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Spring training Game 8: Yankees vs. Braves

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (2-4)
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Eric Chavez 3B
Russell Martin C
Andruw Jones LF
Chris Dickerson DH
Jorge Vazquez 1B

RHP Freddy Garcia (0-0, 9.00)
Garcia vs. Braves

BRAVES (1-5)
Michael Bourn CF
Tyler Pastornicky SS
Matt Diaz RF
Freddie Freeman 1B
David Ross C
Christian Bethancourt DH
Drew Sutton 2B
Brandon Hicks 3B
Jose Costanza LF

RHP Julio Teheran (0-0, 31.50)
Teheran vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES Network

WEATHER: Chance of rain later tonight, but should be same as usual during the game, just a few clouds in the sky and temperatures in the low 80s.

UMPIRES: HP Mark Carlson, 1B Eric Cooper, 2B Marty Foster, 3B Paul Emmel

BRAVES BULLPEN: After Julio Teheran, the Braves are scheduled to use RHP Cristhian Martinez, RHP Todd Redmond, RHP Adam Russell and RHP Jairo Asencio.

SPLIT SQUAD: The Braves are a split squad today, playing one game against each New York team. Against the Mets, the Braves are starting Randall Delgado and using regular big league relievers Craig Kimbrel, Jonny Venters and Eric O’Flaherty. The Mets are pitching Dillon Gee against them.

TOP PROSPECT: Should be interesting to watch Teheran. He’s considered the top prospect in the Braves system, and he’s coming off a 2.55 ERA for Triple-A Gwinnett. He just turned 21, has a mid-90s fastball and an excellent changeup. He’s one of the better young pitchers in the game, so check him out if you can.

TWO IN A ROW: This is the first of two straight games between the Braves and Yankees. Tomorrow’s game is at the Braves complex at Disney, and the team has already sent an announcement that traffic is expected to be a little more heavy than usual. If you’re planning to go, you might want to give yourself a little extra time. Apparently there’s a lot of stuff happening at that Wide World of Sports complex where the Braves have their stadium.

UPDATE, 1:06 p.m.: Quick out for Garcia and we’re underway here in Tampa.

UPDATE, 1:11 p.m.: Garcia works a 1-2-3 first inning and Jeter leads off the bottom of the inning with an infield single.

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: Two-out RBI double by Swisher has the Yankees in front 1-0. Pretty hard-hit to left field. Landed at the base of the wall, not too far from a homer.

UPDATE, 1:27 p.m.: Garcia gets two strikeouts in the second inning, including one to end the inning with runners stranded at first and second.

UPDATE, 1:41 p.m.: Very nice play by Martin to get Michael Bourn out on a bunt along the third-base line. Helps Garcia work through a 1-2-3 third inning. Still a 1-0 Yankees lead.

UPDATE, 1:54 p.m.: Garcia is finished after his three scoreless. Here’s Rafael Soriano, who suddenly looks like less of a luxury arm now that Joba Chamberlain is still on the DL and Dave Robertson’s status is up in the air.

UPDATE, 1:59 p.m.: Mild outfield colision between Andruw Jones and Curtis Granderson. Looked like the wind got the ball a little bit and kind of blew it perfectly between the two of them. Granderson made the catch and wound up on the ground, but both players were laughing coming off the field. That was the third out of a perfect fourth inning for Soriano.

UPDATE, 2:03 p.m.: Eric Chavez leads off the bottom of the fourth with a double to deep right-center. Chavez was 1-for-8 up to that point, and I honestly thought he was hitless until I double checked the stats.

UPDATE, 2:07 p.m.: There’s Russell Martin’s third stolen base of the spring. The Yankees have four steals total. Chris Dickerson has the other one.

UPDATE, 2:18 p.m.: YES had that Banuelos fastball at 95 mph, perfectly placed for a called strike three to end the fifth inning. Banuelos stranded a double for a scorless inning and it’s still 1-0.

UPDATE, 2:26 p.m.: Walk by Jeter, single by Granderson and a sac fly by Cano.  

UPDATE, 2:37 p.m.: Another inning-ending strikeout for Banuelos. He strands a runner at third and keeps the Yankees in front 2-0.

UPDATE, 3:01 p.m.: Two-out double by Doug Bernier — just beat the throw to the bag — and Melky Mesa follows by dunking a bloop single into shallow right field for a 3-0 Yankees lead in the seventh.

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266 Responses to “Spring training Game 8: Yankees vs. Braves”

  1. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    So who watches Spartacus?

    Best show on TV (until game of thrones comes back). The ability of the show runners to make a completely gratuitous TV show in terms of violence, nudity, and swearing while maintaining an incredibly dynamic plot structure & intriguing characters is incredibly impressive. It took awhile for McIntyre to grow into the role but the last few episodes have been hitting on all cylinders. It was always going to be tough to replace Andy (RIP), and its clear he doesn’t have the fight training Andy did, but they’ve managed to make it work. It helps that Spartacus now is a much different Spartacus from season 1 just in terms of his goals & attitude.

    The real loss was Batiatus, as he was the standout from Season 1 and the prequel, but Glaber moving from distant oppressor to hands on villain this season has been great, while Illythia remains a very credible villain & Ashur is great. If you look at Batiatus’ rise to power through season 1, the echelons that Glaber & Company are working in now are much higher a station than even Batiatus dreamed of reaching, and they are 100 times more ruthless & crazy. Really shows the depravity of the roman elite and the futility of Batiatus’ striving in season 1. Cossutius was a man who would stop by Batiatus’ ludus to treat it as a private pleasure house, but he is a good friend and maniac to the current villain group. It will be even more nuts when Crassus gets involved.

  2. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    havent watched spartacus yet, but i gotta, im BIG into ancient rome and ancient greece

    Rome on HBO was great

  3. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Go Steady, Go DJ and ManBan, Go Yanks! (stay healthy!)

  4. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Stoneburner-not just you. My vote goes to “Stand By Me” as well. :)

  5. Cashmoney March 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    JF, i sincerely hope Martin wont take as long to pub the next book in the fire and ice series. I don’t want him to get to a Robert Jordan situation. but out of my hands, as usual.

  6. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Word, Cashmoney. Apparently he resolved whatever it was that was giving him 5 years of writer’s block, so I too am hoping for a swifter release of the next couple of books.

  7. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Teheran was rocked his last spring start.

  8. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Especially with the popularity of the TV show, he should have more motivation to complete the series.

  9. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Ah, he was piggybacking Delgado and had to come in earlier than expected. Also heard the wind was blowing out. I’d like to see a bounce-back game by Teheran.

  10. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Way to hustle, Derek. Although looked out (?)

  11. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    I like that Cone & Singy are very respectful and knowledgable of other teams prospects. Far cry from the phillies announcers bumbling over our prospects. They chose to highlight Teheran’s successes instead of focusing on the 6 HRs.

  12. BD (Boston Dave) March 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Let’s go Freddy. Time to stake your claim…

  13. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    JF, I haven’t gotten to the last two episodes yet (guess I’ll be 3 behind this weekend) but the one thing I became a little concerned about the last 2 episodes I saw was the “narrative” becoming fixated on EVERYONE plotting against EVERYONE else, even Spartacus’ own rebels got into the act.

    You need to map to keep track of whose plotting against who.

    In season one at least Batiatus and Lucretia had a pure, if not utterly honest relationship.

    Now EVERYONE but Spartacus is driven by their own self-interest in one way or another. But now that Naevia is back I’ll have to see what this does to Crixis.

  14. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    So can someone get me gun readings on Freddy asap? I won’t be able to concentrate until I know his velocity is normal.

  15. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    So can someone get me gun readings on Freddy asap? I won’t be able to concentrate until I know his velocity is normal.

    85!! oh wait

  16. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Nicky goes opposite, although still don’t like that swing…

  17. Shame Spencer March 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    So who watches Spartacus?
    ————

    I definitely caught a few episodes and it took me a little while to realize I wasn’t watching softcore porn. Once that was established I could actually pay attention to the plot..

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    If only Nick could find a way to carry that over to the season. However, you know what they say about a contract year suddenly turning into a career year…

  19. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    YF-

    The game that Teheran pitched he gave up 6 homers in a 18-3 loss to the Tigers. The wind was blowing out, but only for the Tigers. :)

  20. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    You wonder if Pineda gets rocked in his Stadium debut if the fans would start chanting “We want Montero” .Wouldn’t shock me

  21. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    “If only Nick could find a way to carry that over to the season. However, you know what they say about a contract year suddenly turning into a career year…”

    He’s been fine in the regular season. Its the post season when he disappears

  22. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    YT, Just what I read; didn’t see the game, so can’t say, but I just don’t get overly excited about ST game results, especially when a young pitcher is pitching. Anyway, he looked pretty good in the first inning.

  23. BD (Boston Dave) March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Tackelberry,

    Not all the fans are as cynical and unrelenting as the LoHud crew.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    I would say that the only way fans start that chant is if Pineda is getting rocked first. I expect him to get an initial hero’s welcome.

  25. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “You wonder if Pineda gets rocked in his Stadium debut if the fans would start chanting “We want Montero” .Wouldn’t shock me.”

    And today’s Best non-sequitur award goes to…

  26. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    You need to map to keep track of whose plotting against who.

    In season one at least Batiatus and Lucretia had a pure, if not utterly honest relationship.

    With the way things are shaping up I think the field is going to start getting culled sometime soon. I think what you describe can be a problem with organic/gardening style plotting, as the writers of Spartacus make the characters work for the resolution that the audience expects (crixus+spartacus teaming up for example, onamaeous not immediately joining the rebellion because it goes against his character). While it would be more convenient to have simpler opposing groups, it would not make sense from a character stand point.

    The good news is that Spartacus’ writers are not beholden to keeping characters alive, so resolution/problem solving can often be swift and final.

  27. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Tackel, at the new Stadium, don’t even think many of those fans would know who Montero is. ;)

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “He’s been fine in the regular season”

    I guess it all depends on how one define’s a 260 AVG.

  29. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    In Nicky’s case it isn’t the sss in the playoffs, but the kind of AB’s he has, swinging from his heels.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Really like Freddy. Was juiced when we got him last year. Really nice Yankee acquisition.

    Maybe he earns the 5 spot and Hughes is the spot starter? Lots of time left to determine that.

  31. yankzfan1 March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Should be interesting with Vazquez. He hit a bomb off of Teheran last year in Scranton out of the stadium!!! Go Chato!!

  32. ac1 March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    If Garcia and Hughes pitch well, do we see Nova starting the season in AAA if he struggles in ST?

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    And another nonsequitur – give me a catcher who knows how to call a game, and you’ve given me gold – especially in the case of a pitcher who doesn’t care to call his own games. That said, I’m very happy with Martin.

  34. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Why should Nova struggle in ST?

  35. Johannes March 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    I like Garcia’s style, he’s got controll and a plan. I don’t mind going with him over Nova. Nova seems a bit lost to me so far this spring.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    If Nova struggles, it means his arm isn’t healed. Nobody will ever convince me that Nova’s struggles would be anything else.

  37. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    “I guess it all depends on how one define’s a 260 AVG.”

    Or if you ignore the 23 hrs and 85 RBIs

  38. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    If Garcia and Hughes pitch well, do we see Nova starting the season in AAA if he struggles in ST?
    ——————————————————–

    It’s still early. I’m more concerned if Robertson can’t come north with the team and his spot in the bullpen needs to be filled while he’s re-habbing in Tampa.

  39. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    “With the way things are shaping up I think the field is going to start getting culled sometime soon.”

    Maybe, as I say, you’re 2 episodes in front of me, but yeah, it almost seems like a tale of 2 shows, with the Glaber always being hot on the heels of Spartacus almost a perfunctory way of joining them together.

    But I suppose that’s the limitation of having Spartacus escape. There really is no way to have this be a serial story without there being two separate spheres.

  40. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I miss Entourage and The Sopranos.

  41. Cashmoney March 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    If Garcia and Hughes pitch well, do we see Nova starting the season in AAA if he struggles in ST?
    —-
    my take is no… Nova in rotation with either Hughes or Garcia. I think Nova has a lot of wiggle room base on last year’s performance. also I think Hughes will be yanks 5th starter.

  42. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    I like Swish, just wish he had a better left-handed approach especially in the playoffs when he really overswings because he wants to so badly make something happen.

    Atta boy.

  43. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    I miss the Sopranos and Six Feet Under.

  44. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    But I suppose that’s the limitation of having Spartacus escape. There really is no way to have this be a serial story without there being two separate spheres.

    Its just a bit more extreme disassociation of the 2 spheres present in season 1. There was always 2 things running side by side, Batiatus’ rise to power & the gladiators themselves. The roman elite were always menacing the gladiators with the power they had, with the gladiators trying to figure out their own stuff. They aren’t in the same building/city now, but the general theme remains there.

  45. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    *to make something

  46. Against All Odds March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    You wonder if Pineda gets rocked in his Stadium debut if the fans would start chanting “We want Montero” .Wouldn’t shock me

    ——————————-

    Not in his stadium debut no way that happens.

  47. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    ANyone watch Luck? The guy in the wheelchair cracks me up

  48. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Teheran’s pitches are up.

  49. blake March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    I can’t get MLB.TV to work and it’s bumming me out

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    I’m more than ready to part ways with Swisher, though I think he’s a fine person. Too inconsistent for me.

  51. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Teheran gives up some moonshot flyballs.

  52. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Historically the gladiator armies split up, so if they are already stretching it in season 2 I wonder how they will handle that going forward.

  53. Spudz March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    I miss Arli$$,
    just imagine the plots if they renewed the series and the writers read LOHUD. :)

  54. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    I’m more than ready to part ways with Swisher, though I think he’s a fine person. Too inconsistent for me.

    I would agree trisha. Just wonder who they could get that is better and wouldn’t cost them an arm and a leg. If Almonte somehow steps forward this year, that would make it a little easier to let Swish go.

  55. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    I miss Entourage, The Sopranos, Big Love and Six Feet Under.

    Can’t wait for the return of Game of Thrones this weekend and Boardwalk Empire.

  56. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Andruw Jones is going to have a very big year for The Yanks in 2012……He looks so much like vintage Jones

  57. Yank 97 March 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    “You wonder if Pineda gets rocked in his Stadium debut if the fans would start chanting “We want Montero” .Wouldn’t shock me.”

    If he doesn’t pitch well in a few starts, then yes. Not in his debut though. Fans loved Montero and will let Pineda know that he has to prove he was worth giving up Montero

  58. kd March 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    question for the board:

    so it seems that manban needs to work on control. is that a function of in-game repetition, maturity, mechanics, or something else? or does he just need to get a little stronger?

    everything i’ve read states he has smooth, easy mechanics.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Good thing about DVR – you can tape what you want, watch it what you want, and fly through commercials

    Bad thing about DVR – the temptation to tape everything I come across and then end up tethered to the television!

    :)

  60. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    blake, mine’s working.

  61. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    kd

    Just needs seasoning inthe minors. They can’t rush him. A full year in AAA for both he and Betances would be ideal.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Tackle – what I would love to see in right is a player with a cannon for an arm and consistent offense.

    No idea who it would be, though…

  63. BD (Boston Dave) March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Pat M,

    Sure hope so. He’ll likely get plenty of opportunity to contribute. I hope the Yanks are healthy but you know how it goes…

  64. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    blake March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    I can’t get MLB.TV to work and it’s bumming me out

    Tried turning on NexDef?

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    love Martin!

  66. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Sick play by Martin.

  67. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Tried turning on NexDef?

    Turn off NexDef!

  68. pat March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Martin gets degree of difficulty points for that play.

  69. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    JF, yeah, but the Spartacus-Batiatus relationship and Batiatus duality (he genuinely was impressed by and desperately wanted to be respected by his slave) was one of my favorite parts of S1, but I’m probably just over-remembering what was limited interaction over the course of that season.

  70. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Good play by Martin.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    What is NexDef?

  72. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    Tried turning on NexDef?

    Turn off NexDef!

    NexDef is the only way it works for me lately.

  73. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Blake- I just checked out my MLB.TV and mine is OK. It’s about 20 seconds ahead of the game I have on TV. Any luck yet?

  74. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    “everything i’ve read states he has smooth, easy mechanics.”

    Wouldn’t mind seeing him “quiet” his plant foot on the pivot, but I have NO idea if that’s a factor in his command issues.

  75. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    What is NexDef?

    Its their steaming/caching system that allows them to have features like slow-mo, rewind, pause, etc of what is normally a live stream. I always turn it off because it delays the game by about 30 seconds.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Martin might have been one of the Yanks most valuable acquisitions. Yanks were playing the odds that Russell’s offense would come back and that injuries hadn’t damaged him for good.

  77. kd March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    so it seems like it’s in game competition, not a needed alteration to become an effective big leaguer? thanks

  78. Tackelberry March 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Gonna be tough to keep Martin too in light of what Yadier Molina just got.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “Its their steaming/caching system that allows them to have features like slow-mo, rewind, pause, etc of what is normally a live stream. I always turn it off because it delays the game by about 30 seconds.”

    Wow, pretty cool, though I agree that a 30-second delay of game makes in not worth it – at least it wouldn’t be for me.

  80. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Stuckey,

    I definitely agree. The ludus & Batiatus were 2 of the more powerful aspects of season1 and 1.5. I think season 1 of spartacus is one of the most satisfying seasons of any TV in history, with a finale that manages to work as a ‘finale’ while also setting up for the future.

  81. blake March 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    “so it seems that manban needs to work on control. is that a function of in-game repetition, maturity, mechanics, or something else? or does he just need to get a little stronger?”

    I think a lot of it is appropach and him trying to be too perfect with pitches….some of it is inexperience but his delivery is too good and repeatable for the command stuff to continue IMO. I expect/hope a big jump for him in that regard this year.

    MLB.tv is working now finally.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Is 2012 the end of Martin’s contract?

  83. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    As per question above, Curry’s saying that Yanks had Manny move his hands up which has hurt his fastball command.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “As per question above, Curry’s saying that Yanks had Manny move his hands up which has hurt his fastball command.”

    Grrr! Is this the same Nardi Contreras influence we talked about the other day???

  85. BX33 March 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Martin is great – just wish he fit our budget.

    man, it sucks that we now need to talk like other fans do about keeping players, we should keep every player we want

  86. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    I wonder why they had him move his hands when his command was very good. Now he’s having trouble. I’m kind of a believer in if it’s working don’t fix it.

  87. UnKnown March 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    Teheran was rocked his last spring start.

    ——

    Yeah to the tune of giving up 6 HR’s to the Tigers.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    BX33 – well one thing you’re doing is really going further toward evening the playing field.

    But I still ABHOR that stupid ass unbalanced schedule. That’s tied for first with MLB umpires in terms of things ruining the equity of the game.

  89. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Nolan Reimold another in a long line of the ‘cursed orioles’, proving why they will never be relevant until their owner is exorcised.

    Reimold hit in the face

    Orioles left fielder Nolan Reimold was hit in the side of his left face by Rays starter Alex Cobb’s 2-1 offering in the first inning of Friday’s game. Reimold immediately dropped down to the ground and remained face down for several minutes while being examined by the team’s athletic trainers.

    Reimold did roll over –to relieved cheers from the crowd at Charlotte Sports Park—and remained consciousness the entire time, clutching the left side of his face with his batting glove. He was helped up and carted off the field with two outs in the first inning.

  90. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Missed the Martin play, was out of the room. Describe, please.

  91. pat March 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    PeteAbe
    Felix Doubront scheduled to start against the #Yankees for the #RedSox on Tuesday in Tampa.

  92. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Missed the Martin play, was out of the room. Describe, please.

    Bourne bunted up the third base line, martin leapt out, slid barehanded the ball, got to his feet and fired to first to get him. Ball went pretty far up the line, so it was a tough play.

  93. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Unknown-

    We decided that those homers were wind aided. The wind only blew out when the Tigers were up to bat in the 18-3 loss. :)

  94. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    I wonder why they had him move his hands when his command was very good. Now he’s having trouble. I’m kind of a believer in if it’s working don’t fix it.
    ____
    +1

  95. UnKnown March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Cano’s stance looks a little different to me than last year. A little more Rickey Henderson like from the left side.

    I thought he was more straight up last year.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    “I’m kind of a believer in if it’s working don’t fix it.”

    Yeah I get kind of a queasy feeling when I think of the way the Yanks “fixed” quite a few of their pitchers. Between Torre wearing relievers out and Eiland et al changing the mechanics of the starters, it’s little wonder that the Yanks didn’t pick up another WS trophy until 2009.

  97. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Thanks, JF.

  98. UnKnown March 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    I am sure everyone has seen this but it is awesome and caused quite the uproar over on Pete Abe’s blog when he posted it.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/.....d-sox-fans

    Consensus is that most all of Sux fans don’t want to see Paps doing the Irish Jig anymore anytime soon. Oh how things can change quickly.

  99. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    YT, did we say it or the managers of both teams?

    “With a strong wind blowing out to right field, the Tigers teed off against Teheran and the Braves. Prince Fielder homered and Ryan Raburn hit two shots, including a grand slam.
    “It was a tough day for anyone to pitch,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “With the conditions we had today, I am not about to count anyone out. When the wind is blowing the way it was today, all you are asking for is trouble.”
    Tigers manager Jim Leyland said he could understand what Teheran was going through, too.
    “This was just one of those silly games,” he said. “Everything hit into the wind toward right field helped. It was just a freak thing. We just kept hitting everything to right field so that doesn’t say anything about (Teheran). I don’t like winning games like that.”

    http://www.google.com/hostedne.....6d5d61ab27

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    LOVE Soriano.

    Doesn’t bother me if I’m alone in my love for him.

    ;)

  101. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Even for those you don’t value defense will appreciate Martin’s outstanding play……Even The Face-Man has given props for the play and that says alot……

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    “Felix Doubront scheduled to start against the #Yankees for the #RedSox on Tuesday in Tampa.”

    Saw him pitch at McCoy and he was unbelievable. Sux brought him up as a reliever I believe. Duh.

  103. Against All Odds March 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Andruw Jones is going to have a very big year for The Yanks in 2012……He looks so much like vintage Jones

    ———————–

    That would be great for the Yankees especially with him being right handed.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Thank you Yanks for bringing back Eric!

  105. LockDown March 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Looking forward to the return of Games of Throne… And I enjoy Spartacus. This season definitely has a different feel due to the separation. Though I think it’s just starting to heat up with Glaber stepping up in the bad guy role, in place of Batiatus (though Batiatus is irreplaceable)

  106. GoldGlove9486 March 9th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Darn, Gameday first said Chavez hit a homer. Now I see he doesn’t know how to run the bases.

  107. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Chavez, you’re not fast enough to pull that off…Maybe 10 years ago you can outrun that play but not anymore

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    I can deal with lack of speed in a player who can both hit and field…

    ;)

  109. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    YF-
    Thanks for the article on the loss and 6 homers that Teheran gave up. The Yankees today were swinging at the 1st pitch offering, guessing right that it’d be a fastball.

    Looking for a good outing by Banuelos.

  110. UnKnown March 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    ManBan time.

    On a side note I made the mistake of checking out some coverage of the Yanks on ESPN and Matthews has not changed one bit. Man is that guy a complete Hack. Everything Yankee related is terrible. You would think the guy is writing for the Astros.

  111. jpmatrixfan88 March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Wow look at Banuelos. 94-95 with his fastball. Just gave up a ground rule double, but it was 96. Good velocity today.

  112. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Nice easy motion a hits 93, now 95 :)

  113. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Nice to see banuelos reaching 95 on the fastball and a 79 MPH offspeed. Got shafted on the 2 strike pitch.

  114. Against All Odds March 9th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Manny with the heat :)

  115. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    That’s the reason for moving Banuelos’ hands up. Remove some of the wasted motion.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “Got shafted on the 2 strike pitch.”

    G-freakin-rrrr!!!!

    :evil:

  117. BX33 March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Manny is too much like Hughes for my liking – everything is 0-2 to 3-2, lots of fouls, and too much bat on the ball in 2 strike counts

  118. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Just missed most of ManBan, have to watch replay/archive. How’s he look? Thrown a changeup yet?

    K – Atta boy, Manny.

  119. UnKnown March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Manny looked great today.

  120. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Totally impressed-Mechanics, delivery, velocity, off speed stuff.

  121. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Manny B. had some serious pop today on # 1……

  122. Against All Odds March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    BX33 March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Manny is too much like Hughes for my liking –

    —————————

    Manny still has time to grow he’s only 20-21.

  123. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Okay, enough with this Banuelos punk.

    We want GARNER!!!!!!

  124. kd March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    manban is going to be a great pitcher for the yanks. 95 with control is awesome

    and he needed that strikeout

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    I have been 100% Hughes from day one. I said I saw him as the eventual face of the franchise. Through all of his struggles I have still seen him as getting back to prime form.

    I have to admit that I’ve moved to the 97% range.

  126. LockDown March 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    I’m weening my love for ManBan. I don’t want to get too attached & have him traded away. So “if” he becomes a yankee starter, I’ll watch him then.

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Lock – never a bad idea.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Anyone interested -

    2012 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    2012 SUXIAN FUTILITY CHART

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Robby!

  131. LockDown March 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    trisha – yeah, even with the knicks. I got hooked on a couple of guys last year pre-Melo. I felt like I was in mourning. :( So it makes no sense to get emotionally involved in prospects.

  132. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Yes, time is running out on Banuelos and Hughes. One is already 20 years old and the other is 25. Greybeards.

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Lock, don’t know if you saw this article, but boy we’ve all been right on point!

    :(

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....mbCCBWpO9I

  134. blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Manny is gonna be a stud.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    GB – I’m thinking you know me well enough to know that I don’t give up on Yankee players. I am just starting to wonder if Hughes is going to be what he was before the wheels came off. That’s all.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Bourn is fast as the wind!

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Tried to get him on my fantasy teams just for the steals.

  138. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    Robby!

    ****************

    What did I miss?? :)

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Nice sac fly to get a run in. Easy peasy, smooth as silk.

    :)

  140. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    JackCurryYES I will interview @DRob30 about his sprained foot in the bottom of the 5th. Interview will be shot by @therobbriley.

  141. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    GB, 21 y.o in 4 days; the clock is ticking.

    Niice CB!

  142. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Manny with a K

  143. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    K Beautiful!

  144. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Trisha, it has little to do with that post, but, there’s too many that are too anxious to run plyers off because they weren’t instant stars at the age of 19. Zero patience from the so-called most knowledgable baseball fans in the world. Baseball is filled with players that showed very little until that reached the age of 25 or later.

  145. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Nice curve from Banuelos today. Fastball nice too. Very impressive.

  146. blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Thats the Manny B that I’m talkin about ….nasty hook then the heat. 15 pitches….14 strikes today for the lefty.

  147. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    No one wants to run Hughes off they just him to show and prove.

  148. LockDown March 9th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    trisha – thanks for the link. I don’t know how this will play out, but my guess is that D’Antoni will be the guy to go first.

  149. blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Banuelos curveball is big league legit now….it’s very good. If he throws strikes like that and makes the other team beat him then he’s going to be tough….because the stuff is so good that teams aren’t going to beat him too often.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    “Trisha, it has little to do with that post, but, there’s too many that are too anxious to run plyers off because they weren’t instant stars at the age of 19. Zero patience from the so-called most knowledgable baseball fans in the world. Baseball is filled with players that showed very little until that reached the age of 25 or later.”

    Ah, I’m totally with you there.

    :)

  151. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Hughes is 2 years away from free agency, and has yet to guarantee himself a roster spot. Time is indeed running out for him to stay a Yankee. I think the Yankees will give him even more chances to prove it this year, by giving him the 5th spot.

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    GB, 21 y.o in 4 days; the clock is ticking.

    Niice CB!
    ///

    That curve was really on in his second inning. He looked great today – working fast and the fastball had more rise on it than usual. Great curve/fb mix today and better attack than first outing. I tuned in just in time to catch him. Hope we see DJ next.

  153. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    JackCurryYES What is Baneulos goal this season? “Get to the big leagues as soon as possible,” he said. Banuelos tossed 2 scoreless today.

  154. Eroc March 9th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    95 cheese with a sick curve from the left side and hitting 95 consistently so early in ST. – that’s where the Hughes comparisons become invalid.

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    GB – this forum was ready to run off Curtis Granderson!!!!*

    Can you imagine?

    Patience is NOT a hallmark of the lohud forum, that’s for sure.

    * – with some exceptions

  156. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    The thing that makes Banuelos exciting, besides being a lefty with gas which is rare in itself, is that he already possesses 2 very good secondary pitches to go with an already very good 1st pitch.

    Most kids his age don’t have 3 really good pitches. Those that do are studs.

    Hope he builds up to 150 innings this year as a starter 100%.

  157. Eroc March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Can they even afford to sign Hughes if he pitches well?

    If he pitches like he did in 2010 for the next 2 years and stays healthy, he’ll get at least Burnett/Lackey money.

  158. DONNYBROOK March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Somebody oughtta show Gardner a video of Constanza batting. That slashing style is EXACTLY how Gardner should be attacking the ball.

  159. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    “Great curve/fb mix today and better attack than first outing. I tuned in just in time to catch him. Hope we see DJ next.”

    When he is commanding the CB it makes all the difference. Just nasty.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    Banuelos curveball is big league legit now….it’s very good.
    ///

    When it’s on, it is a plus weapon. What happens is sometimes he gets under it a little. BUt he looked great, there. I’ve seen him dominate with that pitch some nights, and he had it going on today. But even more, I like that he was attacking today.
    //

  161. tomingeorgia March 9th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Redmond looked terrific last inning for the Bravos.

  162. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    i wasnt on this forum when they traded jackson for granderson, but i imagine the backlash was almost as high as montero for pineda

  163. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Go DJ!

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    “Great curve/fb mix today and better attack than first outing. I tuned in just in time to catch him. Hope we see DJ next.”

    When he is commanding the CB it makes all the difference. Just nasty.
    ///

    MITCHELL!!! I wish having the SWB guys in Trenton was still on the table :(. I’m almost more interested in watching them pitch then the big club.

  165. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Banuelos looked major league ready today. If he can maintain that command he’s going to be very hard to keep down.

  166. blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    JAP,

    I think thats the thing….he threw 1 ball today so far (I hope he goes another inning)….he needs to be in attack mode all the time with the stuff he has…..no reason at all to nibble. Come right at guys….

  167. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “he Left Arm Of God” (Sandy Koufax) would have been put on the first plane smokin’ if this fan base had any say after his first 6 years, as would Ron Guidry who was 26 or warren Spahn at age 26.

  168. Benny Blanco March 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Yankees WILL NOT trade banuelos!!!

  169. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    i wasnt on this forum when they traded jackson for granderson, but i imagine the backlash was almost as high as montero for pineda

    Actually, it was a pretty popular trade.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    i wasnt on this forum when they traded jackson for granderson, but i imagine the backlash was almost as high as montero for pineda
    ///

    That…..does not compute on any level. CF for CF, for a guy with triples and HR slugging and a left-handed hitter for the Stadium.

    No one ever considered Austin Jackson a generational talent, either. Bad comp.

  171. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Austin Jackon’s ceiling was Curtis Granderson, so it was a trade that made some kind of sense.

  172. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    blake, would have loved to see him go one more inning, but knew they would never let him pitch 3.

    Thatta boy, DJ. Heckuva pitch. Love that sinker.

  173. Yank 97 March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I really hope Dellin puts it together too and stops walking guys – want to see both of them up with the big club.

  174. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Mitchell, if he isn’t moved in a deal will be in the Yankee bullpen soon.

  175. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    JF, yep.

  176. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    The Granderson deal was highly lauded on the LOHUD.

  177. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Mitchell, if he isn’t moved in a deal will be in the Yankee bullpen soon.

    What I found interesting is that Kevin Goldstein ranked DJ Mitchell in the top 20 for the Yankees but left off David Phelps. Was high on his sinker. I tried to get some info about why in particular he disliked Phelps or liked Mitchell more than Phelps, but didn’t get any answer.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    JAP,

    I think thats the thing….he threw 1 ball today so far (I hope he goes another inning)….he needs to be in attack mode all the time with the stuff he has…..no reason at all to nibble. Come right at guys….
    ///

    yeah I don’t know what’s happening inside him when he starts getting cute, but he’s gonna outgrow that. Also today – commanding the 95 is going to keep getting better. He’s real good. Wish he was ready in terms of innings. Let him get them in, though. Give him every opportunity to hit the ground running next year.

  179. tomingeorgia March 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Let’s see Montero turn in a season or two like Granderson’s last year, then we canonize him.

  180. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    fair enough

  181. Yank 97 March 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    The Granderson/Kennedy trade was EXACTLY the kind of trade that Yankees fans (ans fans in general) want to see – turn a good, not great prospect (Jackson) for a guy who could be his ceiling, and give up an excess piece who isn’t a part of your long term plans (Kennedy) and sell high on a reliever like Coke.

    I’d argue it was harder to give up Noesi this year than it was Kennedy in 08 as well.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    NICe. DJ’s got that change.

  183. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    K – beauty.

  184. DONNYBROOK March 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Billy Beane just called Cashman and wanted to know if he would deal Banny for Cespedes straight up. Cashman informed Beane that he would have to run it by JAP.

  185. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    FrankiePiliere Frankie Piliere
    Just tuned in for Banuelos’ 2nd inn. Now, that’s the pitcher I remember. Able to pitch backwards w/ 2 off-speed pitches and miss bats at 94

  186. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    DJ doesn’t seem to get much out of his bottom half.

  187. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    IPK was traded pretty much because he missed a window of opportunity in 09 due to injury. He was probably the most disagreeable portion of that trade, but simply did not have the cachet that Joba or Hughes had. He simply had the misfortune of going out for the season at a time when he was almost assuredly going to be called up. With the 2010 Yankees going to such a full rotation that even Joba was knocked out of it, IPK had no spot.

    Its the right kind of trade a team should make.

  188. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Doc, what was worse was when Granderson hit a cold spot with his bat. Some of the most respected (or considered the most knowledgable anyway) posters here were beside themselves and were ready to DFA him or trade him away at the end of the season.

    I am an infinitely patient poster but I also recognize what he brings as a fielder, and his fielding was not at all compromised when he wasn’t hitting. Thankfully, his offense came back and all was well.

    You know I read an interesting article yesterday and I wanted to remember the name of it and try to find a link to it because it dealt with optimism and patience. It made me think of this forum. (It also said that optimism is something that can be learned, something that kind of surprised me.) But part of the premise was that optimistic people have a much easier time looking at the big picture – something that I think is both invaluable and necessary in a game such as baseball!

    If I can find the article, I will link to it.

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    tomingeorgia March 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Let’s see Montero turn in a season or two like Granderson’s last year, then we canonize him.
    ///

    Are you referring to this, because if so, I don’t see Granderson’s name mentioned here:

    “No one ever considered Austin Jackson a generational talent, either. Bad comp.”
    ///

    Here’s my Melkman comparison at the plate. Although he’ll have to get friendlier with offspeed pitches to be as good a hitter as Melky.

  190. 4time March 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Jackson’s likely projection was a solid, average starting outfielder and he looks to be just that.

    Kennedy’s projection was a solid, middle-rotation guy… now, he has outperformed that, but it’s not like we would have given him a chance here anyway for a prolonged audition.

    Coke was a dime a dozen reliever who was a bad fit in NYS anyway.

    Montero is a once in a generation bat.

    The Vazquez trade was a disaster from all angles though

  191. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Zoilo’s lefthanded stance reminds me of Cano.

  192. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Gil’s got a lot more power than people think. There’s just always at least two catchers ahead of him.

  193. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Warren Spahn age 26:-21 wins, ERA 2.33, 2nd best of his career. Now GB he did serve ages 22 thru 24 in the military.

    Guidry 16 wins age 26, 2.82 ERA before he was CY-age 27!

  194. blake March 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    why do they even have Manny in big league camp if they aren’t going to build his innings and get him ready for the season….he threw 15 pitches today….now I know he’ll probably go and throw more in the bullpen…but this is his prep time too….if you’re going to throw him 2 innings every time then just send him to minor league camp.

  195. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “he Left Arm Of God” (Sandy Koufax) would have been put on the first plane smokin’ if this fan base had any say after his first 6 years, as would Ron Guidry who was 26 or warren Spahn at age 26.

    ———————

    What about all the pitchers that were given chance after chance and still flamed out?

  196. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    The Vazquez trade was a disaster from all angles though

    —-

    i dont think anyone would argue that

  197. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    JF, probably likes Warren’s FB better, and he has made good progress w/his secondary pitches, whereas before they were kind of fringy. He is high on DJ’s sinker b/c it is a legit plus pitch, and DJ also has plus change/CB. So, he has overall better stuff than Phelps. Phelp’s outcommands both of them though, interesting to see how that plays and what kind of adjustments Phelps makes in the big leagues.

  198. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Warren Spahn age 26:-21 wins, ERA 2.33, 2nd best of his career. Now GB he did serve ages 22 thru 24 in the military.

    Guidry 16 wins age 26, 2.82 ERA before he was CY-age 27!

    GB7 isn’t good at applying like-cases.

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Jackson, though, is a true plus defender.

    And just to be clear, Montero’s a better hitter than Curtis Granderson right now. They weren’t traded for eachother, that was a (deliberate?) misunderstanding of what I said. But I thought I’d just give my take on that, since it was raised.

  200. DONNYBROOK March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Games participants Now make this game a Busher. A players achievements have to bear this in mind.

  201. randy l. March 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    who cared about austin jackson?

    though if offense doesn’t matter and it’s just pitching that rules, you have to ask why it was necessary to get rid of ian kennedy for granderson.

    isn’t austin jackson a really really good defender?

    if pitching is the keys to the kingdom, then the yankees could have had a young cheap center fielder and a really good starter.

  202. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    Zoilo’s lefthanded stance reminds me of Cano
    ///

    Interesting, I can see sort of an older version of Cano.

  203. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    70% of the people here were pissing and moaning about the Granderson trade…….Just as the label ” Superstar ” is loosely thrown about, so has the term ” once in a generation bat ” is running a close second around here……

  204. Jason22 March 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Blake I assume you’re not watching the game, but instead looking at gameday, Manny threw around 30 pitches I would guess.

    The gameday thing is never correct in spring.

  205. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    isn’t austin jackson a really really good defender?
    ////

    I think so, who’s better CF in the AL? Maybe Gutierrez was at one time, but he’s been hurt a lot. Granderson’s very good, but AJax is better.

  206. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    70% of the people here were pissing and moaning about the Granderson trade

    False. Maybe kvetching when Granderson was looking overmatched to the point that he himself went to K. Long to have his swing rebuilt? But at the time of the trade it was pretty highly regarded.

  207. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    FrankiePiliere Frankie Piliere
    Just tuned in for Banuelos’ 2nd inn. Now, that’s the pitcher I remember. Able to pitch backwards w/ 2 off-speed pitches and miss bats at 94.
    _______
    Exactly. Pitching backwards is Manny at his best and most fearless.

  208. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Montero is a better hitter than multi All Star Curtis Granderson right now ???? Wow

  209. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    montero is a better hitter than granderson? i hope u mean projected better hitter or else i cant take anything u say seriously

  210. Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    JF-

    GB is right. I remember a few years ago, quite a few people were ready to trade Robinson Cano, for some undistinguished, lazy OF’er on the Dodgers, whose name escapes me……………..Oh wait it’s coming back…………yes Matt Kemp! :)

  211. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Yankee Trader March 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Warren Spahn age 26:-21 wins, ERA 2.33, 2nd best of his career. Now GB he did serve ages 22 thru 24 in the military.

    Guidry 16 wins age 26, 2.82 ERA before he was CY-age 27!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Spahn did say that he’s not sure if the war break helped or hurt him. Says that the war matured him considerably…2 Purple hearts, Bronze Star and a battle field commission at age 24 at Battle Of The Bulge. He did say that he probably couldn’t have pitched to age 45, though.

    Martin did his damnedest to torpedo Guidry’s career. The only reason he got a start in 1977 was because Hunter got hurt. Even then, it was another 2 weeks between his 1st and 2nd starts. Martin called him gutless.

  212. blake March 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “Blake I assume you’re not watching the game, but instead looking at gameday, Manny threw around 30 pitches I would guess.”

    lol…ok sorry. I saw him strike Freeman out but that’s about it… MLB.TV is acting up on me. Anyway though….I wish they’d actually treat him like a normal starter in big league camp or just send him to minor league camp so he can get ready for the season…..I think it’s possible that him staying with the club so long last spring kinda messed him up a little going in to the sesason.

  213. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    I remember a few years ago, quite a few people were ready to trade Robinson Cano,

    ***********************

    Bad times. :x

  214. 4time March 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    “70% of the people here were pissing and moaning about the Granderson trade…….Just as the label ” Superstar ” is loosely thrown about, so has the term ” once in a generation bat ” is running a close second around here……”

    Until August of his 1st year – the ‘critiques’ for Granderson was warranted. Though no one was lamenting losing Austin Jackson, just that Granderson might not bounce back the way we thought he would.

    He reinvented himself – give him credit, but it’s not like it was reasonable to project him to hit 40 bombs and go from terrible to great vs. LHP since his career never suggested it was capable of it.

  215. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I asked a question yesterday and didn’t get an answer. I asked it for a reason and lo and behold, it plays into a solid argument against doing away with the unbalance schedule.

    The unbalanced schedule was introduced in 2001, the year the Yanks lost the WS. And they didn’t win again for 8 years.

    In any event, there are certainly other circumstances that will always play into a team’s season (such as the Sux being the only team in 2004 whose rotation did not go down once, ahem) but as long as there are cakewalk divisions whose teams will be less blown out when compared to, say, the teams in the AL East, postseason team representation will always be suspect. At least IMO.

    :mad:

  216. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    That’s the DJ we all know and love.

    blake, SWB ST games start on March 17th; you’d expect them to want to stretch the kids out, but guess not in live games. Maybe the AAA boys go 3 next time, and then hit SWB camp unless they let Manny stick around a little longer.

  217. BX33 March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    As a pure hitter, I’d take Montero over Grandy.

    Remember, he still has to prove that ’11 was sustainable and not just a 1 year anomaly like many good players have.

  218. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    montero is a better hitter than granderson? i hope u mean projected better hitter or else i cant take anything u say seriously
    ///

    Well, I guess i’m going to have to just live with that, then. You can’t even fool Montero. Or even you do, he can get to the pitch and do damage with it.

    ///
    See? It’s a blog-wide epidemic. I didn’t bring up The Kid, it’s the car wreck everybody can’t help going back to look at…..

  219. DONNYBROOK March 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I don’t know exactly what JAP means by “better hitter”, but a Man is entitiled to his opinion on anything he has actually seen, and I respect that.

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “Until August of his 1st year – the ‘critiques’ for Granderson was warranted. Though no one was lamenting losing Austin Jackson, just that Granderson might not bounce back the way we thought he would.”

    Where you here then? You people were ready to ride him out of town on a rail. It was disgusting. There was no “lamenting” going on. It was outright stupidity and hostility.

    And his fielding was stellar.

    The guy came back from an injury! He got ZERO understanding.

  221. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    BX33 March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    As a pure hitter, I’d take Montero over Grandy.

    Remember, he still has to prove that ’11 was sustainable and not just a 1 year anomaly like many good players have.
    ///
    Sure. It’s the high probability qualifier. If he comes down with a wrist injury or something that ruins his ability to use his wrists or something, all bets are off…

  222. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    are you monteros mother?

    no one in their right mind would say hes currently a better hitter than granderson…

  223. blake March 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    YF,

    probably….I know everyone has to get their work in etc…. I just would rather them not keep Manny with the team until opening day like last year if they aren’t going to stretch him out normally. He looked really good today….

  224. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Doc – there definitely were people who were NOT happy with the Granderson trade, but it wasn’t a large number.

  225. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    The Vazquez trade was a disaster from all angles though

    —-

    i dont think anyone would argue that

    —————–

    You would be surprised how many fans would still do that trade.

  226. stuckey March 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Gustavo Molina batting 1.000 this spring.

    Looks like the Mariners trades for the wrong catcher.

  227. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    #betterthangranderson.

  228. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I mean when the trade happened, not the weeping and gnashing of teeth during the season.

  229. Jason22 March 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Yeah I don’t disagree with you, but lets see if they let him pitch 3 innings next time out.

    He was impressive, my only complaint was in his first inning he had that little lefty down 0-2 and then wasted 3 pitches, which was his big problem last year, way too much nibbling instead of trusting his stuff and attacking.

    I think a large part of that was him not feeling confident with his FB command, he was throwing the ball great though today.

    The fact everyone keeps over looking DJ is puzzling to say the least.

    When you look at him, he had a better year than Warren and Phelps last year, yet no one talks about him.

    I understand he does not throw as hard, but his sinker as well as his curveball are very good pitches, and his change-up is pretty impressive as well.

    His deal is his control, sometimes he loses the plate, and will walk guys, but considering he was not a full time pitcher in college, he has been nothing but a great pitcher in the minors and should have a really good chance to help the team this year in relief if they choose to give him the ball.

  230. DONNYBROOK March 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    You all saw what Vazquez did to the NL in the last half of last season. He can still do the job extremely well over in the NL. I can’t fault Cashman for making that deal.

  231. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    are you monteros mother?
    ///

    How’d you guess? Just call me Mary. In fact, think I’ll change my username.

  232. Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Doc Iac March 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    are you monteros mother?
    ///

    How’d you guess? Just call me Mary. In fact, think I’ll change my username

    —-

    haha ok then i will

  233. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Pruf, as in Mother Mary speaking words of wisdom? :)

  234. jacksquat March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Vazquez was 4th in Cy Young voting the season before the Yanks traded for him. I don’t care if it was the NL, he had an excellent year. The Yankees could not have forseen him losing 5+ mph off his fastball.

  235. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    YAHOO DROB!!!!!

  236. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    yankeefem, let it be ;).

  237. blake March 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “He was impressive, my only complaint was in his first inning he had that little lefty down 0-2 and then wasted 3 pitches, which was his big problem last year, way too much nibbling instead of trusting his stuff and attacking.”

    I agree…I probably saw him pitch 10 or 12 times last year between SWB, ST, and the fall league….and he throws strike 1 quite a bit..and he gets ahead of guys quite a bit early in counts…and then he’d just start trying to be fine and make perfect pitches. I loved how he attacked Freeman today….great way to end his outing.

  238. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    When you look at him, he had a better year than Warren and Phelps last year, yet no one talks about him.

    Well by ERA yea, but Phelps & Warren walk less guys than him & strike more out.

  239. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Montero is a better hitter than multi All Star Curtis Granderson right now ???? Wow

    ————————-

    Yea I can’t agree with that and I love Montero.

  240. Jerkface March 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    @JackCurryYES

    Robertson has bone bruise. Will stay in walking boot until Mon. Then boot will be removed and he will work his way back. Good news for Yanks

    Hooray.

  241. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    yay!!! :D

    eboland11 From @JackCurryYES : bone bruise in Robertson’s foot. Hope is he can work his way back next week

  242. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I talk about him, and ultimately I believe that DJ will be the best pitcher of the 3. ;)

  243. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Donny – I was dead set against the Vasquez deal for two reasons: one is his former experience with the Yanks, the second is that I am not high on NL pitchers coming to the AL. It’s the same reason I was not at all on board with getting Kuroda – that and his age.

    Hopefully Kuroda will prove me wrong.

  244. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    That’s the best of possible outcomes for Robertson and the yankees.

  245. yankeefeminista March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Yay re: DRob!

  246. Cashmoney March 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    good for Drob. the moral of this story is let the womenfolks (duck)… :D

  247. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I can’t fault Cashman for making that deal.

    ———————————-

    That deal cost us a young arm in Viz and ended Joba’s chance at starting. You better fault Cashman for making that trade.

  248. Pat M. March 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Robertson should be able to break camp with the club then……Gtreat news, although deep bone bruises can linger for quite some time, especially in the hands…..

  249. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    That deal cost us a young arm in Viz and ended Joba’s chance at starting. You better fault Cashman for making that trade.
    ///

    yes, yes, and yes, sadly. The silver lining, though, is Dante Bichette :D.

  250. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Nice game Yanks! Lock, let’s hope the Knicks pull it together tonight.

    Later y’all.

  251. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Have they been doing actual postgames on YES? I’ve been watching mostly on MLB archives.

  252. blake March 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    great news on DRob!

  253. Jason22 March 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Jf, yes he walks guys, but if you watch him, a lot fo his walks happen when he loses the plate, he seems to walk a couple of guys, then regain the zone with his sinker, he’s not consistently wild at all.

    I think it’s something he can improve on.

    The strikeout to me is something overrated with Mitchell, he gets them when he needs to, his curve-ball is a good K pitch.

    I like him more than Phelps, I really do. Warren I would take over him, but it’s close, especially if he get those wild hiccups under control.

    His sinker is so heavy, no he does not throw 94, but when he throws it down, it does not matter.

  254. Erin March 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    New Post: Curry reports bone bruise for Robertson

    :arrow:

  255. J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    love that fastball riding in and up on the RHB, there by Manny. Gonna have to re-watch him on MLB.

  256. DONNYBROOK March 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Based on the Yankee need, and how Vazquez dominated the NL the previous season, I woulda done that deal.

  257. Best To Ever Do It March 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    That deal cost us a young arm in Viz and ended Joba’s chance at starting. You better fault Cashman for making that trade.
    ///

    yes, yes, and yes, sadly. The silver lining, though, is Dante Bichette :D .

    ————————–

    Yea we do have that to look forward too. No post games on YES

  258. BD (Boston Dave) March 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Pat M,

    Joba was a “once in a generation” arm too.

    Maybe if generation refers to mosquitos.

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