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Thursday notes: “I don’t expect miracles”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Both Joe Girardi and Freddy Garcia said pretty much the same thing today: It’s just too early to know anything for certain. Garcia had his right hand heavily wrapped this morning, but he’s still not sure how much time he’ll have to miss after being hit by a comebacker on Wednesday.

“Right now I don’t think about it,” Garcia said, “because I went to the hospital yesterday, they took x-rays and everything is fine. So, I just have to wait. I move my fingers good, so I don’t think I have to have any problems.”

Girardi said he’s expecting at least one more day of treatment. The injury seems to be close to the same spot where Eduardo Nunez has experienced soreness for a week and a half now.

“I don’t expect miracles,” Girardi said. “When you’ve got swelling in your hand, it’s going to take time to get rid of it. I’m not going to scratch him, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t make his next start on his day. Maybe a couple of days later or something.”

• The entire Yankees rotation is supposed to get an extra day of rest next time through.

• Two more notes about Michael Pineda’s fastball: 1) Girardi said he hasn’t seen any signs of Pineda trying to overthrow just to reach 95, and 2) Pineda said he’s much more focused on hitting his spots than hitting the mid-90s.

• Russell Martin on Pineda’s fastball: “I think he was like 88-90 in Clearwater, so it’s coming along. I’m not worried about it. I just want to see the guy pitch. He’s a pitcher like anybody else out there. I just wanted to see him execute pitches. His velocity, he has it in him, it’s just a matter of time. As soon as you put on your uniform, you’re in New York and you get the juices flowing, the velocity is going to pick up no matter what.”

• And if you’re looking for more fastball specifics: “(Pineda) was a little inconsistent trying to throw his fastball away to right-handers. It looked like he was pulling off a little bit.” Martin said it’s an easy thing to correct and could be fixed in a single bullpen.

• Ramiro Pena was trying to steal second base, and just as he went into his slide, his spike stuck in the dirt. That’s when he sprained his right ankle, not when he actually made contact with the bag. He estimated that he’ll miss only two or three days, but Girardi said that might be optimistic. “We’ll see about that,” Girardi said. “I imagine it’s going to be pretty sore tomorrow. Sometimes adrenaline helps you out in a situation like that.”

• Nick Swisher told Girardi that his tight groin didn’t get any worse last night, and he was fine when he came to the stadium this morning. Girardi hopes to have Swisher in the lineup tomorrow.

Other injury updates:

Dave Robertson was scheduled to play catch today and on track to throw a bullpen this weekend.
Russell Branyan still hasn’t played this spring and is getting an epidural for his sore back.
George Kontos threw another batting practice.
Manny Delcarmen is throwing off a half mound.

• The Nationals announced a strained hamstring for Chien-Ming Wang, who stumbled trying to cover first base. It’s obviously a tough break for a guy who finally seemed to be healthy and effective again.

• Martin was knocked down on the play that left Wang injured. “It happened in slow motion,” Martin said. “It was weird. I tucked pretty good. If I had fell differently, it could have been worse. I kind of just rolled with it. It’s the ninja coming out right there.”

• Apparently the Yankees saved all of their excitement for after the media was down in the clubhouse. They won the game 8-5, having rallied with four runs in the seventh and two runs in the eighth. Jose Gil is hitting .750 this spring and had a two-run single. Melky Mesa and Bill Hall both doubled in the game. Hall and Justin Maxwell each had two hits, continuing a nice spring for Maxwell (he’s hitting .375 with two stolen bases). Maxwell, Jayson Nix and Andruw Jones each stole a bag today.

• Clay Rapada pitched into and out of some trouble, but finished with 1.1 scoreless innings. Mike O’Connor and Adam Warren combined for a scoreless ninth. In between, Brett Marshall allowed two runs in 2.1 innings and Juan Cedeno was charged with a run in his two-thirds of an inning.

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84 Responses to “Thursday notes: “I don’t expect miracles””

  1. BoJo March 15th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    The Nationals announced a strained hamstring for Chien-Ming Wang, who stumbled trying to cover first base.
    ———–
    Scouting report: He can pitch but he can’t run.

    Good luck CMW!

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    “Where did he say this? So far all he has said is that his fastball will come, not that this is part of some overarching plan to not touch his average velocity from last year.”

    I don’t believe that I said that he said this is part of some overarching plan to not touch his average velocity from last year. How did you get that from my post saying he said he was starting off slow with his fastball and would build up?

  3. MaineYankee March 15th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    MTU March 15th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    Maine-

    It isn’t lyme disease

    ———————————————————–

    There are other things that cause that besides LD.

    I was just wondering because you are having trouble ridding yourself of it that’s all.

  4. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Because the way you have implied it, he said he is starting off slow on purpose and planning to build it up. Rather than the other way it could be read, that he is starting off slow because he simply cannot reach his velocity, which is a much different and more concerning read.

    So if he said its his plan to start slow, then post the quote.

  5. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    “I’m starting off slow this spring, to conserve energy and what not” is different from “I am starting off slow this spring, but I am confident my velocity will come.”

    The latter is his reaction to something out of his control. The former is an active plan. You said yourself you didn’t care about his velocity because you’d rather he do the smart thing and save energy, but from the quotes it appears he is only throwing soft because he can’t do otherwise.

  6. MaineYankee March 15th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    repost

    GB7

    Watch Animal Planet at 9 tommorrow night.

    They are doing a show about Maine game wardens.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    “Because the way you have implied it, ”

    I implied nothing. I stated what he said. Read into it what you will. I don’t care.

    Perhaps someone else wants to spar wiith you tonigiht. I have no desire to.

    Next.

  8. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    “Power pitchers start off slow” is a platitude you say when your power pitcher has velocity concerns, while lots of other power pitchers are already at their normal velocity.

  9. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    I implied nothing. I stated what he said. Read into it what you will. I don’t care.

    Perhaps someone else wants to spar wiith you tonigiht. I have no desire to.

    Next.

    Ok so Pineda can’t throw hard because he cannot physically do it right now. How is that supposed to be reassuring? And you still haven’t posted the actual quote. Show me state and all.

  10. MTU March 15th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Maine-

    Appreciate the concern.

    I thought you were kidding.

    No. I haven’t been out enough recently for anything like that.

    I just haven’t been sick in a long time and my immune system is taking a while to adjust because of it.

    I’m feeling a lot better lately. Just being careful not to do too much too soon again.

    Hope you are feeling better too and recovering well.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “I’m starting off slow this spring, to conserve energy and what not” is different from “I am starting off slow this spring, but I am confident my velocity will come.”

    I suppose you can imagine what you want. I imagine a pitcher who is conserving energy likely thinks to himself that with more energy comes more velo.

    But I can tell you this. I’m not worried about the beast. If you need to, have at. Or don’t.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    As soon as Rothschild, Pineda, and Girardi are worried, I’ll worry.

    I don’t borrow trouble.

  13. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    I suppose you can imagine what you want. I imagine a pitcher who is conserving energy likely thinks to himself that with more energy comes more velo.

    If he was conserving energy as part of a plan his own Manager would not be concerned with his velocity and he would be able to reach his average velocity. He cannot do it in the game right now.

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Anyone know Wang’s prognosis? I hope to God the guy has something extremely minor.

  15. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    They’re saying the same stuff they said about Hughes last year. Not “we’re not worried.”

    “He was up to 92 today,” Girardi said. “I know that’s going to be talked about a lot. It’s his third start. We still have time to get his fastball where we need it to be. Because of what we went through with Hughes, I think everybody is much more concerned about velocity this year than we were in the past. Power pitchers, over the years, have taken a while to get going. I hope it continues to improve, but that’s just something we have to wait and see and evaluate.”

    Wait and see and evaluate is not ‘everything is a-ok.’, because there is a need to wait and see and evaluate.

  16. MTU March 15th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Trisha-

    Strained hamstring. Hopefully not too serious.

  17. MaineYankee March 15th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    MTU

    Hope you are feeling better too and recovering well.

    ——————————————————————————————-

    I’m afraid this is something I’m stuck with.

    Because of what I’ve been thru I’m more aware of things like that when I hear someone having symptoms that might point in that direction.

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    There’s no denying that Pineda is happy. His fastball was once again in the low 90s, but he seems perfectly unconcerned about that. His slider is beginning to look as good as advertised, but that’s to be expected.

    “That’s my baby,” Pineda said. “I threw a very good slider today, but I’m very excited because my changeup was great. I threw a lot of changeups today and felt comfortable. … Last year, I didn’t throw a lot of changeups, so this year, I’m focused a little more on my changeup and making a good pitch all the time. I’m not worried about my fastball. I don’t know how my fastball is right now, but it feels good.”

    That’s the progress the Yankees were hoping to see.

    Said Pineda: “I know I haven’t thrown my fastball (like) last year, but my fastball is coming. More throwing in the game, my fastball is coming.”

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    jerkface – worry.

    I’m not.

    Choices.

  20. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Yea as I said, he can’t throw it because he simply cannot. Which is where the concern comes in.

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Thanks about Wang.

  22. MTU March 15th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Thanks Maine.

    Your concern is much appreciated.

    Didn’t you take a fall recently ?

    I was kinda referring to that.

    Maybe I am mistaken.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    “Yea as I said, he can’t throw it because he simply cannot. Which is where the concern comes in.”

    Uh huh.

    :D

  24. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    These things aren’t exact sciences….just because Pineda came out throwing 95 last soring doesn’t mean he will this year and it also doesn’t mean he wont get there as we go……his main goal was to work oj his change up this spring……if hew healthy the arm strength should get there…….and I have to think he’s healthy after seeing those nasty slide pieces today.

  25. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    If he could actually throw at his real velocity right now his manager & pitching coach wouldn’t be monitoring the situation.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Uh huh.

    :D

  27. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Do you think Pineda could throw at his average velocity in a game right now?

  28. Tar March 15th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    “Uh huh.”

    Hi Trish. :D

  29. m March 15th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I think if he could, he would JF.

    But trisha has made it clear that she doesn’t want to get into a long drawn out conversation about it. hint hint.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    What does it matter what I think?

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Hi Tar!

    :D

    Did you get to watch The Beast at all? Pure beast, I tell you!

  32. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    “Do you think Pineda could throw at his average velocity in a game right now?”

    Probably not….but there still is no real reason to believe he wont get there during the season….

  33. m March 15th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Oi! Trade tracker showing Fisher + a pick to Houston for C-Jordan Hill. Whoever was doing updates at espn.com must have been drinking.

  34. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I think if he could, he would JF.

    But trisha has made it clear that she doesn’t want to get into a long drawn out conversation about it. hint hint.

    This is my point, but Trisha seems to not see it that way. Its all out of our hands, but the manner in which she is directing the conversation implied she thought he could. She said Pineda said he doesn’t start off at his max velo, but works up to it. That is not what he said. Its just a distortion of the facts that I like to fix :) And of course the quotes she provided did not actually provide evidence to support her own point.

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    blake – I’d like to take credit for the following but I didn’t say it. But I definitely agree with it.

    Last year when he broke in with the mariners he played winter ball too. He was pitching all year long so he probably had his arm strength built up already. He didn’t pitch this past winter so it seems like he needs more time to have it develop. You don’t all of a sudden go from throwing 95-96 to 89-91 in less than a year.

    And since I didn’t say it, I’m not going to answer questions about it. But if anyone wants the email address of the person who said it or the website it’s on so you can go there and have a back-and-forth, I will get you that information.

  36. Triple Short of a Cycle March 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Probably not….but there still is no real reason to believe he wont get there during the season….

    ————————————————————————————–

    We have been through this before with many of our other pitchers and they never wind up getting there.

    If its not a problem why is Cash and Joe monitoring it?

  37. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Last year when he broke in with the mariners he played winter ball too. He was pitching all year long so he probably had his arm strength built up already. He didn’t pitch this past winter so it seems like he needs more time to have it develop. You don’t all of a sudden go from throwing 95-96 to 89-91 in less than a year.

    Pineda did not throw winter ball, so we can just toss this comment right out. And you know who said Pineda didn’t throw winter ball? Pineda himself, and you love what players say.

  38. Tar March 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “Did you get to watch The Beast at all? Pure beast, I tell you!

    No I just got home. I got caught up on the blog and will watch the game soon.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    I’m macro jerkface. You’re minimicro. We don’t talk the same language. You obsess over things that may not require obssession. I don’t.

    So find someone here who’s just like you and obsess together.

    Obsessing doesn’t make you right. It just makes you neurotic.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    HEY TRIPLE! CHAT WITH JERKFACE!!!

    :D

  41. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    “We have been through this before with many of our other pitchers and they never wind up getting there.”

    This stuff happens with every franchise….its just that nobody cares when its other franchises……why is Halladay throwing 87 this spring when he’s apparently healthy? Pitching is a complicated thing

  42. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Circle jerking is fun for 5 minutes. I’d rather talk to someone that goes against my own thinking. No one is obsessing over anything.

  43. m March 15th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Meh. When they say they’re not worried at all-then it’s time to worry.

    Marchand is actually tweeting, blogging, writing that there’s a silver lining here. He’s developing his changeup now. If and when the velocity does return to go along with his 2nd & 3rd pitches, then you could have another true ace.

  44. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    This stuff happens with every franchise….its just that nobody cares when its other franchises……why is Halladay throwing 87 this spring when he’s apparently healthy?

    Except for the fans of those franchises. Like when Brian MAtusz lost all his velocity. Philly fans are worried about Halladay. He is 35 with a lot of mileage on the arm. Pitching is a mysterious thing, but that mystery doesn’t mean Pineda is automatically going to get back to where he was. He’ll still probably be real effective in the low 90s, but the Yankees traded for a 95 mph flamethrower.

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    http://www.washingtontimes.com.....lowing-in/

    :(

    Damn.

    I am going to pray tonight, literally, that his tests come back okay. If anyone deserves a break, it’s sure him.

    Anyone else who believes in prayer might want to join in.

  46. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Detroit fans are pretty bummed about Turner.

  47. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    JF,

    Sure….but again if Pindeda is healthy there is no reason why he would lose velocity at 23……Hughes was about the worst case you’ll see of this innings hangover stuff that can happen and he got it back by the end of the year..

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    mel – I will address this to you because I know I won’t have to get into any protracted discussion once I post it as an opinion. I truly believe that Pineda is concentrating on perfecting his other pitch(es) and therefore is not focused on his fastball. We’ve seen that before, where a pitcher starts to concentrate on something he’s worked on with the pitching coach and sometimes his other pitches may suffer for a while do to the concentration on the new pitch. Especially with younger kids.

    That said, I fully expect his velocity to amp up once he is in a pure integration mode.

    Since there is nothing to say I am incorrect, we just have to wait and see.

  49. Benny Blanco March 15th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    I know what happen to Pineda’s velocity; Randy stole it!!! :)

  50. m March 15th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Pineda is not as ineffective as Hughes or Turner were with tendinitis.

    I’m sure that structurally Pineda is fine as he had to pass a physical (not sure how deep they dug).

    But if he loses velocity temporarily and is still throwing at 93~94, I think he can get away with it…as long as there is no physical issue.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 15th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    “as long as there is no physical issue.”

    Agree.

  52. GreenBeret7 March 15th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    MaineYankee March 15th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    repost

    GB7

    Watch Animal Planet at 9 tommorrow night.

    They are doing a show about Maine game wardens.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks, Maine. I gotta tell you, though, I can’t imagine anything gamier than a bunch of Maine animal trackers in red and black checked flannel out in the woods for a week.

  53. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    m,

    I agree….obviously they want the guy that throws 95-98 that they traded for…..and I think that guy will be there this year….but even if he takes awhile for his velocity to come around he can still be really successful at 92-93 with his size and downward plane, his slider, his command, and with a developing changeup…..he got a lot of bad swings today throwing 91 just because of how live his stuff is even at lower velocites.

  54. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource
    As someone pointed out before, this isn’t like Hughes with reduced velo, Pineda has out pitches he can go to with low velo.
    2h

    Yankeesource Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource
    I think Pineda will be fine velocity-wise in a few starts. M’s scout said he wasn’t trying to amp up velo today and he’s seen him a lot.

  55. PacoDooley March 15th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    So if Ibanez finishes ST with an OPS under .200 does he really make the team? His OPS is at .208 (he’s slugging 0.125). I never understood the signing in the first place when it was unlikely that he would outperform in house options like Dickerson or Maxwell. Personally, I had also hoped that they would pass on Jones as well…

  56. PacoDooley March 15th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Pineda is still wracking up the SOs, so I am not worried. His velocity will build and he will have a great year with his improving change up.

  57. blake March 15th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    “So if Ibanez finishes ST with an OPS under .200 does he really make the team? ”

    yea he’ll make the team….but I doubt they’ll give him much more than April if he doesn’t hit.

  58. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Baseball related news….Joe Magrane’s daughter Shannon just eliminated from American Idol.

  59. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    who cares, I know…

  60. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    So if Ibanez finishes ST with an OPS under .200 does he really make the team? His OPS is at .208 (he’s slugging 0.125). I never understood the signing in the first place when it was unlikely that he would outperform in house options like Dickerson or Maxwell.
    ====================
    It’s the budget my man or they just don’t care about the DH.

  61. ron March 15th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Michael Pineda wasn’t excited, and he couldn’t hide it.

    “Awesome,” he said. “My changeup today, ooph, it was great.”

    That’s right. Ooph. Pineda needed some sort of sound for emphasis, and he went with ooph. The changeup is the pitch the Yankees have asked Pineda to improve, and it’s looking more like a legitimate weapon. Both Pineda and Joe Girardi estimated that he threw at least 10 of them today.

    “It was really good,” Russell Martin said. “He got a bunch of strikes on it, a bunch of swings and misses, got a punchout and a first-pitch ground ball to second base. A lot of positive things coming out of that pitch today. … When you work on something and you see results quickly, it’s encouraging. I think he’s happy with that.”

    There’s no denying that Pineda is happy. His fastball was once again in the low 90s, but he seems perfectly unconcerned about that. His slider is beginning to look as good as advertised, but that’s to be expected.

    “That’s my baby,” Pineda said. “I threw a very good slider today, but I’m very excited because my changeup was great. I threw a lot of changeups today and felt comfortable. … Last year, I didn’t throw a lot of changeups, so this year, I’m focused a little more on my changeup and making a good pitch all the time. I’m not worried about my fastball. I don’t know how my fastball is right now, but it feels good.”

    That’s the progress the Yankees were hoping to see.

    Very nice to hear.

    It looks like pineda might develop a better changeup,quicker than some thought.

    The good news is,not only pineda is saying his changeup looked real good.
    He is also getting results with it.

  62. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Is an off speed pitch a changeup?
    It has the effect of one. A curve is technically a change as it varies the speed.

  63. RMS March 15th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Why are so many posters worried about Pineda’s velocity? It’s only spring training, give it a rest.

  64. Mike_Boston March 15th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    JF,
    I don’t get the velo concerns with Pineda. He’s made 3 starts, improving velo each time out, while working on location and the CU. Let’s talk in April if he’s still at 91. It’s better than the TRADE talk but it’s not like there is any hint of an injury or any issue at all. He’s been the best starter on the staff to date.

  65. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    People are worried because some blogger advanced an agenda and some bought it.

  66. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    It has the effect of one. A curve is technically a change as it varies the speed.

    The difference is that a change up moves in a way that specifically counters batters of the opposing handedness, while Curves are generally more effective against batters of the same handedness, due to the break. Same with sliders. And that the change up is thrown with the same arm action as the fastball, making it more deceptive, where a curve ball needs more movement or else its just a really bad slow pitch.

  67. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Good thing is: Pineda hasn’t bought into it as he probably doesn’t follow the blog or the rags that have these agendas.

  68. mick March 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    True that the curve and slider from Pineda will be more effective vs rightys.
    Maybe Mo should teach him the cutter.
    In reality, it sounds as if he is falling in love with the CU, which could be a bad thing.

  69. randy l. March 15th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “Did you get to watch The Beast at all? Pure beast, I tell you!”

    that sounds like you are comparing pineda to an animal.

    would you call joba a beast or hughes?

    i don’t get it.

  70. blake March 15th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Just watching the playback of Pineda today and I also think he might be leaving a little velocity on the table mechanically right now as he’s not quite staying closed with his front shoulder…..it’s also why he’s yanking a lot of fastball away to righties….in addtion to building the arm strength sometimes is takes tall guys a little extra time to get their deliveries in sink so that the actually can throw as hard as they are capable…..maybe a bit of that is going on as well…..

  71. stuckey March 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Randy, you’re sinking to new lows.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.3377425

  72. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Randy I pray for your sake that crow has an ideal fatty acid profile and nutrient composition.

  73. Bret The Hitman March 15th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    I have a feeling you’re going to be eating alot of it, breakfast, lunch, dinner, desert and snacks in between.

  74. G. Love March 15th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    If it doesn’t worry you to read Yankee people saying he doesn’t need velocity to be a good pitcher in this league then you really are above it all. When Hughes lost his he was a mess on the mound. When Mussina lost his he had his worst season until he reinvented himself as a pitcher. When Javy Vazquez lost his, he was the scourge of the Bronx.

    Seeing Girardi and Martin talking about hitting his spots to be a good pitcher in this league is a red flag to me.

    We didn’t trade Montero for Greg Maddux. We traded him for Pedro, Felix, etc.

    If he sits at 90-92 early in the season he could get demolished in Yankee stadium.

  75. Ys Guy March 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    stupid west virginia had to blow my streak i was 9-9 until then now ive lost 2 in a row!

  76. blake March 15th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    G. Love,

    Yea I get that….but 3 starts into spring training isn’t time to hit the panic button yet. If he’s throwing 91-92 by opening day then we’ll have to wonder if he’s 1)totally healthy 2) if he’s got some Verducci effect going on. The latter generally is a temporary problem…..either way it’s too early to worry too much about it.

  77. Ys Guy March 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    if amare feels like a beast why is he playing like a pu….i mean a kitty?

  78. Baseball Mogul March 15th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    stupid west virginia had to blow my streak i was 9-9 until then now ive lost 2 in a row!

    ————————————

    Ditto. UConn isn’t helping my cause either.

  79. RadioKev March 15th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Pineda did throw 32 IP more in 2011 than he did the previous year. I think that actually is Verducci effect range..

  80. Chien-Ming Vase March 15th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    pineda threw well, and a little faster than last time. that’s a good outing for early camp in my book. he’s doing fine.

  81. tucker March 15th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Certain pitchers have effective breaking balls that counteract opposite facing hitters. Think of CC’s slider that breaks down and in to right-handed hitters. That is an uncomfortable pitch for right-handed hitters.

  82. Jerkface March 15th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Certain pitchers have effective breaking balls that counteract opposite facing hitters. Think of CC’s slider that breaks down and in to right-handed hitters. That is an uncomfortable pitch for right-handed hitters.

    Being able to back foot righties is part of why CC is such a good pitcher. Pineda’s slider can do the same thing, and lefties already have trouble with it.

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