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He’s back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 20, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andy Pettitte is scheduled to rejoin the Yankees today in Tampa. He’ll settle into the clubhouse, throw a bullpen and address the media in a 6 p.m. press conference — all of which seemed entirely out of the question just a few days ago.

Now that the shock has worn off, it’s time to find out what Pettitte has left.

Truth is, there’s very little risk involved here. For the Yankees, $2.5 million isn’t a massive commitment, and the team has plenty of rotation alternatives to cover them if Pettitte doesn’t work out. Like Brian Cashman said, “Why bother” is not a good excuse, and so the Yankees are happy to take this chance on one of their most popular players of the past two decades.

What surprises me is that the Yankees were willing to take on significant risk, and they seem completely convinced that Pettitte will be exactly what he was in the first half of 2010.

Cashman has admitted that he offered Pettitte $10-12 million in late December. That’s basically the Hiroki Kuroda contract, except Cashman was offering it to a 39-year-old who hadn’t pitched in 17 months and spent the second half of his final season on the disabled list before suffering a back injury in the playoffs. Joe Girardi has said he fully intends to have Pettitte on his big league staff this season, despite already having six starters who seem capable of doing the job.

“Our expectation is that he’s going to be who he was when he left,” Girardi said. “I don’t think we would have signed him if we didn’t expect him to be who he was when he left.”

Maybe Pettitte will make that happen, and if he does, the Yankees will have a proven, familiar, reliable starting pitcher to add to their rotation a month into the season. His first start at Yankee Stadium will be electric. Teammates will be thrilled to have him back. There’s no question Pettitte believes this team can win a World Series.

There is considerable optimism surrounding this deal, and very little downside.

“It’s only been a year, right?” Robinson Cano said. “Just put it in your mind when somebody gets hurt for a year and can’t play for a year or something like that. He was here (last month) and he was in good shape. You see how happy everyone was when he came in here. The energy, everybody likes him. Great guy. He’s funny. He’s got everything. That’s a guy that I’m happy to see him back.”

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251 Responses to “He’s back”

  1. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Welcome back, Andy!

  2. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    “Our expectation is that he’s going to be who he was when he left,” Girardi said. “I don’t think we would have signed him if we didn’t expect him to be who he was when he left.”

    **********

    Translation – Pencil in Andy Pettitte.

  3. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    The Yankees clearly think Andy can be close to what he was…..and hearing Andy yesterday he does as well….Andy doesn’t seem to be the type of guy who would have done this if there was any doubt in his mind he coukd be successful……so we will see how it goes….if Andy is Andy then that’s a difference maker in a playoff series…..Freddy Garcia isn’t….Freddy is a solid get you through the season type pitcher right now.

  4. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    There was a good article by Sherman about how tough it is to stop playing when you think you still can. Many players say make them tear the uniform off of you.

    I think Pettitte will do well, but they can’t let it derail Hughes if, in fact, he is back.

  5. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    See ya’ around May or so Andy.

    Stay healthy in the meantime.

    P.S. Teach Manny your pick off move and let him pick your brain.

    :)

  6. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    OT, http://www.nytimes.com/subscri.....gnId=39UWJ

    Bastids.

  7. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Yay!! :)

  8. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    blake March 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am
    “I’m glad Pineda didn’t touch a ball all off season. He probably needed the break and it probably helped him recover from a strenuous first full season. I’d say by him doing that his risk of injury went down.”

    That’s impossible to say…..but i would guess they want to ramp him up slowly so he gets to full strength and stays there for October…..

    **********

    I’d much rather have that than the reverse. Start strong and fade like he did in 2011. He should peak at just the right time this season. It’s not like he forgot how to pitch. His secondary stuff is working. The strength will come back. I’m actually glad he was able to enjoy a long layoff. Rest is very important to pitchers because it’s such a stressful activity on the arm. A little rest won’t hurt Pineda. I think it’s the opposite and I expect him to find his big-time velocity by June.

  9. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Everything should stay frozen in place until we see how our season goes.

    Yankees should be in no rush to do anything.

    For now, they are in the Catbird seat.

    Plenty of time to make changes after we know exactly what we have.

  10. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    I hardly read the Times anymore and they will go away like Newsday did for me. These newspapers will lose more readers than gain revenues with this crap.

  11. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    I don’t know what Pineda should have done if the offseason, but coming in 10-20lbs overweight wasn’t one of them.

  12. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    10 pounds is hardly much for a 6′ 7” guy.

  13. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “I think Pettitte will do well, but they can’t let it derail Hughes if, in fact, he is back.”

    It’s up to Hughes to pitch to his ability and if he does then he shouldn’t have any worries. He’s going to be 26 this year, time to pitch like an effective ML starting pitcher.

  14. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    “I don’t know what Pineda should have done if the offseason, but coming in 10-20lbs overweight wasn’t one of them.”

    Judging by comments about him from those that know him, he won’t do that crap next season.

  15. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Hard copy newspapers are going the way of the DoDo bird.

    They are slowly but surely going extinct.

    Can’t compete with the Internet.

    Electrons are replacing pulp at a rapid pace.

    It will only accelerate in the Future.

    Old school people are gonna miss sitting down with the newspaper and a cup of Jo on a Sunday morning.

    Kinda hard to warm up to a “Kindle”.

    :(

  16. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Loved listening to Greeny and Golic this morning.. exactly what I expected. They actually said that if Garcia, Hughes, and Nova are all pitching well that Andy ‘won’t be a factor.’

    Yeah…. ok.

    Anyone here actually buy that?

    I don’t think its really gonna be an issue because I just don’t know that we’ll see the best performances from those three, but even if we did one would be shipped out or sent down to make room for Andy.

  17. Benny Blanco March 20th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    You guys are killing ne with the weight gain…LOL

    Pineda has been in camp since Feb 14 and has lost considerably weight since then.

    When you are 23 years old, burning off 10 lbs is nothing.

  18. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    What kind of tree is Pineda ?

    A Redwood.

    A Sequoia.

    A Ponderosa.

    A Kauri.

    :)

  19. Benny Blanco March 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    considerable weight*

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    mick March 19th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    ..and celluloid heroes never really die.
    ///

    LOL. Not sure what this had to do with the former discussion, but gotta say, great taste, there, mick.

    Great song, great band.

  21. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    “When you are 23 years old, burning off 10 lbs is nothing.”

    So what? It’s not what you want to see from your players.

  22. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    “So what? It’s not what you want to see from your players.”

    Nope, he made a mistake and one that I hope he doesn’t make again. Hughes made the same mistake last year so I expect he learned his lesson too.

  23. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I think it sometimes takes a while to sink in for some Athletes that being a pro, and being the best
    is hard work and takes continuous effort.

    ;)

  24. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Which is one of the benefits of having Pettitte around so that others can see how hard he works at his craft.

  25. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    True.

    No one works harder.

    He’s a great example to the young guys.

  26. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    3.8% weight gain over 5 months for a 6′ 7″ guy is insignificant. It’s insignificant for a guy who is 5 feet tall. About the only person who would consider it significant is a sorority sister or a cosmo covergirl.

  27. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    ” About the only person who would consider it significant is a sorority sister or a cosmo covergirl.”

    Don’t diss Cashman.

  28. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Craw-

    And on top of that.

    He’s a fountain of knowledge on how to Pitch and compete successfully.

    :)

  29. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Publicly he expresses concern, privately he probably isn’t all too worried.

  30. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    “Don’t diss Cashman.”

    Can I diss about his taste in women?

  31. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I can’t believe some people are defending Pineda on this. The Yankees are unhappy about it, and according to reports are concerned if it is affecting his velo. If you have the privilege of being traded to the Yankees, you should come in in the best shape of your life.

  32. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Can I diss his rappelling technique ?

  33. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “Can I diss about his taste in women?”

    She may have skillz… Just sayin’. ;)

  34. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am
    OT, http://www.nytimes.com/subscri…..gnId=39UWJ

    Bastids.’
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    c’mon rich, .99 a month? the daily paper costs twice that….

  35. Benny Blanco March 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Rich,

    Pineda had no idea he was getting traded. I’m not going to judge someone because they gained a couple of pounds in the off season.

  36. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Rich-

    He’s young.

    Sometimes guys have to learn the hard way.

    Learn by their mistakes.

    ;)

  37. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Pineda will throw a ho hitter and it’ll still not be enough for those who hold a grudge with him for being the All Star pitcher who The Yanks traded their Minor League DH for……..Nick picking will go on until he blows every resentment away…..And he will…….Man, Yankee fan mentality certainly has changed over the past 10-15 years…..Rag, Rag , Rag on the home team has replaced the old root, root , root …….And this comes from some who say they’re more than the recent in vogue Yankee fans that came to define the Jeter era

  38. Bret The Hitman March 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Cashman (peering over his shoulder in the mirror): “Are my thighs too fat? I hope people don’t think my thighs are too fat. Pineda’s thighs… those are some big thighs. There, I feel much better now.”

  39. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    “I can’t believe some people are defending Pineda on this. The Yankees are unhappy about it, and according to reports are concerned if it is affecting his velo. If you have the privilege of being traded to the Yankees, you should come in in the best shape of your life.”

    I can’t defend any player not keeping himself in shape. Not at the monies they’re getting paid now.

  40. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am
    I can’t believe some people are defending Pineda on this. The Yankees are unhappy about it, and according to reports are concerned if it is affecting his velo. If you have the privilege of being traded to the Yankees, you should come in in the best shape of your life.
    _____
    But it’s OK for fans to have dissed Hughes…? I’m not a fan of double standards.

  41. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Benny

    But if losing weight at his age is so easy, he still had almost a month to lose the “couple” of pounds, which some reports say was as high as 20.

  42. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    ” About the only person who would consider it significant is a sorority sister or a cosmo covergirl.”

    Don’t diss Cashman.
    —————————-

    Don’t diss shallow women!

  43. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Kinda hard to warm up to a “Kindle”.

    —————————————

    Very true but teenage boys all over the world haven’t needed an actual copy of Playboy in a very long time.

    The downside being when mom catches them on a particular website the ole “I was just reading the articles!” excuse doesn’t fly.

    :wink:

  44. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “c’mon rich, .99 a month? the daily paper costs twice that….”

    Well, that’s a time-limited trial offer. Truth be told, I pay it because there is stuff I need for work.

  45. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “Don’t diss shallow women!”

    Trust me, I don’t. :D

  46. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “But it’s OK for fans to have dissed Hughes…? I’m not a fan of double standards.”

    You are talking about fans, even the best ones have their moments of being fickled.

  47. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Bottom line is I don’t care how any Pitcher “looks” as long as they can perform.

    If being a little overweight affects them then that’s a concern.

    If not, it’s noise.

    Actions talk. Results are what counts.

  48. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    “Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am
    Pineda will throw a ho hitter and it’ll still not be enough for those who hold a grudge with him for being the All Star pitcher who The Yanks traded their Minor League DH for……..Nick picking will go on until he blows every resentment away…..And he will…….Man, Yankee fan mentality certainly has changed over the past 10-15 years…..Rag, Rag , Rag on the home team has replaced the old root, root , root …….And this comes from some who say they’re more than the recent in vogue Yankee fans that came to define the Jeter era”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    YEAH, BUDDY! How about we ROOT for our team every once in a while! way too many spoiled brat yankee fans!

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!!

  49. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Joel Sherman ? YES named Meredith Marakovits to replace Kim Jones as their clubhouse reporter for #Yankees games.

  50. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Jeers-

    :)

  51. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Anybody know anything about Meredith Marakovits? First off, is she nice to look at.

    Shallow that’s me.

  52. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    So wait. We can’t both criticize Pineda for what the Yankees are publicly criticizing him for and then later root for him when does well?

    That’s nuts.

  53. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Craw, that’s true. But people align on their agenda’d side and call themselves objective. It gets so petty; it’s not worth reading.

  54. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Here’s Meredith!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Marakovits

  55. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    I think you could actually make a case that we should be on CC’s case more than either Phil or Pineda for gaining weight in the off season/during the season because he’s an older vet and should theoretically know better.

    These questions about motivation and lack of worth ethic should be pretty funny to anyone who has a son in their early 20s.

  56. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    River Ave. Blues ? Marakovits has been on the air here with SportsNet NY and covered the Yanks in 2010 with ESPN Radio. She covered the Phillies and 76ers too.

  57. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    So wait. We can’t both criticize Pineda for what the Yankees are publicly criticizing him for and then later root for him when does well?

    That’s nuts.
    ———————————–

    Surely, you jest!

  58. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    The 10 lbs is only an issue because 1) its the Yankees 2) because of Hughes last year. He’s already reportedly lost most of the weight so now its just about building his arm strength to where it needs to be. Id expected an uptick with the velo tonight….he’s been a little stronger each time out…..just like Cash said….he can be a good pitcher at 92-93 with his command and slider…..he should be a great one when the velo comes around.

  59. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    “Craw, that’s true. But people align on their agenda’d side and call themselves objective. It gets so petty; it’s not worth reading.”

    I haven’t met a passionate baseball fan with a team loyalty that is totally objective.

  60. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I diss everyone, even the undissables, equal opportunity. To stay in shape, I diss me.

    The divas – “Ah, thick ankles”. Only for the most cruel occassions.

  61. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Craw-

    I approve.

    You have good taste.

    Sign her to replace Kim as the on-field sports babe.

    ;)

  62. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am
    Here’s Meredith!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Marakovits
    _____
    Are we dumbing down? Went from Suzyn to Kim to this “hot” chick. Or am I stereotype? Next we’ll have cheerleaders. Groan.

  63. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    “stereotyping” (should read)

  64. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Are we back to the spoiled Yankee fan trope?

  65. JobaTipsHisCap March 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    this season yankee pitchers should hit some of key sux hitters.

  66. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    “Marakovits was named one of the 25 Hottest Women in Sports Media by BleacherReport.com in Oct. 2011…
    actually she bears some resemblance to kim jones, prettier but similar. is that all she’s got?

  67. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    She covered the Yankees for ESPN 1050 in 2010.

  68. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Craw, totally objective and fan is an oxymoron, I agree, but some are less inclined toward confirmation bias then others, and actually consider an opposing point of view. Just saying.

  69. Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Nice. I like Meredith. She oftens appears on SNY’s SPortsnite in the Faceoff segment. Definitely hotter than Kim Jones

  70. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Marakovits

  71. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    River Ave. Blues ? And Marakovits is on Twitter @M_Marakovits.

  72. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    *than others

  73. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    All of these young guys should go to API in the off season.

    And since I said it it’s official policy now.

    :)

  74. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Rich in NJ….It was comes off that some are actually hoping for Pineda to fail to justify their anger over Montero being moved…..The Yanks have in the past traded better and more accomplished players than Montero and I can’t recall such negativism…I understand this is the age of the Internet, but it’s been 2 months……..YS Guy, I’m with you buddy

  75. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Have you guys checked out the projected Charleston roster? Its unreal ….this Tyler Austin cat apparently can really hit and he will play RF for them they say….Dante at 3rd…..

  76. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    YF-

    Your option is to improve on Jack Curry.

    ;)

  77. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Blake-

    Give GB some credit for his advanced scouting.

    He’s been all over Austin.

    :)

  78. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 9:43 am
    Rich in NJ….It was comes off that some are actually hoping for Pineda to fail to justify their anger over Montero being moved….
    ____
    Names, please! I can only think of one person, and he has backtracked on hoping Pineda fails. So, this is a lohud fallacy.

  79. Benny Blanco March 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Blake,

    Cash was on francesa last week raving about how good his change was developing. When the velo comes around he’ll be allright. Pineda is the least of my concerns.

  80. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    fem – I gave up my dreams of sports broadcasting after being forced into hair and make-up for 2+ hours. I would only do it again if I knew that Michael Kay also spent that much time in hair and make-up before games.

  81. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    MTU,

    He seems to he the best prospect nobody talks about much…..

  82. mick March 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Joel Sherman ? YES named Meredith Marakovits to replace Kim Jones as their clubhouse reporter for #Yankees games.
    ============
    she’s a younger version of kim…a good friend from Penn St, her protege…she even looks like her.

  83. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    MTU, I would prefer more baseball people doing analysis and less sidebar stories for the purpose of eye candy. ;)

  84. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    yanekeefem-I’m sure the players won’t have any complaints. ;)

  85. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Pineda has pitched pretty darn well this spring besides the freak out over velocity…..he’s been pretty much as advertised otherwise…..throws strikes….nasty slider…..he gets ugly swings at 92….can’t imagine at 96. ….and yes his CU looks pretty good also….

  86. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “It was comes off that some are actually hoping for Pineda to fail to justify their anger over Montero being moved….”

    It might ‘come off’ that way but I think that’s just your perspective, Pat.

    Even with the criticism, I don’t think anyone on here (okay.. maybe one..) is actually rooting for Pineda to fail.

  87. mick March 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    kim clone more fluff on the way…

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
    I diss everyone, even the undissables, equal opportunity. To stay in shape, I diss me.

    The divas – “Ah, thick ankles”. Only for the most cruel occassions.
    ///

    Hilarious. :D

  89. mick March 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    i’d rather have montero fail then pineda

  90. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    “I would only do it again if I knew that Michael Kay also spent that much time in hair and make-up before games.”

    I would guess it takes longer than that to make that mug look presentable…

  91. mick March 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    should be “than” pineda, big difference

  92. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    i’m fine with pineda’s performance so far this spring. its early, his secondary pitches were what everybody was worried about and his velocity has gone up a little each time he’s pitched. he’s looking fine to me. its still weeks till opening day.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    _____
    Are we dumbing down? Went from Suzyn to Kim to this “hot” chick. Or am I stereotype? Next we’ll have cheerleaders. Groan.
    ///

    The Jets have become an embarrassment with that midwestern schtick. Like the wave, there’s no place for it in NY metro area. Could you see the Giants having cheerleaders?? Never. And I am a Jet fan, not a Giant fan.

  94. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Blake-

    Like I said. GB has been all over the guy.

  95. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    michael kay has a radio face and a newspaperman’s voice.

  96. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Austin’s got a bat, that is for sure, and has gotten attention from some pundits. There is no denying his batting potential, although I haven’t personally seen him play. Probably have to see what happens with his D though. The consensus seems to be that he will have to mash if his position is 1B.

  97. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    blake….Pitchers start with control and location and then escalate to spotting with velocity…..The Hughes factor last spring was more about a tired shoulder than it was about being a few lbs and conditioning…..Even if he didn’t miss his winter at API, it’s believed it wouldn’t have made much differnece last spring…….A dead arm is dead arm, and it’ll always be a factor just as it has for the decades before

  98. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    YF,

    I think I read where he has average big league speed….hence probably the RF experiment….if he can play RF then that opens up his chances a bit.

  99. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    JAP-

    No offense but I like seeing cheerleaders.

    The more the better.

    :)

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    CompassRosy March 20th, 2012 at 1:37 am
    Jeff Datz (M’s 3B and Catcher’s Coach) on the Cactus League Report tonight

    http://tinyurl.com/73d7ntx

    on Montero’s “big night” – catching 3 of the young guns in one game last week… [paraphrased]

    “We caught him that night for that reason – it’s a special crew you’re going to see a lot of here in the future as we go forward. To see him handle them the way he did – we had just talked to him about a couple of things that morning and cleaning up some things and working on some things … he started that night carrying it into the game. It’s good to see. It’s still a work in progress – we know that and he knows that but, we are being patient with him. Our goal is to make him an everyday catcher and he’s going to be something special to watch for years to come in Seattle.”
    ////

    I need to stop reading backwards.

    Tony Pena, Joe Girardi, even the Yogi of catching in the house to impart centuries of wisdom.

    SMH, SMH, SMH.

  101. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Shame Spencer…..Maybe you’re right, I hope so

  102. Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    YF

    Hope Greg Bird lands at SI this year. Can’t wait to see him hit. He is a monster

  103. blake March 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Pat M,

    I agree….I think his shoulder was the main issue….however its hard to ignore how fit he looks this spring and how much more freely he’s throwing the ball…..Hughes looks great ….best he’s looked in two years.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
    JAP-

    No offense but I like seeing cheerleaders.

    The more the better.
    ///

    It’s an East Coast thing, especially a northeast thing, and emphatically, a NY thing. No place for that here.

    You wouldn’t understand :D.

  105. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    blake, we’ll see re: RF. He killed it in the ST game yesterday though. 3/4 with 2 doubles and a booming HR.

  106. mick March 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    It’s an East Coast thing, especially a northeast thing, and emphatically, a NY thing. No place for that here.
    =========================
    “DISCO SUCKS!!!”

  107. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    blake……Phil does look good and was told back in January that he’d blow people away when he arrived at camp……..He skipped API for the first time since he started going there after the 2008 season…….JAP , really

  108. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Hughes not only has slimmed down, but shows more agility. He was so muscled up that he was too contracted physically. He is now so much more flexible, which you can see in his delivery.

  109. blake March 20th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    MTU wanted them to sign Upton to replace Kim…..Kate Upton :)

  110. Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    mick March 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
    It’s an East Coast thing, especially a northeast thing, and emphatically, a NY thing. No place for that here.
    =========================
    “DISCO SUCKS!!!”

    ____________________________________
    DISCO….OH OH OH.. Its where the happy people GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  111. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    if the giants or the yankees ever tried cheerleaders or a mascot, there would be a fan revolt.

  112. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Pat M.-

    Don’t you think the better conditioned you are the less likely you are to develop those kinds of problems other things being equal ?

    I sure do. It’s certainly true in climbing and hiking.

  113. mick March 20th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    …those were the days, and don’t forget STREAKING.

  114. mick March 20th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    a mascot would get booed off the field…

  115. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    RE: cheerleaders, both my brother and other healthy males in my section actually boo the cheerleaders. It probably is an east coast thing for some. It is especially upsetting when you are losing in a critical game as the 3rd quarter ends and you just fumble the ball, but hey don’t worry about that. It’s just a game; let’s roll out the cheerleaders to do some little routine while you are in curse mode and not in a good mood. The peppy music and disco moves are so incongruous and disorienting, but hey the Jets are all about entertainment over winning so…

  116. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    JAP-

    You mean East coast Men don’t like seeing beautiful women dancing ?

    you’re right I guess I don’t get it.

    :)

  117. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    can you imagine being the guy in the “Mr. Yankee” suit, about to head out into the NYS stands for the first time?

    I’d demand a protective cone….

  118. tomingeorgia March 20th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    JAP,
    Do you consider DC to be Northeast? Washington has had the “Redskin Girls” forever. A cousin of mine was one in the early ’60s.

  119. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    East Coast guys don’t like cheerleaders??

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:02 am
    Hughes not only has slimmed down, but shows more agility. He was so muscled up that he was too contracted physically. He is now so much more flexible, which you can see in his delivery.
    ////

    Yes. Hughes is getting great results, but it’s his demeanor and how he’s purposely throwing, getting that good stride tot the plate, that makes me know everyone should be on alert: he means business this season.

    I think those rooting hard for Hughes have the sense that this is the year he delivers on his early promise. It’ll be a crusher if he doesn’t get that chance, here, in the Bronx.

  121. LGY March 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Pat

    How does this ANDY PETTITTE news impact our bet?

  122. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Hey. If you guys back East don’t want your share of Cheerleaders at games please feel free to send ‘em our way.

    Thanks in advance.

    :)

  123. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    The cheerleading incongruity is similar to when “fans” at Yankee Stadium ask you to take their picture, while the Yankees are up to their last AB’s while losing a critical playoff game but the game is still within reach. You are like, “huh?”

    Happens all the time in NYS. Rarely happened at OYS. (I think Pruf has written about this experience, as well. And I know it happens a lot.)

  124. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    personally im a bit concerned about nick swisher’s “pumped up” physique and im not even talking about ped’s. i have some concern he might have overdone the muscle building. but we will see, hopefully he has the same kind of contract year that so many others have had.

  125. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Rich in NJ….It was comes off that some are actually hoping for Pineda to fail to justify their anger over Montero being moved…..The Yanks have in the past traded better and more accomplished players than Montero and I can’t recall such negativism…I understand this is the age of the Internet, but it’s been 2 months……..YS Guy, I’m with you buddy

    Pat

    One more time in case someone missed it: I want Pineda to be great and Montero to suck.

    I hate myself for it, but it is what it is.

    I do, however, think they traded a position of weakness (no other ML ready potential impact bats) for a position of strength (pitching was not a problem last season, and they have both good high level ML ready mL depth and great high near ML ready mL depth).

    Plus, pitchers are fragile. That’s why I LOATHE the trade.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    tomingeorgia March 20th, 2012 at 10:08 am
    JAP,
    Do you consider DC to be Northeast? Washington has had the “Redskin Girls” forever. A cousin of mine was one in the early ’60s.
    ///

    Like the Wave at the Stadium, there’s no place for that “rah rah” schtick at Jets games.

  127. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    yf, playoff games don’t count, more than half of those people are not really baseball fans.

  128. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Man. You East Coasters don’t mess around.

    You’re all buisness.

    :)

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Pat

    One more time in case someone missed it: I want Pineda to be great and Montero to suck.

    I hate myself for it, but it is what it is.
    ///

    Rich, nothing you can do about deliberate misreading, which goes on a lot here. Remember, others know what someone’s genuine take is on an issue, and can therefore identify when someone’s getting the strawman treatment. The posts are all on record here.

  130. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Hughes just needs to stay healthy; everything else will follow.

  131. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    much to my amazement, the yankees actually DID have a mascot and it was while i was rooting for them.

    not surprisingly “dandy” was a complete dud. fortunately for him the stadium was empty back in those days…

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....25960.html

  132. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    I want them both to do well.

    Only time I want Montero to suck is when he faces the Yankees.

  133. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    LGY……The return of Dandy Andy shouldn’t impact our wager that Phil Hughes makes the rotation coming out of camp…..It’s Ivan Nova who will be on the bubble come May

  134. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I got Ibanez penciled in as the “whipping boy” when the Yanks open at home 4\13. Fans loved Damon, and if Ibanez is Still attempting to hit his way outta that wet paper sack, the crowd is gonna eat him alive. That wet paper sack has “Nick Johnson” enscrawled across it it, causing Cashman to cringe with each empty Ibanez hack.

  135. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    FTR, I want both Pineda and Montero to excel.

  136. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    YF-

    And Campos and Noesi too ?

    ;)

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am
    The cheerleading incongruity is similar to when “fans” at Yankee Stadium ask you to take their picture, while the Yankees are up to their last AB’s while losing a critical playoff game but the game is still within reach. You are like, “huh?”
    ///

    This happened to us during a crisis point in Game 5 ALDS last year.

    We were, like, WTF?? Get out of here! (Nicely, of course).

  138. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    I hear you, JAP.

    yf is a far better person than I am (but you knew that!!!)!!!

  139. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:13 am
    yf, playoff games don’t count, more than half of those people are not really baseball fans.
    ____
    Unfortunately, it is also often true of regular season now too (sigh).

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:19 am
    FTR, I want both Pineda and Montero to excel.
    ///

    +1

  141. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    i LOVED the trade and i will be rooting hard for our guy, pineda to become an ace. but i will also root for montero as much as i root for any other good young ballplayer i come across. and i intend to draft him in my fbb drafts (and hope he qualifies at C)

  142. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    YF-

    And Campos and Noesi too ?
    ____
    Absolutely. I still not only root for but closely follow Wang and many of our departed prospects. I am not going to stop rooting for them and it in no way diminishes my passion for the pinstripes.

  143. mick March 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    I’d demand a protective cone….
    ===================
    and a cup.

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am
    I want them both to do well.

    Only time I want Montero to suck is when he faces the Yankees.
    ///

    Montero will always be a Yankee to me. We raised him up through the system, and I’m going to watch his career with something of a proprietary pride, and with some sadness, no doubt.

    Who knows. If Pineda can stay healthy and is here for the long term, maybe they can be teammates in six years. A fellow can dream…

    luis and anyone else interested: yes, Montero’s shot was oppo, over the 385 sign.

  145. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    I hear you, JAP.

    yf is a far better person than I am (but you knew that!!!)!!!
    ____
    Rich, only in that one regard… ;)

  146. LGY March 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Pat

    OK by me.

    Just keep in mind whoever wins this competition between Hughes and Garcia is just renting that slot from Andy for the month of April :evil:

  147. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Pruf, yes, we did raise Montero. Can’t abandon your children even if they are excommunicated. ;)

  148. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    LGY, how do you know it will be Hughes’ spot? :twisted:

    (Or are you referring to his impending FA and cost issues?)

  149. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    if the giants or the yankees ever tried cheerleaders or a mascot, there would be a fan revolt.

    ——————–

    They had a mascot in the 70′s

    True story. Look it up.

  150. blake March 20th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Pat M,

    I don’t know about Nova being on the bubble…the big issue there is service time and nova has 3 more years of it left than Phil does……now if Nova is struggling then yea….but I haven’t seen much to suggest he will……I like him a lot….he’s not a front line guy but he coukd certainly be a solid career #3 workhorse type guy I think… I don’t know his its all going to shake out….but id much rather have the Yankees rotation problems than the Red Sox rotation problems.

  151. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “Just keep in mind whoever wins this competition between Hughes and Garcia is just renting that slot from Andy for the month of April ”

    I’m not so sure it’s just that one slot.

  152. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    im a huge yankees fan and have been since dad took me to the old catheral to see the rookie stottlemeyre pitch to the senators…and i love the rivalries and all…but in the end, i’m a baseball fan and i root for most baseball players. not against the yankees and not if success for them means defeat for my yankees, but otherwise i like good ballplayers…like cole hammels…ian kennedy…ryan howard…matt kemp… (and yes, i’m gonna say it…) dustin pedroia… and a ton of other guys who play for other teams.

    i do have a few i dont like for some reason or another (and alot of them do actually wear the red and blue of boston), but on the whole, i baseball, i like ballplayers and i like stadiums, fans and the whole thing. i love going even to kauffman stadium to see the woefull royals take on the equally woefull a’s or to go to beautiful pnc park and watch the reds battle it out with the pirates in september!

    i’m just a baseball fan who is also a yankees fan.

    so that’s why i can root for pineda AND montero. (except when our interests collide…)

    good luck jesus! see ya round…

  153. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am
    YF

    Hope Greg Bird lands at SI this year. Can’t wait to see him hit. He is a monster
    _____
    Yep, I am hoping so. And they say they will give him every chance to catch. However, with all the logistics regarding placing players, Bird might even be in Charleston. Interesting to see where everyone is roster-wise once mL camps break.

  154. Crawdaddy March 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I have no rooting interest in Montero any longer. If he wears a Yankee uniform again then that will change at that time.

  155. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Blake-

    I tend to agree with you on Nova.

    Both him and Hughes have both had great success at the ML level.

    Personally, at this point, though I like Hughes a great deal I think Nova has a superior assortment of stuff and more of a bulldog attitude.

    They are both good but I actually think Nova is a little better at this time.

  156. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Kimberly Jones After 7 years, I have left the YES Network. Thanks to my great friends/colleagues who do such great work. I will miss them & I will miss u.

    Kimberly Jones ?A special thank you to Yankees fans & YES viewers, who demand excellence. You pushed me to be better. I thank you for watching.And tweeting.

  157. LGY March 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    LGY, how do you know it will be Hughes’ spot?

    (Or are you referring to his impending FA and cost issues?)

    ———

    I like Hughes a lot, defended him many times throughout his up and down career in Pinstripes, and still believe he can be a very good MLB starter.

    However, given the Yankees new budgetary restrictions I don’t see a future here for Phil Phrancise.

    On the other hand, Pineda and Nova are EXTREMELY important towards the Yankees goal of getting under 189M. They need those two to be quality MLB starters.

    Just trying to assess the situation objectively when it comes to Hughes.

  158. blake March 20th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    MTU,

    I think Hughes still has more upside than Nova if he could ever add a plus secondary pitch that will miss bats…..when right he has better command and a better swing and miss fastball….I still think Hughes COULD be a frontkine guy….Nova may have a higher floor.

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Pruf, yes, we did raise Montero. Can’t abandon your children even if they are excommunicated.
    ////

    Damn right ;)

  160. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    If anyone else missed ESPN radio interview with Andy as I did: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/n.....id=7710742

  161. Pat M. March 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    blake….I’ve always liked Nova and I do see him being a starting pitcher stalwart for years to come…….He neeeds to get as much seperation time from his forearm issue as possible……Still say it’s playing in his head……Garcia, who was inked as an insurance policy will be on the move if eveything shakes out come May / June

  162. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    blake, completely agree on Hughes/Nova and ceiling, and I do love Nova.

  163. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Blake-

    All of that is very open to debate.

    You could make a case either way.

    No matter. it’s great to have both of them and I hope they both have stellar seasons.

    For Hughes, that is probably even more critical.

    I pull for both equally, and for all our guys.

    When it comes to being good I play no favorites. It only makes the whole team better.

  164. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    LGY, so finances are the basis for your post vs. evalution of Hughes’ ability, correct?

  165. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    *evaluation of

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    However, given the Yankees new budgetary restrictions I don’t see a future here for Phil Phrancise.
    ///

    It will be a supreme and cruel irony if presence of Andy Pettitte, the only current time-tested, true homegrown pitcher, bumps out this era’s progenitor for pitching offspring developed from within.

  167. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Marc Carig’s mom passed away. :(

    Andrew Marchand This is a really nice tribute to his mother from @MarcCarig. http://bit.ly/GB0YKc

  168. LGY March 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    LGY, so finances are the basis for your post vs. evalution of Hughes’ ability, correct?

    ———

    I think Pineda and Nova are going to be better than Hughes this season anyway, but yes, finances will play a huge role in this decision imo.

  169. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Andy had to cancel his elk hunt in order to come back? :lol:

  170. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    LGY, I know finances will play a huge role, just wondering what your evaluation would be were they not a concern.

  171. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Erin March 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
    Marc Carig’s mom passed away.

    Andrew Marchand This is a really nice tribute to his mother from @MarcCarig. http://bit.ly/GB0YKc
    ______
    :( Poor thing.

  172. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    YF-

    I’ll take his tag.

    :)

    LGY-

    I wouldn’t underestimate Hughes this season. He’s a Man on a Mission, and his back is to the wall unlike the others.

  173. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    “It will be a supreme and cruel irony if presence of Andy Pettitte, the only current time-tested, true homegrown pitcher, bumps out this era’s progenitor for pitching offspring developed from within.”
    ______
    QFT I think Hughes, as the face of building the farm, is one of the few players that Cash is (was?) actually sentimental about…

  174. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    MTU, yep. Hughes is going to kick *ss!

  175. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    YF-

    I think they are all gonna kick butt especially Hughes.

    :)

  176. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I root for a guy in another uni ONLY if his success aids the Yankees cause, OR one of my Fantasy Teams.
    You guys with the buggy whip opinions, should pipe down. One day Hughes issa bum and oughtta be run\traded outta town, then, a week later he’s the next best thing to sliced bread, and Nova is getting drug thru the mud. Lotta milk toast around here.

  177. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Kimberly Jones Oh, yes, and thank you to Target Field for deciding a “Pork Chop on a Stick” stand was good business. Memories….

    :lol:

  178. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    YF-

    In fact I’d go so far as to say that overall, BP included, the Yankees will have one of, if not the best,
    Pitching staffs in baseball this season.

    Completely deadly.

  179. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Austin was 18-0 in SBs last year. So there is some speed.

    Change of pace – I watched some video on Lincecum mechanics last night. It’s still awesome

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb,wp3050

  180. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    And one of the best AAA rotations in baseball too !

    ;)

  181. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Donnybrook, always supported and have fought for Hughes. Ditto, Nova. Lohud fallacy or name names. Tired of these generalizations on this board over and over again. Name names, people.

  182. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Bo-

    Rubberbands were designed to stretch but they were also designed to break eventually.

    :(

  183. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
    And one of the best AAA rotations in baseball too !
    ____
    Yeah, could argue lower down as well. A, A- should be pretty darn good. AA with Marshall, Stoneburner, maybe Bleich back, et al. Should be good times all around! :)

  184. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    MTU, only thing missing is De Paula… Think good thoughts/visualize his visa in hand bringing him stateside.

  185. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    YF-

    A powerhouse.

    Forget Con Edison.

    :)

  186. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    MTU, Yankee Electric Power Co. :)

  187. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    YF-

    I will do that.

    As you know I have a very good imagination.

    People don’t realize that he is as good as or better than Campos.

    I hope they get a chance to see 1st hand.

  188. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Those to which it applies, know EXACTLY who I aim that post at. And if you feel the need to defend yourself from such, maybe it indeed does apply to you.

  189. ron March 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    It just feels like hughes is going to have a huge year.

    Imo,he’s going to be the best or 2nd best pitcher on the staff this year.

    I think he can do it,if he learns too finish batters off,and that will come if he develops a changeup because hitters won’t be able to sit on his fb,making is better.

    Hitters kept fouling his fb off,til he made mistake,a changeup will change that,especially against lh.

  190. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Donny, whatever floats your boat.

  191. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Just heard the new O! Andy! lol. Classic. Thanks, Joey! <3 Andy.

    I too will add it to my Yankee soundtrack for ride to Stadium. I am ready for OD right now. #pumped

  192. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Rubberbands were designed to stretch but they were also designed to break eventually.

    —————–
    Musclebound pitchers rip and tear by definition

    The best news on Hughes is the flexibility this year, flexible core, loose muscles

    As to Lincecum – If I’m at the plate and the guy turns his butt to me and then all that sling shot sproing comes at me, I’m freaking.

  193. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    MTU, De Paula is very advanced. Unlike Campos also supposedly has the secondary pitches now. They expect him to move fast IF we can ever get him here. And yes, I appreciate your very good imagination and your ability to visualize. Have at it, please! :)

  194. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    im with ron, 17 wins for phil this year (one more than pineda!)

  195. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “Musclebound pitchers rip and tear by definition

    The best news on Hughes is the flexibility this year, flexible core, loose muscles”

    Exactly, as per what I posted above. Love that flexible core.

  196. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    The “LoHud Fallacy” thing is laughable. Creating a term with the Blog’s name in it does NOT add any relevance or credibility to the posters or the Blog in general. You guys and the Blog don’t require it. Your doing fine, and the “LoHud fallacy” thing only makes you look insecure.

  197. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Bo-

    Was referring to Timmy.

    Love watching him. Rooting for him to continue to succeed but I think that delivery might catch up with him one of these days.

    Especially as he ages.

    He’s a tremendous athlete but that’s one unorthodox delivery.

    ;)

  198. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “The hostages were tremblin’, when they heard a man exclaim,
    ‘let’s blow this place to kingdom come, let Con Edison take the blame!’
    But Joey stepped up and he raised his hand, said ‘we’re not those kind of men,’
    It’s peace and quite that we need, to go back to work again.’”

    :D

  199. Tackelberry March 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am
    MTU, De Paula is very advanced. Unlike Campos also supposedly has the secondary pitches now. They expect him to move fast IF we can ever get him here. And yes, I appreciate your very good imagination and your ability to visualize. Have at it, please!

    ___________________________
    Seem so unfair that the former “Fausto Carmona” can be allowed back so soon and DePaula is kept in limbo

  200. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    yf

    Exactly, as per what I posted above. Love that flexible core.

    ——————
    My apologies, missed the above post. Multi tasking.

    This loudmouth stubblejumper was bouncing it down the runway.

    “Roger, check you down at 54, 56 and 59″.

    Owed him one.

  201. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Donnybrook. You have an axe to grind with someone who isn’t me. So, I will leave you to your own devices.

  202. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Seem so unfair that the former “Fausto Carmona” can be allowed back so soon and DePaula is kept in limbo.
    ______
    mlb at its best. ;)

  203. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    The “LoHud Fallacy” thing is laughable. Creating a term with the Blog’s name in it does NOT add any relevance or credibility to the posters or the Blog in general. You guys and the Blog don’t require it. Your doing fine, and the “LoHud fallacy” thing only makes you look insecure.
    ///

    I disagree. I think ‘Lohud Fallacy’ is a useful coinage (JF’s, I believe). Credibility? How about yours, Donnybrook? Who said Hughes sucks and is now stroking him? Who? Seems to me those who have supported him in the past here, continue to do so.

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    That’s why they call Lincecum “The Freak.” The guy’s Gumby.

  205. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    MTU, or not. Timmy just might be a freak of nature.

  206. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    JAP-

    Even Gumby gets less flexible over time.

    ;)

  207. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
    Those to which it applies, know EXACTLY who I aim that post at. And if you feel the need to defend yourself from such, maybe it indeed does apply to you.
    ///

    Maybe? Can you produce a post that verifies your wild, unfounded accusations? Perhaps it’s not a need to defend, but to make you, who just threw this out there for kicks, accountable?

  208. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Finances aside, I don’t think we know which of Hughes, Nova, or Pineda will ultimately be the best reliever starter, so I think it is in the Yankees’ best interests to give each a full opportunity to prove themselves.

  209. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    The only real freak of Nature, or more likely act of God, is his Mo-ness.

    :)

  210. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    JAP-

    Even Gumby gets less flexible over time. ;)
    ////

    link? ;)

  211. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Texas extended Derek Holland

    “The Rangers agreed to terms with the left-hander on a five-year, $28.5MM contract extension. The deal covers the 2012-16 seasons and includes two club options, as MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes first reported.”

  212. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    JAP-

    Go to the Michelin website.

    :)

  213. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I feel when a person is allowed to enter this country, and that person is later found to have used an alias, that person should NEVER be allowed to enter this country again. This type of act is a National Security issue.

  214. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    He’s a tremendous athlete but that’s one unorthodox delivery.

    ———-

    I disagree. The extreme body torque, the long stride, the loose arm, to me all spell peak efficiency. No stress points. All that built up energy releases to home plate.

  215. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Wonder where our buddy Luis is this AM ?

    I could use another Spanish lesson.

    :)

  216. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    The only real freak of Nature, or more likely act of God, is his Mo-ness.
    _____
    The latter, no doubt.

  217. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Very few high level young players will be moved thanks to Bud Lite. Better grow your own pitchers and hitters are suffer the consequences irrespective of your budget. Patience is now king.

  218. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
    JAP-

    Go to the Michelin website.
    ///

    LOL. Howdy’a know he didn’t just give himself up for the sake of science

  219. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Bo-

    We need not debate this since I don’t think your convincing me nor I you.

    What we can say is that is works for him so far.

    Everyone who I know of who has ever watched that delivery has called it “Unorthodox” except for maybe you now.

    I would never teach any young Pitcher to even try to thrown in that fashion even if they could.

    He’s a one of a kind. Like a Juan Marichal.

  220. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I feel when a person is allowed to enter this country, and that person is later found to have used an alias, that person should NEVER be allowed to enter this country again. This type of act is a National Security issue.
    __

    We are talking about a kid. Kids make mistakes. If we don’t recognize that, the terrorists have indeed won.

  221. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    Very few high level young players will be moved thanks to Bud Lite. Better grow your own pitchers and hitters are suffer the consequences irrespective of your budget. Patience is now king.
    ///

    Yes, and timing is everything :roll:

  222. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
    Wonder where our buddy Luis is this AM ?

    I could use another Spanish lesson.
    ///

    I think he said he’s busy in the a.m. generally. Probably stroll in later.

  223. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    - Prufrock -
    I appreciate your “eyeball” opinions regarding a players potential. Stick to that. It is your forte. But 1 day we got posters complaining about the name calling and general animosity here, and Now YOU want Posters called out and the Spanish Inquisition is called to order. They know who they are, and if a poster “has an inclining” I am referring to him\her, the shoe probably does fit.

  224. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I feel when a person is allowed to enter this country, and that person is later found to have used an alias, that person should NEVER be allowed to enter this country again. This type of act is a National Security issue.
    __

    We are talking about a kid. Kids make mistakes. If we don’t recognize that, the terrorists have indeed won.
    —————————

    Yeah that’s a little over the top Donnybrook.

    I (very luckily) couldn’t imagine leaving my whole life behind just for the chance of a better one.

  225. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Nik Turley will also be starting in Trenton.

  226. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    JAP-

    Is that what they do in Venezuela. Stroll ?

    Talking to Luis gives me a chance to rag on Hugo which for me is always extra fun.

    :)

  227. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Donny,

    I’m just calling BS on your claim. You made it, and I’m asking you to support it. If you don’t want to, fine, but that just shows it’s BS. Yankeefem, for example, has never taken pot shots at Phil Hughes. I haven’t, either. I haven’t known MTU to be gratuitous on Hughes, either way; he just wanted him to throw a splitter ;).

    So who are you talking about, then?

  228. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “First Pitch: Pettitte, Pineda, Cone & Velo
    March, 20, 2012
    MAR 20

    By Andrew Marchand

    On the day the new oldest member of the Yankees staff, Andy Pettitte, shows up for work, the youngest member, Michael Pineda, of the Super 7 goes to the mound still looking to answer the question:

    Where’s the fastball?

    We have said it all along that the 90-92 mph readings might not mean anything, even if both Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi have stated, at one time or another, that Pineda is not guaranteed a spot in the rotation. So if he is overwhelmed by New York and he forgot to pack his top fastball, he could be an Empire State Yankee to start the season. It wouldn’t be the worst thing.

    Still, with that said, YES’ David Cone thinks that Pineda can be successful even if his fastball isn’t at 95-plus.

    “He really pitched at about 94 [last year],” Cone said during our conversation on Monday. “It is not that far off from 90-91.”

    Cone said that at 23, after pitching in the majors for the first time, it is not that unusual for a starter’s arm to be overwhelmed by the grind of the season.

    “It is very difficult for young pitchers to sustain themselves over a long major league season,” Cone said.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-cone-velo

  229. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    MTU, no politics allowed ;). But if you want to talk about Victor, that would be OK, I guess.

  230. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
    Nik Turley will also be starting in Trenton.
    _____
    Awesome. He’s another pitcher I’ve always liked. Trenton should have two lefties in the SP then.

  231. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    JAP-

    I have generally supported Hughes.

    I’ve criticisized him where I thought it was appropriate.

    I’m hoping this the year he puts it together.

    I like what I’m seeing so far, and I see the determination in him.

    When the season is finished I hope we will be talking about him being the comeback player of the year.

    He’s only 25. Young in Pitching terms.

  232. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Turley was really coming when he hurt his hand. It’ll be fun to get to watch him. Looks like I will have to spend extra time in Trenton…

  233. MTU March 20th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    JAP-

    It usually just between me and Luis. We are of the same mindset on that one.

    I just want him to take out to Canaima with the Indios.

    Now that would be frickin’ fun. And Paradise too.

    I need to hit lotto.

    :)

  234. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Interesting move though with Turley only having pitched 7 innings in Tampa before he got hurt. GB, who’s your source?

  235. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    MTU,

    I was just trying to make a point. Of course, Hughes, like everyone else, is fair game to honest criticism. He’s a young pitcher who, I daresay is still developing.

    Criticizing him fairly hardly predicts doom, especially when balanced by acknowledgement of what he brings, like a great fastball, when he’s in sync.

    The inference was to be that someone was trashing him and now is singing his praises. I don’t think that’s quite right concerning the company in this thread at the moment. Tired of the strawman stuff. Really tired of it.

  236. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Falacia de Lohud.

    There’s your Leccion de Espanol for today. :wink:

  237. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    MTU,

    I’m not one to care about whether politics or religion are discussed. Controversial subjet matter doesn’t scare me. To quote Jeter, I was just playin’.

  238. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Bronx,
    :D

  239. Ys Guy March 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    strawman argument:

    http://www.calldrmatt.com/strawman_kit.jpg

  240. Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    “He’s only 25. Young in Pitching terms.”

    I think a lot of people who have been critical of Hughes have agreed with this but also point out that the Yankees operations has more to consider than just potential.

    LGY’s points about the payroll are very relevant to Hughes going forward. Its not about ‘writing him off’ as much as it is about timing and fit. If he doesn’t perform this year, is it fair for us to give up on him as a starter? No. But will the Yankees organization be forced to? Perhaps.

  241. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Shame Spencer March 20th, 2012 at 11:39 am
    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I feel when a person is allowed to enter this country, and that person is later found to have used an alias, that person should NEVER be allowed to enter this country again. This type of act is a National Security issue.
    __

    We are talking about a kid. Kids make mistakes. If we don’t recognize that, the terrorists have indeed won.
    —————————

    Yeah that’s a little over the top Donnybrook.

    I (very luckily) couldn’t imagine leaving my whole life behind just for the chance of a better one.
    _____
    Most of these kids are dirt poor, and it gives them a chance to not only live their dream of perhaps playing major league baseball, but to receive bonuses that are sustenance money for their families. So, while you don’t condone identity fraud, you can understand the reason for it. I don’t think they are national security threats though.

  242. GreenBeret7 March 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    YankeeFem, just something from what came out in one of Newman’s interviews over the winter.

  243. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Jeers, :lol: Perfecto!

  244. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    GB, interesting to see where pitchers and catchers are placed. So many possibilities. We are loaded on both counts.

  245. Erin March 20th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    New Post: All eyes on Pineda?s fastball entering fourth spring start

    :arrow:

  246. Bo knows March 20th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I would never teach any young Pitcher to even try to thrown in that fashion even if they could.

    He’s a one of a kind. Like a Juan Marichal.

    —————-
    I come from a background where the worst sin was getting muscle bound and I’ve seen nothing to change my opinion. Pitching or hitting is all about building up kinetic energy and then releasing it. So you want flexibily to develop torque, core strength and stamina. Pumping iron is contra indicated. Granted Lincecum can do things because of his flexibility but all the basics are there.

    Watching Hughes and Joba pitch, I actually wince in sympathy. It’s like they’re wearing fat man suits that impede their delivery.

    Hitting is the same thing. Stable base, Kinetic energy buildup and release.

    I’ll cheat and use my favorite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbAuVzctkhA

    Sorry about that – got a little carried away.

  247. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    GB, speaking of lefties, I also wonder where they will put Camarena. I can’t wait to get a look at him if he is in SI. But he may be placed in Charleston.

  248. DONNYBROOK March 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    - Prufrock -
    I guess you thought I was referring to you, which puts you in the “shoe fits” category. I like your player eval’s, but if you wanna get into BS, maybe you could make the MAX limit of the Evals to the length of a computer screen. And do NOT demand a date and time of the posts where you have done this. Like everything else, those that are around here often, know.

  249. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    LGY’s points about the payroll are very relevant to Hughes going forward. Its not about ‘writing him off’ as much as it is about timing and fit. If he doesn’t perform this year, is it fair for us to give up on him as a starter? No. But will the Yankees organization be forced to? Perhaps.
    ///

    Shame, that’s right, it’s not the same as writing him off, nor the same as trashing him. There are folks here, though, that are extremely high on Hughes and want to see him realize his potential in pinstripes.

    Those subgroups are all light years from those who have “trashed” him, and those who have expressed negative (fearful?) sentiments that he will never fulfill his promise. Even the latter group, if they really exist, are allowed to change their tune based on how well he’s throwing, I would say.

  250. yankeefeminista March 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    :arrow:

  251. J. Alfred Prufrock March 20th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    - Prufrock -
    I guess you thought I was referring to you, which puts you in the “shoe fits” category.
    ///

    So, I can’t genuinely object to an accusation I believe is unfounded? I have to be guilty of the accusation? That doesn’t sound right, Donnybrook, and you know it.

    If there are people here who have trashed Hughes and are now lauding him, they were not in this thread. You made the comment in the same timeline that I, Yankeefem, and MTU opined that Hughes was looking good and poised for a great year.

    Therefore, I think it’s safe to infer that your comments that those talking him up were once down on him, references the posters talking about Hughes at the time you made the accusation.

    Does that not follow?

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