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Banuelos among first cuts

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Its minor news on such a busy day, but the Yankees made their first round of cuts today.

LHP Manny Banuelos
RHP Dan Burawa
RHP Adam Miller
RHP Brett Marshall
RHP Ryan Pope
RHP Graham Stoneburner
RHP Chase Whitley
2B Corban Joseph
2B David Adams
C Gary Sanchez
C/3B J.R. Murphy
C Kyle Higashioka
OF Zoilo Almonte
OF Melky Mesa

UPDATE, 5:33 p.m.: To clarify, all of these players were simply reassigned to the minor league complex except the guys who are on the 40-man. They had to be optioned to a specific level.

Adams and Almonte were optioned to Double-A Trenton.

Joseph and Mesa were optioned to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

Those assignments can change between now and Opening Day, but that’s where those four are assigned for now.

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213 Responses to “Banuelos among first cuts”

  1. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Saw the first two innings of Hughes.

    He looks good.

    Can’t believe Pettitte decided to give it another go.

    I will say this. When he retired I still thought he had something left in the tank.

    I hope that’s still the case. Great to have him back.

  2. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 16th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Andy needed a year to clear out his mind. Now he has the eye of the tiger and is going to rise to the challenger. If his body holds out, we will have a major bargain in Andy at 2.5 million. Now that’s a deal for the NYY!

  3. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Andy is going to take the all time Yankees wins record in the next 3 years. The dummy shouldn’t have gone to the Stros.

  4. mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    didnt andy leave because of the clemens trial?

  5. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Melkmanisinhotlanta March 16th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Andy needed a year to clear out his mind.

    ———————-

    Andy needed a year to not have to answer awkward questions about a certain trial.

    Lol, I can already tell I’m going to be taking up randy’s mantle as resident trouble-maker regarding this issue.

    I’ll behave though… I will try.

  6. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Pettitte has been the type of guy to stay in shape year round.

    Someone told me he threw a BP for the Yankees before they came to terms.

    If that’s true he can’t be in that bad of a shape.

  7. mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    I knew when he came back 2 weeks ago he had this in mind.
    As it was, the whole thing was kept quiet from back in Dec when he spoke to Cash and was offered 10-12m.

  8. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    The Clemens trial is scheduled for 4/16 so it’s hardly a backburner issue.

    It’s gonna be front and center real soon.

  9. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    I just wish that Pettitte would have made this decision in December.

  10. mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    The Clemens trial is scheduled for 4/16 so it’s hardly a backburner issue.
    ================
    Maybe Andy doesn’t care anymore

  11. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Andy needed a year to not have to answer awkward questions about a certain trial.

    _______

    ummmmm…..

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....y-debunked

  12. mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    I just wish that Pettitte would have made this decision in December.
    ==================================
    Then no Kuroda.

  13. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I get it.. I just don’t buy it.

  14. blake March 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Andy has said several times since he retired that he thought he was just learning how to pitch and how to control his delivery in 2010…..I still didn’t think he’d come back.

    Kinda glad they are sending Manny down…..there really is no reason to keep him up and last year I think it messed his routine up heading in to the season.

  15. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    I just wish that Pettitte would have made this decision in December.
    ==================================
    Then no Kuroda.

    —————

    Going out on a limb.. I don’t think that’s what Rich was referencing lol.

  16. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Shame Spencer

    Is your dislike for Andy based on a rumored indiscretion that was only found in one paper?

  17. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Shame is right…because offense wins….

  18. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    blake – I thought he looked great in 2010 too, and sort of couldn’t believe he left us hanging after that whole Cliff Lee thing fell through considering how good he looked at the end of the season after that injury.

  19. mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    care to share shame?

  20. mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    what does this have to do with montero?
    they were still making that deal

  21. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Having Pettitte around is like having a walking encylopedia on the hitter’s in the AL East and just about any playoff team we are likely to face.

    We have a young Pitching staff and what guy is better equipped to mentor them all.

    Is anyone a better competitor ?

    All positives.

    You want to be the best. Learn from the best.

  22. MG March 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    blake March 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Andy has said several times since he retired that he thought he was just learning how to pitch and how to control his delivery in 2010…..I still didn’t think he’d come back.

    Kinda glad they are sending Manny down…..there really is no reason to keep him up and last year I think it messed his routine up heading in to the season.
    ————————-
    blake, the 2010 version of Andy was the best I’ve ever seen him pitch. He was painting the outside corner with his fastball to right handed batters and changing speeds with precision. His cutter was also outstanding-you can always tell when his back is bothering him because his cutter suffers because he can’t get through the pitch at the release to get the sharp late break.

    He has to know it’s still there or he wouldn’t have signed a contract, that is the only plausible reason for him to do so when there are no incentives and it’s 1/4 of the original contract offered in December.

  23. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Maine – I’d rather not rehash that though I know there are still plenty of people that honestly believed the Yankees thought Jared Wright would be a better option than Andy Pettite.

  24. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    My opinions of Andy are well documented on the blog. I still think it makes our team better… it could mess with our younger guys to some degree, but that’s obviously just speculation.

    Then again, I also thought Roger 2.0 was a good idea. Lets hope this goes better than that.

  25. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    shame-you don’t remember the younger version of Andy, do you?

  26. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    “what does this have to do with montero?
    they were still making that deal”

    How do you know that? But if true, omg, the humanity.

  27. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    shame-you don’t remember the younger version of Andy, do you?

    ——————

    Um… yes. These are the Yankees I grew up with.

    Why does that matter, though? Are we getting that version?

  28. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    The stare is back.

    :)

  29. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    then you don’t like him because he used his family as an excuse?

  30. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Blake-

    what did you think of Hughes today ?

    Looks terrific doesn’t he ?

    :)

  31. sammiejohnson March 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “what does this have to do with montero?
    they were still making that deal”

    I am not so sure about that.

  32. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Why does that matter, though? Are we getting that version?
    ================
    Like I said, I think he was just reaching his peak as a pitcher when he left.

  33. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    MOntero has been shopped for over a year.

  34. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    It seems to me if Cashman was offering Pettitte substantial money in December, but also focusing on Felix, who costs a lot of money, the trade talks would have ended if Pettitte took the offer.

  35. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    How do you know that?
    =================
    Like any opinion in here it is stated like fact.

  36. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Sometimes when it rains it pours in pitchers not buckets.

    :)

  37. lounge lizard March 16th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    As a carryover comment from the prior conversation: if WAR, and dWAR in particular, were what they purport to be, then they would have value in the real world, in arbitration proceedings. They don’t, for good reason.

  38. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    We were not getting Felix.
    We settled for Pineda.
    Jack Z. knew this all along.

  39. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    Maine – I’d rather not rehash that though I know there are still plenty of people that honestly believed the Yankees thought Jared Wright would be a better option than Andy Pettite.

    ——————————————————–

    I wasn’t asking in order to have a gotcha moment.

    I was trying to remember if it was you that had a problem with Andy for that reason.

  40. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    “It seems to me if Cashman was offering Pettitte substantial money in December, but also focusing on Felix, who costs a lot of money, the trade talks would have ended if Pettitte took the offer.”

    An interesting theory somewhat dependent on Jack Zduriencik not knowing how to make outgoing calls.

  41. Nilsson March 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Pettitte needs to tell Mo that retirement is overrated. Particularly if you’re still at the top of your game. Glad to have him back. Experienced southpaw arm like Andy’s is good any time, but especially welcome sight in postseason.

  42. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    “We were not getting Felix.
    We settled for Pineda.
    Jack Z. knew this all along.”

    Why keep talking if the money had already been spent on Pettitte?

  43. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Pettitte needs to tell Mo that retirement is overrated.
    =====================
    It was reported that Mo talked Andy back into playing.
    Now it’s Andy’s turn.
    Maybe worth the 2.5 m they payed him.

  44. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Why keep talking if the money had already been spent on Pettitte?
    ==============
    You think they were still talking about Felix?

  45. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I don’t see how anyone could be anything but happy at the prospect of having Andy Frickin’ Pettitte
    back pitching for the NYY’s.

    That’s like the Greeks convincing Achilles to fight in a battle.

    Add him to the mix and the battle is over.

    :)

  46. BX33 March 16th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    “I just wish that Pettitte would have made this decision in December.”

    Yep, then it could have saved our elite young hitter

    Now we have a ton of pitchers we have no room for that won’t bring back anywhere near the caliber player of Montero – and they have guys making big $$$ who are all similar – Garcia, Kuroda, Andy, old guys with no long term future here that will block a young pitcher (at least one) this year and cost us trading Jesus

    This is like the Patriots or Packers adding another elite WR after already adding 3 on the offseason, knowing all can’t get on the field at the same time.

  47. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Pettitte doesn’t have to talk to Mo. He can see for himself. I think he will make the right decision, whatever it is.

  48. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    what does this have to do with montero?
    they were still making that deal

    ————————

    Let’s say Andy announces his comeback sooner. You mean to tell me they still make the trade even if the rotation was CC, Nova, Andy, Hughes and Garcia. I don’t see it especially since Aj would have still been on the roster at that point.

  49. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    This Andy thing has nothing to do with Monero

  50. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    “You think they were still talking about Felix?”

    I think there was no reason to acquire a pitcher for Montero if Pettitte had been signed, and if they were so freakin’ determined to burn trade him, they should have looked at what they really need, another young impact bat who can play a corner OF or 3B/SS.

  51. blake March 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    “Looks terrific doesn’t he ?”

    si senor. Very good….very efficient…..about as good as we could have hoped for so far.

  52. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Here comes another ring.

    Just hope that Pettitte stays healthy.

    :)

  53. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    if WAR, and dWAR in particular, were what they purport to be, then they would have value in the real world, in arbitration proceedings. They don’t, for good reason.

    Have you been in an arbitration proceeding? They might not now, but in the future they may.

  54. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Andy is not a sure thing.
    Even Cash admits he is worried about Andy’s legs and back.

  55. Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    “Andy needed a year to not have to answer awkward questions about a certain trial.”

    Like how Cashman is going to be hounded by the media about his divorce?

  56. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    We had some fun with Randy few weeks back (and rightfully so) about his butterfly effect-based theory on Billy Martin and Chien Ming Wang’s sinker.

    Suggesting that Andy Pettitte signing in December would have ultimately prevented Seattle from ever offering the Yankees Pineda for Montero is not to far off from that.

    If Seattle had a player they liked and an offer to make, no reason they couldn’t pick up the phone.

    So what do you guys think the world would be like if Hitler was never born..?

    Ooooh….?????

  57. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    What’s a sure thing, mick?

  58. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Blake-

    He’s a Man on a mission.

    Touched 94 today, and it’s only halfway thru ST.

    Everything looks better.

    :)

  59. austinmac March 16th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Having had to work all day, I missed out on the Pettitte talk. I presume he is returning to try to start. Hughes pitched well today. Garcia has been pitching well and should be back. So what is the plan? Would he be ready by early to mid-May? Does he still have the ability and arm at his age after missing a year? I have my doubts.

  60. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    a sure thing is a continuation of andy’s career as he left off.
    his health is a concern.
    the best 5 pitchers will pitch.
    can’t have enough of it, it’s fragile you know.

  61. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Right, mick, so there are no sure things, especially with pitchers, which is why you try to buy them as cheaply as possible.

  62. blake March 16th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    MTU,

    Yea….he’s working fast….throwing strikes with all his pitches….arm speed looks good……I still don’t know if he currently has that swing and miss go to pitch …..but he looks good.

  63. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Mac-

    We’ll find out. I’m optimistic as usual.

    My take is the extra rest will leave him even stronger for his half season’s worth of work.

    He didn’t forget how to pitch.

    He didn’t forget how to compete.

    He didn’t forget how to mentor.

    Achilles has returned to the battlefront.

    If he stays healthy the war is already won.

    :)

  64. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    …and/or get as many as you can.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    “question authority always.

    sit back at your own peril.”

    Thankfully mel already answered this.

    Statistically speaking, I’ve sat back most of the time with the Yanks, they actually got the job done without my input, I enjoyed the hell out of every season, and they’ve proven to me they know what they’re doing, despite the long and arduous discussions and worrying that take place here whenever a new sneeze takes place.

    With all due respect to every single poster here, the Yankees have proven to me that they know how to run a team and win games.

    Therefore, I’M PSYCHED ABOUT ANDY COMING BACK! It will all work out the way it’s supposed to work out. No amount of stressing out and thinking of dire consequences is going to change the course of events, so why not sit back and enjoy it? If you’re someone who needs relatively assured outcomes to function as a fan, maybe you need to devote your attention to something like stacked-deck solitaire.

    “A good blogger knows when it’s time to let something go. Otherwise it’s just hijacking a thread with an argument about semantics or just wanting ringer the last word in.

    Let it go. It beings inner peace.”

    mel, you sure have been the voice of reason.

    Kudos to the posters who see this as something good and exciting and are actually willing to let the Yankees work things out! You do me proud and I’m happy to be on your team.

    :)

  66. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Blake-

    Once he starts really locating the heat again he have what he needs.

  67. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Right, mick, so there are no sure things, especially with pitchers, which is why you try to buy them as cheaply as possible.
    ==============
    didn’t they just do that with Andy?

  68. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    So the plot really thickens with this one.

  69. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    they got pineda on the cheap as well…

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    I agree with the posters who think that there is no connection whatsoever between the return of Pettitte (had it happened in December) and Montero. Maybe Montero would have gotten one more year, maybe.

    To believe that anything would have changed the course of events with Montero you have to believe either that they were going to embrace Montero as their catcher or that they were going to change their practice on DH and turn it into an Ortiz-type deal.

    If you believe either of those things, then you do. I frankly do not.

  71. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    The return of Andy Pettitte has been turned into another Montero mope fest.

    How clever.

  72. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    they got pineda on the cheap as well…

    —————–

    It cost them Montero.

  73. Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    And it’s not like they have 7 studs either. They have CC and a bunch of guys who could go either way, guys who will range from average to solid to slightly above average.

    CC = stud

    Andy = who knows? I still think we’re all trying to process how this affects the team this year. He is not a guy we can rely on for innings anymore. Will he be the all-star starter from day 1 like 2010…. or the guy with the uneven regular season but who comes up big in big games?

    Kuroda = solid innings eater, could be a little more.

    Garcia = solid innings eater

    Hughes = who knows? A good 1st half? 200 innings? A 4 ERA? 3.5 ERA? 4.5 ERA? DL at some point?

    Pineda = high upside for the future. How does he respond off last year? How does he translate to the AL East and will the velo. be an issue?

    Nova = Will he take a big step back? Will he be a solid “keep you in the game” guy or something more? Will he pitch like the 2nd half last year?

    All these guys IMO are more or less interchangeable because all of them have questions as to how good they can/will be this year, so it is kind of a crapshoot.

    Not like having to displace one stud with another, or one mediocre pitcher with a stud. We have to choose between a bunch of guys with different pedigrees all with questions.

  74. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    I like having a ton of quality Pitching.

    An embarassment of riches is a good thing.

    Fantastic mix of Veterans and new guys.

    If everything goes right this pitching staff is gonna give teams fits over the long haul.

    We are frickin’ loaded.

    Talk about being in the driver’s seat.

    :)

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    And for the gazillionth time, randy, I have questioned moves the Yankees have made. (“question authority always.

    sit back at your own peril.”)

    Here’s the difference. After I questioned it, I sat back and enjoyed the hell out of the show. I just can’t bring myself to freak out over baseball decisions over which I have no control (which would be all of them.)

  76. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    The return of Andy Pettitte has been turned into another Montero mope fest.

    ——————————-

    If the line-up wasn’t aging I doubt Montero would be brought up over and over.

  77. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    It cost them Montero.
    ===============
    it was a money issue…montrero was a goner…why dont ppl understand, they didnt want him

  78. ron March 16th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    In an appearance on YES, Brian Cashman said the team offered Pettitte a substantial contract back in December, around $10-12MM. He decided to work out on his own to see how he felt before accepting, but basically told the team to plan on now having him. Following the Pineda and Kuroda moves, Cashman told Pettitte to stop working out because they didn’t have room for him. Andy kept going and here we are.

  79. lounge lizard March 16th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    As one real world comparison:

    coming off a (2006) year with a bWAR of 3.9, weighed down by a negative dWAR, Miguel Cabrera received $11.3M in an arb-eligible year.

    coming off a (2011) year with a bWAR of 4.4, buoyed by a 3.2 dWAR, Gardner settled for $2.8M.

  80. mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    And it’s not like they have 7 studs either. They have CC and a bunch of guys who could go either way, guys who will range from average to solid to slightly above average.
    ================
    all the more reason to load up on it….no team has the wealth of pitching we have…i will err on that side of things, sorry…

  81. ron March 16th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/

  82. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    I was optimistic about this team’s chances before Pettitte.

    They just became the team to beat because of his return.

    Who out there can boast the quality and depth the Yankees have ?

    Answer:

    No one.

    :)

  83. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Montero was a DH. No room for a young DH with AROD, Jeter and the rest of the “aging” lineup.

    There is no Russell Martin blocking Montero in Seattle. No Austin Romine. No Gary Sanchez. No JR Murphy.

    Yet Montero is not the starting catcher for the Mariners.

    Figure it out yet?

  84. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    And no Girardi coaching the Mariners.

  85. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    To my mind AP’s return is cause for celebration.

    :)

  86. blake March 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Andy probably looked at the Yankee roster and said…..”I want another ring”!

  87. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    No Brian Cashman shortchanging him and keeping him toiling in AAA.

    Nobody to sabotage Jesus Montero in Seattle.

    And he’s not their starting catcher.

    Making sense now?

  88. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    I think now might be the time for this team. With so many arms for the rotation, Jeter and A-Rod aging, Montero retiring, the future of Cano, Granderson, Swisher, and Martin uncertain, we should absolutely be all in to win this year.

  89. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    It cost them Montero.
    ===============
    it was a money issue…montrero was a goner…why dont ppl understand, they didnt want him

    ———————————-

    I get what you’re saying but they have that much faith in the line-up going forward?

  90. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Blake-

    I hope he stays healthy preparing.

    Having Pettitte to compete in the 2nd half and the playoffs is money in the bank.

    There is no one better.

    I love it.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    MTU, I think this is a blast! I am much more invigorated by watching things unfold, especially in a situation like this one, than I am by having a preordained script in front of me. I love the intra-competition aspect, I love the pieces we have, and I love watching the whole thing come together. There’s always an aspect of uncertainty in the game of baseball, but when you have the players the Yankees do, you feel pretty confident that things are going to be fine.

    At least that’s how I feel.

    And as a pitching and defense maven, I couldn’t be more delighted by this news!

    WELCOME BACK ANDY!

  92. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    No Brian Cashman shortchanging him and keeping him toiling in AAA.

    Nobody to sabotage Jesus Montero in Seattle.

    And he’s not their starting catcher.

    Making sense now?

    —————–

    If he hits does it matter that he’s no the starting catcher. Let’s say for his first season he’s .280 23HRs and 80 rbis do you think anyone would say yea he did that but he’s not catching?

  93. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Trisha-

    Welcome to MY world.

    I think most teams heard the news and took a dump.

    :)

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    blake, it’s the first thing I thought of when I heard it. It’s hard not to be stoked about this team (though some have tried mightily) and Andy might see this as pretty sure bet!

  95. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    This is what Greenspan called “rational exhuberance”.

    :)

  96. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Andy Pettitte is coming back?

    WHAT

  97. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Is this real life?

  98. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    LGY-

    It’s OK to scream with excitement !

    :)

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    LGY – real life!

    Or what I see as some pretty damned good karma.

    :)

  100. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    “they got pineda on the cheap as well…”

    Too funny.

  101. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    We all had the same reaction LGY

  102. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Even in retirement AP showed his usual determination.

    Cashman told him to stop preparing but Andy ignored him.

    Good thing he did.

    Cashman. When are you gonna learn that Warriors are not followers, and they don’t take their marching orders from YOU.

    :)

  103. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    “Cashman. When are you gonna learn that Warriors are not followers, and they don’t take their marching orders from YOU.”

    Separated at birth; MTU and randy. :P

  104. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    When AP steps out onto a mound and pulls down the bill of his cap staring in for the sign there is only one thing he’s thinking about and it ain’t Brian Cashman.

    :)

  105. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    People seem to forget that NYYs were reluctant to resign Pettitte in 2003 because of his elbow. He had surgery in June of 2004.

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    “We all had the same reaction LGY”

    ?????????????????

  107. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Andy missed a whole year with the Astros because of that surgery. So he got paid for 4 years in Houston and only pitched 3.

  108. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    “We all had the same reaction LGY”

    ?????????????????

    ————————

    Couldn’t believe it

  109. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE ROTATION? HOW LONG DOES ANDY NEED TO GET IN GAME SHAPE?

    So many questions to process right now.

  110. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    There are a number of stories why Pettitte left in 2003. No one knows for sure except him. It was a mistake for both parties, imo.

  111. austinmac March 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    When I saw the news on my iPhone via loud, I chuckled thinking I had accidentally pulled up a historical loud site. Others may have seen this as possible, but I sure didn’t. Wow.

    We won’t know for awhile what he has left, but he and the team must have felt he showed something in his pitching. If he is still Andy Pettitte, the Yankees just added a heck of a big game pitcher.

  112. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Pettitte signed for 3 years with Houston, not 4.

  113. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Andy’s surgery was from checking a swing when he tore a flexor tendon. It didn’t address the gap in his elbow ligament.

  114. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Ok…so the stros paid him for 3 years but he pitched 2.

  115. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    But the gap in his elbow ligament was why they parted ways.

  116. Triple Short of a Cycle March 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    If Andy had signed in Dec it would have stopped the Kuroda signing since both would be looked at as 1 year deals. I still think they do the Montero deal regardless.

    That being said I really feel bad for Garcia as he seemed to really like it here and he took less to to stay here so it stinks that he will be stuck pitching in long relief or traded to another team.

    If it was up to me I dangle Nova and sell high on him and see what type of hitter he could bring back.

    A post season rotation of CC,Pineda,Andy and Kuroda looks pretty damn sweet.

    Welcome back Andy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  117. Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Bobby V on Pettitte: “I don’t think he’s coming back to where he was. Call it a hunch. But he’s a good pitcher. Always respected Andy, always thought he was a borderline Hall of Famer. Add someone like that to your staff and you’re doing good.”

  118. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Mac-

    I don’t think anyone thought this was gonna happen.

    If they tell ya’ they did they’re full of it.

    ;)

  119. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    If it was up to me I dangle Nova

    *******

    no

  120. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Bobby V heard the news went into the clubhouse and pissed himself.

    And if he didn’t he should have.

    Not that he was finishing any higher than 3rd anyway before the blockbuster.

    ;)

  121. Chambliss March 16th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Today feels like Christmas. It is the bonus round for the Yankees. For most other teams Pettitte returns as the 3 or 4 starter. For the Yankees, he is 5 or 6 now with the potential to be the 2nd or 3rd starter in the postseason. CC, Pineda then Andy in the postseason, with a pen of Hughes, Joba, Kuroda, Nova, Robertson, Soriano and Mo? are you kidding me? or if Andy is tired you move him to the pen and have Nova or Kuroda as your #3.

    This is a stunning and fantastic development.

    A proven lefty who is great in the postseason.

    You have to be a real naysayer to find the negatives with this news.

    I can’t wait for Andy’s return to Yankee Stadium. That will be an electric atmosphere. I can hear the chant now…

  122. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    “But the gap in his elbow ligament was why they parted ways.”

    Not necessarily. They made him a very competitive offer. He has said there were reasons why he wanted to go home.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    “Couldn’t believe it”

    Ah. True dat!

    LGY – here’s the good news. You can bask in the warmth of the announcement and let the rest take care of itself. It’s the Yankees puzzle to solve, since they are the ones moving the pieces.

    To play “gee, what might happen?!” is one thing. To stress out, agonize, feel cheated, feel anger, or anything of the like is wasted energy. (Not saying you’d take any of those routes.)

    :)

  124. Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Bobby V on Pettitte: “I don’t think he’s coming back to where he was. Call it a hunch. But he’s a good pitcher. Always respected Andy, always thought he was a borderline Hall of Famer. Add someone like that to your staff and you’re doing good.”

    ———————————-

    Translation:*bleep* Me

  125. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    chambliss-

    No other way to see it IMO.

  126. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Valentine is a troll. Who cares what he says?

  127. DaSaint007 March 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Had to do a double-take when I saw the Pettitte headline.

    Glad to have Andy P back in the fold. I’ll worry about the excess of CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, Garcia, Pineda and now Pettitte later. No way Andy starts the season with the team, and Garcia’s probably going to lose some time with that sore hand.

    Frankly, though everyone talks about Garcia being traded, I see Kuroda also as a likely piece to be moved later, should Andy be back to his 2010 form. That would leave CC, Hughes, Pettitte, Nova and Pineda as the starting 5, and we know how successful Kuroda can be in the NL, AND it significantly could reduce overall payroll.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Check you all later.

    Congratulations to us!

    :)

  129. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    I’m throwin’ a party at my place to celebrate the AP news.

    You’re all invited.

    BYOB of course.

    I will supply the Hors d’oeuvers.

    And the scenery.

    :)

  130. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    The Yankees are gonna have more options than the NY Stock Exchange.

    :)

  131. sammiejohnson March 16th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    DaSaint007 March 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Frankly, though everyone talks about Garcia being traded, I see Kuroda also as a likely piece to be moved later, should Andy be back to his 2010 form. That would leave CC, Hughes, Pettitte, Nova and Pineda as the starting 5, and we know how successful Kuroda can be in the NL, AND it significantly could reduce overall payroll.

    ________________________________

    Kuroda has a full NTC. And we saw last year how he feels about waving his NTC and being traded.

  132. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Kuroda is still the second best starter on the staff until proven otherwise.

  133. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    I see Kuroda also as a likely piece to be moved later

    *******

    no

  134. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Against All Odds March 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
    Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Bobby V on Pettitte: “I don’t think he’s coming back to where he was. Call it a hunch. But he’s a good pitcher. Always respected Andy, always thought he was a borderline Hall of Famer. Add someone like that to your staff and you’re doing good.”

    ———————————-

    Translation:*bleep* Me

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Translation:*bleep* Me to tears.

  135. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Trisha

    I’m thrilled. Shocked but thrilled.

  136. Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    The only starters that will be moved are Hughes and Garcia

    Everyone else is here to stay

  137. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    NYYs with a backlog of 10 pitchers ready to go. If all are effective and healthy, Kuroda and Garcia could be replaced in a trade by the middle of June and bring in the best two starters out of AAA not including banuelos/Betances.

  138. Eroc March 16th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    I’m starting to think that WCDB and Bobby V were the same person.

  139. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    “But the gap in his elbow ligament was why they parted ways.”

    Not necessarily. They made him a very competitive offer. He has said there were reasons why he wanted to go home.

    —————————————————————————–

    I thought he went to Houston because the Yankees were slow to offer him a contract.

    I think they were working on other deals and thought he would wait.

  140. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    I guess this is how it feels to be sitting in the catbird seat ?

    :)

  141. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Kuroda has a no-trade.

    Garcia and Phil Hughes are goners. It’s that simple.

  142. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Or sittin’ pretty.

    ;)

  143. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    drama in the OS.

    Well there it is.

    ;)

  144. PittsburghYankeeFan March 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    The options on this team are amazing. Compare it to the Sox or the Jays.

    Who is the Sox 5th-7th starter? Felix Doumbront? Andrew Miller? Stolmy Pimental? And remember, they’ve got Bard and Aceves up there, and who knows how either one reacts to the wear and tear.

    Who is the Rays 5th-7th starter? They have a lot of young depth, but come on…after the run they’ve had with young guys like Price, Hellickson, now Moore–it has to end somewhere.

    Just amazing.

  145. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Marc Carig on Andy Pettitte

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....witterfeed

  146. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Garcia and Phil Hughes are goners. It’s that simple.

    ——-

    Not often I agree with Bret but RIP 5th starter competition. The Yankees brought in a ringer.

  147. blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Chad must be sweating right now….Mizzou about to go down.

    I think the Yanks are probably shopping Phil behind the scenes……I don’t really like it but I have a feeling they are. He’s nearing free agency and Cashman started hyping him all the way back at the winter meetings……

  148. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Lockdown that 11 mil cabrera got was as part of his huge deal in detroit, but the price they paid for a super young middle of the order bat. It doesn’t mean war or defense isn’t used in arbitration, but what the arbitrators or players value it at may be different.

  149. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Hughes has been the top starter in camp. Kuroda will go to another in the chase team for an extra year.

  150. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Kuroda will go to another in the chase team for an extra year.

    ——

    LOL, not happening.

  151. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    They aren’t going to give Hughes away. though, according to most on here, he’s not worth anything of value.

  152. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Blake-

    You really think they’re shopping Hughes ?

  153. Rich in NJ March 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    “I think the Yanks are probably shopping Phil behind the scenes……I don’t really like it but I have a feeling they are. He’s nearing free agency and Cashman started hyping him all the way back at the winter meetings……”

    Barring some incredible, unforeseeable return, that would put Cashman in the permanent not very bright category.

    I don’t want to believe that, so I refuse to believe that until/unless it becomes reality.

    Later.

  154. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    The Braves sure could use some pitching but what do they have to offer in return ?

  155. blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    MTU,

    Wouldn’t surprise me….they’ll have to get a good return though…..they ain’t trading him unless the deal makes a lot of sense.

  156. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    The Yankees are very likely shopping both Hughes and Garcia. Who knows if they find a trade to their liking, but one thing the Andy Pettitte signing solidifies is that whoever “wins” the 5th starter competition is not going to be the 5th starter for very long.

  157. blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    “The Braves sure could use some pitching but what do they have to offer in return ?”

    Heyward :)

  158. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    Lockdown that 11 mil cabrera got was as part of his huge deal in detroit, but the price they paid for a super young middle of the order bat. It doesn’t mean war or defense isn’t used in arbitration, but what the arbitrators or players value it at may be different.

    —————————————————————-

    If I’m not mistaken it appears like he was mixed up on which Cabrera was being discussed.

    At least that’s how I read it.

  159. blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “but one thing the Andy Pettitte signing solidifies is that whoever “wins” the 5th starter competition is not going to be the 5th starter for very long.”

    Eh….we have to see if Andy can still pitch first.

  160. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Need Pitching ?

    Call the Yankees.

    :)

  161. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Wow! that’s a killer for me (and chad!) Mizzou tigers about to go down to #15 norfolk st!

  162. blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    I had Mizzou in the final 4

  163. raymagnetic March 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Why would the Yankees now trade pitching for a hitter when they just traded a young cost controlled fabulous hitter for a pitcher?

    Not to mention many people hear think Hughes is trash anyway so he’s not worth much.

  164. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    The Yankees can open up another storefront.

    Just call it “Surplus Pitching City”.

    We take trades.

    ;)

  165. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “but one thing the Andy Pettitte signing solidifies is that whoever “wins” the 5th starter competition is not going to be the 5th starter for very long.”

    Eh….we have to see if Andy can still pitch first.
    ———————-

    I have trouble seeing that scenario play out. I don’t think he’ll pitch 200 innings but I think he still knows how.

  166. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    With Andy looming, tbh, I’d consider making Phelps the 5th starter for April to get him some major league experience and make it easy to bump him from the rotation when Andy is ready.

  167. blake March 16th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    I think Andy still knows how to pitch…..but he turns 40 this summer and hasn’t pitched in over a year…..its pretty unpredictable his good he will be IMO

  168. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    mizzou was a very popular pick, i kept hearing people say that they were the team with the best shot to beat kentucky. but they’ve never been in the final four (thanks baron davis!) , so i was hopefull but….oh well…

  169. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    “Why would the Yankees now trade pitching for a hitter when they just traded a young cost controlled fabulous hitter for a pitcher?”

    One possible answer has ALWAYS been is that maybe the Yankees didn’t think he was so fabulous.

    Once one gets over the initial shock of the notion and rejects it in knee-jerk fashion, it COULD explain much.

  170. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    “With Andy looming, tbh, I’d consider making Phelps the 5th starter for April to get him some major league experience and make it easy to bump him from the rotation when Andy is ready.”

    Which of Nova, Pineda, Hughes are you sending to AAA in favor of Phelps?

    Or does this assume a trade of one of them?

  171. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    I’d be surprised if much happens before the TD.

    I suppose if some team wants to bowl Cashman over with an offer he’ll listen.

    After 6/15 Garcia can be traded and we’ll know a lot more about where the rest of our staff is at.

    Like “The Stones” said, “Time is on our side, yes it is.”

    :)

  172. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    blake – Yeah in general I agree.. but then I think about this whole Cash was ready to throw $10 million at him and my assumption is Andy’s been keeping in shape since he retired.

  173. lounge lizard March 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    No, I can keep my Cabreras straight. The concept at issue was the pertinence of dWAR so I went to Miggy Cab as a likely example of a high offense achiever who would be rewarded with little regard to dWAR. I could make the same point with a number of other examples. Also, if you look at the respective WAR numbers I cited, they would purport to show that Gardner 2011 was more valuable than Miggy Cab 2006. If you want to convince yourself of that, OK, but I don’t buy, nor does the track record of arb awards support.

  174. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Blake-

    50% of AP is better than 100% of a lot of guys.

    ;)

  175. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Which of Nova, Pineda, Hughes are you sending to AAA in favor of Phelps?

    Or does this assume a trade of one of them?

    ————————–

    Nova and Pineda are locked into the rotation IMO. I don’t buy the 4 guys (now 5 guys) for 3 spots things at all.

    I’d look to trade Hughes but if there is nothing acceptable out there, put him in the bullpen.

  176. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    I’d look to trade Hughes but if there is nothing acceptable out there, put him in the bullpen.
    ———–

    Why? Hasn’t he looked as good as Garcia who’s now injured? And Pettitte won’t be ready until May?

  177. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    If Hughes is pitching well as a starter, and I think he will be, he is not going to be assigned to the Pen.

  178. m March 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Why are you clearing space for Andy before seeing how he pitches after a full ST?

    And hide you miss 3 straight FT that couldn’t iced the game?

    Hughes has trade value right now. Not going to bring you a Justin Upton, but unfortunately Hughes has upped his value by showing he is back to form.

    Kuroda is not getting traded.

    Freddy will be traded to the team that needs a starter that he likes best.

  179. Eroc March 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Kuroda has a no-trade. He is not going to some nondescript team like the Reds or Brewers. If LA wants to reacquire him, then maybe.

  180. m March 16th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    I think Hughes is a lockdown fir the rotation.

  181. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    The Yankees should not be in a rush to do anything.

    They are in the position of strength.

    The teams that need Pitching are the ones who need to put a hurry on.

    What a great position to be in.

  182. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    andy hasnt thrown a pitch in anger in a year and a half and people want to trade pitching to make room already.. calm down, he just decided last night he’s got the itch. nobody knows if he can still pitch and it will be weeks before anybody has any real idea. nobody’s going anywhere in the meantime. just be happy and mellow out!

  183. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    WOW!!! Twitter is all aflutter about Bluster Only and ESPN taking credit for breaking the Pettitte signing. Not a word from Bluster or any ESPN lackey.

  184. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    MTU March 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    The Yankees should not be in a rush to do anything.

    They are in the position of strength.

    The teams that need Pitching are the ones who need to put a hurry on.

    What a great position to be in.
    ————–

    Yup. Teams will come knocking.

  185. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    I’d look to trade Hughes but if there is nothing acceptable out there, put him in the bullpen.
    ———–

    Why? Hasn’t he looked as good as Garcia who’s now injured? And Pettitte won’t be ready until May?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You’d better check the numbers this spring.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....r+pitching

  186. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    GB,

    As good *or better, I should have said ;)

  187. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    If Mo was the one that took a sabbatical, would anyone be on here asking if he could still pitch lol?

    I feel like of all my worries that’s low on the list.

  188. m March 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Just checked espn.com’s article about Pettitte’s return. Olney’s name not mentioned.

  189. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    lounge lizard

    I misinterpreted the point you was making.

  190. LGY March 16th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Andy will be in the rotation by May 15th.

    Bank on it.

  191. m March 16th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Cashman’s phone must be ringing off the hook!

  192. lounge lizard March 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    no prob, i thought about the possible confusion myself after I typed and posted and it’s the author’s responsibility to make his point clear.

  193. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    GB,

    As good *or better, I should have said

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    My error. People that cut and paste somebody elses post need to attach a name to avoid any confusion. I should have known who that quote was from.

  194. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    LGY March 16th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Andy will be in the rotation by May 15th.

    Bank on it.

    ———————-

    Definitely gonna take a nice long spring training.. if he’s with the big club during the trial I’ll wager Nick in SF for anything he wants.

  195. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    That people do not pay for defense doesn’t mean it isn’t valuable. You can get paid just by playing one side of the ball as miggy and prince proved, doesn’t that make cano tex and arod potential bargains compared to them??

  196. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Yesterday.

    “all my worries”

    Seem so far away.

  197. blake March 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Look….Andy may pick right up where he left off and be really good….but there is a chance also that he looks like a 40 year old guy that hasn’t pitched in a yea and a half……all aim saying is that I doubt the Yanks are gonna make drastic changes to their rotation plans……YET.

  198. raymagnetic March 16th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    “One possible answer has ALWAYS been is that maybe the Yankees didn’t think he was so fabulous.

    Once one gets over the initial shock of the notion and rejects it in knee-jerk fashion, it COULD explain much.”

    Sure, this is possible. But it means that the Yankees are poor at evaluating talent. Cashman did try to trade Cano and Wang in the same deal so I can’t put anything past him right now.

  199. ron March 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Garcia will get traded or go to the pen.

    Then the rotation is fine til they figure out when,and if pettitte makes it.

    cc
    kuroda
    pineda
    nova
    hughes.

    Phelps will be the 6th starter,waiting in AAA.

    If pettitte makes it back,the yankees will evaluate how well nova,and hughes are doing,then make another decision,or an injury eliminated that scenario.

  200. ron March 16th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    eliminates.

  201. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Yesterday.

    “all my worries”

    Seem so far away.

    ——————————-

    /Beatle’d!

    And Maine, I probably do owe a bit more of an explanation but you know how some things are just hard to articulate? Thats sort of how I feel about Andy. If you entered the room of an 11 year old Shame Spencer, the only pictures on the walls were of Andy. He was my favorite. More than Bernie or Posada or Mo or even Jeter. He was my dude. And then that thing happens when you grow up. Its weird… its like when you have to accept that things like Santa and the Eastern Bunny aren’t real. You have to learn the difference between real people and imaginary ones. And you think that’s overwhelming enough until you reach a point where you realize that its not just imaginary characters that are fake. And I really, really, really hate that Andy’s that guy for me, I do. I hate that that’s sorta what he represents to me. And its not just because of what I consider ‘real life’ stuff.. I don’t think any of what he’s done makes him a bad person. And I don’t think being a hypocrite makes anyone a bad person either. But it never changes that thing he represents for me… that sort of, ‘gotta grow up’ moment. And I still think he’s a fantastic pitcher, a great competitor, and that’s what I hope to see this season from him. But I’m gonna roll my eyes a few times this season lol… its inevitable. And not in the way Bret is used to seeing girl’s eye’s roll…

  202. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    And the Jack Curry vs. Buster thing on Twitter is amazing…. Jack is BLOWING UP lol.

    I wish some of the posters on here would reconsider Twitter. Its so absurd.

  203. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Who said this OS is dull ?

    :)

  204. lounge lizard March 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Defense is valuable but dWAR is too far out of whack too often to be useful as a stat offered at face value. It is used in argument because there isn’t anything available that’s much better but that’s not a good rationale. IMO

  205. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    A lot of GM’s pucker factors just increased exponentially knowing Pettitte is returning.

    And their STF too !

    ;)

  206. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    New thread —–>

  207. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Michael Kay horsewhips ESPN.

    Michael K. ? @myNYteams

    @espn you take credit for something you dont deserve but what else is new. @JackCurryYES was the ultimate story breaker on Andy Pettitte!!!

  208. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    A lot of GM’s pucker factors just increased exponentially knowing Pettitte is returning.

    And their STF too !

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You couldn’t drive a straight pin up their ass with a hammer right now.

  209. blake March 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    I thought Kay worked for ESPN

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