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All eyes on Pineda’s fastball entering fourth spring start

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 20, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

One starting pitcher is going to steal all of the headlines today, but a different starter will actually take the mound for tonight’s game.

Michael Pineda makes his fourth spring start tonight, and Joe Girardi acknowledges that it’s time to begin truly evaluating his progress. When camp opened, the focus was on Pineda’s changeup — a pitch that’s actually been pretty good for him – but the focus has clearly shifted to Pineda’s diminished fastball.

“I know everybody is talking about Michael Pineda’s fastball velocity,” Brian Cashman said. “I wish I could give you an answer. It’s not where it was in the summertime, but I know one thing: I’ve watched every one of his starts except for the one, and I see how the hitters are reacting to him. Even the outs are soft. His secondary pitches are excellent right now. It’s allowing his fastball (to play up). Even if it’s not the power one right now that we believe he’s got coming, he’s still really good. And if that power comes back, he’s going to be great. I’m fine with it. I’m excited by his pitchability, and I’ll be even more excited if and when that velocity comes back.”

The Yankees say they’re not concerned, but I’m not sure that’s what they really mean. A little bit of concern makes sense right now, definitive judgment does not, and I think the Yankees are trying to say that they’re not passing judgment based on three spring starts. They know a pitcher’s velocity can grow as he gains spring arm strength — or even as he gains the adrenalin of a big league stadium – so the Yankees trusting the process before reacting.

That’s fair, but after trading the all-but-untradeable Jesus Montero, the Yankees are clearly banking on Pineda to become a reliable front-of-the-rotation starter, and a lot of that potential is based around a mid-90s fastball. Maybe he’ll show it tonight and questions will diminish. If he doesn’t, there will still be time for him to find it, but the cause for concern will be a little more obvious.

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152 Responses to “All eyes on Pineda’s fastball entering fourth spring start”

  1. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    re-post

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    GB, speaking of lefties, I also wonder where they will put Camarena. I can’t wait to get a look at him if he is in SI. But he may be placed in Charleston.

  2. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Well, according to Pineda’s apparently fake twitter account, that fastball will present itself tonight.

  3. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    re-post

    I would never teach any young Pitcher to even try to thrown in that fashion even if they could.

    He’s a one of a kind. Like a Juan Marichal.

    —————-
    I come from a background where the worst sin was getting muscle bound and I’ve seen nothing to change my opinion. Pitching or hitting is all about building up kinetic energy and then releasing it. So you want flexibily to develop torque, core strength and stamina. Pumping iron is contra indicated. Granted Lincecum can do things because of his flexibility but all the basics are there.

    Watching Hughes and Joba pitch, I actually wince in sympathy. It’s like they’re wearing fat man suits that impede their delivery.

    Hitting is the same thing. Stable base, Kinetic energy buildup and release.

    I’ll cheat and use my favorite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbAuVzctkhA

    Sorry about that – got a little carried away.

  4. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    The speed gun means Very little. The proof is in the pudding. Pineda’s performances this Spring speak for themselves, and the guy has had good results. Go To Black.

  5. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    LGY’s points about the payroll are very relevant to Hughes going forward. Its not about ‘writing him off’ as much as it is about timing and fit. If he doesn’t perform this year, is it fair for us to give up on him as a starter? No. But will the Yankees organization be forced to? Perhaps.
    ///

    Shame, that’s right, it’s not the same as writing him off, nor the same as trashing him. There are folks here, though, that are extremely high on Hughes and want to see him realize his potential in pinstripes.

    Those subgroups are all light years from those who have “trashed” him, and those who have expressed negative (fearful?) sentiments that he will never fulfill his promise. Even the latter group, if they really exist, are allowed to change their tune based on how well he’s throwing, I would say.
    ———————————

    Absolutely J. Al. I take the same approach with this as I did with Pat earlier today – I just don’t see any real Yankee fan rooting against a young pitcher developing into a front-line starter. I would love it if Phil became an Ace in pinstripes, but we have to not only manage expectations but we also have to manage what has now turned into an abundance of young talent specifically in the pitching department.

    If Phil delivers another poor season, would it be wrong for the organization to re-evaluate the ceilings of guys like Phelps, Warren, and Mitchell vs. Hughes? I don’t think it would be. And I think that would be fair.

  6. Doc Iac March 20th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    velocity is apperntaly only an issue for yankees pitchers.

    I know its an issue, but i mean it wasnt til recently we heard about ubaldo jimenez issue,

    but if he was a yankee, itd be front page news in Feb…

  7. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    i just hope that pineda doesn’t come out today trying to throw a ball through the backstop because he’s hearing the doubters. just like his previous starts, stay within yourself, use all your pitches and just tick the fb up another notch. you’re doing fine, kid just keep it coming along.

    and if it isn’t there, back off, don’t hurt yourself.

  8. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Ys Guy, Rothschild I am sure is saying the same to Pineda.

  9. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Well, according to Pineda?s apparently fake twitter account, that fastball will present itself tonight.

    ******************

    :lol:

  10. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    and if it isn’t there, back off, don’t hurt yourself.

    ————–
    Amen

  11. mick March 20th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    so far pineda has shown poise in reigning himself in…he seems unflappable like Nova

  12. jr1212 March 20th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Aroydis Vizcaino getting Tommy John surgery according to Buster Olney.

  13. jr1212 March 20th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Arodys*

  14. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Cashman shouldn’t address the “speed” issue in relation to Any Starter. Just get to the bottom line. How are the sticks reacting to his pitches, and is the guy giving you good innings\games. With a RP, I can see where the speed gun would be More relevant, as RP’s are frequently brought into a game where a K is needed. But as for SP’s, throw the speed gun away, and give the scout a beer which is what he really wants to hold anyway.

  15. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Pineda just needs to pitch….the worst thing he can do is pay attention to the papers

  16. mick March 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    i doubt pinda reads the papers

  17. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    GB, speaking of lefties, I also wonder where they will put Camarena. I can’t wait to get a look at him if he is in SI. But he may be placed in Charleston.

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    Don’t know much of anything of Camerena. Trying to remember the article with Newman. The question was asked about who from tampa might be starting in Trenton and though no decision had been made, along with Marshall it was either Turley or Mikey O’Brien.

  18. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Concerns about health were why the Yanks were willing to.part with Vizcaino and likely why he’s stayed in the bullpen…..

  19. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    IF Pineda reads papers I bet they’re in Spanish.

    :)

  20. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    so far pineda has shown poise in reigning himself in…he seems unflappable like Nova

    ———————-

    I believe you meant reining in – as in reining in a horse. The other doesn’t compute.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    If Phil delivers another poor season, would it be wrong for the organization to re-evaluate the ceilings of guys like Phelps, Warren, and Mitchell vs. Hughes? I don’t think it would be. And I think that would be fair.
    ///

    Sure, but if they’re evaluatiing “ceilings” with that group in mind, strong likelihood that Hughes is going to come out on top. Some in here speculated that Warren has a better fastball than Phil Hughes, for example. I like Warren a lot, but I would really disagree with that. DJ’s in a different category to me because he’s like a sinkerball specialist with a good change/curve combo, and Phelps is the most “pitcherly” of the group. But for sheer fastball, Hughes is clearly out in front, I would say.

  22. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I’d rather be Vizcaino then Soria.

  23. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    GB, he has been compared to Banuelos. He’s 19 y.o, 6’0 200 lefty. Smooth delivery, excellent control/command. Low 90′s FB, plus curveball and above average change. Mendoza said he was very polished with great mound presence and throws strikes. Another pitcher who could move quickly.

  24. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    MTU,
    Yea TJS is pretty darn predictable these days…..so that’s good at least

  25. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Maybe mick meant Pineda would one day reign. ;)

  26. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Hopefully, Viz comes back from TJS stronger and remains healthy thereafter.

  27. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    YF-

    How are we gonna fit any more sardines in our sardine can ?

    No matter how tasty.

    It’s full.

    :)

  28. upstate kate March 20th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    I am so confused…what am I supposed to be worried about? Pineda’s FB? His CU? His weight?

    I think I will just root for him to do his best :)

  29. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    blake-

    This will be Soria’s 2nd.

    A rarity to get and about as rare to come back from.

    Only other guy who comes to mind is Kuo.

    He’s had 2.

    I’m sure there are a handful of others.

  30. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    YF-

    How are we gonna fit any more sardines in our sardine can ?

    No matter how tasty.

    It’s full.
    ____
    Better full than barren. And as we all know, pitching is fragile. So, we can’t underrate the injury/ceiling unrealized/bust factor. Plus there is always the trade chip option.

  31. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    J.Al – I used the term ‘ceiling’ too loosely.

    I meant basically that with Hughes at the point where he is no longer making MLB minimum, they may consider the value of the lower level guys to be higher. I should have said value, not ceiling.

  32. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Maybe mick meant Pineda would one day reign.

    ——————–

    Missed that – That must be it.

  33. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    YF-

    I hear ya’ but we’re stuffed to the gills.

    Time for some more Position people.

    kate-

    Be like me and don’t worry about any of it.

    ;)

  34. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    MTU, it’s a-coming. We are packed with position players from A+ ball down. :)

  35. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Pineda is a Dragon and will bring in a Reign of Fire.

    :)

  36. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    And no doubt we will deal some AAA pitching for a cost controlled position player sometime soon.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    J.Al – I used the term ‘ceiling’ too loosely.

    I meant basically that with Hughes at the point where he is no longer making MLB minimum, they may consider the value of the lower level guys to be higher. I should have said value, not ceiling.
    ///

    Shame,

    They may indeed. Sigh.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=202o_JS7E04

  38. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Ring of fire? Truck driver woes?

    Oh, Reign – gotcha

  39. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    YF-

    OK. I can wait for Williams, Santana, Sanchez, Murphy, Heathcott, Bichette, and Austin.

    No problemo.

  40. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    mtu, i like it but not today…save the reign of fire for next month…

  41. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    MTU,

    Is Soria having TJS?

  42. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    MTU Flores and Bird et al…

  43. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Bo-

    Do you happen to work at an Airport ?

    You said something earlier in the day that seemed to allude to that I thought.

    Something about bumpy landings ?

  44. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    blake, Soria is seeing Dr. Yocum today to find out whether TJS is necessary.

  45. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Josh Norris ?Looks like Branden Pinder will join the Yankees for the game this evening.

  46. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Blake-

    Don’t know but if the UCL is known to be torn I’d say it’s likely.

    Y’s-

    Roger that.

    YF-

    It’s getting impossible to keep track. That’s where you and others come in.

    :)

  47. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    MTU, even for me… ;)

  48. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    But that means we are doing something right. #cornucopia!

  49. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    MTU, YF,

    Thanks.

  50. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Chad

    I think the way you framed the issue was spot on.

  51. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    re: Pinder, great to hear. He has an explosive fastball.

  52. G. Love March 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    When I see Cashman drop the Gammons/Theo term “pitchability” to explain why a pitching prospect is so great I instantly shudder thinking he traded a middle of the order bat for a guy who they are starting to realize isn’t what they thought he was from afar.

    If you don’t remember, “pitchability” was the buzzword for the great Casey Kelly who couldn’t break 91mph and the Red Sox needed to hype up in order to make the Gonzalez trade look fair on paper.

    I hope to God that pitchability is a word we don’t see in another month or two. Otherwise I’m starting to think that the Yankees scouting group who decided a guy who threw 95-97 for only 1/2 a season before settling into a lower velocity with poor results was worth a bat that could make the immortal Ibanez expendable.

    “Pitchability” scares the snot out of me coming from our GM’s mouth.

  53. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Gotta run.

    The Mops are callin’.

    Back later.

  54. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Otherwise I’m starting to think that the Yankees scouting group who decided a guy who threw 95-97 for only 1/2 a season before settling into a lower velocity with poor results was worth a bat that could make the immortal Ibanez expendable.
    -

    I’m not there yet, but if that happens, it is puke-worthy.

  55. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    ““Pitchability” scares the snot out of me coming from our GM’s mouth.”

    Lol….I understand that…..but I think its way too early to think he’s going to continue to pitch at 91…..what we want is pitchability at 96 and I still think that’ll be there.

  56. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Jack Curry ? Just landed in Tampa. Had a current Yankee pitcher and a former Yankee catcher on my flight. They were ex-teammates. Any guesses?

    Pettitte and Posada??!

  57. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    The risk has always been there; they decided to go there anyway. Nothing we can do about that now except hope for the best and not get too hung up on velo yet.

  58. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Jorgie coming out of retirement to platoon DH? ;)

  59. blake March 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Maybe Jorge is coming back too!

  60. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    re: Pinder, great to hear. He has an explosive fastball.

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    Seems a little unusual to bring in Pinder from rookie league. I would have preferred to see Montgomery

  61. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Simple math: Po > Ibanez

  62. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Erin March 20th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    Jack Curry ? Just landed in Tampa. Had a current Yankee pitcher and a former Yankee catcher on my flight. They were ex-teammates. Any guesses?

    Pettitte and Posada??!

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    Ford and Berra

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Rich,

    um, yeah. Had he been moved up in that ALDS lineup, we might have made it to the WS.

  64. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesi.....82Prg5aziP

    A-Rod spends $17,604 on his niece then disputes the charges. He’s an embarassment to the Yankee organization. The Yanks should tell him to drop the dispute of this chump change and get on with the business of returning to form and being 110% focused on baseball, not off the field BS like this, and spare me it’s not their place to tell him that. This is a free country. A-Rod wants to dispute chump change, then the Yanks have every right to tell him drop the dispute and move on. They should tell him he bought the goods and no one twisted his arm to buy them, so man up and take the pithy hit. What’s he gonna do, retire if he thinks the Yanks have shown him disrespect? Ask for a release or trade? No and no. He is under their employ and represents the organization, and this looks crass and awful considering $17,604 is a bar bill to the Yanks moreover all the people out of work who’d kill to have a job paying twice that a year ($35,208 isn’t alot but it’s better than $0/unemployment which runs out.)

  65. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Chump change to A-Rod BTW. Spare me he values the dollar cuz if he did he wouldn’t be lavishing his niece with $17,604 worth of stuff.

  66. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Looks like “Duh” is living up to his name again. try reading the article. Rodriguez’ sister said that she didn’t want him to spoil his niece and told her the stuff had to be returned. The store said there was no refunds.

  67. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    …and in an ironic incident, braves pitcher aroldys vizcaino and royals pitcher joachim soira were involved i an accident in the parking lot of dr. andrews clinic in alabama!

    turns out vizcaino, driving with only his left arm to alleviate pain in his right, failed to properly negotiate the turn and crashed into soria, who had just left dr. andrew’s office and was also driving with only his left arm to alleviate the pain in his right arm. fortunately neither player was hurt in the accident.

    :)

  68. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    10 points to anyone who had Flash as the catcher. ;)

    Jack Curry ? Drumroll, please…The great Mariano Rivera and the great John Flaherty. Thanks for playing “Name That Yankee Passenger.”

  69. tomingeorgia March 20th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Verlander pitching to Braves on ESPN in a few minutes.

  70. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    He?s an embarassment to the Yankee organization.

    ******************

    Because his niece likes to shop? :roll:

  71. Betsy March 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Everyone’s talking about Pineda’s velocity in part because Cashman has done the best he could to maximize the publicity surrounding it. I don’t understand why he has to keep talking about it.

  72. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Boo!

  73. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Something about bumpy landings ?

    ————————-

    Yep, Scourge of the Airways.

  74. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Betsy, Cash wants to preempt the negativity. He has been doing it from the moment the trade was made.

  75. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    That boo referred to the catcher being Flaherty, btw. ;)

  76. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    arod is fair game but his family is off-limits to me.

  77. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    tom, thanks for the heads up. I will check it out after lunch.

  78. Against All Odds March 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Mike taking a shot at Yankee pitchers not happy about Andy’s return

  79. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Verlander’s first pitch was only 91….what’s wrong with him?

  80. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Save your breath, YamkeeFem. At least this is her first post in months not blaming Hughes for destroying world peace and the ozone layer.

  81. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    cash did the round of shows to talk about andy. we should be glad the guy doesn’t just hide. he was asked the questions everyone else was asking and he answered. there’s nothing wrong with that, imo.

  82. tomingeorgia March 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Verlander opens at 94 mph.

  83. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “Verlander opens at 94 mph.”

    Espn gun had him 91-93….topped out at 93……he went 1,2,3 but didn’t throw 100 so its a fail

  84. Betsy March 20th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Why exactly does it matter what this Meredith Markovitz looks like? I guess that’s the kind of stuff female fans have to deal with on mostly male populated boards, but if we started going on and on about how hot a player is, you know there wouldn’t be a lot of patience for that (nor should there be, not on a sports board).

    Yankeefem, I think it’s more like Cashman can’t shut up than anything else.

    I said last year that Phil was too big on top and everyone poo-poohed that. His natural body type is a lot closer to what he looks like now, so yeah, I thought that he had bulked up too much.

  85. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    He?s an embarassment to the Yankee organization.

    ******************

    Because his niece likes to shop? :roll:

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    Um, because A-Rod is making $29M this year and is disputing a $17,604 charge he is 100% responsible for no matter who actually spent the money.

    And he gave his niece a credit card without telling her a limit on what she could spend, obviously.

    Imagine if everyone did what he did.

    Tell you what, sell me something I buy with my credit card then I’ll dispute the charge after I get the item and see how you like it, dumbo.

  86. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    GB, curious about Pinder, considering he was in NYPL, but he is supposed to have really good stuff. Maybe Montgomery just pitched and they want to keep him in a routine at camp, but hard to say why…

  87. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Well, if ARod is a regular customer who drops a ton of money there, probably a good business move to appease him and give him his refund. no?

  88. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    when i heard markovits was coming to YES, i went to wikipedia to see what she had done in the past since i had no idea who she was. and when i saw the photo i couldn’t help but notice the resemblance to kim jones, its kinda striking, especially with the similar haircut and the pic being taken in monument park. and the fact that she was voted ‘hottest’ or whatever also came right up when i googled her. i dont hold anything against her until i see and hear what YES allows her to do.

  89. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    GB, curious about Pinder, considering he was in NYPL, but he is supposed to have really good stuff. Maybe Montgomery just pitched and they want to keep him in a routine at camp, but hard to say why…

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    Maybe so. It hurts losing Burawa like that. I haven’t seen Pinder so it will be something new for me. I keep hearing about his big fastball. Does it rival Kahnle’s heater?

  90. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    He’s not disputing the charges…only that there is no return except for store credit.

  91. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “Um, because A-Rod is making $29M this year and is disputing a $17,604 charge he is 100% responsible for no matter who actually spent the money.”

    So you’re upset that Arods sister doesn’t want her child spoiled and that Alex doesn’t want his 17 grand wasted? Ok….but nobody else probably cares.

  92. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    how could any yankee fan NOT like a girl like this: !!!!!!!!

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bfpR.....ankees.jpg

  93. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    The difference between the the new replacement and Jones seems to be the difference of the backend of a Ferrari and a ’59 Buick.

  94. tomingeorgia March 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Wish I had an Uncle Al.

  95. Betsy March 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Alex can’t win for being alive – I’m surprised he’s not being taken to task for breathing.

  96. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Um, because A-Rod is making $29M this year and is disputing a $17,604 charge he is 100% responsible for no matter who actually spent the money.?

    ********************

    OK. But I’m still not getting why the Yankees should care that he took his niece shopping.

  97. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    For the record… Piniella adds no hotness factor to the booth.

  98. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    is it me or is ‘the babe’ winking at me in that pic?

  99. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    For the record? Piniella adds no hotness factor to the booth.

    *****************

    True.

  100. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    GB, I haven’t seen him pitch. But I recall reading Slater saying he throws 94 but it seems like more and Borrell had him topping at 97 and called his stuff “electric.”

  101. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Kim Jones just looks more horny and that’s what makes her hot in her own way.

  102. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Looks like “Duh” is living up to his name again. try reading the article. Rodriguez’ sister said that she didn’t want him to spoil his niece and told her the stuff had to be returned. The store said there was no refunds.

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    Hey dickface, I read the article. I could care less what A-Rod’s sister said. The article is about a man pulling down $29M this season disputing a pithy $17,604 charge he is 100% responsible for because there are no refunds at this store. And he’s doing this in a time where people are out of work and businesses are struggling. He’s also doing doing this when he’s not even close to being worth what he’s being paid i.e. he’s an overpaid credit card cheat to boot. Not that I’d give him a pass if he was worth his salary.

    BTW there is no criminality involved with the amount rung up as A-Rod gave the card to his niece to use, therefore he will lose the dispute and if he wins, the store could sue him for the negative publicity he has brought the store among other things.

    Since you want to bring up A-Rod’s sister, why did she ok her niece being given the card but not set a limit, if she even gave the ok? Maybe she didn’t set a limit. If she didn’t give the ok, that’s on her. If there was a limit, that’s entirely on her not A-Rod although he could’ve set one, too. Both A-Rod and his sister messed up.

    If my daughter’s filthy rich uncle gave my daughter a credit card to go shopping, I would set a limit on what she could spend. It appears A-Rod’s sister didn’t do that with her daughter, so she’s just as much at fault for her daughter going ape with the card as A-Rod if not more because I doubt he would’ve given his niece the card if her mother/his sister didn’t want him to. I also doubt he’d have given his niece the card behind his sister’s back.

    But you keep sucking A-Rod’s toes like your girlfriend Erin.

  103. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    how could any yankee fan NOT like a girl like this: !!!!!!!!

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bfpR…..ankees.jpg
    _______________
    Likely the 46% and growing female fan base…

    And that pic says it all about her baseball credential. No serious reporter would be caught dead doing that.

    And Bret in right on cue… Time to go watch Verlander.

  104. Against All Odds March 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Kim Jones just looks more horny

    ——————————-

    ?????

  105. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Um, because A-Rod is making $29M this year and is disputing a $17,604 charge he is 100% responsible for no matter who actually spent the money.?

    ********************

    OK. But I’m still not getting why the Yankees should care that he took his niece shopping.

    ———————————————————–

    Why should they care? Because it’s an off the field distraction he doesn’t need just before the season begins, especially after the 2011 he had where he was injured and a shadow of his once great self when he was playing. Are you this dense in real life?

  106. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    94 MPH is plenty good enough in relief as long as there’s something more to go with offspeed.

    This from RAB on Pinder. Who knows? They think he’s starting in Tampa. Can’t imagine both Pinder and Montgomery closing in Tampa.

    “Scouting Report
    A starter with an 89-91 mph fastball and a sweepy, high-70?s slider when drafted, the Yankees shifted Pinder to the bullpen and streamlined both his delivery and his repertoire. Just like that, he started sitting 94-95 with his fastball and occasionally touched 97. He added some bite to his slider and at times it was a legitimate strikeout pitch, though the pitch needs work because it tends to flatten out on occasion. The fosh changeup he threw in college has been pushed aside thanks to his new role.

    Big and strong at 6-foot-3 and 210 lbs., Pinder has a low arm slot and throws across his body a bit, so it remains to be seen if he can be as successful at limiting walks as he was with Staten Island long-term. Here are two clips of him from this past summer.”

  107. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    If Carl Pavano wasn’t such a f*ck up I’d have been head over heels for him.

    He had that confused look down pat. That’s the ticket for me. Sort of like Peyton, right Erin?

  108. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Verlander has been 90-93 with his fastball and doesn’t look overweight at all? What gives?

  109. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    kim jones is a very good reporter, imo i think her work with the giants and on wfan stands on its own and shows she’s good, opinionated and smart. i also happen to think she’s very pretty, but that’s neither here nor there when it comes to doing her job.

    i think YES totally wasted her talents feeding her fluff to fill the broadcast with and trying to use her as eye candy. i also think she’s much better suited to covering football and seems alot more comfortable doing that and i think that’s why she left YES.

    i hope the same thing doesn’t happen to ms. markovits but i fear YES will just do the same old, same old…

  110. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Bret has been crazy lately. Are we sure that’s still Bret? I don’t recall hearing so much sexist bullsh*t from him before this.

  111. Against All Odds March 20th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Because it’s an off the field distraction

    ———————-

    It is?

  112. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Rodriguez was at the store when the purchases were made…not the mother and Rodriguez didn’t give his niece the card and say “go have a party”. The dispute is not getting a refund…only credit from the store. Go piss on your dog again. That’s your only purpose on here.

  113. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    “And that pic says it all about her baseball credential. No serious reporter would be caught dead doing that.”

    See, I can’t get on her for that stuff.. I mean.. women reporters are judged a bit more harshly, IMO. Usually by other females. If it was Sweeny doing that I’d chuckle lol.

  114. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    yf, if that pic is from something that was broadcast or something, then i agree with you. but you have to allow that they could be hers or someone else’s personal pictures and maybe she just is a yankees fan or a babe ruth fan. i dont think there’s anything wrong with the picture if it wasnt taken for some kind of publicity type thing.

    as for her credentials, like i said i never heard of her but she’s done work in philly covering the sixers and for 1050 and other places, so i have no reason to question her ability right out of the box.

    i will reserve my judgement and wait and see what i see. as i said above, i fear that YES just wants he for her looks and she won’t do any real reporting, but i’m going to keep an open mind on her.

  115. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Bret has been crazy lately. Are we sure that’s still Bret? I don’t recall hearing so much sexist bullsh*t from him before this.

    ———————————-

    Puberty will do that to a boy.

  116. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    - BERET7 -
    This is “Jerry Gallo’s dead”\ My Cousin Vinny, all over again. People read headlines, and don’t read the full story that follows.

  117. yanks61 March 20th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Since so much of the conversation is still about pitching, here’s a very interesting article from SABR. Yes, the survey is old (1978), but I’m pretty sure still on the money. So much for “pitching wins” as just an old canard :) So in case this hasn’t yet been posted, here goes -

    http://research.sabr.org/journ.....f-baseball

  118. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    If Carl Pavano wasn?t such a f*ck up I?d have been head over heels for him.

    He had that confused look down pat. That?s the ticket for me. Sort of like Peyton, right Eri

    ********************

    Peyton makes the “confused look” look charming. :)

  119. LGY March 20th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    It’s funny how the two people, in Duh and GB7,working up so much anger over this Arod thing are both so wrong about what’s going on.

    Alex is not looking for a store credit GB. That’s what the store offered him. He’s disputing the charge through his credit card company looking for a refund.
    And an off field distraction Duh? Good grief. It takes 10 minutes to submit a dispute through AMEX. One of his assistants submitted the claim and the rest is 100% handled by them. A month later Alex will get a letter from AMEX with the result of his claim. What a distraction :roll:

  120. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Now he’s got 1st and 3rd with nobody out and you start seeing some 95′s

  121. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Against All Odds March 20th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Because it’s an off the field distraction

    ———————-

    It is?

    ————————

    Yeah it is because it’s in the papers thus public domain (like his life is), it casts A-Rod in a bad light, and if you knew anything about the guy (which you don’t) it’s that he hates being cast in an unfavorable light. That feeling creates distraction in him and don’t insult my intelligence by telling me things like this off the field BS don’t chip away at his ability to be the best he can be on the field cuz they do and have chipped away. To what degree, I don’t know, but it must affect him to some degree as he’s not just a baseball player. This is just another thing which is pulling him away from concentrating on baseball. He hates being cast in an unfavorable light yet provides the media the ammunition to paint him the villain.

    You people are the dumbest trees in Yankee cyberspace, you really are.

  122. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Regardless of the woman’s sports credentials, she’ll be assumed that she’s there for her looks…like Koebler and Andrews. Waldman may no longer have the looks, but, she’s a damned good interviewer, no matter how much idiots complain. she’s good enough that she has been honored with a display in Cooperstown for being the first woman to broadcast a post season game. Anybody on here have that honor?

  123. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Duh is clearly distracted so there…

  124. tomingeorgia March 20th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    blake,
    He’s doing it, too, but one 95er results in two rbis for Hinskey.

  125. blake March 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Heyward just missed a homer..wind hurt it a bit.

  126. Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Duh Innings seriously needs a life

  127. Irreverent Discourse March 20th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Did this article come down the pipe from TDN? Does Chad have to write this media driven nonsense or does he actually believe it….. scary thought…

  128. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    The Poster simply stated an opinion. Duh’s reaction to A-ROD and the credit card charges, is NO different than Randy’s in regard to Cashman and the Hussy.

  129. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Just a guess, but, “Duh” is too similar to Pete Abraham for it to be a coincidence. somebody toss him a jelly filled donut and watch him scramble for it.

  130. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    i think it’s quite well written, gets to all the important points and asks the important questions.

  131. G. Love March 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Ok. Did someone in here say Beetlejuice three times? Fess up.

  132. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Rodriguez was at the store when the purchases were made…not the mother and Rodriguez didn’t give his niece the card and say “go have a party”. The dispute is not getting a refund…only credit from the store. Go piss on your dog again. That’s your only purpose on here.

    ——————–

    Hey numbnuts, the Post has A-Rod shopping at the store with his niece, the Huffington Post has A-Rod giving his niece the card to use and her in the store unsupervised. I could give a @#$% where he was as the card is under his name and was used with his authorization, ok?

    I never said the mother was at the store, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. YOU’RE the one who brought up the sister and her disapproving of the amount spent.

    A-Rod was at the store? Ok, well, he bought $17,604 worth of nonrefundable goods and is now trying to not pay for them. Credit schmedit. He wants $17,604 tied up with this store, yeah riiight. He wants a chargeback after nonrefundable goods were purchased making him a credit card cheat because you are stilltrying to take money away from a store, owning the goods or not. It’s their money now no matter what he and/or his niece do with the goods. And what if his niece already used/wore what she bought? If she bought a bag priced at say $3G and created a scratch or two on it, guess what? She owns it and even if the store took it back, the item would be unsellable thus the store would be out $3G. We don’t even know the condition of the goods.

    You want me to piss on my dog? You pervert LOL. First off I don’t have a dog. Second have a Drano milkshake.

  133. austinmac March 20th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Anyone criticizing AROD for anything that happens at a store needs to get a life. And this typ e of person calls others names. I guess it was lunch break in junior high.

  134. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    I like Waldman & I like Sterling.

    Sure he gives his audience the occasional heart attack with the deep hit balls but those two come to work very prepared.

    Unlike Kay.

  135. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    The Poster simply stated an opinion. Duh’s reaction to A-ROD and the credit card charges, is NO different than Randy’s in regard to Cashman and the Hussy.

    ——————

    Neither is the response to it.

  136. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427

    From May 1 until season’s end, Brett Marshall had a 2.87 ERA, the fifth best in the Florida State League.

    Marshall will be 22 on Thursday.

    Here’s Josh Norris’ short piece on Marshall.

    http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....-no-2.html

  137. stuckey March 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Looks like the forum is rounding into regular season form.

  138. Irreverent Discourse March 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    is NO different than Randy’s in regard to Cashman and the Hussy.

    … and that reaction by randy was so well liked…

  139. Duh Innings March 20th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Duh Innings seriously needs a life

    ————————————————

    Nah you need a life cuz if I don’t have one, what does that say about you going out of your way to read what I wrote then feel compelled to write your little jab without a period at the end? It says you have less of a life than I do.

  140. blake March 20th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    “I like Waldman & I like Sterling.”

    Yea…I posted this weekend that I listened to a game on the radio for the first time this year and it just made me feel good….like a comfortable feeling I don’t know how to explain it…..id miss then both if they were gone I think.

  141. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Yep…no question about it…it’s good old Pete Abraham.

  142. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Maybe we should discuss Dustin Hoffman again.

    Better yet, lets pick the next great actor of the younger generation who may one day be discussed on an unrelated forum the way Dustin was yesterday.

  143. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    He’s tough. :)

    Erik Boland ?Cano, hit by pitch on left hand Sunday, arrived today with no wrap or anything on it. Just took BP in indoor cage

  144. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    The idea that Pete would troll his former blog (probably out of boredom from his own inactive one) is the most amazing thing I’ve heard today.

    What would Pete’s centaur name be? Magna Pondus?

  145. LGY March 20th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Disputing a charge is not supposed to be taken literal. It’s just the phrase credit card companies use.

    You can “dispute” a charge for any number of reasons. You may not be happy with the goods you purchased. You may have stayed at a hotel and not been pleased with the service. Etc.

    As a consumer once these people have your money you have no leverage. The credit card companies provide this service of disputing a charge to handle those situations. Not just fraud or unauthorized charges or whatever.

    Alex has every right to use this service just like any other AMEX cardholder. It doesn’t matter how rich he is.

  146. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    The idea that Pete would troll his former blog (probably out of boredom from his own inactive one) is the most amazing thing I’ve heard today.

    What would Pete’s centaur name be? Magna Pondus?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s been caught doing it before on here…along with other Yankee boards.

  147. Irreverent Discourse March 20th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Hey, who cares about A-Rod’s credit card? Show of hands?

    … looks around…

    *crickets*

  148. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    New Post (good timing Chad): Garcia scheduled to throw bullpen

    :arrow:

  149. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Randi was nowhere near gang-banged like you guys are doing “DUH”. You treated Randi like the “Crazy Uncle”, like a member of the family. Your attempting to completely drive DUH away. Fair is fair. This aint it.

  150. hardwired7 March 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    “His secondary pitches are excellent right now.”

    And how. I’m a sucker for breaking pitches that leave the batter looking like a swing-and-a-miss fool. Pineda can throw those seemingly at will.

    He’s so much closer to the batter on release than the avg pitcher that his FB velo should never really be a concern (see D-Rob).

  151. BIG AL March 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Good afternoon.

    Its so nice to come back to the blog, and folks are still engaged in such pleasantries.

    GB7 -

    Keep in mind one thing, when you speak to a deaf man, he does not hear, meaning you’re wasting your time trying to make an ignorant person understand a logical point of view.

  152. m March 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “Slumlord cheats poor niece”?

    Just kidding. What’s with the niece?

    Why did the store let her charge so much?

    Where was Alex?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

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