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Lineup looking pretty regular in Dunedin

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 14, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Nick Swisher RF
Eric Chavez 3B
Francisco Cervelli C

 
 

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46 Responses to “Lineup looking pretty regular in Dunedin”

  1. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Cuts will be coming this weekend. Any ideas which pitchers will be sent down to allow the starters to get in their increasing innings?

  2. MTU March 14th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    YT-

    Like Rod Stewart said, “The first cut is the weakest.”

    :)

  3. Ys Guy March 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    i wonder if they’ll keep george kontos up so he can get in an appearance or if he’ll be sent out without throwing a pitch. .. i expect them to keep dellin and manny for another go-round before they go out. they can’t keep too many, the minor league camp needs alot of players to get going, too.

  4. Howe Farr March 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Actually, Cat Stevens said “the first cut is the deepest…”

  5. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Great discussion on the AAA pitchers in the last thread.. got to catch the game last night and was very excited by what I saw from Phelps.

    If one of Warren/Phelps/Mitchell turns into a solid big league starter (I’m thinking a #3), its really gonna change the way that Pineda deal looks.

  6. randy l. March 14th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    “Yup….there is a chance….but it depends on how you evaluate it. ”

    blake-

    i think one thing noesi has going for him is he’s having had to fight for every step of the way in getting to the majors. it’s the same thing that nova had to do. nova by the way really has his head on straight about competing. it’s second nature to him now.

    i think pineda’s challenge is going into the heat of the battle in new york without having much preparation for it. he may ace the challenge and blow right through it. but i think tipping points are gong to be the thing to watch with him.

    i think the better it goes or the worse it goes will push him in that direction. where as a guy like nova will stay more even keel and take things one day at a time. nova has had to deal with uncertainty hs whole career.

    uncertainty is a strage animal in baseball . not everyone can handle it.i think handling uncertainty is one of the qualities of being a “real yankee”.

    i remember when i had snuck into the bullpen catching job under clete boyer when i totally sucked by mlb standards. i was literally day to day as the gm told me” the first real catcher who shows up you’re gone”. that’s uncertainty.

    i watched guys who had a lot of mlb experience wilt under clete hang in the wind during tryouts that lasted 6 weeks. whenever one would crack , he was gone. i thought clete was being kind of mean in never telling anyone where they were at.

    but over time i realized that was the old yankee way. if a player had to know where he stood, he wasn’t strong enough to be a yankee in clete’s eyes. i saw guys go into his office to see where they stood and saw him cut them the next day.

    nova didn’t blink when they sent him down in the middle of last year. he would have been clete’s kind of player. this thing about handling uncertainty is a big deal when a player is a yankee.

    players who don’t handle uncertainty well tend to make bad things happen. in other words they choke. it will be interesting to see if pineda has the ability to handle uncertainty. he did rise to the occasion when he was fast forwarded to the majors last summer so the potential is there.

    hanging out with nova won’t hurt.

  7. The Genius Maker March 14th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    I could see Alex doing better and Tex as well, but I do not see Jeter. While his 2nd half was better, something will slow him down and it may just be normal age. His numbers show that he really should not be starting, let alone leading off against righties. His .700 OPS against righties belongs at the bottom of the lineup against righties. I said this prior to last year, but the sooner the Yanks understand this, the better off the team will be. I would much rather someone else get that extra AB every game.

    Jeter should leadoff against lefties; his platoon splits have been very large for the last 3 years (a .230 point difference in OPS)

    Honestly, one could make a good argument that along with his subpar defense, he should not even play against righties; but I know that is heresy. We better hope Nunez shows more both offensively and defensively this year.

  8. randy l. March 14th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    “If one of Warren/Phelps/Mitchell turns into a solid big league starter (I’m thinking a #3), its really gonna change the way that Pineda deal looks.”

    how so?

  9. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    And by ‘change the way it looks’ I don’t mean in a positive or negative way… that will always likely be determined by how we each perceived the trade.

  10. The Genius Maker March 14th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Nova has never gotten enough credit for the movement on his pitches. His stuff is better than people have said for awhile. He is a tough AB for a better because he comes from a tough angle, he has a big frame and has a lot of movement on pitches with different speeds. This is why he is on average a tough guy to center.

  11. randy l. March 14th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    “His numbers show that he really should not be starting, let alone leading off against righties. His .700 OPS against righties belongs at the bottom of the lineup against righties”

    may i introduce you to jerkface?

    he’ll be able to talk with you about this as soon as he gets out of high school at around 2:30.

  12. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    randy – Well, for someone that was a supporter of the trade, if we see a rotation that has Pineda, Phelps, Nova, and Hughes in it, they’ll be saying ‘See! This is what the plan was all along!’

    For someone that was against the trade, they’d probably say ‘See! We could’ve had 3/5th of the rotation still be young and cost controlled without Pineda and at the same time kept Montero!’

  13. CompassRosy March 14th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    MTU says:
    March 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    “Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, Betances, and Banuelos.
    Pretty damn nice AAA rotation.
    How many teams can match that talent at AAA ?
    Answer :
    Very few.”

    ~

    MTU ~

    I can think of one ;)
    http://tinyurl.com/6ualnuq

    Although Walker will likely start in AA and at least one of Paxton, Hultzen, Ramirez will be heading north on I-5 prior to September.

  14. Ys Guy March 14th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    “Actually, Cat Stevens said “the first cut is the deepest…”
    ==========================
    …must’ve been talking about salmon rushdie at the time…

  15. The Genius Maker March 14th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Are you saying Jerkface believes that too? Then he is a smart individual. BTW, Jeter is one of my favorite Yankees and is 99% class – his only downfall was getting on the Yanks for only giving him 15 mil a year when his talent is at the 7 mil level…I just call them as I see them

  16. Howe Farr March 14th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    ?must?ve been talking about salmon rushdie at the time?

    =========================================

    ahh, stereotypes!

  17. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    How many teams can match that talent at AAA ?

    ———————–

    “The Red Sox!!” – This is Peter Gammons.

  18. Rich in NJ March 14th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Jeter is a better bet to remain on the field than A-Rod, and at their respective ages, that is not insignificant.

  19. MTU March 14th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Farr-

    Thank you for correcting my error.

    Rosy-

    The M’s must have some good pitching depth if they were able to move Pineda and Campos.

    You really helped your O getting Jesus.

    :)

  20. Irreverent Discourse March 14th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    I think Seattle needs 3 or 4 more hitters before they can call it an “offense”. :)

  21. blake March 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “Honestly, one could make a good argument that along with his subpar defense, he should not even play against righties;”

    You coukd make an argument…..just not a good one considering the alternatives.

    Randy,

    I think there is.some merit to the things you said in the last thread….we just have to see how it plays out. I do think for a guy that’s fought his way to the big leagues in NY….when they then go to Seattle it must seem “easier”.

  22. randy l. March 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “Are you saying Jerkface believes that too? Then he is a smart individual.”

    you’re new here i see.

    yes jerkface was all over jeter all last spring.

    he kind of let up as the summer went on for some reason.

    he’ll be even smarter later today after he learns whatever they’re teaching him in school today.

  23. blake March 14th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Jeter is and always has been a better defender than he’s given credit for…..

  24. randy l. March 14th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    “For someone that was against the trade, they’d probably say ‘See! We could’ve had 3/5th of the rotation still be young and cost controlled without Pineda and at the same time kept Montero!’”

    i’m already thinking that.

  25. CompassRosy March 14th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    “i think one thing noesi has going for him is he’s having had to fight for every step of the way in getting to the majors”

    ~

    Blake ~

    So far this spring, that fight is going pretty well. Hector gave up his first earned run of the spring in his start yesterday (a solo shot on a change up – which, along with his slider was one of the pitches he was working on). He went 3 full innings that included one of the 1-2-3 variety and a pick-off (apparently, his first ever). He is slated to throw 80 pitches in his next outing.

    M’s leave for Toyko in EIGHT days.

  26. randy l. March 14th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    “M’s leave for Toyko in EIGHT days.”

    montero godzilla clash inevitable.

  27. MTU March 14th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Rosy-

    If you guys start scoring some runs Noesi could win you all a lot of games.

    Season approaching fast.

    :)

  28. blake March 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Compass,

    You guys got two good ones….no doubt about it. I hope we did too.

  29. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I don’t think the Mariners will be competitive for another 4 seasons, at least.

    Perspective: That’s not nearly as bad as my prediction for the Orioles.

  30. Irreverent Discourse March 14th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Am I reading the last thread correctly… now Pineda is “only as good as Noesi”? What?!?

    Really, believing anything randy says about Pineda at this point is just doing yourself a disservice. It’s gotten ridiculous, and more-so every day it seems…

  31. blake March 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    The Mariners at least have hope now…..they have something to build on.

  32. CompassRosy March 14th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    March 14, 2012 at 9:24 am
    I think Seattle needs 3 or 4 more hitters before they can call it an “offense”.

    ~

    I think there will be a few eye brows raised once the games start for real. Not to say they are headed for contention this season but, I will be surprised if the O isn’t markedly improved. Granted, that’s not saying much given the recent suckage but, they are definitely headed in the right direction with young, hungry, well conditioned and confident talent.

  33. Irreverent Discourse March 14th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    compassrosy – Between Ackley and Montero they have a good start for sure, but until they stop pretending Gutierrez can contribute they’ll be an offense with a rusted, square wheel… :)

  34. MTU March 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Rosy-

    You might be absolutely correct about the improvement. For your sake I hope so.

    I think you’d have to admit that you guys are not ready to take on the Halos or the Rangers just yet.

    ;)

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Got all my tickets last night for the Scranton games at McCoy. I was surprised to see how few good seats were left for those games, and I’m talking the seats in the Yankee section. I have a friend where I used to work who used to get me front-row seats but I didn’t want to wait so I got what I could. However I emailed him this morning and if he can get me better seats for all of those games, I’m going to try to switch these off. I might be stuck with them, according to the PawSux website, so I might have tickets to give away for people who want to take a trip to Rhody! Will let you know more when I know. (I bought either 2 or 3 tickets for each game).

    Read a GREAT article yesterday about something called emWave and how it’s being used to prevent players from choking in key moments. I’d love to have a discussion about it here but you definitely have to be able to think out of the box and also to have come to the realization that players are men and not machines. There are definitely fans who have the “just do it” mentality and don’t allow for humanness in situations. But you’re being left in the dust because this kind of stuff has been proven to effect/improve performance.

  36. blake March 14th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    “Am I reading the last thread correctly… now Pineda is “only as good as Noesi”? What?!?”

    No….but inwoukdnt be shocked if he had a comparable season in 2012 ERA wise.

  37. blake March 14th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    One thing the Mariners have is tons of pitching coming…..my question is can they compete in that division for Felix becomes a FA? Im not sure on that one……I think they are probably 3-4 years away from being good enough to win that division and that’s assuming their prospects pan out and also assumes some decline by the Angels and Rangers which may not happen…….

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    “For someone that was against the trade, they’d probably say ‘See! We could’ve had 3/5th of the rotation still be young and cost controlled without Pineda and at the same time kept Montero!’”

    Yeah, and gone down in flames because the pitching would have been subpar. The same people whining about the trade are the ones who bleat about bringing pitchers up too quickly. You can’t have it both ways.

    The sweetest thing, of course, would have been if the Yankees had a position for Montero. Since he had been mentioned in trades before, apparently they had been thinking that he was an extra piece for a while. Alas.

  39. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    New Post :arrow:

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “Am I reading the last thread correctly… now Pineda is “only as good as Noesi”? What?!?

    Really, believing anything randy says about Pineda at this point is just doing yourself a disservice. It’s gotten ridiculous, and more-so every day it seems…”

    ID, of course you are right but as long as there’s a small core here (probably trade haters) willing to indulge the continued illogic, he’ll go on.

    But then again, anyone willing to look at a situation out of the Bronx and call it a would-have-been Bronx success has a very circumscribed horizon to begin with.

  41. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    “For someone that was against the trade, they’d probably say ‘See! We could’ve had 3/5th of the rotation still be young and cost controlled without Pineda and at the same time kept Montero!’”

    Yeah, and gone down in flames because the pitching would have been subpar.

    ——————————–

    trisha – My statements were made in the context of what would occur if Phelps/Warren/Mitchell became a solid MLB starter. The rotation could theoretically have been CC, Nova, Hughes, Phelps/Warren/Mitchell, + someone else.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Shame – apologize. I read from the bottom up when I post sometimes. Not surprising since I tend to hit and run sometimes. Remember, I thought it was your birthday the other day!

    :)

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Also, I don’t think Montero was staying no matter what. I’m thinking that more and more these days, that the handwriting was on the wall. The Yankees weren’t going to give him a starting catching position, and judging from what they did with DH, they certainly weren’t going to tie that position up. They never have.

    I think Montero was seen as an extra piece with nowhere to put him.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    And of course the unknown is what kills you. Remember IPK/Joba/Hughes. Those seemed like guarantees and if the Yankees slotted around all of them as sure bets, well I think you see where that’s going. I think they’ve learned a lot from past mistakes – at least I’m hoping so.

  45. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    I understand, trisha.. I’m just saying that how those three develop will really color that trade for a lot of people. Of course, it all depends on one’s prior perspective, but it should certainly be interesting if one of Phelps/Warren/Mitchell end up as a solid #3.

    I’d like for Pineda to develop into a #1 so we don’t need to split hairs over it :D

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Shame – take it to the bank. The guy will be a number 1!

    :)


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