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Hughes calm and collected in another strong outing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s worth remembering that Phil Hughes has been in a rotation competition before. He’s been forced to come back from injuries before, he’s familiar with the burden of high expectations, and he’s answered plenty of uncomfortable questions about disappointing numbers and an uncertain future.

There’s very little about this spring that’s entirely new for a 25-year-old former first-round pick who’s career has already reached its share of highs and lows.

“It’s hard to worry about it when I just come in and do my work and do everything I can and just leave everything else up to the organization,” Hughes said. “Whether it’s signing Andy Pettitte or coming in with six guys for five spots, whatever it is, I’m just trying to show the best stuff that I can and see where it takes me.”

There is a calmness to Hughes this spring, and he seems to be taking that attitude from the clubhouse to the mound. Today he made one mistake with a first-pitch cutter that Matt Joyce hit for a home run. Next time he faced Joyce, Hughes threw a changeup for strike three. After the homer, he retired 12 of the last 14 batters he faced.

If there’s a sense of panic — because of last season, because of the rotation competition, because his career seems to be at something of a crossroads — Hughes hasn’t shown it, on the field or off.

“I feel a lot better,” he said. “It’s easier to sleep at night for sure compared to last year. Hearing the velocity issues and knowing that something’s not right. Right now I just feel like I can go out and pitch and not worry about all that stuff. Get my changeup going. Throw my breaking ball. Just worry about pitching and not necessarily throwing the ball as hard as I can to generate velocity.”

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116 Responses to “Hughes calm and collected in another strong outing”

  1. munson15 March 21st, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Good for Phil. Now stay healthy !!

  2. Cashmoney March 21st, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    The Yanks owe themselves to give Hughes a starter spot. He has to earned it to keep it.

  3. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    This is probably the best spring training that hughes has ever had…possibly the best spring training anybody’s ever had. It would be if he was a Red sox pitcher.

  4. hardwired7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    His CU was a weapon today. There will be some sad swings-and-misses from lefties if he maintains that type of control over it (see Matt Joyce, take two).

  5. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    RIP peace, Mel Parnell. One of the best Red Sox left handed pitchers of any time and a top pitcher of the late 40s and early 50s. He was 89.

  6. kd March 21st, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    gb7,

    if he was a red sox, they’d be making his hall of fame plaque right about now.

    gotta think they’ve got some trades in mind. who and where?

    warren, phelps, and garcia for young, cost-controlled right fielder?

  7. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Unless there’s an issue with attitude with a pitcher, I don’t see a trade happening befor the last of may. Garcia could help any team. I’m guessing that one of the youngsters goes to AAA for a month (whoever is pitching the worst and right now, that’s nova).

  8. tomingeorgia March 21st, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    ID,
    I use “honest question” to mean I’m not arguing, just asking. Imeant no offense.

  9. Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    GB…..I think once Andy Pettite shows that he can still get Big Legue hitters out, The Bombers will be moving Garcia to recoup the Pettite money…..The real question will be come May, who will the # 6 starter/ long man ???/

  10. ron March 21st, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Pineda wen’t from 47.1 innings in 2009 to 139.1 innings in 2010.A very big increase.

    Then 170 something innings in 2011,wich was his yearly highest total.
    So almost a 100 innings increase from 2009 to 2010.

    Going from 139.1 to 170 or so innings is fine.
    It is the almost 100 innings increase in 2010 that is insane.

    No wonder why he might be a little tired.

  11. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    highly unlikely that NYYs will send 3 starting pitchers to any team. there isn’t a right fielder that’s available that’s worth that cost.

  12. tomingeorgia March 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Hughes looked terrific, a couple of Ks on changeups, one gopher ball slider. Lots to hope for this summer.

  13. bardos March 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Today I went the hospital and had A-Rod PRP treatment of both knees. Interesting.

  14. Irreverent Discourse March 21st, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    patrick – Why is it UZR that you don’t like? Why don’t you first question what you thought you saw? Maybe your visual sample of Granderson (or the players that were rated better than him) was incomplete? Even by the most rudimentary of keeping track of every play they “made or didn’t make” Granderson was 18th in OF’s in UZR last year.

    All UZR does is track what happens and return a number. There is no bias. If that number is not to your liking compared to the other players above him then you have a real discussion on your hands.

    If you dislike it because the result is not what you expected, why it is different than what you thought you saw could be good discussion as well :)

    Assuming that somehow the number is “lying” for Granderson but not for everyone else even though all it does is track balls caught in boxes on the field… that’s crazy! The only “lie” is what some people claim the number is useful for.

  15. Irreverent Discourse March 21st, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    err 18th in FP… not UZR… bleh…

  16. Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Ron…..Hughes did the 100 inning jump from 09 to 2010 and it took it’s toll….

  17. blake March 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Yea I just looks like Hughes is comfortable and knows exactly what he wants to do and throw out there…..he’s not worried about the stuff anymore and is just pitching….this is the best I’ve seen him look since early 2010 and when you factor in his secondary pitches it might be the best over ever seen him look.

    The cutter to lefties is a pitch that he’s consistently gotten hurt on since he started throwing it…its something that coukd be a weapon for him but as everyone knows down and in is the happy zone for a lot of Lefty hitters so you have to get it in there far enough and not leave it over the plate…..all in all though he looks really good.

  18. Irreverent Discourse March 21st, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    I just wish Hughes would drive his cutter inside to lefties, not that slow poop one he throws out over the plate…

  19. Betsy March 21st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Hi all!

    I was really impressed that Phil pitched so well last out, coming right on the heels of the news of Andy’s return. His numbers look very good for today; I was going to ask about only 1 strike out, but then I saw that he came back from the Joyce HR to K him on a CU and I figured that was more important than the K’s he wasn’t getting. Phil needs to have confidence to use that in real game situations and not just in ST; if he gets that, then he’s good to go. I’m more interested in his curve, which to me is much more important than the CU. As to his calmness, I wonder if it’s because he probably realized after last year that this is likely his last chance to impress as a Yankee st arter and, when you are looking at a make or break situation, can anything else really phase you? He’s been through enough ups and downs in several careers, nevermind one partial one.

  20. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Ron…..Hughes did the 100 inning jump from 09 to 2010 and it took it’s toll….

    Really more like 60.

  21. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    GB…..I think once Andy Pettite shows that he can still get Big Legue hitters out, The Bombers will be moving Garcia to recoup the Pettite money…..The real question will be come May, who will the # 6 starter/ long man ???/

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    Pat, who would have guessed that the key to this season might be Phil Hughes and Andy Pettitte? I’m looking for a somewhat better season than 2010 from both pitchers. Not sure what they’d do this year with Nova, but, no way would I trade Hughes, Nova or Pineda. Question is, if Pettitte makes a complete comeback, what do the yanks do next season? The chances of hughes making more that $10-$12 mil by the end of 2014 is pretty slim, so, being good and still pretty cheap means you don’t move him to “save money”.

  22. Irreverent Discourse March 21st, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I think given the option of the door or a smaller contract, Hughes will stick around :)

    Of course I’ve always thought that winning was the bigger allure than money. My own ignorance I guess.

  23. ron March 21st, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    Ron…..Hughes did the 100 inning jump from 09 to 2010 and it took it’s toll….

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    It most certainly did.
    Anytime you jump a pitcher more than 40 innings from the previous year,it is negligence.
    Pineda increased 93 innings,then pitched his high of 171.

  24. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    he chances of hughes making more that $10-$12 mil by the end of 2014 is pretty slim

    Depends on how good he is this year and the next. If he is solid for the next 2 seasons he’ll be a free agent starter in his prime. 15 million here he comes.

  25. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    From 2009 to 2010, including ps, Hughes went from 94.2 innings to 192. That’s a hell of a lot closer to 100 than 60. so much for honesty in using stats, huh? Why do you lie so much?

  26. Betsy March 21st, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Also, and I don’t think this can be underestimated, Larry Rothschild has a healthy Hughes he can work with whereas last year he did not.

  27. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    From 2009 to 2010, including ps, Hughes went from 94.2 innings to 192. That’s a hell of a lot closer to 100 than 60. so much for honesty in using stats, huh? Why do you lie so much?

    He also had 19 in the minor leagues.

  28. ron March 21st, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    Ron…..Hughes did the 100 inning jump from 09 to 2010 and it took it’s toll….

    Really more like 60.

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    Really more like 90.

    Also,hughes wen’t back down to 74.2 last year.

  29. Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Face….You better check again on how many innings Hughes tossed in 09 compared to 2010, you can include postseason or not…But it was close to 100 more innings

  30. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    It still ain’t 60.

  31. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    It still ain’t 60.

    Well it ain’t 100.

  32. LGY March 21st, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    You can’t justify sending Nova to AAA based after the season he just had.

    Hughes looked very good today but people have gotten way too caught up in a few ST starts.

    People saying things like best ST ever and Hughes might pitch better than CC this season.

    Some perspective is sorely needed.

  33. ron March 21st, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    He did have 19 innings in the minors in 09

  34. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Matthew Stucko ? @MLB_Prospects

    #MLB transaction report: RHP Aaron Kurcz to #RedSox as player to be named in compensation package for general manager Theo Epstein

  35. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    LGY March 21st, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    You can’t justify sending Nova to AAA based after the season he just had.

    Hughes looked very good today but people have gotten way too caught up in a few ST starts.

    People saying things like best ST ever and Hughes might pitch better than CC this season.

    Some perspective is sorely needed.

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    It was a joke…a rip on the Red sox. Go buy a sense of humor.

  36. LGY March 21st, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    It was a joke…a rip on the Red sox. Go buy a sense of humor.

    ——————

    I think ID said this yesterday but somehow it’s a joke every time you get called out for saying something dumb.

  37. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    hughes pitched 105.1 innings in 2009,including his 19.1 innings in the minors,176.1 in 2010,not including the ps.
    That is an increase of 71 innings.Now add the innings he pitched in the ps of 2010.
    He pitched 15.2 innings in the 2010 ps,for a total of 86.2 innings.

  38. Best To Ever Do It March 21st, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    LGY March 21st, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    You can’t justify sending Nova to AAA based after the season he just had.

    Hughes looked very good today but people have gotten way too caught up in a few ST starts.

    People saying things like best ST ever and Hughes might pitch better than CC this season.

    Some perspective is sorely needed.

    ————————

    When it comes to Hughes ppl want him to do so well they go overboard sometimes.

  39. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    You forgot to subtract his 6 PS innings in 2009. Now we’re at 80.2! It appears we’re at an impasse.

  40. austinmac March 21st, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Garcia, while dependable, would not bring much in a trade nor would the AAA, non-B, group. Cashman certainly sees and saw before Pettitte a pitching surplus. The surplus guys would only bring lower level prospects, in my opinion.

  41. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    86.2 innings increase from 2009 to 2010,i meant.

  42. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
    You forgot to subtract his 6 PS innings in 2009. Now we’re at 80.2! It appears we’re at an impasse.

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    Damn you.

  43. Rich in NJ March 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    If he continues to pitch well, the talk of trading Hughes should stop (unless they are offered like Justin Upton, which isn’t happening, so…)

  44. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Still too many innings increase for a pitcher,wich is the important point.

  45. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    If hughes keeps looking good,especially with his changeup,he’s not going to the minors.
    They will trade kuroda,nova,or send nova or pineda to AAA before that happens.

    Cashman is not going to risk a possible breakout year by hughes,when pineda,nova have options,and kuroda is gone after this year,especially after the risky montero trade,joba in the pen,ian kennedy doing so well.

    Ain’t happenin.

  46. Nilsson March 21st, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    You only get so many young pitchers through the minors who possess high ceilings. Hughes still has the chance to reach it. Yes, I want him to do really well.

  47. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Also the .2 innings,or 2 outs still makes it closer to 100 than 60.

    I win,I win.

  48. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    LGY March 21st, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    It was a joke…a rip on the Red sox. Go buy a sense of humor.

    ——————

    I think ID said this yesterday but somehow it’s a joke every time you get called out for saying something dumb.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If you were less concerned about playing “gotcha” and more about reading it, you would understand it. It’s the same thing that Boston writers said last year that Miller’s ST bullpen session was the best they’d ever seen. That was from Gammons.

  49. Against All Odds March 21st, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Kuroda has a full no trade

  50. Bronx Jeers March 21st, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    I’d assume they’re going to wait as long as possible to trade Freddy. He can block trades for a couple of months but you’d think he’d be happy to join his new time and start contributing.

    The painful part of Andy’s return is which of Nova, Pineda, Hughes is losing his spot.

    As always, it’s SNAFU nurturing young starters in Yankeeland. Then again October baseball is awesome so….

  51. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Also the .2 innings,or 2 outs still makes it closer to 100 than 60.

    I win,I win.

    This fails to take into account dry humps as a reliever, thus swinging the total back towards 60. Check mate.

  52. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Kuroda has a full no trade

    And has shown he is fully committed to the team he signs and intends to honor his contract even if they are not competing. Don’t see Kuroda going anywhere.

  53. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Good evening everyone,

    I missed Sir Phranchise outing again. From what i read, he had a very strong outing and a very effective CU. His cutter hurt him again, he should scrap it or use it very little. I wonder how his curveball looked, any thoughts about it?.

    About the jump in innings, yes it was big regardless if it was 60 or 100 or somewhere in the middle. I think the commonsense rise in innings is 40, anything above it means a little trouble later on as 2011 clearly shows.

    He is having a great ST….I hope he keeps it up.

  54. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    New York Post ? @NYPost_Yankees

    Pettitte to throw Yankees batting practice Friday http://tinyurl.com/7jczfob #Yankees

    Looks like Kramer sneed is dressing for the Friday game in pinstripes. another pitcher from Charleston. Hope he gets into the game and they bring Montgomery back. all he got was a bus trip and a day’s worth of meal money.

  55. ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    Also the .2 innings,or 2 outs still makes it closer to 100 than 60.

    I win,I win.

    This fails to take into account dry humps as a reliever, thus swinging the total back towards 60. Check mate.

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    Fine.It’s kwel.

    I just can’t see hughes getting yanked,if he is doing well.

    I think nova get’s traded or sen’t to AAA before that happens.
    If nova slips,even a little,with our plethora of pitching,that would be the logical move.

  56. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Ron,

    Hughes has options left too….So if and when Pettite is ready, one of Nova, Hughes or Pineda is going down, which one i don’t know.

  57. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    I think nova get’s traded or sen’t to AAA before that happens.

    =====================================

    Don’t bet on that…..Nova has more years of team control, if he is pitching well is unlikely that they send him down. Remember they are thinking of going below 189 mil by 2014

  58. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Hughes has options left too….So if and when Pettite is ready, one of Nova, Hughes or Pineda is going down, which one i don’t know.

    Hughes will be able to deny optioning due to 5 years of service time in about a month. So he is an option to send down out of spring, but not likely when Pettitte is ready.

  59. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    There is also the difference in the number of pitches that Hughes threw between 2009-2010. Game over.

  60. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    JF,

    I didn’t know that, good point….So that leaves Pineda and Nova as potential options…Which one of the two do you see the Yankees sending down?

  61. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    There is also the difference in the number of pitches that Hughes threw between 2009-2010. Game over.

    He actually threw less pitches per PA in 2010 compared with 2009. And ended up throwing roughly half as many pitches in 2009 as in 2010, despite throwing slightly more than half as many innings (not counting postseason or minor leagues).

    So whatever game you’re playing, its probably designed for children.

  62. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    I didn’t know that, good point….So that leaves Pineda and Nova as potential options…Which one of the two do you see the Yankees sending down?

    Nova. Unfair though it may be, he still has options. Though if they use one of his options it’ll be his last one I think. They used one last year and in 2010 to give him his debut.

  63. Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    lUIS…..Breaking ball looked real good and I agree with Betsy, if he gets that back it’ll be a huge step for him….His change will help in putting away lefthand hitters…….Face, Hughes innings have spiked up and down ever since he hit The Bronx for reasons we all know…….Once he starts putting back to back 180-200 inning campaigns that’s when his promise will be fulfilled……Then he will be once again, Young Master Hughes…Well we can delete the Young portion I suppose…..In the next 2 weeks I’ll be asking for opinions on teams over / unders for my pool…….5 teams would help, although I have to invest on every club with a $ 30.00 minimum as I have to speard out 2 grand over 30 teams

  64. Stoneburner March 21st, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @sportsJC16 Don’t ignore Campos, some scouts put him over Banuelos as the best pitching prospect in the Yankees organization.

  65. tomingeorgia March 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Angels on the head of a pin. Can’t we wait and see?

  66. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Stoneburner March 21st, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    @sportsJC16 Don’t ignore Campos, some scouts put him over Banuelos as the best pitching prospect in the Yankees organization.

    =====================================

    Yeah, and some scouts think that Banuelos is better than Pineda….What i mean is that we will only know when they reach the Mayors.

  67. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    The legend of Jose Campos grows, though no shortseason pitcher is going to be a better pitching prospect than a lefty that throws mid 90s with 2 good breaking pitches that is in AAA *right now*

  68. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Thanks Pat M, i do agree with the both of you. The CB is key for him. That’s why i asked, because nobody mentioned how good it was. Thanks again.

  69. Betsy March 21st, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Pat M, but he has to stay healthy – he’s had some fluky injuries and at this point, he just can’t afford anymore setbacks. He doesn’t have to have a great change, just a workable one that he is willing to use. On the other hand, he does need a good to very good curve……but I’m biased because that’s my favorite pitch.

  70. Stoneburner March 21st, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    The legend of Jose Campos grows, though no shortseason pitcher is going to be a better pitching prospect than a lefty that throws mid 90s with 2 good breaking pitches that is in AAA *right now*

    *********

    The bias towards players coming from the Seattle in the Montero trade grows.

  71. LGY March 21st, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Anonymous scouts say a lot of dumb things.

  72. Irreverent Discourse March 21st, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Wasn’t that Cesar Cabral throwing 6 k’s in 6 outs today… not Campos?

  73. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    The bias towards players coming from the Seattle in the Montero trade grows.

    Given your past rantings, I’d have to think you’d be crucifying certain posters here for hyping Arodys Vizcaino, who is about the same kind of pitching prospect as Jose Campos. Though Arodys was arguably more polished at the time.

    Simply put, a pitching prospect in shortseason has a long way to go. Though if he gets hyped enough that the Yankees can trade him for something cool, be my guest!

  74. Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Wasn’t that Cesar Cabral throwing 6 k’s in 6 outs today… not Campos?

    I don’t think anyone is referencing that.

  75. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Stoneburner March 21st, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    That comment is unfair…..You just can’t compare a prospect in triple A with mid 90′s fastball and two plus breaking pitches to a kid in A ball that has very good command of the FB, but still needs to develop his secondary ones. Please stop bringing the trade every time you have a chance, again is unfair and out of context.

  76. Irreverent Discourse March 21st, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    jf – i see the tweet above, nm :p

  77. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Hughes talks about his game today

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com.....r-granted/

  78. MG March 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    the most interesting thing about Hughes today was that he backed up a change to Joyce (1st pitch strike) with another one that just missed on the second pitch.

    that is a sign of a pitcher who is mature and knows how to pitch. He also got Zobrist on a 1st pitch change for a weak ground ball to the infield.

    couple the maturity with his generally good command and fastball and you have a guy ready to blossom as a front line starter (barring injuries, of course).

  79. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Thanks GB7, very good read….He threw 15 CU’s of 73 pitches, encouraging indeed.

  80. luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Question to the forum:

    Barring injuries….What’s Phil Hughes ceiling in your opinion?

  81. MG March 21st, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    after watching Doc Halladay up close yesterday just dominate the ‘A’ lineup of the O’s with a fastball that never topped 91 you see how important command and pitch selection is to a big league starter.

    Phil already knows how to locate his fastball consistently, if he can continue to put the change where he wants and get strikes with his breaking ball he will be a big winner for the Yankees once again.

  82. Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Luis…….He’ll win 200 games in his career

  83. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    MG,

    Agreed….What kind of big winner do you envision….Number 1 or 2 or a solid mid rotation guy?

  84. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Luis…….He’ll win 200 games in his career

    =============================================

    Wow!. those are lofty expectations!, taking in to account that very few pitchers from now on will even sniff 250 wins.

  85. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    luis March 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    Thanks GB7, very good read….He threw 15 CU’s of 73 pitches, encouraging indeed.

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    Any time. It seemed like Hughes had a pretty good amount of each pitch and most were working for him. Nice that he was able to keep Scott, Longoria and Zobrist in check all day. Just the one bad pitch, even rebounded from that to get Joyce fishing and the wind blowing out.

  86. ron March 21st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    MG March 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    the most interesting thing about Hughes today was that he backed up a change to Joyce (1st pitch strike) with another one that just missed on the second pitch.

    that is a sign of a pitcher who is mature and knows how to pitch. He also got Zobrist on a 1st pitch change for a weak ground ball to the infield.

    couple the maturity with his generally good command and fastball and you have a guy ready to blossom as a front line starter (barring injuries, of course).

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    This is why if he has a few more good outings,closing out st,there is no way he get’s yanked.
    Hughes is about to break out.

    Nova will probably survive til pettitte comes back,but it looks like they are itching to get pettitte back,not very long after the season starts.

    I see nova being sent down.

  87. Against All Odds March 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    200 games?

  88. MG March 21st, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    MG,

    Agreed….What kind of big winner do you envision….Number 1 or 2 or a solid mid rotation guy?
    —————
    luis, I never put numbers on starters, it all depends on who else is in the rotation. He won 18 games two years ago without a change and spiking his innings, if he stays healthy he could, as Pat M says, win 200 games in his career just like Andy (who has probably never been considered a ’1′ or a ’2′)

  89. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    A perennial 30 game winner with 300 strikeouts per season over another 20 years.

  90. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Odds,

    Is doable, he is 36-23 right now…If he averages 15 wins in the next 11 seasons, he is in that neighborhood.

  91. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    “the most interesting thing about Hughes today was that he backed up a change to Joyce (1st pitch strike) with another one that just missed on the second pitch”

    Yup…loved that.

    Yea I hear a lot of good things about Campos and that’s great…..but I honestly think Banuelos has a chance to be the best pitching prospect in baseball a year from now if he takes that next step command wise….his ceiling is constantly underrated IMO….

  92. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    A perennial 30 game winner with 300 strikeouts per season over another 20 years.

    ============================

    And i am the prospect hugger?? :)

  93. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    You can coubt on less than two hands the lefties in the big leagues that have Mannys caliber of stuff and plus command……if the command comes he could be a legit #1

  94. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    MG,

    Very good point….Yes, he could be a mid rotation SP and still win 200 games…it’s incredible that Andy was never considered a top of the rotation starter.

  95. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Yes, but Hughes is a young veteran.

    Was disappointed that Montgomery didn’t get into the game today, though he was in the pen. Kramer Sneed gets a crack at the medium time (regular season is big time) on Friday.

  96. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Yankeesource @YankeeSource 47m Felix Hernandez gave up 7 ER on 10H in 5 innings today to the White Sox. If that was Pineda’s line, NY would be in a state of emergency.

  97. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    You can coubt on less than two hands the lefties in the big leagues that have Mannys caliber of stuff and plus command……if the command comes he could be a legit #1

    ===========================

    This and the other post…spot on

  98. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Count on two hands or 10 fingers? Big difference.

  99. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Yup, so you are a young veteran hugger ;)

  100. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Id say some teams are already calling about both Hughes and Nova…….don’t see how you could trade either of them without an awesome return but something tells me Cashman is just dying to be on the other end of one these discussions where HE is the one demanding top prospects for a starting pitcher.

  101. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    “Count on two hands or 10 fingers? Big difference.”

    My two hands have 10 fingers.

  102. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Kershaw, Lester,Lee,CC,Santana (maybe)…..I think that’s it, unless you think Gio Gonzales might be able to join that club.

  103. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Price, Lester, Hamels, Lee, CC, Kershaw, Moore…..that’s about it..

  104. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    •Slugging Yankee prospect Jorge Vazquez is growing impatient with the minor leagues and would like to try Japan or Korea if there’s not a place for him in the major leagues, according to the president of the Mexican League’s Tigres de Quintana Roo, where Vazquez played in 2007 and 2008. “If they don’t give him an opportunity this year, he wants them to trade him, or to go to [play] baseball in the east,” Cuauhtémoc “Chito” Rodríguez told Fernando Ballesteros at Puro Béisbol. “He doesn’t want to continue on in Triple A anymore, not just with the Yankees, but with any other organization as well.” Vazquez made a case for being MLB-ready in 2011, putting up a .262/.314/.516 line with 32 homers at Triple A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

  105. blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I think Gio Gonzalez is Banuelos without the command he coukd develop …..he’s still good because he’s left handed and throws hard and has a nasty hook

  106. Patrick March 21st, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    ID,

    I don’t like UZR for a few reasons. Number 1, as I said earlier it’s really not accurate over 1 year samples. It is most useful if you look at a 3 year period and is a player really the same for 3 seasons in a row?

    Second, I look at other defensive metrics that differ greatly with UZR and are more accurate over one year samples. +/- seems to be the most accurate to me. As I mentioned in my earlier post Granderson had a poor year in 2011 in the field. However, in 2010 UZR had him ranked highly when he really wasn’t much better than average and 2009 had him ranked poorly when he actually had a good year defensively.

    UZR is just not all that accurate in my opinion, has nothing to do with what it says about the players I like.

    Don’t be so cynical, there are people that use their brain instead of just quoting statistics. Another example would be, I don’t really like pitcher WAR, it doesn’t accurately display how good a pitcher was, it shows how good a pitcher SHOULD have been. Considering that pitcher fWAR said CC Sabathia was the best pitcher in the AL last year shouldn’t I thus be a fan of the stat? No…

  107. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    •Rumors that the Cubs have a $27MM agreement in place with Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler “are completely bogus,” GM Jed Hoyer told reporters (including Dave van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune). Soler is still waiting to be officially declared a free agent by Major League Baseball.

  108. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    blake March 21st, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    “Count on two hands or 10 fingers? Big difference.”

    My two hands have 10 fingers.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Not everyone has 10 fingers and not everyone has two hands.

  109. Ys Guy March 21st, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    so did denver hide the $5M payment required for a team to aquire tebow or did the jets have the contract and not understand that they would have to pay it?

    the former would be pretty fraudulent on denver’s part, the latter would be sheer stupidity on the jet’s part.

    im guessing i know which one it was…

  110. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Blake,

    Yup, i forgot about Price,Hammels….I wouldn’t put Moore on that level just yet, but he certainly has the potential.

  111. Ys Guy March 21st, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    of course hoyer’s gonna say it’s bogus because it would be illegal if they had negotiated with soler before he gets his fa…stay tuned on that one!

  112. Against All Odds March 21st, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Odds,

    Is doable, he is 36-23 right now…If he averages 15 wins in the next 11 seasons, he is in that neighborhood

    ——————-

    I think that would be a tall order for Hughes. Guys like CC and Doc still have a little to go before they win 200 games and they’re already in their 30s. It’s asking a lot.

  113. luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Against All Odds March 21st, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    luis March 21st, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Odds,

    Is doable, he is 36-23 right now…If he averages 15 wins in the next 11 seasons, he is in that neighborhood

    ——————-

    I think that would be a tall order for Hughes. Guys like CC and Doc still have a little to go before they win 200 games and they’re already in their 30s. It’s asking a lot.

    =======================================

    Yes, it is a tall order but not impossible….That’s why i told Pat M that it was a lofty expectation, but it doable.

  114. GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Erik Boland ? @eboland11

    Heard snag in Tebow trade came when Jets hierarchy finally got around to watching film of Tebow playing QB. But seriously, folks…

  115. Against All Odds March 21st, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    I guess we’ ll have to wait and see. Time is on our hands. :)

  116. Bret The Hitman March 21st, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Rich in NJ March 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    If he continues to pitch well, the talk of trading Hughes should stop (unless they are offered like Justin Upton, which isn’t happening, so…)

    ron March 21st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    I just can’t see hughes getting yanked,if he is doing well.
    I think nova get’s traded or sen’t to AAA before that happens.?If nova slips,even a little,with our plethora of pitching,that would be the logical move.

    Jerkface March 21st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    I didn’t know that, good point….So that leaves Pineda and Nova as potential options…Which one of the two do you see the Yankees sending down?

    Nova.

    MG March 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    couple the maturity with his generally good command and fastball and you have a guy ready to blossom as a front line starter (barring injuries, of course).

    MG March 21st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    after watching Doc Halladay up close yesterday just dominate the ‘A’ lineup of the O’s with a fastball that never topped 91 you see how important command and pitch selection is to a big league starter.
    Phil already knows how to locate his fastball consistently

    Pat M. March 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Luis…….He’ll win 200 games in his career

    ron March 21st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    I see nova being sent down.

    *********************************************

    I see Hughes as the odd man out because he has 2 years on his contract. Why would they tinker with Nova?

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