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Still a secondary concern, Pineda’s velocity ticks up slightly

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The radar here at Champion Stadium showed Michael Pineda sitting around 89-91 with his fastball — pretty much the same as last time out — but this time he occasionally hit 93 and topped out at 94. That’s a step up from his first outing, and the Yankees took today as a solid step forward.

“We saw his velocity rise up today,” Joe Girardi said. “He threw some changeups, which I wanted to see. I think his slider was pretty good today, and he used it when he got behind in the count to get back in the count. I thought it was a step in the right direction.”

Pineda said he expects to be throwing harder and harder with every spring start, and that’s not only because of a natural increase in arm strength. Pineda isn’t trying to throw his fastball at max effort early in spring training.

“I conserve a little bit (of) my energy,” he said. “I can try, when I pitch again, throwing a little more hard and a little more hard and a little more hard. (During) my last start in spring training, I’m throwing harder… I don’t focus right now on my velo. I’m focused right now on competing on the mound and making a good pitch. That’s it.”

Both Pineda and Girardi estimated a total of eight changeups from Pineda, but it was his slider that was more effective. More than in his previous start against the Phillies, Pineda’s slider began to really look like a reliable weapon today. At this point, it seems the Yankees would rather see improvement of his offspeed pitches and command of the strike zone rather than a few 96 mph fastballs.

“I never want a pitcher going out there and just trying to air it out,” Girardi said. “That’s not pitching. As he develops more and more arm strength you’ll see more consistent (velocity). On the board I saw a lot of 93s today, and that’s up from the other day, and that’s what you expect. You expect that arm to continue to build.”

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245 Responses to “Still a secondary concern, Pineda’s velocity ticks up slightly”

  1. JK March 10th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    It’s your 1st couple starts, throw 96 mph NOW! I swear the media can be a bunch of morons sometimes.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Well I’ll be!

    Pineda topped off at 94, wasn’t throwing as hard as he can and wasn’t trying to, and has thrown even harder in Seattle.

    Who would have thunk it!

    :roll:

  3. Crawdaddy March 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Oh, oh, only 8 change ups and that’s not enough according to our so-called resident pitching expert.

  4. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    yankeefem,
    I had a partner in training in training on an Indian reservation for service in VISTA, which was kind of a domestic Peace Corps, back in the early 60?s. He was an Italian Jesuit priest who had missions on the Orinoco River in Venezuela. We were working south of Tempe, Arizona, on a miserably hot Friday afternoon. The lunch truck had ham sandwiches, and tuna sandiwiches for the Catholics. Father Jano chose the ham sandwiches, and I asked him why he wasn’t observing the fish-on-Friday rule. He replied, “The Pope has said you must observe the rule, except in times of war. Are we not involved in the War on Poverty?” Your last Latin was right on.

  5. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    What is up fellas!!

    Alot of also speak jibberish and smack as well.

    GB speaks another language you have obviously forgot about.
    GBONICS

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Uh oh. The season is over before it started then, Craw!

  7. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Why is it that everytime we pick up a stud pitcher he ends up leaving a couple MPH at the airport?
    Johnson
    Toad
    Mussina
    Vasquez
    Pineda???

    Did I miss anyone?

  8. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    They told Pineda to concentrate on tertiary and (what’s the word for fourth?) pitches. Sounds like he did it.

  9. MaineYankee March 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    SoS

    You going to follow Peyton to his new team?

  10. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    tomingeorgia. Great story. The Jesuit priests were way cooler than the student body at my school. ;)

  11. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Is there any pitch that pitchers learn that can cause their fastball to slow down?

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Hmm, I think I know that priest…

  13. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    Yankfem – a must see! (Sux v Rays)
    _____
    Especially with Bard starting. ;)

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Maine Yankee – excuse me for interjecting when never having played the game and only discerning it from watching the game for many years, knowing it as thoroughly as any “novice” could, and reading reports from the experts as well as from the player himself.

    I need to correct a misconception that one person on this forum has. Pineda came to the Yankees with a third pitch, one he had worked on for a long time in Seattle.

    I just don’t want you to be distraught thinking that he indeed doesn’t have a third pitch and really needs to develop one. He’s already developed one.

    I may not have played the game, but I have slept at a Holiday Inn!

    :)

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    See Joba Chamberlain…
    ////

    Time to eat. Then will watch Blow Sox game.

    Later.

  16. MTU March 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Tom-

    Quaternary.

    :)

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “Especially with Bard starting. ;)”

    Definite MUST SEE tv!!!!

    Can’t wait to see the Rays take it to them. And I love that the Rays gave Andino a standing O. Isn’t that a riot?!?

    :)

  18. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Chad, do we know who Pineda threw changeups to and in what counts? Pushing my luck? :mrgreen:

  19. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “Both Pineda and Girardi estimated a total of eight changeups from Pineda”

    i believe this is no where near enough for pineda to make a significant improvement in his change up by opening day.

    the yankees are not immune to doing some dumb things with pitchers they are developing. see hughes and joba and kennedy and wang

    i do not like the sound of 8 change ups.

    are they serious or aren’t they about improving pineda’s change up?

  20. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    so pineda got lit up without throwing many change ups?

    okeydokey

  21. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    trisha, also fun to see how Davis pitches, vying for that last Rays rotation spot.

  22. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Obviously, this won’t sit well with a couple of people, but, too bad. Don’t try reading into it you’re own biases or version.

    BloggingBombers Mark Feinsand

    Cashman on Pineda: “We are excited we have him and we think he’s going to be a real benefit for us long-term. We…

    http://www.sulia.com/c/new-yor.....ce=twitter

    More Cashman on Pineda: “We did not feel we acquired an instant No. 2 that’s ready to go. We felt we acquired a…

  23. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    ManineYankee,
    Yes. The only teams that I am a fan of the team and not the player is our very own Yanks and Longhorns.
    Im just anxious in knowing what team that will be. My pecking order would be
    AZ- Great receiver, done, easiest division
    KC- Good receiver, Great young core, easy division bad weather though and Fuglies for unis.
    Miami-was a Marino fan growing up. Be pretty weird going back there. But good core, good d and great weather. Tough division.
    Denver-Good d, good o line, nice unis.

    What do you think?

  24. MTU March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    I don’t get MLB Network.

    :(

  25. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    yankeefem,
    I have a hundred stories about that guy. Some of the smrtest guys I’ve ever known are (were) Jesuits. Don’t try to argue with them, it’s like arguing with randy, except they do it with logic, authority and facts. Disciplined minds, not likely here.

  26. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    I may not have played the game, but I have slept at a Holiday Inn!

    ======

    And Trisha has also saved $ on her car insurance.

  27. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “I may not have played the game, but I have slept at a Holiday Inn!”

    i just went on legal zoom and now i’m a lawyer.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    SoS – :lol:

  29. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    MTU March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
    I don’t get MLB Network.
    _____
    It’s also on mlb-tv. :)

  30. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    MTU March 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    Tom-

    Quaternary.

    Thanks. Early Times-induced amnesia. What do you mean, you can’t speak in tongues?

  31. MTU March 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Thank you YF.

    I would have preferred a larger screen but hey I’ll take it.

  32. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    “I may not have played the game, but I have slept at a Holiday Inn!”

    i just went on legal zoom and now i’m a lawyer.

    ========

    lol. I read your post Randy and Iv become a legit minor league/bullpen catcher with a last name of Corleone(offer you cant refuse).

  33. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    “Don’t try to argue with them, it’s like arguing with randy, except they do it with logic, authority and facts. Disciplined minds, not likely here.”

    tomigeorgia-

    i’m not using logic to argue with. i’m using experience.

    i once took an existentialism class from a former jesuit priest who left the priesthood to marry a nun.

    his whole deal was hearing music , experiencing music was very different from knowing the physics of music or the logic of it. sound familiar.

  34. ron March 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Pineda might have a 3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th pitch,but his changeup,before this year was not a pitch that was established enough to call it a 3rd pitch.

    When he threw his changeup in 2011,he threw it for a ball 50 % of the time.

    It is the results he got or did not get that will determine if it will ever be called a 3rd pitch.
    He needs to get outs with his changeup,neutralize lefties better with it,and make his fb,and slider better because of it.

    I can go up to the mound,throw a changeup,but it is the results that matter.

    On the bright side,he is throwing more of them,seems determined,and a few people,including rmart,are saying it does not look that bad.

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    If people spent the same amount of time studying and observing the law as they do watching organized sports, they’d have a real good handle on it.

    You really are so full of yourself. I love when jerkface catches you in your own web of exaggerations.

    I’m sure you’ll never acknowledge that there are people on this forum who probably know as much as you do about baseball and have never played the game.

    I guess you’re really limited if the only way you’ve ever picked up any knowledge in life is to have actually participated in the subject matter. Many others learn just by studying things.

  36. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    So the redskins gave up 3 first rounders and a second for the #2 pick which will obviously be for RG III. Sounds like a bit much dont you think?

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    tom – don’t even bother. You’re just going to encourage more tall tales.

  38. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “More Cashman on Pineda: “We did not feel we acquired an instant No. 2 that’s ready to go. We felt we acquired a…”

    gb7-

    yes, that’s the smart thing to say because it’s right.

    the yankees have a history of rushing development of prospects.

    pineda is officially the yankees top you prospect.

    they need to drop everything and teach him the change up or risk he’ ll fall into the pattern their other pitching propects have fallen into. that is trying to learn and win at the same time.

    i imagine it’s like sending a guy into combat and telling him to learn a new weapon.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    ron – you were really high on Montero and not thrilled with the trade as I remember. Am I correct?

  40. MaineYankee March 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
    ManineYankee,
    Yes. The only teams that I am a fan of the team and not the player is our very own Yanks and Longhorns.
    Im just anxious in knowing what team that will be. My pecking order would be
    AZ- Great receiver, done, easiest division
    KC- Good receiver, Great young core, easy division bad weather though and Fuglies for unis.
    Miami-was a Marino fan growing up. Be pretty weird going back there. But good core, good d and great weather. Tough division.
    Denver-Good d, good o line, nice unis.

    What do you think?

    ——————————————————————-

    He has a condo in Miami doesn’t he? From things I’ve heard it sounds like he could put them over the top. I also think he is close with Marino.

    Denver is possible because he’s about the only one that they could replace Tebow with without the fans rioting. I’m not sure if the weather would be a problem or not.

    I think I heard he wanted to stay in the AFC so if so those two would be my guess.

  41. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    “Don’t try to argue with them, it’s like arguing with randy, except they do it with logic, authority and facts. Disciplined minds, not likely here.”

    tomigeorgia-

    i’m not using logic to argue with. i’m using experience.

    i once took an existentialism class from a former jesuit priest who left the priesthood to marry a nun.

    his whole deal was hearing music , experiencing music was very different from knowing the physics of music or the logic of it. sound familiar.
    —————
    Except he could have (would have, if you wanted to know) explained it in non-existential terms. He married a nun. Is that relevant? There was a movement to excommunicate the Jesuits a while back as heretics. Are we all heretics because we will not bow to the Pope’s teachings?

  42. ron March 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Mike flanhery,the ex yankee catcher said,pineda should end up throwing 12-15 changeups per game,and if they are good enough,pineda should or could be a much more dominant pitcher.

    He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.

  43. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    “You really are so full of yourself. ”

    no ones asking you to interact act with me.

    you’re neither an athlete as a woman or a serious student of the game. you’re a psycho as far as the red sox go.

    you are so bad at math you don’t understand a tenth of what jerkface says.

    who cares what you think.

  44. BBFan March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    A failed bullpen catcher who could not sniff ML knows better than Girardi and their PC what is right for the Yankee pitchers and how they should be working on improving thier shortcomings… LOL :)

  45. Benny Blanco March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Hey, I have a great idea. Let’s encourage the reporters to keep questioning pineda’s velocity so that he can max out every pitch? Maybe if he threw with max effort every he would blow out his arm by the time july comes around. **sarcasm**

    Can they let the kid work please? All I want pineda to do is get outs. What’s wrong with that? whats wrong with pitching to contact to get outs?

    I knew under the super-microscope of NY, every outing would get dissected to the fullest extent.

    Would everyone be happy if he was throwing 97MPH straight fastballs that was getting hammered? Then the complaints would be that he can’t command his friggin fastball.

    Everyone needs to chill… Let the kid get his work in.

  46. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    57 pitches and around 8 change-ups is about right. works out to around 14-15 a game. Add in his bullpen work with Rothschild and tutelage from Sabathia and others and he has plenty of time to clean it up.

  47. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    “He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.”

    common sense.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    :lol:

  49. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    “Add in his bullpen work with Rothschild and tutelage from Sabathia and others and he has plenty of time to clean it up.”

    i think he should be throwing 100′s of them. total immersion.

  50. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Just think of the bright side. If Pineda does not get a third pitch he could come out of the gates in the 9th inning for the next 15 years. Im just wondering what song will be playing.

    Rico Suave
    Burning down the house
    Know when to fold them(kenny rogers)
    Pants on the Ground(Brett Farve version)

    Any thoughts?

  51. have a cigar March 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    The Randy L. Yankees Blog, brought to you by LoHud

    Now with 50% more Pineda bashing!

  52. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Randy, Pineda isn’t going into combat with a new weapon. He has the basic knowledge on it’s operation. He’s now getting ready to fine tune those skills under game conditions.

  53. ron March 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    trisha:

    I am ok with the trade.

    I wen’t back & forth a little bit,but i simply can’t predict the future,so i will just wait & see,and root for a new yankee.

    I personally think montero will struggle finding a position,but will hit very well.

    Just don’t know how well.

    I also believe pineda needs to develope an effective offspeed pitch,especially as the league adjusts to him,and he loses a few mph on his fb/slider,as all pitchers do.

  54. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Preview: Rays-Sux lineups:

    RED SOX
    1. Nick Punto, 2B
    2. Jose Iglesias, SS
    3. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
    4. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
    5. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
    6. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
    7. Darnell McDonald, LF
    8. Juan Linares, RF
    9. Alex Hassan, DH
    SP – Daniel Bard, RHP

    Also scheduled to pitch: RHP Alfredo Aceves, RHP Matt Albers, RH Clayton Mortensen, RHP Brandon Duckworth, RHP Junichi Tazawa.

    RAYS
    1. Jennings lf
    2. Upton cf
    3. Zobrist 2b
    4. Joyce rf
    5. Keppinger 3b
    6. Vogt dh
    7. Johnson 1b
    8. Brignac ss
    9. Gimenez c
    SP – Davis RHP
    ______

    :)

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    ron, he actually worked a long time on his changeup in Seattle, so he’s ahead of the game. He was also really happy with his changeup. If the Ys are tweaking it a bit, and it makes it even better than that’s a good thing.

  56. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    MaineYankee,
    Yes. He has a house in Miami and Reggie Wayne looks like he will be part of a package deal who is from Miami. I also heard hes close to Marino and it makes sense to stay in the AFC being
    that its not as deep of a conference and he doesnt have to be in Elis way every year. It wouldnt be my first choice because of the tough division. Im just glad he left Indy. Did not want to see his last years playing for a rebuilding team.

  57. ron March 10th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    “He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.”

    common sense.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I agree.

  58. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    “Randy, Pineda isn’t going into combat with a new weapon. He has the basic knowledge on it’s operation. He’s now getting ready to fine tune those skills under game conditions.”

    well , that’s one theory.

    another theory is what the poster above posted about pineda:

    “Mike flanhery,the ex yankee catcher said,pineda should end up throwing 12-15 changeups per game,and if they are good enough,pineda should or could be a much more dominant pitcher.

    He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.”

    the beauty of this debate is we are going to see the results pretty soon.

    it will be showtime in a about three weeks.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    57 pitches and 8 changeups???? Uh oh, look likes someone once again put his foot in it, and it isn’t you GB!

    So let me see. The professor said it HAD TO BE 25%. That is 1/4. Hmmm. 4 goes into 57 about 16 times. So that would mean he would have had to throw 16 changeups for the professor to have gotten it right and been able to brag about his great discernment!

    But it appears he got it wrong. Girardi got it right. And yet he claimed to have gotten it right!

    Who to trust, who to trust.

    :D

  60. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    The Randy L. Yankees Blog, brought to you by LoHud

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    ========

    That was pretty funny!! What ever happened to that stripper joint add that would pop up at the top right corner? I would have like someday to have an SoS day brought to you by Pants on the Ground(or whatever it was called). With the motel 6 slogan or “it all looks the same in the dark”.

  61. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    “Randy, Pineda isn’t going into combat with a new weapon. He has the basic knowledge on it’s operation. He’s now getting ready to fine tune those skills under game conditions.”

    well , that’s one theory.

    another theory is what the poster above posted about pineda:

    “Mike flanhery,the ex yankee catcher said,pineda should end up throwing 12-15 changeups per game,and if they are good enough,pineda should or could be a much more dominant pitcher.

    He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.”

    the beauty of this debate is we are going to see the results pretty soon.

    it will be showtime in a about three weeks.
    ———–
    Yes, ferkrissakes!
    Let’s just wait

  62. Against All Odds March 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    SoS March 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    So the redskins gave up 3 first rounders and a second for the #2 pick which will obviously be for RG III. Sounds like a bit much dont you think?

    —————-

    Yea that’s a lot to give up but the Redskins are known for making those types of moves.

  63. MaineYankee March 10th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    randy

    If you’re still in Maine you might want to be carefull.

    My wife read about some guy wearing a hat that said “make my day, shoot a tourist.” :lol:

  64. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Against All Odds,
    It almost reminds me of the Rickey Williams trade or the Minny /Dallas for Walker. I dont think we’ve ever had one for a QB though. If he ends up playing better than Cam Newton would that change your mind? The kid has great accuracy, strong arm and sick speed. But he cant win alone. They have put themselves in a position that they have to rely on the free agent market for a few years. I guess thats nothing new for Washington.

  65. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    trisha-

    you’ve had trouble on this blog for years with numerous posters.

    if i step back you’ll be fighting with someone else in no time.

    i’m sure you’re a pompous know it all in real life like you are here.

    you don’t like me. i don’t like you.

    why are we interacting with each other?

  66. ron March 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    ron, he actually worked a long time on his changeup in Seattle, so he’s ahead of the game. He was also really happy with his changeup. If the Ys are tweaking it a bit, and it makes it even better than that’s a good thing.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I don’t disagree with you,but the results up to today are not there yet.

    Yes he is young,and probably never needed another pitch,but make no mistake,he will need one,if he wan’t to become a dominant pitcher.

    Maybe it’s another pitch,different from the changeup,but the changeup,outside of a well placed fb,is a pitchers best friend.

    This is what kills me about hughes.
    He keeps going up there trying to strikeout everybody,and it is not going to work,unless he learns how to be a pitcher.

    Pineda has to get results with his changeup,so til he does,everybody saying how good it is means nothing.

    Getting outs,and weak contact,hitters off balanced because of it,making his fb/slider better,is the most important thing.

    I played hs baseball,and had a decent changeup.
    To me,i just don’t understand why pitchers struggle with it.

    You throw it exactly like a fb.
    The grip(more fingers on the ball,and the ball set a little back into your palm,is what slows the ball down).
    Throwing it over the top,on a downwards plane,is imperative to prevent lateral movement,and more vertical movement.

  67. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    “Randy, Pineda isn’t going into combat with a new weapon. He has the basic knowledge on it’s operation. He’s now getting ready to fine tune those skills under game conditions.”

    well , that’s one theory.

    another theory is what the poster above posted about pineda:

    “Mike flanhery,the ex yankee catcher said,pineda should end up throwing 12-15 changeups per game,and if they are good enough,pineda should or could be a much more dominant pitcher.

    He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.”

    the beauty of this debate is we are going to see the results pretty soon.

    it will be showtime in a about three weeks

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    and that’s what he did today. He pitched about have of his alloted pitches and 8 were change-ups. Over a full 100-110 pitches, that’s around 14-16 change-ups. He needs to build his arm strength and sharpen his control. I didn’t see the quality of his change-ups, but, by the end of ST, he would have worked out the operational knowledge of the pitch and go from practicing to putting it into full combat usage. Just like in combat when we were learning to fire TOW missles and stingers. Because of the high cost of the missles, we practiced the operations before ever firing a live missle. That’s what Pineda is doing now, but, he cannot afford to neglect his other weapons.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    I was just on the phone with President Obama. I don’t know if you realize what good friends we are because you know, we’re both lawyers. Well he said he had been talking to Ozzie Guillen since they were both based in Chicago, and Ozzie told the President he had been talking to Joe Girardi since their names both begin with “G”. Girardi told him to tell the President to tell me that he is really excited about Pineda’s changeup and expects him to come out of ST stronger than ever. He said that he estimates that Pineda’s success with the changeup will come in at 100% since he’s been practicing it for a long time now – he said he practiced it a lot in Seattle. He said Pineda has a lot of confidence in it since he has been practicing it for so long, so he’s not at all worried about it. He said he’s had a good laugh over one fan in particular who has been obsessing about it. He said the guy is totally mixed up.

    Girardi told Guillen to tell the President to tell me that he sends his best to all the rational fans on lohud.

    :)

  69. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    “Over a full 100-110 pitches, that’s around 14-16 change-ups.”

    gb7-

    yeah, but he’s not throwing 100-110 pitches.

    weren’t you ever concerned with how the yankee were developing hughes, joba, kennedy, and wang?

    if so why do you think they have changed their ways.

    to me , it’s still the same old same old.

    but we will see soon about pineda.

    this is not a never ending debate.

  70. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    “Randy, Pineda isn’t going into combat with a new weapon. He has the basic knowledge on it’s operation. He’s now getting ready to fine tune those skills under game conditions.”

    well , that’s one theory.

    another theory is what the poster above posted about pineda:

    “Mike flanhery,the ex yankee catcher said,pineda should end up throwing 12-15 changeups per game,and if they are good enough,pineda should or could be a much more dominant pitcher.

    He also said it will be easier for martin to call for pineda to throw a changeup in st,or earlier in the season,but if the results are not there with it,it will be harder for martin to call for it,especially when the yankees are trying to win.”

    the beauty of this debate is we are going to see the results pretty soon.

    it will be showtime in a about three weeks.
    ———–
    Yes, ferkrissakes!
    Let’s just wait.

    Pompous know-it-all? Know who’s that a definition of? Let me take a guess.

  71. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    “My wife read about some guy wearing a hat that said “make my day, shoot a tourist.””

    maine yankee-

    since i was born here and grew up on logging trucks as a kid i should be safe.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    ron – read what the guy himself is saying about the way he is pacing himself in ST. He’s a beast. He knows what he’s doing.

    I am willing to say unequivocally that we will have a conversation about Pineda mid season and you will be absolutely over the moon. I’d say we have our future number one in Pineda.

    Bold predictions? I don’t think so.

    But time will tell.

    :)

    We can often learn a lot more about a player by listening to the player himself rather than by listen to self-proclaimed experts sitting on a baseball forum. (I’m not saying I’m an expert, btw. Just pretty good at putting things together.)

    ;)

  73. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    “Pompous know-it-all? Know who’s that a definition of? Let me take a guess.”

    tomingeorgia-

    maybe you for all i know.

    look in in the mirror and tell me.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    “you’ve had trouble on this blog for years with numerous posters.

    if i step back you’ll be fighting with someone else in no time.”

    You fraud.

    I get along with everyone. You get along with no one.

    So step back, jack. And we’ll see that you’ve just made up another story.

  75. Tom in N.J. March 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Randy, what is your experience learning a new pitch? Where you a pro pitcher?

  76. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    some people guaranteed that cervelli would be a great catcher some day too.

    the guy sucks.

    worst throwing catcher in baseball.

    if he catches pineda , i hope pineda has a good move to first or it’ll be off to the races.

  77. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    randy,
    I don’t pose in front of the mirror as Napoleon, so it wouldn’t be me.

  78. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    If Pineda is throwing 15-20 change-ups out of 50-60 pitches, how is he supposed to build enough arm strength to throw 97 MPH or snap off a good slider. They have nearly a month before Pineda’s first start of the year. That’s plenty of time for him to become adaept at using his change-up for up to 15-20 a game.

  79. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    ” get along with everyone.”

    hahahahhahahahahah

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Girardi has been one of Cervelli’s biggest supporters.

    :)

    But of course he doesn’t know nearly as much as the forum wizard!

    :roll:

  81. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    What the hell happened to this blog? Its all fighting and no play. What happened to the days where we can just have fun talking about how old someone is in here and 80′s music. Some of us have been here for quite a longtime and its become like family. You fight with your bros and sis but in the end they are still family. Lets set a good example for the newbies and show them why this is/was the best Yankee blog ever made. Im going to depart now. The next time I comeback I want to talk about favorite ice-creams. Ill start.
    Coffee, chocolate and strawberry with Brownies chopped up. From Coldstone.
    Whos next?

  82. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    “what is your experience learning a new pitch? Where you a pro pitcher?”

    tom in nj-

    i doubt it’s a serious question, but rather just more baiting bs. i’m not going to list everything i’ve ever done in my life. i caught jack armstrong the whole winter before he started the national league all star game. i’ve roomed with rick petersen, ross grimsley and numerous other pitching coaches.

    what’s your point? or question?

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    “hahahahhahahahahah”

    laughing through your tears are you? I’d say it must hurt you but I’ve never seen any indication that you have a heart or soul. That explains why it’s so easy for you to treat people like crap.

    Carry on!

    And put your money where your mouth is fraud. Or were you once again playing the percentages. Back off and let’s see who I fight with.

    Caught in your own web of fiction once again.

  84. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    “That’s plenty of time for him to become adaept at using his change-up for up to 15-20 a game.”

    gb7-

    we’ll see.

    i don’t think they’re going to get there.

  85. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Mr. Green’s green tea and red bean ice cream.

    Would that Cashman would/would have preach(ed) patience with Hughes? Go, Phil!

  86. ron March 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    As general manager Brian Cashman said, “I don’t think there’s a number one or two starter in the big leagues right now with only two pitches. I just don’t think you can pitch like that for an extended period of time.”

    Rothschild started working with Pineda on his changeup grip before pitchers and catchers reported to camp, settling on a modified version of a circle-change that Pineda now tucks deeper into his palm than he did with Seattle, spreading his fingers more. The Yankees have found Pineda receptive to the changes.

    Watch pineda’s 2 changeups.

    One to k victorino,where it dives straich down,and the other changeup where brown lines out to 3b,where the changeup is going down,and away.

    2 very good ones.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    ron – that’s because he’s worked on it for a long time! Nothing but good news!

    :)

    It’s all good.

  88. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    “And put your money where your mouth is fraud. Or were you once again playing the percentages. Back off and let’s see who I fight with.”

    anyone who’s been on this blog for the past five years knows what a psycho you’ve been at times.

    i think its time for us to go our separate ways as chad has instructed both of us in the past.

  89. MTU March 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    randy-

    Isn’t it possible that Pineda is throwing a lot more CU’s in his side sessions ?

    Wouldn’t that count towrds his reps.

  90. Tom in N.J. March 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Randy, it was a serious question. I was curious, nothing more.

    I’m really not into baiting people.

    Jack Armstrong’s from NJ…

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    ron, the point is that he came with a changeup and they are tweaking it to help make it even better.

    Nothing but good, right?

  92. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    “Jack Armstrong’s from NJ…”

    tom in nj-

    yup.

  93. ron March 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    trisha:

    I am a yankees fan,and would be absolutely thrilled if you are right.

    But what you do not seem to understand is that,what i said is correct,and cashman,girardi,the pitching coach,all the same people you trust before us so called experts,have said,and are saying the same exact thing.

    Pineda is not there yet with his changeup where it can be called a 3rd effective pitch.

    I’ll leave predicting the future to you.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    “anyone who’s been on this blog for the past five years knows what a psycho you’ve been at times.

    i think its time for us to go our separate ways as chad has instructed both of us in the past.”

    :roll:

    He’s never instructed me. But it’s heartening to know he’s instructed you. Hell people on this forum used to come on and tell you to back off when you were in your usual nonstop obsessive gnawing away mode. You didn’t listen to them either.

    You’re beyond hope.

  95. Pat M. March 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Over the years I’ve had my battles with Jerkface and to a lesser degree with LGY…..However what has transpired today makes us look like choir boys in comparison….Cup, time to hit the showers and call it a day….Things are spinning out of control pal….

  96. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    MTU, it counts if he’s serious about it being throw correctly. I fugure that he gets about four more starts in ST and maybe 5 more side sessions. Thats about 150 change-ups. Just needs to make them meaningful. Bad practice is worse than no practice. As long as he throws affective change-ups, he’ll figure it out.

  97. sammiejohnson March 10th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    if he catches pineda , i hope pineda has a good move to first or it’ll be off to the races.

    ________________________________________

    I want to get in on the ground floor of this one. So let me start:

    Pineda MUST go to AAA to learn a move to first base!
    He will NEVER learn one in ST!
    I give him only a 10% chance of learning a mediocre move to 1B in ST!
    If he is not sent to AAA to learn a move to 1B, he will be sent to the bullpen this season!
    Then I predict he will have TJS and be out of baseball at age 28.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    ron – they’re tweaking it. No big deal.

    I’ll stay with my prediction. It’ll at least be fun to watch, right?

    And I am willing to stand my prediction. I’m also willing to eat my words if need be – but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

    :)

  99. MTU March 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    GB-

    It’s not like he had to learn the pitch from scratch.

    He needs reps. Not sure how many.

    I would expect all pitching sessions to be taken seriously whether they are live or just side ones.

    Thanks for your take.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    “I want to get in on the ground floor of this one. So let me start:

    Pineda MUST go to AAA to learn a move to first base!
    He will NEVER learn one in ST!
    I give him only a 10% chance of learning a mediocre move to 1B in ST!
    If he is not sent to AAA to learn a move to 1B, he will be sent to the bullpen this season!
    Then I predict he will have TJS and be out of baseball at age 28.”

    LMAO!!!

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Hey – anyone want to fight?

    If not, anyone got new predictions for the Prediction Charts?

    Signed,

    Loveable Me.

    :D

    2012 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    2012 SUXIAN FUTILITY CHART

  103. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    .”Cup, time to hit the showers and call it a day…”

    pat m

    there are times to mind your own business.

    i say that respectively.

  104. Crawdaddy March 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    “there are times to mind your own business.”

    It’s all of our business when you’re dragging down the quality of this blog.

  105. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Girardi is going to Ft. Myers tomorrow to evaluate Hughes’ pitching performance. Seems to me that he’d prefer to evaluate the kids like Sabathia and Rivera.

  106. m March 10th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Honestly, Trisha has more credibility than you at the moment, randy l.

    She doesn’t say stuff, then back track, then say she did it to stir up the pot when she gets owned, and then lash out in embarrassment.

    I thought she was the queen back patter, but you took that title away from her.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    “I thought she was the queen back patter, but you took that title away from her.”

    Hey!

    ;)

  108. sammiejohnson March 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Trisha,

    I do not post much, so have not got in on your predicttions chart. Can I still get in?

  109. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    MTU March 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    GB-

    It’s not like he had to learn the pitch from scratch.

    He needs reps. Not sure how many.

    I would expect all pitching sessions to be taken seriously whether they are live or just side ones.

    Thanks for your take.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Sabathia had 2 pitches until he learned his change-up at the age of about 25 from Carly Willey, who learned from Roger Craig. Not uncommon to learn a pitch later on that must seem foreign to what you were told earlier…loosen up the drip and let it fly.

  110. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    That’s Carl Willis

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Well time to watch the Sux and the Bard get lit up.

    Want to see Iglesias, their second-coming!

    Later y’all.

    :)

  112. mick March 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Are we all heretics because we will not bow to the Pope’s teachings?
    =======================================
    No, we are just not followers of Randy…

  113. SoS March 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Thought I would peak in for one last time.

    Trish
    117 wins you can put that on the board in non erasable marker.

    If this blog was a survival show, Randy would have been voted off the island.

    Have a good night fellas. Maybe March madness will distract us from this you are one but what am I games.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    sammiejohnson. Absolutely. Give me a Yankee prediction and a Sux prediction as a tie-breaker if necessary. 12 Ritter Sports Bars goes to the one who wins the Yankee Prediction chart!

    :)

  115. mick March 10th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    pat m

    there are times to mind your own business.

    i say that respectively.
    =============================
    oh to be a member of the ex-ballplayer club…

  116. ron March 10th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    trisha:

    I hope you are right,trust.

    All i am saying is,throwing a few changeups in st,or any game for that matter,is a far cry from saying it is an effective 3rd pitch.
    I am not making any predictions one way or the other.

    Just saying that when he can throw a changeup for a strike,in any count,and it have a positive result,it can then be called an effective 3rd pitch.

    He has a long,long way to go with his changeup,and i hope & prey he gets there.

    The one he struck out victorino was a beautifull changeup,and if he ever develops a good one,he will be an ace.

    The one against brown was not a good one.
    It tailed down,and away,and got to much of the plate.But it got the job done.

  117. sammiejohnson March 10th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    After looking over the charts, I am going to go very conservative.

    Yanks 95

    Sux 89

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    I’d rather someone say it “respectfully” than “respectively”.

    However, I can’t imagine anyone telling someone like Pat M to mind his own business.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    sammie, you got it.

    **********

    ron, ST is the time for working things out. I have no doubt whatsoever that Pineda is going to be a success. Best I can say.

    Big picture. He’ll get there.

  120. Crawdaddy March 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    “However, I can’t imagine anyone telling someone like Pat M to mind his own business.”

    He’s an internet bully and that’s all.

  121. CompassRosy March 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    m March 10th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    “Not sure who balked at Nova in the trade, but Rosy brought up an interesting question last night. It could be that in the end the forearm strain scared off the Mariners.”

    ~

    It’s possible, just like David Adams’ ankle scared them off in the first attempt of “Jesus to Seattle”

    *****

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    “Rays vs. Sux is on tonight on mlb network.”

    ZZzzzzzz

    I wish it was the M’s vs Snakes split squad game.
    The early game vs the Dodgers was on the radio today, which was nice as a back drop to my spring cleaning but, the night cap is the one I really want to follow. It features Hultzen, Walker, Paxton and Ramirez pitching with Jesus catching and batting cleanup between Carp and Catricala. Unfortunately, it’s not on radio OR tv :-( so I’ll have to settle for GameDay or AtBat….

  122. mick March 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    randy might be having a nervous breakdown, really have sympathy…he hasn’t always been this way, has he?

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    mick – uh, yes.

  124. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    it’s time for people to talk to who they are interested in talking to.

    it’s very easy to skip over anyone you don’t want to read.

    there’s nothing complicated about this.

    as far as bullying , isn’t that when a bunch of people try to gang up on someone ?

  125. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Rosy, ugh. I too wish it were on.

    Both Yanks games are on mlb-tv tomorrow (split squad). So, we can finally see how Hughes and his changeup are looking.

    AJ took the first step in getting back. Good for him:
    http://washington.nationals.ml.....8;c_id=mlb

    Bard threw a lot of pitches that first inning. Go, Wade!

  126. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Rosy, mlb says the game is on KTAR, DBacks’ radio. At least there is that…

  127. mick March 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    why do we have to see that wretched green wall during ST?

  128. randy l. March 10th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    mick March 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    randy might be having a nervous breakdown, really have sympathy…he hasn’t always been this way, has he?

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    mick – uh, yes.

    losers :)

  129. mick March 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    what is a loser randy, please educate us oh wise man…

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