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Spring training Game 14: Yankees at Nationals

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (5-8)
Brett Gardner LF
Russell Martin C
Andruw Jones DH
Chris Dickerson RF
Bill Hall 3B
Dewayne Wise CF
Jayson Nix 2B
Jorge Vazquez 1B
Ramiro Pena SS

RHP Michael Pineda

NATIONALS (5-5)
Roger Bernadina LF
Danny Espinosa 2B
Ryan Zimmerman 3B
Chad Tracy 1B
Adam LaRoche DH
Jayson Werth CF
Bryce Harper RF
Steve Lombardozzi SS
Jhonatan Solano C

RHP Chien-Ming Wang

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., MLB Network

WEATHER: Drove all the way from Tampa, it was basically the exact same weather the whole way. Sunny. Temperatures in the 70s and 80s. It’s Florida in mid-March.

UMPIRES: HP Paul Nauert, 1B Jerry Meals, 2B Laz Diaz, 3B Eric Loveless

TOOK A WHILE BUT…: Nothing like showing up at the stadium in the top of the second. It’s still scoreless after the Yankees stranded the bases loaded in the second. Jorge Vazquez was hit by a pitch — clearly Chien-Ming Wang showing how upset he is that the Yankees didn’t bring him back — and now Michael Pineda is out for the bottom of the inning.

UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang just stumbled while covering first base. He did an awkward roll over the bag and was removed from the game. Russell Martin was called out on the play, though it seemed clear that Wang never touched either Martin or the bag.

UPDATE, 1:55 p.m.: Two out walk and stolen base by Jones, now an infield single for Dickerson. Runners at the corners for Bill Hall.

UPDATE, 1:56 p.m.: Two-run double off the right-field wall for Hall. It’s a 2-0 Yankees lead in the top of the third.

UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Double into the corner with a runner at first base … It was the flip play all over again, and Pena was in position, but he didn’t have to cut off the throw. The runner scored anyway and it’s a 2-1 Yankees lead. Back-to-back hits off Pineda this inning.

UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Pineda strands a runner in the third and it’s still 2-1 Yankees heading into the fourth. Pineda should have one more inning. No radar here at the stadium. If you’re watching on MLB Network you might know more about Pineda’s velocity than anyone here in the press box.

UPDATE, 2:17 p.m.: Ramiro Pena being helped off the field after sliding into second base on a stolen base attempt. He seemed to hit the bag awkwardly. Looked like he might have twisted his ankle, but it just happened and I don’t have replay. I’ll obviously update later. Have to think Pena would be in the mix for a roster spot if Eduardo Nunez’s bruised hand is worse than expected.

UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Rapada let the Nationals load the bases in the fifth, but he intentionally walked Zimmerman to face the lefty Chad Tracy and got Tracy to ground out to end the inning. It’s a 2-2 game heading into the sixth.

UPDATE, 3:04 p.m.: Almonte had real trouble playing the ball off the ball in right field, and the Nationals have runners at second and third with no outs in the sixth inning. A run should have scored on the play. Bad base running has the game still tied for the moment.

UPDATE, 3:16 p.m.: Sac fly has the Nationals in the lead 3-2 heading into the seventh. Still no word on Ramiro Pena. Jayson Nix just led off the inning with a single.

UPDATE, 3:20 p.m.: Jose Gil is really having a great camp. He just singled in the tying run, took second on the throw home and now Doug Bernier is up with no outs and a chance to put the Yankees in the lead. Gil really has almost no prospect status, but he’s hit really well these past few weeks.

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391 Responses to “Spring training Game 14: Yankees at Nationals”

  1. Bronx Jeers March 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Me umpire. Very strong. ( grunt,grunt)

  2. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    This is an emphatic post…

  3. Baseball Mogul March 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    I take it composing blog posts while driving is not illegal in Florida…

  4. pat March 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    YankeesWFAN
    Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today. Nats TV analyst FP Santangelo told me their radar gun has been off, so don’t go crazy at the #

  5. Mike Ri March 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Me umpire. Very strong. ( grunt,grunt)

    —–

    LOL LOL

  6. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Where did that CMW curveball come from?

  7. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    I was asked to slow dance with a beautiful Southern Belle last night, 21, sweet and CUTE!

    Eat your heart out NYC

    YESSSS!!!!!

  8. RadioKev March 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    OK, I’ll count through Noesi’s game results – hell, why not?

    Six of the wins we he pitched in were won by 5 or more Runs. Nine of the wins he pitched in were won by less than 5 Runs.

    Six of the losses he pitched in were lost by 5 or more Runs. Nine of the losses he pitched in were lost by less than 5 Runs.

    18 decisions were within 5 R, 12 were over 5 R. That doesn’t factor what innings he pitched, or when the runs were scored. However, until y’all do that work, I’ll continue to say he wasn’t just low leverage ;)

  9. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    YYYYYYYYESSSSSS!!!!!!!

  10. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    His average leverage index is .82. 1 is average. Below 1 is ‘low pressure’ above 1 is high pressure.

    He made 28 relief appearances. Here is when he entered the game

    Tied: 3
    Within 1: 6 (half trailing)
    Within 2: 3 (2 trailing)
    Within 3: 3 (all trailing)
    Within 4: 2
    Within 5: 5
    Greater than 5: 6

    All the games he entered when it was tied were extra innings relief appearances. He was the last option in the pen, which isn’t very good.

  11. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Pineda’s slider can get lefties out.

  12. hardwired7 March 15th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Naaasty!

  13. RadioKev March 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    What’s the average average leverage index for a long man?

    The nature of a long man tends to be low leverage.

    For the ties: He was the long man, being the last option in a tied game isn’t surprising. That’s just the general strategy.

    If we’ll call within 4 a winnable game for the Yankees (arbitrary?), he pitched in 17 winnable games.

  14. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Strong first inning for Strong Pineda ;)

  15. UnKnown March 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Pineda is the dynamite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a straight up HATER!

  16. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    And I have a date with a hot fireball pharmacist this weekend with a thick Southern accent. 97 pounds of hotnessssssssss!!!!!!

    YESS

    YES

    YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!

  17. blake March 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    I don’t care if he had a nice inning….did he throw fast?

  18. stuckey March 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    “I don’t care if he had a nice inning….did he throw fast?”

    I’d like to believe you’re kidding Blake…

  19. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    What’s the average average leverage index for a long man?

    The nature of a long man tends to be low leverage.

    For the ties: He was the long man, being the last option in a tied game isn’t surprising. That’s just the general strategy.

    If we’ll call within 4 a winnable game for the Yankees (arbitrary?), he pitched in 17 winnable games.

    Right, but the leverage index is questioning his use as an ‘aceves type’ reliever, which isn’t true. Aceves average LI in 2009 was over 1. Being a long man means lots of low leverage situations, but the Yankees managed to combine low leverage situations with few innings AND he pitched a ton of 1 inning outings. Only 11 of his 28 relief appearances were for more than 1 inning.

    If he made 28 appearances over like 2 months and pitched 56 innings cool while pitching 3 months in the minors as a starter getting another 100 innings there that’d be cool. But he pitched 80 innings total over the entire season AND the Yankees wasted a year of service time.

  20. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    You’ll screw that one up too, Bret…just like the others that you bragged about. Perhaps it was part of her sorority requirements…go out and find a immature clown and have a pity dance with him.

  21. jacksquat March 15th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Maybe it’s better there aren’t many regulars at this game…

  22. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Cool leverage index stuff:

    Mariano Rivera has pitched with an aLI of over 2 the last 2 seasons. Robertson went from 1.2 to 1.6 last year, which makes sense given his break out and how Girardi started using him. Boone Logan somehow got 1.2 aLI, and I think many LOOGYs might fall into this trap just because of how they are used, so they better be good.

    Soriano pitched in nearly as high an aLI as robertson, so hopefully he is more effective this year.

    Joba’s career aLI is over 1.

  23. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    I will screw…that’s for sure.

    Pulled her to me by her belt straps while we danced!!!

    WOOOOOOHHHHH

    Eat your heart out GB!!!!

  24. CompassRosy March 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    MTU March 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am
    ::::Rosy-

    I think you are underestimating Noesi a bit.

    He is very good.

    In that large park of yours he might be even better.

    Think you might be in a for a pleasant surprise.

    He’s used to pitching against much tougher competition too.::::

    ~

    MTU ~

    I don’t know that my projection is underestimating Noesi as much as (possibly) overestimating the M’s current mL big four ;-)

    As for the “tougher competition” – we shall see.
    Following is a list of the AL opponents Noesi faced last season and the number of appearances vs. each (keep in mind, with the exception of the Rays, these were relief appearances of three innings or less)…

    BAL 6
    BOS 2
    TBR 3
    TOR 3

    CWS 1
    KCR 1
    MIN 1

    LAA 1
    OAK 3
    TEX 1
    SEA 2

    This season, as a starter, he’ll be facing teams for (hopefully) 5-7 innings at a time. He’ll likely face TEX and LAA about three times each and could potentially face BOS, TOR, TBR and/or NYY two or three times each, depending on how the rotation falls).

    IOW- I don’t think the competition will be any easier – quite the reverse in fact.

    That said… you go, Hector!

    :-)

  25. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Horrible change up by Wang, but he was facing Ramiro Pena so it worked.

  26. hardwired7 March 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    I’m rooting for CMW, and always will. Loved him as a Yank, and it’s great to see him healthy and dealing again.

  27. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    This thread is getting pretty weird.

  28. CompassRosy March 15th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    :::Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today.::::

    Interesting that they mention scheduled “innings” as opposed to “pitch count”…
    Does that mean, for example, he’ll be out after 4IP even if he’s only thrown 40 pitches?
    Or, he’ll have to labor through 4 even if after 3IP he’s already thrown 55?

  29. kd March 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    pineda didn’t look bad at all. fastballs in all 4 quadrants. breaking balls that were strikes.

    the fastball that werth couldn’t catch up to was pretty impressive

  30. Chad Jennings March 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Baseball Mogul March 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm e
    I take it composing blog posts while driving is not illegal in Florida…

    Had some of it setup before I left Tampa. Just made it go live on my phone as I pulled into stadium traffic. I pretty sure it was legal(ish).

  31. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Does that mean, for example, he’ll be out after 4IP even if he’s only thrown 40 pitches?
    Or, he’ll have to labor through 4 even if after 3IP he’s already thrown 55?

    The Yankees generally go by “IP or a set amount” If they reach the innings limit they finish the pitch count in the bullpen.

  32. kd March 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    chad,

    thanks for the great work.

    any great pranks in camp this year? also, if there were, could you tell us about them?

  33. CompassRosy March 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    :::The Yankees generally go by “IP or a set amount” If they reach the innings limit they finish the pitch count in the bullpen.:::

    Interesting. Thanks, JF.

    It’s my understanding that the M’s go by a set amount of pitches, in the actual game.
    (e.g., Hector is scheduled to throw 80 pitches his next start)

  34. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    This thread is getting pretty weird.
    ——————

    Yes. Yes it is.

  35. m March 15th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Good battle by Pena there.

    Read through the threads. Some people said the night of the trade that it’s too early to evaluate the trade and you can’t make predictions. Two months of mental mast*rbation to reach the same conclusion. SMH

    Brett,

    LoHud frat blog is that way. :arrow:
    :)!

  36. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    I thought Chad had girls that could do all his blog posting for him…

    The mystery of Chad’s Girls lives on!

  37. blake March 15th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Stuckey,

    Im going to hold.my breathe until he hits 99 on the gun!

  38. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Am I the only one picturing Brett dancing with Rue McClanahan?

  39. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Am I the only one picturing Brett dancing with Rue McClanahan?

    I’m wondering in what fantasy land does slow dancing southern belles still exist? Either way, its weird to post about it to a blog of people that don’t give a hoot.

  40. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Deja vu all over again, keep Wang away from any base, please.

  41. kd March 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    looks like cmw hurt himself again there. ouch.

    that guy just has bad luck

  42. 4 NYY March 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    J F, what’s Gardner’s avg. when leading off ? ( career )

    I seem to remember it’s not very good. Don’t you think he takes too many good pitches ?

  43. m March 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    He did get the bag. But who else gasped on that putout?

  44. JonS March 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    I hope CMW’s alright. That guy just has bad luck running anywhere.

  45. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    m,
    Just gasped again on the replay.

  46. Chien-Ming Vase March 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    OMG!!! NOT AGAIN!!!

  47. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    now i know why neil allen wants chien ming to take short steps.

    the man’s a danger to himself when he ‘s on the move.

  48. Chase March 15th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    How has Pineda looked? I started watching during the Werth at-bat… he looked like he has some life in his fastball, so not sure about all these velocity questions.

  49. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Some speed on the base paths!

  50. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “And I have a date with a hot fireball pharmacist this weekend with a thick Southern accent. 97 pounds of hotnessssssssss!!!!!!

    YESS

    YES

    YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!”

    brett-

    have you gotten to the point in your classes where you’re experimenting with herbs?

    maybe you might want to cut back a little :)

  51. G. Love March 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I blame Cashman for Wang landing on the bag incorrectly. If his Yankee coaches had taught him to levitate like they should have, none of this ever would have happened!

  52. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Randy,

    Time of my life!!!

  53. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    just got to some free wi fi in freeport

    how’s pineda throwing?

    how’s the change ups?

    who gives a crap about his fastball?

    it’s not that fast anyway.

    not verlander fast anyway.

  54. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Jerkface,

    U mad bro?

  55. Chase March 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    I’ve always really liked Dickerson since he became a Yankee. He’s definitely a legit MLB outfielder.

  56. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    “Randy,

    Time of my life!!!”

    brett-

    that’s what gb7 said when he first met nurse karloff… and then the drugs wore off.

  57. Chase March 15th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Pineda just threw a NASTY changeup to K Harper there.

  58. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    did i see pineda get a strike out on a change?

    that would be good.

    did i see pineda give up a hit to a lefty?

    that’s not what we want to see.

  59. Chien-Ming Vase March 15th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    NASTY + changeup = :)

  60. UnKnown March 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    randy I. your a trip man… Funny guy.

  61. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    it’s not that fast anyway.

    not verlander fast anyway.

    They have the same average velocity.

  62. ctyankeefan. March 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Not looking at the radar gun Pineda looks real good. If the radar is correct and he really isn’t holding back/done building arm strength I’d be a little more concerned. FB sounds like is has some good pop though and good location, slider is nasty, and shows a good CU. So far impressed.

  63. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    “I’ve always really liked Dickerson since he became a Yankee. He’s definitely a legit MLB outfielder.”

    I thought he was a better option than Ibanez.

  64. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Ground out on a change.

  65. mklings24 March 15th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    what is his fast ball getting clocked at today?

  66. jacksquat March 15th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    YankeesWFAN
    Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today. Nats TV analyst FP Santangelo told me their radar gun has been off, so don’t go crazy at the #

  67. Hassey March 15th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Bret – Only thing sweeter than seeing high heels with a Southern accent is seeing a flourescent bikini with a Staten Island accent

  68. UnKnown March 15th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Worth repeating in regards to any velocity readings

    pat March 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    YankeesWFAN
    Pineda scheudled for 4 inns today. Nats TV analyst FP Santangelo told me their radar gun has been off, so don’t go crazy at the #

  69. dogface March 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    what is his fast ball getting clocked at today?

    =====================

    According to the Twitter world, sitting 90-91 over the 1st couple of innings

  70. mick March 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    pineda gave up a hit, oh my!
    hope he makes the squad…

  71. Jacques Strappe March 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    “Back-to-back hits off Pineda this inning”

    … what, no Chicken Littles demanding Cashman’s head in a duffel bag after trading away Jesus Montero on a whim for an over-hyped non-talent bum?

  72. Jacques Strappe March 15th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    C’mon guys, you’re all losing your edge!

  73. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 15th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Looks like Pena’s hurt possibly.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “so perhaps you’re just thinking about similar posters such as yourself, rather than people that are actually looking forward to prospects who do this pretend 180 to then hate them.”

    WRONG.

    “Because I’ve seen no compelling evidence that the latter exists”

    Which of course in your mind means that it couldn’t exist.

    “Chances are, the people that were kicking Melancon when he was down were not cheering for him to get a shot in the first place.”

    WRONG.

    Anything else you want to get wrong?

  75. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    http://joelefkowitz.com/pitche.....#038;d2=01

    verlander only had two games where he didn’t reach 97.6

    verlander had 6 games when he was over 99.6

    and he’s an old dude

    don’t raise false hopes about pineda.

    that’s what makes people jump to the wrong conclusions when he’s only throwing 93-934 in spring training.

    by the way,what did he hit today in mph? i didn’t see it.

    anyone who wasn’t in high school today can answer that.

  76. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    “have you gotten to the point in your classes where you’re experimenting with herbs?

    maybe you might want to cut back a little :)

    Weed doesn’t do that to people.

    Brett’s dropping acid.

    I hope he think he’s dancing with a southern belle.. who is actually Paula Deen.

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Just got in. Any friendly types here who can give me a quick read on what’s happened so far. Don’t need chapter and verse, just your take on how Pineda’s looked so far, and the same with CM.

    Thanks.

  78. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    actually i might have read that verlander graph wrong.

    maybe it wasn’t mph but relative differentials divided by hypothetical increases in y axis dispersion.

  79. Hassey March 15th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Randy L – No sweat on the graph reading. It’s all ballbearings anyway.

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    jacksquat – about your post last night. I thought you were saying that the post was your take, and your were poking fun at that take as a lawyer yourself. :) (If you remember what you posted.)

    Anyway, I think you remember me as someone who was thrilled to get Pineda and sad to lose Montero. That hasn’t changed.

  81. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “I hope he think he’s dancing with a southern belle.. who is actually Paula Deen.”

    shame

    i’m just hoping the belle doesn’t have a ringer on it.

  82. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Anything else you want to get wrong?

    So I suppose you have the evidence of this then?

  83. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Nobody’s been above 90 much on that, LOOKS faster, good pop into the mitt.

  84. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    If bret’s choice in dance partners is anything like his trade decisions, there’s nothing to envy.

  85. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Randy L – No sweat on the graph reading. It’s all ballbearings anyway.”

    hassey-

    the other day jerkface said something like i said when i thought that the number representing movement on one of these graphs on pineda was a differential something and not in inches.

  86. m March 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    What has Durbin throwing before today? Pineda is about 4-5 mph over that.

    He’s hitting 90 now. Wonder if the gun is off by 4 mph or so?

  87. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    verlander only had two games where he didn’t reach 97.6

    verlander had 6 games when he was over 99.6

    and he’s an old dude

    don’t raise false hopes about pineda.

    that’s what makes people jump to the wrong conclusions when he’s only throwing 93-934 in spring training.

    Verlander got 97 or over 23% of the time. Pineda is 17%. Both average 95 mph on their fastballs. You continue to try to perpetuate a myth that Pineda is not one of the hardest throwers in the league, when all evidence is to the contrary.

    Its amazing that someone who professes to know so much about baseball can think a pitcher that was in the top 5 of fastball average for qualified starters and who hit 97 or better 17% of the time is not a hard thrower.

    Or this could be one of those ‘trolling’ stints you go on, which just devalues everything ELSE you do. Shallow shallow shallow.

  88. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    the other day jerkface said something like i said when i thought that the number representing movement on one of these graphs on pineda was a differential something and not in inches.

    it is measured in inches, just not in the way you thought. I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it, even after I schooled you on it.

  89. mick March 15th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    so this performance by pineda today lowers him to , at best, the 4th starter role?
    hope he makes the team…

  90. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Pinada made 2 mistakes today and it cost him runs. Not sure how much that wind affected the LaRoche double, but, it was still pretty well hit. Impressed with CMW today, except on his fielding ability.

  91. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “So I suppose you have the evidence of this then?”

    you saw my verlander link.

    look at it yourself and tell me how many times over 97.6 and over 99.6 for verlander.

  92. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    you know what this blog needs?

    an umpire.

    how are we supposed to debate things when there’s no “umpire”?

    it’s like sandlot baseball where a close play at first ends up in a twenty minute fight on SAFE/OUT.

  93. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Durbin was in the mid-80s.

  94. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “Impressed with CMW today, except on his fielding ability.”

    it’s the one foot in front of the other thing that has me concerned.

  95. blake March 15th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I saw the nasty change to Harper then my phone screwed up and that’s all I saw

  96. m March 15th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Pat M,

    Walton is gone. Walton + next two first round picks for Ramon Sessions + Christian Eyenga (who?) Too bad it was Kyrie Irving!

  97. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “it is measured in inches, just not in the way you thought. I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it, even after I schooled you on it.”

    when you go to college, don’t take up education.

    you suck at teaching.

  98. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Rapada fast-ball strikeout pegged at 85.

  99. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    “Impressed with CMW today, except on his fielding ability.”

    it’s the one foot in front of the other thing that has me concerned.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    With a hamstring strain, he needs to sit down until he’s completely healthy. That curve should really help him, though.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    “Pineda is the dynamite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a straight up HATER!”

    Or doesn’t really know Pineda.

    :)

  101. jacksquat March 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    The radar gun is probably 4-5 mph slow.

  102. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    “According to the Twitter world, sitting 90-91 over the 1st couple of innings”

    that doesn’t count.

    trisha doesn’t believe in twitter.

    anything else?

  103. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    GB7,
    Did CMW ever have a curve like that while he was a Yankee? That’s a swing-and-miss pitch he threw today, and I just don’t remember seeing it before.

  104. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “The radar gun is probably 4-5 mph slow.”

    what’s the gold standard for radar guns anyway?

    how do we know if a gun is fast or slow?

  105. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    when you go to college, don’t take up education.

    you suck at teaching.

    I can teach people that are able to learn at a college level, but I guess thats why you topped out as bullpen catcher.

  106. jr1212 March 15th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Randy,

    I dont understand your point. Ok, Verlander has the fastest FB in MLB. So because Pineda doesnt reach 97-99 as often as Verlander hes not a hard thrower?
    So Miguel Cabrera isnt a power hitter because Jose Bautista hits more HR??

  107. hardwired7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    “your take on how Pineda’s looked so far”

    He had a ridiculous breaking ball working today, Trisha. He was able to get to 2 strikes, then broke off some sliders and a well-placed CU or two that befuddled them.

    He fastball was not crackling, by any stretch, but he didn’t make any mistakes w/it.

  108. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    There are people who calibrate the things to State Patrol standards, which is +/- .75 mph here.

  109. hardwired7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    *His fastball

  110. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Lakers made a good move.

  111. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    “I dont understand your point. Ok, Verlander has the fastest FB in MLB. So because Pineda doesnt reach 97-99 as often as Verlander hes not a hard thrower?”

    it’s humor.

    it’s fun to call pineda a soft tosser because he doesn’t throw as hard as verlander and watch pinediacs go crazy.

    the fact it’s true doesn’t hurt either.

  112. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    GB7,
    Did CMW ever have a curve like that while he was a Yankee? That’s a swing-and-miss pitch he threw today, and I just don’t remember seeing it before.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Tom, I don’t even recall CMW having a rinky dink curve. Just 2 fastballs and hard slider.

  113. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    If bret’s choice in dance partners is anything like his trade decisions, there’s nothing to envy.
    ——————–

    :lol: Zing!!

    Nice one, Norm ;)

  114. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    GB7,
    That’s what I recall, too. THX.

  115. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    “what’s the gold standard for radar guns anyway?”

    Ones that don’t result in me getting speeding tickets.

  116. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    “I can teach people that are able to learn at a college level, but I guess thats why you topped out as bullpen catcher.”

    you forgot the “a” before “bullpen catcher”.

  117. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Sure thing, Tom.

  118. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Where did Hall get that third baseman’s glove?

  119. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I am assuming they walked Zimmerman so Rapada wouldnt have to face another righty, rather than because Girardi cares about the outcome of this.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    hardwired – thanks!

    I DVRd the game but I have it in real time now. I’ll go back and watch from the beginning later.

    **********

    Love when randy takes gratuitous shots, like mentioning that I don’t believe in Twitter. That of course had no need to be posted, but randy’s at his best when he’s taking little shots from out of the blue.

    randy – I don’t believe you know neil allen. Just thought I’d tell you that. I find you to be one of the biggest bragging blowhards I’ve every come across. Blowhard is the relevant word there. I think you exaggerate all of your baseball stuff if not making much of it up. I don’t believe half of the on-going sagas that you post about.

    That said, I don’t dislike you. I dislike your methods but I have no feeling about you personally one way or the other.

    Now that we have that straight.

    And oh yeah – I believe there are others on this forum who have a lot more experience with the game than you and probably a lot more contact with people in the game (naturally not talking about myself here). The difference is that they don’t feel the need to constantly namedrop or try to dazzle people with their knowledge every time they post.

    Carry on!

  121. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Rapada gets a lot of ground balls and strike outs vs lefties. They really should make him the LOOGY if they intend of using the last roster spot as such.

  122. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    GB7,
    Hall does look competent, doesn’t he?

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Good for the Royals. They deserve some hot-shot players. Escobar is known for his speed at SS and his defense. He’s gotten a lot of good press.

  124. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    As it is apparent that the grammar police is patroling the blog , I’ll make it my business to double check my syntax when discussing baseball on lohud.

    …A holes.

  125. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Tom, if it weren’t for his 2B, SS and the outfield play, 3B would be his worst position. If his bat would return to his Milwaukee years, he might be worth keeping around.

  126. BD (Boston Dave) March 15th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    If Pineda can throw the slider and change well, he’ll be damn good. If he does that and is throwing 95 to all four quadrants, he’ll be straight filthy.

  127. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher March 15th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    “patrolling” :D

    F this place :D

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    BD – my prediction is straight filthy! Just rack that up to my laser-beam perspicacity.

    :D

    Do not underestimate the talent on the Nats, from pitching to hitting to defense. They have the makings of a formidable team! Happy they’re in the NL. The NL East definitely has become the counterpart to the AL East in terms of being the toughest division in their league.

  129. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    “randy – I don’t believe you know neil allen. Just thought I’d tell you that. I find you to be one of the biggest bragging blowhards I’ve every come across. Blowhard is the relevant word there. I think you exaggerate all of your baseball stuff if not making much of it up. I don’t believe half of the on-going sagas that you post about.”

    trisha-

    you’re just mad that twitter limits to people to 140 characters.

    i know for you that’s kind of tough, but hey “pollyanna” is only 9 characters.

    it just brings tears to my eyes that you don’t believe me

  130. BD (Boston Dave) March 15th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    The Nats have also shown a commitment to shelling out cash to keep core players and attract free agents. Nats fans have plenty to be excited about.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Question: I heard the broadcasters say that Wang’s injury was a left hamstring pull. Then they said that had to be a relief. I thought a hamstring injury took quite a while to recover from.

    Anyone?

  132. BD (Boston Dave) March 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Depends on the severity of the “pull”/tear.

  133. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Almonte with another bad play. In the double retreat mode.

  134. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Depends on the severity of the “pull”/tear.

    And one of the only reasons Hughes hammy took forever is because he injured his ankle while rehabbing it. A lower grade hamstrung pull would be a relief compared to the other myriad junk that can go wrong with how Wang landed on that bag.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    “it just brings tears to my eyes that you don’t believe me”

    It’s of no moment to me how you are or are not affected by my disbelief of your pap.

    I just wanted to be on the record about it. I think of you as just any other poster on a baseball forum. If you want the truth, I think jerkface knows far more about the game than you do. Same with Genius Maker. And CB of course. When I look for technically correct information, I read what they have to say.

  136. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    trisha,
    He walked off the field (bravura?). With a severe strain or tear, you don’t do that. I speak from experience. Rest it until it’s better, that’s what the doc told me. No substitute for rest.

  137. PacoDooley March 15th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Haven’t seen a lot of Harper, but what I see is one ugly swing. He needs to get a little more compact to be a really efficient big league hitter. His first swing in his last at bat was a totally wild uncontrolled swipe at the ball. Just not pretty. He’s got the bat speed, but not the compact swing to put up the big numbers he is probably capable of…

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    “And one of the only reasons Hughes hammy took forever is because he injured his ankle while rehabbing it. A lower grade hamstrung pull would be a relief compared to the other myriad junk that can go wrong with how Wang landed on that bag.”

    Is a low-grade hamstring pull something that can be day to day, or does it usually take longer? Is it possible that Wang can pitch again his next turn out? Is this possibly something that could jettison his ST? As far as you know on any of these things. Take the best case scenario and make it a really low-grade pull.

    That poor SOB. It’s like someone hates him and sticks pins into a doll!

  139. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    there are different grades of hamstring pulls.

    some are so bad and there is so much blood and swelling involved that hospitalization and surgery is required.

    i wonder if some people ever pull their know it all muscle :)

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    tom and randy – thank you.

  141. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Almonte with another bad play. In the double retreat mode.
    ——————–

    :(

    I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…

  142. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    “I just wanted to be on the record about it. ”

    you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.

    i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.

  143. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    “thank you”

    i’m not falling for that “football” lucy :)

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    I’m going to be so pissed off at the forces if Wang doesn’t get his chance this season. When the broadcast talked about and showed some of his pitches, his sinker looked great.

    And as an aside, I don’t know why ANYBODY would try to get a sinkerball pitcher to throw fewer sinkers. Hell that’s their bread and butter. What better way to keep the ball in the park. It isn’t like he didn’t have other pitches or an out pitch.

  145. MG March 15th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    “I just wanted to be on the record about it. ”

    you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.

    i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.
    —————————
    that is very funny, score one for the old farts that have actually played the game in their lives and know that Kuroda wasn’t signed to compete for a spot in the rotation.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    “thank you”

    i’m not falling for that “football” lucy”

    I was thanking you for answering about a hamstring injury.

    I’m a very direct person. I don’t try to blow smoke or play forum sleight of hand.

    I’m also an appreciative person. As I told you, I don’t dislike you. I’ll put you in your place when you get in my face, but othewise you’re just another poster to me.

    I think you are probably dealing with transferrence here when you talk about moving the football.

    Freud would have had a ball with you.

  147. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Shame,
    My favorite name in MLB, ever, was “Jose Valdivielso”. Bad player for the old Senators, but the name just rolls off the tongue.

  148. CompassRosy March 15th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Trisha ~

    re: CMW
    I think the relief was more about that fact that it wasn’t his shoulder (apparently, he’s missed time the past two seasons because of shoulder surgery) not that a hamstring injury isn’t, potentially, severe…

    oh – and I got that from twitter ;-)

    http://tinyurl.com/7tpasd2

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.

    i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.”

    :)

    You’re just another poster here. Just another poster.

  150. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “And as an aside, I don’t know why ANYBODY would try to get a sinkerball pitcher to throw fewer sinkers”

    when a sinkerball pitcher throws a high number of sinkers, he gets a lot ground balls and few strike outs.

    he has a low strike out ratio.

    the sabermetrically inclined hate that.

    cashman had his sabermetric training wheels on when wang was putting up his really good numbers ,but he had a low strike out rate. he didn’t think wang could keep it up. they thought he was lucky.

    but now cashman reads and quotes fangraphs.

    no more training whees for him :)

  151. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…”

    Girardi would just distort it with an obnoxious “ie/y” nickname anyway. ;)

  152. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    MG March 15th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    “I just wanted to be on the record about it. ”

    you’re already on record that you are a baseball imbecile.

    i see you’re working on being a basketball one too.
    —————————
    that is very funny, score one for the old farts that have actually played the game in their lives and know that Kuroda wasn’t signed to compete for a spot in the rotation.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Watch that “old farts” stuff MG. Not all “old farts” smell the same. Mine is pretty bad. Randy’s just sort of sneak up on you and “BAM”…right betwen the eyes.

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Sis – no need to feed the animals. randy does quite well at being nasty without being fed material.

    ;)

  154. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “I think you are probably dealing with transferrence here when you talk about moving the football.”

    Without taking sides, that would be projection, not transference.

  155. m March 15th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Speaking of know-it-alls, I found this hilarious bit from Cafardo’s mailbag:

    What is your take on Adrian Gonzalez? Dan Shaughnessy wrote, “Gonzalez is one sour dude. Almost Nomar-esque. Nobody likes a know-it-all.” I didn’t think he was like that. Chemistry problem down the line?

    – Joe, Dartmouth

    Don’t think he’s a problem, or that he’ll create a ‘chemistry problem’ but he can come off that way. He’s very strong in his opinions about baseball.

  156. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Almonte with another bad play. In the double retreat mode.
    ——————–

    I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Wait until Ravel Santana arrives. You can call him Bolero. That will be his walk-up music…”Ravel’s Bolero”.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    rich, transferrence is an unconscious redirection of feelings from one person to another. I thought that’s what he was doing.

    But I see projection captures it.

  158. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    “Without taking sides, that would be projection, not transference.”

    thank you

    “Transference occurs when a client projects feelings toward the therapist that more legitimately belong with certain important others.”

  159. munson15 March 15th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Trisha..I love how you pull no punches. Rock on.

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Why can’t you get too worked up about ST final scores?

    Because for quite a while you’re dealing with a hodge-podge lineup and toward the later innings, with pitchers and hitters who are nowhere on the ML radar in terms of having a shot of being on the team. Oftentimes the final outcomes are determined in those later innings.

  161. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Busy day for the Lakers.

  162. CompassRosy March 15th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Sis ~

    No “feeding” intended ;-) just an example of how it can be useful.
    You just have to know who/what to follow and who/what to take with a grain of salt.

    ;-)

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Okay randy.

    So you were projecting, not transferring.

    Happy we straightened that out.

  164. blake March 15th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Axisa had an in game chat ….I guess he’s at the game….said the gun was definitely screwed up and everybody was throwing upper 80s.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    munson, thanks. :)

    If nothing else, I am direct and honest. Whether or not the outcome is pretty, with me you know you can take it to the bank as real.

  166. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Busy day for the Lakers.

    ———————

    Fisher trade was a surprise.

  167. m March 15th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    ESPN updating by the minute. Fisher is gone. :(

  168. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    If nothing else, I am direct and honest. Whether or not the outcome is pretty, with me you know you can take it to the bank as real.
    ======================
    why the constant need to tell us who you are?
    we can all see for ourselves…

  169. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    fisher trade?

  170. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    what was i projecting?

    i know it has something to do with you reminding me of lucy with the football with charly brown.

    but run that projection thing by me again.

    i have some errands to run.

    i’ll be sure to check back in.

  171. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    ok they got sessions, no longer need fisher , i get it

  172. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “I want someone with a cool name on our team this year…”

    Girardi would just distort it with an obnoxious “ie/y” nickname anyway. ;)
    ——————————–

    Too true.. can’t wait till we hear Uncle Joe’s thoughts on Piney’s outting today.

    This blog lacks Erin today. We needed gossip breaks and I have a strong feeling another would be useful right now.

    Where is Brett and his southern harlot?

  173. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    It will be interesting to see if Hill can reach his potential on a good team.

  174. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Brett Marshall just keeps looking better after each outing….regardless of who he’s facing.

  175. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    blake March 15th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Axisa had an in game chat ….I guess he’s at the game….said the gun was definitely screwed up and everybody was throwing upper 80s.
    ———————-

    Thank god you weren’t holding your breath!

  176. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Where is Brett and his southern harlot?
    =========================
    is brett up to no good again?

  177. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    “Where is Brett and his southern harlot?”

    I love the word harlot. :D

  178. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.

  179. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.
    ============================brett can you get on maury again?

  180. The Genius Maker March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    “I’ve always really liked Dickerson since he became a Yankee. He’s definitely a legit MLB outfielder.”

    I thought he was a better option than Ibanez.

    ************

    This is what I was saying when they signed Ibanez. And Dickerson can actually play solid defense on the corners. I hope I am wrong, but Ibanez is destined to be like Wynn (who I also predicted would be gone by the All Star game.

  181. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    You’d better take the one that despises you and pukes the least.

  182. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Bret,
    After you start parsing their dietary intake, it’s doubtful you’ll have a choice.

  183. jacksquat March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.

    I’m guessing their names are Lefty and Righty.

  184. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Lannan is blowful.

  185. blake March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    “Thank god you weren’t holding your breath!”

    I tried….but I passed out. He did touch 95 I think….mostly 90-92 from what’s being reporter…..which is slightly better than last outing…..still seems like he’s throwing a lot of offspeed and working on things…..he looked pretty good to me today from what I saw….lot of weak swings…..ill watch again later.

  186. m March 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    mick,

    Looks like a 3 plus a pick for 2. Fisher, Walton, Kapono to the Cavs. I have no idea who that wing player coming back is. But the Got Chalk? guy we already have is pretty decent.

  187. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Mick,

    Maury? :lol:

    DNA test negative on the last one. She duped me into consoling her parents.

  188. blake March 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    “Anything you want to know about my two charming Southern Belles? I’m having a hard time making up my mind which one I like better.”

    The one with the most teeth is usually best ;)

  189. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    The Lakers got younger which is a hood thing. I was looking forward to having Beasley though.

  190. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    m
    looks like much ado about nothing, they are going nowhere, fish a great clutch guy

  191. The Genius Maker March 15th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    I should also say that Dickerson’s offense is not very good, but I would rather him play RF against a righty and let Swisher DH than let Ibanez DH. Dickerson could also pinch run if needed late in the game if needed = more valuable than Ibanez.

  192. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    The one with the most teeth is usually best
    ========
    not what i heard

  193. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Well…. I know Paula is a better cook but Rue is an animal in the bedroom.

  194. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    good not hood

  195. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    DNA test negative on the last one.
    ======================
    good deal. don’t want to see you on Springer this time..

  196. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Tom,

    That’s actually pertinent. One’s diet is heads and shoulders above the other and she’s in much better health. Her knowledge of nutrition is spectacular as she’s well educated and already passed through pharmacology school. Both are petite but the 21 year old has the advantage of being young. She’s sweeter and more down to Earth so she does a better job of charming me. It’s a tough call!

  197. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    The Lakers got younger which is a hood thing.
    ========================
    sounded better this way

  198. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    looks like much ado about nothing,

    —————————–

    They were getting killed in the back court they had to make a move.

  199. m March 15th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    lol, Blake

    I’m still laughing. A little hillbilly humor!

  200. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    Well…. I know Paula is a better cook but Rue is an animal in the bedroom.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Paula Deen and bret are not the perfect match. Like any other time he opens his mouth, he starts talking about nutrition and they roll their eyes and run screaming into the night.

  201. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    see how nice it can be without the sniping

  202. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    What I was saying randy, is that I asked for information, you were one of the people who responded, and I thanked you for that. You came back and said you weren’t falling for the lucy with the football thing.

    I said that you were projecting, meaning that since you yourself are skilled in pulling away the football, you quickly accuse others/me of doing the same thing, when in reality that was not at all what I was doing.

  203. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    GB,

    Again you’re partially correct. Their eyes roll into the backs of their heads at night and they scream.

  204. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    we all have to leave our egos at the blog door

  205. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    They did try to get Dwill for Gasol but the Nets refused.

  206. mick March 15th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    dwill will be gone

  207. m March 15th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Dwight signs away his opt-out. No more drama until next trade deadline.

    The Nets should have taken that deal. D-Will will be slinging to Dirk next season.

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “see how nice it can be without the sniping”

    The optimal condition IMO.

  209. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    oh yea that’s a guarantee no way he stays now. He’ll probably end up in Dallas

  210. JobaTipsHisCap March 15th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    just bought a pair of 07/28 Sux game tickets through workadvantage.

  211. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    The Nets should have taken that deal.

    ——————-

    Yea they should have. At least into Brooklyn with Gasol and some young guys like Brooks

  212. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    go into*

  213. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    nets are a sinking ship

  214. m March 15th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

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    This was reported on PIX news last nite

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    I dunno where men seem to get this strange idea that women tell the truth….

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  219. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Report is Dantoni wanted to trade Melo for DWill and dolan showed him the door

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Shame, he apparently didn’t see When Harry Met Sally!

    :lol:

  221. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.
    ————————

    If the Mets turned out the kind of season the Knicks have no one would be so excited. Its sort of amazing a club that can’t even manage a .500 record is even making the back pages..

  222. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    it’s because the Knicks are more popular than the mets

  223. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “Report is Dantoni wanted to trade Melo for DWill and dolan showed him the door”

    I read a more sanitized version of that this morning. What I read was that D’Antoni asked Dolan if there was any chance that Melo could be traded and when Dolan said no, D’Antoni decided he couldn’t work there any more.

    I guess that’s the same thing, if you use Dolan showing him the door as a manner of speaking.

  224. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.
    ————————

    If the Mets turned out the kind of season the Knicks have no one would be so excited. Its sort of amazing a club that can’t even manage a .500 record is even making the back pages..

    ——————–

    NY loves their basketball :)

    The Mets have turned out seasons worse than the Knicks.

  225. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Shame, he apparently didn’t see When Harry Met Sally!

    :lol:

    ————————-

    LOL!!

    I usually save my smutty story for when Chip’s around because he always brings out the lady of the night in me somehow. But Bret reminds me of this guy I used to see sometimes that would insist on quizzing me after we hooked up. I always felt like I was on the ‘quickfire’ part of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. “Was it the best?” “Best you’ve ever gotten?” “Best of your whole life?”

    You think a girl’s gonna look at you and be like ‘Eh, I’ve had better but they don’t answer me at 1am because they have jobs.’ No. A girl just says ‘Sure!’ and then tells their girlfriends that quickfire challenges are clearly not confined to game shows.

  226. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    the mets aren’t even a NY team…they are a surburban cousin on Long Island
    sort of like the old Nets on the island
    Knicks are urban, in the heart of the City

  227. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Someday, 1970 or 1973 will return for knicks fans.

  228. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    it’s because the Knicks are more popular than the mets

    ——————–

    Its because people in NYC still like to pretend that champions play at MSG.

  229. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsp.....-williams/

  230. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    New York has always loved the bigger brother to the little brother. It’s a Yankee, Knick, Ranger, Giant town. You get history classic moments, memories, etc.

  231. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Its because people in NYC still like to pretend that champions play at MSG.
    ===============================================
    nah, they’re just not quitters…many “fans” have quit on the mets

  232. mick March 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    It’s a Yankee, Knick, Ranger, Giant town. You get history classic moments, memories, etc.
    ====================================
    no coincidence they are all the original franchises…older, more mature fanbase

  233. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    I just saw Bret’s “Southern Belle” on TV. Blonde, green dress. About 5 foot and 350 pounds. Maybe not southern belle, unless her name was Quasimoto.

  234. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Shame – :D +

  235. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I would do it but not for free.

  236. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    no coincidence they are all the original franchises…older, more mature fanbase
    —————————————
    How many Giants, Knicks, and Rangers fans have you actually met, mick?

    That’s not really the description I’d use.. maybe more like:

    Rangers fans = Suits and ties
    Knicks fans = Resigned to mediocrity
    Giants fans = From NJ

    :lol:

  237. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    mick, same thing (re: your link)

    I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.

    That would be quite a coup.

  238. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    “Knicks fans talking about the Nets? Yes, those Knicks are a real juggernaut, alright. They’re retreating faster than the Germans out of Russia in WWII.”

    I actually agree with this. Knicks fans have no standing to diss anyone, although they do have have a loyal core who are more willing to stick tough times out than any suits that have owned the team since the old Gulf and Western in the ’70s.

  239. Against All Odds March 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Exactly original franchises their is a following that those clubs have.

  240. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Shame, I’m particularly wary about anyone who feels the need to talk about conquests.

  241. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    UNC Asheville up on Syracuse at the half.

    Will they be the first 16 seed to win an NCAA round?

  242. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    “I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.

    That would be quite a coup.”

    See, now that actually would be exciting. Same for if they had gotten Lebron or someone of that magnitude (though there are obviously very few).

  243. Rich in NJ March 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    btw, I would have traded Melo for Williams, and still let D’Antoni go. Not that he had a fair shot here; he didn’t. But I prefer a defense-first hoops coach.

  244. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Shame, I’m particularly wary about anyone who feels the need to talk about conquests.
    ——————–

    On the internet. To people they don’t know.

    I haven’t seen this many red flags since the Olympics were in Beijing.

  245. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    “I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.

    That would be quite a coup.”

    See, now that actually would be exciting. Same for if they had gotten Lebron or someone of that magnitude (though there are obviously very few).

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    NY isn’t big enough for two egos the size of Jackson and Francesa, along with Ryan’s mouth.

  246. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    GB – If this city is big enough for Trump and Bloomberg its big enough for everybody.

  247. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    “I haven’t seen this many red flags since the Olympics were in Beijing.”

    LMAO!

    You are so quick Shame!!!!

  248. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Talk to y’all later.

    A kindler, gentler forum is a very nice thing to continue to reach for.

    :)

  249. Nilsson March 15th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    The 1990s, especially early 90s, was a glorious time to be a Knicks fan. It’s just that cat named Jordan was in the way.

    Syracuse playing like crap. Very interested to see this second half.

  250. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    “I have been reading reports about the possibility of Phil Jackson going to the Knicks.

    That would be quite a coup.”

    See, now that actually would be exciting. Same for if they had gotten Lebron or someone of that magnitude (though there are obviously very few).

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    NY isn’t big enough for two egos the size of Jackson and Francesa, along with Ryan’s mouth.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Hire Fraiser.

  251. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Ewing was the man.

  252. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
    Ewing was the man.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    From those ’70 teams, hard to beat a healthy Willis Reed and Dollar Bill.

    However, I was referring to Fraiser Craine.

  253. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    I’m in the quarter century range, GB, so I don’t remember those older Knicks clubs.

    When you said Fraiser, I was imagining Kelsey Grammar at the helm.

    Jordan is really the first great bball player I can remember watching play. I always liked Shaq more, but I think it had something to do with that movie Kazaam.

  254. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    “Paula Deen and bret are not the perfect match. Like any other time he opens his mouth, he starts talking about nutrition and they roll their eyes and run screaming into the night.”

    didn’t she like sign up with a pharmaceutical company to endorse their diabetic drug after she hid her diabetes for years when her food show pushed unhealthy eating ?

    what a hypocrite .

  255. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Chad,

    Is Jose Gil your biggest shocker in camp, or, are you staying with the young pitchers? I think he could have moved up sooner, except for who he had to fight over the years.

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  257. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Shame Spencer March 15th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    I’m in the quarter century range, GB, so I don’t remember those older Knicks clubs.

    When you said Fraiser, I was imagining Kelsey Grammar at the helm.

    Jordan is really the first great bball player I can remember watching play. I always liked Shaq more, but I think it had something to do with that movie Kazaam.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Back in the day, the best entertainment baseketball was Chamberlain/Greer against Russell/Havlicek. Celts just had too much for Wilt to cover.

  258. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    GB7,
    And the rest of the Champion Knicks:
    7 Dean Meminger 10 Walt Frazier 12 Dick Barnett 15 Earl Monroe 17 Henry Bibby 18 Phil Jackson 19 Willis Reed (Finals MVP) 22 Dave DeBusschere 24 Bill Bradley 32 Jerry Lucas 40 John Gianelli 43 Harthorne Wingo
    Head coach Red Holzman

  259. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Tom,

    Jerry Lucas may have been the most under rated HOFer in basketball. He was sensational. Possibly the equal of Jerry West.

  260. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Tom,

    No doubt that Earl Monroe coming over from the Bullets in ’71 really completed that team.

  261. tomingeorgia March 15th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    GB7,
    And better yet, most of them could actually read. Loved DeBusschere, too. Tough guy. Dollar Bill turned out OK. The Pearl was my favorite, though. Watched him live in Baltimore in an empty arena. He and Walt were pieces of work.

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    People on this blog do not know you, your level of baseball experience etc., just as you lack the knowledge of what experience and knowledge the bloggers you direct comments towards.

    I’d wager active ball players have little or zero knowledge of what transpires within the NY Yankees organization, and I’d go further and say players on the Yankees 40 man have little to no knowledge of the Yankees front office thinking and plans. Yet, you, and outsider, who have been out of baseball for many years, want us to believe you have your hand on the pulse of what’s going on within the Yankees organization, or any other organization. The truth is you are simply guessing.

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    I don’t know about you, but people I call close friends, I speak with on a regular basis, and people I speak to once in two years are generally considered casual acquaintances.

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