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Pregame notes: Pettitte hopes to get in a game this spring

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 22, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andy Pettitte said he feels some normal soreness in his lower half today, but nothing out of the ordinary. He went through fielding drills yesterday, and he feels the need to keep doing that regularly to get himself into playing shape. He’s been throwing bullpens for several weeks, but yesterday was the first time he did anything like field ground balls or cover first base.

“I asked how he was doing today,” Joe Girardi said. “But that’s a normal conversation I would have with anybody.”

Both Pettitte and Girardi said it’s vital that the Yankees stick to their schedule with Pettitte. Even if his body is feeling better than expected, the Yankees have to keep themselves from pushing him too much. Pettitte said he feels the need to be honest with himself and the team. If he needs an extra day, he’ll take it.

Pettitte and Girardi each believe it’s realistic that Pettitte might get into a game before the Yankees break camp.

• David Phelps was scratched from today’s start because his wife is having a baby. Girardi said that’s an acceptable excuse. “I think it’s legit,” he said. “I think that one will fly.” Phelps is listed as making tomorrow’s road trip to Clearwater, but that might not actually happen.

• Derek Jeter remains on schedule to play at home on Friday, but he still has to get through a full set of drills today.

• Nick Swisher told Girardi that he feels “pretty decent” this afternoon. Girardi said he’ll check with the training staff before deciding whether Swisher can play this weekend or should wait until next week.

• Freddy Garcia threw a side today. Girardi said he expects Garcia to throw 50-65 pitches in Saturday’s start against the Tigers. Garcia will have missed just one start after being hit by that comebacker.

• Eduardo Nunez got today off strictly because he’s played a lot of games in a row and will definitely play tomorrow. The Yankees didn’t want him playing four days straight, so today he gets to rest. His hand is fine.

• Dante Bichette Jr. will be up from the minor league complex to play in tomorrow’s game in Clearwater. Mason Williams will return from the minor league complex to play in the game in Tampa.

• Today’s sides: Garcia and Brad Meyers. Kevin Whelan is throwing a sim game today.

• Joba Chamberlain, Michael Pineda and Phil Hughes are throwing bullpens tomorrow. Dave Robertson and Manny Delcarmen are pitching a sim game and Pettitte has his batting practice session.

• Big group of players up from minor league camp today. Most are listed below but C Mitch Abeita, INF Jose Toussen and OF Austin Krum are also up as reserves.

• Today’s available pitchers: Adam Warren, Cory Wade, Dellin Betances, Juan Cedeno, D.J. Mitchell, George Kontos, Mike OConnor, Philip Wetherell, Pat Venditte, Craig Heyer, Aaron Dott, Zach Varce

• Today’s second string: C Gustavo Molina, 1B Addison Maruszak, 2B Kevin Russo, SS Carmen Angelini, 3B Jorge Vazquez, LF Colin Curtis, CF Justin Maxwell, RF Cole Garner

• Tomorrow’s travelers for split-squad in Clearwater:

Pitchers: Hiroki Kuroda, Mike OConnor
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Jose Gil
Infielders: Doug Bernier, Robinson Cano, Eric Chavez
Outfielders: Colin Curtis, Chris Dickerson, Brett Gardner, Cole Garner, Dewayne Wise

• Up from minor league camp for tomorrow’s game in Clearwater;

Pitchers: George Kontos, David Phelps, Ryan Pope, Ryan Flannery, Vidal Nuno, Mariel Ceco
Catcher: Jeff Farnham
Infielders: Brandon Laird, Addison Maruszak, Jose Pirela, Dante Bichette, Kelvin Castro
Outfielder: Abe Almonte

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437 Responses to “Pregame notes: Pettitte hopes to get in a game this spring”

  1. jacksquat March 22nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    pat March 22nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    BryanHoch

    Yankees changed their starting pitcher for tonight from David Phelps to Adam Warren. Phelps’ wife is giving birth.

    Well that solves that mystery.

  2. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    I am accepting the new reality. I just don´t and won´t like what that new reality means. If for you acceptance is liking it or not voicing your opinion, that´s your choice. Let me have mine.
    __________

    Fair enough Luis.

    But just outta curiosity – what would “not accepting” it entail exactly?

  3. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    All I can say is if they plan to put Toussen and Angelini in the game, they’d better put up a safety net behind the first base dugout.

  4. Ys Guy March 22nd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    the fact that the yankees are worth x more than the next biggest team doesn’t necesarily mean anything about the health of the game or how increased competition will affect the yankees.

    my opinion is that if the smaller market and smaller revenue teams have a better shot at winning and if more markets have a real shot at winning in the post season, the entire pot gets bigger. tv viewership goes up, therefore tv revenues go up, etc.

    the yankees will still have much more resources than the other teams and while they will be restricted on where they can spend that money, there will always be some ways to use that to your advantage.

    so i still maintain that the new cba is good for baseball and therefore good for the yankees

  5. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    They’re really giving the kids some exposure. Hope the Baby Bombers all get into a game this week.

  6. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    • Dante Bichette Jr. will be up from the minor league complex to play in tomorrow’s game in Clearwater. Mason Williams will return from the minor league complex to play in the game in Tampa.

    Nice.

    Congrats to Phelps….yea id say that’s a decent reason…..I want to see Warren pitch too anyway.

  7. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Stuckey,

    We’ve had this discussion 100 times now but if the new CBA causes the Yankees to be smarter and more efficient then yea I think it coukd be beneficial also…..but I still don’t like that the new CBA will probably force the Yanks to change the way they operate and inevitably decrease their financial advantage over everyone else…..I like capitalism …..

  8. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    So they are showcasing Bichette too? ;)

  9. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    It’s safe to assume that not all of David Phelps time was spent rehabbing last summer.

  10. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “The Boss worked hard to get that advantage.”

    ______________________

    I think the Boss:

    1.) Successfully maintained enough talent AROUND the foundation that was built in his absence (and would not have existed in his presence) enough to keep the Yankees coming to the postseason year after year, which actually started to manifest itself in record attendance AFTER the Dynasty years.

    2.) Had the presence of mind to build a regional sports network in the world’s largest media market leveraging the (see above) foundation that he was largely not responsible for.

    Earlier JF argued the Yankees’ truth worth is likely hidden behind creative accounting surrounding YES.

    Well, the success of that operation is certainly tied to the success of their main product, the Yankees. But there is local, relevant context (the KNicks) that with a regional sports network of your own in THIS region, on the court/field success isn’t a NECESSARY requirement.

    They’ve blown ALL other NBA teams out of the water in revenue the last decade despite being unarguably the NBA’s worst franchise during the same decade.

    By FAR YES’ most valuable attribute is its zip code.

    Doesn’t mean other things are not significant factors. Doesn’t mean Steinbrenner doesn’t not deserve credit for whatever role he has in conceiving it.

    But much of the “work” was having the right mailing address.

  11. tomingeorgia March 22nd, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Gio Gonzales getting creamed by the Cardinals. 6 earned in 4 innings, so far.

  12. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    David Phelps was scratched from today?s start because his wife is having a baby.

    *****************

    Yeah, I’d say the man has a legitimate excuse. ;)

  13. randy l. March 22nd, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Clete Boyer, ardent example of the Tampa Faction, was out of the Yankees by 95, 3 years before Cashman became GM. And before all the Tampa faction non-sense was around.

    Truly a trendsetter that guy.”

    jerkface-

    you are really an ignorant yankee fan sometimes.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1.....hotostream

  14. luis March 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    But just outta curiosity – what would “not accepting” it entail exactly?

    It would be denying the existance of the new CBA, thus operating in the same fashion as they did before. There is a new reality, and you have to operate accordingly.

  15. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    When Baseball America released their 2012 Prospect Handbook, they said the Yankees had the sixth best farm system in baseball. Things have changed since they went to press in December, most notably the Jesus Montero trade. The Yankees now rank 13th in their updated organization rankings, which were published today. The list is free, but you need a subscription to read the individual write-ups.

    “New York has a number of intriguing position prospects in C Gary Sanchez, OFs Mason Williams and Ravel Santana and 3B Dante Bichette Jr., though none has played above low Class A,” said BA. “The same is true of RHP Jose Campos, another part of the Montero/(Michael) Pineda deal.” They note that the team still has catching depth even without Montero, but that it’s unlikely they’ll get a significant contribution from a rookie player this season. I’m sure we’ll see David Phelps, Adam Warren, and/or D.J. Mitchell at some point, but right now the plan is to not need those guys for anything substantial.

    Keith Law had the Yankees tenth while Kevin Goldstein had them 15th. So we’ve got one at ten, one at 15, and one right in the middle. I guess that means the consensus is the 10-15 range, which sounds about right to me. Hopefully some of those Low-A kids really take a step forward in their develop and have a big season in 2012, pushing the Yankees back into the top ten.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ngs-65710/

  16. Doc Iac March 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    David Phelps was scratched from today?s start because his wife is having a baby.

    *****************

    Yeah, I’d say the man has a legitimate excuse. ;)

    —-

    Erin I disagree, i mean…his work was done months ago :)

  17. LGY March 22nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    The Cowboys are not worth more than the Yankees according to the 2012 Forbes estimation.

    The Yankees saw a 9% increase and are now tied with the Cowboys for the second most valuable franchise in the world behind Manchester United.

  18. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    blake,

    And I like smart capitalism.

    Recall fall 2008.

    “Capitalism” isn’t inherently a virtue. Capitalism is a tool that can be abused like any other.

    I don’t think the Yankees have been as efficient with their spending and player development as they could have been. They had NO incentive to be smarter about it.

  19. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Doc Iac- :lol:

  20. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    LGY,

    Thanks for the correction, didn’t realize it was now a dead heat between the Boys and the Yanks.

  21. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Play the game and brag if your more than a yankee fan bench warmer. You’re on your honor, even if a few have none.

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/fan_.....d=20120321

  22. luis March 22nd, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    It’s safe to assume that not all of David Phelps time was spent rehabbing last summer.

    ——————–

    :)

  23. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    cgrand14 2 hour bus ride from Tampa to FT Myers to play the red sox tonight and see the new spring training green monster

  24. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    There is nothing to see here, move on.

  25. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    “It would be denying the existance of the new CBA, thus operating in the same fashion as they did before.”

    _____________________________

    Ah okay.

    Did you really feel at any time during the last 2 months feel I thought you didn’t know about the new CBA or were intellectually blocking out acknowledging it existed?

    If so, I’ve been unclear and I’m sorry.

    I never intended to imply you didn’t have a grasp on reality. I meant to imply maybe it was wise to stop complaining about something you can’t hope to change after a certain period of time passing that helps you comes to term with that fact.

    Again, apologies for my lack of clarity.

  26. The Genius Maker March 22nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Y’s guy, you made the sarcastic comment “sure the yanks will bench Swisher for a guy with a .201 major league batting average…

    I assume that was toward my post that the Yanks should give Maxwell a shot?

    I think your comment is pretty weak for a variety of reasons. One you rolled your eyes and just looked at his major league stats from prior to last year and are ignoring the .945 OPS he put up in AAA last year as well as his continued hot start in ST this year. The other important factors to consider are that I NEVER said the Yanks should bench Swisher, I said if Maxwell’s defense is as good as some people have said he is clearly a better defensive option that Swisher and Swisher could DH when Maxwell plays. This is a good option and not one that deserves your sarcasm.

    I also did point out that I have not seen his swing and I would imagine that there is a reason why he career OPS in a little over 200 PA’s at the major league level is under .700. But he might have made an adjustment last year that appears to be sticking this year. Finally using batting average to prove an offensive argument is pretty silly as it usually doesn’t tell you very much.

  27. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    blake,

    And I like smart capitalism.

    Recall fall 2008.

    “Capitalism” isn’t inherently a virtue. Capitalism is a tool that can be abused like any other.

    I don’t think the Yankees have been as efficient with their spending and player development as they could have been. They had NO incentive to be smarter about it.
    ——————–

    Hard to argue against the Yankees efficiency with their spending when they are essentially printing money.

    Could the Yankees have made fewer mistakes (Igawa)? Sure. But none of those moves stood in the way of turning a profit.

    It just strikes me as disingenuous for the league to penalize teams like the Yankees and Red Sox and then have an entire concept (interleague play) based on the fact that every owner in the game wants to have the Yankees and Red Sox help them sell out their stadiums.

    The misconception is that the owners want competitive balance for the sake of competition – that’s not true. Owners want competitive balance because non-competitive teams down draw fans or get lucrative TV and Radio deals and if you don’t draw fans or get lucrative deals you don’t make money. Their hope is not that these payroll restrictions will somehow improve their teams; they just want to try and force the Yankees and teams like them to regress to the mean. Thus a cheap owner like Glass in KC can have a team that is more competitive without having to crack open his wallet any more than absolutely needed.

  28. jacksquat March 22nd, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    I don’t have a problem with the “soft cap” (practically almost a hard cap), so long as the cap is high enough that only the Yankees can comfortably reach it, with 2 or 3 other teams having to stretch to do so. The Yankees should always have a financial advantage over other teams, for the simple reason that they bring more fans to the game than any other team, thus bringing more revenue to the game than any other team.

  29. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    cgrand14 On 3/26/12 Tino Martinez & I will guest bartend. Donations split b/w Tino’s charity & mine – the grandkids foundation http://pic.twitter.com/kn2KlNf3

  30. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    By the way – I am sure that somewhere there is a Yankee fan who is fuming over David Phelps missing a spring start to attend the birth of his kid.

  31. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    jacksquat –

    I wouldn’t mind a soft cap if there was a floor that came with it.

    If you’re going to penalize teams for spending too much then you should also go after teams that refuse to spend at all.

    Set it at a reasonable number – $40M for the 40 man roster seems right – if you go under that baseline you face the same penalties as teams that are above the $189 level including the fore-fitting of draft picks.

  32. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank March 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Free Venditte

  33. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Oh, hell!!! It’s coming up again.

    Ken Rosenthal ? @Ken_Rosenthal

    Four cities that will host qualifying pools for 2013 WBC: Regensburg, Germany; Panama City, Panama; Taipei, Taiwan; Jupiter, Fla. #MLB

  34. LGY March 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    From a strictly luxury tax standpoint, up to a 240M payroll the future 50% tax over 189M is more beneficial to the Yankees than the current 40% tax over 176M.

  35. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Now that Nick Hundley is signed to a long term deal in San Diego – Yasmani Grandal has nowhere to play for the foreseeable future – Yankees could go after him.

  36. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “They had NO incentive to be smarter about it.”

    That’s a fair point.

  37. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Chip,

    I don’t regard owners wanting to make money as a bad thing.

    If for one second you believe the Yankees are not motivated by the same thing, you’re mistaken.

    But its interesting that you cite a misconception when you seem to be advancing a whopper of one yourself in the same paragraph.

    “they just want to try and force the Yankees and teams like them to regress to the mean.”

    $189m will NOT be the mean or anywhere close to the mean anytime soon.

  38. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    Oh, hell!!! It?s coming up again.

    Ken Rosenthal ? @Ken_Rosenthal

    Four cities that will host qualifying pools for 2013 WBC: Regensburg, Germany; Panama City, Panama; Taipei, Taiwan; Jupiter, Fla. #MLB

    ********************

    Ugh. :x

  39. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Chip,

    I don’t regard owners wanting to make money as a bad thing.

    If for one second you believe the Yankees are not motivated by the same thing, you’re mistaken.

    But its interesting that you cite a misconception when you seem to be advancing a whopper of one yourself in the same paragraph.

    “they just want to try and force the Yankees and teams like them to regress to the mean.”

    $189m will NOT be the mean or anywhere close to the mean anytime soon.
    ——————————

    I don’t begrudge anyone wanting to make money. And of course the Yankee owners want to make money too – they just go about it a different way – they spend to ensure that fans will continue to flock to the stadium regardless of ticket prices – someone like Glass wants to pocket every dime he can squeeze out of revenue sharing and the few fans he gets. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

    As to the second point, I wasn’t referring to the salary mean – I was referring to the mean in terms of performance. The salary cap won’t impact the talent level of teams at the lower end of payroll – they still won’t pay to keep their players when they get expensive. But they are hoping that it will prevent a few teams from grabbing them up – thus reducing the talent level of those teams.

  40. tomingeorgia March 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    The only reason I mentioned Gio Gonzalez was to point out the wisdom of avoiding BAD trades.

  41. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    “From a strictly luxury tax standpoint, up to a 240M payroll the future 50% tax over 189M is more beneficial to the Yankees than the current 40% tax over 176M.”

    Yes, but the revenue sharing abatement is the real kicker.

  42. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “I wouldn’t mind a soft cap if there was a floor that came with it.”

    Chip, a spending floor would only mean that teams would be forced to spend MORE money on the same players.

    Are they’re a few team that use it to their advantage? Absolutely. But all raising the floor would do is give big raises to players who otherwise wouldn’t deserve it.

  43. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Ok, shifting away from deep fiscal philosophies:

    Campos and Warren for Grandal. Yankees wind up with a good hitting catcher who can, you know, catch…and still have a very deep, very young rotation.

  44. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “I wouldn’t mind a soft cap if there was a floor that came with it.”

    Chip, a spending floor would only mean that teams would be forced to spend MORE money on the same players.

    Are they’re a few team that use it to their advantage? Absolutely. But all raising the floor would do is give big raises to players who otherwise wouldn’t deserve it.
    ——————-

    That’s the choice of owners – but if teams are going to collect money from the top revenue generating teams (as in you’re going to penalize those teams that do well) then there should be something in place to force those teams to spend that money on the field as opposed to on corporate jets or holiday parties as was done by the late Carl Pohlad and David Glass.

  45. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    Oh, hell!!! It?s coming up again.

    Ken Rosenthal ? @Ken_Rosenthal

    Four cities that will host qualifying pools for 2013 WBC: Regensburg, Germany; Panama City, Panama; Taipei, Taiwan; Jupiter, Fla. #MLB

    ********************

    Ugh.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If the USA wants to participate in this farce, have it in the late fall and play the best of the minor league players and not allow the MLB contract player play. If they get hurt, it wrecks the team that owns the contract. The WS would be over, the minor leaguers have enough time to both rest and get prepared to play. MLB is the only organization involved that gets hurt by it because it disrupts ST preparation.

  46. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    And $40M is not a lot to have to spend on a 40 man roster – not when the ML minimum salary is nearly $500,000.

  47. pat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    StevePoliti
    Forget Timsanity. This city is going to be a Carr-nival! RT @MikeGarafolo: Giants announce the official re-signing of QB David Carr. #nyg

    :cool:

  48. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Now that Nick Hundley is signed to a long term deal in San Diego – Yasmani Grandal has nowhere to play for the foreseeable future – Yankees could go after him.

    _________________________________

    I was surprised by SD locking up Hundley long term. It didn’t seem to make a lot of sense, to me anyway. And yes, it might make Grandal available now, as he is blocked long term.

  49. jacksquat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I thought there was some kind of minimum in the new CBA?

  50. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    “Trader” Chip Lane is loose on the world again. Making trades for soming a team doesn’t need just so he can make a trade.

  51. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    NYPost_Kernan Only One Jeter: As #Yankees finish BP Derek Jeter shakes the hand (good job) of the grounds crew guy.

  52. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    trades for ***something*** a team

  53. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    GB-I like your plan for the WBC.

  54. pat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    BryanHoch Just heard someone say loudly, “Get Yogi out here to throw.” Apparently the BP strike zone is jumping around on Mick Kelleher.

    NYPost_Kernan
    #Yankees batting cage has Lou Pinella, Alex Rodriguez, Reggie Jackson and Tino Martinez all leaning up against it. Lot of hits

  55. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    “Trader” Chip Lane is loose on the world again. Making trades for soming a team doesn’t need just so he can make a trade.
    ————————

    Ok, I thought Grandal might make a nice alternative to re-signing Russ Martin. You disagree – that’s you’re right. Tell me again how great Rene Rivera is going to be?

  56. pat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I wonder if Pinella being around now makes Alex feel younger?

  57. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    jacksquat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I thought there was some kind of minimum in the new CBA?
    ——————

    Nothing official – it’s more like a suggested number akin to the whole draft slotting thing.

  58. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    pat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I wonder if Pinella being around now makes Alex feel younger?
    ———————-

    Am I the only one who found it odd listening to Lou and O’Neill joke around in the broadcast booth? It’s kind of like seeing Obama and George Bush sharing a pizza.

  59. CountryClub March 22nd, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Great news:

    Ben Nicholson-Smith ? @mlbtrben
    NYY RHP Rafael DePaula has received his visa, agent Charisse Espinosa-Dash told MLBTR. 21-yr-old prospect now closer to beginning pro career

  60. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    GB-I like your plan for the WBC.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    the WBC is the bane of the western world…a scourge on the people of earth. and I don’t like it. It’s pretty much set up to discourage the US teams from letting their best players participate anyway. Changing the time period would help. Either not allow any MLB players in it or any player that played in the post season. If the player gets hurt bad enough to lose valuable ML time, either give the team to void his contract or put him on the suspended list without pay until he’s added back to the 25 man roster. This goes for any MLB player, foreign or domestic.

  61. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Ben Nicholson-Smith ? @mlbtrben NYY RHP Rafael DePaula has received his visa, agent Charisse Espinosa-Dash told MLBTR. 21-yr-old prospect now closer to beginning pro career

    Nice! Pitching depth just got even better.

  62. jr1212 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Big prospect news

    Rafael Depaula is one the verge of obtaining his visa; Yanks deal still in place per MLBtraderumors

  63. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    The yankees will not turn over the full-time catching job to a rookie. why would NY trade 2 of their top ten system pitchers for a player who’s position they’re loaded with?

  64. jr1212 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Blake and Country Club stole my thunder….lol

  65. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    Ben Nicholson-Smith ? @mlbtrben NYY RHP Rafael DePaula has received his visa, agent Charisse Espinosa-Dash told MLBTR. 21-yr-old prospect now closer to beginning pro career

    Nice! Pitching depth just got even better.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If he’s really Rafael DePaula and 21 years old.

    After letting Carmona back into the states, they didn’t have a leg to stand on by keeping DePaula out.

  66. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Okay, there is an interesting sociological question:

    Whomever has strong feelings about what’s a fair and equitable system for MLB, who believes their position was arrived upon largely independently of their fan affiliation?

    In other words, who think they might have a different conclusion right now if they happened to grow up a Oakland As or Kansas City Royals fan?

  67. pat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Larry_Koestler
    Can’t wait for DePaula to be greeted the moment he arrives stateside by Marchand with a radar gun in one hand and scale in the other

    :lol:

  68. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    The yankees will not turn over the full-time catching job to a rookie. why would NY trade 2 of their top ten system pitchers for a player who’s position they’re loaded with?
    ————————

    Okie dokie – don’t get your depends in a twist.

    Though if I was to bother with a counter argument I would say that the Yankees would still be loaded in the prospect pitcher area even if they did make this trade and that Grandal is a better hitter than Romine and a better fielder than Montero and so the Yankees might be comfortable working him in with a vet that they could get on a shorter contract rather than giving Martin a 3 year deal.

  69. CountryClub March 22nd, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Regarding Depaula:

    Kevin Goldstein ? @Kevin_Goldstein

    Pro body, power stuff, big ceiling, unrefined

  70. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Country club had it first….Im not like Buster :)

  71. Erin March 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    pat- :lol:

  72. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    “Can’t wait for DePaula to be greeted the moment he arrives stateside by Marchand with a radar gun in one hand and scale in the other”

    That’s funny.

  73. BryanV21 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    “If the player gets hurt bad enough to lose valuable ML time, either give the team to void his contract or put him on the suspended list without pay until he’s added back to the 25 man roster. This goes for any MLB player, foreign or domestic.”

    I understand why you dislike the Classic, but why would any MLB player want to play in the WBC if this were the case? Sure, teams would allow players to play, but the players themselves would probably not risk big contracts on it.

  74. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “In other words, who think they might have a different conclusion right now if they happened to grow up a Oakland As or Kansas City Royals fan?”

    So what?

  75. CountryClub March 22nd, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    Country club had it first….Im not like Buster

    ————-

    ha, that just means I’m paying too much attn to Twitter today

  76. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    The yankees will not turn over the full-time catching job to a rookie. why would NY trade 2 of their top ten system pitchers for a player who’s position they’re loaded with?
    ————————

    Okie dokie – don’t get your depends in a twist.

    Though if I was to bother with a counter argument I would say that the Yankees would still be loaded in the prospect pitcher area even if they did make this trade and that Grandal is a better hitter than Romine and a better fielder than Montero and so the Yankees might be comfortable working him in with a vet that they could get on a shorter contract rather than giving Martin a 3 year deal.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Bs. you make these idiotic trade suggestions with no regard to what you’re getting back, what you’re giving up or to what a team needs. You have to be related to “Trader” Frank Lane…..the worse judge of talent and worst GM in baseball history.

  77. CompassRosy March 22nd, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
    :::::::

    4. I love my WCS Rosy but I think that hearing constant Montero updates is almost painful. Others may think differently. It would be like going on the Ms forum and giving them constant updates on Pineda. For those who hated the loss of Pineda, that’s almost like a knife through the soul, especially if Pineda continues to do well! JMO. If others are greatful for the updates, then so be it. I think in time it will sting less. For now I’d like to put it in the rear-view mirror.

    ::::::

    Sis ~

    I love you too and of course it has not been my intention to cause pain.
    I have posted the occasional “stat” update (although typically someone here beats me to it) but, I’ve tried to pass along other, more intangible stuff, like local interviews Jesus does about how he’s adjusting to his new team and the opinions of his manager/coaches on where they see him in the future (which, clearly, has been a bit of a controversy here – even prior to the trade). That’s the kind of stuff I’m interested in when a player I really like has left my team and gone to another. As you mentioned, the stat stuff is easy to find…

    As for someone coming to my blog an posting about Pineda…
    frankly, I’d welcome the traffic ;-) but, they likely wouldn’t be telling me anything I didn’t already know since I’ve been following the news on him (here and elsewhere) and tend to have AtBat going on my iPhone for his every start.

    Speaking of my blog…
    if everything goes as planned, by Opening Day when you click on my name, you’ll be directed to my new site (been working on importing, rearranging, etc for the past month or so).

    Anyhoo, my M’s are in the air now, bound for Japan. Shannon Drayer will be hosting a live chat from the flight (unfortunately, I’ll be in a meeting and won’t be able to partake).

    SIX DAYS UNTIL OPENING DAY!!!

    now… I’m off to that meeting :(

  78. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “So what?”

    Really :-)?

  79. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Okay, there is an interesting sociological question:

    Whomever has strong feelings about what’s a fair and equitable system for MLB, who believes their position was arrived upon largely independently of their fan affiliation?

    In other words, who think they might have a different conclusion right now if they happened to grow up a Oakland As or Kansas City Royals fan?
    ——————–

    My problem wouldn’t be with the Yankees – it would be with my owner.

    Find me an owner who can’t afford to spend money on his ball club and I’ll find you an owner who shouldn’t own a team.

    Again – penalizing teams like the Yankees and Red Sox doesn’t change the fact that the A’s have a bad ball club – it doesn’t make the A’s any better. It doesn’t force Lew Wolffe to open up his wallet to allow Beane to bring in a player who can galvanize the fan base – all it does is provide an obstacle to other teams. The goal of a fan is to see your team improve; this doesn’t ensure improvement by the lower echelon clubs – just hampers the upper echelon ones enough to bring them closer to the pack.

    To put it another way – breaking Brett Gardner’s leg won’t make me any faster, but it will make a race between the two of us more competitive.

  80. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    With the Yankees playing in Fort Myers Thursday night, CC Sabathia stayed behind in Tampa to pitch a day game against Double-A Yankees players at the team’s Minor League complex across the street from George M. Steinbrenner Field. The Big Lefty allowed a run on five hits in six innings with one walk and four strikeouts.

    Sabathia remains in turn and lined up to pitch the Yankees’ 2012 season opener against the Rays on April 6

    From YES.com

  81. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    The yankees will not turn over the full-time catching job to a rookie. why would NY trade 2 of their top ten system pitchers for a player who’s position they’re loaded with?
    ————————

    Okie dokie – don’t get your depends in a twist.

    Though if I was to bother with a counter argument I would say that the Yankees would still be loaded in the prospect pitcher area even if they did make this trade and that Grandal is a better hitter than Romine and a better fielder than Montero and so the Yankees might be comfortable working him in with a vet that they could get on a shorter contract rather than giving Martin a 3 year deal.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Bs. you make these idiotic trade suggestions with no regard to what you’re getting back, what you’re giving up or to what a team needs. You have to be related to “Trader” Frank Lane…..the worse judge of talent and worst GM in baseball history.
    ——————

    Well actually I did think about what the Yankees would be getting back – a top catching prospect who can hit and play the field, which seems to be something they could use.

    And I thought about what the Yankees would be giving up: Warren – a good prospect but one who is likely blocked by the talent around him; and Campos a very talented young pitcher who is at least 3 years away from making a solid contribution.

    So in short…bite me.

  82. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    stuckey-

    What I meant is, where you stand often depends on where you sit. Baseball (and sports for that matter) isn’t a morality play.

  83. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    I want Chip to focus on a right fielder who could take Swisher’s job next year.

  84. LGY March 22nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Chip

    You need to be careful including Campos in your trade suggestions.

    GB is still in the honeymoon stage with him.

  85. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Just for you, Jerkface:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/ar.....-kill-carl

    And may I ask, why if I should not begrudge owners for wanting to make money I should begrudge fans for not being thrilled about it..?

    stuckey, I know you like those sociological questions but you get them wrong every time. I’ve studied the subject for several years and the number one rule is one you constantly break: Never assume motivation.

  86. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    I want Chip to focus on a right fielder who could take Swisher’s job next year.
    ———————–

    I’ve already picked my guy – Josh Reddick of Oakland. Second choice is Gerardo Parra of Arizona.

  87. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    yeah those 19 passed balls and 13 errors impress the Hell out of me.

  88. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Are there A’s fans that want them to continue to spend less money?

    Find them and bring them to me!! *mwahahahahahahaha* (I seriously muttered this at my desk like a Shakespeare-ian villain)

  89. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    LGY March 22nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Chip

    You need to be careful including Campos in your trade suggestions.

    GB is still in the honeymoon stage with him.
    —————–

    I still smile when I remember how he fumed that the Yankees didn’t give Rene Rivera a fair chance.

  90. luis March 22nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Stuckey,

    Sorry i didn´t answered before, had to do some things at work. The problem with the CBA is that is going to be lurking behind most of the FO decisions going forward.But it has good effects too, as you well point them out.

    It never crossed my mind that you thought that i was in a denial state. I understand your point, but it is very hard to ignore, when everything the team does from here on out is going to be affected by the CBA. Hence the complaining.

  91. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Who will you trade for Parra or Reddick? Bichette, Betances and Banuelos?

  92. luis March 22nd, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Later guys, got to go

  93. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    tebow just arrived in his own jet…

  94. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    yeah those 19 passed balls and 13 errors impress the Hell out of me.
    —————–

    The majority of the passed balls occurred in A ball where they aren’t that uncommon given the wildness inherent with pitchers at that level. Gary Sanchez allowed 26 this year himself.

  95. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Who will you trade for Parra or Reddick? Bichette, Betances and Banuelos?
    ——————-

    I was thinking of offering Cano, Pineda and Robertson.

  96. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    (I seriously muttered this at my desk like a Shakespeare-ian villain)
    ===========================================
    Do you get paid for this?

  97. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    I still smile when I remember how he fumed that the Yankees didn’t give Rene Rivera a fair chance.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    nobody was fuming. He was a better choice to back up than Chad Moeller.

  98. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    I still smile when I remember how he fumed that the Yankees didn’t give Rene Rivera a fair chance.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    nobody was fuming. He was a better choice to back up than Chad Moeller.
    —————-

    Except you were arguing he was a better choice than Russ Martin at the time. Isn’t it time for you to have your nap?

  99. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    yeah those 19 passed balls and 13 errors impress the Hell out of me.
    —————–

    The majority of the passed balls occurred in A ball where they aren’t that uncommon given the wildness inherent with pitchers at that level. Gary Sanchez allowed 26 this year himself.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How do you know he’s good or the reason for the passed balls. you’ve never seen him play.

  100. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Martin wasn’t even with the team in 2010. try again.

  101. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    yeah those 19 passed balls and 13 errors impress the Hell out of me.
    —————–

    The majority of the passed balls occurred in A ball where they aren’t that uncommon given the wildness inherent with pitchers at that level. Gary Sanchez allowed 26 this year himself.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How do you know he’s good or the reason for the passed balls. you’ve never seen him play.
    ——————–

    Passed balls went away as he moved up from A to AA to AAA last year.

  102. m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    mick says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    tebow just arrived in his own jet…

    —-
    His cape was getting dry-cleaned?

  103. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    The only problem with the CBA for me is that right now Jesus Montero is on a plane headed to Japan instead of on a bus headed to Fort Meyers.

  104. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Also lots of professionals who have watched him say he’s good – so I’ll go with that.

  105. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Welcome to America’s favorite pastime , it’s LoHudSanity!
    Does the arguing ever stop?

  106. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    I have never seen Campos or DePaula, so I’ve never said a word about them one way or the other.

  107. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Martin wasn’t even with the team in 2010. try again.
    ————-

    I am aware.

    Your argument was made last winter when the Yankees signed Martin that they should not have signed Martin, that they should have just re-signed (and promoted) Rene Rivera and let him platoon with Cervelli because of Rivera’s amazing hitting at AA the year prior.

    Now good day to you.

  108. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Welcome to America’s favorite pastime , it’s LoHudSanity!
    Does the arguing ever stop?
    —————–

    does it need to?

  109. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    you are really an ignorant yankee fan sometimes.

    Randy,

    what does that quote have to do with Clete Boyer being a member of the Tampa faction? He was only around until 94. How could he have been part of the super alliance tampa faction that helped make the Yankees so strong? Correct me if I am wrong, but that quote says EVERYONE wanted to make him an outfielder, implying Boyer is the lone voice of wisdom. This means Stick and whomever else was involved with the yankees at the time. Not Cashman, and not any kind of ‘tampa vs cashman’ dynamic that existed later.

    Like I say, shallow shallow stuff that is designed for people not to look into it.

  110. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    does it need to?
    ===========
    not for those who need to.

  111. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    mick says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    tebow just arrived in his own jet…

    —-
    His cape was getting dry-cleaned?
    ——————–

    I hear that there was some thought that he would fly into JFK and just walk across the Hudson to get to NJ.

  112. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    I hear that there was some thought that he would fly into JFK and just walk across the Hudson to get to NJ.
    ===============
    There are fans who truly believe that.

  113. m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Chip-

    :lol:

  114. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    What seems to have gone way was the number of innings he played as he moved up. he may be good. I have no idea. It’s not like the scouts haven’t been known to screw up. The fact is, NY has so many catchers in the system, they have to move them to other positions to get them playing time.

  115. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Why not make the Jets the official circus in town, they are already a joke, might as well take it to the next level. (and I am a Jets fan)

  116. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    After all this Tebow stuff happened I called my dad and thanked him for raising me and my brother Giants fans.

  117. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    I have no control over what they do, why should I care or aggravate myself over it?

  118. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Why not make the Jets the official circus in town, they are already a joke, might as well take it to the next level. (and I am a Jets fan)
    —————–

    That’s an insult to circuses.

  119. m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    The fans might not have liked Sanchez, but I doubt they think Tebow is a savior (no pun intended).

  120. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I have tried the conversion to being a Giant fan but it is next to impossible.

  121. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Martin wasn’t even with the team in 2010. try again.
    ————-

    I am aware.

    Your argument was made last winter when the Yankees signed Martin that they should not have signed Martin, that they should have just re-signed (and promoted) Rene Rivera and let him platoon with Cervelli because of Rivera’s amazing hitting at AA the year prior.

    Now good day to you.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    wrong again. Rivera was gone for more than a month before Martin was ever signed.

  122. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    The fans might not have liked Sanchez, but I doubt they think Tebow is a savior (no pun intended).
    ——————————–

    You obviously have not been listening to NY Sports talk radio today.

  123. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Tebow is a savior (no pun intended).
    =========
    yes it was ;)

  124. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Grandal got up to AAA last year. Throws out a high number of runners, PBs were cut by 66% going from Low to AA, hits well. He could be up by the ASB learning the ropes. Not a bad suggestion.

  125. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    That’s an insult to circuses.
    ================
    Maybe because they are run by clowns.

  126. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    That’s an insult to circuses.
    ================
    Maybe because they are run by clowns.
    —————

    It takes a lot of dedication to train elephants and tigers.

  127. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    The question Tebow raises is:
    What is more important in sports, winning or entertainment?

  128. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    It takes a lot of dedication to train elephants and tigers.
    ================================
    which is why it should be done by professionals, not clowns.

  129. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    girardi w/ fransayso

  130. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    The question Tebow raises is:
    What is more important in sports, winning or entertainment?
    —————-

    I think about it like a team getting a new stadium. Even a bad team gets a bump in ticket sales for a new stadium but if you don’t win those fans go home.

    If Tebow is a bad player who doesn’t play fans will stop paying top dollar to watch him hold a clipboard.

  131. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    For those with a fondness for baseball history, Baseball-Reference has now included stats and players from the Negro Leagues, 1903-1948.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/nlb/

  132. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Girardi on what he said to the other pitchers in camp, “if you don’t want Andy to take your job, pay attention to what you’re doing, not what he’s doing.”

  133. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Did you guys hear Valentines take on a bad inning by Melancon?

    Guys such a tool. I’m so happy he’s on the Sox.

  134. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    If the guy is so good, why would SD trade him and why would they sign Hundley to a long extension? He’s not exactly Randy Hundley behind the plate or Todd Hundley with a bat.

  135. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    If the guy is so good, why would SD trade him and why would they sign Hundley to a long extension? He’s not exactly Randy Hundley behind the plate or Todd Hundley with a bat.
    ———————

    1. Because even the best prospect is still a prospect and if moving one helps your team improve then that’s what you do.

    2. Because they think Hundley is a good young player himself.

    Better question – if Grandal isn’t good then why did the Padres want him as part of the Latos deal?

  136. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “stuckey, I know you like those sociological questions but you get them wrong every time. I’ve studied the subject for several years and the number one rule is one you constantly break: Never assume motivation.”

    I don’t understand. I asked a question. How did I assume motivation?

  137. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    “If the guy is so good, why would SD trade him”

    If were talking about Grandal they didn’t……they traded for him.

  138. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Grandal is a top 50 prospect, he would instantly become the best catcher in the system not named Gary Sanchez. He is also a college player, so near ready, and simply put better than Austin Romine.

  139. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Girardi on what he said to the other pitchers in camp, “if you don’t want Andy to take your job, pay attention to what you’re doing, not what he’s doing.
    ====================================
    thats what they are saying to sanchez

  140. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    I like Grandal but I agree with Wave that Chip needs to focus on a young outfielder…

  141. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Did you guys hear Valentines take on a bad inning by Melancon?

    Guys such a tool. I’m so happy he’s on the Sox.
    ————–

    The original rex ryan

  142. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    blake, great minds think alike… :)

  143. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    I like Grandal but I agree with Wave that Chip needs to focus on a young outfielder…
    ————–

    Told you – Reddick or Parra.

  144. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    SD needs offense…not pitching. It makes zero sense except to Chip and Jerk, whose only purpose for being involved at all is to argue.

  145. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Though I’ll be honest – I’m kind of leaning towards Zolio Almonte!!!!

  146. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    SD needs offense…not pitching. It makes zero sense except to Chip and Jerk, whose only purpose for being involved at all is to argue.

    Thats why they traded Anthony Rizzo for pitching, because he was blocked? Grandal is now blocked.

  147. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Told you – Reddick or Parra”

    Meh…..

  148. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    The problem with you GB7 is that you’re the one that is simply looking to argue, which is why you come up with all these shoddy retorts, and then eventually storm off in a huff because you got nothing.

  149. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    SD needs offense…not pitching. It makes zero sense except to Chip and Jerk, whose only purpose for being involved at all is to argue.
    ———————–

    Yes but they can use the additional pitching to acquire more offense at positions where they don’t have a player signed to five year contracts.

  150. LGY March 22nd, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Girardi seems very fond of Garcia.

  151. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “Girardi seems very fond of Garcia.”

    I agree….I think if it were up to him he’d be in the rotation maybe….

  152. m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Chip,

    I haven’t. Just judging by what I’ve seen here and elsewhere.

    People really calling up the stations and saying this is awesome? That Tebow will lead them to the promised land (haha)? That he’ll be a better QB than Sanchez?!!

  153. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Told you – Reddick or Parra”

    Meh…..
    ——————

    Don’t undersell these guys – both have sweet LH strokes that would do well in the stadium and both are good defensive players.

  154. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Chip, I don’t see those guys replacing Swisher’s production anytime soon. Think harder.

  155. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Chip,

    I haven’t. Just judging by what I’ve seen here and elsewhere.

    People really calling up the stations and saying this is awesome? That Tebow will lead them to the promised land (haha)? That he’ll be a better QB than Sanchez?!!
    —————

    Yup.

    But then again the people who call into radio talk shows are only slightly more unhinged then the people who spend all day on sports blogs….oh wait.

  156. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    There is a dearth of good outfielders close to the majors right now. Hard to get one that can help them with the swisher problem. Lots of guys with ETAs around 2014-2015.

  157. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    but it is very hard to ignore, when everything the team does from here on out is going to be affected by the CBA. Hence the complaining.

    ______________________

    Luis, we’re still not communicating. I’m not suggesting ignoring it. I’m not suggesting pretending it doesn’t have relevant ramifications. I’m suggesting coming to terms with it.

    This is the inherent flaw in this discourse. It appears to be there are some posters who don’t even relate at any level to the concept of coming to terms with something and that complaining becomes redundant after a certain amount of time.

    Like I say, I understand the NBA salary cap is $58m dollars. That figure is always going to be relevant to the Knicks. But to go to a Knicks forum daily to complain that the NBA salary is $58m is utterly baffling to me.

    Rain is wet, summer is humid, you have to shovel in winter. There is an income Tax in the U.S. I’m not George Clooney or ever hope to be.

    Doesn’t occur to me to complain about any of these things anymore.

  158. LGY March 22nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Girardi impressed with Hughes’ change and curve.

    Trying to sell the power pitchers take some time to warm up on the Pineda velo front.

    Two concerns. Health of the club and making a tough decision on the rotation at the end of Spring.

  159. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    How about pitchers for Will Myers?

  160. Ys Guy March 22nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    so it was widely rumored on here that bard had been banished to the bullpen this is from Pete on the ebb blog(posted within the hour):
    “In alphabetical order, Alfredo Aceves, Daniel Bard and Felix Doubront are the remaining candidates for the final two spots in the Red Sox’ rotation. That is, of course, barring a trade.”

  161. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    I think Oswalt might wind up going to the Sox still…..

  162. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    “Rain is wet, summer is humid, you have to shovel in winter. There is an income Tax in the U.S. I’m not George Clooney or ever hope to be.

    Doesn’t occur to me to complain about any of these things anymore.”

    But stuckey, you are arguing that the new CBA ushers in a better world, not that it is a fact of life so deal with it. That’s my position, but it isn’t yours.

  163. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Wil Myers is a converted RFer (from catcher) that can hit for the Royals, famous as a rival to Montero but Montero wins!(he is still catching). He is up around AA. Brett Jackson is a really good OF prospect for the cubs, but the cubs don’t have a lot so getting him would be difficult.

    If Bubba Starling, Alex Gordon, and Lorenzo cain are the OF of the future for the Royals, then Myers might be acquirable.

  164. m March 22nd, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Y’s Guy,

    Thanks. Jerkface heard some chatter yesterday. As a Yankee fan, I would want Bard and Doubeont in there. But if Aceves is in the rotation and his back gives out, they’re screwed.

    Win-win-win for Yankees fans.

  165. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Again – penalizing teams like the Yankees and Red Sox doesn’t change the fact that the A’s have a bad ball club – it doesn’t make the A’s any better. It doesn’t force Lew Wolffe to open up his wallet to allow Beane to bring in a player who can galvanize the fan base – all it does is provide an obstacle to other teams. The goal of a fan is to see your team improve; this doesn’t ensure improvement by the lower echelon clubs – just hampers the upper echelon ones enough to bring them closer to the pack.

    _____________________________________

    Chip, I understand that argument, but that’s just focusing on one end of the equation.

    Most teams in MLB cannot have a $200m payroll. The revenue and/or the value to leverage to fund it doesn’t exist.

    Are there teams who choose to pocket money when they could reinvest in their clubs? Absolutely there are.

    But I’d argue there are as many of not many more clubs that can’t spend what the Yankees and red Sox do if they wanted to.

    So what’s the median solution?

  166. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    How about pitchers for Will Myers?

    Great minds, etc, the only problem with this is that the royals have tons of arms in the minors :( Maybe though!

  167. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    JF,

    I doubt the Royals will sign Gordon if he has another good year…wouldn’t seem.cost effective for them to me…..but we’ll see…..but what that do with him might decide what they so with Myers……

  168. randy l. March 22nd, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    “Like I say, shallow shallow stuff that is designed for people not to look into it.”

    only shallow to someone who has little ability to see things as organic wholes.

    in other words, you don’t see the forest for the trees .

    how was school today?

  169. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Chip, I don’t see those guys replacing Swisher’s production anytime soon. Think harder.
    ———————–

    How about Mike Morse? Obviously developing power (31 HR last year in a pitchers’ division) and with both Harper and Rendon coming up (possibly this season) he won’t have a position at either 1b or the OF.

    He’ll be 30 but then again Jose Bautista was 30 when he turned into this monster.

  170. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    But stuckey, you are arguing that the new CBA ushers in a better world, not that it is a fact of life so deal with it
    _____________________

    I’m arguing both at different times with different posters.

    They’re aren’t mutually exclusive.

    I REALLY don’t like the Arod extension. I may be wrong, there are certain valid, good arguments to counter mine, but it’s my opinion. I think it was a BIG mistake.

    The novelty or appeal of complaining about ran out roughly 24 hours after the deal was announced. But I’m a accommodating guy. Isn’t 7 years (the time the Yankees payroll has remained static and 60 days enough time with a fact of life?

    Or am I being unreasonable?

  171. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    how was school today?

    It was great, I did this whole thing where I cut through Randy L’s BS about the Tampa faction in like 1 post. He tried really hard to connect something to a Cashman failure, but in the end it was just more BS.

  172. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I’ll also throw two Mariners into the mix – Mike Carp and Michael Saunders.

  173. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    “How about Mike Morse?”

    He’s not bad but (1) I think the Nationals are trying to win so I doubt he’s available and (2) he doesn’t really help with the 2014 soft cap does he?

  174. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    MLB ? @MLB

    “It’s been a great ride … I think it’s about time to do something else.” – Chipper Jones … http://atmlb.com/GPpGCW

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    A career in marriage counseling or maybe teaching birth control to teenagers is in his future.

  175. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Let’s see if Fransayso is as cokky with GM Tannenbaum of the Jets as he has been with his callers

  176. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    The Nats would want Gardner for Morse I bet

  177. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Stuckey -

    I don’t mind putting a soft cap in place but I think it needs to coincide with a floor as well. If you’re going to limit what teams can spend and force them to give money to “struggling” franchises then those franchises should be mandated to spend that money on the field – that way you push both sides closer to each other instead of just undercutting your top teams (the ones who btw generate the most revenue around the league)

  178. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Chipper first ballot guy? Best OPS EVER for a 3B

  179. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Morse won’t be playing any time soon.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com.....day-doubt/

  180. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    The Nats would want Gardner for Morse I bet
    ———————–

    Seems reasonable – put Gardner between Werth and Harper and at the top of their batting order.

    Yankees could go with Morse, Granderson, Almonte

  181. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Morse won’t be playing any time soon.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com…..day-doubt/
    —————-

    Doesn’t really impact the plan of getting him for 2013 – unless it’s a recurring issue that would hamper him throwing from the OF.

  182. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    Chipper first ballot guy? Best OPS EVER for a 3B

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    His ex- wife has a different take of his being a HOF husband.

  183. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Chipper first ballot guy? Best OPS EVER for a 3B
    ————

    No doubt about it.

  184. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    “I REALLY don’t like the Arod extension. I may be wrong, there are certain valid, good arguments to counter mine, but it’s my opinion. I think it was a BIG mistake.”

    I’m confused. What does the ARod contract have to do with the soft cap? I guess you think the Yanks need to be forced not to make overly-extravagant decisions? But that doesn’t bode well for them succeeding under a soft cap through smart management, does it?

    And just remember, no ARod, maybe no 2009 championship…

  185. Chip March 22nd, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    Chipper first ballot guy? Best OPS EVER for a 3B

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    His ex- wife has a different take of his being a HOF husband.
    ——————

    and that matters why?

    Oh right – all the men in the HOF are solid citizens…..

  186. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    His ex- wife has a different take of his being a HOF husband.
    =============
    Does yours?

  187. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    as the blog comes to a screeching halt….

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  190. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I don’t think Id trade Gardner for Morse…..wonder if they’d trade Rendon now that they signed Zimmerman or if they are planning on moving Zimmerman to 1B or something later.

  191. mick March 22nd, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    5 pm, all the bloggers are headed home from work…if their bosses only knew.

  192. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    “His ex- wife has a different take of his being a HOF husband”

    Haven’t he and his wife been fine for a long time now?

  193. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    It made a lot of difference to the people around the Atlaanta area when he denied having an affair for 18 months that produced a son and married a Hooters girl….who he’s in the middle of a divorce with for the same reason. It was the lying and denying the existance of the son that upset the bible belt people after talking about how religious he was.

  194. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I don’t think Id trade Gardner for Morse…..wonder if they’d trade Rendon now that they signed Zimmerman or if they are planning on moving Zimmerman to 1B or something later.

    ___________________________

    I think that the Gnats long term plan is probably Zimmerman at 1B, Rendon at 3B, with Morse, Werth, and Harper in the OF. The thing is that none of the three OF are really a CF.

  195. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    It made a lot of difference to the people around the Atlaanta area

    Somehow I think this won’t affect his HoF case.

  196. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    If it weren’t for throwing conniption fits, we wouldn’t get any exercise at all. (just read this)

  197. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    “His ex- wife has a different take of his being a HOF husband”

    Haven’t he and his wife been fine for a long time now?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    not with the ex or the soon to be ex. Want to buy a bottle of Chipper Chardonnay?

  198. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    “The thing is that none of the three OF are really a CF.”

    Yea I think they’d like to get Gardy….but I don’t think Id trade him for Morse.

  199. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    It made a lot of difference to the people around the Atlaanta area

    Somehow I think this won’t affect his HoF case.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Somehow, I never said it did.

  200. BD (Boston Dave) March 22nd, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    blake,

    just checking out your link from BA.

    BA loses credibility, IMO, when they just ranked Boston as the 9th best farm system (Yanks #13.)

    I don’t see that at all. Not even close.

  201. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    BD,

    Yea me neither…..if the Sox get points fir their lower levels then so should the Yanks and Boston doesn’t have a prospect anywhere near as good as Banuelos in the upper levels.

  202. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Yea I think they’d like to get Gardy….but I don’t think Id trade him for Morse.

    __________________________________

    I don’t think I would either.

    Word this spring out of Wash. ST is that both Werth and Harper are “capable” of playing CF. They also stated that one of the reasons they sent Harper down to AAA was to get more time in CF. I am not sold that either are ever going to be a good choice there. We will see.

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    The battle for yankee loogy continues to be a heated battle.

    http://www.myyesnetwork.com/ye.....JtaXR0ZWQh

  204. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Somehow, I never said it did.

    You heavily implied it, by continuing to attack chipper personally in response to posts about his HoF eligibility.

  205. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Chip,

    I have no philosophical problems with a floor.

    Just think pragmatically would do more harm than good overall.

    But I appreciate the argument.

  206. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    blake,

    For what it’s worth, on MLB or ESPN the other day in a profile of the Royals I heard talks of an extension for Gordon were either taking place or soon would be.

  207. stuckey March 22nd, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    I”’m confused. What does the ARod contract have to do with the soft cap?”

    It doesn’t.

    Different side of the argument.

    Was using that to illustrate something I stop complaining about a LONG time ago.

  208. blake March 22nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Stuckey,

    Yea I think they are talking but last I read he wanted too much….

    “The team and left fielder Alex Gordon have mutual interest in an extension,but they’ve been unable to find common ground. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says Gordon will “almost certainly will want more than $55 million,” the current club record. From the Royals’ point of view,I’d be looking to do more of an improved Corey Hart-type deal: $9MM for his final arbitration year (2013) and $22MM for a pair of free agent years (2014-15). For Gordon to set a team record,the Royals will have to buy out at least four free agent years. That kind of commitment is a gamble until Gordon proves his 2011 levels of health and performance are sustainable.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/royals.xml

  209. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Trade the Charleston River Dogs roster and the Tampa Yankees roster to the Cubs for Mather and Alfonso Soriano. They have home runs today and both are outfielders.

  210. Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Oh goodie you’ve gone back to mindless hyperbole! Stick to what you’re good at they say.

  211. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Get abreu. He just caught a fly ball.

  212. champ809 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    The Nats plan is to move Morse to 1B next year with Werth in LF and Harper in RF and find a leadoff/CF player.

    Rendon may get moved to 2B if his bat really comes in which case they would most likely look to package Ian Desmond to get a legit CF with leadoff skills back and move Danny Espinosa over to his natural position of SS where he’d be Tulo-lite..

  213. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    champ809 March 22nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    The Nats plan is to move Morse to 1B next year with Werth in LF and Harper in RF and find a leadoff/CF player.

    Rendon may get moved to 2B if his bat really comes in which case they would most likely look to package Ian Desmond to get a legit CF with leadoff skills back and move Danny Espinosa over to his natural position of SS where he’d be Tulo-lite..

    ______________________________________

    I have heard talk of Wash trying to move Rendon to 2B. Kind of like Seattle did with Ackley. If he could stick there it work out great for them.

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