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Ibanez in right in Dunedin

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 08, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner CF
Francisco Cervelli C
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez RF
Bill Hall LF
Justin Maxwell DH
Jayson Nix 2B
Ramiro Pena SS

RHP Ivan Nova

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62 Responses to “Ibanez in right in Dunedin”

  1. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Cain is getting extended…..and it wouldn’t shock me if the Phillies made a big offer to Hamels either……

    The Yanks probably didn’t have a great feeling about the availability of either of those guys and apparently didn’t trust the pitching they had in the system.enough to pass on the Pineda deal.

  2. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    That’s the inference I draw from their actions too.

    Also. That they did not see Jesus as a even a BUC. They did not see a place for the bat.

    I wonder if that is misguided and if they will regret that ?

    I do like Pineda. Glad we have him. But the logic behind his acquisition is a little perplexing even though we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

    :(

  3. upstate kate March 8th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Blake
    Didn’t trust the pitching, or didn’t think they were ready for this season? It will be interesting to see what happens next year when Kuroda is gone.

  4. BD (Boston Dave) March 8th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Blake,

    IMO, adding Pineda sets the Yanks up to have one of the top rotations in the game for the next 5-6 years.

    It’s hard to complain about that, though there’s no shortage of it here.

  5. Best To Ever Do It March 8th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    and apparently didn’t trust the pitching they had in the system

    ————————————

    Isn’t that an indictment on the Yankees?

  6. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “Isn’t that an indictment on the Yankees?”

    It certainly says they they prefer the higher probability guy.

    That’s for sure.

    Bird in the hand kinda thing.

    ;)

  7. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    “IMO, adding Pineda sets the Yanks up to have one of the top rotations in the game for the next 5-6 years.”

    I agree…..but coukd they have had a really good rotation in a couple of years without Pineda anyway?

  8. Duh Innings March 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....yFnEvB6fYI

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  9. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Blake-

    64 thousand dollar question.

    Put another way, was the Montero trade necessary ?

    Apparently they did not want to gamble.

    ;)

  10. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “Isn’t that an indictment on the Yankees?”

    I think its more just the reality of the situation and on where they are placing value.

    The Yankees are betting that their lineup can stay good as age mounts and they are betting they can find offense if they need it……Im not as confident as they are in that regard but they get paid to make these decisions so we just have to hope they are right.

  11. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    i.e. They consider Pineda much more of a sure thing than either of the 2 B’s.

  12. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    “Put another way, was the Montero trade necessary ?”

    I don’t think so….but its not up to me. If they can somehow find a way to trade pitching excess for a young bat then ill understand the move a lot more…..

  13. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    As much as I disagree with it, trading Montero for Pineda is justifiable, BUT they have to have gotten it right. Pineda has to turn into a #1 within three years, and a #2 by some time next year.

  14. Best To Ever Do It March 8th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “Isn’t that an indictment on the Yankees?”

    I think its more just the reality of the situation and on where they are placing value.

    The Yankees are betting that their lineup can stay good as age mounts and they are betting they can find offense if they need it……Im not as confident as they are in that regard but they get paid to make these decisions so we just have to hope they are right.

    —————————-

    Hopefully they are not because you are right picking up offense isn’t as easy as people think.

  15. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    i.e. They consider Pineda much more of a sure thing than either of the 2 B’s.”

    Yup….I mean if Pineda is what they think he is and just one of Manny/Betances pans out then you have a really good front 3 that’s young enough for a long run of success. That’s what they are banking on….that and that they can remain good enough offensively to augment a hopefully really good young rotation.

    They’ve seen Tampa make the playoffs with no offense and a deep rotation…..

  16. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Blake-

    That may be what happens. They trade a guy like Betances for an OF’er.

    As you said they pay these guys the big bucks to make these types of calls.

    Cashman himself said it was a tortuous decsion fraught with risk.

    It definitely took some Huevos.

    If it breaks badly for the Yankees Cashman might feel the effect down the road.

    I hope it works out well for both sides especially ours.

    :)

  17. blake March 8th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    “Pineda has to turn into a #1 within three years, and a #2 by some time next year.”

    I think he could pitch like a 2 this year…..unless the velocity stuff persists into a Verducci effect thing or something……he’s really good…..and Im super excited to have him.

  18. blake March 8th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    “That may be what happens. They trade a guy like Betances for an OF’er.”

    Just wondering who? I don’t think they need a star player necessarily ……they just need a good solid and cost controlled guy that can give an alternative to Swisher …..your boy in KC would be really nice…..I don’t know how available he is though or what they’d want for him…..

  19. Best To Ever Do It March 8th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    hopefully they are*

  20. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    blake-

    One difference between Tampa and us is that they have a better track record developing young guys.

    I’m hoping we have learned from some of our mistakes in that regard.

    The indications are a little more favorable especially with the patience being shown on the 2 B’s.

    I am still a little concerned that our MiLB Pitching development is still not up to snuff.

    Guess we’re gonna find out soon enough.

    I hope it is.

    :)

  21. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    There is too much talk of trading Betances at this point.

  22. Erin March 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    :(

    DanBarbarisi David Robertson fell down stairs moving boxes – in a walking boot. Xrays negative, but he’ll miss time

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Pineda needs to be a 20-game type for the next five years to roughly approximate the shredder and masher I expect Montero to be. He’s even quieter at the plate this ST. The man is 22, and already preternatural in the box. He’s a mere pup, but he comes to the plate and the feeling is, how the hell you getting this guy out…the Yankees have traded a young Albert Pujols, that’s what they’ve done. That’s not hyperbole, that’s understanding the magnitude of this kid’s talents. If that’s alright with you, well then, I guess that’s alright with you.

  24. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    blake-

    Gordon needs to replicate what he did last year.

    If he does I’m not sure he’s obtainable w/o extreme sacrifice.

    Not sure I’d want to deal with Drayton Moore.

    It will be interesting to see what happens though.

  25. blake March 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “There is too much talk of trading Betances at this point.”

    Eh…I just think he’s probably the highest value guy that Id consider moving at this point. That doesn’t mean Id trade him just to trade him of course…..but if he could net you a young bat (like an Alex Gordon ) then id consider it. The disclaimer of course with all of this is its just hypothetical fan talk…..

  26. Erin March 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    DanBarbarisi Robertson will have MRI today. Not much swelling, but hes in pain walking, and limping.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    .the game in LA against the Angels where they put Posada behind the plate and then flew Romine there the next day all to avoid catching Jesus ……was probably foreshadowing that I refused to acknowledge
    ///

    Yeah, nothing like telegraphing their intentions. Then and there, somebody should have ripped the keys away from these reckless people.

  28. blake March 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    “DanBarbarisi David Robertson fell down stairs moving boxes – in a walking boot. Xrays negative, but he’ll miss time”

    Always hire people Drob…..hasn’t he seen For Love of the Game….carry the pillows not boxes.

  29. Best To Ever Do It March 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Erin March 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    :(

    DanBarbarisi David Robertson fell down stairs moving boxes – in a walking boot. Xrays negative, but he’ll miss time

    ———————————-

    Crap

  30. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Hope D-Rob’s injury isn’t too serious.

    Man. That just sucks.

    :(

  31. Erin March 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    DanBarbarisi Joe Girardi still optimistic that Robertson will be back in time for season, but only time will tell

  32. ac1 March 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Bryan Hoch: ? David Robertson fell down stairs last night moving boxes and hurt his right foot. In walking boot, sent for MRI. X-rays negative

    ___

    That’s great :/

  33. blake March 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    MTU,

    The thing with Gordon though from KCs perspective is that he already has 4 years service time……so he’s going to start getting expensive for them ….

  34. MTU March 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    new thread —–>

  35. Benny Blanco March 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I strongly believe that Betances wont finish his career as a yankee. They will keep banuelos and package betances and other pitching excess to get a bat. I just don’t see betances staying with the yanks.

  36. Erin March 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    New Post: Robertson sent for MRI on right foot

    :arrow:

  37. mick March 8th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Why is Kuroda gone next year?

  38. Best To Ever Do It March 8th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Erin March 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    DanBarbarisi Robertson will have MRI today. Not much swelling, but hes in pain walking, and limping.

    ——————–

    crap again

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    JAP:

    No question that Montero had been offered around over the course of the past couple of seasons. However, let’s not forget the targets in those efforts were the elite pitchers of the game. Hernandez, Halladay and Lee were the targets IIRC. That’s a deal you probably have to make, IMO.
    ///

    No, I don’t agree. A mid-order absolute stud to twin with Cano, in the lineup every day is more valuable. I realize I counter conventional wisdom here, but the one thing going for Pineda (considering his upside) is that he has not, like Felix, been pounding his arm for several years. Now, if he blows his arm out – and there are people who have been predicting not whether, but WHEN he has his TJ moment – then all bets are off, but at least they didn’t get a guy whose done his best work for someone else (at least, I hope not).

    The Yankees have enough good pitching that they did not need to do this. The idea that it was a “necessity” is so beyond a crock it insults one’s intelligence. Cashman told you: he had “a dream.” Translation: I can’t seem to maximize the pitching talent I keep drafting, so I’ll just hope someone else has done the dirty work, here.

    I do agree that if Pineda pans out, and they let Betances and Banuelos put in their innings, and they in turn, both pan out, then you have a nasty rotation when guys like Sanchez and Williams hit the majors (assuming they continue to thrive and Sanchez isn’t dealt away for being too much of a “slacker” for GI Joe). That, of course, will be the vicinity of 2014/2015, with those hitters just getting themselves oriented, if they arrive on schedule. I’m a fan who welcomes being witness to that kind of transition phase – especially when it comes to integrating system guys with tremendous promise. For me, that’s great fun. But I can’t sit here and say I expect the Yankees to be logical any more. I have faith in the system guys, and in Oppenheimer, but little in Cashman/Girardi.

  40. dogface March 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    The thing with Gordon though from KCs perspective is that he already has 4 years service time……so he’s going to start getting expensive for them

    ==================================

    Won’t be a problem for the Royals. They’ve got next to nothing on the books in the years ahead. They can easily afford to keep that young group of bats together and add some pitching.

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