Spring training Game 14: Yankees at Nationals
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 15, 2012 
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YANKEES (5-8)
Brett Gardner LF
Russell Martin C
Andruw Jones DH
Chris Dickerson RF
Bill Hall 3B
Dewayne Wise CF
Jayson Nix 2B
Jorge Vazquez 1B
Ramiro Pena SS
RHP Michael Pineda
NATIONALS (5-5)
Roger Bernadina LF
Danny Espinosa 2B
Ryan Zimmerman 3B
Chad Tracy 1B
Adam LaRoche DH
Jayson Werth CF
Bryce Harper RF
Steve Lombardozzi SS
Jhonatan Solano C
RHP Chien-Ming Wang
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., MLB Network
WEATHER: Drove all the way from Tampa, it was basically the exact same weather the whole way. Sunny. Temperatures in the 70s and 80s. It’s Florida in mid-March.
UMPIRES: HP Paul Nauert, 1B Jerry Meals, 2B Laz Diaz, 3B Eric Loveless
TOOK A WHILE BUT…: Nothing like showing up at the stadium in the top of the second. It’s still scoreless after the Yankees stranded the bases loaded in the second. Jorge Vazquez was hit by a pitch — clearly Chien-Ming Wang showing how upset he is that the Yankees didn’t bring him back — and now Michael Pineda is out for the bottom of the inning.
UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang just stumbled while covering first base. He did an awkward roll over the bag and was removed from the game. Russell Martin was called out on the play, though it seemed clear that Wang never touched either Martin or the bag.
UPDATE, 1:55 p.m.: Two out walk and stolen base by Jones, now an infield single for Dickerson. Runners at the corners for Bill Hall.
UPDATE, 1:56 p.m.: Two-run double off the right-field wall for Hall. It’s a 2-0 Yankees lead in the top of the third.
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Double into the corner with a runner at first base … It was the flip play all over again, and Pena was in position, but he didn’t have to cut off the throw. The runner scored anyway and it’s a 2-1 Yankees lead. Back-to-back hits off Pineda this inning.
UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Pineda strands a runner in the third and it’s still 2-1 Yankees heading into the fourth. Pineda should have one more inning. No radar here at the stadium. If you’re watching on MLB Network you might know more about Pineda’s velocity than anyone here in the press box.
UPDATE, 2:17 p.m.: Ramiro Pena being helped off the field after sliding into second base on a stolen base attempt. He seemed to hit the bag awkwardly. Looked like he might have twisted his ankle, but it just happened and I don’t have replay. I’ll obviously update later. Have to think Pena would be in the mix for a roster spot if Eduardo Nunez’s bruised hand is worse than expected.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Rapada let the Nationals load the bases in the fifth, but he intentionally walked Zimmerman to face the lefty Chad Tracy and got Tracy to ground out to end the inning. It’s a 2-2 game heading into the sixth.
UPDATE, 3:04 p.m.: Almonte had real trouble playing the ball off the ball in right field, and the Nationals have runners at second and third with no outs in the sixth inning. A run should have scored on the play. Bad base running has the game still tied for the moment.
UPDATE, 3:16 p.m.: Sac fly has the Nationals in the lead 3-2 heading into the seventh. Still no word on Ramiro Pena. Jayson Nix just led off the inning with a single.
UPDATE, 3:20 p.m.: Jose Gil is really having a great camp. He just singled in the tying run, took second on the throw home and now Doug Bernier is up with no outs and a chance to put the Yankees in the lead. Gil really has almost no prospect status, but he’s hit really well these past few weeks.
Me umpire. Very strong. ( grunt,grunt)
This is an emphatic post…
I take it composing blog posts while driving is not illegal in Florida…
YankeesWFAN
Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today. Nats TV analyst FP Santangelo told me their radar gun has been off, so don’t go crazy at the #
Me umpire. Very strong. ( grunt,grunt)
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LOL LOL
Where did that CMW curveball come from?
I was asked to slow dance with a beautiful Southern Belle last night, 21, sweet and CUTE!
Eat your heart out NYC
YESSSS!!!!!
OK, I’ll count through Noesi’s game results – hell, why not?
Six of the wins we he pitched in were won by 5 or more Runs. Nine of the wins he pitched in were won by less than 5 Runs.
Six of the losses he pitched in were lost by 5 or more Runs. Nine of the losses he pitched in were lost by less than 5 Runs.
18 decisions were within 5 R, 12 were over 5 R. That doesn’t factor what innings he pitched, or when the runs were scored. However, until y’all do that work, I’ll continue to say he wasn’t just low leverage
YYYYYYYYESSSSSS!!!!!!!
His average leverage index is .82. 1 is average. Below 1 is ‘low pressure’ above 1 is high pressure.
He made 28 relief appearances. Here is when he entered the game
Tied: 3
Within 1: 6 (half trailing)
Within 2: 3 (2 trailing)
Within 3: 3 (all trailing)
Within 4: 2
Within 5: 5
Greater than 5: 6
All the games he entered when it was tied were extra innings relief appearances. He was the last option in the pen, which isn’t very good.
Pineda’s slider can get lefties out.
Naaasty!
What’s the average average leverage index for a long man?
The nature of a long man tends to be low leverage.
For the ties: He was the long man, being the last option in a tied game isn’t surprising. That’s just the general strategy.
If we’ll call within 4 a winnable game for the Yankees (arbitrary?), he pitched in 17 winnable games.
Strong first inning for Strong Pineda
Pineda is the dynamite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a straight up HATER!
And I have a date with a hot fireball pharmacist this weekend with a thick Southern accent. 97 pounds of hotnessssssssss!!!!!!
YESS
YES
YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!
I don’t care if he had a nice inning….did he throw fast?
“I don’t care if he had a nice inning….did he throw fast?”
I’d like to believe you’re kidding Blake…
What’s the average average leverage index for a long man?
The nature of a long man tends to be low leverage.
For the ties: He was the long man, being the last option in a tied game isn’t surprising. That’s just the general strategy.
If we’ll call within 4 a winnable game for the Yankees (arbitrary?), he pitched in 17 winnable games.
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Right, but the leverage index is questioning his use as an ‘aceves type’ reliever, which isn’t true. Aceves average LI in 2009 was over 1. Being a long man means lots of low leverage situations, but the Yankees managed to combine low leverage situations with few innings AND he pitched a ton of 1 inning outings. Only 11 of his 28 relief appearances were for more than 1 inning.
If he made 28 appearances over like 2 months and pitched 56 innings cool while pitching 3 months in the minors as a starter getting another 100 innings there that’d be cool. But he pitched 80 innings total over the entire season AND the Yankees wasted a year of service time.
You’ll screw that one up too, Bret…just like the others that you bragged about. Perhaps it was part of her sorority requirements…go out and find a immature clown and have a pity dance with him.
Maybe it’s better there aren’t many regulars at this game…
Cool leverage index stuff:
Mariano Rivera has pitched with an aLI of over 2 the last 2 seasons. Robertson went from 1.2 to 1.6 last year, which makes sense given his break out and how Girardi started using him. Boone Logan somehow got 1.2 aLI, and I think many LOOGYs might fall into this trap just because of how they are used, so they better be good.
Soriano pitched in nearly as high an aLI as robertson, so hopefully he is more effective this year.
Joba’s career aLI is over 1.
I will screw…that’s for sure.
Pulled her to me by her belt straps while we danced!!!
WOOOOOOHHHHH
Eat your heart out GB!!!!
MTU March 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am
::::Rosy-
I think you are underestimating Noesi a bit.
He is very good.
In that large park of yours he might be even better.
Think you might be in a for a pleasant surprise.
He’s used to pitching against much tougher competition too.::::
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MTU ~
I don’t know that my projection is underestimating Noesi as much as (possibly) overestimating the M’s current mL big four
As for the “tougher competition” – we shall see.
Following is a list of the AL opponents Noesi faced last season and the number of appearances vs. each (keep in mind, with the exception of the Rays, these were relief appearances of three innings or less)…
BAL 6
BOS 2
TBR 3
TOR 3
CWS 1
KCR 1
MIN 1
LAA 1
OAK 3
TEX 1
SEA 2
This season, as a starter, he’ll be facing teams for (hopefully) 5-7 innings at a time. He’ll likely face TEX and LAA about three times each and could potentially face BOS, TOR, TBR and/or NYY two or three times each, depending on how the rotation falls).
IOW- I don’t think the competition will be any easier – quite the reverse in fact.
That said… you go, Hector!
Horrible change up by Wang, but he was facing Ramiro Pena so it worked.
I’m rooting for CMW, and always will. Loved him as a Yank, and it’s great to see him healthy and dealing again.
This thread is getting pretty weird.
:::Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today.::::
Interesting that they mention scheduled “innings” as opposed to “pitch count”…
Does that mean, for example, he’ll be out after 4IP even if he’s only thrown 40 pitches?
Or, he’ll have to labor through 4 even if after 3IP he’s already thrown 55?
pineda didn’t look bad at all. fastballs in all 4 quadrants. breaking balls that were strikes.
the fastball that werth couldn’t catch up to was pretty impressive
Baseball Mogul March 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm e
I take it composing blog posts while driving is not illegal in Florida…
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Had some of it setup before I left Tampa. Just made it go live on my phone as I pulled into stadium traffic. I pretty sure it was legal(ish).
Does that mean, for example, he’ll be out after 4IP even if he’s only thrown 40 pitches?
Or, he’ll have to labor through 4 even if after 3IP he’s already thrown 55?
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The Yankees generally go by “IP or a set amount” If they reach the innings limit they finish the pitch count in the bullpen.
chad,
thanks for the great work.
any great pranks in camp this year? also, if there were, could you tell us about them?
:::The Yankees generally go by “IP or a set amount” If they reach the innings limit they finish the pitch count in the bullpen.:::
Interesting. Thanks, JF.
It’s my understanding that the M’s go by a set amount of pitches, in the actual game.
(e.g., Hector is scheduled to throw 80 pitches his next start)
Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
This thread is getting pretty weird.
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Yes. Yes it is.
Good battle by Pena there.
Read through the threads. Some people said the night of the trade that it’s too early to evaluate the trade and you can’t make predictions. Two months of mental mast*rbation to reach the same conclusion. SMH
Brett,
LoHud frat blog is that way.
!
I thought Chad had girls that could do all his blog posting for him…
The mystery of Chad’s Girls lives on!
Stuckey,
Im going to hold.my breathe until he hits 99 on the gun!
Am I the only one picturing Brett dancing with Rue McClanahan?
Am I the only one picturing Brett dancing with Rue McClanahan?
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I’m wondering in what fantasy land does slow dancing southern belles still exist? Either way, its weird to post about it to a blog of people that don’t give a hoot.
Deja vu all over again, keep Wang away from any base, please.
looks like cmw hurt himself again there. ouch.
that guy just has bad luck
J F, what’s Gardner’s avg. when leading off ? ( career )
I seem to remember it’s not very good. Don’t you think he takes too many good pitches ?
He did get the bag. But who else gasped on that putout?
I hope CMW’s alright. That guy just has bad luck running anywhere.
m,
Just gasped again on the replay.
OMG!!! NOT AGAIN!!!
now i know why neil allen wants chien ming to take short steps.
the man’s a danger to himself when he ‘s on the move.
How has Pineda looked? I started watching during the Werth at-bat… he looked like he has some life in his fastball, so not sure about all these velocity questions.
Some speed on the base paths!
“And I have a date with a hot fireball pharmacist this weekend with a thick Southern accent. 97 pounds of hotnessssssssss!!!!!!
YESS
YES
YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!”
brett-
have you gotten to the point in your classes where you’re experimenting with herbs?
maybe you might want to cut back a little
I blame Cashman for Wang landing on the bag incorrectly. If his Yankee coaches had taught him to levitate like they should have, none of this ever would have happened!
Randy,
Time of my life!!!
just got to some free wi fi in freeport
how’s pineda throwing?
how’s the change ups?
who gives a crap about his fastball?
it’s not that fast anyway.
not verlander fast anyway.
Jerkface,
U mad bro?
I’ve always really liked Dickerson since he became a Yankee. He’s definitely a legit MLB outfielder.
“Randy,
Time of my life!!!”
brett-
that’s what gb7 said when he first met nurse karloff… and then the drugs wore off.
Pineda just threw a NASTY changeup to K Harper there.
did i see pineda get a strike out on a change?
that would be good.
did i see pineda give up a hit to a lefty?
that’s not what we want to see.
NASTY + changeup =
randy I. your a trip man… Funny guy.
it’s not that fast anyway.
not verlander fast anyway.
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They have the same average velocity.
Not looking at the radar gun Pineda looks real good. If the radar is correct and he really isn’t holding back/done building arm strength I’d be a little more concerned. FB sounds like is has some good pop though and good location, slider is nasty, and shows a good CU. So far impressed.
“I’ve always really liked Dickerson since he became a Yankee. He’s definitely a legit MLB outfielder.”
I thought he was a better option than Ibanez.
Ground out on a change.
what is his fast ball getting clocked at today?
YankeesWFAN
Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today. Nats TV analyst FP Santangelo told me their radar gun has been off, so don’t go crazy at the #
Bret – Only thing sweeter than seeing high heels with a Southern accent is seeing a flourescent bikini with a Staten Island accent
Worth repeating in regards to any velocity readings
pat March 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
YankeesWFAN
Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today. Nats TV analyst FP Santangelo told me their radar gun has been off, so don’t go crazy at the #
what is his fast ball getting clocked at today?
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According to the Twitter world, sitting 90-91 over the 1st couple of innings
pineda gave up a hit, oh my!
hope he makes the squad…
“Back-to-back hits off Pineda this inning”
… what, no Chicken Littles demanding Cashman’s head in a duffel bag after trading away Jesus Montero on a whim for an over-hyped non-talent bum?
C’mon guys, you’re all losing your edge!
Looks like Pena’s hurt possibly.
“so perhaps you’re just thinking about similar posters such as yourself, rather than people that are actually looking forward to prospects who do this pretend 180 to then hate them.”
WRONG.
“Because I’ve seen no compelling evidence that the latter exists”
Which of course in your mind means that it couldn’t exist.
“Chances are, the people that were kicking Melancon when he was down were not cheering for him to get a shot in the first place.”
WRONG.
Anything else you want to get wrong?
http://joelefkowitz.com/pitche.....#038;d2=01
verlander only had two games where he didn’t reach 97.6
verlander had 6 games when he was over 99.6
and he’s an old dude
don’t raise false hopes about pineda.
that’s what makes people jump to the wrong conclusions when he’s only throwing 93-934 in spring training.
by the way,what did he hit today in mph? i didn’t see it.
anyone who wasn’t in high school today can answer that.
“have you gotten to the point in your classes where you’re experimenting with herbs?
maybe you might want to cut back a little
”
Weed doesn’t do that to people.
Brett’s dropping acid.
I hope he think he’s dancing with a southern belle.. who is actually Paula Deen.
Just got in. Any friendly types here who can give me a quick read on what’s happened so far. Don’t need chapter and verse, just your take on how Pineda’s looked so far, and the same with CM.
Thanks.
actually i might have read that verlander graph wrong.
maybe it wasn’t mph but relative differentials divided by hypothetical increases in y axis dispersion.
Randy L – No sweat on the graph reading. It’s all ballbearings anyway.
jacksquat – about your post last night. I thought you were saying that the post was your take, and your were poking fun at that take as a lawyer yourself.
(If you remember what you posted.)
Anyway, I think you remember me as someone who was thrilled to get Pineda and sad to lose Montero. That hasn’t changed.
“I hope he think he’s dancing with a southern belle.. who is actually Paula Deen.”
shame
i’m just hoping the belle doesn’t have a ringer on it.
Anything else you want to get wrong?
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So I suppose you have the evidence of this then?
Nobody’s been above 90 much on that, LOOKS faster, good pop into the mitt.
If bret’s choice in dance partners is anything like his trade decisions, there’s nothing to envy.
“Randy L – No sweat on the graph reading. It’s all ballbearings anyway.”
hassey-
the other day jerkface said something like i said when i thought that the number representing movement on one of these graphs on pineda was a differential something and not in inches.
What has Durbin throwing before today? Pineda is about 4-5 mph over that.
He’s hitting 90 now. Wonder if the gun is off by 4 mph or so?
verlander only had two games where he didn’t reach 97.6
verlander had 6 games when he was over 99.6
and he’s an old dude
don’t raise false hopes about pineda.
that’s what makes people jump to the wrong conclusions when he’s only throwing 93-934 in spring training.
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Verlander got 97 or over 23% of the time. Pineda is 17%. Both average 95 mph on their fastballs. You continue to try to perpetuate a myth that Pineda is not one of the hardest throwers in the league, when all evidence is to the contrary.
Its amazing that someone who professes to know so much about baseball can think a pitcher that was in the top 5 of fastball average for qualified starters and who hit 97 or better 17% of the time is not a hard thrower.
Or this could be one of those ‘trolling’ stints you go on, which just devalues everything ELSE you do. Shallow shallow shallow.
the other day jerkface said something like i said when i thought that the number representing movement on one of these graphs on pineda was a differential something and not in inches.
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it is measured in inches, just not in the way you thought. I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it, even after I schooled you on it.
so this performance by pineda today lowers him to , at best, the 4th starter role?
hope he makes the team…
Pinada made 2 mistakes today and it cost him runs. Not sure how much that wind affected the LaRoche double, but, it was still pretty well hit. Impressed with CMW today, except on his fielding ability.
“So I suppose you have the evidence of this then?”
you saw my verlander link.
look at it yourself and tell me how many times over 97.6 and over 99.6 for verlander.
you know what this blog needs?
an umpire.
how are we supposed to debate things when there’s no “umpire”?
it’s like sandlot baseball where a close play at first ends up in a twenty minute fight on SAFE/OUT.
Durbin was in the mid-80s.
“Impressed with CMW today, except on his fielding ability.”
it’s the one foot in front of the other thing that has me concerned.
I saw the nasty change to Harper then my phone screwed up and that’s all I saw
Pat M,
Walton is gone. Walton + next two first round picks for Ramon Sessions + Christian Eyenga (who?) Too bad it was Kyrie Irving!
“it is measured in inches, just not in the way you thought. I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it, even after I schooled you on it.”
when you go to college, don’t take up education.
you suck at teaching.
Rapada fast-ball strikeout pegged at 85.
randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“Impressed with CMW today, except on his fielding ability.”
it’s the one foot in front of the other thing that has me concerned.
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With a hamstring strain, he needs to sit down until he’s completely healthy. That curve should really help him, though.
“Pineda is the dynamite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a straight up HATER!”
Or doesn’t really know Pineda.
The radar gun is probably 4-5 mph slow.
“According to the Twitter world, sitting 90-91 over the 1st couple of innings”
that doesn’t count.
trisha doesn’t believe in twitter.
anything else?
GB7,
Did CMW ever have a curve like that while he was a Yankee? That’s a swing-and-miss pitch he threw today, and I just don’t remember seeing it before.
“The radar gun is probably 4-5 mph slow.”
what’s the gold standard for radar guns anyway?
how do we know if a gun is fast or slow?
when you go to college, don’t take up education.
you suck at teaching.
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I can teach people that are able to learn at a college level, but I guess thats why you topped out as bullpen catcher.
Randy,
I dont understand your point. Ok, Verlander has the fastest FB in MLB. So because Pineda doesnt reach 97-99 as often as Verlander hes not a hard thrower?
So Miguel Cabrera isnt a power hitter because Jose Bautista hits more HR??
“your take on how Pineda’s looked so far”
He had a ridiculous breaking ball working today, Trisha. He was able to get to 2 strikes, then broke off some sliders and a well-placed CU or two that befuddled them.
He fastball was not crackling, by any stretch, but he didn’t make any mistakes w/it.
There are people who calibrate the things to State Patrol standards, which is +/- .75 mph here.
*His fastball
Lakers made a good move.
“I dont understand your point. Ok, Verlander has the fastest FB in MLB. So because Pineda doesnt reach 97-99 as often as Verlander hes not a hard thrower?”
it’s humor.
it’s fun to call pineda a soft tosser because he doesn’t throw as hard as verlander and watch pinediacs go crazy.
the fact it’s true doesn’t hurt either.
tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
GB7,
Did CMW ever have a curve like that while he was a Yankee? That’s a swing-and-miss pitch he threw today, and I just don’t remember seeing it before.
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Tom, I don’t even recall CMW having a rinky dink curve. Just 2 fastballs and hard slider.
GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
If bret’s choice in dance partners is anything like his trade decisions, there’s nothing to envy.
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Nice one, Norm
GB7,
That’s what I recall, too. THX.
“what’s the gold standard for radar guns anyway?”
Ones that don’t result in me getting speeding tickets.
“I can teach people that are able to learn at a college level, but I guess thats why you topped out as bullpen catcher.”
you forgot the “a” before “bullpen catcher”.
Sure thing, Tom.
Where did Hall get that third baseman’s glove?
I am assuming they walked Zimmerman so Rapada wouldnt have to face another righty, rather than because Girardi cares about the outcome of this.
hardwired – thanks!
I DVRd the game but I have it in real time now. I’ll go back and watch from the beginning later.
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Love when randy takes gratuitous shots, like mentioning that I don’t believe in Twitter. That of course had no need to be posted, but randy’s at his best when he’s taking little shots from out of the blue.
randy – I don’t believe you know neil allen. Just thought I’d tell you that. I find you to be one of the biggest bragging blowhards I’ve every come across. Blowhard is the relevant word there. I think you exaggerate all of your baseball stuff if not making much of it up. I don’t believe half of the on-going sagas that you post about.
That said, I don’t dislike you. I dislike your methods but I have no feeling about you personally one way or the other.
Now that we have that straight.
And oh yeah – I believe there are others on this forum who have a lot more experience with the game than you and probably a lot more contact with people in the game (naturally not talking about myself here). The difference is that they don’t feel the need to constantly namedrop or try to dazzle people with their knowledge every time they post.
Carry on!
Rapada gets a lot of ground balls and strike outs vs lefties. They really should make him the LOOGY if they intend of using the last roster spot as such.
GB7,
Hall does look competent, doesn’t he?
Good for the Royals. They deserve some hot-shot players. Escobar is known for his speed at SS and his defense. He’s gotten a lot of good press.
As it is apparent that the grammar police is patroling the blog , I’ll make it my business to double check my syntax when discussing baseball on lohud.
…A holes.
Tom, if it weren’t for his 2B, SS and the outfield play, 3B would be his worst position. If his bat would return to his Milwaukee years, he might be worth keeping around.
If Pineda can throw the slider and change well, he’ll be damn good. If he does that and is throwing 95 to all four quadrants, he’ll be straight filthy.
“patrolling”
F this place
BD – my prediction is straight filthy! Just rack that up to my laser-beam perspicacity.
Do not underestimate the talent on the Nats, from pitching to hitting to defense. They have the makings of a formidable team! Happy they’re in the NL. The NL East definitely has become the counterpart to the AL East in terms of being the toughest division in their league.
“randy – I don’t believe you know neil allen. Just thought I’d tell you that. I find you to be one of the biggest bragging blowhards I’ve every come across. Blowhard is the relevant word there. I think you exaggerate all of your baseball stuff if not making much of it up. I don’t believe half of the on-going sagas that you post about.”
trisha-
you’re just mad that twitter limits to people to 140 characters.
i know for you that’s kind of tough, but hey “pollyanna” is only 9 characters.
it just brings tears to my eyes that you don’t believe me
The Nats have also shown a commitment to shelling out cash to keep core players and attract free agents. Nats fans have plenty to be excited about.
Question: I heard the broadcasters say that Wang’s injury was a left hamstring pull. Then they said that had to be a relief. I thought a hamstring injury took quite a while to recover from.
Anyone?
Depends on the severity of the “pull”/tear.
Almonte with another bad play. In the double retreat mode.
Depends on the severity of the “pull”/tear.
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And one of the only reasons Hughes hammy took forever is because he injured his ankle while rehabbing it. A lower grade hamstrung pull would be a relief compared to the other myriad junk that can go wrong with how Wang landed on that bag.
“it just brings tears to my eyes that you don’t believe me”
It’s of no moment to me how you are or are not affected by my disbelief of your pap.
I just wanted to be on the record about it. I think of you as just any other poster on a baseball forum. If you want the truth, I think jerkface knows far more about the game than you do. Same with Genius Maker. And CB of course. When I look for technically correct information, I read what they have to say.
trisha,
He walked off the field (bravura?). With a severe strain or tear, you don’t do that. I speak from experience. Rest it until it’s better, that’s what the doc told me. No substitute for rest.
Haven’t seen a lot of Harper, but what I see is one ugly swing. He needs to get a little more compact to be a really efficient big league hitter. His first swing in his last at bat was a totally wild uncontrolled swipe at the ball. Just not pretty. He’s got the bat speed, but not the compact swing to put up the big numbers he is probably capable of…
“And one of the only reasons Hughes hammy took forever is because he injured his ankle while rehabbing it. A lower grade hamstrung pull would be a relief compared to the other myriad junk that can go wrong with how Wang landed on that bag.”
Is a low-grade hamstring pull something that can be day to day, or does it usually take longer? Is it possible that Wang can pitch again his next turn out? Is this possibly something that could jettison his ST? As far as you know on any of these things. Take the best case scenario and make it a really low-grade pull.
That poor SOB. It’s like someone hates him and sticks pins into a doll!
there are different grades of hamstring pulls.
some are so bad and there is so much blood and swelling involved that hospitalization and surgery is required.
i wonder if some people ever pull their know it all muscle
tom and randy – thank you.
GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Almonte with another bad play. In the double retreat mode.
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I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…
“I just wanted to be on the record about it. ”
you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.
i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.
“thank you”
i’m not falling for that “football” lucy
I’m going to be so pissed off at the forces if Wang doesn’t get his chance this season. When the broadcast talked about and showed some of his pitches, his sinker looked great.
And as an aside, I don’t know why ANYBODY would try to get a sinkerball pitcher to throw fewer sinkers. Hell that’s their bread and butter. What better way to keep the ball in the park. It isn’t like he didn’t have other pitches or an out pitch.
randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
“I just wanted to be on the record about it. ”
you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.
i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.
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that is very funny, score one for the old farts that have actually played the game in their lives and know that Kuroda wasn’t signed to compete for a spot in the rotation.
“thank you”
i’m not falling for that “football” lucy”
I was thanking you for answering about a hamstring injury.
I’m a very direct person. I don’t try to blow smoke or play forum sleight of hand.
I’m also an appreciative person. As I told you, I don’t dislike you. I’ll put you in your place when you get in my face, but othewise you’re just another poster to me.
I think you are probably dealing with transferrence here when you talk about moving the football.
Freud would have had a ball with you.
Shame,
My favorite name in MLB, ever, was “Jose Valdivielso”. Bad player for the old Senators, but the name just rolls off the tongue.
Trisha ~
re: CMW
I think the relief was more about that fact that it wasn’t his shoulder (apparently, he’s missed time the past two seasons because of shoulder surgery) not that a hamstring injury isn’t, potentially, severe…
oh – and I got that from twitter
http://tinyurl.com/7tpasd2
“you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.
i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.”
You’re just another poster here. Just another poster.
“And as an aside, I don’t know why ANYBODY would try to get a sinkerball pitcher to throw fewer sinkers”
when a sinkerball pitcher throws a high number of sinkers, he gets a lot ground balls and few strike outs.
he has a low strike out ratio.
the sabermetrically inclined hate that.
cashman had his sabermetric training wheels on when wang was putting up his really good numbers ,but he had a low strike out rate. he didn’t think wang could keep it up. they thought he was lucky.
but now cashman reads and quotes fangraphs.
no more training whees for him
“I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…”
Girardi would just distort it with an obnoxious “ie/y” nickname anyway.
MG March 15th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
“I just wanted to be on the record about it. ”
you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.
i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.
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that is very funny, score one for the old farts that have actually played the game in their lives and know that Kuroda wasn’t signed to compete for a spot in the rotation.
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Watch that “old farts” stuff MG. Not all “old farts” smell the same. Mine is pretty bad. Randy’s just sort of sneak up on you and “BAM”…right betwen the eyes.
Sis – no need to feed the animals. randy does quite well at being nasty without being fed material.
“I think you are probably dealing with transferrence here when you talk about moving the football.”
Without taking sides, that would be projection, not transference.
Speaking of know-it-alls, I found this hilarious bit from Cafardo’s mailbag:
What is your take on Adrian Gonzalez? Dan Shaughnessy wrote, “Gonzalez is one sour dude. Almost Nomar-esque. Nobody likes a know-it-all.” I didn’t think he was like that. Chemistry problem down the line?
– Joe, Dartmouth
Don’t think he’s a problem, or that he’ll create a ‘chemistry problem’ but he can come off that way. He’s very strong in his opinions about baseball.
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Almonte with another bad play. In the double retreat mode.
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I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…
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Wait until Ravel Santana arrives. You can call him Bolero. That will be his walk-up music…”Ravel’s Bolero”.
rich, transferrence is an unconscious redirection of feelings from one person to another. I thought that’s what he was doing.
But I see projection captures it.
“Without taking sides, that would be projection, not transference.”
thank you
“Transference occurs when a client projects feelings toward the therapist that more legitimately belong with certain important others.”
Trisha..I love how you pull no punches. Rock on.
Why can’t you get too worked up about ST final scores?
Because for quite a while you’re dealing with a hodge-podge lineup and toward the later innings, with pitchers and hitters who are nowhere on the ML radar in terms of having a shot of being on the team. Oftentimes the final outcomes are determined in those later innings.
Busy day for the Lakers.
Sis ~
No “feeding” intended
just an example of how it can be useful.
You just have to know who/what to follow and who/what to take with a grain of salt.
Okay randy.
So you were projecting, not transferring.
Happy we straightened that out.
Axisa had an in game chat ….I guess he’s at the game….said the gun was definitely screwed up and everybody was throwing upper 80s.
munson, thanks.
If nothing else, I am direct and honest. Whether or not the outcome is pretty, with me you know you can take it to the bank as real.
Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Busy day for the Lakers.
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Fisher trade was a surprise.
ESPN updating by the minute. Fisher is gone.
If nothing else, I am direct and honest. Whether or not the outcome is pretty, with me you know you can take it to the bank as real.
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why the constant need to tell us who you are?
we can all see for ourselves…
fisher trade?
what was i projecting?
i know it has something to do with you reminding me of lucy with the football with charly brown.
but run that projection thing by me again.
i have some errands to run.
i’ll be sure to check back in.
ok they got sessions, no longer need fisher , i get it
Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
“I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…”
Girardi would just distort it with an obnoxious “ie/y” nickname anyway.
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Too true.. can’t wait till we hear Uncle Joe’s thoughts on Piney’s outting today.
This blog lacks Erin today. We needed gossip breaks and I have a strong feeling another would be useful right now.
Where is Brett and his southern harlot?
It will be interesting to see if Hill can reach his potential on a good team.
Brett Marshall just keeps looking better after each outing….regardless of who he’s facing.
blake March 15th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Axisa had an in game chat ….I guess he’s at the game….said the gun was definitely screwed up and everybody was throwing upper 80s.
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Thank god you weren’t holding your breath!
Where is Brett and his southern harlot?
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is brett up to no good again?
“Where is Brett and his southern harlot?”
I love the word harlot.
Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.
Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.
============================brett can you get on maury again?
Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
“I’ve always really liked Dickerson since he became a Yankee. He’s definitely a legit MLB outfielder.”
I thought he was a better option than Ibanez.
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This is what I was saying when they signed Ibanez. And Dickerson can actually play solid defense on the corners. I hope I am wrong, but Ibanez is destined to be like Wynn (who I also predicted would be gone by the All Star game.
You’d better take the one that despises you and pukes the least.
Bret,
After you start parsing their dietary intake, it’s doubtful you’ll have a choice.
Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.
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I’m guessing their names are Lefty and Righty.
Lannan is blowful.
“Thank god you weren’t holding your breath!”
I tried….but I passed out. He did touch 95 I think….mostly 90-92 from what’s being reporter…..which is slightly better than last outing…..still seems like he’s throwing a lot of offspeed and working on things…..he looked pretty good to me today from what I saw….lot of weak swings…..ill watch again later.
mick,
Looks like a 3 plus a pick for 2. Fisher, Walton, Kapono to the Cavs. I have no idea who that wing player coming back is. But the Got Chalk? guy we already have is pretty decent.
Mick,
Maury?
DNA test negative on the last one. She duped me into consoling her parents.
“Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.”
The one with the most teeth is usually best
The Lakers got younger which is a hood thing. I was looking forward to having Beasley though.
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looks like much ado about nothing, they are going nowhere, fish a great clutch guy
I should also say that Dickerson’s offense is not very good, but I would rather him play RF against a righty and let Swisher DH than let Ibanez DH. Dickerson could also pinch run if needed late in the game if needed = more valuable than Ibanez.
The one with the most teeth is usually best
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not what i heard
Well…. I know Paula is a better cook but Rue is an animal in the bedroom.
good not hood
DNA test negative on the last one.
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good deal. don’t want to see you on Springer this time..
Tom,
That’s actually pertinent. One’s diet is heads and shoulders above the other and she’s in much better health. Her knowledge of nutrition is spectacular as she’s well educated and already passed through pharmacology school. Both are petite but the 21 year old has the advantage of being young. She’s sweeter and more down to Earth so she does a better job of charming me. It’s a tough call!
The Lakers got younger which is a hood thing.
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sounded better this way
looks like much ado about nothing,
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They were getting killed in the back court they had to make a move.
lol, Blake
I’m still laughing. A little hillbilly humor!
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Well…. I know Paula is a better cook but Rue is an animal in the bedroom.
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Paula Deen and bret are not the perfect match. Like any other time he opens his mouth, he starts talking about nutrition and they roll their eyes and run screaming into the night.
see how nice it can be without the sniping
What I was saying randy, is that I asked for information, you were one of the people who responded, and I thanked you for that. You came back and said you weren’t falling for the lucy with the football thing.
I said that you were projecting, meaning that since you yourself are skilled in pulling away the football, you quickly accuse others/me of doing the same thing, when in reality that was not at all what I was doing.
GB,
Again you’re partially correct. Their eyes roll into the backs of their heads at night and they scream.
we all have to leave our egos at the blog door
They did try to get Dwill for Gasol but the Nets refused.
dwill will be gone
Dwight signs away his opt-out. No more drama until next trade deadline.
The Nets should have taken that deal. D-Will will be slinging to Dirk next season.
“see how nice it can be without the sniping”
The optimal condition IMO.
oh yea that’s a guarantee no way he stays now. He’ll probably end up in Dallas
just bought a pair of 07/28 Sux game tickets through workadvantage.
The Nets should have taken that deal.
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Yea they should have. At least into Brooklyn with Gasol and some young guys like Brooks
go into*
nets are a sinking ship
D-Will would have been great. But it would have been a tough fit with Bynum and Kobe getting so many shot attempts. Sessions + Gasol is better. I’d rather keep Gasol.
“We know that now-former New York Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni and team owner James Dolan met Wednesday morning and came out of that meeting deciding to resign because of differences in how they saw the future of the organization”
This was reported on PIX news last nite
“Their eyes roll into the backs of their heads at night and they scream.”
I dunno where men seem to get this strange idea that women tell the truth….
I dunno where men seem to get this strange idea that women tell the truth….
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Everyone is casanova on the internet.
Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.
Report is Dantoni wanted to trade Melo for DWill and dolan showed him the door
Shame, he apparently didn’t see When Harry Met Sally!
GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.
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If the Mets turned out the kind of season the Knicks have no one would be so excited. Its sort of amazing a club that can’t even manage a .500 record is even making the back pages..
it’s because the Knicks are more popular than the mets
“Report is Dantoni wanted to trade Melo for DWill and dolan showed him the door”
I read a more sanitized version of that this morning. What I read was that D’Antoni asked Dolan if there was any chance that Melo could be traded and when Dolan said no, D’Antoni decided he couldn’t work there any more.
I guess that’s the same thing, if you use Dolan showing him the door as a manner of speaking.
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.
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If the Mets turned out the kind of season the Knicks have no one would be so excited. Its sort of amazing a club that can’t even manage a .500 record is even making the back pages..
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NY loves their basketball
The Mets have turned out seasons worse than the Knicks.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Shame, he apparently didn’t see When Harry Met Sally!
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LOL!!
I usually save my smutty story for when Chip’s around because he always brings out the lady of the night in me somehow. But Bret reminds me of this guy I used to see sometimes that would insist on quizzing me after we hooked up. I always felt like I was on the ‘quickfire’ part of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. “Was it the best?” “Best you’ve ever gotten?” “Best of your whole life?”
You think a girl’s gonna look at you and be like ‘Eh, I’ve had better but they don’t answer me at 1am because they have jobs.’ No. A girl just says ‘Sure!’ and then tells their girlfriends that quickfire challenges are clearly not confined to game shows.
the mets aren’t even a NY team…they are a surburban cousin on Long Island
sort of like the old Nets on the island
Knicks are urban, in the heart of the City
Someday, 1970 or 1973 will return for knicks fans.
mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
it’s because the Knicks are more popular than the mets
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Its because people in NYC still like to pretend that champions play at MSG.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsp.....-williams/
New York has always loved the bigger brother to the little brother. It’s a Yankee, Knick, Ranger, Giant town. You get history classic moments, memories, etc.
Its because people in NYC still like to pretend that champions play at MSG.
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nah, they’re just not quitters…many “fans” have quit on the mets
It’s a Yankee, Knick, Ranger, Giant town. You get history classic moments, memories, etc.
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no coincidence they are all the original franchises…older, more mature fanbase
I just saw Bret’s “Southern Belle” on TV. Blonde, green dress. About 5 foot and 350 pounds. Maybe not southern belle, unless her name was Quasimoto.
Shame –
+
I would do it but not for free.
no coincidence they are all the original franchises…older, more mature fanbase
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How many Giants, Knicks, and Rangers fans have you actually met, mick?
That’s not really the description I’d use.. maybe more like:
Rangers fans = Suits and ties
Knicks fans = Resigned to mediocrity
Giants fans = From NJ
mick, same thing (re: your link)
I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.
That would be quite a coup.
“Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.”
I actually agree with this. Knicks fans have no standing to diss anyone, although they do have have a loyal core who are more willing to stick tough times out than any suits that have owned the team since the old Gulf and Western in the ’70s.
Exactly original franchises their is a following that those clubs have.
Shame, I’m particularly wary about anyone who feels the need to talk about conquests.
UNC Asheville up on Syracuse at the half.
Will they be the first 16 seed to win an NCAA round?
“I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.
That would be quite a coup.”
See, now that actually would be exciting. Same for if they had gotten Lebron or someone of that magnitude (though there are obviously very few).
btw, I would have traded Melo for Williams, and still let D’Antoni go. Not that he had a fair shot here; he didn’t. But I prefer a defense-first hoops coach.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Shame, I’m particularly wary about anyone who feels the need to talk about conquests.
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On the internet. To people they don’t know.
I haven’t seen this many red flags since the Olympics were in Beijing.
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
“I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.
That would be quite a coup.”
See, now that actually would be exciting. Same for if they had gotten Lebron or someone of that magnitude (though there are obviously very few).
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NY isn’t big enough for two egos the size of Jackson and Francesa, along with Ryan’s mouth.
GB – If this city is big enough for Trump and Bloomberg its big enough for everybody.
“I haven’t seen this many red flags since the Olympics were in Beijing.”
LMAO!
You are so quick Shame!!!!
Talk to y’all later.
A kindler, gentler forum is a very nice thing to continue to reach for.
The 1990s, especially early 90s, was a glorious time to be a Knicks fan. It’s just that cat named Jordan was in the way.
Syracuse playing like crap. Very interested to see this second half.
GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
“I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.
That would be quite a coup.”
See, now that actually would be exciting. Same for if they had gotten Lebron or someone of that magnitude (though there are obviously very few).
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NY isn’t big enough for two egos the size of Jackson and Francesa, along with Ryan’s mouth.
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Hire Fraiser.
Ewing was the man.
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Ewing was the man.
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From those ’70 teams, hard to beat a healthy Willis Reed and Dollar Bill.
However, I was referring to Fraiser Craine.
I’m in the quarter century range, GB, so I don’t remember those older Knicks clubs.
When you said Fraiser, I was imagining Kelsey Grammar at the helm.
Jordan is really the first great bball player I can remember watching play. I always liked Shaq more, but I think it had something to do with that movie Kazaam.
“Paula Deen and bret are not the perfect match. Like any other time he opens his mouth, he starts talking about nutrition and they roll their eyes and run screaming into the night.”
didn’t she like sign up with a pharmaceutical company to endorse their diabetic drug after she hid her diabetes for years when her food show pushed unhealthy eating ?
what a hypocrite .
Chad,
Is Jose Gil your biggest shocker in camp, or, are you staying with the young pitchers? I think he could have moved up sooner, except for who he had to fight over the years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco
why would anyone think hydrogenated cotton seed oil would hurt you?
go figure.
Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I’m in the quarter century range, GB, so I don’t remember those older Knicks clubs.
When you said Fraiser, I was imagining Kelsey Grammar at the helm.
Jordan is really the first great bball player I can remember watching play. I always liked Shaq more, but I think it had something to do with that movie Kazaam.
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Back in the day, the best entertainment baseketball was Chamberlain/Greer against Russell/Havlicek. Celts just had too much for Wilt to cover.
GB7,
And the rest of the Champion Knicks:
7 Dean Meminger 10 Walt Frazier 12 Dick Barnett 15 Earl Monroe 17 Henry Bibby 18 Phil Jackson 19 Willis Reed (Finals MVP) 22 Dave DeBusschere 24 Bill Bradley 32 Jerry Lucas 40 John Gianelli 43 Harthorne Wingo
Head coach Red Holzman
Tom,
Jerry Lucas may have been the most under rated HOFer in basketball. He was sensational. Possibly the equal of Jerry West.
Tom,
No doubt that Earl Monroe coming over from the Bullets in ’71 really completed that team.
GB7,
And better yet, most of them could actually read. Loved DeBusschere, too. Tough guy. Dollar Bill turned out OK. The Pearl was my favorite, though. Watched him live in Baltimore in an empty arena. He and Walt were pieces of work.
randy l. –
I have no idea why you made the comments directed at me on the last thread. Perhaps I was too direct in my disagreement with one or more of your projected points of view, or I tweaked a nerve, and you can’t stand it when a blogger busts yours, despite the fact you enjoy the constant disparaging, and at times plain nasty comments directed at those on the blog that don’t fall in behind your lead, and agree with your points of view.
People on this blog do not know you, your level of baseball experience etc., just as you lack the knowledge of what experience and knowledge the bloggers you direct comments towards.
I’d wager active ball players have little or zero knowledge of what transpires within the NY Yankees organization, and I’d go further and say players on the Yankees 40 man have little to no knowledge of the Yankees front office thinking and plans. Yet, you, and outsider, who have been out of baseball for many years, want us to believe you have your hand on the pulse of what’s going on within the Yankees organization, or any other organization. The truth is you are simply guessing.
As a past MLB player you want us to believe you know more than those, whose experience you lack knowledge of. There are numerous managers and coaches that either had no MLB experience, a limited career, or simply a minor league career, that had a great understanding of the game and have been successful as managers and coaches. On the flip side, there are also players that had long careers in the ML, but, had a poor understanding of the game as a whole, and would have made poor managers, or teachers of the game.
I find it interesting in your post about Wang and Neil Allen you stated, “Neil and I are very close friends”, and followed that later with, “I do not know if they (Wang & Allen) have any contact now as I haven’t talked with Neil in two years.”
I don’t know about you, but people I call close friends, I speak with on a regular basis, and people I speak to once in two years are generally considered casual acquaintances.
Perhaps you simply enjoy being an agitator, which is fine, but after reading your post directed at me, I’m now thinking you just enjoy being an A – Hole.
I apologize to my fellow LoHud bloggers for being so lengthy, but I needed to say what I did. I will not continue this discussion any further.