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Wednesday notes: No change for a change

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 07, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Finally, a pitcher who’s not working on a changeup.

Hiroki Kuroda throws fastballs and cutters, curveballs and sliders, but he doesn’t throw a change. And the Yankees don’t want him to. Kuroda’s out pitch is a splitfinger, which some pitchers use much the same way as a changeup.

“He doesn’t necessarily need to throw one because of that,” Joe Girardi said. “… His split is different from what some of our other guys have. I know he’ll throw his share of cutters as well. He starts with the location of his fastball, but I really like the split. I think if you look at the couple of strikeouts today, they were both very good splits. That’s a different look.”

Freddy Garcia has been effective with a splitfinger, but it’s not an especially common pitch these days. It’s been effective for Kuroda, and Russell Martin — who caught Kuroda in Los Angeles — has been talking about the effectiveness of that pitch since camp opened. Kuroda said he was happy with it today, and happy that he was able to mix all of his pitches in his first spring outing.

“Usually it takes the full spring training before everything is to the level I need it to be in the regular season,” he said. “… The most important thing that I wanted to accomplish was a feeling for the real game, and I think I was able to do that, so I’m happy.”

• On a day the team was visited by a pregame motivational speaker, the Yankees were held to four hits in a 4-0 loss. Nick Swisher and Jose Gil doubled in the loss. Russell Martin and Dewayne Wise singled.

• Before today’s game, Rafael Soriano told the coaching staff that he felt ready to pitch in a game. In the past, Soriano has been opposed to pitching against division opponents in spring training. “For whatever reason he wanted to pitch today, so I didn’t ask any questions,” Girardi said. “I think it’s good for him to get out there, and I was pleased with what I saw.”

• Soriano struck out two batters in a scoreless inning. Boone Logan also had two strikeouts in an inning, and Cory Wade threw a scoreless frame with one hit and no strikeouts.

• Martin is the Yankees early spring leader in stolen bases. He’s swiped two bags. Chris Dickerson is the only other Yankees player with one.

• Derek Jeter bobbled a ground ball for his first spring training error. Jayson Nix threw a ball away for his second. … Colin Curtis had an outfield assist, throwing to Nick Swisher who relayed to third base for an out that ended the sixth inning. … Clay Rapada pitched a scoreless eighth inning and stayed in to face a lefty to open the ninth. He struck out the lefty before giving way to Kevin Whelan for the final two outs. Rapada is trying to make the team as a left-handed specialist.

• Eduardo Nunez hit with a tee and soft toss today, and he’ll take light batting practice tomorrow, but he’s still not ready to get in a game and won’t play tomorrow. Nunez said his bruised right hand is still “a little bit” sore, but he’s been able to do full fielding drills with no problem. Today he was working out at third base, making the throw across the diamond from foul territory.

• Mark Teixeira had a regularly scheduled day off. His thumb — which he jammed making a tag yesterday — is fine.

• According to Baseball America, the Yankees have signed a Cuban lefty Rigoberto Arrebato to a minor league deal and released minor league first baseman Jamie Mallard. Mallard was signed in the middle of last season and never actually played in an official game.

• Girardi on Yogi Berra’s arrival in camp: “I felt like camp started today. Yogi’s here. It’s great to see… Just kind of puts a smile on everybody’s face. Things pick up around here a little bit. Really good to see.”

• It was announced today that the Yankees Triple-A affiliate officially will be called the Empire State Yankees this season. There’s even a slightly modified logo. The Scranton/Wilkes-Barre stadium is being rebuilt, forcing the team to play all of it’s games on the road, including multiple “home” games in Rochester, Syracuse, Buffalo and Batavia. The team is expected to return to its home stadium — and it’s original name — next year.

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182 Responses to “Wednesday notes: No change for a change”

  1. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    ” I think if you look at the couple of strikeouts today, they were both very good splits. That’s a different look.”

    Freddy Garcia has been effective with a splitfinger, but it’s not an especially common pitch these days. It’s been effective for Kuroda, and Russell Martin — who caught Kuroda in Los Angeles — has been talking about the effectiveness of that pitch since camp opened. ”

    Take a hint Hughes.

    You too Michael.

    ;)

  2. Yankee Trader March 7th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Good night all.

    Thanks Chad for the timely and informative posts.

    Till tomorrow.

  3. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    stuckey March 7th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Yes, it is an assumption, but Tex swing is not going to age well…I saw that he is working on it and it seems that he has leveled it a little bit, but he hasn’t eliminated the collapsing of his back leg which he has been doing his whole life( old habits are hard to break). This means that we can expect his OPS to decline. Arod is well…36 going on 37. and Jeter is 37….Age is not on their side. Who is going to complement Cano?

  4. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Good night trader

  5. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Dulce Suenos YT.

    :)

  6. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
    GB-

    The way I figure it her level of ugly could bend anyones spoon.

    Permanently.

    That’s if you didn’t just die of fright first.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    She would melt spoons with one look and turn any living creature into stone with one look into her eye….like Medusa. The only differense is while Medusa had snakes on her head, Nurse Karloff has snakes in her head.

  7. austinmac March 7th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Kuroda was impressive today. Their was one hard hit ball. The two singles were ground balls in good spots.

    He has a live fastball with very good ability. He showed a willingness to throw the fastball up and in for strikes. Then, his splitter falls off the table. He also threw a cutter and a few curves. They were serviceable pitches. He can throw them all for strikes.

    He can readily be a good no. 2 quality starter.

  8. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    Dulce Suenos YT.

    +++++

    I’m the guy that speaks spanish you know? ;)

  9. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Maybe it’s coincidence, but I think a lot of NPB pitchers that had came over to the states seem to have a fork/split in their arsenal. Nomo had a good one so did Saito and Sasaki I think. I cant remember if the guy on bosox did or not, but I am pretty sure he had it in his arsenal.

  10. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Luis-

    I’m practicing so I can take over for Hugo.

    After I get the Spanish lingo down I’ll eat like a hog so I look more like him.

    Then I’l practice stealing from everyone and pretending I’m benevolent.

    That should do it.

    ;)

  11. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    He had the gyro ball!! ;)

  12. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    A good splits as good as a change up but it can wreak havoc on an arm.

    I could actually throw a splitter. It broke like it was sip posed to. . But it freakin hurt.

    Yanks want to get some of these guys throwing a splitter? Get Clemens down there. He’s somebody I always thought would have been a tremendous help with guys like Hughes and Joba.

    Just a shame he’s basically dead to MLB.

  13. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    Luis-

    I’m practicing so I can take over for Hugo.

    After I get the Spanish lingo down I’ll eat like a hog so I look more like him.

    Then I’l practice stealing from everyone and pretending I’m benevolent.

    That should do it.

    =========================

    LMAO!! You will have to learn how to talk nonsense for hours as well….Then i think you’ll do fine!! :)

  14. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    jeers-

    It’s a myth that the split hurts the arm more than other pitches.

    your arm hurt from all the beer you tipped. Not from the splitter.

    :)

  15. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    I’ve hearing that the splitter hurts the arm….Did it hurt that bad? where?

  16. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Luis-

    I already have that one mastered.

    I am loco de cabeza.

    Conoces.

    :)

  17. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Jeers
    that’s what i read …haven’t never thrown one I take your word for it. but from what i read it causes tremendous stress on your elbow and shoulder and is not recommended for youngster.

  18. stuckey March 7th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Luis, Tex is 32. I don’t think we’re going to see any age-related decline in the next 2 years.

    Jeter is now a complimentary player in the Yankee line-up.

    If you want an compliment to Cano, perhaps the guy with the +900 OPS last year can fill that role?

    Either way, I think the REAL compliment to Cano will be the other 8 players.

    Yankees will still be able to afford to field a deep line-up. That’s the key to their success. Not a big bopper in the 4 hole.

    Gimme a solid deep line-up over a middle heavy line-up any day.

  19. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Anytime you want to meet me in Ecuador MTU you let me know. Me and you will be eating many sunduche de chancho and washing em down with ice cold bottles of Club Verde.

    I’ll get you in Chavez-shape in no time. :wink:

  20. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    have never…

  21. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    MTU,

    Oh! i forgot, remember this mantra…..Everything bad that happens is because of the evil empire ( US )….Last week there was a power outage, they blame it on the CIA, later on they found out that it was a snake that disrupted the service….So now they say that it was a snake trained by the CIA!!!, it’s been the joke of the week! :)

  22. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    “I have heard a lot of wive’s tales that this pitch is bad on the arm. Haven’t seen anything scientific though.

    Hopefully someone will post a study of some kind.

    Edit:
    Steven Ellis

    quote:

    I decided to take this pitching question to Coach Bill Thurston, head baseball coach at Amherst College and a pitching consultant for ASMI, a baseball pitching biomechanics research facility in Birmingham, Ala.

    …the splitter is no more or less dangerous a baseball pitch than the curveball or slider. ”

    I posted this yesterday.

    :)

  23. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    For me it hurt in the outer forearm near the elbow. I don’t see how it would effect the shoulder.

  24. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Jeers-

    Surfin’ in Ecuador sounds good.

    Beer afterwards.

    All I need to do is rob a bank first.

    :)

  25. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    luis-

    Everything is the fault of the Jankees.

    Not the NY ones.

    Even I, a gringo, know this to be true.

    ;)

  26. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    stuckey March 7th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    Luis, Tex is 32. I don’t think we’re going to see any age-related decline in the next 2 years.

    Jeter is now a complimentary player in the Yankee line-up.

    If you want an compliment to Cano, perhaps the guy with the +900 OPS last year can fill that role?

    Either way, I think the REAL compliment to Cano will be the other 8 players.

    Yankees will still be able to afford to field a deep line-up. That’s the key to their success. Not a big bopper in the 4 hole.

    Gimme a solid deep line-up over a middle heavy line-up any day.

    ======================================

    Agreed that a deep line up is better than to depend on only the middle of the order guys…About Tex, lets see how he performs this season, in any case time will tell. In the case of Cano, if he doesn’t have a bat to protect him he is not going to see many good pitches to hit.

  27. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Jeers,

    Correa is not too different from ours as far as i know….So MTU can practice there!! :)

    MTU,

    That’s the mantra but hardly the truth….The US has done many good things in the past

  28. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Luis-

    I once lived on a tiny island where the native tongue was Spanish.

    Learned just enough of the lingo to be dangerous.

    :)

  29. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    MTU,

    I can see that!! good for you my friend

  30. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Luis-

    You and I need to explore the Orinoco with the help of Los Indios.

    What an adventure that would be.

    Pit stop at Angel Falls.

    This is ths stuff of dreams.

    That nature preserve you spoke of would be a nice stop too.

    :)

  31. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    luis March 7th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Odds,

    This year…..Yes….The problem is further in the future (2013,2014), by then we will need to replace some production from Arod, Tex, Jeter

    ———–

    I agree the real test is a couple of yrs from now. Cano needs protection.

  32. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Have a good night everyone.

    :)

  33. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    MTU,

    To be honest, for the first time in years i really think that the end of this nightmare is near….As soon as this happens you are cordialy invited to come down here…We will go to Canaima and the Orinoco and la Gran Sabana, and if you have a little time we’ll go to Los Roques is coral barrier that i’ll say is the most beautiful place on earth.

  34. UnKnown March 7th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    So I guess Napoli said he saw 7 different pitches from Yu today. A fastball, curve, slider, cu, cutter, splitter, and sinker.

    That’s a lot of different looks from one guy…

  35. luis March 7th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Good night MTU

  36. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    UnKnown March 7th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    And was sitting 95 with the fastball….He has Ace written all over

  37. MTU March 7th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Luis-

    Thank you for your very gracious invitation.

    I hope for your sake and the sake of your people that you are correct and the end is near.

    Vaya con Dios.

    Viva Venezuela libre.

    Adios para ahora.

    :)

  38. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    luis March 7th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Odds,

    This year…..Yes….The problem is further in the future (2013,2014), by then we will need to replace some production from Arod, Tex, Jeter

    ———–

    I agree the real test is a couple of yrs from now. Cano needs protection.

    =============

    That’s one of the reasons i didn’t like you know who’s trade

  39. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Agreed that a deep line up is better than to depend on only the middle of the order guys
    ——–
    Luis, I think one thing you gonna encounter in the playoffs more often than not is a starting pitcher who wont walk a lot batters. I think when i look Yanks offense as of today or of last year, I see lot of power, plenty of obp guys but not a high average contract guys. the bit of the deep lineup come down to this to me, If Cano or Jeter is not at the plate who is the guy I have confidences in when we need a hit? this, of course contingent largely upon how Rod and Tex can bounce back.

  40. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 8:55 pm luis March 7th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Odds,

    This year…..Yes….The problem is further in the future (2013,2014), by then we will need to replace some production from Arod, Tex, Jeter

    ———–

    I agree the real test is a couple of yrs from now. Cano needs protection.

    =============

    That’s one of the reasons i didn’t like you know who’s trade

    ————————

    A number of fans are right there with you. I hope Pineda does well but JM would have been a thrill to see day after day.

  41. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Krukow on mlb xm interview says sf and cain are close to an extension, said he’d be surprised if spring ended without one.

  42. mick March 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    There are at least 6 tools on this board right now. More when the other trolls show up.
    ======================================================
    From the mouth of an idiot.

  43. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    Agreed that a deep line up is better than to depend on only the middle of the order guys
    ——–
    Luis, I think one thing you gonna encounter in the playoffs more often than not is a starting pitcher who wont walk a lot batters. I think when i look Yanks offense as of today or of last year, I see lot of power, plenty of obp guys but not a high average contract guys. the bit of the deep lineup come down to this to me, If Cano or Jeter is not at the plate who is the guy I have confidences in when we need a hit? this, of course contingent largely upon how Rod and Tex can bounce back.
    =====================

    Exactly!…My worry is not for this upcoming season, but a little further in to the future ( 2013 or2014)…We need professional hitters with good a situational hitting approach.

  44. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    Krukow on mlb xm interview says sf and cain are close to an extension, said he’d be surprised if spring ended without one.

    ========================

    Can they afford both Lincecum and Cain?

  45. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Odds,

    Those are exactly my feelings

  46. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    I mean i think we should be allright this season…In fact, i think this team can win a lot of games ( 100 or more ), they could even go all the way, but after this season?

  47. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Stuckey, tex had an .835 ops last year, which was only 9% better than average at 1st which is not great. Only 14% better than league average, also not good for a first baseman. Declined in ops in 2 straight years. They need more 2009 tex. He has not managed to keep up his offense relative to the league and has seen his effectiveness diminish by half each consecutive season which isn’t very inspiring considering only the first year of a huge deal has lived up to the hype so far.

  48. yanks 27 March 7th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    This is a bully offense, it is one that will dominate the regular season but can be contained by good pitching. Too many guys with long swings and declining bat speed.

    It is like the NBA, teams who have lots of depth an play “team ball” will win a lot of games but go out weakly against the team with the 1-2 big stars or HOFers.

    Or in football a team that wins with a running game, defense, and QB that doesn’t screw up- eventually, the QB has to make a play or two in the playoffs.

    The team needs a guy like Montero in the lineup with Cano. We’re the Yankees… we don’t have to choose between deep/good middle. We should have had both if not for the arrogant GM and manager.

  49. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    luis, fundamentally it come down to this to me. Do the Yanks have enough guys in the lineup who can hit good pitching because that’s mostly likely what you gonna run into. It’s not an easy answer to me, It breakdowns to little areas like plate coverage, pitch recognition, pure raw ability to hit a quality pitch. Things that might lie within numbers but are simply not that easy to quantify by numbers. But these observation can be high subjective in small samples. I guess that’s why a long season is necessary to form some kinda educated opinion.

  50. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    JF,

    To further your point…Those declines happened in his theoretically peak years.

  51. Cashmoney March 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Night all.

  52. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Night Cash.

  53. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    JF,

    To further your point…Those declines happened in his theoretically peak years.

    ———————-

    That’s what the concern is. He shouldn’t be declining during those yrs

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    And so I ask myself, are the Knicks as bad as they look? Are the Spurs as good as they look? Is it a coincidence that since Anthony has returned, the Knicks have turned into pumpkins? Does D’Antoni recognize that timing? Even if he did, would he be helpless to do anything about it?

    I have no answers.

  55. blake March 7th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    I think Tex is too young to have dropped off the way he has the last two seasons….I’ve always worried about his swing not aging well but I was more concerned there with like the last 3 years of the contract than the middle of it. I think he’s gotten into some bad habits left handed and maybe has lost a little bat speed and it’s snowballed on him.

    I like the subtle things he’s changed this offseason and also the recognition that there is a problem….as I’ve said if he can physically get back to the 2009 Tex then I think he’ll do what it takes to get there (I hope anyway)

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Just read that several players are out of commission for the Knicks (or are being benched).

    I think I retract all of my questions.

  57. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    The team needs a guy like Montero in the lineup with Cano

    —————–

    Exactly. Tex was brought here to be that guy. All star vet that is a bridge between Alex and.Cano

  58. MG March 7th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Trisha, two words re the Knicks-fire D’Antoni, the worst that can happen is they will play like they are now, at best they will pull together under an interim coach and make a run.

    D’Antoni needed to win a championship to get another contract and there is no way that will happen this year.

  59. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Odds,

    The thing is that Tex’s swing is a perfect example of what you are not suppose to do. It has worked for him in the past, but you have to have perfect timing and as you age that becomes harder and harder…At this stage, i don’t think he will change the way he swings, so i have no reason to be optimistic.

  60. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Trisha,

    No team is as bad as it looks when is losing, and no team is a good as it looks when if winning.

  61. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    I’m sure firing D’antoni will suddenly turn Melo and Amare back into good basketball players again.

  62. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I understand what you’re saying but the best thing is what Blake said. Tex realizes his swing is off and he is willing to make changes.

  63. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Melo and Amare are awful defensive players that have made their careers on offense.

    Now they are awful defenders and well below average on offense.

    LINSANITY was all about great defense, ball movement, and Lin attacking the basket. All that is gone with how awful Melo and Amare have played.

  64. luis March 7th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Odds,

    The swings i saw from him lefthanded seemed more leveled, so maybe he finds a way…the thing is that he wasted two of his peak years ( i would say part of the middle and part of the back end of them), he has one or two good seasons left, what happens then?

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Let’s hope for a great second half. I get kind of queasy when I see the competition managing to get directly under the basket for an easy layups…

  66. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Lin keeps differing to Melo instead of playing his game.

    That’s not going to work because Melo is shooting about 20% on his non at the rim shots since his return.

  67. LockDown March 7th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    There needs to be a way to get Melo and Amare to shine. Perplexing. They’re statues on defense too. :(

    C’mon Knicks!!!!

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I was afraid of that happening. Melo doesn’t seem to be doing anything to make Lin feel that he should be doing anything but deferring to him.

  69. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    What happens then? The line attached to him might be he’s no longer a great all around hitter but he still gives you 30 and 100.

  70. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    *deferring*

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Geeze, did someone tell Melo to start being a team player?

    :)

  72. Nick in SF March 7th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “… and the Knicks’ non-suffocating defense allowed it to happen.”

    – Spurs broadcast

  73. yanks 27 March 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    It is perplexing that Amare and Melo playing together yield these kind of results. Even if you thought they couldn’t work together well enough to be a legit contender, no one could have imagined they’d be a 10 games under .500 team, overall, since they joined forces and a year later, they couldn’t have figured it out.

    They have no excuses – they have a PG. They have the bruising center they didn’t have last year. They have some of the best depth in the league. They have one of the best 2 guards in JR Smith. They have some serious defensive players on their bench.

    It is mystifying that they are so bad playing together. It would be one thing if they were losing and Stat/Melo were scoring 65 points between them. They are 2 of the worst players on the team now.

  74. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Tonight really demonstrates how incredible a defender Tyson Chandler is.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Fields should have been in there before now and where is Smth? (I was on the phone for almost the entire first half but was trying to watch with the sound off)

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    THAT’S what I want to see. Fight for that damned ball!

  77. BBFan March 7th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I do not think Melo is a good fit with the rest of the players.
    They are better off trading him for some good pieces.
    I know it is not going to happen….

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Gee they’ve shaved a lot off. If only they could stop the Spurs from answering every time they get something.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    The Spurs really set up well.

  80. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Many NY sports teams could use an order of protection from their owners/ mgmt.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    This is dreadful.

    :(

  82. tomingeorgia March 7th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    luis,
    Watch your step. Seriously.

  83. blake March 7th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Tex does do a lot of things wrong from the left side mechanically….but in the past he made up for it by being super strong and super talented…..also I think the poor mechanics have become more exaggerated the last couple of seasons…..he may be in a slight physical decline at 32 but I wouldn’t think it would be so much that he can’t still be better than he has been recently……he still rakes right handed so Im hopefully the changes he’s made swing wiss, better flexibility , and better approach can get him closer to the guy he was in 2009……if so its a big boost to the lineup.

  84. blake March 7th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    The Knicks need to trade Melo somewhere where he can hog the ball and nobody will care….

  85. Against All Odds March 7th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    The Knicks are stuck with him Blake.

  86. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Blake

    I’m guessing you have no desire to be a Knicks fan anymore

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Nothing is dropping for the Knicks. Just one of those nights.

  88. luis March 7th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    tomingeorgia March 7th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    luis,
    Watch your step. Seriously.

    Hi Tom,

    What do you mean?

  89. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    LINSANITY was all about great defense, ball movement, and Lin attacking the basket. All that is gone with how awful Melo and Amare have played.
    ======================================
    And then Melo returned from his injury.

  90. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I feel bad I allowed Trisha to become a Knicks fan. Can’t let blake suffer the same fate.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    LGY – you know how I am once my loyalty is in place. I’m not going anywhere.

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    It’s just depressing to see the Spurs having their way without a peep.

  93. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    To say they should fire dantoni is too easy.
    They are just a conglomeration of mixed up parts with no direction or scheme.
    No different from past years, only more talent.

  94. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Melo is a chucker. Amare is a statue.
    Which one do you trade?
    As long as dolan is making money, neither…

  95. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Last week the Baron was talking championship.
    My, how fast things can change.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    I want to scream.

    NO FOUL CALLED?

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Hell at least Shumpert is tyring to make things happen.

  98. LGY March 7th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    LOL. Now that the Knicks have no chance of winning Melo is hitting shots.

  99. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Nets over the Clippers at the buzzer.
    Go Nets!!!!!

  100. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Once Amare was the man, then came Melo, then Jeremy but without Chandler they are doomed. The rest are spare parts, all teams have them. They are a mirage.

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Shumpert plays his ass off. I can’t say the same for everyone else on the floor.

  102. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    The basketball version of the “kneel down ” is just awkward.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Those seven straight weren’t a mirage. It really started to fall apart when Melo returned. Coincidence?

  104. NYYanksFan March 7th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    I’m tired of hearing about Tex making adjustments. Time to see them.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Oh well. Onward and upward. Maybe someone can find an answer. Maybe D’Atoni can grow the backbone to sit Anthony while he tries different configurations.

    Night all.

  106. mick March 7th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Knicks didn’t make adjustments in Tex.

  107. jr1212 March 7th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Melo is arguably the best pure scorer in the league..you dont trade guys like him. Heck even when he wanted out from Denver they didnt want to trade him. This team just doesnt look comfortable. They dont know wheter they want to move the ball around, play Iso or just shoot threes. Lin is a great story but he hasnt been playing all the great either weather it be him trying to be more of a facilitator or teams focusing on him more. I still think this team can be dangerous when they figure out their identity

  108. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    The Yankees got Teixeira to produce runs, and he’s done that for three years, 101 runs scored, 33 doubles, 35 homers, 112 RBI and 84 walks. They didn’t sign him to win batting titles.

  109. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    The Yankees got Teixeira to produce runs, and he’s done that for three years, 101 runs scored, 33 doubles, 35 homers, 112 RBI and 84 walks. They didn’t sign him to win batting titles.

    This is simplifying it too greatly. A player is more than the sum of their RBIs. What about when Tex comes up with no one on base? Or in a non-RBI situation? A player being paid 22 million needs to do more than the bare minimum. His average, and OBP have declined each year. His SLG is off from 2009 and his career rates.

    Putting up RBIs is easy when you’re hitting in the Yankee lineup. Putting up RBIs is easy when you hit in the middle of any order. Mike Morse had 95 RBIs in 10 less games than Mark Teixeira hitting in the nationals offense.

    I don’t think the Yankees paid him 22.5 million a year to be barely above the average for a first baseman.

  110. Pat M. March 7th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    GB…..No matter Tex does it will not be enough…..The guy loses about 30-35 hits a season due to the shift which is the difference of hitting .250 and .300……

  111. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    No matter Tex does it will not be enough…..The guy loses about 30-35 hits a season due to the shift which is the difference of hitting .250 and .300……

    He could simply OPS near .900 and then it will be enough. Boo hoo he loses hits because of the shift, that is a pretty absurd thing to complain about. Lots of players lose hits because of a defensive alignment, doesn’t excuse their suckiness.

    If a player is performing worse because its easy to defeat them with a simple defensive alignment, then they shouldn’t be signed or signed at a rate that takes into account their likely production. David Ortiz managed to hit .300 despite being shifted on. A 39 year old Jim Thome managed to hit .280 against the shift! And OPS over 1!

    You really think Tex is living up to his career and his contract? Putting up a Lyle Overbay type season?

  112. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Morse isn’t hitting behind the guy that led the league in RBI either.

  113. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Isn’t .877 OPS close to .900?

  114. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Morse isn’t hitting behind the guy that led the league in RBI either.

    You think Granderson cleared the bases every time up? Tex had more PA than Morse with RISP.

  115. Bronx Jeers March 7th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Tex hit .225 from the left side. .325 OBP

    89 hits vs 85 K’s.

    His last couple of postseasons series have been horrid.

    But it’s not like he’s satisfied with his production. Let’s see if he adjusts.

  116. dogface March 7th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Morse isn’t hitting behind the guy that led the league in RBI either.

    ====================================

    Teixeira got 85 more plate appearances with men on base than Morse.

  117. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Isn’t .877 OPS close to .900?

    Yes, but Tex has not been close to .877 in the last 2 seasons. And certainly not last season. I get that you’re averaging his three seasons, but its heavily, heavily weighted by his first season, which was .100 OPS points HIGHER than his other 2 seasons!

  118. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    PAT M.,

    I can agree that he’s become more pull conscience in his 3 years. I don’t know why because he can hit ‘em out in any direction. Reminds me of a much more productive Giambi in that respect, though his defense saves a ton of base runners on throws to him and balls hit to him. As close to Mattingly as I’ve seen and he’s fearless on his throws. I’d love to see him hitting .290 or .300 again, but, I’d like to see all Yankee hitters add 30-40 points, too. I’m happy with his run production. That severe left handed uppercut is worse on his average than hitting into the shift. What caused that uppercut, I don’t know. Maybe it’s a weak left knee that he’s hiding…but, it sure looks like Mantle’s swing late in his career.

  119. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Dropping from .948 to .846 and then .835 in consecutive seasons? .100 OPS points is huge, GB7. Thats the difference between Derek Jeter and Khalil Greene or Marco Scutaro over the 2000s.

  120. dogface March 7th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Lyle Overbay type of season??? Kinda harsh, dude.

  121. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Lyle Overbay type of season??? Kinda harsh, dude.

    Well he did put up nearly the same OPS in 2009.

  122. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    (It was actually .003 points better than Tex’s year)

  123. Nick in SF March 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    OPS? Defensive shift? What the hell!

    There’s a warehouse full of juice presses gathering dust, Tex needs to move some inventory.

    http://newyork.grubstreet.com/.....rship.html

  124. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Jesus…you people act as though nobody else ever had a two year down-turn at that age. Ken Griffey, Jr, for one. Godm what would you be saying about Mantle in 1959 and 1960? That he’s finished…a dog?

  125. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Oh yea? Mantle in 59 and 1960? When he was 50% better than the league average? Someone would say he is finished because he only OPS’d .960????? Please, give some more hyperbole. He was 2nd in the league in OPS in 59, first in 60. Tex is not anywhere near 2nd or first.

  126. Jerkface March 7th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    No one is saying Tex is finished or a dog either, as you once again try to use hyperbole (poorly) for whatever you think is a good reason.

  127. Bronx Jeers March 8th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    10$ for a juice?

    He’s screwing us from both ends!

  128. Nick in SF March 8th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Worse, he charges $12 when he squeezes from the left side. :mad:

  129. Nick in SF March 8th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    “Someone would say he is finished because he only OPS’d .960?????”

    No, but someone would have argued that the new medium of television was making lowly fans think that Mantle was finished.

  130. Pat M. March 8th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Nick in SF….I’ll be at Staples for The UCLA game and then after dinner The Cal Game with their newly anointed Pac 12 player & defensive player of the year….A few rows up from the scorers table it looks like…….

  131. Nick in SF March 8th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    What time is your dinner, I think Cal is playing at 6pm tomorrow???

  132. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Old people eat dinner at like 10 am

  133. Pat M. March 8th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Nick in SF…..Many good places to eat outside of Staples and the Nokia …..Two blocks away and there’s a few great taco trucks….One guy has great Chili Rellenos….

  134. Nick in SF March 8th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    I would head over to K Town after the Cal game and fill up on yukejang.

    I know a good place there that’s open 24/7/366 this year, it’s comforting to know you can always get in.

  135. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Yeah and Mantle dropped nearly 100 points after four years of well over a 1.000 and Mantle was considerably younger. As I said, dropping off for two straight years is hardly unusual, even for super studs before rebounding.

  136. Pat M. March 8th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Thanks’ Face for the geyser comment…I guess that was for me…….GB, you’re pissing in the wind my man…

  137. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Mantle dropped from heights rarely attained by mortal ball players, and dropped into equally lofty heights as I pointed out. Tex dropped to a level of an average regular. He was on a hall of fame course before the past 2 seasons. And the problem is very clear, he has become a platoon hitter against righthanders. He could bounce back, infact he needs to bounce back. No one is denying the possibility, but you don’t have to so blindly defend the fact that the past 2 seasons have been incredibly subpar. How could any tex fan be satisfied with them?

  138. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    “The Knicks need to trade Melo somewhere where he can hog the ball and nobody will care….”

    I can live with Melo being a high volume shooter. I can’t live with a player that doesn’t commit on the defensive end.

  139. UnKnown March 8th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    How about Martin showing off his wheels so far this spring. Be nice if he can grab a few bags during the season this year.

  140. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 1:15 am

    How times have changed. Last year, nothing would do until the Knicks made the trade for Carmelo anthony. now, the same people can’t wait to run him out of town. Next year, it’ll be Lin’s turn to pack up and go.

  141. Bret The Hitman March 8th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    i love the south

  142. BD (Boston Dave) March 8th, 2012 at 3:01 am

    i love the west

  143. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 6:15 am

    Gotcha both covered.

    I love the Southwest.

    ;)

  144. randy l. March 8th, 2012 at 6:28 am

    mtu-

    i hate to ask a stupid question, but isn’t it like 4:30 am out there?

  145. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 6:33 am

    Randy-

    Couldn’t sleep.

    The crawling crud woke me up again.

    So I decided not to fight it.

    I’m usually up pretty early anyway.

    I was wondering if anyone was up yet.

  146. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 6:39 am

    Randy-

    You in Maine or Fla. right now ?

  147. randy l. March 8th, 2012 at 6:46 am

    mtu-

    i ‘m up and ready for trouble.

    my only experience in the southwest was my grand canyon adventure in the late 60′s and a weekend at prescott college interviewing there.

    it is amazing out there.

  148. randy l. March 8th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    i’m in maine right now. just got back, but have already been to cape cod too.
    i like to get around. nomadic by nature.

  149. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Randy-

    Prescott is a beautiful area.

    Considered moving there.

    A bit too pricey for us.

    It is indeed amazing out here.

    At least FWIS. You can tell by my enthusiasm.

    I have tried to share some of it thru the Photos I have posted over the years.

    If you ever come out this way again let me know.

    It would be my pleasure to show some of it to you.

    :)

  150. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 6:56 am

    Randy-

    I have been known to do a little wandering myself.

    Been some pretty fascinating places and had some wonderful experiences.

  151. randy l. March 8th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    i was looking at a golf course in carrzozo,nm on craigslist a few weeks ago.

    it was free, but you had to take a 30 year lease on.

    i would have done it. but it didn’t have any grass, just dirt.

    nice clubhouse though.

  152. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Randy-

    Not quite sure what part of the State that’s in but I can tell you NM is a fantastic place IMO.

    It is my 2nd favorite.

    We lived there for many years.

    A little in ABQ. The rest in the mountains betwen there and Santa Fe.

    Another Paradise.

    Still miss the chilli.

    The great golf out this way is wasted on someone like me. Never played.

    18 holes on a beautiful course is $50 and that includes the cart.

    One of my neighbors plays all the time. He’s a true Golfoholic.

    :)

  153. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    MTU March 8th, 2012 at 6:33 am
    Randy-

    Couldn’t sleep.

    The crawling crud woke me up again.

    So I decided not to fight it.

    I’m usually up pretty early anyway.

    I was wondering if anyone was up yet.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How in the world did Jerk and ID ever find you out there?

  154. NYYanksFan March 8th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    I didn’t mean Tex is finished or a dog.

    I meant stop talking about what you have to do. He’s like someone who says I have to quit drinking everytime he reaches for a beer. Quit or don’t quit but stop saying you have to and then don’t.

  155. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Randy-

    Just looked up Carizozzo.

    Nice area.

    Been to Cloudcroft and Alamgordo which are both down that way.

    Ruidoso is also very nice and is nearby.

  156. willwill March 8th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Hmmm…

    Irabu
    Igawa
    Kuroda?

    Hmmmmm

  157. PacoDooley March 8th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    UnKnown March 7th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    So I guess Napoli said he saw 7 different pitches from Yu today. A fastball, curve, slider, cu, cutter, splitter, and sinker.

    That’s a lot of different looks from one guy…
    —————————

    Just watched the highlights from Darvish’s day – looked great and legit in his first appearance. I am guessing that we will all curse the day that the Yankees didn’t go hard on the bidding (still hard to complain given the crazy large posting fee).

  158. PacoDooley March 8th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    willwill March 8th, 2012 at 7:22 am
    Hmmm…

    Irabu
    Igawa
    Kuroda?

    Hmmmmm
    ——————————————–

    I have to say, I have this fear that Kuroda will be the next Javy Vasquez – come from a successful season in the NL to struggle in the AL East. His stuff looked good in the first inning and I am hoping that he succeeds, but I still have that fear in the back of my mind…

  159. blake March 8th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    “I have to say, I have this fear that Kuroda will be the next Javy Vasquez”

    Javy struggled because his fastball went from 92-94 to 86-88 over the winter after they traded for him….ill always believe he was hiding a shoulder injury. Kuroda hit 93 in his first spring start…..you can’t guarantee success for anybody but I don’t see many similarities between Kuroda and Javy.

  160. blake March 8th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    MTU,

    I thought you were over the crud?

  161. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Blake-

    It is very encouraging seeing Kuroda lighting up the gun that way this early.

    I agree. Should be no comp with Vasquez.

    Don’t see it.

  162. dogface March 8th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    I have to say, I have this fear that Kuroda will be the next Javy Vasquez

    =====================================

    Can’t imagine being as bad as that, but I also don’t think he’s going to be especially outstanding either. 4.50 ERA or so. Good enough to win plenty of games, but nothing exceptional.

  163. blake March 8th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I think Darvish will be good…..and for the pre-budget Yankees he would have made a ton of sense…..however given their financial restraints…..I just don’t think they wanted to invest that much money in a guy with question marks.

    Would I have rather signed Darvish …..and kept Montero …..sure…..but my guess is that Hal said no to that.

  164. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    blake-

    Not totally. It’s hangin’ on a bit.

    Dr. gave me a light course of antibiotics to try and knock it out 100%.

    It does not seem to affect me during the day. I have been hiking.

    It gets me during the Night and especially 1st thing in the AM.

    I haven’t been sick in a long time. Maybe I am just making up for lost time.

    Thanks for askin’.

    :)

  165. dogface March 8th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    however given their financial restraints…..I just don’t think they wanted to invest that much money in a guy with question marks

    ===================================

    Don’t even think it’s the questions marks. It’s just the financial restraints, IMO. When there were no financial restraints, they didn’t mind throwing big money at Burnett, who has always been amng the league leaders in question marks. If the budget alloewed for it, I think they almost certainly would have pushed much harder for Darvish and held on to Montero.

  166. blake March 8th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    DF,

    You coukd be right…..but unless you think there is a full run era difference between the AL and NL then his track record really doesn’t suggest that…..id expect a high 3s era and slightly worse peripherals across the board…..with 5 or so more wins.

  167. blake March 8th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    DF,

    Apparently they would have traded for Felix Hernandez….and he makes more than Darvish….so I think the question marks do factor in…..if he were a sure thing at that money they would have won the bidding and signed him IMO….for example….had that been Cole Hamels that they bid on….then they would have because of the tax savings.

  168. dogface March 8th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    *amOng the league leaders….

  169. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    No particular expectations for Hiroki.

    I had never seen him pitch before.

    For this early in the season his stuff looked really good to me.

    He is a competitor.

    The combo of good stuff and being an experienced competitor should lead to good results even in the AL East.

    Guess we’ll find out.

    ;)

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    If the budget alloewed for it, I think they almost certainly would have pushed much harder for Darvish and held on to Montero.
    ///

    They’ve been trying to trade him for 3 years. They barely let him catch last Fall because they knew they were dealing him. The manager has never had him in his plans. It’s clear now they were never going to hold onto Montero, didn’t you hear Girardi waxing poetic about all the options he has with the DH spot “open”? He was almost giddy, bursting with the possibilities.

  171. dogface March 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    didn’t you hear Girardi waxing poetic about all the options he has with the DH spot “open”?

    ================================================

    Hey! That opening allowed them to secure the services of the immortal Raul Ibanez. What more do you want?

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Yeah, I’d laugh if I wasn’t sick to my stomach.

  173. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    JAP,

    Yea I feel kinda dumb for preaching that they wouldn’t trade Montero when now it appears that they were likely going to all along……now that I think of it…..the game in LA against the Angels where they put Posada behind the plate and then flew Romine there the next day all to avoid catching Jesus ……was probably foreshadowing that I refused to acknowledge

  174. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    JAP-

    The fact that they traded for Pineda also tells me that they do not have that much faith in Betances
    either.

    And possibly Banuelos too.

    Despite the hype they must consider them very raw and totally unproven otherwise why target Pineda.

    Wasn’t Betances supposed to be Pineda next season ?

    Don’t get me wrong. I like Pineda. I just think the logic behind the trade is a bit confusing.

    At least to me.

  175. mick March 8th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    MTU
    Think Matt Cain at the deadline.
    For either of the B’s.
    Keeping their innings down so as not to expose any weaknesses.

  176. dogface March 8th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    JAP:

    No question that Montero had been offered around over the course of the past couple of seasons. However, let’s not forget the targets in those efforts were the elite pitchers of the game. Hernandez, Halladay and Lee were the targets IIRC. That’s a deal you probably have to make, IMO. This Pineda thing? Well, I too am not wild about it for a lot of the same reasons you’re not. At the same time though, I don’t think the Yankees are guilty of giving up a dollar and getting 75 cents back. Montero is without question a high end commodity in the baseball world, but I’m not sure there is any greater commodity than a top of the rotation starter with 5-6 years of team control.

  177. mick March 8th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    The Yankee product is not conducive to patience and speculation.

  178. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Mick-

    Isn’t he on the verge of signing an extension with SF ?

    I thought there were rumors to that effect on MLBTR just the other day.

  179. mick March 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    MTU
    Rumors are just that.
    Part of the fabric of negotiation.

  180. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    About Cain from the other day :

    “Latest On Matt Cain

    By Tim Dierkes [March 6 at 8:03am CST]

    The Giants and Matt Cain appear to have positive momentum in contract extension talks, based on this passage from Andrew Baggarly of CSNBayArea.com:

    From what I’ve been told, the two sides have reached greater common ground in recent weeks. Cain wants to stay and the Giants have the wherewithal to keep him. Those tend to be the most important factors. It’ll be a surprise to many, both in the organization and out, if Cain’s deal doesn’t get done before the season starts.

    The Giants open the season in Arizona one month from today. Cain, a CAA Sports client, has signed extensions with the Giants twice before. The second contract bought out one free agent year, giving Cain a $15MM salary in 2012 before he’s eligible for free agency. As a 27-year-old in his prime, Cain should become the seventh pitcher in baseball history to sign for more than $100MM. There’s “no shot” he signs for less, a person familiar with the situation told Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.”

  181. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    If Hughes and company all do well this season I could see Betances being moved.

    Provided that he stays healthy and has a good season at AAA.

    Or maybe they decide to move Hughes ?

    Hughes salary is on the rise though so he might be less appealing to some potential trade partners.

    It’s an interesting situation.

  182. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    new thread —–>

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