Spring training Game 20: Yankees at Red Sox
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 22, 2012 
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YANKEES (10-9)
Brett Gardner LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Andruw Jones RF
Eric Chavez 3B
Raul Ibanez DH
Brandon Laird 1B
Jose Gil C
Ramiro Pena 2B
Doug Bernier SS
RHP Adam Warren (0-0, 3.38)
Warren’s minor league career
RED SOX (9-7)
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
David Ortiz DH
Cody Ross LF
Ryan Sweeney RF
Kelly Shoppach C
Mike Aviles SS
RHP Aaron Cook (0-0, 0.00)
Cook vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES Network
WEATHER: Cloudy with a slight chance of rain. Temperatures in the 70s. Wind blowing right to left.
UMPIRES: HP Mark Lollo, 1B Tim Tschida, 2B Tim Timmons, 3B Manny Gonzalez
SOX PEN: Two former Yankees, Ross Ohlendorf and Mark Melancon, are both scheduled to pitch for the Red Sox tonight. LHP Jesse Carlson and RHP Scott Atchison are also scheduled to pitch.
SOUNDS FAMILIAR: While CC Sabathia was pitching in a minor league game in Tampa, Josh Beckett spent his afternoon pitchingin a minor league game in Fort Myers. Beckett also threw six innings. Team’s usually don’t like to have their starting pitchers face division teams late in spring training.
NEW PARK: The Red Sox new spring complex is actually called Fenway South. It has the same diminisions as Fenway Park in Boston and holds roughly 9,900 fans.
UPDATE, 7:16 p.m.: Warren works a 1-2-3 first inning getting through Ellsbury, Pedroia and Youkilis.
UPDATE, 7:37 p.m.: Warren looks pretty sharp through two scoreless. He’s allowed two singles, one on a ground ball that glanced off his own glove, and one on a sharp single to left-center (call it even because another linedrive was caught by Brett Gardner). He just got Kelly Shoppach to fly out, stranding runners at the corners in the second. It’s still a scoreless game after two.
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: Another 1-2-3 inning for Warren, capping the inning with a strikeout of Pedroia, who swung at a pitch that ultimately hit him. He’s out of the game.
UPDATE, 8:00 p.m.: Leadoff single by Gardner, RBI triple by Granderson, RBI single by Jones. It’s a 2-0 Yankees lead in the fourth. Pedroia, by the way, was pulled with a bruised forearm.
UPDATE, 8:06 p.m.: Doug Bernier really can do some things on defense. That’s a fine play up the middle to get Youkilis for the first out of the bottom of the fourth.
UPDATE, 8:11 p.m.: Quite an outing from Warren through four scoreless, now it’s Ross Ohlendorf on the mound for the Red Sox in the fifth. Laird leads off with a double off him.
UPDATE, 8:13 p.m.: Jose Gil just keeps getting hits. He singled to right to put runners at the corners, still with no outs.
UPDATE, 8:34 p.m.: Warren is finished after four scoreless, and Dellin Betances has come out of the bullpen with a strikeout and a fly out against his first two hitters.
Free Pineda from the Crazies and send him to Yankee Stadium in April!
Not gonna lose sleep over where Pineda starts one way or another.
Just hope if the yankees send him down to start the year, they involve Pineda in every step of the decision.
Sending a guy to AAA (with no home ballpark, heck, send him to Trenton) could be received very poorly given the ML year he had last year.
Remember the excuse many members of this community granted Montero for his non-promotion last year? He underperformed for 3 full months, got a suspension and it wasn’t even a demotion for him.
If he’s sent down, I’d think intellectual honestly would require he get a very LONG rope for how he handles it with some of you.
It would seem kind of absurd if Pineda touches 95 or 96 in his next start and the Yankees send him to AAA to “work on his velocity”. Is the change-up not major league ready?
Pineda to AAA ??? Why ???
Who between Pineda and Nova goes to AAA may come down to who Cashman and the yankees will handle it better. Pineda is pitching considerably better than Nova.
Pat M.
Because some sabr guy said so.
No, Pat M. It’s just speculation.
Cashman and the yankees ***think*** will handle it better.
Pineda to AAA ??? Why ???
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It has obvious service time/monetary benefits
Sending down Nova fresh off a 16 win rookie season where he was senselessly demoted for one month to accommodate a broken Hughes borders on abuse.
Sending down Nova fresh off a 16 win rookie season where he was senselessly demoted for one month to accommodate a broken Hughes borders on abuse.
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Sending Nova down has obvious service time/monetary benefits
Pat M,
check out the article that (who posted it?) was posted in the last thread.
It makes an interesting case for doing it. Not an obvious one… but it’s interesting.
I don’t want Pineda going to AAA and traveling all over the boonies of NY state like a gypsy in the night. Those poor slobs are homeless. Watch the movie “Sugar” to see the what could happen to a Dominican in hillbilly country.
Hell be washing dishes by
The Yankees have by and large been able to ignore the strategies that other clubs use to maximize service time for younger players, due to their ability to maintain quality players in free agency by spending money. If they really want to spend smarter, doing things like this is one of the steps they can take to maximize their young pitching.
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He’ll be washing dishes by August.
If Nova is sent to AAA it will be because he had the worst spring of the group. He’ll handle it.
If Pettite comes back let’s say May 1st, Cashamn will trade Garcia and could move Nova to the 6th spot / swingman…….Unless Pineda has some issues I cannot imagine him in AAA….
Nova was sent down to work on a pitch and it certainly made a difference when he returned. He is not pitching well this spring.
1. Trade Garcia for something of value (not great value, but also not just a salary dump)
2. Nova to AAA
3. Pineda to AAA
4. Trade Hughes (doesn’t seem like a good idea right now)
5. Garcia rots/is wasted on the bench as the long man for 3-4 weeks
If it’s not #1…. can you really just say “demoting Nova or Pineda is crazy!” ?
As the article points out (and JF), there are obvious time/monetary benefits to doing that.
Worth thinking about at least.
that warren kid has some pretty good control. impressive
bet the sox wish they had him over bard, who’s got velocity and no control
“If they really want to spend smarter, doing things like this is one of the steps they can take to maximize their young pitching.”
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what would the Rays do (WWRD) ?
(assuming they were comfortable with the current payroll and were under no pressure to shed 2012 salary)
Yeah send Nova. He’s probably already got girlfriends In every town so he won’t mind as much.
This is the inning for Warren to impress the Yanks. Gonzalez, Ortis and Ross.
GB7,
would have loved to see Phelps against those 3… but Warren will do.
Love having so many legit options in the system.
Great AB for Warren.
impressive
Nice.
Very nice.
Owned. What a terrible swing.
So, if not deflected, was that ball fielded?
So, if not deflected, was that ball fielded?
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With the shift, probably.
“So, if not deflected, was that ball fielded?”
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looked like it definitely would have been
Wow Ortiz is slow
I like what Warren has done FB wise so far but his secondary stuff hasn’t been great, not getting any swings or even looks.
That park really looks a lot like Fenway.
What level minor league facility is this for them?
I just want to say that if you’re interested in the difference between cultures, Phelps flying home to be with his wife giving birth would be absolutely unacceptable for a player in the NPB. Team first!
Not too bad, I’d say.
I wouldn’t be shocked if DePaula sees Charleston this yr. he’s been under Yankees tutelage in the DR for over a yr.
I just gotta message saying they’re charging that Sgt. with 17 murders. An ugly situation just got uglier.
Villa Nova -Ya….I was thinking the same thing about how beautiful that park is….Probably has a better infield…Amazing how many new ballparks there are in Florida and how incredibly nice they are as well……
I wouldn’t be shocked if DePaula sees Charleston this yr. he’s been under Yankees tutelage in the DR for over a yr.
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That would be really aggressive, but he is 21. So EST once he gets over, SI to get warmed up, late season run at charleston? Wouldn’t be bad for him…
Pat M -
I’ve never been to Fenway. Maybe I can avoid Boston and just go down to Florida!!! I’ve always liked “new.” LOL
Pat M
That cover over the seats in the outfield are reminiscent of Dodger Stadium, no?
Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I just gotta message saying they’re charging that Sgt. with 17 murders. An ugly situation just got uglier.
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Regardless of the reason. absolutely no excuse. Military does have capital punishment.
GB7,
Calley should have got it.
Villa Nova…..Yes they do resemble the roof over Pavilion seats
tomingeorgia March 22nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
GB7,
Calley should have got it.
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Yes, but, Westmoreland and Medina gave the orders. Calley knew it was an unlawful order. No excuse their, either.
***there***, either
Warren is looking good after a tough 2nd inning with 23 pitches. Nice rebound inning
Calley was the reason I turned down OCS. It was the company I would have to keep. They were really scraping the bottom for LTs
got to like that riding fastball not only strikes out the dwarf, but adds a little pain to the process.
Nice inning for Warren.
tomingeorgia March 22nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Calley was the reason I turned down OCS. It was the company I would have to keep. They were really scraping the bottom for LTs
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Was never offered a chance for OCS. Perhaps it was my golf game and dating the Battalion Commander’s daughter in the back seat of her car.
Legendary Ellsbury fielding.
Granderson, save those legs and triples until they count.
GB7,
Perhaps a rash choice, though Snake Hoskins would approve.
GB,
I’ve read this could take years especially if they want to execute him and that there is no such thing as a guilty plea in a capital case. His lawyer already said his memory is patchy of the night.
I thought they could have done it quicker. Military tribunal or whatever they do for war crimes.
I love triples!, particularly from Grandy!
That would be really aggressive, but he is 21. So EST once he gets over, SI to get warmed up, late season run at charleston? Wouldn’t be bad for him…
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Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. He’d obviously have to perform at each level. But I think it’s possible.
I think Jones was safe, BUT good pick-off move by Cook. He’s AAA?
Face….You are kidding about Ellsbury right ??? Just making that play look close was an accomplishment, ball was smoked and out there like a 2 iron
Bronx,
If it were a declared “war”, they could.
Oh, man – Ibanez looked like he was going to get a hit…oh, well.
What did the hour glass read on Ibanez to first base. I had forgotten about Cook’s move. It’s damned GOOD.
they strung out the haditha massacre trial so long with delays and changing prosecutors, etc. that in the end they had to plea them out. they’ll do that same here.cya
You are kidding about Ellsbury right ??? Just making that play look close was an accomplishment, ball was smoked and out there like a 2 iron
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Bad route, funny attempt to stab a ball he overran. I’m fine with my comment on his fielding.
Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
GB,
I’ve read this could take years especially if they want to execute him and that there is no such thing as a guilty plea in a capital case. His lawyer already said his memory is patchy of the night.
I thought they could have done it quicker. Military tribunal or whatever they do for war crimes.
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It’ll take years. They won’t turn him over to the Afghan, though. US army has always tried their own. The last cobat soldier executed, in a war zone was Eddie Slovak, but, that was for cowadice under fire in WWII.
They yankees are now faced with a decision of sending either pineda or nova down. This is absolutely absurd. Nova has done everything the yankees have asked of him. He came into camp in shape, ready to pitch, and now faces the possibility of being sent to AAA because of his ST stats.
I’m not saying the that the yankees should ignore his ST stats but at one point can you just go out and pitch—— and not have to worry about job security. I think Nova has earned that right.
Now we have 7 pitchers for 5 spots and YES, I know injuries happen but what if everyone is pitching well? Now we have to disrupt the chemistry to insert andy into the rotation so that he can pitch and send down someone else to make room. Makes no SENSE!!!!
Michael Pineda to Triple-A? Brian Cashman hasn’t thought about it. “I know it’s been talked about publicly about how much of a situation that is, but the only thing I’d say is Hughes has options, Nova has options, he’s got options and Freddy doesn’t. … Focusing on one individual isn’t necessarily fair to tat individual. It seems like there are a lot of questions and focus on him.”
GB7,
I thought that was for desertion.
so benny were they supposed to tell andy to go give the mets a call?
Face…..Stick to your spreadsheets…..
I like the way the Yanks are playing tonight, taking every extra base. Fun to watch.
nobody’s going to aaa at the start imo. garcia will be going to atlanta or flushing or somewhere else before that happens. that gives them another month of evaluation before andy becomes an issue (assuming he’s healthy and effective by then)
On a board for a Court Martial, there are 5 officers after one is excused. The President of the Board in a capital court martial must be a general officer. It takes a general officer to sign the warrent (usually the soldier’s commanding general. Takes a unanimous board decision for execution.
As much as I love Andy Ca$H basically made 1 move too many this offseason with the pitching. Kuroda right now is just a wasted sign. Andy could have helped had he been more decisive 2months ago and saved the headache that this is all causing.
Assuming every body breaks camp healthy it would be a travesty and a misuse of assets If Nova, Hughes, Pineda don’t all get the opportunity to take the ball every 5th day for the major league club and build on their early success and establish themselves as legit major leaguers.
If I were making the call and Pettite gets himself and in shape when he’s ready to go I’d trade Kuroda before I look to demote any of the kids unless their performance dictates it.
It’s time to just give these kids the ball and let them run with it and stop jerking them around between the minors and the bronx or the rotation or the ‘pen every time they have a hiccup.
i just finished a mock draft. i’m rounding into shape, i did very well i thought.
i picked up arod as by CI at #78. he keeps dropping as the season nears.
The reality is,somebody has to leave the rotation.
2 when pettitte returns.
Garcia is the easy choice,but he said he would pitch out of the pen.
Look for him to be traded as soon as possible.
The crazy thing is warren,phelp,mitchell are all probably ready,and hopefully banuelos,and betances next year.
Something’s got to give.Hughes,if still pitching well,can’t be yanked because of his ace potential.
If nova is pitching great,and pineda struggles,maybe pineda goes down,but i don ‘t see anybody but nova going down,unless a suprise trade like hughes,nova,or kuroda.
Maybe the yankees ask kuroda to waive his ntc,but that would be a tough thing to ask a pitcher like him.
Ys Guy March 22nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
so benny were they supposed to tell andy to go give the mets a call?
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Absolutely NOT!
I love andy…. But its going to cause problems “if” the rotation is rolling. I’m not saying everyone will be pitching great but it is a possibility. May will come around then someone will have to be sent down or traded.
tomingeorgia March 22nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
GB7,
I thought that was for desertion.
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You’re correct. It was desertion under fire. He never should have been in service. He was semi-crippled as was his wife and boarder-line retarded. he was Eisenhower’s example in WWII.
“As much as I love Andy Ca$H basically made 1 move too many this offseason with the pitching.”
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BINGO!!
There are nice to haves and need to haves
I think andy signing was a nice to have move..JMO!
This board has produced every possible scenario except the one where Hughes is dealt. We have scenarios where a guy with a no-trade clause (Kuroda) is traded or asked to waive his NTC. We have Nova in AAA after he has clearly earned his job security. We have Pineda going to AAA after an AS season. Yet Hughes has “ace potential” still. That’s really news to me.
How was that Cashman’s mistake, though?
He offered Andy mucho money before he signed Kuroda, and Andy said he wasn’t sure, so go ahead and do whatever you need to do. Cash waits too long and Andy says no, and Kuroda is in Japan, then what? I love Andy and if he’s healthy and productive it’ll be great to have him back, but he was not thinking about what his decision would mean to the rest of the staff when February/March rolled around and the Yankees already had one too many guys.
10 pitch walk for Grandy. A piece of work.
Face…..Stick to your spreadsheets…..
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I’ll do just fine sticking it to you and anyone else that fronts to this.
Ys Guy
Did you have your real draft yet?
Hughes is not getting dealt. I’d be shocked. Unless it is for a player that is on no one’s radar, I don’t see it. Not only that, you don’t make any trades before you know that Andy Pettitte will stay healthy and effective.
We have Nova in AAA after he has clearly earned his job security.
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What job security has he earned? And how has Hughes not earned as much Job security?
how did cash make 1 too many moves when he couldnt be sure andy was coming back? had he known for sure it would have been different, but you can’t go on “golly, gee i been thinkin i could still pitch but i’m not gunna take that ten million right now…”
By sending Nova to AAA they would remove the possibility that he becomes a super-2. Its an option if they can’t find someone to ship Garcia too.
Still not one scenario where Hughes gets dealt. Reminds me of the Montero talk pre-trade.
Betances, what a surprise! Didn’t know he was going.
Still not one scenario where Hughes gets dealt. Reminds me of the Montero talk pre-trade.
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There are scenarios where Hughes gets dealt, you’ve entertained all of them while not entertaining any alternative scenario, why does anyone else have to also entertain scenarios you’ve already given us? Alternatives welcome.
Betances is falling off the mound.
“This board has produced every possible scenario except the one where Hughes is dealt.”
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This is a weird thing to post.
YOU produced this scenario.
A LOT.
Why doesn’t that count?
ron, the ‘lohud’ draft is sunday night. and i’m in an auction league that drafts tuesday. i might join one more…
Betances hailing from the Pineda school on landing at 2nd base.
Pat M., how about that blast from Laird? he really needs to get off to a hot start this year. Always been an issue…slow start and very streaky.
Betances is falling off the mound at 96.
pre trade you couldn’t even suggest trading montero unless it was for king felix or you’d get bombarded.
pre trade you couldn’t even suggest trading montero unless it was for king felix or you’d get bombarded
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Trades for absolute aces/good position players were entertained, it was the constant need to shuffle him off for Joakim Soria and the ilk that were bombarded.
Still needs to zero in the control. Should get it done this year in AAA.
im at work and can’t watch, how’s my boy dellin looking tonight?
Hughes does have ace potential.
You can’t risk trading you possible best young.
The idea is to keep the best pitcher,not trade him.
Now we don’t know yet who is the better pitcher,but right now hughes is the best pitcher in st.
If he ever gets his curve back,makes his cutter better,and develops a better changeup,he will be the best pitcher on the team.
Right now nova has nothing on hughes.Pineda neither.
Just too risky to tradfe hughes,imo.
I think nova goes before hughes.
Batter just saw his life flash before him.
And the pitching depth now after Hughes parallels catching depth before Montero was dealt. After Montero you still had Martin, Cervelli, Romine, Murphy and Sanchez. You’ve got Hughes for that 5th spot and after him, Pettitte, Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Betances, Banuelos, Campos, Depaula…
And the funny thing is people will be shocked when Hughes is dealt.
Only Derek, Mariano and Alex have been with the Yanks longer than Phil Hughes……Well, I guess you can include Pettite now, but he was gone for awhile
How does Kuroda have a no trade clause on a 1yr deal?
I think Hughes will eventually get traded when Banny and Dellin are ready to come up…In a perfect outcome Hughes has a really strong year and re-establishes his trade value and becomes a big chip either @ the trade deadline or even better in the offseason.
2013 ‘ro could very well be;
CC
Pineda
Nova
Banuelos
Bettances
with Hughes being traded in a package like IPK for Grandy type deal. As an example the Yanks trade Hughes to the Royals for Alex Gordon who becomes the LF with Gardy sling over to CF and Grandy in RF…something like Hughes/Phelps/Corban Joseph for Gordon + a 2nd player would be interesting.
i never make trade proposals but just my belief that he was going to be traded was very unpopular.
Not a bad inning for Betances. Get better the next inning.
Betances just doesn’t impress me tonight or any other time I’ve seen him throw. Too inconsistent in his delivery.
ESPN has him mostly at 89-90, there was one at 94. Does the YES gun have him throwing harder than that?
And the funny thing is people will be shocked when Hughes is dealt.
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Do you think that Nova would be traded being that he could return the better possible player?
im guessing your suggestion of handing two rookies rotation spots is going to be as poorly recieved as my montero belief…
The chance of both Banuelos and Betances both being in the rotation in 2013 is about the same as the chance of the Mets winning it all this year.
i can assure you that betances can be very impressive at times. he can’t do it all the time yet which is his problem to overcome, and ofcourse there is no guarantee he ever will. but he can be quite impressive when he gets it going.
And you have Cashman who once boasted of the high number of GM’s inquiring about Ian Kennedy, how Noesi was hitting 97 in the DR and how Montero is Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols.
This same source is now pumping Hughes as one of the best young guns in the game.
And nobody gets it.
man…hate to see a player hit the wall with his glove folded under like that of Sweeney. Too much like griffey back when.
Not even Stuckey
This same source is now pumping Hughes as one of the best young guns in the game.
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He has pumped up Hughes every season, and failed to include him in trades when asked.
Ys Guy
I had mine suday.Points league,9 teams.
No era,whip,ba,obp.
arencibia
fielder
uggla
astrubral cabrera
longoria
bruce
konerko
michael morse
ortiz
montero
berkman
kipnis
bonifacio
fowler
j johnson
shields
hamels
sanchez
hughes
minor
marmol
storen
f cordero
sergio santos
brandon beachy
The ball was in the glove when he swung
boy, Ibanez looks just awful at the plate…
The ball was in the glove when he swung
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Its a timing issue, mainly that by the time his bat moves the ball is by him
Right and Montero was only offered for Cliff Lee and Halladay so anything short of Kershaw meant no deal.
Not a good at bat for Laird.
Bret,
You’re venturing into very peculiar territory.
If you’re looking for someone to agree Hughes could get traded, I volunteer.
I think Hughes could get traded. I think Nova could get traded. I think Banuelos and Betances could get traded. I think Pineda could get traded under the right circumstances.
if you’re fixated on finding someone to agree with you that the ONLY pitcher that could, should and will be traded is Hughes, I’d suggest you’d ask yourself why you’re so fixated on this very specific thing.
ron, you draft like i do, very strong in the weak positions. i take it montero is that rookie kid i been hearing about… i LOVE hamels this yr. also marmol and s. santo are very strong picks.
i’ve been doing mostly 12 team drafts so its hard to do the conversion but that team looks very strong!
Jerkface March 22nd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
The ball was in the glove when he swung
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Its a timing issue, mainly that by the time his bat moves the ball is by him
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or it could be another timing issue-he needs to be 3 years younger…
in fact a trade of Hughes/ Phelps/ Corban Joseph for Gordon and Tim Collins would work for both sides. Phil could be a #1 in KC with a nice nucleus of young kids ready to take off and lead a staff that would include Danny Duffy, Mike Montgomery, Jake Oddirizzi, Aaron Crow with Phelps rounding out that group and Corban Joseph would be a nice good hitter for them to play @ 2B.
The Yanks would get an all star caliber LH hitter to play + d and by sliding Gardy over to Cf and Grandy in Rf they get + D all around the OF. Grandy’s arm might be lil short to play RF but for 1 season he could play there. Collins gives them a power LH RP in the mold of Billy Wagner…lil guy throws 98 to add to a pen of Joba/DRob/Soriano/Logan which could be filthy.
Bret is the “male” version of Betsy.
Because the prospect hugging of Hughes never ended so it reminds me of Montero pre-trade where this board was group think and unpleasant. Some are determined to keep it group think.
And Green Beret is the male version of Nurse Karloff.
This stadium really does look like Fenway. It’s uncanny! I am wondering if they imported a bunch of vermin the size of large cats, and sprinkled a few gallons of piss around to duplicate the odor of Fenway?
Betances…don’t let them pull the ball to third. You’ll have to bury your third baseman on the field.
Ibanez is saving his good swings for when the games count.
Champ,
I can see Hughes for Alex Gordon but here’s my issue with it. I think the Royals would want more. They traded one year of control on Melky for 3 years of Jonathon Sanchez. Gordon is thought to be a better ballplayer than Melky and the Royals have him for 2 years instead of just 1. Hughes is on part with Sanchez statistically yet he’s not a lefty and he has only 2 years of control.
An eyeball test tells me the Royals would want more than Hughes for A. Gordon.
ruth was traded, frank robinson was, jackie robinson, too, tom seaver, tony perez, pete rose!
hughes? pffft!
and im a big fan of phils!
Hughes is on ***part*** with what?
Bret,
As a general rule, I’ve never understood why anyone would express unwielding conviction in trying to predict baseball, be it future transactions or performance.
I’ve become to believe one of the most predictable thing about baseball is unpredictability.
But in all straightforwardness, you seem to often display some of these unwielding conviction.
You may not have a group behind you, but you sure to seem to have a very rigid “think” about certain things.
An eyeball test tells me the Royals would want more than Hughes for A. Gordon.
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If he’d even be available (which he may not be), that’s likely true.
The ball seeks to be slipping out of his hand a lot. Is he sweating a lot? I cant tell. I only seen him grab the rosin bag once though. Maybe he needs to dry his hand off more often.
WOW…Indy at the buzzer with the 3 to beat KY.
champs proposal was; ” a trade of Hughes/ Phelps/ Corban Joseph for Gordon and Tim Collins would work for both sides.”
YS Guy……Keep in mind, Phil Hughes is 25…This not to say he’s not tradable, but all the guys you so correctly mentioned were old guys with contract issues to a degree…….
damn i missed ky going down? damn work!
Stuckey,
Well maybe that’s something we share in common. We’re not vulnerable to context. Maybe the difference is I pick a position and you stay neutral. But that probably works for you in your life and what I do works for me.
The royals only got 1 year of Sanchez, he is a fA in 2013.
Coach Cal can’t win the big one.
Erik Boland ? @eboland11
Details Shoot, I forgot to ask Pettitte and Cashman about Tebow
good point pat. so let’s go with pedro martinez and randy johnson…
Y’s
Ky plays tomorrow.
mick, were you watching the Kentucky game on ESPN Classic or on a futurecast?
Mick,
The KY game is tomorrow…..
Betances being around Pineda and sabathia can only help him out, trying to pitch as a tall man and wide body.
Much better inning for betances.
kornhieser said something like’ this is new york, they’ll cheer for tebow to get in but if he can’t win, they’ll boo so loud that they’ll hear it in heaven.’
The sin of the 3 walks were buried by the 4 strikeouts.
Aaron Cook interview over the betances inning was annoying, do we really need to see Aaron Cook?? Just give audio, I hate the obsession with using as little tv real estate as possible for interviews during a lvie sporting event. Put him in a little PIp box or something
I enjoyed seeing the Red Sox being owned by our minor league starters.
“The sin of the 3 walks were buried by the 4 strikeouts.”
that’s my boy! i saw him have one of those 3 walk innings in trenton, there was a dp in the middle and a 3 pitch k to end it. it came up all zeroes on the scoreboard….
No question about it. Melancon hates Vazquez.
Eventually, Betances will figure out how to regroup after a bit of wildness and cut off the rallies at the knees.
Good evening everyone,
Just checking in….Loved the way the kids have basically given a little taste of whats coming in the next few years….Warren was impressive, he handled much of the top of the line up of the Sux, which is amazing…
By the way, did anyone see yesterdays game on ESPN where the woman interviewed Teix saying the critics were down on his defense from last year and what he did to get better? I was just as confused as Teix was when he went to answer the question lol
Those fans sitting behind first base don’t realize how dangerous it is when Toussen cuts loose with a throw.
cty we were discussing that on here when she asked it. what the hell was she talking about.
tex kinda laughed it off with a quizzical look and went ‘full jeter’
With Betances it is usually the first inning, the important thing is that he is able to adjust, not many kid can do that in the middle of a game.
Molina had to make that play
Gil looks like he came out to far to get the throw.
My error, Luis. that was Molina. still, that non-play by Toussen really hurt.
I caught that interview late last night. Glad someone else noticed haha I wonder if she came up with that question or if someone had her ask. Either way, way to be clueless lol
Corey Wade getting lit up.
Oh. My bad. I didn’t do the brackets this year. That was last years game. Sorry.
Still got a kick out of it.
Red sox must be happy to see pitches below the speed limit. Time for venditte…just because.
Toussen does not look comfortable on grounders and pop-ups. Scary.
Don’t quit your day job, mick.
mick, were you watching the Kentucky game on ESPN Classic or on a futurecast?
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nick, a pastcast.
Yup GB, it hurt… I don’t know what’s going on with Wade, is he using that three quarter arm slot again or is it the angle of the camera?
Will be interesting to see if Wade can be as effective as last year. This would have been an all kid staff tonight and not let the Red sox even sniff Wade.
im not watching the game but someone said gil came out to far to get a throw. i’ve seen several catchers either come up or drop back to take throws from the OF and let the guy score instead of trying to make a play at the plate. that’s the smart play in ST. if only someone had told cervelli a few years back…
Will be interesting to see if Wade can be as effective as last year.
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Relief in general is highly variable, so I don’t see why he couldn’t be effective (2 era might be asking a lot). His strengths are 2 offspeed pitches and command of his FB and both of those. He doesn’t walk guys, gets his share of K’s, but its not overpowering.
On a bad day he won’t be able to get out of jams on pure stuff like say robertson or joba could.
Will be interesting to see if Wade can be as effective as last year
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I’m not sure about tonight, but last time he started using a three quarter arm slot with very poor results. The second he came with an over the shoulder arm slot and did much better, i wonder who is tweaking with his mechanics.
Always thought Maruszac would have been better than he has shown.
Angelini just never figured it out with the bat or glove
Raul Ibanez: .054
Gustavo Molina: .545
Ys Guy March 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
im not watching the game but someone said gil came out to far to get a throw. i’ve seen several catchers either come up or drop back to take throws from the OF and let the guy score instead of trying to make a play at the plate. that’s the smart play in ST. if only someone had told cervelli a few years back…
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I said it, but, it turns out that it was Molina and not Gil.
Molina came up, but after catching the throw backed up behind the third base foul line. Could have been a broken arm if he had tried to tag the runner in the front of the body instead of his back..
GB7,
Angelini almost made an incredible play
Angelini was too shocked to make a throw.
Angelini was a 10th round pick for $1 mil around 2007. 18 year old high schooler
Wade could be the one that gets sent down instead of Nova/Pineda/Hughes
Too bad, he never figure it out….I remember when they drafted him, everybody was very excited about him
No shame in this game. The kids did well. Only 3 and a half regulars and one veteran pitcher.
I lost the feed, but Kontos looked very good, nice CU. I thought that he didn’t have good off speed pitches.
Valentine is an idiot.
Good game …..S
Haha joe is getting back at him. Good for Jor!!!
Even though it’s ST it’s a lousy finish to the game here. Wade was pretty bad.
All-star Game Rules in play tonight.
Lot of good stuff from the Baby bombers
Sorry what happened? Tie game?, what did Bobby V did?
Not a peep from Abraham all game other than two references to his main squeeze, Bruce Springsteen. Then a fast 10 messages. He squirted all of the jelly out of his donut in excitement.
Luis
He put on the squeeze play in the bottom of the 9th to tie the score. Doing it in a ST is just kind of dumb move IMO.
Valentine has issues, but he is a good manager.
Tar March 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Luis
He put on the squeeze play in the bottom of the 9th to tie the score. Doing it in a ST is just kind of dumb move IMO.
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Thanks Tar, yes it dumb…
Their starting lineup still got owned by two of our minor league starters for 7 innings.
Tar March 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Luis
He put on the squeeze play in the bottom of the 9th to tie the score. Doing it in a ST is just kind of dumb move IMO.
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No surprise there. First game of ST was against a college team. 7th inning 19-1 lead, he had runners stealing bases. I’m sure there will be words said in the post game interview about Girardi walking out.
valentine is as bad as Madden, LaRussa and Scoisca and prior to them, Billy Martin. They honestly believe they’re smarter than every other manager and believe they invented the game.
i just read where valentine said melancon ‘looked good backing up the bases’ after he got bombed the other day….now that’s funny.
valentine has a whole lot of issues but he can crack you up sometimes…
Luis
Joe had a look like he didn’t appreciate it. Valentine thought they were going to play extra innings and Joe said no that’s it. The Yankees walked off the field. I liked that part.
@DavidWaldstein
Valentine not happy game was called after 9. Said it wasn’t courteous and that Yankees had plenty of pitching left. Girardi said he didn’t.
check mate
Tar……Bobby V. just put that in the heads of The Yanks and every other club in The AL…….Mikey Scioscia used to do this quite alot when he first took over the Halos…..It’ll be in the back of their minds….
I’d take Maddon in a heartbeat. And the way Girardi talks to the media, he’s hardly any different.
Really nice day for Warren and Betances….the ESPN gun was screwy and slow….Warren had really good fastball command and throws strikes and the last two outings for Betances have been the best I’ve personally seen him throw….I think he got squeezed a little bit at times but his stuff is electric….if he can get just a little more consistent with his delivery then look out.
Also….Bernier is nasty with the glove….he’s a nice guy to have around….
Tar March 22nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Luis
Joe had a look like he didn’t appreciate it. Valentine thought they were going to play extra innings and Joe said no that’s it. The Yankees walked off the field. I liked that part.
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OMG! good for him!…A squeeze play in ST?….I guess Bobby V is doing his best to stir the bad blood between the teams.
Pat m
Better to surprise them, than to warn them about it.
1 out in the bottom of the 9 th in spring training and you are playing for a tie? That’s just ????????
Bernier would be ok if he could hit, or run.
i like maddon alot. glad to not have tito in the division anymore. valentine will burn out the clubhouse and wear out his welcome pretty quick so having him up there is like money in the bank…
blake March 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Really nice day for Warren and Betances….the ESPN gun was screwy and slow….Warren had really good fastball command and throws strikes and the last two outings for Betances have been the best I’ve personally seen him throw….I think he got squeezed a little bit at times but his stuff is electric….if he can get just a little more consistent with his delivery then look out.
Also….Bernier is nasty with the glove….he’s a nice guy to have around….
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Yes, Betances needs to be a little more consistent on his mechanics, but he is able to adjust in the middle of the game, that’s not easy to do. I think he is a keeper.
Maddon’s too gimicky, with the hair cut changes, different colors, different clothes for road trips, football helmets during interviews. These are supposed to be professional players. Having a little fun is one thing, but, that crap is little league or junior high.
I was impressed how Warren attacked at least part of the Sox A lineup with his fastball…..tarheel
All aboard the Big Dellin B Bandwagon! it’s gonna be a good ride!
PeteAbe
Valentine upset the Yankees didn’t want to play 10 innings. Called it “discourteous” and said they had pitching. Girardi said they didn’t
GB….I think Madden is the best in the game
gb the players like it, and the fans….well there aren’t any, so if it works, why quit? he’s having fun, they are having fun, he keeps it loose..
Bobby V never stops talking
“GB….I think Madden is the best in the game”
he’s got a strong case for it….
“said it wasn’t courteous”
Haha good one Bobby. How about playing for a tie in ST when you know the other team has a long drive home. What a knucklehead.
I feel like they are trying to make Shoppach look as much like Varitek as possible…..wonder if he’ll catch Beckett and wear a C on his jersey to make him feel better.
PeteAbe
Yankees travel roster lists six pitchers who didn’t get in the game.
Of course, Abraham and valentine failed to mention that the yanks have a 2 hour + road trip back to Tampa and a split squad double header tomorrow afternoon in seperate cities.
are the Red Sox seriously making an issue out of the final score of a spring training game?
I know it’s spring training but Ibanez has no bat speed….
Pat M. March 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
GB….I think Madden is the best in the game
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Just my opinion, but, like the others I mentioned along with guillen, I have zero use for. I’m sure that they are concerned about it…but, there it is.
I know it’s spring training but Ibanez has no bat speed….
He does….If he swings tonight, the bat might hit something tomorrow.
Yankeesource ? @YankeeSource
Raw but high velocity arm up to 97 (on some guns 99), mechanics, work ethic, good feel. RT @mrnicweber what do you know of the depaula kid.
have Andrew Marchand Jon Heyman confirmed those velocities?
valentine calls it discourtious, huh? What is waving bye to a manager that’s thrown out of a game?
Nova and Kuroda pitching Friday. Trying to figure out who will pitch the Sunday game we are going to. I think he pitches Freddie on Saturday and Pineda on Sunday?
GB….I understand the buses are my better than they were 40 years ago, but it’s still a drag after a night game and get back at 1 in the morning….
2nd and 3rd with one out in the bottom of the 9th and you squeeze????? In spring training????? Not courteous, are they kidding. It’s a joke right, haha Bobby’s being funny?
“He does….If he swings tonight, the bat might hit something tomorrow.”
I hope he finds it because it would help the team….but I’m not very optimistic based on how he looked last year and this spring…..he just looks lost up there
Pat M. March 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
GB….I understand the buses are my better than they were 40 years ago, but it’s still a drag after a night game and get back at 1 in the morning….
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I’ve made the trip from FT Myers to Tampa many times. It’s really a pretty short hop up I-75 your pretty much there before you know it
Pat M. March 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
GB….I understand the buses are my better than they were 40 years ago, but it’s still a drag after a night game and get back at 1 in the morning….
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Add in shower time, go to the park to pick up your ride, get something to eat, go to where you stay. If they get to sleep by 3-4 AM they’ll be lucky.
I was talking on the phone while watching and they showed footage of soome tool riding a bike and dressed like he was competing in the Tour de France.
Was that Bobby V????
Good night Yankee fans.
Gary,
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Is at least a two hour drive…That’s no short hop, especially late at night
GN Tar
One thing you can bet…this game time start tonight with the Yanks scheduled to play a split squad 2 game set tomorrow was not done by accident.
eboland11
Valentine: “They had plenty of pitching.” Said “I don’t set protocol.” and “Joe knows better than I. I guess you just walk off the field.”