Martin.

  112. m March 7th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Becoming a Yankee doesn’t make you a better person. But players seem to be on their best behavior from the minute they sign. I know that I will get flamed for this, but I do believe there is a Yankee way that has been passed on and Jeter has done his part in passing it on. I also believe that the long hair/facial hair rule (which is widely ridiculed) has at least a small part in the professionalism the Yankees impart.

    Whatever your views on my views are, I’m sure we can agree that Yankee players are some of the most professional athletes in all of sports.

  113. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    rich – Maybe, it converted Damon from an “idiot” into basically the farthest thing from it… It certainly has an undeniable effect on players and their personalities. I just happen to believe it is overwhelmingly positive.

  114. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Or maybe he sees the starkly different plate coverage between Munson and Martin.

    Maybe. Not likely, as it would have already been brought up as a reason. Also not sure this is a real thing.

  115. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    ID

    Damon actually has a high degree of social intelligence, which has enabled him to adapt his persona to compliment the personalities of his teammates.

  116. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Also, why does Martin have to be as good as Muson to be the same type of player?

    Oh, he doesn’t.

    Stupid argument wasting time. I’m done with this lol…

  117. stuckey March 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    “The trade for him was awesome…..he was their best player from 2004-2008 ish and I think there are a couple or seasons there where they don’t make the playoffs without him…..plus Texas paid some or his contract……the trade for him was one of the better moves of Cashman’s tenure……his 2nd contract ….different story.”

    I’m well versed on the parameters of the trade and his statistical impact. But as a chemistry guy, I’ve never found it to be a productive MIX. And I’m not at all laying that on Arod’s shoulders because of his personality.

    Some thing seems to make sense on paper but the end-product just isn’t what it should be.

    I’ve always had that sense about him on the Yankees.

  118. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    “Maybe. Not likely, as it would have already been brought up as a reason. Also not sure this is a real thing.”

    I have seen both of them play. It’s real. Munson was a magician at putting the bat on the ball. Martin, not so much.

  119. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Also, where the hell are my n’s? Fingers on strike, returning after lunch.

  120. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “Also, why does Martin have to be as good as Muson to be the same type of player?”

    What was stupid, was Cashman’s comparison, which was Cashmoney’s original point.

  121. blake March 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “I’m well versed on the parameters of the trade and his statistical impact. But as a chemistry guy”

    Do you have evidence to support this claim ;)

  122. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Yeah, lunch sounds good. Later.

  123. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Munson was a magician at putting the bat on the ball. Martin, not so much.

    This has confirmation bias written all over it.

    We know Munson was actually a better hitter. There is no reason Martin can’t be better, or as good because the bar is pretty low to begin with. You don’t have to convince me that Munson was a better than Martin currently is. I already know this.

  124. Nick in SF March 7th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    IF Sydney Ponson is responsible for the disappearance of Natalie Holloway — and this has NOT been proven — it occurred after he first wore the Yankee pinstripes.

    Think about it.

  125. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    What was stupid, was Cashman’s comparison, which was Cashmoney’s original point.

    But if he is that type of player… that makes it a pretty good comparison…

    Just because in his first 5 seasons he hasn’t out hit Munson yet doesn’t mean his future is written in stone.

    He is very much the same “type” of player, maybe just not “quite as good” but I don’t see how that is really that important to the comparison at all.

  126. stuckey March 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Seems to be an awfully lot of criticism based on public comments from Cashman and Girardi.

    It would seem to be we should be able to agree public comments to the media (understand MLB REQUIRES managers to feed the media beast) should be taken with a restaurant-sized tub of salt.

  127. Irreverent Discourse March 7th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    People are here comparing Jesus Montero to Miguel Cabrera and other HoF players, but he hasn’t “done” any of that yet either… so those comparisons are just as poor if you dislike the Munson comparison.

  128. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    m-

    I do agree. I think there is a “Yankee way”.

    There certainly is a great tradition.

    A lot of people would compare the Yankees to the old days of IBM.

    Very successful but very “stodgy”. Corporate. Big buisness image.

    I worked in the computer Industry for a good part of my career.

    Lot’s of people disliked “Big Blue” but they always envied their success.

    Just like people are jealous of the Yankees.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock March 7th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    “Also, why does Martin have to be as good as Muson to be the same type of player?”

    What was stupid, was Cashman’s comparison, which was Cashmoney’s original point.
    ///

    If Cashman thinks they’re similar, the Yankees are not in good hands. What I think may have been in play there, though, was setting up dumb people for the excision they were intent on all along.

    We’re supposed to say, “Who needs The Jesus? We got the second coming of Thurman!”

  130. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Munson won an MVP. Apparently back then they gave MVPs to the most valuable player instead of how they do it now.

  131. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    so those comparisons are just as poor if you dislike the Munson comparison.
    —-
    agree.

  132. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Rich in NJ March 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    “Also, why does Martin have to be as good as Muson to be the same type of player?”

    What was stupid, was Cashman’s comparison, which was Cashmoney’s original point.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    What’s stupid is taking everything literally. All Cashman was comparing is the type of catcher/leader that Martin is behind the plate. He wasn’t comparing the emotion or the offensive type players.

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “IF Sydney Ponson is responsible for the disappearance of Natalie Holloway — and this has NOT been proven — it occurred after he first wore the Yankee pinstripes.

    Think about it.”

    Another unproven rumor is that it may have been Gene Kingsale. He supposedly was overheard saying “If I had played for the Yankees this never would have happened.”

    He’s refused to amplify on the “this” in that statement.

    :shock:

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock March 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I think Alex has come along way. Being outed liberated him. He’s a nerd and always has been. It’s been painful watching him try to be a GQ type, and refreshing that he’s kind of now embraced his inner nerd. I like Alex when he’s just his awkward, lively self.

    He’s a guy with issues, but having your father abandon your family – just walk out – at the age of what, 6? is going to do some damage. IIRC, I think I read that his uncle, who became like a father figure to him, collapsed while attending one of Alex’s HS football games and died of a heart attack. I don’t think Alex is a mean or bad guy. His knack for helping players and understanding the nuances of the game are also highly under rated.

    Yanks should have listened to him on Melky last year, also. Melky probably got better mentoring from Alex in a couple of offseasons than he did his whole tenure as a Yankee. He’s really taken off.

  135. Nick in SF March 7th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    No one knows if the Zodiac killer was a Yankee fan or not… but I see a lot of Yankee caps in Vallejo.

    Is it mostly because of CC? Or… is there more to the story?

  136. Nick in SF March 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Melky homered from both sides yesterday. They were talking about him on the Giants’ flagship station this morning. One of the beat writers said Melky has had a very serious and professional demeanor so far this spring. Already speculating how unlikley it is that they’ll retain Melky after this season.

    BTW, only two Giants have homered from both sides in the same game since 1993: Ray Durham and Randy Winn.

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I think you’ve categorized the real Arod very nicely J Al. Add to it that he was the creme de la creme on his previous teams and came to the Yankees with a bullseye on his back, partly due to his feud with Jeter, it had to be a hard transition.

    I give him credit for doing all he has done to get himself straightened out, especially his public disclosure that he saw psychiatrists/psychologists 4 times a week – don’t know if he’s still doing.
    that.

    It isn’t like he wrote some bitter tell-all book about his teammates, throwing many of them under the bus and giving portryals of some of their most vulnerable moments, things that had to embarass them greatly. Then I could definitely look at him as scum.

  138. Nick in SF March 7th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    oops :arrow:

  139. randy l. March 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    i end up liking and disliking players on the yankees for no apparent reason.

    i’m not exactly sure how i decide.

    i don’t like martin as a yankee except as a stop gap.

    i tried to like him , but i just don’t. there’s nothing that reminds me of munson.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock March 7th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Melky will hit a lot of doubles in that park, but HRs will be hard to come by. I hope he has another great year. A guy who can hit .300 from both sides is a true switch hitter. He won’t be coming back here, though. Not so long as Joe Girardi is manager. I’m hoping Zoilo Almonte can be a Melky type for the Yankees. He’ll have to become a better breaking ball hitter, though, to do that.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    “No one knows if the Zodiac killer was a Yankee fan or not… but I see a lot of Yankee caps in Vallejo.

    Is it mostly because of CC? Or… is there more to the story?”

    Interesting Nick, because one theory I heard posited is that it was really Tug McGraw, and to take attention away from that and try to put it elsewhere, residents were paid a handsome sum to wear Yankee caps. They were never told why…


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