Hope Nunez continues his good play….he looks a lot more.comfortable this year so far….looks like a big leaguer.
Just read the Klapisch article on Joba…..its so sad….I don’t think I’ve ever rooted for a player to make it back from injury the way I will for Joba …..I hope the Yanks stick by the kid…..and I hope he can make it back.
The Heels eecked by last night against a team theybare much
Eecked by aagiant a team they are much better than…..afraid they’ll be taking a knife to a gun fight against Kansas if Marshall can’t play…….also….if Harrison Barnes thinks he’s ready for the NBA….he’s wrong……he can’t dribble……and in the NBA if you can’t dribble as a small forward then your limited….
No harm in picking Matusz over Hughes for 2012 or vice versa. Both pitchers have one decent season as starters to their name followed up by an awful season. Matusz historically awful, Hughes just plain awful.
In 2010 Hughes had a 103 ERA+ vs 97 for Matusz. Slightly better there for Hughes. Matusz had a 4.05 FIP vs. 4.25 for Hughes. Matusz slightly better by that measure. They pitched a nearly identical number of innings as well.
Both pitchers look healthy now and are looking to bounce back to at least 2010 levels where they had a very similar season.
I posted this last night but am going to post it again because it relates to what Klapisch wrote today:
Let me tell you where I come from this when it comes to Joba. Do I feel that he used pretty poor judgment? Absolutely. And there doesn’t look to be a lot of weight-give to those trampolines so even moreso with someone of his weight coming down on his ankle. And then there’s risk of injury to his arm.
Having said that, I look at the way Joba came up and believe that he was robbed of so many things that help kids to become well-rounded adults. I’m not saying that everyone in his situation goes bad or has poor judgment, just that there’s a greater propensity than for most kids who have a basic middle-class upbringing. He grew up on an Indian reservation. It is not just anecdotal that drinking on Indian reservations is a huge social problem. He had an extremely giving and loving dad who was there for him every step of the way. But nonethless, the man was in a wheelchair and needed constant care himself. His mother abandoned the family so there was no nurturing female presence to help either the kids or the dad. Joba was blessed with athletic ability and that’s what helped him to get where he did. But he still didn’t appear to have the tools to help him keep him grounded or to deal with the celebrity. So I see him as a big kid who was socially stunted a long time ago. I think he was ill prepared to deal with his celebrity, but nevertheless eager to please. I think he has exercised poor judgment at times but I think that’s a function of immaturity that is part of coming up the way he did. I see him as a victim of his circumstances, in every way.
I wish someone had recognized more about him than his athletic ability and took him under their wing. I could be wrong but I don’t think that happened. Or if it did, I don’t think it happened in the way he really needed it to happen.
I think he means so well but at the same time doesn’t really have the tools (intellect?) to make continual sound decisions.
I hurt for him. I pray that he’s okay. I broke both bones in the bottom of my left leg years ago (totally clean breaks) and ended up in a cast for almost a year. I was a runner before that and it ended my running. I can’t imagine what this type of injury might do to his baseball career. It’s just a very sad moment. I just feelprofound sadness for him.
Fathers can be fathers in every sense without risking their careers. I have no sympathy for a guy who was rehabbing an injury while risking a new one. He should have had a spotter watching him. When the details emerge, it will be clear you don’t have your foot ripped off your leg by just “jumping around with your kid”. Idiot!
What do you think he was doing multiple flips in the air? For all we know he jumped and just landed wrongly.
Honestly the best 25 for the Yanks might be to keep Maxwell and let Jones be the primary DH……with Nunez playing a lot at various positions……I think the combo of Jones and the rotation of resting starters would be productive…….of course they wont do that…..aibanez will get his shot and they’ll lose Maxwell all together most likely.
Trader, Maxwell is out of options and no way he clears waivers…not with Boston needing outfield help.
With the pitching situation you referred to, they could possibly option Wade to AAA or one of the starters. Two really tickleish problems to have. It would at least buy a month or so to figure out what to do with Maxwell, Ibanez. Wade, Rapada and Cabral. Better too many of these problem than having nothing to chose from.
I liked their chances with Marshall but they are a different team without him…..they are like the colts were without Peyton…..the problem is that Barnes isn’t the guy everyone thinks he is…..he can’t take guys off the dribble and he can’t create his own shots unless its some high degree difficulty fade away…..he needed Marshall to get him the ball in spots to score….and Henson and Zeller needed him for the same…..maybe Roy can work a miracle…..and you never know what can happen…..but I don’t feel great about their chances against Kansas unless Marshall heals a lot by tomorrow.
I hope Bill Madden reads Klapsisch this morning and realizes how much of a hack he is.
The yanks , Joba’s agent and Harlan are all denying the life threatening blood loss which to me makes sense. It’s not your foot needs that much blood to begin with.
I’ve read that Joba’s contract is not guaranteed which if true would mean the Yanks could cut him and at this point only pay him 45 days termination pay. But I don’t believe they even consider this. Imagine the backlash.
I have to say I don’t have much hope for Ibanez, never wanted him. Cashman saying he’s not worried about Ibanez even with him hitting .050 pretty much seals his spot on the team. I think CC could hit that. If we lose Maxwell and he ends up thriving somewhere else, that will suck.
You’re a coward. You write these OBSESSIVE posts directed at no one but me, over and over and
over and over and over and over again.
Mr. J. Alfred -
I am not addressing you specifically – but rather all of the fan boys. Do not flatter yourself to think you are the one person who overhypes until a prospect shows their potential. I am raging against a systemic problem – one that is multiple in nature. I do not try to address specific individuals b/c this is not personal – this is something I have observed for years – first with Joba – and now with Montero – this fan boy hysteria and predictions of generational before it happens – it is ticking me off b/c I follow the prospects, go to the games, love following the farm system religiously since I was a kid before the invention of the internet – I do not like the new fan boy crazed style of following – it is beyond obsessive – it is immature as it makes predictions about prospects of stats that WILL happen – instead of realizing that there just MIGHT be the possibility a prospect will not live up to these lofty generational standards – and when they do not – these crazed fan boys look for someone to blame – like an Eiland, a Girardi – instead of realizing there is no simple answer – there are multiple factors – it is more complicated than that – but their prediction ego and the time they spent going to a game in Charleston or Trenton will not let them know that maybe they were a bit NAIVE when it comes to following prospects in the first place. . . .
Second – try not to have your linebreaks get in the way – it is annoying.
Finally – I am flattered that you have addressed me individually – if someone is not getting to you – you do not respond and ignore – unlike your post.
So continue to wax poetics fan boys – keep hyping your Jose Ramirez plus plus changeup (but maybe you meant his slider – idk – i just don’t know) – keep quoting Mark Newman as your source of information and sometimes make it your own – keep canceling your season tickets over a trade of prospects that we have no earthly idea how it will pan out over the years – and again – wax poetics about generational stats and hype that is your reality, but is not actual reality just yet.
I will still be here though – pushing back – as the fan boys can be dangerous – especially if the prospects begin to believe the hype themselves before the results are actually earned. . . . .
Re Joba, there’s the case of the great Dizzy Dean:
“While pitching for the NL in the 1937 All-Star Game, Dean faced Earl Averill of the American League Cleveland Indians. Averill hit a line drive back at the mound, hitting Dean on the foot. Told that his big toe was fractured, Dean responded, “Fractured, hell, the damn thing’s broken!” Coming back too soon from the injury, Dean changed his pitching motion to avoid landing as hard on his sore toe enough to affect his mechanics. As a result he hurt his arm, losing his great fastball.”
What’s happened to Joba is obviously far, far worse then a broken big toe. Medical progress has of course been substantial since then, but it’s still very hard to envisage him coming back from that, even if all goes well. However, this is one tough kid and if, by some miracle, the healing goes well, then I suppose you can never tell.
But even if he recover from this, there’s still an outstanding risk that he’ll never be able to put the necessary pressure/weight on that foot. I think Pat M nailed it last night; it’s almost certainly the end of his career. What a great shame.
But, right now, the single most important thing is for him to get better enough to simply lead a more or less normal life. I’m confident that Yankee management will take good care of him. They may have been frustrated with him at times, and upset with the accident, however I believe that they genuinely like the guy and only want the best for him.
There’s something a little odd about a poster that yammers on for two days about “fan boys” of prospects and uses a prospect’s name for his SN. are you a stalker, too, or just a common prospect hugger?
Stoneburner, way to lump together all so-called “fanboys” (what does that even mean?) without any differentiation. So many people make prospect observations here, using so many different approaches from firsthand observations to quoting Newman to relying solely on stats. However, feel free to conflate everything; it is so much easier to be sloppy in your presentation of the facts than to actually read the posts, differentiate on the merits of each specific post/prospect and have a dialogue about those prospects. And who are people waxing poetic about? A few prospects they have seen and value over others? It is called an opinion; this is a blog. Why not share yours instead of lumping anyone who follows prospects and every prospect into one large, undifferentiated mass? And by the way it was a plus (plus) changeup re: Ramirez and it definitely wasn’t his slider, which was still in a developmental stage at the time. And Pruf didn’t say it. So, get your facts straight.
“maybe Roy can work a miracle…..and you never know what can happen…..but I don’t feel great about their chances against Kansas unless Marshall heals a lot by tomorrow.”
Me neither. I give Roy an F for getting his team prepared for last nights game. I also agree about Barnes. White played great, But when he’s in the line-up it’s 4 against 5. Watts was awful. I still would like to see him try PJ at the point. He’s quick and can dribble. I think KS would have to at least respect his shot. And who knows if he’s in a pass first role maybe his shot will get hot as well.
I’m taking a more realistic view on this, Joba isn’t coming back from this injury. The magnitude of the injury even to just what a normal person without the challenges of pitching are is pretty daunting. I think the Yanks will give it a period of time in support of him, but then release him. The cold hearted facts are that baseball is a business, the Yanks will quickly want to move on. I don’t know what the guaranteed money is, or what the stipulations of his contract are, but there could be an issue there with all of it getting paid. My opinion they reach some type of agreement.
By the way, Ramirez is having a great camp, reportedly. Flashing a plus plus change, I hear, too.
What I found interesting is that Anderson Feliz, the very toolsy, raw 2B we both saw at Lakewood, had some turns at 3B last season, which I didn’t realize.
That makes me feel good about how they regard his future, although with Andujar and Bichette there as well, I’d also like to see him use his gliding legs and excellent arm in the OF some, too. I suspect with Cano as a lifer (hopefully), and a guy like Gumbs thriving at 2nd, they want to get Feliz moving around so we can actually use him. He’s got awesome ability.
Stoneburner, you seem to be the only one here with the courage to point this out (oh, if I’m not mistaken, Mick, Big Al and BD Boston are there with you as well.) A number of the posters here seem to take more pleasure in their mL heroes then with the Yankees. And they seem to care more about how they’ll be right about their crystal ball predictions concerning the success of these guys coming up, then they do about making the Yankees a better team.
Even GB7, who follows the mL more closely and more enthusiastically than just about anyone, doesn’t let it get in the way of rooting for the Yanks, first and foremost.
Like a lot of folks here, I’ve been a Yankee fan for a very long time. Like you and others, I enjoyed following Yankee mL prospects in the press. I loved seeing the emergence of Bob Grim, Kubeck, Richardson, Sieburn, Lumpe, Terry, Bouton and even Marvelous Marv Throneberry.
But, I can NEVER recall all the b***ng and moaning about moving those guys when they did get moved. No matter how much we liked the players concerned, we were just as excited about getting the new guys who we thought could help the team. Because the team came before the individuals. If it meant trading a Ralph Terry as part of a package to get a Hector Lopez or Bob Cerv (just to give an example), we said, OK lets go Yanks! (and of course we knew we could always get them back from KC!
Instead, we have here a whole chorus of moaners who are really more interested in seeing their fav boy toys play in the Stadium than they are in the Yanks putting together the best combination of players to win.
As to the specfic Montero case that’s on every ones minds; yes, I think Jesus is going to be a good to very good hitter. Obviously Yankee management feels, rightly or wrongly, that he just won’t fit their future plans. But going perfectly beserk about it and believing that one has the power of gods and can absolutely, positively determine the extent of a players future greatness is simply mond-boggling.
Yea I saw that about Rivers….im a little surprised to be honest…..but glad cause he’s really good.
I can’t fault Roy too much….his point guard is hurt…..his back up point guard is hurt….McDonald is hurt……White is the only ball.handler they have….Watts can’t play point…..his only option was to let White play and just hope their size won the game…..Bullock saved their bacon…….Barnes was back to the player he was when Drew was running the team
yanks61, heading to work, but your deduction is lacking. Following/rooting for minor leaguers and loving the Yankees and wanting the best for them aren’t mutually exclusive. I will match my Yankee fandom against anyone’s. Although it is kind of a juvenile high school activity, don’t you think? Over and out.
And I agree about Hairston….he seems at least like a capable ball handler……I honestly thought White did ok…..the reason it was so close was because Barnes didn’t show up at all and wasted about 15 possessions on offense trying to go one on one when he can’t dribble well enough to do that……I like him but he’s not ready for the NBA….
“I can’t fault Roy too much….his point guard is hurt”
No excuses. He still has the talent level that should blow the doors off of an Ohio type team. I mean the size difference alone should have made it a blow out, if they had a decent game plan. I put that on Roy.
I learned never to become too attached to any player because no matter how much whining, bleating, screaming, indignation ad nauseum I felt about what happened (I went through all of that when Boomer was traded), it didn’t change a gol durn thing. It was a tough lesson but a good one I think.
im pretty sure cash met with the press earlier, at least that’s the excuse they used on wfan for cancelling murti’s segment at the last minute. but that was an hour ago, so i guess there wasnt much info dispensed (or sweeney actually overslept…)
What randy and trisha are trying to say is that it’s all good.
There is too much hatred on this board, it seems to be the engine that stimulates discussion.
We all have our opinions and they are all valid.
The problem is that some think they know better…
White did much better than I expected, he played great. But it’s obvious that Roy doesn’t want him to do anything except dribble and pass. I don’t think he evens want him driving down the lane. The other team knows this and starts clogging up the middle. Doubling our big men. Bad news for us.
I think back on Marshall, and even Lawson when they first started they were not very good shooters. Teams took advantage of that and negated the size advantage the Heels usually have. When their shots started to fall and they gained confidence in it, that is when they both really took off as players.
What all that rambling means, is the Heels need a PG that can at least make a shot or drive down the lane. Even if White could, Roy won’t let him. He needs to do something different.
Feminista, when/if you get around to reading this, I absolutely agree with you that that this is petty JR H.S. stuff. It’s the lack of PERSPECTIVE people often show. There are so many more important things in life to be outraged by than what player a team choses to move in a deal. It’s bloody game, for crying out loud! I mean, the last time I was so outraged about a baseball event was when the Yanks lost the WS to the Pirates – when I was in fact in Jr H.S.!
Finally, I’m sure you are a great yankee fan and I’m not telling you how to be one. There are just a few folks here who become a little too hysterical. This stuff is suppose to be fun. I’m not naming names – you know, if the shoe fits and all that.
Best To Ever Do It March 24th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Hopefully Doc can talk him into staying another yr. He needs to develop more.
I was surprised when I saw he was coming out.
I agree he’s very green. Lots of talent but the NBA would eat him up at this point.
I was surprised to see it too. I figured Doc is his dad so he’ll at least stay for two years but that appears to not be the case. He would score in the NBA because it’s so point guard driven but as you said he would get eaten up.
Yea….but its still a good team they were playing without anybody that can handle the ball…..that’s tough…..they had a kid out there that wouldn’t have played one minute if everyone was healthy. I just don’t see much else they coukd do…..as I said….its kinda like the Colts were without out Manning….you build a team to run a certain way and then take the main cog of that away and its tough to adjust in the fly……hopefully they’ll be better next game but Marshall is by far their most important player ans it was obvious last night.
One other thing…..im sad that Zeller is graduating…..he’s finally turned into a beast after all the injuries…..he’ll be a good pro for a long time
Joba has always been one of my favorites, because of his family where he came from and now another obstacle. I hope he makes it back, I’m disappointed and sad for him and his family.
I remember in the early 60s the young American world record holder in the pole vault Brian Sternberg in his prime just before a trip to Russia while on a trampoline taking a bad landing on his neck leaving him a quadriplegic. At the time life threatening. Since then he has had surgery to help him breath.