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Friday notes: Hughes takes a step forward

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes pitched well today. He went four scoreless innings, struck out three, walked none and showed improved fastball command. I saw one fastball clocked at 94 mph. But this wasn’t necessary a good day for a pitcher trying to win a spot in the rotation.

“I love Andy,” Hughes said. “He’s awesome. I worry about the things I can control and that’s it. All I can control is the work I do, the work I do out on the field. … What’s going to happen is going to happen. I’m just going to do all that I can do and that’s it. Andy has been here before, I’ve been in this situation before and that’s the end of it. Everyone in here is excited for him to come back. You could tell when he was here (as an instructor) that he wanted to come back. I think everyone kind of had an idea at some point — we didn’t know it was going to be the next week — but it is what it is.”

Andy Pettitte is expected to arrive in Yankees camp on Tuesday. He’ll need to go through a standard six-to-seven-week spring training, which makes early May a reasonable time target for him to contribute at the big league level.

“Andy’s not going to affect how we go north because Andy’s not going north with us,” Brian Cashman said.

But certainly Pettitte affects this rotation competition. He basically assures that the competition will continue well into the season.

“You never know, we might need all seven,” Joe Girardi said. “Who knows? But that’s a bridge we have to cross when we get there. Might end up having seven guys throw well, and then I’ve really got some tough decisions to make, but we’ll work through it and sort through it. And we’ve got some time.”

Hughes has looked good this spring, and today he was particularly sharp. Girardi said he never even checked on Hughes’ velocity because he was happy with the swings he was getting. He thought the ball was getting on hitters quickly, and he thought his offspeed stuff was good.

“I worked all my pitches,” Hughes said. “Didn’t throw as many cutters, threw more changeups today, which was good. That was something I wanted to do. My breaking ball was good and I felt like my fastball was coming out of my hand pretty well. I’ve been talking about making a step every time I go out there and today was another step.”

Couldn’t blame the guy, though, if he heard some footsteps coming up behind him.

• Joe Girardi said it was strictly a precaution, but Nick Swisher went for an MRI today. “This could just be soreness and they’re ruling everything out,” Girardi said. “He said he felt good today.” This morning, Swisher said he could have played if this were the regular season. He seemed completely unconcerned.

• Russell Martin’s tightness isn’t exactly in his groin. It’s kind of between his groin and his hamstring, and it’s something he once felt in spring training with the Dodgers. He didn’t speak up that time and wound up with a legitimate injury, so he decided to play it safe this time. He sounded a lot like Swisher: Just feels like he’s being cautious with something minor.

• Mariano Rivera was listed as one of today’s pitchers and Girardi said pregame that Rivera would be pitching. “I think it was a mix up,” Girardi said. “It’s tomorrow.”

• Upcoming rotation:

Saturday: Hiroki Kuroda
Sunday: Ivan Nova
Monday: Off day
Tuesday: Michael Pineda
Wednesday: Phil Hughes
Thursday: David Phelps (CC Sabathia in the minors)
Friday: Hiroki Kuroda (home), Ivan Nova (road)

• CC Sabathia pitched three innings today. He allowed three runs on six hits while striking out two. “I felt pretty good,” Sabathia said. “The fastball was all over the place, the command was a little bit off and we’re still working.”

• Sabathia on the addition of Pettitte to the rotation competition: “Hopefully everybody steps their game up and makes it a tough decision. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens. Use that as a challenge to go out and make yourself better.”

• Alex Rodriguez hit his second spring homer this afternoon. It was a two-run shot in the fifth inning that tied the game at 3. The Yankees other extra-base hit was an RBI double by Robinson Cano in the first inning.

• The Yankees won 4-3 in 10 innings. Justin Maxwell led off with a walk, took third on an error and scored the winning run on a sac fly by Brandon Laird. Chase Whitley, who pitched a scoreless top of the 10th, got the win.

• Rafael Soriano and Cesar Cabral each threw scoreless innings.

• Former Yankees pitcher Tyler Clippard pitched a hitless inning for the Nationals. He struck out Colin Curtis.

• Zoilo Almonte was certainly not one of the top prospects in camp, but he made a fast impression. “Loved the way he swung the bat,” Girardi said. “I think his left-handed swing is ahead of his right-handed swing, but I think that will catch up. He had a nice opportunity to talk to Bernie about it, which I think could be a real positive factor because Bernie was successful from both sides, and Bernie talked about how, when you hit, you’re going to see more left-handed at-bats and how much harder you have to work right-handed to be prepared.”

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224 Responses to “Friday notes: Hughes takes a step forward”

  1. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Pineda
    Hughes
    Garcia
    Phelps
    Pettitte
    Warren
    Mitchell

    Does that remind you of the Amazon ?

    :)

  2. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Woo whee is this going to be an exciting season :D

  3. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Michael Kay horsewhips ESPN.

    Michael K. ? @myNYteams

    @espn you take credit for something you dont deserve but what else is new. @JackCurryYES was the ultimate story breaker on Andy Pettitte!!!
    ———————————

    Jack’s retweets are hysterical.

    If a homer like Kay is yacking at one of his employers you know it was an egregious offense.

  4. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Think so Kev ?

    What makes ya’ say that ?

    :)

  5. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    MTU,

    How could you leave out Betances and Banuelos?

    So many pitchers you lost count?

  6. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Bret-

    I only put down ML-ready types.

    :)

  7. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    I don’t think writers are bothered by getting scooped as much as somebody else taking credit for their work. So much for integrity among journalists. You can’t keep idiots like Law nd Gomez off of Twitter, but, so far not a peep from any of espn except Kay.

  8. RadioKev March 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    MTU,

    How could you leave out Betances and Banuelos?

    So many pitchers you lost count?
    ———-

    Those dudes could light the world on fire at AAA, and I’d still bet quite a sum they won’t be starting in the bigs this season. I assume that’s what MTU meant.

  9. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    A lot of GM’s pucker factors just increased exponentially knowing Pettitte is returning.

    And their STF too !

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You couldn’t drive a straight pin up their ass with a hammer right now.

  10. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    if mo took a year off, i would definitely ask whether he could still pitch. he’d be coming back at what 42, 43? of course you would wonder and wouldnt’ reorganize your pitching staff around him till you found out. anything else would be foolish.

  11. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    GB-

    :)

    That’s the way I figure it.

    Bet the LV odds changed a bit too.

  12. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    GB-

    The Yankees brought out the Blunderbuss.

    ;)

  13. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    “My staff is deeper than the deepest Ocean. Wider than a mile…….”.

    Girardi’s new theme song.

    :)

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    “They aren’t going to give Hughes away”

    Not only that, I don’t believe for a minute they would consider trading Hughes. Andy is for right now. So is Kuroda. The future in the rotation is Nova, Hughes and Pineda (the youngest members of the rotation).

    If Hughes is back, Hughes goes nowhere.

    That’s my pragmaticism speaking. I would think the Yanks are going to be pragmatic in the same fashion. Especially this season.

    Time will tell!

    :)

  15. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    That’ll teach Nick in SF to go to Mexico during the OS.

    ;)

  16. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    I don’t think writers are bothered by getting scooped as much as somebody else taking credit for their work. So much for integrity among journalists. You can’t keep idiots like Law nd Gomez off of Twitter, but, so far not a peep from any of espn except Kay.
    —————–

    I hate it when Kay makes me respect him… and worse, makes other guys in the industry look worse lol.

    Ys – Yeah I hear ya, but at the same time I also don’t believe that Andy woke up just this week deciding he wanted to pitch again. I think he must have a feel for if he can pitch at this point. Cash was apparently offering him $10-$12 million in December. I’m not sure you extend that type of dough unless you have a pretty good idea of whether or not the guy still has something in the tank, but thats JMO.

  17. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Hughes goes nowhere.

    ********

    Everyone made the same arrogant absolutist remarks about Montero.

  18. blake March 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Hughes has looked really good this spring….about as good as we could have hoped for given his 2011.

    If Andy looks like Andy…..then the Yanks are going to have a tough decision to make. If it comes down to Hughes or Andy and they are both pitching well……..I don’t know….Phil is 2 years from free agency and should have pretty good trade value if he looks healthy and is pitching well…..that’s not to say I want to trade him….but if a package with him could bring the type of position player they could use then Im sure they’ll consider what their options are.

  19. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Pettitte had to throw a BP for the Yankee brass before anything was agreed to.

    Think they were impressed ?

    ;)

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Wow, Knicks looking like a totally different team.

  21. blake March 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Jack Curry ? @JackCurryYES

    Cashman said Pettitte looked like Pettitte in his bullpen session. That was a very good sign.

  22. blake March 16th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Bryan Hoch ? @BryanHoch

    From Red Sox camp, Bobby V offers this on Pettitte: “I don’t think he’s coming back to where he was. Call it a hunch.”
    Retweeted by Yankeesource

    lol….I bet you’d take him right about now Bobby!

  23. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    When you are in the driver’s seat you decide which road you want to travel on;Where and when to turn; and when to get off.

    Not the road. Or the people waiting in line to get on.

    ;)

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    “Everyone made the same arrogant absolutist remarks about Montero”

    :lol:

    Arrogant absolutist remark?????

    :lol:

    I think an arrogant absolutist remark is more along the lines of “which southern belle will be lucky enough to capture my attention – because they are surely enamored of me!”

    When someone takes the time to explain why he or she is making a statement, it really moves well out of the realm of arrogant absolutism.

    But thanks for playing!

  25. Duh Innings March 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    ‘Looks like the Yankees rotation after Sabathia and Kuroda to start 2012 will be Nova/Pineda/Hughes as I doubt Garcia will be ready for Opening Day. Even if he was ready, he’d probably go to the bullpen cuz no way Hughes is going there or Pineda is starting the season in AAA to make room for Garcia.

    Pettitte’s minor league contract is a formality as he will join the Yankees when he’s ready no matter what he does because he’s Andy Pettitte, unless he thinks he’s done and retires.

    This means EVERY starting pitcher save Sabathia is put on notice: PRODUCE OR YOU’RE OUT OF THE ROTATION OR POSSIBLY OFF THIS TEAM. That’s right, Kuroda is pitching to keep his job as well as Nova, Pineda, Hughes, and at some point when he’s ready to start Garcia. If Kuroda is Japanese Suckfest #3 for the Yankees after Irabu (RIP) and Igawa (#4 if you count lazyassed Okajima failing his physical LOL), he’s most likely out of here and back to an NL team if not released, ten million schmen million. BTW in fairness to Irabu he did have a great start and was good for the Yanks at times, but he ultimately sucked.

    Pettitte’s return if he actually joins the Yanks in May would do a world of good for the Yanks besides being the classic low-risk high-reward signing and putting everyone in the rotation save CC on notice as follows:

    - Roy Oswalt cannot hold the Yanks for ransom for his services.

    - Teams cannot hold the Yanks for ransom if the Yanks need a starting pitcher.

    - The Yanks may not even need to make a trade for a starting pitcher much less entertain the thought of trading for a starting pitcher if Pettitte and the rotation after CC is good enough.

    - The AAA starters can further develop with the strong possiblity that none of them will be called up to take a spot in the rotation or called up at all, barring several Yankee starters being out with injuries at the same time. They can go about their business off trying to make the bigs quietly with less pressure.

    - The Yanks have two lefty starters to go against the Red Sox and other lefthanded-laden lineups.

    - The Yanks could literally trade any big club starter or AAA starter and still have Sabathia and Pettitte as the rotation anchor.

  26. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Blake-

    Whaddya’ wanna bet Valentine pissed himself and his scrotum tightened up when he heard.

    ;)

  27. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Some of the NY writers (those with a sense of humor) are having some fun with THE FLAP.

    Eric Stangel ? @EricStangel

    ESPN now taking credit for breaking the story that @JackCurryYES is upset he didn’t get proper credit for breaking Andy Pettitte story

    Retweeted by Bob Lorenz

  28. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Blake-

    Probably asked Beckett where the beer and wings were.

  29. ron March 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    There is no upgrade over hughes,and hughes looks like he is going to break out in a big way.

    His fb is moving again,and his velo is returning,plus it looks like his offspeed pitches are coming along some.

    If he ever gets his curve back,and develops a good changeup,he isn’t going anywhere.

    There is no way a 4 million dollar garcia,with no future with the yankees is taking hughes rotation spot when hughes is making 3.2 million,and has a future with the team,if hughes is pitching well,wich he is.

    I got this feeling about hughes,but it is imperative that he does not fall in love with his fb,and scraps the changeup.

  30. ac1 March 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Sox have three true starters set (assuming Buchholz can actually stay healthy).
    Yankees are 10 deep if you could Pettitte, Garcia, Mitchell/Phelps/Warren.
    If Burnett was still here, he would be doing mop-up or our 6th inning guy.

  31. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Trisha-

    Put me down for 107 and 90 for Sux.

    Pettitte just changed my outlook.

    :)

  32. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    “Hughes is going nowhere” is an absolutist statement.

  33. blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    “There is no way a 4 million dollar garcia,with no future with the yankees is taking hughes rotation spot when hughes is making 3.2 million,and has a future with the team,if hughes is pitching well,wich he is.”

    nope….but this Pettite thing does thicken the plot. They have to see what Andy looks like….but if he looks like Andy Pettite then they’ll want the lefty in the rotation….so then you have to have somebody out besides Garcia. Good problem to have….but it’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds.

  34. randy l. March 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Bobby V offers this on Pettitte: “I don’t think he’s coming back to where he was. Call it a hunch.”

    actually, i don’t think bobby v is coming back to what he once was. he says things that no one in their right mind says in the game.

    what a loser.

    it’s going to be fun watching pettitte shut down the red sox.

  35. ac1 March 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    The real different Pettitte will make is in October….

  36. ac1 March 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    nope….but this Pettite thing does thicken the plot. They have to see what Andy looks like….but if he looks like Andy Pettite then they’ll want the lefty in the rotation….so then you have to have somebody out besides Garcia. Good problem to have….but it’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds.

    ___

    This stuff usually works itself out.

    Sucks for Garcia who took a 1 year deal with the Yankees where apparent 2 year deals were out there.

  37. blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Sorry about Mizzou Chad…..they totally screwed up my bracket.

  38. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    So is Bobby saying our rotation “might” have improved?

  39. m March 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Read the other stuff Bobby V said before that part. He was quite complimentary of Andy. Kind if funny actually.

    “I thought they had toothy pitching before. Now what do they have, too, too, too much itching? He’s pretty good…Is he going to be a starter or just come in to pick people off?…Add someone (borderline HOF) like that to your staff and you’re doing good.”

  40. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Randy-

    I wonder how your friends on Cape Cod are gonna take this development ?

    Of course I know you won’t rub it in or anything.

    ;)

  41. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    ok we’ll call it even for listening to clemens and going to houston, since andy could easily have signed with a team for alot more money but decided to come back to the pinstripes!

    welcome home, buddy!

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “Hughes is going nowhere” is an absolutist statement.”

    Yeah, and verbiage after it that ends with “Time will tell!” certain moves it out of the realm of “arrogant absolutism” – your obnoxious words.

  43. Duh Innings March 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Also

    - Garcia can return at his own pace – no rushing.

    - Pettitte could recruit Oswalt who might think he could go from Houston to the Yanks and win it all like Pettitte did. Pettitte could tell him all about how great New York is if the guy isn’t sold on coming here. Too bad Clemens and Pettitte are on the outs with each other cuz they’d be a perfect 1-2 to convince Oswalt to not only sign with the Yanks but sign for a reasonable price, maybe even less if it means being part of the best history in professional sports which you are when you win it all with the Yanks.

    - The cliche “I have to pitch well enough to keep my spot in the rotation” isn’t just that and lip service. Those words are true and have reality behind them, that reality being Pettitte’s return barring “I can’t pitch anymore” retirement.

    - The Yanks can go with a second lefty in the pen to start the season without much thought and can get a good hard look at other pitchers for that final slot in the bullpen if Pineda and Hughes are in the rotation and Garcia won’t be ready by Opening Day.

  44. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    All over the AL East you could hear a pin drop.

    Many had to be taken to Hospitals with broken jaws caused by them hitting the floor upon hearing the news.

    It was a mighty crash.

    :)

  45. randy l. March 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    “I wonder how your friends on Cape Cod are gonna take this development ?”

    mtu-

    they won’t even talk baseball.

    i think they’re still in shock from last september.

  46. m March 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Lol. Sorry too much pitching. Not toothy or itching. Sorry.

  47. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    Randy-

    I wonder how your friends on Cape Cod are gonna take this development ?

    Of course I know you won’t rub it in or anything.

    ————————————————————————————————————————

    Naturally, Cape Codders will take credit for convincing Pettitte to re-sign with NYYs.

  48. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “Hughes is going nowhere” is an absolutist statement.”

    Yeah,

    **********

    yeah

  49. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    screw oswalt, i don’t want that redneck, he’s had plenty of chances to come pitch for the yankees and always turned them down. he’s done anyway, let him go back to houston or some other backwater craphole where he can get his rocks off killing turkeys with an assault rifle, i wouldnt give him a pinstriped uni if he offered to pay to play for the yankees.

  50. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    All over the AL East you could hear a pin drop.

    Many had to be taken to Hospitals with broken jaws caused by them hitting the floor upon hearing the news.

    It was a mighty crash.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Those must haven been the bents pins that couldn’t be hammered into the puckers.

  51. ron March 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    If hughes is pitching well,pettitte is not taking his spot.
    An injury settles the problem,or if nova or kuroda are not pitching well,problem solved.

    Also,if nova is not pitching well,but hughes is,and pettitte returns,nova can be traded.
    If everybody is pitching well,maybe cashman asks kuroda to waive his ntc.

    Maybe nova isn’t pitching great,and he gets sent down.

    CC,pineda,hughes are locks,imo,because i think hughes is going to be the best pitcher in st.

    With no injuries,a decision will only have to be made when,and if pettitte returns,and imo,nova or kuroda gets yanked from the rotation.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    MTU – got ‘em!

    :)

  53. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Randy-

    See if you can get them to stutter a few words.

    Or maybe just write down their feelings when they stop drooling.

    It might do them some good.

    You’d be a good samaritan that way.

    ;)

  54. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Well, Hughes sure isn’t being traded for HOFer David Dejesus.

  55. Villa Nova-Ya March 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    m -

    That was pretty funny. toothy itching. LOL

    Also, Bobby V’s line about bringing Andy in to pick people off was kind of funny, too.

  56. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    “Time will tell” in that context translates to, “This is closed for discussion at present time because I am convinced Hughes is going nowhere so it’s useless for anyone to present an alternative view until time proves my statement true.” It’s craptalk.

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Bret – when you’re pathetic, you’re REALLY pathetic!

    Cry me a river.

    :D

  58. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Or Seth Fortenberry or Mitch Hilligoss, future HOF.

  59. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    The only left handed hitter that happy about Pettitte’s return is Carlos Pena.

  60. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Tony sanchez just said holy sht on mlb xm lol

  61. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    “Everyone made the same arrogant absolutist remarks about Montero.”

    Bret.

    Is Nova going anywhere?

  62. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    get me some of that Absolute!
    Absolutely lovin Andy and the Knicks…Baron with the 3!!!

  63. CountryClub March 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Count me as one that expects a nice bounce back yr for Hughes. I expect him to be in the rotation when camp breaks. But with Pettitte waiting in the wings, he better not get off to a slow start in April.

  64. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Yankee fans should be happier than a Pig in sh*t .

    How often does a Prodigal Son return to the fold unexpectedly ?

    Especially one who likes to eat his opponents for breakfast.

    :)

  65. Eroc March 16th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Wow. Lots of tweets. Looks like @JackCurryYES tweeted Andy Pettitte news first, which doesn’t preclude reality I did my own work.

  66. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    DEFENSE!!!!

  67. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    No what is REALLY pathetic is when you frame discourse to curb alternative opinions and try to dictate conversation on an open forum.

  68. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    you can leave me out on that one, i thought and often said that montero was trade bait all along.

  69. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    The only thing that you’ve ever convinced anyone about is that your latest conquest was actually a pity dance as an initiation prank.

  70. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    I tweeted this back on feb 27, look it up on Lohud…Andy will be back!

  71. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Stuckey,

    In my opinion the Yankees should keep Nova.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “Time will tell” in that context translates to, “This is closed for discussion at present time because I am convinced Hughes is going nowhere so it’s useless for anyone to present an alternative view until time proves my statement true.” It’s craptalk.”

    Obviously your attention to the sciences really underscore your lack of finesse in the arts.

    I’ll connect the dots for you just this one time, cry baby.

    __________________

    1. HUGHES IS GOING NOWHERE.

    2. That’s my pragmaticism speaking. I WOULD THINK THE YANKEES ARE GOING TO BE PRAGMATIC IN THE SAME FASHION. Especially this season.

    3. TIME WILL TELL!

    ***********

    Unless you’re a total retread, you can follow the dots.

  73. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    frame discourse to curb alternative opinions and try to dictate conversation on an open forum.
    ==============================
    now thats a mouthful….something about framing intercourse?

  74. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Eroc March 16th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    Buster_ESPN
    Wow. Lots of tweets. Looks like @JackCurryYES tweeted Andy Pettitte news first, which doesn’t preclude reality I did my own work.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Curry had it first and Bluster and everyone else had it the second they read Curry’s tweet.

  75. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Eroc March 16th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Wow. Lots of tweets. Looks like @JackCurryYES tweeted Andy Pettitte news first, which doesn’t preclude reality I did my own work.
    ————————

    Even if you did your own work and didn’t break the story… but said you broke the story… that’s still a d*ck move, no?

  76. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    GB,

    Sure you’re not jealous?

  77. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    It’s not good for the opposition when a “Terminator” has been put back into service.

    Better run Tampa. Better Run Sux. Run fast as you can. Hide if you can.

    ;)

  78. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    one thing we can be sure of, chad and sweeney didn’t have it first.

  79. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    “In my opinion the Yankees should keep Nova.”

    Bret, valid opinion.

    But you would not make the absolutist remark that Nova is not going anywhere, correct?

  80. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN

    Am looking forward to YES crediting ESPN. For the record:NY Post,NY Times, Record,other stories don’t credit NYY network for Pettitte news.

    Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN

    I had no idea @JackCurryYES tweeted Pettitte story. Got a tip fm/Jeremy Schaap about possible NYY news, made calls, called it in. That’s it.

  81. ac1 March 16th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN
    I had no idea @JackCurryYES tweeted Pettitte story. Got a tip fm/Jeremy Schaap about possible NYY news, made calls, called it in. That’s it.

    ___

    I’m thinking Curry vs. Buster: HELLLLLLLL IN A CELLLLLLLLLL

  82. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Oh so you’re pragmatism is the Yankees pragmatism?

    Sounds like another manifestation of absolutist thinking.

  83. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Knicks look inspired.
    Playing like a team.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Try it again Bret. This time slowly.

    When someone says “I would think they will” it means that there is some uncertainty. When someone says “They will” that indicates absolutism.

    And finally, when someone ends it with “Time will tell!” that indicates the largest opening for a different outcome.

    Got it now?

  85. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    “One person with knowledge of the talks said that Pettitte was uncomfortable with the concept and at one point was ready to end negotiations with the Yankees and possibly even consider other clubs.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ged-031612

    Ugh…

  86. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    “In my opinion the Yankees should keep Nova.”

    Bret, valid opinion.

    But you would not make the absolutist remark that Nova is not going anywhere, correct?

    *********

    If I perceived the majority of LOHUD making blanket statements about Montero going nowhere and Hughes going nowhere I might just to show people how they sound with the hopes that they maybe put more time into crafting and presenting their opinions in a way that opens up discussion rather than diminishes it.

    I would like to discuss the possibility of Hughes going somewhere.

    I would be fine with others discussing the possibility of Nova going somewhere but not with me.

  87. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    GB,

    Sure you’re not jealous?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Of what? Needing to get rabies shots?

  88. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    im in on that ‘bounceback year’ for hughes, too!

    btw, that was a good call, Mick!

  89. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    you can look it up Ys guy…feb 27 lohud

  90. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Slowly?

    Are you implying anything by that statement?

    I mean, surely you would not resort to personal insults, right?

  91. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    mick…..easy boy, learn how to take a compliment! i meant that, good call, guy!

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    mick, I know I was positive Andy was not retiring and said so. (And then he retired).

    I don’t know if I get huge perspicacity points for being able to see beyond the retirement to his coming back, ha ha!

    Don’t know what I said about whether he would be back…

    Hmmm….

  93. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    # mick February 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Andy at mid season is more likely than Andy as a reliever.
    Let’s see if he’s got the fever and if Hughes is a bust again.
    That could open the door for mid and post season Andy.

    Now there’s your prediction.

  94. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    dont misinterpret my cyber chat…no offense intended

  95. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Jaclyn Renee ? @dubnoxious

    @Buster_ESPN so….. just so we’re clear… you DIDN’T actually break the story as was claimed by your employer?

    Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN

    @dubnoxious I made the calls, phoned it in, tweeted out.

    ————————————-

    Ahhhh, Buster.. ever the politician…..

  96. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    what’s more exciting? andy Pettitte’s return or Bluster Only getting caught denying everything.

  97. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    not many compliments given around here Y’s guy but no offense intended

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    “Slowly?

    Are you implying anything by that statement?

    I mean, surely you would not resort to personal insults, right?”

    I’m not IMPLYING anything. I’m directly pointing out that it took quite a few posts to explain something to you that someone with reading comprehension would have gotten immediately.

    About person insults? I’d probably resort to those only to someone rude enough to accuse me of “arrogant absolutism” in a post where there was more than enough to show that the stance was not immovable.

  99. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    # mick February 27th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Come back Andy and win one last one for Mo.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    mick – this could be enough to convince Mo that there’s plenty of baseball to be played after this season. After all, 3 of the core 4 will still be there this season!

  101. blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Why doesn’t Buster just admit that Curry broke the story….it’s not that big of a deal….good grief.

  102. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    # mick February 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    he sounds too busy at home to be down in Tampa.
    ===================
    something was up

  103. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Are you saying I am without reading comprehension?

    Surely you would not resort to personal insults, right?

  104. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    trish- mo told andy to come back…now it’s andy’s turn to convince Mo

  105. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    jeremy lin from Downtown!!!!!!!!!!

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    It’s not a personal insult. It’s a hardcore statement of fact. It’s hardly my fault that you have difficulty comprehending how sentences that follow each other are somehow connected.

  107. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    GB – Its amazing, really.

    Since he’s claiming YES will be crediting ESPN for the story, I just asked him if ESPN called Jack to let him break it lol.

    There’s this thing on Twitter called a time stamp that makes these things difficult to deny……

  108. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    you’re right mick not enough compliments around here most of the time, and im guilty of that myself alot. but you had that right and deserve the dap!

  109. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    Why doesn’t Buster just admit that Curry broke the story….it’s not that big of a deal….good grief.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Because, like ESPN, he has no professional integrity. It is to the person that was first with the legwork and news. It must be important to Bluster or he wouldn’t keep harping on it.

  110. blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Cain told Andrew Baggarly of CSNBayArea.com that he’s ‘torn’ about whether to sign an extension in San Francisco. “I’m definitely going to enjoy this season,” Cain said. “But you also think about going to free agency, and you might not have that chance again. So you really are torn between the two sides. It’d be hard to say it’s one way or the other.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  111. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    What is a fact, Trisha?

    That I am without reading comprehension?

  112. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    blake-

    Does it seem like we need more pitching right now ?

    :)

  113. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    “One person with knowledge of the talks said that Pettitte was uncomfortable with the concept and at one point was ready to end negotiations with the Yankees and possibly even consider other clubs.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s…..ged-031612

    Ugh…

    ————————————————————-

    I don’t believe that for a minute.

    Andy has made it clear since he came back from Houston that he only wanted to play for the Yankees.

  114. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    GB – Its amazing, really.

    Since he’s claiming YES will be crediting ESPN for the story, I just asked him if ESPN called Jack to let him break it lol.

    There’s this thing on Twitter called a time stamp that makes these things difficult to deny……

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    It only matters to the other writers who do the work, and it matters to the readers if they can’t trust the integrity of the writer. They have enough trouble trusting journalists as is. This doesn’t help.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    What is a fact, Bret, is that you apparently have a dog in this hunt:

    “I would like to discuss the possibility of Hughes going somewhere.

    I would be fine with others discussing the possibility of Nova going somewhere but not with me.”

    and are reacting in an extremely defensive fashion to anyone who might suggest something that takes your dog out.

    That’s your problem, not mine.

  116. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Trisha,

    Is it a hardcore statement of fact that I am without reading comprehension?

  117. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    heyman said that cain wants over $100M which would be a first for a RH pitcher, but that the giants will never go there. i dont think he’s going to sign, but who knows, SF is a great city and a great place to live.

  118. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Maine – I know I’m biased but that entire article sounds like PR spin to me… something about the the time tables and decision making doesn’t line up to me and all this rah-rah Andy wants to start in the majors right now but Cash just won’t let him doesn’t ring true IMO. Sigh…. I wish I wasn’t such a cynic.

  119. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    And Maine, just to clarify, I don’t think that thing about other teams is true either.

  120. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    No one cares that Tony Sanchez cursed on the radio? Not even a little bit? Finds it amusing? Well let me relate the whole story now that I’m out of the car.

    He was saying something about being blown away by the difficulty of the majors and Said “Holy S… Crap, heh see I caught myself guys.” The hosts laughed and said well we’re on the radio and we can catch that stuff. So then Tony Sanchez says, unsolicited, “Holy sht!” haha I thought it was quite funny, that he said it and that they didnt catch it.

    Its kind of an impulsive kid thing to do.

  121. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    heyman said that cain wants over $100M
    ==========================
    Mr Cain , come on down…

  122. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Trisha,

    Is Nova my dog? Are you going to take him out? What will you do with him? Shoot him?

  123. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    if it comes down to the integrity of YES (when not telling a reporter which questions to ask) and espn (bogus criminals) ill call it a tie.

  124. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    This Jack Curry / Buster business is funny. In this age of information dispersal who is ‘first’ matters reallllll little because stuff is retweeted and regurgitated by everyone so quick that whats more important is having a strong first take on the subject instead of being the first to report it. The lip service everyone plays to who is first is really just a product of the bygone era of newspapers and radio being the ones breaking the news.

  125. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Fight Night at The LoHud…

    In this corner, Trish…

    Tonite’s challenger:

    Bret the Hitman

  126. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    its alot more likely that the socks would give cain the big cash, imo. i hope he signs with the mc covey’s

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Bret – you’re showing your insecurities. Please stop because it’s really making you look like you’ve been tipping the bottle a little too much.

    I don’t know if you’re having a bad reaction to being turned down by the two females you were convinced wanted to be with you for life, but you are coming across like a nut.

  128. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN

    Twitter newsbreaking: At times, it’s like when you were kids crossing a state line in a car, reached out and yelled, “I WAS IN OHIO FIRST!!”

  129. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Mick,

    I’m merely sparring. :lol:

  130. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Please stop because it’s really making you look like you’ve been tipping the bottle a little too much.
    ================
    Too much Absolute?

  131. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Trisha,

    What are my insecurities?

    Is being without reading comprehension one of them?

  132. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    Please stop because it’s really making you look like you’ve been tipping the bottle a little too much.
    ================
    Too much Absolute?

    :lol: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  133. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Twits R Us

  134. blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    The Red Sox have their own 189 million salary problems….Matt Cain would make it difficult on them as well so I don’t know if they’d be going after him or Hamels either…..

  135. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    whats more important is having a strong first take on the subject instead of being the first to report it.
    ===================
    as I did on Feb 27, you can look it up on LoHud

  136. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    What kind of nut?

    A peanut? A peanut is a legume, basically a dried bean.

    An almond?

    Pistachio?

  137. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Jerkface – The problem as I see it is how adamant he is he did break the story.

    I agree with you that it matters very little which broke the news… but how do you deny someone broke a story before you when there’s a time stamp on you delivering the news? On top of that, he’s claimed that ESPN will be credited with the story. So my question is….. when does Jack get off that plane lol, cause I wanna know what little birdy chirped in his ear and if he was from ESPN but inexplicably gave the scoop to an outside reporter.

  138. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    hold on one sec, gotta field a text from one of those girls who “rejected” me and turned me into a peanut.

  139. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    Maine – I know I’m biased but that entire article sounds like PR spin to me… something about the the time tables and decision making doesn’t line up to me and all this rah-rah Andy wants to start in the majors right now but Cash just won’t let him doesn’t ring true IMO. Sigh…. I wish I wasn’t such a cynic.

    —————————————————————————————-

    That’s why I find it hard to take my Yankee info from the papers.

    To many agendas.

    To much like tabloids now.

  140. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    And made me tip the bottle while I was without reading comprehension.

    Ohhhhhh…I feel so vulnerable.

    Help me, Mick.

  141. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN

    @ilrosso_ Yes, you are correct. And Jack tweeted it faster than I did, or got the information faster, one or the other.

    Ummmmm…….

    This is just too much fun. Honestly people, please reconsider Twitter.

  142. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Looks like trish came to her senses or she’s down for the count…

  143. blake March 16th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    So Buster finally gives in….lol

  144. mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    no fans she’s rope-a-doping…

  145. MaineYankee March 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Time to watch Animal Planet.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Hey Bret, now I do have one for you to chew on. I will be happy to validate what you said before and provide a real (as opposed to imaginary) example of absolutism.

    HUGHES IS GOING NOWHERE!

    Have a good night, now!

    :)

  147. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    both the yankees and the socks will have the LT threshold to worry about. but the fact is that if either team is faced with declining revenues because they have fallen out of contention then they will have to bite the bullet and spend what they need to to compete. i have no doubt that the yankees will compete and have a shot at staying under the threshold, but i think the sock have a decent shot at 4th place this year if things go south, in which case they will have to spend what it takes to get back into contention even if it puts them over the threshold.

    im not predicting the socks collapsing, i think they will be good this year, but if i had to bet on either the yankees or the socks falling out, i’d bet heavily on the socks at this point.

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    I don’t understand how Curry could “scoop” anybody regarding the Yankees, whom he draws a paycheck from (YES NETWORK).

    It’d be one thing if he were still with the Times.

  149. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    mick March 16th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    no fans she’s rope-a-doping…

    *********

    LMAO!!!! :lol:

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “or she’s down for the count…”

    I chew up and spit out bigger than him for breakfast!

    Please, down for the count.

    I’ll let you know the first time that happens here.

  151. Shame Spencer March 16th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    That’s right blake.. it only took 200 people telling him to check the time line. He even took back that whole ‘YES crediting ESPN thing’ but did it in reply to other Tweets which means it doesn’t show up on any of his followers time line unless he specifically mentioned them.

  152. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    :lol:

  153. blake March 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Buster hardly ever breaks anything….Rosenthal and Tim Brown seem to actually break the most stuff to me.

  154. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    “Buster hardly ever breaks anything”

    Wind ?

    ;)

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Knicks looking great. The real test will be when they next play the Sixers.

  156. luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Hello everyone,

    I haven’t been able to follow baseball to close this past two days….

    JAP,

    What is your take on this Andy’s return?

  157. blake March 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    MTU,

    maybe that….are you all better now?

  158. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Blake-

    95%.

    Call it good for now.

    :)

  159. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    will YES or ESPN lower my cable bill if i credit them with ‘having it first?’

    … if not, screw both of them, mick had it first…

  160. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Duke going down?

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
    Hello everyone,

    I haven’t been able to follow baseball to close this past two days….

    JAP,

    What is your take on this Andy’s return?
    ///

    luis! Good to see you :D.

    I’m tickled pink, I really am. The com-Pettitte-tive fire in Andy never dies, and he pitched brilliantly in 2010. We can throw two lefties out of the rotation, too. Definitely be out there for his first home start to welcome him back. Not sure how – and who – this affects in the ever accordian-like rotation, though. That remains to be seen.

    What do you say, sir?

  162. blake March 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    MTU,

    that’s good….I’m feeling good but both kids have had RSV for like 2 weeks and it’s been rough…..I’m glad spring has almost sprung.

  163. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Today was a very big day in Yankeeland.

    Time to rejoice.

    :)

  164. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    trish craps out bigger things than brett…did she say that?
    we had it 1st..

  165. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Lehigh by 4 with 5 mins left
    2 2′s in one day…make it 3 with thrish

  166. MTU March 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Blake-

    Kids were put on this Earth to improve their Parent’s immune systems.

    Hope they both get better real soon and you get some much needed rest.

    Around here it has sprung already.

    :)

  167. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    :lol: That was weird. :lol:

  168. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    that’s #2 for the bball illiterate

  169. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    jap’s initial reaction was ‘oh no, they might trade hughes’, snatching dread out of a totally delightful situation.

    hugging is not just a habit, but a debilitating way of life .

  170. Bret The Hitman March 16th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Mick,

    WHAT? How did I end up a #15?

  171. blake March 16th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    “Kids were put on this Earth to improve their Parent’s immune systems.”

    qft

  172. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Lehigh by 6 over Duke say Game Over anothe r #2 bites the dus..March Madness!!!

  173. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Wood(son)sanity!!!

  174. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    I don’t understand how Curry could “scoop” anybody regarding the Yankees, whom he draws a paycheck from (YES NETWORK).

    It’d be one thing if he were still with the Times.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Why just pick Curry? Kay, Singleton, Lorenz. Flaherety all draw paychecks from YES and have twitter accounts. Sorry, but, your conspiracy doesn’t hold water.

  175. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Knicks are schiz…at least bi-polar

  176. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Woodsanity I like it.

  177. Tar March 16th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    HAHAHA go Lehigh!!!!!

    Blake

    My buddy told me today he would trade a Duke Championship for a Tar Heel loss to the 16th seed. I told him he was in for a big disappointment. :D

  178. luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
    Hello everyone,

    I haven’t been able to follow baseball to close this past two days….

    JAP,

    What is your take on this Andy’s return?
    ///

    luis! Good to see you :D .

    I’m tickled pink, I really am. The com-Pettitte-tive fire in Andy never dies, and he pitched brilliantly in 2010. We can throw two lefties out of the rotation, too. Definitely be out there for his first home start to welcome him back. Not sure how – and who – this affects in the ever accordian-like rotation, though. That remains to be seen.

    What do you say, sir?

    =================================

    I have mixed feelings….On one hand i’m thrilled to have him back, i think he embodies the term Big Game Pitcher, i was very sad when he announced his retirement.

    On the other, i am a little concerned, he hasn’t pitch in 17 months, he turns 40 in June and i don’t know yet what effect this is going to have with the rest of the pitchers, and how it is going to impact their careers ( does this means that Nova or Hughes might be traded? ).

    Then i wonder what would have happened if Andy signs in December and not in March.

    Don’t get me wrong, i am thrilled to be able to see him pitch again on pinstripes, i am just wondering what this move implies to the rest of the kids.

  179. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    woodson is going to have an avg. margin of victory somewhere around 38!

  180. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    MTU March 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    Blake-

    Kids were put on this Earth to improve their Parent’s immune systems.

    Hope they both get better real soon and you get some much needed rest.

    Around here it has sprung already.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Not for everybody. Day 3380 without David Dejesus.

  181. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    What an amazing sight to behold. Melo has turned into one of the Knicks’ biggest cheerleaders. Suddenly he’s passing off the ball to teammates and talking it up on the floor.

    I see this as acts of a marked man, but who cares. It’s working. Too bad he didn’t do the same thing when D’Antoni was here, but oh well.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Why just pick Curry? Kay, Singleton, Lorenz. Flaherety all draw paychecks from YES and have twitter accounts. Sorry, but, your conspiracy doesn’t hold water.
    ///

    Conspiracy? Huh? I have no ill will toward Curry.

    Wasn’t it Curry who was supposed to have “broken” the story? In which case, what would Kay, Lorenz, Flaherty have to do with the subject at hand?

    You can’t “break” a story about an organization you work for.

  183. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    You can’t “break” a story about an organization you work for.

    Ok but then no one broke it, because Curry had it first. Thats the point.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    JF, then no one “broke” it, he “reported” it. Breaking a story has a definite meaning in the world of journalism; it means you, the disinterested journalist, got ‘sources’ to give you info that others who operate theoretically on even ground with you failed to get.

    The Yankees spoon feeding an employee and him reporting it on Twitter isn’t “breaking” a story.

  185. tomingeorgia March 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Any Dukies out there? Read it at weep!

  186. tomingeorgia March 16th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “and weep”

  187. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    Why just pick Curry? Kay, Singleton, Lorenz. Flaherety all draw paychecks from YES and have twitter accounts. Sorry, but, your conspiracy doesn’t hold water.
    ///

    Conspiracy? Huh? I have no ill will toward Curry.

    Wasn’t it Curry who was supposed to have “broken” the story? In which case, what would Kay, Lorenz, Flaherty have to do with the subject at hand?

    You can’t “break” a story about an organization you work for.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Curry was talking about Pettitte doing a bullpen session with Pettitte’s oldest son the other day and asked Pettitte if he should draw anything from that session and Pettitte said no. It surely had to get Curry thinking about it, so, I’m sure he was around asking questions this morning. Pettitte was in camp on 2 occassions…came to Tampa, left and came back. For a seasoned journalist, it shouldn’t take a lot to start connecting the dots.

  188. Benny Blanco March 16th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Somebody is definitely getting traded. We ARE NOT doing the sixth man rotation again this year. Can’t risk it.

    You know CC, Kuroda and Nova are in. That leaves Pineda, Garcia, hughes and now Pettite. The yankees did not trade away their best prospect only to have him pitch in AAA this year.

  189. jr1212 March 16th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Trisha,

    When all the linsanity was goin on you would see Melo cheering his teammates. It’s hard to cheer when the team is losing.

    Regarding your previous post about the real test being against the sixers, the pacers are very good team and just beat the sixers by over 10 pts…

  190. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Why wouldn’t the Yanks “spoon feed” all of their journalists at the same time?

  191. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    YES, while an entity owned by the same megacorp that owns the Yankees, is still separate from the team. I think Curry can break news. He broke the Kuroda story as well.

  192. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I have mixed feelings….On one hand i’m thrilled to have him back, i think he embodies the term Big Game Pitcher, i was very sad when he announced his retirement.

    On the other, i am a little concerned, he hasn’t pitch in 17 months, he turns 40 in June and i don’t know yet what effect this is going to have with the rest of the pitchers, and how it is going to impact their careers ( does this means that Nova or Hughes might be traded? ).

    Then i wonder what would have happened if Andy signs in December and not in March.

    Don’t get me wrong, i am thrilled to be able to see him pitch again on pinstripes, i am just wondering what this move implies to the rest of the kids.
    ///

    luis,

    In terms of overview, I’m concerned about Hughes, primarily. I don’t think Nova is in any jeopardy, but who knows. I don’t take anything for granted when it comes to these people any more.

    About December: I just don’t believe these people ever had Jesus in their plans, so I think they’d have found a way to export him. But that was a thought of mine, too, for a fleeting moment. But then I remembered how much they’ve been building up Martin ever since he got here, and how they barely let Jesus sniff a catcher’s glove, and I just think he would have been gone, come hell or highwater.

  193. Eroc March 16th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “Why wouldn’t the Yanks “spoon feed” all of their journalists at the same time?”

    To establish Curry’s credibility as a writer with top connections to the Yankees org.

    Just like the Posada refusing to play story… Curry had all of that because they spoon-fed him, it was no surprise that Curry’s reporting had a negative stance and made Jorge loojk like the bad guy.

  194. Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    YES isn’t privy to what the Yankees front office does.

  195. Jerzz March 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    To be fair to Olney, he probably got a tip and investigated the story and did the work and thought he scooped everyone…. so he felt he was entitled to portray the story as his own, since he did do the work to get it.

  196. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Jerkface March 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    YES, while an entity owned by the same megacorp that owns the Yankees, is still separate from the team. I think Curry can break news. He broke the Kuroda story as well.
    ///

    Yeah, interesting, that. I disagree. He’s no longer disinterested (and I mean that theoretically; people who work for the Globe are still outwardly disinterested, even if they suck up to the Red Sox).

    He’s an on-camera Yankee guy now.

  197. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Curry seems to have enough credibility with other writers outside of ESPN cretins to not need to be “spoon fed”. As far as Posada looking bad, Curry didn’t do that..Posada did and later admitted that he was wrong.

  198. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    jap, finally the light goes on! the yanks were practically screaming all season long ‘either he catches or he goes!” but people just didnt want to see it and when people like me pointed it out, we were shouted down and insulted for pointing out what was so obvious!

  199. luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Thanks JAP, very good post

  200. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Jerzz March 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    To be fair to Olney, he probably got a tip and investigated the story and did the work and thought he scooped everyone…. so he felt he was entitled to portray the story as his own, since he did do the work to get it.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    The “tip” he got was from Jeremy schapp, who he neglected to mention until this flap started…about 2 hours later.

  201. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    JF, I don’t dislike Curry, I don’t think about him much. But there’s no way, for instance, that Michael Kay doesn’t know the general party line on Yankee business, because he’s always transparently supporting what that is or will be. Curry probably has more integrity, but he’s certainly not free to go counter to the Yankee agenda on YES, as he was at the Times.

  202. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    It’s WOODSANITY!!!!!
    Not since Bob Lemon took over for Billy Martin has a coach had this effect!

  203. Tom in N.J. March 16th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Curry was the Yankee beat/ baseball writer for the NYT, a post he inherited after Olney left for ESPN.

    I wonder if they have some sort of history…

  204. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    jap, finally the light goes on! the yanks were practically screaming all season long ‘either he catches or he goes!” but people just didnt want to see it and when people like me pointed it out, we were shouted down and insulted for pointing out what was so obvious!
    ===========================
    Ys Guy another clairvoyant on the LoHud

  205. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I’ll start to be impressed if the Knicks can walk into the Pacer’s arena, and beat them twice in 2 nights.

  206. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    there were several others, and i’ve been wrong on many other things. but it was obvious to me.

  207. luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    jap, finally the light goes on! the yanks were practically screaming all season long ‘either he catches or he goes!” but people just didnt want to see it and when people like me pointed it out, we were shouted down and insulted for pointing out what was so obvious!

    ======================================

    You were spot on, as you are now. But regardless of the Yankees perspective, the Yankees needed that bat more than they needed Pineda as the signing of Pettite demonstrates…We baciscally have seven starters for five spots not counting the likes of Phelps, Warren and Mitchell

  208. mick March 16th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Now if LIU Brooklyn can knock off Mich St…

  209. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Ys Guy, what was so obvious to me was/is the young man’s ability. There’s also historical Yankee precedent for “carrying” a catcher who brings more at the plate than behind it.

    This is a new Yankee paradigm that Joe Girardi brings, one that eschews high OPS from the catching position in favor of something closer to his own image as a catcher. At least, it will be so until someone like Gary Sanchez assumes the starting catching role – a few years from now.

  210. luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I forgot Joba, and Noesi!!

  211. Jerzz March 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    “I’ll start to be impressed if the Knicks can walk into the Pacer’s arena, and beat them twice in 2 nights.”

    Same here.

    At this point, the only thing that gets me excited is a strong surge to the finish. Not winning 2 in a row, losing 2 in a row, winning 1, losing 2, winning 2, losing 1, winning 2, losing 3, etc.

    A 14-4 surge or something and a seed in which they don’t face Miami and they’ve salvaged the year (assuming they win a game or 2 in the POs)

    A .500ish finish to the season to outlast the immortal Milwaukee Bucks and a 4 game shellacking by MIA, frankly, does nothing for us.

  212. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Curry was the Yankee beat/ baseball writer for the NYT, a post he inherited after Olney left for ESPN.

    I wonder if they have some sort of history…

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Bluster Only was quiet for quite some time with his twitter account until everyone bombarded him and then spent about an hour denying everything. He’s one of those questioning why Braun spent so much time denying the PED charge.

  213. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “About December: I just don’t believe these people ever had Jesus in their plans, so I think they’d have found a way to export him. But that was a thought of mine, too, for a fleeting moment. But then I remembered how much they’ve been building up Martin ever since he got here, and how they barely let Jesus sniff a catcher’s glove, and I just think he would have been gone, come hell or highwater.”

    J Al, I remember you commenting from time to time that you thought the Yankees were going to use Montero as a trade chip and I think you were the one who said that you were worried (my word) because Montero wasn’t playing winter ball because they indicated to you that Montero wasn’t going to be kept around. (If it wasn’t you, it was someone else here.)

    I absolutely believe that you are right, that they weren’t planning to keep him around and so no moves they made mattered in terms of Montero.

    If you’re right, it’s pointless for posters to continue to come up with scenarios and iterations where the Yankees could have done certain things and still kept Montero. If they had decided he was expendable, no scenario changes that.

    If people want to take exception with the Yankees trading Montero because they think he should still be here, that’s one thing. But to continue with all the things that could have been done to field a winning team, with Montero still in the mix, is just a total exercise in fantasy. If the Yankees wanted Montero here, Montero would be here.

  214. luis March 16th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    *basically*

  215. stuckey March 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    “This is a new Yankee paradigm that Joe Girardi brings, one that eschews high OPS from the catching position in favor of something closer to his own image as a catcher. At least, it will be so until someone like Gary Sanchez assumes the starting catching role – a few years from now.”

    The Very Temporary New Paradigm!

    I think that’s the title of Malcolm Galdwell’s upcoming new book.

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    I actually went back and forth on this. I said in here that Girardi was going to cost us Montero, and was roundly criticized for that, with people “assuring” me that Girardi wouldn’t be Montero’s demise as a Yankee.

    When they barely caught him, it occurred to me they were scared to put him back there, and that they were trying to keep him from being “exposed”. When Luis reported here that he was not playing Winter Ball, alarms went off.

    But yes, there was a part of me who could not/would not believe they would actually get rid of a hitter that deadly and that talented.

  217. Yank1 March 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    This is a new Yankee paradigm that Joe Girardi brings, one that eschews high OPS from the catching position in favor of something closer to his own image as a catcher. At least, it will be so until someone like Gary Sanchez assumes the starting catching role – a few years from now.

    ————–

    I dont think we need to worry about that JAP…. Cash will trade him for someone that we don’t need (or someone at an area that we’re already strong in), even if we need his offense.

  218. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    *which could not/would not

  219. Ys Guy March 16th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    girardi’s not calling the shots on trades. and i havent heard anybody who knows catching say montero is even passable behind the plate. but regardless, when they call up a guy who was sent home at the end of the minor league schedule to come take over, then throw a glove at him while he’s still got luggage in his hand and tell him to take over behind the plate, what more could they possibly do to say, ‘this guy sucks at catching’?

    i’ve got nothing against montero, i just always thought that unless they came to trust him behind the plate, he was nothing but trade bait, and in this case (for once) i was right.

  220. GreenBeret7 March 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    Ys Guy, what was so obvious to me was/is the young man’s ability. There’s also historical Yankee precedent for “carrying” a catcher who brings more at the plate than behind it.

    This is a new Yankee paradigm that Joe Girardi brings, one that eschews high OPS from the catching position in favor of something closer to his own image as a catcher. At least, it will be so until someone like Gary Sanchez assumes the starting catching role – a few years from now.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You also fail or refuse to realize that only twice in nearly 85 years have the Yanks made a rookie a front line catcher…Bill Dickey and Thurman Munson. Montero was not going to move Martin out this year. Not only that, but, legitimate concerns about the health/effectiveness of the young pitching and age of the two other starters led to the belief that they needed another front line type starter this year…..and going forward.

  221. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    I dont think we need to worry about that JAP…. Cash will trade him for someone that we don’t need (or someone at an area that we’re already strong in), even if we need his offense.
    ///

    Yanks1, well, like I said, I don’t take anything for granted any more with these people holding the reins. You could very well be correct, if he doesn’t fit their apparently very rigid concept of an acceptable catcher. They also have this DH thing they’re preoccupied with; let’s see if that’s still the case in a few years. Sanchez does have a greater aptitude for playing other positions, though. Better than Montero, at least, so he may squeak through ;).

    trisha, yes, it was me. Luis broke that story on Montero’s absence from WB. I did have that sinking, sick feeling in my stomach.

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    jr – I don’t think there is a question that Melo has turned into a team player where he was really quite the opposite before D’Antoni’s departure. Remember he’s in the top 10 of all NBA players in terms of isolation possessions.

    The way he no longer hogs the ball is incredible. I really do think it’s the mark of a man under a a huge spotlight. That said, may it continue!

    :)

  223. J. Alfred Prufrock March 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    You also fail or refuse to realize that only twice in nearly 85 years have the Yanks made a rookie a front line catcher…Bill Dickey and Thurman Munson. Montero was not going to move Martin out this year. Not only that, but, legitimate concerns about the health/effectiveness of the young pitching and age of the two other starters led to the belief that they needed another front line type starter this year…..and going forward.
    ///

    I think it’s you who fails to realize I wasn’t demanding, like, ever, that he be the first-string catcher as a rookie. I was content for him to be the backup to the Great Russell Munson, whose brilliance, to hear Cashman speak of him, would extend to brilliantly mentoring the Gloveless Wonder. I guess they figured, even Russell Munson could not redeem the Great Redeemer :D.

    You look around the room, and you tell me again, with a straight face, about those pitching concerns.

  224. yankeefeminista March 19th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    FTR, Mason doesn’t project to have Grandy’s power. We shall see.

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