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Friday notes: Nova takes positives from fifth start

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 23, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

At his best, Ivan Nova was unhitable today, and that’s what he and the Yankees seemed to take out of this outing.

“The command that I had — my fastball, my curveball, slider, especially the changeup today — was unbelievable,” Nova said. “Every time, here in spring training, when you’re trying to work on something, and you have a good day like today – everything was working – you’ve got to take it. You’ve got to be positive on that.”

Nova retired the first 12 batters he faced, then he closed his outing with a 1-2-3 seventh inning. He needed just 76 pitches, 58 strikes, to get through seven. In the middle, there was a two-run home run in the fifth inning and a two-run single in the sixth, but the Yankees came away yet again impressed by an outing that was better than the final pitching line might suggest. Nova’s had a couple of those this spring.

“Seven innings, five of them were really, really excellent,” Joe Girardi said. “He had the two that he struggled a little bit, but I was happy with what he did.”

• Not too far away in Clearwater, Hiroki Kuroda also finished with a pretty good game. He went 5.2 innings allowing one run on six hits. Kuroda got all the way up to 89 pitches in only his fourth start. Nova was making his fifth start and said he expects to start two more before breaking camp.

• The Yankees starters have performed well since Andy Pettitte signed, but Nova said that’s more about time than timing. “I think right now, everybody is in better shape than two weeks ago,” he said. “You’re going to see a lot of good results. Everybody is going to pitch good because everybody is feeling better. Everybody has more command, and I know for sure that pitches are working better than two weeks ago. For me, I expect the guys to pitch well too. I know it’s a competition, but you need not one man, I need my teammates to pitch good and have a good spring.”

• Derek Jeter went 1-for-2 in his return to the lineup. He had a first-inning single and grounded into a double play in the third inning. “I said, ‘You were actually pretty smart today,’” Joe Girardi said. “He didn’t try to kill himself running to first, which was smart.”

• Girardi said there were no other injury updates. He said after the game that he still had not heard any results from MRI and CT scan on Joba Chamberlain’s dislocated ankle.

• Jeter on Chamberlain’s injury: “You feel extremely bad for him. He’s worked hard to get his arm back in shape. It seemed as though he was ahead of schedule on that, and that’s because he worked extremely hard at it. Then to have something like this, a fluke accident, you feel extremely bad for him.”

• Mariano Rivera pitched another hitless inning and has yet to allow a hit in five outings this spring. Rafael Soriano also pitched a scoreless inning out of the bullpen today.

• New father David Phelps pitched in relief of Kuroda in Clearwater and 3.1 innings allowing two runs on three hits and a walk.

• Eduardo Nunez had three hits agianst the Twins today, and Robinson Cano had three hits against the Phillies. … Francisco Cervelli had two hits to raise his average to .214. … Ramiro Pena was 1-for-1 with a solo homer today. … Russell Martin, Brett Gardner, Eric Chavez, Brandon Laird, Chris Dickersona and Dewayne Wise had one hit appiece. … Mason Williams also singled today. He’s 2-for-2 in his pair of appearances in big league camp.

• Doug Bernier had another two-hit game in another start at shortstop. It’s still hard to imagine him making this team, but he’s really had a terrific spring. His batting average is up to .385.

• Speaking of good springs with no obvious roster spot: Justin Maxwell was 2-for-3 with an RBI and a run scored. His average is up to .444 this spring.

• Despite Bobby Valentine’s criticism, Girardi offered no apologies for not going into extra innings yesterday. “I’m going to worry about our guys,” Girardi said. Apparently much of Valentine’s criticism was based on the fact he had a pitcher — Clayton Mortensen — who he wanted to get in the game. Girardi said he would have been fine with playing just the top of the 10th if Valentine had asked. “That would have been acceptable to me,” Girardi said. “But there was no communication, and usually there is. And it’s not like this is something new. There’s a lot of tied ballgames in spring training that end in the ninth inning.”

• Mortensen, by the way, was optioned out of big league camp today.

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186 Responses to “Friday notes: Nova takes positives from fifth start”

  1. stuckey March 23rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    JF, my mistake then.

    I thought you were discussing Montero specifically. Didn’t realize you were making a general point.

    Yes, Montero over the years has certainly be named in the same sentence with some very good hitters, which certainly does support the point that it wasn’t just fanboys who have done this in the past.

  2. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    In one ear and out the other is how I treat Valentine – the guy’s a buffoon and a windbag.

    Kuroda is having a solid spring and we hardly hear a word about him; I think he’ll prove to be a very solid pickup.

    I had no idea that Joba’s injury could have been life-threatening; thank heavens he’s going to be ok – though who knows about his career? Again, the 6th inning reliever is not THAT important, so hopefully the Yankees will be able to go out and acquire someone. I thought about bringing a kid up, but that’s just going to be a waste as he’ll hardly pitch.

  3. LockDown March 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Joba – wow, he could have died?! I feel so bad for him. I feel for his family too. His son had to witness all this. :( I am a big fan of Joba and I hope he pulls through this & can get back to playing next year.

    Carpenter – I wish him the best. In the meantime, I see this opening the door for Oswalt. He’s been very picky and wants to play for them so I could see them signing him.

  4. blake March 23rd, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Wow….the details coming out about Joba’s injury are rough….certainly a rare type deal. Doesn’t sound good at all….I feel really bad for him and hope he can make it back.

  5. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    By the description of Cashman attitude (somber),you can tell is not a simple injury.It probably means the end of his career.

  6. Nick in SF March 23rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    “wish they had gone to a chuck e cheese or a bounce house place instead.”

    I don’t know, it might be even worse if Joba had broken his ankle kickboxing with an animatronic hamster.

  7. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    I thought those kid places were supposed to be safe.

  8. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Joba is getting comparisons to Joe Theisman’s injury.

    Just awful. I really hope he can recover from this – the fact that it’s his right ankle doesn’t help.

  9. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    I’ve been away for a few days, and just was reviewing some previous posts about Joba. I can’t believe that some folks are actually blaming him for poor jugment. The man was playing with his son. As a new father myself, I can understand that, irrespective of what I do for a living. He may have been showing his son how a trampoline works for all we know.

    These same folks probably would have felt better if it was his son that was injured rather than him, because you know, baseball is more important than family. IDIOTS.

    He could have had the same injury jumping rope. It happens. It’s called an accident.

    Hope he recovers, and hope his son wasn’t too traumatized by what he saw.

  10. jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Who said Joba’s injury was possibly life threatening?

  11. jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    luis March 23rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    I thought those kid places were supposed to be safe.

    For kids.

  12. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    I just can’t believe how callous, shallow, and unconcerned some in our society have been. Probably never had good relationships with their fathers so they don’t understand the PRICELESS bonds that can be created.

    SAD.

  13. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    DaSaint,

    I’m not gonna criticize Joba except that he is coming off Tommy John and (certainly in hindsight) it probably isn’t the best activity.

    He could have had a normal fall and had to catch his fall and aggravated his elbow.

    Knowing he is still in recovery from a serious surgery, it’s not crazy to hope he’d take it easy and stick to video games and skee ball.

  14. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    jacksquat,

    in a low % of cases, it can be either life threatening or limb threatening

  15. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Sorry, but I’m not going to apologize for saying that Joba should have used better judgment…….and it’s pretty asinine of you to even suggest, nevermind coming right out and saying it, that we would wish his son would have been injured. Give me a break. Maybe next time you could read the other parts of my comments (and others, as I am not the only one who feels this way) where we clearly state that we feel terribly for Joba. You can think someone made a mistake without feeling they deserved to suffer for it. Oh and I have 5 brothers and sisters and 10 nieces and nephews, so it’s possible to have feelings for people other than yourself without having to have kids

  16. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    well, life threatening because he lost so much blood

    limb threatening because the ‘skin envelope’ can be susceptible to infection.

  17. Against All Odds March 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Who said Joba’s injury was possibly life threatening

    —————

    Daily news

  18. jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    I just can’t believe how callous, shallow, and unconcerned some in our society have been. Probably never had good relationships with their fathers so they don’t understand the PRICELESS bonds that can be created.

    SAD.

    Feel better about yourself now?

  19. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Maybe David Robertson shouldn’t have rented a house with steps? Was he an idiot too? You know, athlete and all.

    Maybe pitchers should have their food cut for them too, in case a knife slips and he cuts his pitching hand.

    Maybe they need to make sure they have non slip surfaces in their shower. Don’t want to slip you know.

    Maybe they should have drivers, reinforced cars, servants, chefs, assistants, so thay can’t possibly do any activity other than hit, pitch and run.

    And maybe a surrogate at home. Don’t want to pull a muscle with the misses…not before game day.

  20. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Ah Dr. Freud has resurrected himself from the dead to psychoanalyze our motivations. I have to credit you for having the chutzpah to dare try and judge total strangers’ relationships with their fathers.

  21. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    LOL that was the funniest thing I’ve read all day – thanks for the laugh

  22. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Who on the Cardinals is worth Nova? Get real.

  23. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    I just can’t believe how callous, shallow, and unconcerned some in our society have been. Probably never had good relationships with their fathers so they don’t understand the PRICELESS bonds that can be created.

    SAD.

    Feel better about yourself now?
    —————————-

    No squat, just sad for some others. What’s the matter, do you identify with anyone heretofore described?

  24. jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    DaSaint0007, go back a thread or two and read, we already had this discussion. I don’t feel like correcting people in every thread.

  25. m March 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    No one said that Joba shouldn’t bond with his son. There are thousands of ways to bond with your kids. Way to take it to the extreme.

  26. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    DaSaint,

    do you think someone should be more careful when they are still in recovery and not yet healed from a serious injury and surgery?

    Regardless, it’s sad and we can all agree that we hope Joba is alright.

  27. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    hey Betsy. Hope all is well. Just feel bad for a guy playing with his son, enjoying priceless time promised to no one. Each moment is so valuable. And yeah, it’s easy to psychoanalyze complete strangers. I don’t have to be right, it’s just a matter of my optinion.

    Harder to do for people you actually know.

  28. jacksquat March 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    DaSaint, NO ONE is saying don’t play with your child. It’s unfair to characterize people that way. There are thousands of fun activities one can do with a child. Stop saying people have no heart because they think this ONE activity Joba should have avoided, especially coming back from TJ. Trampolines are more dangerous than your usual activity, especially the benign ones you in your previous exaggeration. It just wasn’t smart. And having said that doesn’t mean one doesn’t care about the guy or hope him the best.

  29. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    We don’t know the details yet, but Joba had to be bouncing pretty hard to sustain such a severe injury…..I’ll bet his son wasn’t on the trampoline at the time ……Such tremendous force to cause a compound fracture…….I broke my ankle and they put some screws in there, with Joba’s injury they might have to plate it….Hopefully in a few years he’ll resurface as an non roster invitee………..What were you thinking Joba

  30. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    When you have to resort to extremes like those complete leaps in logic, I think it’s safe to say that your argument is weak.

  31. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    So Joba is done as a Yankee? very sad story

  32. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Also, we’re only looking out for the athletes themselves. Their bodies are their livelihoods and yes, when you decide to pursue a life in sports, you are making lifestyle choices. There are certain things you have to give up in order to maximize your assets. I love jumping on trampolines, but the risk of damaging ligaments, etc.., nevermind what happened to Joba, is too great. Even if Joba hadn’t been coming off surgery, I would have thought this was ill-advised. I’m sorry he’s paying a very heavy price for it, of course.

  33. Villa Nova-Ya March 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    pat M -

    I can’t even go there yet…I mean, non-roster invitee…such an awful accident for him.

  34. yanks61 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    yanks61 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    We don’t need recent comps, because the idea is that only fanboys will make such heady comps before a player has done anything, but scouts/execs/whomever are just as guilty of it.

    ————————————————————————-

    Just checking in briefly and then gotta run.

    Agreed, JF. Which has been the case with countless evalutions gone wrong. Among the most egregious still being scouts, journalists and management practically awarding Clint Hartung a plaque in the HOF before he ever played in a ML game:

    “The very mention of Hurdle’s name causes heads to bow and heartbeats to quicken. General Manager Joe Burke calls him “one of the top prospects I’ve seen in the 17 years I’ve been in the major leagues.” John Schuerholz, the director of scouting and player development, says, “I bubble inside when I think about his potential.”

    And if THOSE guys can get it so wrong, it says a lot about what to think of Lohud posters predictions. There ain’t no show thing as a SURE thing – regardless of who is doing the looking at crystal balls.

  35. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    DaSaint,

    do you think someone should be more careful when they are still in recovery and not yet healed from a serious injury and surgery?

    Regardless, it’s sad and we can all agree that we hope Joba is alright.
    ———————–
    Careful one way, and accidents can still happen another way. Could have lifted his son and strained a muscle.

    Still sad, and yes, we all hope he recovers, at least with the ability to have full range of motion. Baseball comes next.

  36. Against All Odds March 23rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    .What were you thinking Joba

    ——————

    Probably wasn’t thinking he would get injured. I doubt this is his first time on a trampoline.

  37. mick March 23rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    sanctimonius self righteous crap is all i have to say and oh yeah…
    if the shoe fits…

  38. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Pat M,

    Do you think the injury is that bad that he has no chance to play in the near future? like 2013 or 14

  39. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Betsy, I hear your argument, and it may be a good on.

    But respectully disagree, that’s all. :-)

  40. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Da Saint, how are you doing?

    Of course you have an opinion and you’re entitled, but the problem is saying that everyone else who thinks Joba made an ill-advised decision lacks compassion or something to that effect.

  41. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    DaSaint,

    I agree. Accidents can happen and this accident had nothing to do with his elbow (that we know of.)

    It’s easy to say he shouldn’t have been doing this, especially while in recovery from TJ surgery, but what’s done is done.

    I didn’t fault Aaron Boone for getting hurt playing basketball… but this does seem like something that could have been avoided (he’s still in recovery, trampolines can be dangerous.)

    Just sucks.

  42. tomingeorgia March 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    I once threw out my back throwing my daughters up in the air in a swimming pool. I was getting tired, and they said, “Once more, Daddy!” I wasn’t going to disappoint them. By the way, I’m as healthy as a ox, just skinnier.

  43. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    “I didn’t fault Aaron Boone for getting hurt playing basketball… ”

    ——

    well, in general I wouldn’t fault someone for playing basketball – but I believe Boone had something that prohibited him from playing in his contract (which is different)

  44. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    try taking your kid to an amusement park and then telling him you can’t take that ride or play in that thing because daddy can’t take the risk…

  45. Bronx Jeers March 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    It wasn’t a trampoline per se. It was at an indoor trampoline arena. Probably safer than a trampoline that you’d put in your back yard but if you watch the video you can see how somebody coud easily hurt themselves by trying to do too much.

    Check out the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ata_player

  46. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    anybody wanna take a guess on how many other yankees players took thier kids onto that same trampoline?

  47. m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Unfortunately for Joba, this priceless one came at a steep price.

    All most of us were saying today is that he should exercised better judgement.

    But yeah, it probably doesn’t happen the other 999,999 times. Flukey and freaky.

  48. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    tomingeorgia,

    would you have been throwing your daughters if you were recovering from a severe injury to your elbow and your job / supporting your family was riding on your ability to recover from that injury and perform a physical task?

  49. mick March 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    you can be cautious, esp when youre thisclose to recovery

  50. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    Da Saint, how are you doing?

    Of course you have an opinion and you’re entitled, but the problem is saying that everyone else who thinks Joba made an ill-advised decision lacks compassion or something to that effect.
    ————————————-
    Hey Betsy, not to belabor the point, but saying jumping on a trampoline while playing with your son is ill-advised is an opinion as well, clearly not held by everybody.

    So, I’ll concede that opinions are being made and shared all around.

  51. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Bronx,

    that looks like fun :)

  52. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    After watching Bronx’s video – it seems even more clear that because Joba was still recovering from TJ surgery, he probably shouldn’t have been flipping around in the air.

    I dunno… I’m done with it. Just hope he’s ok and recovers at some point. Sad.

  53. Against All Odds March 23rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    try taking your kid to an amusement park and thentelling him you can’t take that ride or play in that thing because daddy can’t take the risk…

    ——————–

    You might as well go home

  54. tomingeorgia March 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    BD,
    I was planting trees with a pick and shovel then. There is no “disabled list” in a nursery. What if any father gets hurt playing in the pool with his children? Is that “stupid”?

  55. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    “try taking your kid to an amusement park and thentelling him you can’t take that ride or play in that thing because daddy can’t take the risk…”

    ———-

    I’m pretty sure the point being made is that daddy should have taken him to a different kind of amusement park.

  56. m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Y’s Guy,

    I thought about that earlier. I decided that Alex, Tex, Jeter, no one else really would have gotten on there in ST. Granted he’s not pitching this spring, but he was on the way back.

    I think some people are just more cautious than others. Because plenty could go wrong if you put forethought into it.

  57. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Then how on earth as an athlete do you even justify to a child that you’re spending months away from home? You can’t say “daddy can’t do this” about a trampoline, but you can say “daddy is going to spend a lot of time away from home”? Go figure.

  58. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    tomingeorgia,

    huh?

    not sure you answered my question but that’s ok.

  59. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    And I’m fine Betsy, just busy as heck, plus having a blast with my 17 month old. Got to make sure he doesn’t do anything like hit me in the fingers with his blocks or toys. Don’t want to end my career!

    Hope all is well too.

  60. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Going on a trampoline just involves more risk than some other activities, so if any athlete does that, he simply has to be aware of what he’s risking. If he’s ok with that, then sure – go ahead and do it.

  61. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    DaSaint, or your blogging career, lol..

  62. tomingeorgia March 23rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    BD,
    If I was recovering from something, I STILL would have thrown those girls in the air

  63. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    “What if any father gets hurt playing in the pool with his children? Is that “stupid”?”

    ———–

    if you’re recovering from a serious injury – if you make a very good living as a professional athlete – then yeah, probably “questionable” (I never said stupid) to undertake an activity that has a fairly high chance (relative to other activities) of injury.

    I think m said it well. It’s a flukey freak accident that couldn’t have been predicted, but it could have been avoided if he had decided to do a different activity with his son.

  64. DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    Blogging is a career? LOL! Picture that!
    This is thankfully just a distraction from the everyday realities and deamands of the real world, with the opportunity to connect, discuss and disagree with random nice folks for the most part. Have loved every agreeable and occassionaly disagreeable moment of it.

    Except when boston trolls pop up.

  65. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    I wonder if Jerkface would agree that Kate Upton has generational skills ??? Maybe Bond Girl skills……Luis, if the reports are close to being true that Joba will not be allowed to put weight on that leg for 4 months, then it could be 2 years at least before he surfaces again as a pitcher…..Morales is just coming back now for The Angels and his injury doesn’t appear to be as severe……..It’s a terribly sad situation

  66. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    tomingeorgia,

    if you made a very good living off of your arm, and your arm had been severely injured and was in recovery, then I’d say it is indeed stupid if you decided to throw your daughters in the air before it had healed.

    I’ve played through terrible injuries, broken back, torn ligaments, numerous broken bones etc etc. I have a severely sprained thumb right now and it didn’t stop me from playing with a 2 year old earlier this week or a couple kids last weekend…

    … but I don’t make a living off of my physical well being. If I did, I’d exercise a little more judgment.

  67. Betsy March 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Well, for some people it is depending on how often they post, lol.

    Don’t even mention trolls, lol.

  68. kd March 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    pat m,

    have you heard anything about depaula?

  69. tomingeorgia March 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    BD,
    I DID live off my physical abilities (got to admit I was good at selling bushes, though), but I still did it. Was that stupid? Hell, no.

  70. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    “BD,
    I DID live off my physical abilities (got to admit I was good at selling bushes, though), but I still did it. Was that stupid? Hell, no.”

    ———–

    tomingeorgia,

    I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference between selling bushes and playing professional baseball.

    And regardless, your injury was still less likely, I’d think, than had you been flipping around in the air on a trampoline.

  71. Bronx Jeers March 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    David Waldstein @ The Times says Freddy would probably ok a trade if it put him in a rotation which is what I’m sure many of us suspected already.

    Ballplayers need to work if they want to continue to be ballplayers.

  72. m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Freddy in a Cardinal uni? More palatable than Hughes or Nova in one.

  73. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    m,

    certainly possible.

    I wonder if they’d rather have Freddy for $4M and maybe have to give up a prospect or

    Roy Oswalt for around $6M

    Maybe if the Yanks throw in even a couple mil, they could get something decent in return. Who knows…

  74. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    kd……Only that he’s suppose to have great talent

  75. kd March 23rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    ridiculous trade suggestion #1- garcia and swisher or gardner for matt holiday

  76. kd March 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    thanks pat m

  77. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Freddy in a Cardinal uni? More palatable than Hughes or Nova in one.

    =========================================

    I hope they don’t do it before Andy is ready. I don’t like to see either Nova or Hughes as the long man. I rather see Garcia on that role.

    Pat M, thanks for your input, very sad situation indeed.

  78. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Kd,

    We can’t afford Holliday if we are going to go below the 189 mark.

  79. m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Freddie. He doesn’t have back issues and is a turnkey pitcher ready to right now. And he’s an AL pitcher, which we all know is the best kind. ;)

  80. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    kd,

    you got that right :)

    Cardinals have (I believe) around 5-6 top 100 prospects. If they could get even a top 7-8 Cardinals prospect, it wouldn’t be terrible.

  81. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Cardinals aren’t trading Holliday. After losing Pujols, there’s just no chance (IMO)

    I’m not sure the Yanks could even offer a realistic package to get him.

  82. Nick in SF March 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Doesn’t Freddy have contract incentives based on how many games he starts?

  83. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Cardinals have two ‘elite’ pitching prospects they could turn to.

    If not, I think if I’m the GM I just sign Oswalt for $6M.

    But if they could get Freddy as a salary dump, that’s a good idea too.

    I just don’t see any reason for the Cards to panic given their farm system.

  84. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    * I guess ideally the Cards would prefer their pitching prospects stay in the minors this season

  85. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    but Joba had to be bouncing pretty hard to sustain such a severe injury…..I’ll bet his son wasn’t on the trampoline at the time ……Such tremendous force to cause a compound fracture

    Naw, he had a dislocated ankle, and if kendry morales can break his bone jumping on home plate, joba could do it without having to max out a trampoline. You can mess up the ankle doing lots of mundane stuff, its a delicate joint.

  86. m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Trade Freddy. Take one of the AAA pitchers as your long/swing guy.

    When Andy is ready, tough decisions will have to be made. Nova is looking better, Hughes has looked good, and Pineda’s velocity is ticking upwards.

  87. Bronx Jeers March 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Doesn’t Freddy have contract incentives based on how many games he starts?

    ——
    Yes.

    They kick in on his 25th start. He an make an extra 1.6MM if he gets to 32 starts.

  88. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    JF,

    isn’t it an “open dislocation” (broke through the skin) ?

    sounds like it’s more difficult to do that than a traditional sprain or tear…. but I don’t know the details so…

  89. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Try for this RHRP on the Cards for Freddy Garcia

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....do-sanchez

  90. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    isn’t it an “open dislocation” (broke through the skin) ?

    It is, but thats different than a compound fracture. He may have a broken bone though, I guess they are doing more tests?

  91. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Trade Freddy. Take one of the AAA pitchers as your long/swing guy.

    When Andy is ready, tough decisions will have to be made. Nova is looking better, Hughes has looked good, and Pineda’s velocity is ticking upwards.

    =================================

    Who would you put as the long man? Warren,Phelps or DJ Mitchell….If they trade Garcia right away ( something i wouldn’t do), i would take Mitchell, because of the three he has the lower ceiling IMO.

  92. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    I still don’t see St Louis trading anything too significant and paying $4M for Garcia if they can sign Oswalt for $6M.

    I’d have thought losing Pujols freed up some salary and left them with a little spending money (Oswalt) but I haven’t checked the #s.

  93. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    BD,

    Maybe they figure Oswalt is wasted money because of his health questions?

  94. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Mitchell because he is on the 40 man

  95. m March 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    The 2nd or 3rd best of the bunch. You want the other(s) ready to step into the rotation if necessary.

  96. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Bret,

    definitely possible.

    Oswalt looked really good, IIRC, at the end of last season… but it’s certainly a risk.

  97. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Mitchell because he is on the 40 man

    =====================

    Isn’t Phelps on the 40 man roster too?

  98. Nick in SF March 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    “They kick in on his 25th start. He an make an extra 1.6MM if he gets to 32 starts.”

    So as much as Freddy might want to hang around and do whatever it takes to get a ring… he has some good reasons to just go someplace else and start. Too bad. I like Freddy.

  99. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    BD ( Boston Dave ) Joba’s injury is a most severe type of break…skiers are very prone to this type of injury, even ice skaters…….It takes a blunt like trauma to have such an impact……Doc Joe is an ER Doc so I’m certain he could shed a sunrise worth of light on this…..Bottom line is it’s career threatening

  100. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    as of right now, Lance Lynn is replacing Carpenter in the rotation.

    Wainright
    Garcia
    Lohse
    Westbrook
    Lynn

    Lance Lynn, a 24-year-old right-hander enjoying a terrific spring (11.0 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 Ks)

    “The Cardinals’ minor league pitcher of the year for 2009, righthander Michael (Lance) Lynn is a 6-6, 260lb monster out of U Mississippi who frustrates opposing hitters with a hard sinker mixed with an effective change and curve. More of a smart, pitchability type than a power pitcher, Lynn exhibits plus command of all his pitches and has shown a knack for keeping hitters off balance.”

  101. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Went to Yankees.com, and neither Mitchell or Phelps are in the active roster. Must an outdated one, because there is a brad Meyers in it.

  102. LockDown March 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    “I want to pitch, man,” he said. “Be it here or somewhere. I hope it’s here.”

    Garcia stressed that he had not asked for a trade and had no immediate plans to do so. But if the Yankees come to him with a proposal, he said, he is certainly willing to think it over.

    “I am always open,” he said. “I’d like to listen to what they say. But it’s not up to me. I have to wait until next week and see what they want to do. I cannot start talking about it if nothing has happened yet.”
    .
    .
    .

    Not sure why he would have to wait till next week, unless that’s in his contract. In the meantime, I’d be surprised if Oswalt’s agent isn’t already looking to call the Cards quickly.

    I think Garcia could get traded, but someplace else.

  103. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    luis,

    they aren’t on the active but they’re on the 40 man, right?

  104. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Pat M,

    just awful. As long as it’s not for the Sawx, I really hope Joba gets a chance to pitch again – obviously for the Yanks but even if it’s somewhere else.

  105. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    That ankle injury sounds gruesome. About as bad as a young Yankee 1st base farm hand had back in the ’90s. Brian Buchanan was playing 1st and the runner stepped on the back of his foot around the heel area. The results was a torn achilles tendon, broken ankle and most every tendon and ligament his foot as well as crushed and torn vessels. It was so bad that the foot was turned in such a way that it cut off blood supply and for the first few days, the thought wa that they may have to amputate he survived that but was not the player he was been. He was part of the Knoblauch trade and ended up marrying John Havlicek’s daughter.

  106. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Freddy Garcia is probably going to end up being a mere salary-dump. They might get a near ML-ready reliever similar to the AA arm they picked up in the AJ Burnett trade.

  107. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    luis,

    they aren’t on the active but they’re on the 40 man, right?

    ========================

    I don’t know, i just went to the site and clicked the 40 man active roster and they are not there. Must be an outdated roster, because Joba appears in it even though he should be on the 60 day DL.

  108. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    40 man

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

  109. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Joba isn’t on the DL yet

    but that will be coming

  110. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    My bad,

    They are in the 40 man roster. I guess i clicked the wrong link.

  111. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    “Freddy Garcia is probably going to end up being a mere salary-dump.”

    ————-

    Good possibility.

    But if that’s the case, I’d hope they could somehow find a way to keep him and use him.

    Trade deadline – a capable starter can actually bring back a real prospect.

  112. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Phelps is on it but I want him to get spot starts

  113. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    BD,

    I’d rather see Mitchell get those long-man innings and I’d rather see Freddy Garcia get a legit shot at his performance bonuses in the NL. The 4 million could be used to angle at a bat at the deadline and allows the Yankees to add salary this year.

  114. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Phelps is on it but I want him to get spot starts

    =======================

    Me too, but since i asked which one of the three, i wanted to know why. Thank you.

  115. PacoDooley March 23rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    So glad to see Maxwell continuing to hit – make the decision to carry Ibanez as hard as you can! Ibanez has an OPS of .184 (OBP of .103). 37 ABs for Ibanez is starting to represent a decent number – with 2 hits and 8 SOs. For goodness sake, Mason Williams has as many hits as Ibanez in 35 fewer ABs!

  116. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    On another order of ideas.Warren was very impressive last night. He fared very well against Boston’s line up.

  117. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Dr. joe earlier asked why I would send Phelps to KC and not Nova or one of the others. Trying to look at both sides of the trade, NYY has a ton of young pitching right now and many are close in type of pitches and skill levels. Nova is the most advanced of the group. Not very much of a difference between Phelps and Warren, but, Phelps is a St. Louis kid and that might appeal to the Cards. That may be a selling point in a deal. It’s to the point now that NYYs need to start moving some of this excess. Might not be the best description but, so many are at the same level of development and talent level, it’s move ‘em or lose ‘em at the end of the season.

    Any trade should involve more players. who and what teams give up being the difference, I’d try to include either Whelan or kontos. what NY might get back is another story. They aren’t getting Freese. Craig might be ok if he were healthy, but, he’s still trying to rehab. Jay? I doubt that’s the sort of bat NYYs are looking for. They have that in Gardner. I really haven’t looked at their farm close enough to know if there’s anything of use to NY.

  118. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Dr. joe earlier asked why I would send Phelps to KC

    actually, it was st. Louis and not KC

  119. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    As poor as Pittsburgh’s starting rotation is, I’d give them a call.

    they have a pretty good system with some bats.

    Erik Bedard is their opening day starter? I think I’d rather have Warren or Phelps starting that game.

    They might not want a 1yr fill in like Garcia as much as they’d want a young arm… but I could see them taking Garcia and a Phelps/Warren for something pretty good.

    maybe?

  120. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    These are the teams needing pitching

    Cards
    Cubs
    Twins
    Astros
    Indians
    Marlins
    Cinncy
    Pirates
    White Sox
    Rockies
    Diamondbacks

    Teams you won’t deal with

    AL East
    Detroit
    Rangers
    Angels
    Giants
    Phillies

    The rest don’t really need more pitching

  121. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    GB….I remember Buchanan’s injury and it was indeed real ugly…….I broke my ankle on a play at first base as I tried to avoid hitting the pitcher who was covering the bag and we bumped just enough to throw me off stride and hit the corner of the bag and snap went the bone……It was a stupid ass semi-pro league, February 1977….It was never the same and still isn’t…..Didn’t know he married Havlicek’s daughter…..

  122. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I need opinions on over / under teams wins…..Just asking for 5 clubs…..

  123. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    I need opinions on over / under teams wins…..Just asking for 5 clubs…..

    Whats the ou?

  124. Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    would ivan nova, someone who’s proven he can get major league batters out, and who is inexpensive, be enough of a carrot for the pirates to trade garret jones for?

  125. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Vegas Watch has the updated lines……

  126. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Pat M,

    I already put some loot on Detroit (even at 94) in that weak division

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 23rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Just coming in after a very long day and am catching up on the posts. I am so incredibly sad for Joba.

    Let me tell you where I come from this when it comes to Joba. Do I feel that he used pretty poor judgment? Absolutely. And there doesn’t look to be a lot of weight-give to those trampolines so even moreso with someone of his weight coming down on his ankle. And then there’s risk of injury to his arm.

    Having said that, I look at the way Joba came up and believe that he was robbed of so many things that help kids to become well-rounded adults. I’m not saying that everyone in his situation goes bad or has poor judgment, just that there’s a greater propensity than for most kids who have a basic middle-class upbringing. He grew up on an Indian reservation. It is not just anecdotal that drinking on Indian reservations is a huge social problem. He had an extremely giving and loving dad who was there for him every step of the way. But nonethless, the man was in a wheelchair and needed constant care himself. His mother abandoned the family so there was no nurturing female presence to help either the kids or the dad. Joba was blessed with athletic ability and that’s what helped him to get where he did. But he still didn’t appear to have the tools to help him keep him grounded or to deal with the celebrity. So I see him as a big kid who was socially stunted a long time ago. I think he was ill prepared to deal with his celebrity, but nevertheless eager to please. I think he has exercised poor judgment at times but I think that’s a function of immaturity that is part of coming up the way he did. I see him as a victim of his circumstances, in every way.

    I wish someone had recognized more about him than his athletic ability and took him under their wing. I could be wrong but I don’t think that happened. Or if it did, I don’t think it happened in the way he really needed it to happen.

    I think he means so well but at the same time doesn’t really have the tools (intellect?) to make continual sound decisions.

    I hurt for him. I pray that he’s okay. I broke both bones in the bottom of my left leg years ago (totally clean breaks) and ended up in a cast for almost a year. I was a runner before that and it ended my running. I can’t imagine what this type of injury might do to his baseball career. It’s just a very sad moment. I just feelprofound sadness for him.

  128. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    I also have Texas over 91 for a bit

  129. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    (but Feliz, if hurt, wouldn’t help that one)

  130. Bret The Hitman March 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    I’d trade Ivan Nova for Andrew McCutchen but the Pirates wouldn’t.

  131. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    sorry, I got Detroit at 92.5

  132. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Joe, probably overpay by NYYs.

  133. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Mets under 72.5 doesn’t seem too bad (NL East looks TOUGH this season)

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    DaSaint007 March 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    Maybe David Robertson shouldn’t have rented a house with steps? Was he an idiot too? You know, athlete and all.

    Maybe pitchers should have their food cut for them too, in case a knife slips and he cuts his pitching hand.

    Maybe they need to make sure they have non slip surfaces in their shower. Don’t want to slip you know.

    Maybe they should have drivers, reinforced cars, servants, chefs, assistants, so thay can’t possibly do any activity other than hit, pitch and run.

    And maybe a surrogate at home. Don’t want to pull a muscle with the misses…not before game day.
    ///

    DeSaint, I am also disgusted by some of the comments in here today.

    The worst were the first few posts about it; none of them showing any concern for his well being

    or expressing compassion, just leaping to judgment and the typical phony moral upbraiding on

    something they have little information about.

    It’s one thing to observe he might have used better judgment (and I would say even that is

    presumptuous at this point) while also expressing concern for him and sadness about the

    situation.

    It’s the utter lack of compassion and even snarky comments that, I find, say so little about

    Chamberlain, but so very much about the reptiles who made them.

  135. Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    gb – you’re right about the overpay. make the pirates throw in alvarez, and we’ll add in freddy. that’s a significant uprgrade for their rotation, and nova is a keeper for the long haul; if they want, they could look to deal freddy close to the deadline to one of the many contenders for a playoff spot. it would be a seller’s market, after all.

    there might be a deal that makes more sense, from the other team’s point of view. i don’t know. but, you can see that the yanks have the chips, so to speak.

  136. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    over: Detroit (92), Texas (91.5)

    under: Mets (72.5), Padres (73.5), Red Sox (90)

  137. LockDown March 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Stat’s irate. :)

  138. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Tricia….That was the best contribution of the day in my opinion on the Joba situation…..By far…..Jap, not so good

  139. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    “they could look to deal freddy close to the deadline to one of the many contenders for a playoff spot. it would be a seller’s market, after all.”

    ————–

    Added wildcard = more contenders = demand at deadline > supply

    the Yanks extra pitching is kinda a big deal if they can manage it properly

  140. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    would ivan nova, someone who’s proven he can get major league batters out, and who is inexpensive, be enough of a carrot for the pirates to trade garret jones for?

    ==============================

    Joe,

    I think that it would be a gross overpayment for him. He has already three years of service, meaning that he has three more years of team control. He is 31 years old, he is pretty much what he is, a OPS of 772, OBP of 323, SLG 450. I think Nova has more value than that. Add to that that he has generated only 1,1 WAR in his 4 years, because he is not much of a fielder.

  141. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Every time i see RA Dickey do a commercial or watch him pitch, i’m somewhat in awe of what he’s accomplished as a pitcher and being more than a minor miracle, born without a UCL in his pitching arm and how he ever pitched well enough in college with standard pitches to rate a $750, 000 bonus to sign. Maybe not Jim Abbott miracle but, pretty damned close.

  142. rm March 23rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Very sad about Joba. It is like he has been cursed ever since the midges in Cleveland.

  143. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    I wouldn’t even consider trading Nova for Garret Jones right now.

    not even consider

    don’t let the Pirates reluctance to include him for AJ Burnett overvalue the guy.

  144. Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    nova plus for andre ethier? the only catch might be fitting his salary into the budget restrictions.

  145. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Would not trade Nova for Jones. Nova should be worth more.

    over under:

    Tampa Over
    Yankees Over
    Washington Over
    Philla Under
    Arizona over

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    Tricia….That was the best contribution of the day in my opinion on the Joba situation…..By far…..Jap, not so good
    ////

    Yea I get that you’ve never liked Chamberlain, you’ve made that abundantly clear.

  147. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    BD ( Boston Dave ) Rangers are at 94 ….Boston is at 87.5…..Go to Vegas watch baseball over / unders wins for 2012….I have to spread out $ 2,000.00 dollars on every team with a minimum of 40.00….So I usually place 40 on 25 teams and pick out the best remaining 5 to invest the rest……Last year I loaded up on 7 teams….I like The Washington Senators / Nationals to win more than 81

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Pat M, thank you. Every time I think about Joba it makes me feel like crying. He missed out on so much in life. It makes me very sad for him.

  149. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
    gb – you’re right about the overpay. make the pirates throw in alvarez, and we’ll add in freddy. that’s a significant uprgrade for their rotation, and nova is a keeper for the long haul; if they want, they could look to deal freddy close to the deadline to one of the many contenders for a playoff spot. it would be a seller’s market, after all.

    there might be a deal that makes more sense, from the other team’s point of view. i don’t know. but, you can see that the yanks have the chips, so to speak.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I’d like to take a real close look at their farm system for someone to go with jones. Never that impressed with Alvarez. Seems to have regressed last year and not a good defense 3rd baseman

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Joba Chamberlain had a tool for a pitching coach. That mediocre mind decided he was a reliever, and

    the Yankees agreed with him. Eiland did not want Chamberlain anywhere near Scott Aldred, by the

    way.

  151. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    what do you mean “have to” for $2,000?

    I’m guessing it’s not real money then?

    feeling better about my Detroit pick if it’s 94 somewhere else.

    vegaswatch.net isn’t loading for me

  152. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Pat M

    Yankees over
    Phillies under
    Washington over
    Texas under
    Seattle over

  153. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    under: mets, phillies

    over: rays, nats, angels

  154. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Jap…..You could not be more incorrect….As a human being, as a Yankee fan, and a former ballplayer I feel so sad today when I heard about his injury….I always felt and posted here as far back as 2007 that I thought Joba could have been the next great closer……But to quote Robert De Niro in ” A Bronx Tale” , there is nothing sadder than to waste talent, and I think until his TJ surgery that is what Joba had done……..

  155. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    pat m im big on the nats myself, especially with the phils 2 best hitters out for who knows how long.

  156. Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    gb – well, you would know. like i said, i’m just trying to think. they’re going to have to make at least one deal.

    fwiw – when i saw cash last week, he was in deep discussion with someone at the ballpark, a scout/exec from another team, i think. and the other day, on the tv broadcast, he was seated right in the middle of the section where all the scouts (with their radar guns) were sitting; i think warren was pitching against the sox. we can only guess wildly what he was talking about with them.

  157. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    With that rotation adding CJ Wilson, adding Pujols, Morales back, Mike Trout…

    Angels sure look like a 90 win team to me.

  158. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    BD ( Boston Dave ) It’s real dough ……..The pool this year is 25 guys betting vs. one guy who is the bank / house…….I made a few bucks last year on the very last night of the season…..The year before I only lost on 8 or 9 teams and hit all the big one, including the SF Giants…….Face, Luis thank you and keep them coming guys…..

  159. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    great to see kendrys morales got in a game yesterday for the first time since may ’10.

  160. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    BD…Angels have pen issues but they can win 95 , Texas is overated at 94 I think……I can send in my selections at anytime, but once I do they’re locked in so if the line changes due to an injury I stuck…..I always try to hold out until the deadline……Marlins & the Twins hurt me big last year…..

  161. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Pat M,

    sounds good.

    still curious what the advantage is for you to bet vs the bank instead of just using an online sportsbook? no juice?

    (since you’d have no restrictions/requirements)

  162. mick March 23rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    trish…well said…i agree with Pat M that there is nothing worse than wasting talent, very frustrating.

  163. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    marlins are a total puzzle this year. could be a playoff team or a complete train wreck. it’ll be fun to watch, though.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    Jap…..You could not be more incorrect….As a human being, as a Yankee fan, and a former ballplayer I feel so sad today when I heard about his injury….I always felt and posted here as far back as 2007 that I thought Joba could have been the next great closer……But to quote Robert De Niro in ” A Bronx Tale” , there is nothing sadder than to waste talent, and I think until his TJ surgery that is what Joba had done……..
    ///

    You’re the one who tried to discredit my support of DeSaint in his disgust with posters who showed no compassion for his situation. So telling me about your having sad feelings on Chamberlain, having criticized mine, is off the rails.

    What you think of his talents, and that he “wasted” them – I disagree with both your points: that he should have been in relief and that he “wasted” his talent. But discussing that wasn’t my interest in backing up DeSaint’s original point.

  165. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Pat M,

    I’m a big fan of Scott Downs and Walden showed promise last year. Guys like Jepsen aren’t too bad either.

    I think the Angels vs Rangers race will be a good one.

    I think 94 is high for Texas…. especially compared to 89.5 for LA.

    I think Detroit is gonna kill it this season. I’d have liked them (full season with Fister and Delmon Young, obviously huge addition with Prince, Jacob Turner at some point)

    losing VMart hurts but in that division I think they’re gonna explode. We’ll see… (over 92 was my biggest bet)

  166. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    “marlins are a total puzzle this year. could be a playoff team or a complete train wreck.”

    ————

    Phillies, Braves, Nats, Marlins

    that is some division (curious how Braves respond to last season’s awful collapse – but if Tommy Hanson is healthy it’ll be a huge help – Teheran could help too)

    I think the Marlins would have a shot in any other NL division…

  167. Nick in SF March 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    “…Boston is at 87.5…”

    That’s odd, they’re are 90.5 at my book. I like the under. :grin:

  168. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    I’m out – good luck on the picks Pat M

    though yes, best to wait a bit to make the picks

  169. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Nick,

    I have them at 90 – under as well.

    I wouldn’t touch 87.5 though.

  170. Nick in SF March 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    90.5 at pinny as well. I’d be wary of that 87.5 number.

  171. Bronx Jeers March 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Pat M & JAP

    I think you guys are having a little miscommunication. Maybe I’m wrong but it appears you’re both on the same side.

  172. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    nova plus for andre ethier? the only catch might be fitting his salary into the budget restrictions.

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    This is a better deal. But as you say, might be too expensive. Still i wouldn’t trade Nova, not this year anyhow.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    Pat M & JAP

    I think you guys are having a little miscommunication. Maybe I’m wrong but it appears you’re both on the same side.
    ///

    Pat M took a swipe at my support of DeSaint, who got lambasted for expressing outrage over

    some of the posts earlier today on Chamberlain’s injury, an outrage I share.

    Some of the first few posts were especially offensive; mean spirited, even. So if he’s critcizing my

    appreciation for DeSaint’s having expressed his disgust for such comments, he is not on the same

    page as me.

    (But I appreciate your good intentions).

  174. Jerkface March 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    I’d want more than Ethier too :< He is gonna be a FA and is expensive. Nova should return atleast a quality guy with a few years left

  175. J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    By the way Jeers,

    I did not want to pile on at the time (because I already had made my feelings known and you didn’t need any backup), but your 11:19 will go down as immortal in my book.

  176. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    did someone suggest nova for ethier?

    i say nix.

  177. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    carpenter out indefinitely. they get wainwright back and lose carpenter.

    they did ok last year without their ace, but they had pujols last year. dont think carlos beltran can put them on thier back and take them to the WS.

  178. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    i try to pay some attention to the dodgers but it’s hard not to fall asleep watching them and im not referring to the time difference.

    but a question for anyone who knows what’s going on in socal…why does ethier miss so many games? he’s 30 but aside from his stellar 2009 campaign, he’s averaged only 139 games per year. is he injury prone or did torre sit him alot?

  179. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    We should only feel sorry for Joba. His career might be over.He could be maimed for life as well. Regardless of the reasons or what originated the accident. He was a good kid, with tons of talent…I just pray that he recovers, learns from this experience and fullfills his promise either with the Yankees or with some other team that might give the opportunity to play.

  180. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Carpenter out for at least 2 months and Ryan Madson goes back to Cinncy for elbow examination

  181. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    keithlaw ? @keithlaw

    RT @Snevets_Yaj: @keithlaw Who has the better season, Phil Hughes or Brian Matusz?

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    And some think he can evalute talent.

  182. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    keithlaw ? @keithlaw

    RT @Snevets_Yaj: @keithlaw Who has the better season, Phil Hughes or Brian Matusz?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    And some think he can evalute talent.

    ===================================

    Just by considering it, he shows that he is as dumb as you can find them

  183. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    joba’s a big fun-loving guy. seems like he must be a great dad. maybe he doesn’t always show the best judgement, but who does at that age, i know i didn’t.

    this was just a tragic accident. avoidable, yes but still an accident.

    im rooting more for joba now than i ever have before.

  184. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    im willing to concede that we haven’t seen the best of brian matusz to this point in his mlb career, but its just not fair to phil to suggest that matusz, who hasnt done squat to this point, is on par with hughes.

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