Pregame notes: Robertson ready to lose the boot
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 12, 2012 
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Dave Robertson was still wearing his walking boot when he walked into the Yankees clubhouse this afternoon, and he was still wearing it when he walked out to go meet with the training staff. In between, he had the boot off and stood in his bare feet while talking briefly with reporters.
“It feels much better,” he said. “I don’t have any of that soreness I was having in the middle of my foot. … I’m hoping to go play catch today. I don’t know what they’ll say.”
In this “they” is the Yankees training staff, which will decide today whether Robertson has the green light to remove the boot fulltime. The expectation is that Robertson will test his foot without the boot and the training staff will make a determination, but the plan has been to take the boot off today. How quickly he moves forward from here might depend on how much soreness he feels going through normal baseball activities.
“Hopefully something else doesn’t happen,” Robertson said. “Hoping to just keep moving forward with it.”
• Eduardo Nunez will not taking batting practice today, but he’ll take BP tomorrow and said he feels good enough that he’s finally expecting to play. Nunez said his hand keeps feeling better, and he expects to come through BP well enough to get in the game tomorrow night.
• Speaking of batting practice tomorrow, George Kontos will face live hitters tomorrow — he’ll throw to Corban Joseph and J.R. Murphy — which could be the final step to him getting in a game. He’s missed significant time with that oblique injury and is hoping to still make a run at that last spot in the big league bullpen.
• Brad Meyers, Matt Daley, Joba Chamberlain, Brett Marshall and David Phelps threw sides today. Graham Stoneburner, Kevin Whelan, Adam Warren, Michael Pineda and Phil Hughes are throwing sides tomorrow. Seems to me that Pineda should be throwing a side today and CC Sabathia should be throwing one tomorrow, but I haven’t seen anyone to ask about it so far. Joe Girardi isn’t talking to the media until closer to 5 p.m.
• The Nationals’ scheduled starter for Thursday’s game against the Yankees is Chien-Ming Wang.
• Still hoping to stay in the mix should a bench spot open up, Jayson Nix is getting some reps in left field during batting practice today. He’s hit pretty well but he’s also made some errors in the field this spring. For whatever it’s worth, Nix is a much bigger, stronger guy than you’re probably imagining. Doesn’t surprise me that he has some pop for a utility man.
• Another turn at third base for J.R. Murphy, who’ll play there off the bench tonight.
• Jimmy Paredes, who was part of the Lance Berkman trade, is in the lineup tonight for the Astros. I actually checked for Mark Melancon’s name on the travel roster before remembering he was traded to Boston this winter. File that under: Things I shouldn’t admit.
• Today’s available pitchers: Hiroki Kuroda, Rafael Soriano, Dellin Betances, Juan Cedeno, Cesar Cabral, Ryan Pope, Mike O’Connor, Chase Whitley and David Phelps
• Today’s second string: C Jose Gil, 1B Jorge Vazquez, 2B Corban Joseph, SS Ramiro Pena, 3B J.R. Murphy, LF Colin Curtis, CF Melky Mesa, RF Chris Dickerson, DH Justin Maxwell
UPDATE, 3:38 p.m.: The Astros are starting a former Braves prospect in center field, a former Mets prospect in left field, a former Yankees prospect at third base, a former Athletics/Cardinals prospect at first base, a former Cubs prospect at shortstop and former Red Sox prospect on the mound.
Jordan Schafer CF
Angel Sanchez 2B
Brian Bogusevic RF
Jack Cust DH
Fernandez Martinez LF
Jimmy Paredes 3B
Jason Castro C
Brett Wallace 1B
Marwin Gonzalez SS
RHP Kyle Weiland
somebody here oughtta get the boot when drobs thru with it…
somebody here oughtta get the boot when drobs thru with it…
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It’s quite funny. If Pineda averaged 94.7, there had to be a large number of pitches 97 and higher – by definition.
It was a lob. The funny thing was the rebuttlal was boom, boom.
Re print
Trisha, it is interesting that you mention because you never played someone can always say, ?it is obvious you never played.? I think playing gives perspective, I think catching or pitching gives an even different perspective (why many people think catchers make good managers as they need to see everything). However, there are some dynamite athletes that have no idea what it takes to win or how a team wins or understand the X and O part of the game. In fact, sometimes being part of the game is a hindrance. I think the entire SABR debate and Moneyball was and still is a great example of this. The old scout vs stats argument will continue on.
I was a guy who was drafted, but stayed in college for my senior year and broke a disc in my back (I was a catcher). I was probably a tweener in terms of physical talent; I had a slightly below average major league arm, but had an above average release and had great accuracy. My receiving skills were Posada like, but I blocked balls a little better than he did. I thought I called an excellent game as I was real student of the game. Offensively, I was one of the guys who hit like Wade Boggs, but at the major league level, I would have been more exposed and unless I made adjustments to my swing, i would have been a low average hitter with little power but who walked a lot (not very good overall). I do hold a division I record that will never be broken (I played an entire year without committing an error)?of course, it might be tied many times.
My point is that while there are tons of people who were better physically than I was and were able to hold up better, that does not make them understand the game from an X and O standpoint?or from a financial standpoint or a scouting standpoint and combining the two (value), one can bring a lot to the table.
Some people see the game differently than others; I have 5 TV?s in one room to watch the NFL games and I have a good feel for the NFL, but my feel for baseball is on a different level. If I weren?t a COO of a company, I would be in baseball. But, just because Brian Cashman didn?t play the game doesn?t mean he doesn?t know what he is doing; it is rare to find someone who has all legs of a chair, but if you have 3 of 4 you can do really well, especially if you can find others who are strong where you are weak.
Stick to your guns and your feelings Trish. that isn?t to say stick with them when data against is brought forward, but have your opinion and always search for the truth; it is much better than only trying to defend your opinion.
Peace.
Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Staticus – Did you cry last night watching Can’t-Act-Carl try to act? It was awesome.
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So much non-sense.
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Sorry Jerkface, just saw this. One thing everyone can agree on: If Daryl was a real person he’d have his own show on TLC/Discovery Channel called ‘Hillbilly Trackers’
Sorta hoping Daryl leaves this group of dumba$$es behind and we just get to follow him around.
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Jeers, I think quite a few of us were excited about the Pineda side of the trade but how many times can you say the same thing?
I’ve said I believe the guy is going to be a beast and might even end up second in the rotation before the year is out. I watched him pitch several times last season because Compass Rosy was so high on him. Seeing is believing.
I know I never played the game, but hopefully you can find some room in your heart to believe that I can figure things out by watching – such as when a batter goes in a complete circle trying to hit a ball that goes by him so fast that it breaks the speed of sound. I know that was probably a good pitch.
DavidWaldstein
Tweets from Ft. Myers say Ozzie Guillen ejected from the game vs. Boston and Bobby V waved goodbye to him.
Odds were good at least one of them had to make it about him.
pat,
He waved. Paused and then did it again because of course he was being ignored.
It was weird and awkward. Ya know. Bobby V.
Sorry Jerkface, just saw this. One thing everyone can agree on: If Daryl was a real person he’d have his own show on TLC/Discovery Channel called ‘Hillbilly Trackers’
Sorta hoping Daryl leaves this group of dumba$$es behind and we just get to follow him around.
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The ability for an 8 year old kid or whatever to just wander around unsupervised (with a gun!) is pretty amazing.
Genius Maker – Yowza. I actually got goosebumps reading your post.
I think it’s an honor to have your perspective on our forum. I really hope you stick around. There are definitely posters here who will be talking the game on your level, and others IMO who will greatly benefit from your perspective. I’ll be one of them. I especially like what you said at the end. I am pretty tenacious when it comes to holding to an opinion, but I will always back it up. I am unquestionably a big-picture person so tend not to get bogged down in microcosmic details or frozen in place by snapshots in time.
But in the final analysis, the search for the truth is the most noble enterprise of all.
Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Sorry Jerkface, just saw this. One thing everyone can agree on: If Daryl was a real person he’d have his own show on TLC/Discovery Channel called ‘Hillbilly Trackers’
Sorta hoping Daryl leaves this group of dumba$$es behind and we just get to follow him around.
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The ability for an 8 year old kid or whatever to just wander around unsupervised (with a gun!) is pretty amazing.
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they killed off the best character in Shance…i am piiiiised
*shane
blake March 12th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
“Ever stop to think that maybe Pineda, like Hughes in 2010 just ran out of gas?”
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GB,
Nobody mentioned Pineda….it was a comparison between Nova this spring and Hughes last spring……and the facts are that Hughes came in out of shape last spring (he’s admitted as much) and had lost 4-5 mph on his fastball…..those two may or may not be related…..but my point was that that isn’t the case with Nova this year.
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Earlier in the conversation, it was mentioned about Pineda’s tail-off last summer. I’m not concerned about his speed.
As far as Hughes goes, he didn’t report to camp, obese. He was 7-8 pounds over. He also said that he took it easy because he was dragging which would eliminate any weight lifting and any winter throwing. He had a 80-90+ innings increase over anything he had pitched in 4 years.
Too bad he didn’t stop at third. With nobody out good chance he would have made it home eventually.
Guys – Maybe I’ve gotten too old. Who would have a kid with or marry this thing “Snooki”? He looks like a normal Staten Island guy, but what am I missing here?
Like that.
That”s the kind of baseball (softball) I used to coach. Keep running until the ball stops rolling. Keep them throwing the ball around.
The Astros — yikes! Now there’s an example of how not to run a franchise.
What an absolute train wreck.
They are going to be fodder in the AL.
Jerkface – Yeah I sort of love how unsupervised that little sh*t is. Especially after we spent 6 episodes looking for a lost child!!!! GRRRRRRRRR! I thought this was an example of where the comics dealt with this situation a little better lol.. its more fun to kill someone while they’re not a zombie because its got all those moral ramifications and whatnot.
Loved the breakdown of Pineda’s pitches from the last thread as well.. very eye opening. So glad I have stat people here at my disposal lol.
Doc – Certainly one of the most interesting but I’m still firmly on team Daryl. I just wanna follow Daryl around the woods and learn more about flowers and hunting game.
….and if no one mentions the whole infection situation for another full season I will officially peace out of this show lol. At least Jerkface takes the right approach and watches this stuff drunk.
“Jerkface – Yeah I sort of love how unsupervised that little sh*t is. Especially after we spent 6 episodes looking for a lost child!!!! GRRRRRRRRR! ”
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Did you watch The Talking Dead? One of the viewers e-mailed the question “Does Carl have Harry Potter’s Cloak of Invisibility?”
I thought that was pretty funny
All things being equal I think Nix would be a better emergency guy than Hall. Also I think Nix is probably more likely to accept assignment to the minors than Hall would.
I’m also not sure if I missed something – but what’s the deal with Branyan? I don’t remember seeing him or hearing about him at all this spring.
m March 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Bobby V. doing the lame wave to Ozzie as he was ejected.
Hopefully the espn booth will ask him, “so what do they pay you to DO over there?”
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Getting the boot in a ST game, huh? I guess that’s what the Marlins signed up for.
I’m also not sure if I missed something – but what’s the deal with Branyan? I don’t remember seeing him or hearing about him at all this spring.
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Back trouble I think.
Ozzie vs. Bobby – two guys who think the fans came to see them and not the game.
Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I’m also not sure if I missed something – but what’s the deal with Branyan? I don’t remember seeing him or hearing about him at all this spring.
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Back trouble I think.
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Thanks.
where is laird?
UnKnown,
Ozzie was right. That wasn’t 1b ump’s call to make.
Can’t believe no one even reacted with shock when I picked the Nats to win the NL East.
Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Doc – Certainly one of the most interesting but I’m still firmly on team Daryl. I just wanna follow Daryl around the woods and learn more about flowers and hunting game.
….and if no one mentions the whole infection situation for another full season I will officially peace out of this show lol. At least Jerkface takes the right approach and watches this stuff drunk
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im guessin its what the scientist told rick at the end of season 1, something that everyone has been infected and once u die it sets in, unless ur death involves brain damage
Doc lac,
That’s what I think, too. I think he told Rick that the virus is airborne and that they’re all infected. I know it gets revealed in the season finale, so we won’t have to wonder much longer.
tomingeorgia March 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
UnKnown,
Ozzie was right. That wasn’t 1b ump’s call to make.
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Yeah I mean I didn’t see the play. I would like to see the replay later somewhere. Now Bobby V. is yelling about the strike zone.
I guess I typically don’t see managers getting too crazy in ST games. Even yesterday Gardenhire was able to contain himself on one of the worst calls at 2nd base I have seen in a long time.
http://joelefkowitz.com/pitche.....#038;d2=31
buchholz hits 97mph in 25 % of his starts when he’s healthy (2010)
pineda hits 97mph in 75% of his starts (2011)
buchholz 94.1 mph 2010
pineda 94.6 mph 2011
Horizontal Movement Vertical Movement pineda
FF 94.6 -4.44 7.01
Velocity Horizontal Movement Vertical Movement buchholz
94.1 -6.90 9.38
there is half a mile per hour difference between buchholz 2010 fastball and pineda’s 2011 fastball
looks like buchholz in 2010 had more movement on his fastball than pineda did in 2011
( unless i’m reading those numbers incorrectly)
tarheel
def
Can’t believe no one even reacted with shock when I picked the Nats to win the NL East.
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It could happen! The Phils will be vulnerable with Utley dying & Howard out. I was more taken aback with the Rizzo pick for ROY, since he would actually have to be good for that to happen
http://joelefkowitz.com/pitche.....pid=501381
pineda’s player card
player release graphs on both pitchers interesting
Ozzie had a tee time.
Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Can’t believe no one even reacted with shock when I picked the Nats to win the NL East.
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It could happen! The Phils will be vulnerable with Utley dying & Howard out. I was more taken aback with the Rizzo pick for ROY, since he would actually have to be good for that to happen
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I’ll go a step farther – I’ll take Yankees over Nats in the series.
Rizzo was a tough call – there are going to be so many good NL rookies including him, Tehern, Harper, Alonso (I’m sure I’m leaving someone out). I just think he’s going to thrive in Chicago. He’s going to be a fan favorite there.
Chip – Its a prediction that really isn’t that crazy if their pitching ends up dazzling. An injury or two on Philly could slow them down. I still think its unlikely anyone but Philly takes the division but I’d probably give the Nats a better shot than the Mets or Marlins.
Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Chip – Its a prediction that really isn’t that crazy if their pitching ends up dazzling. An injury or two on Philly could slow them down. I still think its unlikely anyone but Philly takes the division but I’d probably give the Nats a better shot than the Mets or Marlins.
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No love for Atlanta?
I think Washington is my pick for NL team I’m rooting for this year.
Shame,
Don’t count the Marlins out of the race, but the Nats’ tranformation makes me want to root for them. Besides, one of my daughters has season tickets in DC!
there is half a mile per hour difference between buchholz 2010 fastball and pineda’s 2011 fastball
looks like buchholz in 2010 had more movement on his fastball than pineda did in 2011
( unless i’m reading those numbers incorrectly)
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A half mile per hour difference on the average, but Pineda’s max velocity is higher and reached more frequently. Pineda’s fastball has more sink, 2 inches of vertical drop. The higher the vertical number the more likely the fastball is to suppress HRs. Phil Hughes & Jered Weaver both have vertical components over 10, and their rate of HRs compared with flyballs given up by the FB is less than average. Pineda’s will drop more than expected.
And of course Pineda’s fastball generates twice as many swings and misses than Buchholz.
Tarheel, thats amazing! That’s sort of how it feels too.. I mean.. how did he sneak up on Grimes like that in a field that we were led to believe was in the middle of nowhere (when its really like less than a city block away from the farm). I also love that Shane gave Can’t-Act the gun back… I didn’t have a problem with it cause he’s a kid with a gun, I have a problem with it because its Daryl’s gun and who the hell is Stupid Shane to give it away lol?!
Doc – Word on the street (in Variety) is that Shane wanted off the show after the original showrunner got fired but then tried to back track… too late.
People generally find whatever it is they are looking for.
Chip – Zero love for Atlanta. Not that they don’t have the horses to stay in the race I just don’t think they’ll be able to finish.
Doc – Word on the street (in Variety) is that Shane wanted off the show after the original showrunner got fired but then tried to back track… too late.
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i know he got on LA Noir…but i heard he was sadened to leave the walking dead
Doc – Word on the street (in Variety) is that Shane wanted off the show after the original showrunner got fired but then tried to back track… too late.
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He is already the lead in the old showrunners new pilot for TNT.
buchholz/ pineda change up
Horizontal Movement Vertical Movement buchholz 2010
CH 82.0 - 3.27 7.09
CH 86.3 - 7.98 4.20 pineda 2011
we know buchholz has a plus change so there may be something to look for in these stats
the vertical movement of buchholz stands out
the vertical movement of buchholz stands out
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Being a positive number, that means it drops 3 less inches than Pineda’s 4.20 (throw changes everyday) component. And moves 4 less inches horizontally than Pineda’s.
Chip – I didn’t see that or I would have been YESSSS!!!!!!!!ing from here to China!
Maybe you remember that the Nats are my heart and soul adopted team. I’ve loved watching the progress they’ve made. Of course it doesn’t hurt that they have Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper! But they’ve done a very nice job anyway.
Anthony Rizzo started off with a lot of promise, so much so that I drafted him on my fantasy team when he came up. Alas, I dropped him after not too long a time. Maybe his luck will change. Time will tell.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 12th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Chip – I didn’t see that or I would have been YESSSS!!!!!!!!ing from here to China!
Maybe you remember that the Nats are my heart and soul adopted team. I’ve loved watching the progress they’ve made. Of course it doesn’t hurt that they have Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper! But they’ve done a very nice job anyway.
Anthony Rizzo started off with a lot of promise, so much so that I drafted him on my fantasy team when he came up. Alas, I dropped him after not too long a time. Maybe his luck will change. Time will tell
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getting out of that park can’t hurt.
Jerkface March 12th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
the vertical movement of buchholz stands out
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Rising fastball!!
Rising fastball!!
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Fun fact: The vertical component being over 10 on a fastball means that the FB has the illusion of a rising fastball. As the fastball drops less than the brain expects it to. This causes hitters to swing just under it, resulting in more flyballs but less that go out of the park. The more you know!
why are there positive and negative numbers in vertical movement?
why wouldn’t it just be so many inches downward?
why are there positive and negative numbers in vertical movement?
why wouldn’t it just be so many inches downward?
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If you look in gameday it will tell you the REAL movement, which you’re looking for ie a curveball drops 11″, but the numbers you’re looking at now are how the REAL MOVEMENT™ is calculated. And these numbers are telling you differential movement, which is the difference in movement between a pitch with no spin and a pitch with spin. Fastballs have positive differential movement on the vertical axis because their spin helps counteract the force of gravity in conjunction with velocity such that they appear to be moving relatively straight vertically. Thus if you threw a pineda fastball without any spin, it’d be expected to drop 7 inches more at the plate because of gravity.
Shame Spencer March 12th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
“Tarheel, thats amazing! That’s sort of how it feels too.. I mean.. how did he sneak up on Grimes like that in a field that we were led to believe was in the middle of nowhere (when its really like less than a city block away from the farm). I also love that Shane gave Can’t-Act the gun back… I didn’t have a problem with it cause he’s a kid with a gun, I have a problem with it because its Daryl’s gun and who the hell is Stupid Shane to give it away lol?!”
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Shame, I’m a big fan of the show (as you know), and I’ve been willing to give them a pass on a few things as a result (I’m not the purist that you seem to be).
However, I had some same reactions as you. Why hasn’t anyone told Daryl that Carl took his gun? And shouldn’t Daryl be consulted before it’s given to Carl??
Also, when Carl popped up in the field, I was so on edge after the big scene between Rick & Shane, I was actually startled. Where did he come from?? And then I thought, “WTF?? They’re in the front yard???” I thought they’d walked miles away looking for Randall!
Anyway. There’s lots more to say, but I don’t want to hijack the comments board any more than I already have. I’ll have to get my geek on somewhere else.
More on topic…I’m so excited about this upcoming baseball season, that I can hardly stand it. I have my ticket for Opening Day, and my request for the day off has been approved. Bring it!
“Fastballs have positive differential movement on the vertical axis because their spin helps counteract the force of gravity in conjunction with velocity such that they appear to be moving relatively straight vertically. Thus if you threw a pineda fastball without any spin, it’d be expected to drop 7 inches more at the plate because of gravity.”
This infernally insistent Montero-Pineda debate now requires a compulsory physics class.
Jerkface, Shame, and Doc lac:
Just one more TWD item, and then I’ll stop…
Jon Bernthal (Shane) is going to be on Letterman tonight. FYI.
That is all.
http://joelefkowitz.com/articles.php?aid=2
Horizontal vs Vertical Movement
Displays all pitches thrown by a pitcher, with the x-axis representing the horizontal break (the “pfx_x” value) a pitch has and the y-axis representing vertical break (“pfx_z”)
wave your hat-
see, it’s not complicated at all.
“This infernally insistent Montero-Pineda debate now requires a compulsory physics class.”
One can only hope this Montero-Pineda debate will end soon.
But, I find it quite amusing that an old time BP catcher, that lacks first hand knowledge of either player, can make definitive comments as to why one player will be a generational hitter, and the other an average pitcher, because he lacks a third pitch.
I can only guess what would have been said by this great blogger had he been commenting on those great pitchers in baseball history that became HOF players, relying on basically just 2 pitches. They must have just been lucky I guess.
blake -
How is it possible a non NC NCAA team did not win the ACC? Is FSU that good?
I think Randy just started reading Fangraphs because he heard Cashman did
Al,
FsU is pretty good….they are real good when they shoot well. Unc played without Henson…..or they may have won.
blake -
If Randy did/is reading FanGraphs, then he should realize his comments concerning Pineda are off base.
Pineda has the tools to be a great SP, and at least he can field his position, lol.
Cespedes vs Montero, who do you think will have a better offensive year?
blake -
It seems both Duke & NC were hit with un-timely injuries, but, thats part of every teams game, and others have to step up. Let’s see what happens going forward.
Cespedes vs Montero, who do you think will have a better offensive year?”
Montero…easily
Cashmoney March 12th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Cespedes vs Montero, who do you think will have a better offensive year?
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Isn’t Montero already on the HOF ballot? Thought he was Mantle, Ruth and Pujols all in one.
If Montero is going to catch for the M’s they need to move the backstop up, so it’s about 5′ behind him.
Cespedes vs Montero, who do you think will have a better offensive year?
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Montero.
blake, gimme a ballpark figure what you think Montero will do this year if you care..
“blake, gimme a ballpark figure what you think Montero will do this year if you care”
If he plays every day….. .285 25 homers, 85 RBI…..
Montero -2012
BA .350, OBP .450, SLG .510, OPS 1.125
There, that should bring a smile to a couple of faces.
If he plays every day….. .285 25 homers, 85 RBI…..
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A slugging heavy ~.880 OPS 30ish HRs .290-.300 average. 100 RBIs if he gets a normal amount of chances.
Cespedes will be in the 700 OPS range, close to .800, SLG heavy on fastballs.
If he plays every day….. .285 25 homers, 85 RBI…..
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I was thinking similar numbers …maybe a bit lower average.
I could see Cespedes having a Juan Uribe 2010 type season. 20ish HRs, but a low average and OBP, but he will be valuable thanks to his defense.
Good news on David Robertson.
eboland11 Erik Boland
Robertson said he played catch today and felt “no pain” in his right foot. Good sign
Sorry – Just can’t take this any longer. Later y’all.
JF, physique and batting stance wise he remind me a bit of Angel Berroa. I have yet to see his approach on off speed offerings.. but he can hit a decent fastball.
Trisha, I don’t know about goose bumps, but I thank you for your comments!
2012 Dustin Pedroia, 2006
Dustin Pedroia, 2006