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Thursday notes: “It’s got to be something”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 08, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova knows the meeting is coming. At some point on Friday, Larry Rothschild is going to pull him in front of a video screen and show him the footage of today’s start in Dunedin.

“I know for sure tomorrow we’re going to talk about it,” Nova said.

Nova’s fastball hit 95 mph. He was happy with his slider and happy with his changeup, but much like his previous start against the Phillies, Nova’s command was unreliable at best. He fell behind often against the Blue Jays, and it was a 2-0 pitch that J.P. Arencibia hit for a home run. Hunter Pence homered on a 3-0 pitch from Nova five days ago.

“I throw, for me, perfect bullpens,” Nova said. “Once I get out there, sometimes, I guess I do too much. I think that’s what happened, maybe. I’ve got to figure it out… Sometimes you can be open too much or too quick. The first inning was really good, I wasn’t pushing my body or anything like that. The second and third inning (were bad). It’s got to be something.”

Nova said he doesn’t feel out of shape, and he’s encouraged that his velocity suggests his arm strength is where it needs to be. He just needs to get his mechanics ironed out. Joe Girardi said he’s still a long way from making a judgment about Nova.

“These guys are just getting ready to compete and getting their arm strength,” Girardi said. “We saw some velocity out of him today. We saw some 95s today. They’re still going through all of that.”

• The Yankees were on the verge of a second consecutive shutout when Colin Curtis hit a solo home run in the ninth inning to leave the Yankees with a 6-1 loss. Ramiro Pena was the only Yankee with two hit, and other than the Curtis home run, Pena’s double was the team’s only extra-base hit. Brett Gardner, Mark Teixeira, Brandon Laird, Justin Maxwell and Doug Bernier each singled in the game.

• David Phelps let one of Nova’s runners scored on a passed ball by Francisco Cervelli, but otherwise, Phelps pitched 2.1 innings allowing one hit, two walks and a strikeout. I didn’t think he was especially sharp, but he settled in a little bit.

• If he’s going to have a chance of making this team — and the Yankees seem to be giving him a legitimate look — Cesar Cabral is going to have to retire lefties. Giving up a home run to lefty Travis Snider didn’t exactly help his cause this afternoon. It also didn’t help that lefty Eric Thames singled off him later in the inning.

• Raul Ibanez looked fine in right field. He only had two chances to make a play and one of those was a ground ball. The other was a fly ball near the foul line, and Ibanez made a running catch for the out. Not the hardest play in the world, but he made it with no problem. “You have to take balls, and see more balls hit out there,” Ibanez said. “Today was a great thing to be able to go out there, spend a little time out there, and catch one. Angle off the bat is good.”

• Dellin Betances and Dan Burawa each pitched around some trouble to leave runners on base and pitch scoreless seventh and eighth innings. It was a better-than-last-time appearance for Betances.

• As you can imagine, everyone was pretty focused on Dave Robertson after the game. Most conversations centered on his injured foot, but Girardi really didn’t have many answers. “There’s always something in every camp,” Girardi said. “It seems like there’s something freaky that happens.”

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46 Responses to “Thursday notes: “It’s got to be something””

  1. Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    “ID,
    Very good point, i think is due in part for drug testing but as well that teams in general have directed their better athletes in to pitching. I wonder if there any way to settle this issue with hard data.”

    luis – It would be ridiculously difficult to come to a “clean” answer… but you would have to start with assuming a production marker (probably wRC or WAR something like that) and then do standard deviation charts for years and years and years… for both pitchers and hitters… and see if the upper “elite” tiers are actually growing or shrinking for either. Then you would better understand the actual changes in the talent pool, and the effect it has on the results of both parties.

    Only then could you say for certain if hitting is becoming more scarce, or if pitching is becoming more prevalent, or both, or neither…

  2. Cashmoney March 8th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Yay or Nay

    Nova straight up for Alex Gordon.

  3. luis March 8th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    ID,

    Thanks, it seems a gigantic undertaking. Very well explained though, props

  4. luis March 8th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Cash,

    Nay

  5. m March 8th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    If the Royals do that, why not?

  6. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 8th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    “Yay or Nay

    Nova straight up for Alex Gordon.”

    Of course.

  7. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 8th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Oops never mind on Gordon

    Just checked to see who his agent was.

    I’d Rather keep Nova instead.

  8. luis March 8th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Boras

  9. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Just checked to see who his agent was.

    I’d Rather keep Nova instead.

    ?? Casey Close? Is this because the Yankees dissed Jeter?

  10. luis March 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Anyone knows how Betances looked in his outing?

  11. blake March 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    “Nova straight up for Alex Gordon.”

    That’s a tough one….nay

  12. Cashmoney March 8th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    I don’t know if either side would do the deal at this point, but I think it’s a reasonable trade proposal that might make sense for both teams.

  13. blake March 8th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    If Gordon had more control left and I knew he was that player from last year then sure Id do it…..but I don’t know that.

  14. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Here’s a look at the possible farm rosters. not set yet, though.

    http://minormatterstrenton.blogspot.com/

  15. Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    If Hughes is good I would do that trade… if not… no. Someone between Nova and Hughes needs to be good. I really don’t was to rely on repeat magic from Garcia.

  16. luis March 8th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    If Hughes is good I would do that trade… if not… no. Someone between Nova and Hughes needs to be good. I really don’t was to rely on repeat magic from Garcia.

    ====================================

    In that case i rather trade Hughes….About the same years of team control left

  17. Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    GB – Those are just the work groups for the day, the guy on that blog is using them to predict the Trenton roster.

  18. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Isn’t that what I said? They are possible rosters and not set?

  19. Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Did you look at the lists? They aren’t the rosters at all.

  20. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Before the list, a preamble: Despite being named “Scranton,” “Trenton,” “Tampa,” and “Charleston,” these work groups have absolutely no bearing on which players will be assigned to which teams come April. They are simply the groups into which the Yankees have sorted the players for the day’s work down at the complex. The lists change often.

  21. Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    GB7 – He does other posts where he “guesses” at the trenton roster.

  22. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    They’re set up as groups and the players in each group are the ones most likely to go to the same teams in the system. If you feel the need to argue symantics, go bother somebody else. I’m not in the mood for your crap.

  23. Irreverent Discourse March 8th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Symantic makes bad anti-virus software.

  24. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    ***semantics***

  25. Cashmoney March 8th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    “I was just drying my head off in between innings after the second inning,” said Price, holding his head especially still. “It’s happened to me two times before, the towel kind of catches the back of my head and it pulls my neck forward and I just felt it a little bit in the back of my neck. I just want to be cautious with it.”

    Mayhaps that this will humor Drob.

  26. randy l. March 8th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    i wonder where cashman has been all week.

    you’d think he’d be in spring training with the team.

  27. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    i wonder where cashman has been all week.

    you’d think he’d be in spring training with the team.

    Who says he ain’t? And whats the big deal if he isn’t? He was there at the beginning of the spring training on March 2nd. Are you bothered he isn’t creating a big distraction for the team?

  28. Benny Blanco March 8th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    why are we trading hughes and nova again?

    It never fails, you guys will trade your siblings..lol

  29. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    benny, their siblings would probably welcome a trade just to get away from them.

  30. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Bizarre injuries? who else but, Ricky Henderson could fall asleep with an ice pack on him and get frost bite…in august.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    luis March 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    Anyone knows how Betances looked in his outing?
    ///

    luis, that’s what I’d like to know. What I do know is very little: a FO to CF, two ground ball singles, the first off Jorge Vazquez’s glove at 3B, although ruled a hit. Chad: was that a Jorge classic or was it a true hit? Then, he hit a guy, to load ‘em, and then got out of it with a double play. Didn’t throw that many pitches, wish they’d have given him a second inning.

  32. luis March 8th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Hi JAP,

    The fact that he basically kept the ball in the ground is a very good sign, who knows maybe they were both just well placed rollers…..Yes, i don’t understand why they didn’t give him the 2nd inning….Guess they needed to give work to others…Rapada didn’t help his cause today

  33. rm March 8th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    I’d take Gordon but KC would never make that trade

  34. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 8th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    “randy l. says:

    March 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    i wonder where cashman has been all week.

    you’d think he’d be in spring training with the team.”

    It’s in the newspapers especially with the court proceedings going on but to be honest with you …

    Does it really matter ?

    I see where you were trying to get at though.

  35. Benny Blanco March 8th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    @GB7,

    Its hilarious. I dont know we continue to do that. One minute hughes is going to be great again then we are trading him away. One second we love Nova, then we are packaging him together for a trade.

  36. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Luis-
    Rapada didn’t pitch today. You probably meant the other lefty Cabral. In fact Rapada is the only Yankee pitcher in the last two days to pitch a clean inning.

  37. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    One minute hughes is going to be great again then we are trading him away. One second we love Nova, then we are packaging him together for a trade.

    Are you sure the same group of people are engaging in this practice? Or are people with consistent view points bringing it up?

  38. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Negotiations between the Royals and Alex Gordon are in their early stages, but are expected to pick up later this spring, according to Rosenthal. Gordon will almost certainly look to sign for more than $55MM, the current Royals record, Rosenthal writes.
    —————————————-
    Royals certainly need starting pitching, but the Yankees aren’t trading for another corner OF’er,, only performing well one year, looking for a big payday.

  39. luis March 8th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    YT,

    Yes, thank you it was a mental fart!!

  40. GreenBeret7 March 8th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Newest contracts agreed to by young Yankees and Jeter’s newest fan.

    After working out with Derek Jeter during the winter at the Yankees’ minor league complex, minor league shortstop Cito Culver was spotted wearing Jeter’s No. 2 at the minor league facility this week.

    ***

    Michael Pineda and Ivan Nova are the highest-profile Yankees the club has agreed with on one-year contracts.

    Pineda, who is expected to be in Girardi’s rotation, will receive $528,475. Nova, who will likely join Pineda as a starter, gets $527,200.

    Eduardo Nunez and reliever Corey Wade will make $523,800 and $508,925, respectively.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1oZwa8Okx

  41. luis March 8th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Benny Blanco March 8th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    For the record: I said i wouldn’t do the trade.ID suggested that he might be willing to do it if both Nova and Hughes were doing great. I added in theory, if that was the case i would rather trade Hughes than Nova, because of of the number of control years.

    But again, i wouldn’t trade for Gordon.

  42. luis March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    GB,

    I think Cito was a big fan of Jeter way before the winter….But still a nice story, thank you.

  43. Benny Blanco March 8th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    My Biggest concern with the trade talks is this:

    As we all know, most of the very good starters are getting signed to extensions.

    Because we dont know the certainty of the yankee farm pitchers, why are we even considering trading away nova and hughes we they can be very good and under cost control to the yankees?

  44. Jerkface March 8th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    As we all know, most of the very good starters are getting signed to extensions.

    Most of the very good position players are also getting signed to extensions.

  45. blake March 8th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    “Because we dont know the certainty of the yankee farm pitchers, why are we even considering trading away nova and hughes we they can be very good and under cost control to the yankees?”

    the deal has to be right before you trade anybody….but Hughes and Nova are kinda two different animals right now. Hughes only has 2 years of control left before he’s a FA counting this year….Nova has 5

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock March 8th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    luis, yes Betances is Mr. GB, especially last year in Trenton. He was throwing 94 in his first appearance and today he’s getting groundballs and was apparently throwing strikes, so that is good.

    Chad: any feedback on Betances?

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