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Girardi: “Fathers are fathers”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 23, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said things were emotional at St. Joseph’s Hospital this morning. He could “see the disappointment” in Joba Chamberlain, and Girardi himself called it a “crushing” situation. Chamberlain’s return from Tommy John surgery had progressed to the point he was almost ready to face hitters. And then this.

But if you take the emotion out of it, shouldn’t Chamberlain have known better than to get on a trampoline in the first place?

“I don’t want to get into that now,” Girardi said. “What I want to talk about is getting him better and being there for this kid. He’s going through a lot. This is very difficult what he’s going through.”

Obviously Chamberlain made a mistake yesterday. Logically, any one of us can take a step back and say that a professional athlete should know better than to go bouncing around with a kindergartner. But if Chamberlain’s biggest mistake was wanting to play with his son, then the punishment certainly doesn’t fit the crime.

Girardi himself said that he once missed three weeks as a player because he was flipping his daughter and caused back spasms.

“Fathers are fathers,” Girardi said.

And so, from one father to another, Girardi went into the hospital this morning with no judgment. Chamberlain might have made a mistake yesterday, but it was hard to feel anything but pity for him today.

“I just told him, we’re here for you,” Girardi said. “We’re going to be here for you. We’re going to get you through this, and we’re going to get you back on the mound, but you’re going to go through some time where it’s going to be difficult. You can only look forward. You’ve got to look forward. You can’t (ask), what if? You’ve got to just move forward. Here we go. We’re going to get better, we’re going to get health, and we’re going to be the pitcher we’re meant to be.”

Random thought . . . My sister did a lot of gymnastics when she was young, and we had a trampoline in our backyard. I fell on and off of that thing every which way without seriously hurting myself. The odds of Chamberlain ending up with an injury like this must be astronomical. Might have been a bad decision, but there’s certainly some rotten luck involved here as well.

 
 

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122 Responses to “Girardi: “Fathers are fathers””

  1. Carlos March 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Just sad. I’m praying for big Joba.

  2. m March 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Rotten luck, indeed. What are the odds?

  3. Chase March 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Still haven’t read the gruesome details of this accident, because it pains my heart.

    Wish Joba the best of luck and speediest recovery possible… get well soon!

  4. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    luis March 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    We should only feel sorry for Joba. His career might be over.He could be maimed for life as well. Regardless of the reasons or what originated the accident. He was a good kid, with tons of talent…I just pray that he recovers, learns from this experience and fulfills his promise either with the Yankees or with some other team that might give the opportunity to play.

  5. dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Still haven’t read the gruesome details of this accident

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    You don’t want to.

    Very sad. Kid worked hard to get back and then this. Just a shame.

  6. David in Cal March 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I have nothing but sympathy for Joba. I wish him a speedy recovery and all the best.

  7. RMS March 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Feel bad for Joba. I hope he makes a full recovery and can continue his career.

  8. pat March 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    DRob30

    Visited Joba tonight. He was in good spirits. Such a tough situation but I know he will come back strong. #DownButNotOut

  9. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Carpenter out for at least 2 months and Ryan Madson goes back to Cinncy for elbow examination

  10. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    keithlaw ? @keithlaw

    RT @Snevets_Yaj: @keithlaw Who has the better season, Phil Hughes or Brian Matusz?

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    And some think he can evalute talent.
    Has he bothered to watch Matusz over the last couple of seasons?

  11. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    His answer was Matusz

  12. Bronx Jeers March 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Lovesong,

    I wasn’t sure he was picking up the sarcasm and/or differentiating yours & saint’s posts. I don’t know. Many weren’t here this morning to witness the the ugliness.

    And thanks for the support.

  13. dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Has he bothered to watch Matusz over the last couple of seasons?

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    Aside from a half dozen starts in April/May of 2010, Hughes was no prize either. Both seem to have found lost velocity and both have had tremendous springs. All guess work by Law, but it’s all guess work for everyone else too.

  14. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    I think that i’m going to be sick to my stomach. Jack Curry has gone over to the enemy. Last 15 tweets have been used to slobber all over Springsteen.

  15. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    Has he bothered to watch Matusz over the last couple of seasons?

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    Aside from a half dozen starts in April/May of 2010, Hughes was no prize either. Both seem to have found lost velocity and both have had tremendous springs. All guess work by Law, but it’s all guess work for everyone else too.

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    You didn’t bother to check his 11 starts of game by game posts after the ASB in 2011, did you?

  16. JobaTipsHisCap March 23rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Yankees plan on keeping joba injury free is a total failure.

    Remember the pitch count on him?

  17. blake March 23rd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Get better Joba!

    Matusz has looked really good this spring….his stuff is back and he’s pitching like he did a couple of years ago….so if he keeps that up he’s a pretty darn good pitcher.

  18. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    for a team with such a high profile and a crazed following, we have a great group of players and management, imo. giradi is such a good guy and i really believe it when i read what he said about joba. he really really cares about his guys. cashman similarly was just as upset and understanding. drob went to visit him and im sure a bunch of other guys did too.

    its a family and there is a member of the family who’s hurt. when something like this happens, you don’t ask questions, you don’t point fingers, you just support your brother and hope and pray that he’s gonna be ok and get past this.

    im very proud of our team today.

  19. dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    You didn’t bother to check his 11 starts of game by game posts after the ASB in 2011, did you?

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    He didn’t make 11. He made 10. Averaged less than 6 innings per start and posted a 4.63 ERA.
    Hardly brilliant.

  20. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    blake March 23rd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
    Get better Joba!

    Matusz has looked really good this spring….his stuff is back and he’s pitching like he did a couple of years ago….so if he keeps that up he’s a pretty darn good pitcher.

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    He was a 4.40 ERA pitcher a couple of years ago. Worse than what people are hammering Hughes for 2 years ago.

  21. blake March 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    “He was a 4.40 ERA pitcher a couple of years ago. Worse than what people are hammering Hughes for 2 years ago.”

    what when he was a rookie? I didn’t say he’d be better than Hughes…..just that by most all reports he looks like he’s back to where he was a couple of years ago….which was a good pitcher.

  22. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    You didn’t bother to check his 11 starts of game by game posts after the ASB in 2011, did you?

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    He didn’t make 11. He made 10. Averaged less than 6 innings per start and posted a 4.63 ERA.
    Hardly brilliant.

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    Because of the 2 Oakland games and 1 Boston game. He made 11 starts after coming back. 14 starts on the season (three before be DL’d. Why Oakland gave him problems last year, who knows? They’ve never been able to touch him before. Few if any NY pitchers handled Boston well last year.

  23. dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Because of the 2 Oakland games and 1 Boston game. He made 11 starts after coming back. 14 starts on the season (three before be DL’d. Why Oakland gave him problems last year, who knows? They’ve never been able to touch him before. Few if any NY pitchers handled Boston well last year.

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    You don’t get to pick and choose your games. You are what your numbers say you are. Last year, Hughes was a below average pitcher both before and after the break. He’s obviously capable of being much more than that. So too is Matusz. That’s the point. To call anyone an idiot who’s says one pitcher who’s been lousy is going to be better than another who has also pitched lousy is folly. Of course, Law saying one would be better than the other is folly too.

  24. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    blake March 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
    “He was a 4.40 ERA pitcher a couple of years ago. Worse than what people are hammering Hughes for 2 years ago.”

    what when he was a rookie? I didn’t say he’d be better than Hughes…..just that by most all reports he looks like he’s back to where he was a couple of years ago….which was a good pitcher.

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    hughes had about 30 more innings as a starter as rookies, add 30 innings in the aborted 2nd season and a year as a reliever. They are about 8 months apart in age. Hardly much a difference in starting experience. The fact is, Matusz has not been good. Hughes was better in 2010 than Matusz and 2011 wasn’t close. This ST, yeah, Matusz has been good. hughes better by a pretty considerable amount. Matusz has him in strikeouts and that’s about it.

  25. blake March 23rd, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    GB,

    I’m just talking about potential with Matusz….same as Hughes they both seem to be back on track for now….and they were both once really good prospects.

  26. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    ok so we’re not going to pick and choose our games. and you are what your stats say you are, that’s fair.

    so brian matusz is a really really crappy pitcher.

    his #’s say he’s got a 5.53 era. and more recently, in fact the last season we have to go on, he’s one of the worst pitchers in baseball. he is recently a pitcher with a 10.69 era and a 2.11 whip

    you dont get to compare matusz’s potential to another guy’s actual stats.

    oh yeah, and the last time i looked ST stats don’t count.

  27. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    You don’t get to pick and choose your games. You are what your numbers say you are. Last year, Hughes was a below average pitcher both before and after the break. He’s obviously capable of being much more than that. So too is Matusz. That’s the point. To call anyone an idiot who’s says one pitcher who’s been lousy is going to be better than another who has also pitched lousy is folly. Of course, Law saying one would be better than the other is folly too.

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    Well, my opinion is that Law is an obnoxious jerk and a hack. Hughes, regardless of what you say, had a solid comeback after the ASB. This year, if both are healthy, Hughes will blow Matusz out of the water. again…my opinion.

  28. blake March 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    “he is recently a pitcher with a 10.69 era and a 2.11 whip”

    yea I think he broke Roy Halladay’s record for worst season by a pitcher or something…..which goes to show that a bad year when you’re young doesn’t doom your career.

  29. dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Well, my opinion is that Law is an obnoxious jerk and a hack. Hughes, regardless of what you say, had a solid comeback after the ASB. This year, if both are healthy, Hughes will blow Matusz out of the water. again…my opinion.

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    Good chance that’s the case. Both were similarly regarded as prospects, and Hughes is slightly older with more experience and success. Probably will be better, but far from ridiculous to suggest he won’t be.

  30. dogface March 23rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    you dont get to compare matusz’s potential to another guy’s actual stats.

    ======================================

    You’re actually comparing potential in both cases.

  31. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    hey, im not saying matusz will never be good, but i’m just holding him to the standard that dog said they should be held to

    when brian matusz does ANYTHING that shows he’s better than phil hughes in the regular season, call me.

    until then, its just some blowhard spouting crap.

  32. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    i meant law is just a blowhard spouting crap. matusz is just a young baseball player trying to do his best. i dont hold keith law against brian matusz.

  33. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    As I said, after the ASB, hughes made 11 starts. 3 bad and 7 starts considered quality starts. no more than 2 runs total in those games. no earned runs, runs. In the non-quality start was 5 innings with 2 runs allowed in his 1st start back. I’d settle for those 8 of 11 starts any time by any pitcher.

  34. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    dog, phil is 36-23, 4.46 era, matusz is 16-23, 5.53. those are the facts, not potential involved.

  35. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    For the record, I wasn’t taking a swipe at you Jap at all…….However your retort speaks volumes………I hear about the injury this morning on the train to San Clemente and didn’t make a comment until much later and the news made me sick…..I just hoe he put aside some of the money he made because there’s a good chance his career is over…….

  36. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Matusz obviously has ability and the fact that he’s left handed is great…just doesn’t make him better right now.

  37. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    I actually expect Matusz to have a nice rebound year. He has a ton of talent and has looked pretty good this spring (yes, that only goes so far.)

    I expect both guys to have their best years (Hughes having the obvious advantage in getting more wins.)

  38. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    in fact, to my great regret, i drafted brian matusz last year on 2 of my fbb teams. but i don’t hold that against him. just bad judgement on my part.

    but i am still considering both of them for my draft sunday night.

  39. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    “when brian matusz does ANYTHING that shows he’s better than phil hughes in the regular season, call me.”

    ———–

    in this case, I don’t think it’s an insult to compare the two in some meaningless blog chat (or wherever Law made his prediction). Personally, I expect Hughes to do a little better and I’d think most would feel more comfortable taking Hughes… but it’s not like it’s some ridiculous question IMO.

    Matusz had been a top pitching prospect and Hughes has had his struggles.

  40. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    IMO, Hughes is going to blow out of the water any pitching stats that Matusz is going to achieve this season. Not saying that Matusz is going to be bad, but i think Hughes is going to have a career year. At this point in time K Law is crazy to put on this guys on the same sentence.

  41. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Pat, you would know better than I’, but the left ankle was broken. which ankle takes more stress on a right handed pitcher…the landing foot or the push-off foot? Seems like the landing foot (his left) would by landing in the hole.

  42. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    luis,

    I agree that hughes will have his best season yet… but so will Matusz :)

  43. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    now if Keith Law thought Tillman (another guy Balt had high hopes for) would outpitch Hughes…

  44. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    here’s the thing bd, i think people deserve some amount of respect for what they have accomplished. nothing against matusz, but phil has done better by any measure.

    i feel the same way when people put down the red socks or cardinals or whoever about how and when they won the WS. somebody got ‘lucky’ or somebody ‘didn’t deserve’ their championship.

    a championship, a good season, a win, these are all accomplishemts and they deserve respect.

    if you want respect for what you have accomplished, then respect what others have accomplished.

    when i hear yankees fans try to diminish the red socks WS victories, all i can think is that they are diminishing the yankees WS victories.

    respect if you want respect. thats all.

  45. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    BD,

    Fair enough!!…..Of course, i am a little biased ;)

  46. Cumberland March 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Ny heart goes out to Joe Girardi and his family. My mom just passed in May from Alzheimer’s related causes. I’m a cancer survivor, and watching my mom go though Alzheimer’s was many times worse than anything I dealt with involving my cancer. http://bit.ly/GDYGvu

  47. Pat M. March 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    GB….Landing foot takes the brunt of the load……Neither way it’s not good

  48. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    “nothing against matusz, but phil has done better by any measure.”

    yeah but Phil has pitched in 120 games.

    Matusz has pitched in 52.

    the simple fact that you and I both expect Phil to have his best year this season is the argument against simply using prior stats to grade the two.

    I agree – Phil should have a better year. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Matusz did very well.

  49. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    I don’t like the Hughes / Matusz comparison anyway.

  50. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Thanks, Pat. It’s going to be a tough road back, no doubt. Maybe he can give Hughes his slider and fastball for safe keeping.

  51. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    GB7,

    Both ankles sustain some pressure during the windup. But if you are right handed, the left ankle sustains more, it endures the weight of the whole body the moment the foot lands at the end of the stride, also has to sustain the torsion pressure after the release of the ball.

  52. BD (Boston Dave) March 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    by the way, I think this is a good comment on the situation Chad:

    “Chamberlain might have made a mistake yesterday, but it was hard to feel anything but pity for him today.”

  53. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    BD,

    That’s exactly on point

  54. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    cumberland, my heart goes out to you. my dad passed away last may from alzheimers, too.

    did girardi lose a family member or something? i hadn’t heard.

  55. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    hard to feel anything but, “pity” or disappointment for Chamberlain. A guy that has worked hard to get back ahead of schedule and have it fall apart, just because he enjoys quality time with his son. Probably a bad choice for an activity outing, but, I’m betting this wasn’t the first time they were there. They could have been doing anything and something like that could happen….from cutting your hand buttering a dinner roll to running your boat into a pier or hitting a patch of gravel while riding a bicycle. Just hope there’s no complications and there’s no issues for the boy who goes from fun and joy to horror and shock in 2 seconds.

    On the yankee side it hurts for the future in losing the talent, but, they have the material to replace him.

  56. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Y’s guy,

    My sincere condolences. It must be very hard to see your parent slip away slowly but surely.

  57. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    well put gb.

  58. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    A few weeks ago, there was an article on a technique to stimulate and speed bone regrowth and healing. Can’t find it now, but, here’s an article for experiments done at Stanford. I’ll link the second article next.

    http://news.health.com/2010/04.....es-faster/

  59. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    thanks luis. i used to call the old man from every ballpark i went to. he’d always enjoy it. brought me to my first game way way back at YS. but i was fortunate to spend every day of the last month or so with him. it was tough but i wouldnt trade the moments when he was lucid for anything. many many people have gone through much worse than we did.

  60. luis March 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Good night everyone.

  61. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscie.....d-healing/

  62. Ys Guy March 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    very interesting piece about stimulating bone growth. is that the big challenge with joba? an ankle is such a complicated machine. bones, cartelidge, ligaments all have to work together. we so take for granted how our parts work.

  63. GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Ys, I have no idea about all of the damage done, but, regardless of what they call it, the bone was broken. There was another piece on the same subject, but, now I can’t locate it, dealing with injections and ultrasound.

  64. jacksquat March 24th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    GreenBeret7 March 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    Pat, you would know better than I’, but the left ankle was broken. which ankle takes more stress on a right handed pitcher…the landing foot or the push-off foot? Seems like the landing foot (his left) would by landing in the hole.

    —-

    I was no major leaguer, but I have pitched competetively. Personally, I would much rather the injured foot be my “push off” foot.

  65. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Thanks for the answer, Jack.

  66. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    im watching the giants v the rangers (could be a WS preview) and posey stepped in front of the plate to take a throw from the OF for a play at the plate and tried to swipe tag the guy.

    idk if he was taking it easy b/c they told him not to block the plate for real of if he was just letting the play go by b/c it spring training, but i do know that bochy has told posey to avoid collisions at the plate and blocking the plate and instead step in front, take the throw and swipe a tag at the runner.

    the giants can’t afford a major injury to buster posey andn this is a good strategy.

  67. Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    No – it was not Eiland that frustrated Joba’s development to reach his potential – as certain fan boys continue to adhere to this fantastical tale. The truth – it was FIRST the August 2008 injury and then SECOND these very fan boys themselves who were the most detrimental to Joba – singing his praises, blowing smoke up his ass before we knew what we really had. Joba got too much hype too fast. And the sad thing is these fan boys were going to do the same with Montero – for Montero’s sake – I am glad he does not need to hear the hype from these fan boys anymore – following the game more for his at bats versus whether the team actually wins. Wax your poetics fan boys – the hype for you is reality before reality actually happens. Generational does not happen into their are actual results. . . . .

  68. jacksquat March 24th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    btw, was it reported that there is broken bone? I was hoping it “just” dislocated and maybe messed up some ligaments and cartilage. Torn skin though, damn that must have hurt. I’ve had a bad sprain of an ankle and that hurt enough.

  69. jacksquat March 24th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:14 am
    im watching the giants v the rangers (could be a WS preview) and posey stepped in front of the plate to take a throw from the OF for a play at the plate and tried to swipe tag the guy.

    idk if he was taking it easy b/c they told him not to block the plate for real of if he was just letting the play go by b/c it spring training, but i do know that bochy has told posey to avoid collisions at the plate and blocking the plate and instead step in front, take the throw and swipe a tag at the runner.

    the giants can’t afford a major injury to buster posey andn this is a good strategy.

    Yeah, good to be careful I guess. But it seems like it used to be in the past, if the catcher gave the runner the plate by straddling it, instead of blocking it with his foot, the sportsman thing to do for the runner would be to slide. These days I’m not so sure that would work.

  70. Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    While it is sad what happened to Joba – the moral outrage expressed at some for disgusting comments is just as disgusting – moral outrage – become morally outraged over human rights violations and persecution around the world. It is sad what happened to Joba – but he has the financial ability to weather this storm and great access to healthcare and health insurance.

  71. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    “Wax your poetics fan boys – the hype for you is reality before reality actually happens.”

    this really hurts my brain. good night all

  72. Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:24 am
    “Wax your poetics fan boys – the hype for you is reality before reality actually happens.”

    this really hurts my brain. good night all

    *******

    Ahh but it is true – for the fan boy hype is THEIR reality they have created for themselves before the ACTUAL reality occurs – which they cannot know – b/c the hype is not certain. Ahhhh. . . . .

  73. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    in fact this hurt my brain so much that i decided to see if it would feel better in lithuanian:
    “Vax þínum poetics aðdáandi stráka – efla fyrir þig er raunveruleiki áður en raunveruleiki í raun gerist.”

    …there now i feel better.

    night all…

  74. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    “Ahh but it is true – for the fan boy hype is THEIR reality they have created for themselves before the ACTUAL reality occurs – which they cannot know – b/c the hype is not certain. Ahhhh. . ”

    this part felt better in macedonian:
    “??????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????? – ??????? ?? ??? ? ???????? ???? ????????? ???????? ?? ???????.”

  75. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    macedonian always blows wordpress’s mind…

  76. m March 24th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Once the life threatening part has passed, then you can stop “worrying” about Joba.

    He’s a big boy and has a great support system with the Yankees and his family.

    He’s a fast healer, but the first 3 months will be the toughest IMO.

    It will be sad if he never pitches again, but that’s not a given.

    Best wishes to Joba.

  77. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    m, it was like 75 and sunny today in nj.

    did we beat you guys?

  78. Bronx Jeers March 24th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Don’t read Bill Madden in the Sat. Daily News.

    I’ll sum it up for you here.

    Joba & Brien Taylor….blah, blah, blah….bright lights, big city….cliche, cliche, cliche…..DUI, trampoline, wasted talent….

  79. m March 24th, 2012 at 12:49 am

    76! Off and on sunny. I just got back from a hike. The kids picked some Job’s tears. :cry:

  80. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:52 am

    jeers, i can’t even imagine….

    thanks for warning me off it…

  81. Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    melky just keeps on keepin on. 3 ST homers so far…

    i love melky!

  82. Pat M. March 24th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    m…..I think the key to Joba’s retrun to baseball is if there’s no infection in the damaged bone….However him taking the mound is separated by much uncertainty……Still can’t believe that this has happened to him………

  83. m March 24th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    I would think the question would be if they can reattain the structural integrity of the joint necessary to withstand the pitching motion.

  84. Pat M. March 24th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    m….Sounds like there was an incredible amount of damage to the bones, arteries, tendons & ligaments……..Devastating injury

  85. CompassRosy March 24th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    Yankee fans ~

    I just wanted to pass along my thoughts and prayers re: Joba’s horrible injury.

    When I read about it earlier today, the first thing that flashed through my mind was the Halos’ Morales and the ankle injury he suffered during a celebration at home plate in a walk-off win against (you guessed it) the Mariners back in May of 2010. Both were freak accidents that occurred in what should have otherwise been joyous occasions.

    No doubt Morales’ teammates were devastated and may have blamed themselves for the “excessive” celebration that likely contributed to his injury. And, since it happened during a game, they have all had to re-live it via video over-and-over-and-over again.
    BTW – Morales finally played in his first real game -ST- since the accident, just yesterday.

    Regardless of what one thinks of Joba’s judgement in participating in the “trampoline” activities – he was playing with his child and it seems no one in their wildest nightmare could have imagined something like this. While not captured on TV (to be replayed ad nauseam) the fact that his child was there to witness the injury was probably even more devastating.

    Heal fast and well, Joba!
    As they say ~ what doesn’t kill ya, makes you stronger.

  86. Pat M. March 24th, 2012 at 1:38 am

    Well stated Rosy…….You’re a class act

  87. Jacques Strappe March 24th, 2012 at 2:09 am

    I now expect Kevin Youkilis’s batting average to be 30 points higher than it has ben the last couple years. He knows Joba won’t be pitching so he won’t go to the plate with his tail between his legs all year.

    Just bad luck with this injury. It bites, but he’ll come back if at all possible.

  88. RadioKev March 24th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    The rise and fall of Joba Chamberlain. Kind of a bizarre ride… but baseball is a strange sport.

  89. austinmac March 24th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Joba clearly made an error in judgment, but haven’t we all. No one could imagine such an injury. I suspect Joba was bouncing too high and having a world of fun.

    I feel very sorry for his injury and hope he makes a recovery letting him lead a normal life outside of baseball even if his career is possibly over. Frankly, I will be very surprised if he ever pitches again.

    We still love you Joba. Keep the optimism you have been expressing.

  90. RadioKev March 24th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Remember when we had an awful bullpen? Seems like a distant memory. Even without Joba it should continue to be our greatest strength.

    Who are the new bullpen prospects in our system? Aside from our AAA starters.

  91. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Good morning-

    Bob Klapisch article on Joba last night:

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....038;page=1

    Joba’s life has been one hurdle after another. Hopefully this last one is one that you’ll overcome!

  92. Gary March 24th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Austin, I’d sure say he made a mistake. You know being a father is great, we all have done it, but there are lots of ways to be a father. Going to the park, taking the son to the batting cages, catch a movie ect. I don’t think bouncing on a trapoline after coming off TJ surgery was one of the best decisions on how to play that role.

    Well it’s over for at least a long time, I wish him well in his recovery. Maybe if he does comeback that gap between Joba’s thought process and what it really takes to excell as a top notch pro athlete will get rehab’ed also.

  93. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Rapada or Cabral?

    Good article documenting their ST so far and who makes sense:

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....bral-39442

    Keep Cabral, the Rule 5 choice from the Red Sox!

  94. Villa Nova-Ya March 24th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    austinmac -

    If Joba can keep optimistic it will help. He seems optimistic and positive by nature, but this kind of set back – who knows? And for now I’m sure teammates will be coming by, but what happens when they go north?

    I’m having a hard time shaking the sadness I feel for him, and I pray he heals quickly and things go well for him. I’m also having a hard time with thinking about Karter and what he witnessed and how he’s dealing with this.

    Joba feels like a member of the family, you know?

  95. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Who are the new bullpen prospects in our system? Aside from our AAA starters.
    —————————————–
    David Aardsma rehabbing from TJ and who might be available late summer.

    George Kontos, Kevin Whelan.

    Any word on Tim Norton?

  96. Gary March 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    I can imagine that underneath the helpful comments issued by the staff that behind the scenes there isn’t a real anger in the front office. I haven’t seen the wording in his contract, but paying athlete’s millions of dollars there has to be something in there about what risk you expose yourself to. Would not be surprised if even if he gets back that we have seen the last of him as a Yankee.

  97. Best To Ever Do It March 24th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    – singing his praises, blowing smoke up his ass before we knew what we really had. Joba got too much hype too fast.

    ——————-

    Whose fault is that? Not the “fan boys” you have been tearing down for the past few days.

  98. Gary March 24th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Who are the new bullpen prospects in our system? Aside from our AAA starters.
    —————————————–
    David Aardsma rehabbing from TJ and who might be available late summer.

    George Kontos, Kevin Whelan.

    Any word on Tim Norton?

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I wonder if there is any short term impact at all, he wasn’t back and still recovering from TJ surgery. There was no guarantee when and if he would be pitching. I think as you suggest the question is now a longer term question, the probability is high that he doesn’t come back for a variety of reasons and who replaces him as a roster player going forward. I see Cash trying to make a trade to get somebody, he’s just looking for a situational 1 inning setup man, they should be out there.

  99. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Aaron Boone’s contract was voided over an injury suffered in the offseason while in a pickup basketball game. I doubt the Yankees will take the road to void Joba’s contract.

    This is the worst open dislocation of the ankle one can suffer. Vascular injury, possible nerve damage, and the risk of infection.

  100. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am
    Who are the new bullpen prospects in our system? Aside from our AAA starters.
    —————————————–
    David Aardsma rehabbing from TJ and who might be available late summer.

    George Kontos, Kevin Whelan.

    Any word on Tim Norton?

    ————————————————————————————————————————

    Norton should begin the season in AAA to go with Whelan and Kontos. Perhaps one of craig Heyer or Josh Romanski will go in long relief/emergency starter.

  101. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    The rupture of the ankle’s capsular structures is often severe, and the risk of infection secondary to open injury is often significant; however, prompt reduction and, when warranted, operative debridement and repair usually lead to excellent functional recovery and long-term prognosis. Immediate recognition and early reduction of the dislocated ankle are essential, as delayed reduction may lead to subsequent loss of range of motion and increased morbidity.

    Update on Ankle Dislocation Reduction:

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/.....erview#a01

  102. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Good morning GB-

    I included an article on Rapada vs Cabral @ 7:52. Any thoughts on who the Yankees should take after you read it?

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....bral-39442

  103. Villa Nova-Ya March 24th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    There is a very short blurb in today’s Star Ledger that reports Andy Pettitte will be called to testify in the Clemens trial.

  104. RadioKev March 24th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Seems like you wait and see who keeps it up for the rest of the spring. If Cabral keeps showing that upside you’d probably take him. Rapada has looked pretty great, though.

  105. Gary March 24th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    The bleeding and magnitude of the dislocation has to be a real concern to his prognosis going forward. Right now the focus is on getting this injury stabilized and getting in place a repair so Joba will have a good quality of life going forward. I’ve had ankle surgery myself that played out over a year, I can sense what he is going through and what lays ahead. For a year it was like I had a constant tooth ache in that joint and it’s nowhere near what his injury is.

    The disruption of blood flow possible to the bone is a real threat right now, Bo Jackson and Floyd Landis had similar problems with circulation in their bone joints and the doctors could not reverse it.

  106. Villa Nova-Ya March 24th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Yankee Trader-

    I hope the good doctor’s at St. Joseph’s did a good job with the emergency surgery.

  107. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Villa-

    Looks like the trial might start around the middle of May.

    WASHINGTON — The federal judge overseeing Roger Clemens’ trial has moved jury selection in the case up one day to April 16.

    Judge Reggie Walton issued the order Thursday, a month before the highly anticipated trial of the former baseball star. Walton’s chambers said previous commitments came off his calendar April 16, allowing him to get the trial started earlier

  108. Villa Nova-Ya March 24th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Hopefully Andy can get his testimony in one day and then move on. And it will be good that he will not be NY prior to May. Maybe it cuts down the distracting questions.

  109. Gary March 24th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Villa Nova-Ya March 24th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Hopefully Andy can get his testimony in one day and then move on. And it will be good that he will not be NY prior to May. Maybe it cuts down the distracting questions.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Villa, I echo that. Andy is a sincere person and I hope he gets in and out with a minimum of grief.

    On the other hand for Roger the Dodger I hope his day is coming.

  110. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Gary-

    Infection, Vascular Injury, and Nerve damage are the doctors and Joba’s main concerns right know. Down the road if he continues to have diminished blood flow to the bones of the ankle, then
    he runs the risk of an “avascular” necrosis to the bones of the ankle fed by the artery that was disrupted.

    Bo Jackson, due to multiple trauma to the hip joint had avascular necrosis of the acetabulum[ball joint] of his hip which led to him having Total Hip replacement.

    I stayed at a HIE!!

  111. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    *now*

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “I’m having a hard time shaking the sadness I feel for him”

    I also.

  113. pat March 24th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    “And it will be good that he will not be NY prior to May.”

    I suspect that may be by design and not by accident but I’m jaded like that. :wink:

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    I’ve decided not to try to wonder about or second-guess what’s down the road for Joba. He’s a strong kid and totally optimistic. I’m going to believe that he’ll overcome this and come back to pitch. I will hold that as my belief unless and until I read otherwise from either the Yankee front office or Joba’s doctors.

    HEAL WELL JOBA. WE’LL BE HERE WAITING FOR YOU.

  115. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Good morning GB-

    I included an article on Rapada vs Cabral @ 7:52. Any thoughts on who the Yankees should take after you read it?

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/…..bral-39442

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Trader, I might be inclined to take both of them north. The thought that one or the other just might be a ST flash can’t be overlooked, and neither one would get through waivers. Having three bullpen lefties might seem odd, but Boston and Baltimore have a lot of left handed mashers and Toronto has guys like Lind, Snyder, Johnson, Thames and even Rasmus, who seem to take delight in torturing the Yankees.

  116. Gary March 24th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Gary-

    Infection, Vascular Injury, and Nerve damage are the doctors and Joba’s main concerns right know. Down the road if he continues to have diminished blood flow to the bones of the ankle, then
    he runs the risk of an “avascular” necrosis to the bones of the ankle fed by the artery that was disrupted.

    Bo Jackson, due to multiple trauma to the hip joint had avascular necrosis of the acetabulum[ball joint] of his hip which led to him having Total Hip replacement.

    I stayed at a HIE!!

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Right on, Floyd Landis sticking to the health related aspects of his career had the same issue. He endedup having a total hip replacement also.

  117. Villa Nova-Ya March 24th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    pat -

    Quite possibly.

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:18 am
    No – it was not Eiland that frustrated Joba’s development to reach his potential – as certain fan boys continue to adhere to this fantastical tale. The truth – it was FIRST the August 2008 injury and then SECOND these very fan boys themselves who were the most detrimental to Joba – singing his praises, blowing smoke up his ass before we knew what we really had. Joba got too much hype too fast. And the sad thing is these fan boys were going to do the same with Montero – for Montero’s sake – I am glad he does not need to hear the hype from these fan boys anymore – following the game more for his at bats versus whether the team actually wins. Wax your poetics fan boys – the hype for you is reality before reality actually happens. Generational does not happen into their are actual results. . . . .

    Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:23 am
    While it is sad what happened to Joba – the moral outrage expressed at some for disgusting comments is just as disgusting – moral outrage – become morally outraged over human rights violations and persecution around the world. It is sad what happened to Joba – but he has the financial ability to weather this storm and great access to healthcare and health insurance.

    Stoneburner March 24th, 2012 at 12:26 am
    Ys Guy March 24th, 2012 at 12:24 am
    “Wax your poetics fan boys – the hype for you is reality before reality actually happens.”

    this really hurts my brain. good night all

    *******

    Ahh but it is true – for the fan boy hype is THEIR reality they have created for themselves before the ACTUAL reality occurs – which they cannot know – b/c the hype is not certain. Ahhhh. . . . .
    ////

    “Stoneburner”,

    You’re a coward. You write these OBSESSIVE posts directed at no one but me, over and over and

    over and over and over and over again.

    You think you’re making some sort of impression on me? Do you imagine you’re going to

    influence or moderate the content of my posts by stalking me?

    Your posts are terrifying, I admit but not because they tweak me. You are seriously in need of

    psychiatric help. You never address me, you just take passive aggressive, bilious shots at me.

    Who is it you are really angry at? That’s what you need to find out, for your own mental welfare.

    I’ve ignored you generally, because you 1). don’t address me directly (that’s the coward part) and

    2). because your beef is a deep psychological one that isn’t about me, personally, and likely isn’t

    even about some bizarre notion about integrity when assessing “prospects,” but something much

    much deeper. You’re doing yourself no favors by exhibiting insane – yes, insane – behavior on

    this site, over and over and over and over again.

    I’m not going to stop posting here about prospects, or offering my observations, so you’ll just

    have to deal with realizing your impotent attempts to rein in prospect talk, or hyperbole, as you

    see it, has failed. But if you think for a minute that anyone here, whatever “side” of your fake

    “issue” they’re on regarding prospects, or even regarding my take on Yankee stuff, doesn’t also

    realize you have mental problems, then you might want to go back and string all your posts

    together, and see if they don’t read like the ravings of a complete lunatic, as even these three

    here demonstrate.

    For your sake, I hope you seek the help you really need.

  119. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    New Post—>

    Thanks for your input Gary and GB:

    If both the 23 yo Cabral[rule 5 from the Red Sox] and Rapada goes North, who in your opinion might be cut? Wade?

    Await reply on next thread.

  120. pudinhand March 24th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Fathers can be fathers in every sense without risking their careers. I have no sympathy for a guy who was rehabbing an injury while risking a new one. He should have had a spotter watching him. When the details emerge, it will be clear you don’t have your foot ripped off your leg by just “jumping around with your kid”. Idiot!

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Do you have sympathy for a guy whose circumstances in life are such that he might not have the “common sense” that others have who have been shown it every step of the way? Do you make exceptions for people whose backgrounds truly might play into the mistakes they make as adults?

    I don’t see any idiot in this scenario. Just someone who lacks the maturity of others who have been brought along in a more streamlined sense than Joba has been.

  122. pudinhand March 24th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    I have sympathy for people who have real problems like feeding their families. I do not have sympathy for man-children.


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