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Almonte making an impression in Yankees camp

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 11, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Zoilo Almonte wasn’t necessarily organizational filler, but for too long he’d been an intriguing young hitter with so-so results. He had a pretty nice year with Staten Island in 2009 — .274/.355/.440 — he followed it with a kind of all-or-nothing 2010 split between Charleston and Tampa. There was always something to like, but rarely anything to love, and he remained firmly on the fringes of prospect buzz.

Last spring was the breakout that landed him a spot on the 40-man, and his first week and a half in big league camp have him on the radar.

“His at-bats are really good,” Joe Girardi said today. “His defense has been good. He’s run the bases. Everything that you’d ask a player to do, he’s done. This is a young man that really kind of burst on the scene a little bit. He showed up on the radar, (and) we might really have something. He’s just continued to do it in camp. Has there been a hitter more productive?”

Counting his big game against South Florida, Almonte is 6-for-10 with seven RBI. You could certainly make the case that Alex Rodriguez and maybe even Jose Gil have been just as good, but Almonte has made himself a player worth watching. He hit .293/.368/.514 before a promotion to Trenton last season, and this year’s trick will be continuing that production at the Double-A level. The upper levels of the Yankees system are thin in the outfield, so Almonte could easily put himself on the verge if he continues to hit.

In some ways, Melky Mesa is a cautionary tale. Mesa was also a fringy prospect who landed a 40-man spot after a big season in Tampa only to follow it with a disappointing year in Trenton, but Almonte is younger — still just 22 – and hasn’t shown the same consistently extreme strikeout totals. Almonte is far from a sure thing, but he’s an interesting guy in an organization that’s waiting for a big-league-ready outfield prospect to emerge. Even if he’s nothing more than a switch-hitting fourth outfielder, Almonte could be helpful in these money-saving days.

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300 Responses to “Almonte making an impression in Yankees camp”

  1. jacksquat March 11th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Jerkface March 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    I’m hoping that once the season begins, posters will focus on the season and all the Yankees have going for them and not keep reliving the trade (probably an impossible dream) or worse, spend the whole season talking about what’s going to happen in 2014.

    I’m hoping that once the season begins some posters will realize baseball extends beyond the Yankees, and won’t gripe so much about certain people discussing a player on another team.

    Oh please, the incessant whining about the Montero trade here is hardly just “discussing a player on another team”.

  2. Stoneburner March 11th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    randy l. March 11th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    jerkface-

    what percentage will safeco knock down montero’s home run production.

    i’m guessing off the top of my head 20 %.

    *********

    Montero’s ability to hit to rightfield should help him – Safeco will not Adrian Beltre him – if he does not hit as the next Frank Thomas, Albert Pujols, or Frank Robinson – then maybe the fan boys were off and just maybe he is a very good hitter who might be able catch versus a once in a generation hitter as promised by certain posters.

  3. mick March 11th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Oh please, the incessant whining about the Montero trade here is hardly just “discussing a player on another team”.
    ===============================
    true. it is part of an agenda by those needing credit for stimulating this blog.
    a pat on the back, so to speak.

  4. PhiltheThrill March 11th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    they’ve been waiting a long time on Zoilo. Be nice if he becomes a late bloomer who was maybe hurt by our guantlet of minor league pitching parks.

  5. Jason22 March 11th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I still think Abe is the better prospect of the Almonte’, we will see this year.

    He was a great player the second half of the season, he had the longest hitting streak in the entire minors, I believe his slow start was from missing the entire previous season.

  6. luis March 11th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    mick March 11th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Oh please, the incessant whining about the Montero trade here is hardly just “discussing a player on another team”.
    ===============================
    true. it is part of an agenda by those needing credit for stimulating this blog.
    a pat on the back, so to speak.

    ==============================

    With all do respect….The issue was raised by Villa when he wondered if Montero would have made the team last ST if he raked like he is doing now. Everything spiraled down from there. Hardly a need to be right or to be recognized.

  7. mick March 11th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    luis with all due respect, you need to drill down a bit.

  8. luis March 11th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    mick March 11th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    luis with all due respect, you need to drill down a bit.

    ====================

    Please translate

  9. Villa Nova-Ya March 11th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    To be perfectly frank, the issue was raised by the post or posts before mine which referenced Montero’s hitting/catching stats for the day and then I reflected on that. it devolved from there. My sincere apologies.

  10. mick March 11th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    this discussion did not start today, it has been going on from day 1
    where anyone can find the energy to constantly whine is beyond me
    and is pointless

  11. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Villa,

    No need to apologize….It was a fair and intelligent question

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    “the agenda was to trade him, better off letting it go…”

    Apparently it was. I think J Al may have even mentioned that he was worried when Montero wasn’t playing winter ball. Someone mentioned it anyway. And others alluded to thinking he was going to be an eventual trading chip.

    And he was mentioned in trade talk before.

    Smart money should have told people the handwriting was on the wall.

    mick, not everyone can adjust to things out of their control.

    Apparently you, I, and several others can.

    If I reacted to everything that wasn’t of my liking, I probably wouldn’t survive!

    :)

    ***********

    Lock, best I can tell you is that I don’t let my disappointment take hold of me. I take hold of it. Been there, done that, extremely unproductive and a total waste of time.

    I said numerous times on this forum (it’s there for the checking) that the Yankees would NEVER trade Montero. I said to take it to the bank. I was wrong. They traded him. I allowed myself real tears when it happened. And then I got a grip. I understood why it happened, and my way is always to look at the big picture, not a snapshot in time.

    I intend to enjoy the hell out of this season, the way I do every season. I don’t flip out when the Yankees lose and I have total faith in their ability to be there in the postseason. I’m not a micromanager. I don’t sweat the small stuff.

    Posters are free to do what they want, to knock themselves out with stress, to jump up and down, to be as negative as they want and to cast a pall on the entire forum if they so choose. I’ve lived through that too.

    I’ll just play with the happy posters!

    :)

  13. Tom in N.J. March 11th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Jesus Montero can slam a revolving door.

  14. mick March 11th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    jesus is the new joba who was the new phil

  15. BD (Boston Dave) March 11th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Rank these players in terms of who has the best career (exclusively offensive stats):

    - Jesus Montero
    - Bryce Harper
    - Giancarlo (Mike) Stanton
    - Mike Trout
    - Jason Heyward
    - Lars Anderson ;)

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    By the way, I have to believe that all serious posters will agree that the Yankees being 2nd in runs in the majors last season really showed there was no immediate need for a bat.

    I’d also have to believe that all serious posters will agree that with AJ on the trading block, Hughes still an uncertainty from last season, and Nova coming back from whatever happened to him in the postseason, the Yankee rotation wasn’t considered to be a SURE BET.

    It’s one thing to be really upset about losing someone like Montero. It’s another to pretend the Yankees didn’t need starting pitching in order to justify some on-going funereal approach to posting on the forum.

    I can entirely respect the former. I consider the latter pathetic and selfish.

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    “Oh please, the incessant whining about the Montero trade here is hardly just “discussing a player on another team”.”

    The man has a point.

  18. BD (Boston Dave) March 11th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    I’ll go:

    Harper, Stanton; Montero; Heyward; Trout; Anderson

  19. mick March 11th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    # mick March 11th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    he was worried when Montero wasn’t playing winter ball.
    ===================================
    it was obvious.
    they could have gotten less
    the deals diminished in value as they were proffered.

  20. BD (Boston Dave) March 11th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Eh, montero could definitely hit better than Stanton… just not the power.

  21. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    I’ll go Montero, Harper, Stanton, Heyward, Trout…..Larson does even compare to this guys. Obviously i am little biased ! :)

  22. BD (Boston Dave) March 11th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    luis,

    could be that way.

    will be fun watching that group of young bats. did I miss anyone who fits in that class of very young elite prospect bats ?

  23. BD (Boston Dave) March 11th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “Larson does even compare to this guys.”

    ———

    I threw Lars Anderson in there as a dig.

    But I kinda like the name “Larson” since anybody who bet on that guy being a stud got robbed.

  24. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    BD,

    Miguel Sano? I don’t think he is on the same class but who knows

  25. Bo knows March 11th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Z is three inches taller and thirty pounds heavier thant Abe.

    Just has a beautiful swing. Very Cano like.

  26. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    BD,

    I know…He was as Hyped as much as Eric Duncan

  27. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Bo,

    You mean Zoilo has a better swing than Abe or the other way around??…I understand that Abe has a higher ceiling….But what i have seen from Zolio, he might be able to help the team maybe as soon as 2013

  28. PhiltheThrill March 11th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Abe is toolsy, and early on he showed good plate disc. It’s been missing as he has muddled up long season, still he is very talented and did show patience at one point. It could still come together for him.

  29. Bo knows March 11th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    I haven’t seen Abe but at 5’9″ and 170 he’d have to be a holy terror. No, I just saw a couple at bats in passing and went “Woah, who is that guy”. Nice, very nice swing, seems to generate good power. In comparison, the Mesa at bats drive me to moiderize his hitting coaches. The busiest man in the batter’s box I’ve seen in a while. How the hell he can hit anything at all is beyond me.

  30. blake March 11th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    “Rank these players in terms of who has the best career (exclusively offensive stats):

    - Jesus Montero – Bryce Harper – Giancarlo (Mike) Stanton – Mike Trout – Jason Heyward – Lars Anderson”

    Strictly talking about the bats….I wouldn’t be shocked if Montero was the best pure hitter of that bunch….some or the other guys may turn out to be better all around players though.

  31. blake March 11th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    When does Banuelos pitch again….that’s like my favorite part of spring training.

  32. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 11th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    “- Jesus Montero
    - Bryce Harper
    - Giancarlo (Mike) Stanton
    - Mike Trout
    - Jason Heyward
    - Lars Anderson”

    Stanton , Harper , Trout , Heyward , Montero.

    Won’t even mention the other guy.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    If they stay on schedule, Manny should go Wed.

  34. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Hi JAP!,

    What did you think of Hughes and Warren today?

  35. Bo knows March 11th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    I’m totally amazed how easy Banuelos throws to get the results. Just a little jobber.

  36. luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Bo knows March 11th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    I’m totally amazed how easy Banuelos throws to get the results. Just a little jobber.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes…..He may not be the best we’ve got as far ceiling….But his floor is quite high IMHO

  37. stuckey March 11th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “First, i would say that this is the best blog in the world…”

    Luis, I would not.

    “Lots of very intelligent and knowledgeable people around…If most fans were as good as those you find in this blog, believe me there would be a controversy raging all over….The reason it is not happening is because most fans are casual and don’t follow baseball as close as some others do.”

    Again, you strike me as a very reasonable person, but your logic is still self-fulfilling.

    This trade has generated almost no controversy within the larger baseball world, including amongst 24 hour news/analysis channels and the ever-need-of-a-controversy internet sports hubs.

    It has not. The trade has largely been regarded positively in the Yankees favor.

    So this brings us back to your line of argument, the the reason the chatter has persisted for so long because it is such a controversial trade.

    But it is not, outside of a small handful of fans. You may regard these small handful of people as intelligent, but that does not a controversy make. You can’t say a small handful of people won’t let go of the topic because it’s so controversial when the same small handful are exclusively responsible for any perceived “controversy”.

    That’s again, circular.

  38. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Evening.

    Just checking in from the hospital ward.

    The Yankees are loaded with Pitching.

    Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, and Stoneburner all look like viable ML starters.

  39. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    And Hughes looked very good.

    :)

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    luis March 11th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    Hi JAP!,

    What did you think of Hughes and Warren today?
    ///

    Hi luis, I thought Hughes looked pretty crisp. Glad he’s got some oomph on the fb and really driving toward the plate. I’m encouraged. Warren I didn’t get to see all of but looked a little off with the slider today. I know they want him tighter with it and want Ks but when I was watching they weren’t tempted to offer at it. I saw they each got 3 IP, I’m hoping Dellin gets at least a couple on Tuesday.

    What’d you think of Warren?

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    MTU,

    Hope that goes well for you. The 3 AAA guys are solid. SB needs a bit more pruning, I’d say, and he lost time, too. Maybe could be a reliever down the road.

  42. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    stuckey March 11th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    For the record…I regard you as a very intelligent poster, that questions everything, which is good.

    About the media….I think there are bigger fish to fry….This would be controversial to the media if the trade was between Pujols and Halladay for example.

    If you follow other blogs you will see discussions along the same lines.

    I’m sure there are some that want to be recognized, but most like me are not convinced that the trade was the smart thing to do. ( I must add that i have a little biased because he is my fellow countryman ). I think is controversial because there are good arguments on both sides, and unfortunately only time will tell if it was the right thing to do or not. that’s why it is circular, there is no way to settle this issue for good.

    My guess is that time cures everything and as the season progresses the talk will die down.

  43. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    JAP-

    I did not mean literally from the hospital ward. Sorry.

    I’ve been confined to quarters. Been sick with a relapse of the crawling crud.

    I’ve learned to love sleeping and eating because that’s about all I’ve been able to do for several days.

    I haven’t been sick in a long time and I forgot how nasty it can be.

    I’m done with antibiotics now so I hope I’ve got it licked.

    Thanks for the well wishes.

  44. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    JAP,

    Along the same lines of you….Good FB, good CU, but needs to work on his slider, has a lot of downward movement but very little lateral one, which in turn doesn’t fool the hitter

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    MTU,

    I’m glad you’re OK. You might want to get yourself some probiotics and eat some plain yogurt if your antibiotics course is at an end. It will help restore the “good bugs” the drugs kill off, which will help you build your resistance back up.

  46. blake March 11th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    MTU,

    Why you in the hospital?

    I think Banuelos has the highest ceiling and floor of the pitching prospects the Yanks have.

  47. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    MTU,

    Hope that you are able to climb in no time!!

  48. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Blake-

    See my post to JAP above.

    I did not mean it literally.

    I should be more careful with my words I guess. My apologies.

    I really meant that I have still been sick at home.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    luis,

    yeah I think we’re seeing him trying to get more bite on it but he wasn’t fooling anyone today. This was going on end of last year too but I haven’t seen him live since Trenton days.

  50. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    JAP-

    Acidophilus ? That what ya’ mean.

    I’ve heard that antibiotics can screw with your intestinal flora.

    thanks for the advice.

  51. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Blake,

    I agree he has the highest floor…I mean i think he could go north with the team the way i saw him pitch two days ago ( I saw the replay tonight )…But Betances if he cleans up his act he is the best of them all ( including Pineda )

  52. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    luis,

    yeah I think we’re seeing him trying to get more bite on it but he wasn’t fooling anyone today. This was going on end of last year too but I haven’t seen him live since Trenton days.

    +++++++++++++++++

    In fact the first time i saw the slider i thought it was a CB with 12-6 break, go figure!

  53. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Luis-

    Thanks. Me too. I really miss being out there.

    I tried to start up again a bit too soon and caused myself this relapse.

    I’ll need to be more careful next time.

  54. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    I saw Warren today and I thought pure stuffwise he has more than Hughes.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    JAP-

    Acidophilus ? That what ya’ mean.

    I’ve heard that antibiotics can screw with your intestinal flora.

    thanks for the advice.
    ///

    more or less, but try to get one with bifidus and a few other strains, too. I’ve heard acidophilus alone is no match for antibiotics. I’m sure with our hiking history, you’ll be bouncing up in no time.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    *your hiking history, that is.

  57. EA March 11th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    “I saw Warren today and I thought pure stuffwise he has more than Hughes.”

    You know, I thought the exact same thing watching him, which surprised me because he was never touted to have the stuff that a young Hughes did. Maybe this version of Hughes is lesser, but Warren’s stuff looked better than advertised.

  58. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    I saw Warren today and I thought pure stuffwise he has more than Hughes.

    ==========

    WOW! that’s no small praise to Warren or a cheap shot at Hughes! ;)

    Could you elaborate?

  59. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    EA-

    I beleive warren touched 93 several times with his heater.

    Looked to some nice secondary stuff too.

    I haven’t seen enough to know if he commands it well but he looked good to me today.

    he hung a breaking pitch that was sent over the wall but that is to be expected this early in ST.

    He looked solid otherwise.

  60. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Luis-

    See my post to EA above.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    In fact the first time i saw the slider i thought it was a CB with 12-6 break, go figure!
    ///

    he used to throw a curve but they cancelled it for the slider.With the other fastballs & his change, he just needs to get that 3rd pitch where they want it. I may watch his whole outing today, if I can stay awake.

  62. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    What are we gonna do with all this pitching talent ?

    :)

  63. Stoneburner March 11th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    4h Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @Ginrosge Very. Pineda also had games last year where he pitched at low velocities intentionally and amped it up later in the game.
    In reply to Geo

    4h Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    No issues, he’s choosing to save his bullets. RT @Ginrosge Could Pineda’s FB issues be mechanical in nature.

    Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Scout: Pineda throws harder deeper into games and takes it easy in early innings. That’s probably what he’s doing more of this year.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    But Betances if he cleans up his act he is the best of them all ( including Pineda )
    ///

    Yup. Just needs to get back to what he did so well in 2010. Wish we could have seen his last outing.

  65. Stoneburner March 11th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dshankpolitico Exactly, he can start as a catcher in Seattle and if it gets past him it won’t be under the microscope like NY.
    In reply to darrin shank

    1h Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dshankpolitico About the same. I’ve asked two Mariners scouts who say he’s not very gifted back there and may never be.
    In reply to darrin shank

    1h Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @dshankpolitico I think he’s in a better place to try catching in the majors than NY. Fans would kill him for bad defense.

  66. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    What are we gonna do with all this pitching talent ?

    =========================

    Don’t get me started!! :) Seriously, some will help the club in the not so distant future, some will be traded, but as Pat M said there is never to much pitching.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    What are we gonna do with all this pitching talent ?
    ////

    Goooood question. All that pitching, even with one of the best potential starters in the bullpen.

  68. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Our tree is heavy with ripe fruit.

    :)

  69. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Stuckey,

    See??!!…..We started a nice conversation and someone comes and brings back the issue, as you can see it comes from both sides…But more often than not it comes from the pro trade faction

  70. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    It looks like Mr. Almonte is raising some eyebrows.

    ;)

  71. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Good night JAP, MTU

    Enjoy the rest of the evening….

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    luis,

    I understand the Mariners have this tremendous young hitter named Jesus Montero….Keep your eye on that one, he’s going to be a good one!

    Did you see El Manquinito go opposite today?

  73. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Dulce Suenos Luis.

    ;)

  74. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Time for me to part company too.

    Have a good one.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Good night, luis! :D

    MTU, he’s got some Melky Cabrera in him. He was my darkhorse (read: ONLY OF option from within) to maybe give them something to think about for next season. He needs to improve on breaking pitches though.

  76. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    JAP,

    Yeah, I think i’ve heard of him somewhere, not sure about his name….Jesus?….Humm, i’ll check him out. :)

    Yes i did!!….That’s a good sign that he is shortening the stroke, if that happens we are going to be to very happy prospect huggers :)

    Good night my friend.

  77. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    JAP-

    We could use the help.

    :)

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    G’nite luis ;)

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    MTU, yes indeedy. Feel better, man.

    Night, all

  80. luis March 11th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    MTU,

    For the record is not you the one i was referring in my rant.

  81. MTU March 11th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Luis-

    Gracias.

    Hasta Manana amigo.

    :)

  82. Tar March 11th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    “This trade has generated almost no controversy within the larger baseball world, including amongst 24 hour news/analysis channels and the ever-need-of-a-controversy internet sports hubs.”

    “It has not. The trade has largely been regarded positively in the Yankees favor.”

    First there is a reason why we are here and not out there. Are you assuming that Luis is talking about controversy with the press in general and not the blog in particular?

    “You can’t say a small handful of people won’t let go of the topic because it’s so controversial when the same small handful are exclusively responsible for any perceived “controversy”.
    That’s again, circular.”

    Again couldn’t this just be Luis’s opinion that the trade has created controversy both within himself and on the blog as a whole. Which it certainly has. Isn’t Randy controversial on this blog with a small amount of posters and not out in the free-world ( I hope not anyway :D ).

    Why can’t this trade be controversial and polarizing for the small amount people who frequent this blog? I for one don’t feel the need for validation from the the sporting world to know how I feel about this trade.

    Maybe the real question is why the hell delve so deep into an innocuous statement anyway?

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Maybe the real question is why the hell delve so deep into an innocuous statement anyway?
    ///

    this

    GN

  84. austinmac March 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    JAP,

    I think your Melky comparison for Almonte is a good one. Let’s hope so.

  85. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    I hope you have a speedy recovery, MTU.

  86. Jerkface March 11th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

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    Scout: Pineda throws harder deeper into games and takes it easy in early innings. That’s probably what he’s doing more of this year.

    Let me just say this about velocity. I don’t like the idea of Pineda holding back or that his velocity is the product of some kind of overexertion that he wants to go easy on. Holding back on your motion is a good way to get injured. If he has to dial it up physically to sit 95 than that is a bit worse than a player who has that velocity come easy. Guys that throw 92 don’t have to start the game at 88 before dialing it up to 92. Justin Verlander does not need to start the game at 89. Infact he is able to throw 96 within his first 10 pitches. Pineda averaging 95 mph for a game/the year, if he is throwing 89-92 early then that means he has to be well above 95 later in the game to have it average out. I don’t like the idea of him ratcheting it up when his arm is going to be more tired. He should be throwing at what his natural motion allows. Guys like CC, Hughes, Banuelos, Kuroda, Darvish, and others are able to throw around their average velocity. He doesn’t have to be jostling it up to 99 mph, but if his normal motion produces 95 mph then he ought to be throwing that.

    Total amateur opinion, but I don’t like the idea of throwing 89 mph.

  87. Jerkface March 11th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    And I’m going through the gamelogs and I’m seeing a lot of 94+ within the first 20 pitches of the game, so if holding back is throwing 94 mph I’d like to see more of that now. As I said, no need for 97+ that should be his high end when he really needs it, but his motion should be giving him the mid 90s he averages.

  88. BD (Boston Dave) March 12th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Last year it was how Gustavo Molina was going to crush the Yankees chances. Or how the rotation would get killed.

    This year it’s that Pineda isn’t throwing mid 90s in early March. Or the Yanks won’t score enough runs.

    God this blog us boring and useless in the early months…

    April can’t come soon enough.

  89. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Do not speak the False Molina’s name here!

  90. Bo knows March 12th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Just a thought on Pineda. Are the Yankees dialing him back to prevent the violent motion? Haven’t seen him pitch but is he still falling off as badly this spring? This to me would be a good thing.

  91. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Haven’t seen him pitch but is he still falling off as badly this spring?

    Yes.

  92. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    +1

  93. stuckey March 12th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    “First there is a reason why we are here and not out there. Are you assuming that Luis is talking about controversy with the press in general and not the blog in particular?”

    Yes, I am.

    Context.

    “But i think this is one of the most controversial trades that i can recall in the past 20 years, so i don’t think is going away any time soon.”

    Do I need to point which part of that statement makes it very unlikely he was referring to THIS forum specifically and essentially invalidates the premise of your reply, Tar.

    What the heck .. it was “in the past 20 years” part.

    “Maybe the real question is why the hell delve so deep into an innocuous statement anyway?”

    Because why this “dialogue” (to be generous) continues to repeat itself verbatim day after day (and often several times a day) has now become a very relevant meta topic within the forum.

    Someone rationalizing the repetition as due to the historic level of “controversy” the topic has generated is self-serving.

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    “this”

    This what?

    You don’t know what Tar is referring to, you don’t read that far down in my posts, remember?

  94. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Stuckey, what did you think of Warren and Hughes today?

  95. Bo knows March 12th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Well then

    This concludes my effort at rationale for the dropoff in velocity. The illumination apogee was brief. iow The light came on and went off. Pffft. Back to grope think.

  96. stuckey March 12th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    “I think is controversial because there are good arguments on both sides”

    I think there probably are.

    “He’s going to be great, I just know it and you just wait and see” isn’t one of them, and that is largely the foundation of much of the arguments I’ve seen here.

    “and unfortunately only time will tell if it was the right thing to do or not. that’s why it is circular, there is no way to settle this issue for good.”

    THIS I do agree with, which is EXACTLY why people are arguing any organic, genuine exchange on the matter perished weeks ago. This has been repetition for repetition sakes for some time.

  97. stuckey March 12th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    YM, didn’t get to see that game.

  98. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    Not repetition for repetition’s sake, but an organic genuine exchange for probably most of us. However, I would rather talk baseball.

  99. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    My name is YF, not YM. Freudian slip? ;)

  100. stuckey March 12th, 2012 at 12:34 am

    “Not repetition for repetition’s sake, but an organic genuine exchange for probably most of us.”

    Has there been anything new added to the dialogue lately?

  101. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    stuckey, have you added anything new to the dialogue lately?

    JF, did you see Warren pitch? His FB and changeup were good, his slider was in and out. His occasional CB was pretty bad.

  102. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Catching up on the performances now. Watched the games today on my phone and quality was butts. I’m checking out Hughes & warren now.

  103. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    70 mph curve Hughes why?

  104. Triple Short of a Cycle March 12th, 2012 at 12:59 am

    This velocity drop with Pineda is a huge red flag IMO. The fact that Cash and Girardi have been talking about it on numerous occasions tells you they are definitely concerned. Just look back to where he was last year compared to this year. People are fooling themselves on here if they think everything is fine.

  105. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Thought Hughes’ command was much better. Good to see him throwing changeups even when he was behind in the count. Didn’t throw them for strikes or get swings, but at least he was throwing them. He also faced a lot of lefties and did well against them.

    I liked the way Warren mixed up his pitches. He usually works very fast, and gets in a good rhythm. His breaking stuff can be fringy, but he did throw some nice sliders today. It is still an erratic pitch for him though.

  106. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Yeah, he is back to throwing the loopy curve, but he did throw some around 75-6 (better than 70). Hopefully, we see more power curves/low 80′s velo going forward.

  107. luis March 12th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Stuckey,

    Self serving?….When i speak of intelligent posters i don’t include myself as one of them.

    Exaggerating?….. Do you recall another trade that has generated so much fuss in this blog?..Oh yeah the 20 year thing, the blog didn’t exist right?….I’m willing to bet that if blogs existed decades ago i’m sure no other trade would have meant as much as this one, in a community like this one.

    The thing with you, is that you are always looking for the fifth leg of the cat….News flash, there isn’t a fifth leg, it’s only the tail!!.

    Oh i forgot,,, i wanted to be polite, but you said that this wasn’t the best blog…Then what are you doing here if we are so beneath you?….Remind me again who is self serving?. I do believe it, not because it makes me feel more important, but because i have the chance to exchange opinions with other people that share my love for the Yankees and probably know a little bit more that i do

    I always try to be respectful to other posters, especially when i don’t agree with them, because the truth is a very relative thing and they are as entitled to their opinions as i am.

    If you have followed the discussion, you know that there is more to “I know best, wait and see” arguments from both sides. That portrayal that you made is unfair.

    By the way, i don’t wait for the sporting world to validate my point of views either.

    Good night

  108. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    No, the huge red flag will be when Cashman bitterly complains that the Mariners abused Pineda after the conference call with Dr. Andrews. :neutral:

  109. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Hughes fastball atleast seems to be about where it was in 2010.

  110. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Yes, Hughes’ fastball was fine. Sat 91-93 and hit 94 once.

  111. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:08 am

    We’ll see how Pineda looks in the televised game on Thursday.

  112. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    Hughes fastball was really getting in on the hitters and he got a lot of ground outs, now THAT I’d like to see him carry into the regular season.

    But he really needs to get a better curve, though at this point I think its just out of his reach to throw one.

  113. Triple Short of a Cycle March 12th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    I hated the trade a great deal but of course I am rooting like hell for Pineda to reach number 2 status but the fact remains that Cash has only had 1 trade or free agent signing on the pitching side that has worked out and that was Mussina.

  114. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    “…the fact remains that Cash has only had 1 trade or free agent signing on the pitching side that has worked out and that was Mussina.”

    Just Mussina? Are you sure?

  115. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:15 am

    Yeah, Hughes pitched inside a lot and the DP on Valencia was nice. The curve needs to be better, but I am not giving up on it yet. Think he’ll improve on it.

  116. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Um, C.C.

  117. Triple Short of a Cycle March 12th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Oops how could I forget CC. Ok so he has brought 2 pitchers over that have worked out in over 10 years of being GM

  118. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Jerkface, when you said you thought a better curve was “just out of his reach…”, did you mean barely out of his reach, as in close and attainable, or simply out of his reach, as in far and unattainable?

  119. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Luis, You are infinitely polite, even more than some deserve. Buenas noches.

  120. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Nick, I think JF meant the latter. Doesn’t mean it is true though. Let’s let Phil get full arm strength first.

  121. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:27 am

    I will certainly let Phil get full arm strength before I do anything rash, but I’d like to get a better handle on Jerkface’s POV before I do whatever it is I do prior to the back stabbing.

  122. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2012 at 1:29 am

    Have at it, Nick. I am out of here. Have a good night.

  123. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Simply out of his reach, as in far and unattainable. He said last year he wanted to work on throwing his curve harder, but if anything its gotten slower. It needs to be more 77-81 and less 70-75. If I recall he went back to his non-spike grip, but the velocity has remained the same from when he was using the spike grip. His curve needs to elicit swings and swings & misses from hitters, which at its current speed/movement I just don’t see that happening.
    His fastball, when healthy, is so good that an average offspeed pitch should complement it enough, but in Hughes case the curve still ends up not getting expected results.

    He needs a pitch that is in the 16%-20% whiff rate range, and in 2010 his best pitch for whiff rate was his cutter @ 12%. The curve was only at 6%, and guys rarely offered at it.

    A slider or a splitter might be a better choice for him.

  124. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    Thanks, that’s what I was afraid you meant. Now you’d better watch your back. :twisted:

  125. Pat M. March 12th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    you have determined to go out and just take the Verena for a real 3 minute test drive with no holds barred,,,,,,run the beutify Buick Verrona throught the passes,,,,

  126. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Got through Warren’s innings, I liked how he mixed stuff up and attacked the zone with his FB but he definitely threw some janky offspeed stuff.

  127. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Et tu, Nick in SF?

  128. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:34 am

    This was the unkindest cut of all. :cry:

  129. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:35 am

    Last spring training he changed the grip on his cutter and was going to use it as a slider, like the one Nova developed, and I think he struck out a bunch of blue jays with the pitch in spring training.

    I wonder where that has gone. Nova’s has been a pretty big success.

  130. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:37 am

    My encyclopedic knowledge of Phil Hughes is of course, accurate.

    Phil Hughes had seven strikeouts tonight, and the way he remembers it, all but one came on a modified version of his cutter. Disappointed in the pitch this spring, Hughes tweaked his cutter grip and turned the pitch into more of a slider, something slightly slower and bigger.

    “It’s probably technically more slider now,” Hughes said. “But I’ll still call it a cutter because I don’t want to get in the mode of getting around it and lazy with it. If I just tell myself it’s a cutter, I’ll throw it with conviction.”

    Hughes threw a slider when he was younger, including his early years in the Yankees minor league system, but he eventually dumped the pitch and picked up the cutter. When the cutter disappointed him again last week, Hughes had Larry Rothschild work with him on finding a new cutter/slider grip. He tried a few slight modifications, found one he liked and used the pitched 25 to 30 times tonight. He threw it more than either his curveball or changeup.

    “It’s bigger so I assume it has to lose a little velocity to get that,” he said. “I don’t think it’s something that’s slow enough that they recognize it… I have to give it my fastball arm speed and not get lazy with it. If I do that, I don’t think it will fall in the same mode I was when I was 16 years old throwing my slider, because I didn’t really know what I was doing (back then).”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....is-cutter/

  131. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:41 am

    For me, everything Phil did with Larry Rothschild last year is tainted by Phil’s fatness, bad arm mojo, and general lingering odor of suck.

    So this year will surely be better. Or at least less fat.

  132. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    So this year will surely be better. Or at least less fat.

    Hughes was above average and at times dominant with a pretty bad curve. As long as he has the fastball, which appears to be back, the yankees could do much worse for a 5th starter. Like a fat phil hughes.

  133. Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 1:44 am

    When you stab phil hughes in the back, it is really hard to miss (because he is so fat you see)

  134. Nick in SF March 12th, 2012 at 1:47 am

    Not anymore. But it will still be hard for him to get away because he can’t stop tweeting.

    Joba, even easier.

  135. Cashmoney March 12th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImZTwYwCug

  136. GreenBeret7 March 12th, 2012 at 2:38 am

    An article study on injuries to the arms of adolescent pitchers.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03.....ms.html?hp

  137. PacoDooley March 12th, 2012 at 6:12 am

    Some morning predictions:

    1) Hughes will have a lower ERA and win more games this year than Pineda – both will be good.
    Hughes – 17-7 with a 3.85 ERA
    Pineda – 15-8 with a 4.05 ERA

    2) Banuelos will replace Kuroda in the rotation after this season and be a star pitcher in their rotation from then on, but Betances will hit a ceiling of being a sometimes good, sometimes mediocre middle reliever (I see him being a Graham Lloyd type of reliever).

    3) Nova will regress to being the #5 starter in this rotation

    4) Joba will return to dominance and be a reliable late innings guy. After this season I think Soriano will opt out and leave, Robertson will be the closer and Joba will become the lockdown late innings guy.

  138. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 6:36 am

    3) Nova will regress to being the #5 starter in this rotation

    i don’t see that happening unless the rotation is so good he’s bumped down to the five hole

    that wouldn’t be a bad thing

    the yankees would roll

  139. GreenBeret7 March 12th, 2012 at 6:44 am

    I predict that in the year 2134, people will forget that Jeus Montero was ever a Yankee. However, at least one person will communicate from the grave to whine about the trade.

  140. GreenBeret7 March 12th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    ***Jesus***

  141. PacoDooley March 12th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    3) Nova will regress to being the #5 starter in this rotation

    i don’t see that happening unless the rotation is so good he’s bumped down to the five hole

    that wouldn’t be a bad thing

    the yankees would roll
    ————————————————-

    I think he ends up as a back of the rotation guy both because he will regress a little bit and because the rest of the rotation will jump ahead of him in quality. I see the 2013 rotation as CC, Pineda, Hughes, Banuelos and Nova. If those 5 live up to their potential (CC excluded – he’s already lived up to it) then that starting 5 could be a top 3 or 4 rotation in all of baseball. If they are all playing well, Cain and Hamels will have one fewer bidder. (speaking of which, I think they are quite likely to pass on them to get under the cap in 2014, and then bid for Verlander that off season).

  142. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    “They have an obligation to protect these 12-year-old kids and instead, they’re saying, ‘There’s no scientific evidence curveballs cause damage, so go ahead, kids, just keep throwing them,’ ” Kremchek said. “It makes me sick to my stomach to watch the Little League World Series and see 12-year-olds throwing curve after curve”

    gb7-

    interesting article .

    i predict in obituary cashman’s obituary it will say ” HE TRADED JESUS MONTERO”

    kind of like ” MERCLE’S BONER DIES”

  143. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    ” I see the 2013 rotation as CC, Pineda, Hughes, Banuelos and Nova.”

    so you see pineda and hughes both having very good change ups.

    interesting.

  144. MaineYankee March 12th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    GreenBeret7 March 12th, 2012 at 6:44 am
    I predict that in the year 2134, people will forget that Jeus Montero was ever a Yankee. However, at least one person will communicate from the grave to whine about the trade.

    —————————————————————————-

    And randy will still be here stirring the pot. :D:

  145. PacoDooley March 12th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 7:17 am
    ” I see the 2013 rotation as CC, Pineda, Hughes, Banuelos and Nova.”

    so you see pineda and hughes both having very good change ups.

    interesting.
    ———————————-

    Pineda only needs a mediocre change up to be effective. His first two pitches are dominant enough that the change up only need to keep guys honest and keep people off balance.

    Hughes needs his cutter to work and he can use FB, CB, cutter and a mediocre change up to be a solid #3.

    But I think Pineda will have an effective change up (i.e., better than just mediocre) since he appears to have the natural talent and will to extend his repertoire, especially given his age. I think Hughes just needs to stay in top shape to be the player he was a few years ago, before injuries and lack of conditioning diminished his effectiveness.

  146. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    “And randy will still be here stirring the pot”

    just my luck that nurse karloff will have gb 7′s. pat m’s, and my head up on a shelf ,kind of like ted williams and we’ll be debating “PITCHING WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS”.

    gbt will be pissed because he ‘ll have no arms to shoot me with his blunderbuss.

    pat m will be happy because he has no knees that kill him and nurse karloff turns his head out doors when the pool girls come

  147. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    “Pineda only needs a mediocre change up to be effective”

    this is a pineda myth.

    i’ll just call it a PYTH for short.

    pineda already had a mediocre change up last year and he got hammered the second half of the year once hitters had the book on him.

    if hitters lay off the sliders that are out of the zone, pineda has problem. hitters will make that adjustment.

    there are a lot of PYTH’s.

    another is that he touches 97mph a lot.

  148. MaineYankee March 12th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    pat m will be happy because he has no knees that kill him and nurse karloff turns his head out doors when the pool girls come

    ———————————————————

    No, she’ll be his pool girl in a pink bikini.

    I also saw GB7 sell his blunderbuss on one of the pawn shows.

  149. MaineYankee March 12th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    randy

    if hitters lay off the sliders that are out of the zone, pineda has problem. hitters will make that adjustment.

    ————————————————————————————————

    You mean the way they did with Joba?

  150. blake March 12th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I think its possible that Banuelos is the Yankees best pitcher in 3-4 years ….now it may not happen …..but I think people undersell his upside…..lefties that throw 95 with twp plus secondary offerings are usually really good if they can command the ball….and that’s the if right now with Manny…..if his command comes around he’s going to be really good.

  151. blake March 12th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    For example…Gio Gonzalez throws 95 and has a great curveball…..walks the world and still puts up 3 ERAs…..

  152. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    “But I think Pineda will have an effective change up (i.e., better than just mediocre) since he appears to have the natural talent and will to extend his repertoire, especially given his age”

    given how much CC talked about working on his tow seamer and change up yesterday, why aren’t the yankees having pineda add a two seamer to his pitching arsenal ?

    you’d think the the arm side run on the two seamer and the arm side run that’s nice on a change up would kind of work together which might be why CC was working on them together.

  153. GreenBeret7 March 12th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    if hitters lay off the sliders that are out of the zone, pineda has problem. hitters will make that adjustment.

    ————————————————————————————————

    You can say that about any pitcher, though. If hitters lay off the pitches just off the plate, all pitchers, including Verlander, Kershaw, Lincecum, Strassburg and Hernandez will all become mediocre.

  154. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    “You can say that about any pitcher, though. If hitters lay off the pitches just off the plate, all pitchers, including Verlander, Kershaw, Lincecum, Strassburg and Hernandez will all become mediocre.”

    yes , wang had that problem too when his sinker was really sinking.

    the more pitches a pitcher has the harder it is to recognize a pitch.

    a hitter almost has to be guessing a pitch is coming to lay off a pitch that dives out of the zone.

    with two pitches a guess is just 50/50.

    with four pitches, it’s pretty hard to guess effectively.

    i would have pineda throw two kinds of fastball, the slider, and then the change if he can get at least an average one.

    if he can’t get at least an average change, they should try the splitter.

    if they can get a good change or splitter, then it’s off to be the closer with two plus pitches.

  155. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    gb7-

    you fall into your grits?

    i’d call 911, but i don’t want them to wake up killer with the sirens.

  156. MaineYankee March 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    randy

    if they can get a good change or splitter, then it’s off to be the closer with two plus pitches.

    —————————————————————————–

    Is that where A.J. should be?

    He’s earned alot of money being a two pitch pitcher.

  157. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Once again Montero dominates. The kid has motivation to succeed. Pineda is going to wallow in a world of self doubt as the hyper critical fans wear away at his Seattle thin skin. Montero has been raised in the lion’s den. He is going to make the NYY look like abject dopes for trading him. Pineda folded like a cheap camera in the second half of 2011. At best, he’s a number five pitcher and at worst he goes to the bullpen. AIMO.

  158. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “He’s earned alot of money being a two pitch pitcher.”

    actually he’s made a lot of money in the last few years.

    he hasn’t earned a lot of money in the last few years.

  159. randy l. March 12th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “At best, he’s a number five pitcher and at worst he goes to the bullpen. ”

    at best he’s an ace

    it’s one possible scenario.

    the debate is the over how high the percentage chance that he has of doing it.

  160. Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Morning folks, hope you all had a relaxing weekend..

    Random thought of the morning: I can’t handle Phil Mushnick. Ever.

  161. Benny Blanco March 12th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    “At best, he’s a number five pitcher and at worst he goes to the bullpen. AIMO.”

    And your rationale for this statement is based off a couple innings pitched two weeks into spring training? You are seriously looking for attention.

  162. GreenBeret7 March 12th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    at the age of 23, I figure that Pineda has at least another year before he’s washed up.

    He has time to learn a 4th pitch. The change-up needs some work, but, he’ll be fine, regardless of what Melky Cabrera’s stalker/boyfriend, aka the board idiot seems to think.

  163. blake March 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    These numbers are arbitrary….but if Pineda stays healthy I think his floor is a 3…..and his ceiling is definitely a 1….that’s why they made the trade…..he has a potential #1 arm and has shown #1 command. Whether he becomes one will likely be determined by health….the rounding out of his arsenal….and by just how smart a pitcher he becomes……

  164. MaineYankee March 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 8:48 am
    Morning folks, hope you all had a relaxing weekend..

    Random thought of the morning: I can’t handle Phil Mushnick. Ever.

    —————————————————————————–

    This is no place for random thought.

    It interrupts the flow of rational thought. :lol:

  165. RadioKev March 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Melkmanisinhotlanta March 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
    Once again Montero dominates. The kid has motivation to succeed. Pineda is going to wallow in a world of self doubt as the hyper critical fans wear away at his Seattle thin skin. Montero has been raised in the lion’s den. He is going to make the NYY look like abject dopes for trading him. Pineda folded like a cheap camera in the second half of 2011. At best, he’s a number five pitcher and at worst he goes to the bullpen. AIMO.
    ————-

    Do you think anyone takes you seriously?

  166. blake March 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    “And your rationale for this statement is based off a couple innings pitched two weeks into spring training?”

    Nah his rationale is that he’s trolling.

  167. Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    “Whether he becomes one will likely be determined by health….the rounding out of his arsenal….and by just how smart a pitcher he becomes……”

    Hoping CC helps him along with all of the above (aside from health I suppose..no Cap n’ Crunch for Michael).

  168. Tom in N.J. March 12th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    “I can’t handle Phil Mushnick. Ever.”

    True story.

    I was cleaning out my folks attic and in one of the boxes there was an old NY Post, which was used for cushioning. I flipped through it and read an article written by Michael Kay-he’s a better writer than broadcaster, but that’s neither her nor there.

    There was also a piece by Phil Mushnick. This paper was from the 80s, but it could have been written yesterday. Same tired anger, same pompous jerk, same rotten column. It made me irrationally pissed off. Not at what he wrote, but at the fact that he’s been doing the same thing for 25 years. Seriously.

  169. Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am

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