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Injury updates from Yankees camp

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter
Played his second game since coming back from a calf injury. “It’s fine, like I told you before,” Jeter said. Girardi said he’s told Jeter not to run all out for a while.

“As we get near the end there it’s a different story,” Girardi said. “But I think we still have time and I’ll still continue to be cautious with him just to make sure we’re through it. But I felt good about today. I thought he moved better today, and I told him to be cautious, but when you see him move like he did today, you feel better that he feels better about it.”

Alex Rodriguez
Left today’s game after being hit by a pitch in the seventh inning. Joe Girardi said Rodriguez is fine and expected to play again on Tuesday.

Nick Swisher
Sat out another game with a sore groin, but Girardi said he expects Swisher to be in the game on Tuesday. “Maybe try to get him one or two at-bats on Tuesday and see how he is,” Girardi said.

Dave Robertson
Made his first appearance since bruising his right foot. It was only his second appearance of the spring, but both Robertson and Girardi said they believe there’s enough time to be ready for the season. “I felt good,” Robertson said. “Didn’t have any problems. … I haven’t felt anything (for a while).”

Joba Chamberlain
He has been officially released from St. Joseph’s Hospital. “I am optimistic that he’s going to pitch for us this year,” Girardi said.

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95 Responses to “Injury updates from Yankees camp”

  1. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Thanks Chad!

    Is a screwball a palmball? I remember reading books on Christy Matthewson and he threw a palmball, I believe. He’s my favorite old-time player.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    “Joba Chamberlain

    He has been officially released from St. Joseph’s Hospital. “I am optimistic that he’s going to pitch for us this year,” Girardi said.”

    Oh yeah!

  3. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Betsy-

    A screwball is not a palmball.

    2 distinct pitches.

  4. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Pat M, I thought Phil’s last start in 2009 was against the Indians……..I’ll go check out the videos later; thanks!

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Tar, love you, respect your opinion, and all that (as you know to be true.)

    Whether or not it’s fools gold, I am not worried about Pineda. If he wasn’t working on another pitch, I probably still wouldn’t be too concerned. But because I know he is – and he’s been vigilant about it from everything I read – I think that’s where his concentration is right now. His velo has come up slowly. Nothing wrong with that!

    Hey 93-94 ain’t bad. Only 3 away from 97. He’ll get there. And if he’s at 94-95 and it has movement, with his secondary pitches, I still think we have more than enough.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. ;)

    BBL

  6. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    MTU, thanks. Hmm, then maybe the screwball is called something else – something else in modern terminology? Either way, I remember reading about one old time pitcher who threw it so much that his arm/hand was permanently twisted – ouch!

  7. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Betsy-

    Screwball is spun opposite to a curveball.

  8. Tar March 25th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “If I were 23 and could throw 92-94, with a good slider and a getting-better change,”

    But that’s not what he did Tom. Regular season game and he probably doesn’t even see the 4th inning to record his increased velocity FB. Early on it was pedestrian, high 80′s. He got k’s on pitches that I know are going to get hammered come regular season. Now I know I could be totally missing the point on working on his secondary stuff, and frankly I hope so, but i’m not so sure.

  9. Tar March 25th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I’m out Go Heels!!!

  10. JM March 25th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Good news about Alex. Was concerned he might have cracked a rib.

  11. Nick in SF March 25th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Last night I saw the great indie band The Magnetic Fields and they played their very seldom-performed song “Tarheel Boy” — an omen?????

  12. m March 25th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Despite what you hear from Girardi and Cashman today, you can bet they are concerned about the velocity.

    Nothing to freak out about, but the velocity readings are what they are.

  13. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    MTU, thanks!

    I’m very happy about Alex as well; he can’t seem to stay away from fluky injuries lately.

  14. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Would the Yankees send Pineda to AAA ?

  15. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Welcome Betsy.

  16. Villa Nova-Ya March 25th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    When a player gets traded, does his prior video come with him? In other words, and to be more specific, do the Yankees have video of Pineda’s pitching performances with the Mariners from last season?

  17. jacksquat March 25th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I don’t know why there is concern about Pineda’s velocity, as long as it’s not due to an injury. He sits 91-94. So what, so does Phil Hughes now and everyone is lauding him. And Phil’s secondary pitches aren’t as good at this point. And Pineda has a 3.31 ERA so far. It’s not like he’s getting lit up. So I don’t the concern, except from the media who seem to want controversy so they have something to write about.

  18. jacksquat March 25th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    don’t *get* the concern

  19. jacksquat March 25th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Would the Yankees send Pineda to AAA ?

    Cashman said he hasn’t even thought about it.

  20. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    There’s no reason for Pineda to air it out in ST, yet. There’s nobody watching that needs to be impressed. Cashman and Girardi are pleased. He’s getting outs with less than his best fastball.

  21. ET March 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    He is still 5-6 mph off his peak velocity from last year. Which is ok, he doesn’t have to hit 99 this early, but he isn’t even getting 95-97.

    ————-

    Which is why it is amusing for people to go gaga when he touches 94 once. This guy had elite, top 10 starter velocity last year. He’s not Phil Hughes.

  22. jacksquat March 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    Betsy-

    Screwball is spun opposite to a curveball.

    It’s actually more opposite a slider, or at least a slurve.

  23. Villa Nova-Ya March 25th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    They may or may not be concerned about the velocity; they have to be encouraged by the CU and by his ability to get outs; they may want him to be more economical. He did get through 5 innings, and was economical in the last two in order to do so; they let him get to, what 85 pitches today? That’s good. And they have to like that even struggling he fielded his position well, and only gave up the one run.

  24. Nick in SF March 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    I’m not convinced that Cashman is always completely forthcoming about all of his thought processes.

  25. Jerzz March 25th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    jacksquat – Agree. Pineda is far more likely to be successful with 4-5 MPH off his FB than Hughes can. Pineda’s secondary stuff is far ahead of Hughes’ anyway, so he’ll be better off. He is basically a better version of Hughes right now even with diminished velocity.

    But the expectations for Pineda are higher than Hughes as well. I don’t think people have visions of Hughes becoming an ace these days, while Pineda is expected to be a top tier starter

  26. Villa Nova-Ya March 25th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Nick in SF -

    That’s a given.

  27. tucker March 25th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Palm ball is similar to a change. You grip the ball with your entire hand. As MTU says, screwball is spun opposite of a curveball. That was Fernando Valenzuela’s distinct pitch that made the lefty so tough on righties, because the ball dived away. … You don’t see many pitchers throwing a screwball now. It’s a tough pitch on the elbow.

  28. m March 25th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    I think everyone (or almost) everyone is pleased with his secondary pitches and results. That is the bright side.

    jacksquat,

    That’s like saying what’s the concern about Verlander if he’s throwing sitting where Hughes sits. It’s a noticeable drop off. I’m not saying he won’t get those 4-5 ticks back. But it will have to be acknowledged at some point. And I’m not saying he can’t pitch right now. Because he’s throwing around Hughes’ speed and his secondary pitches look very good.

  29. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Tucker, thanks!

  30. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    If memory serves Warren Spahn had a phenomenal screwball.

    Among other things.

    :)

  31. jacksquat March 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    I think Pineda just didn’t work out or throw much in the offseason and came into camp not quite where he should be. He’s young and I bet that changes next year. So I bet he’s just getting into pitching shape, and it will be gradual. I’m glad he’s not trying to knock the catcher over, that’s a good way to injure yourself.

  32. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    He sits 91-94. So what, so does Phil Hughes now and everyone is lauding him.

    Phil Hughes ALWAYS sat 91-94. Pineda AVERAGED 95 mph last year. You don’t see the difference?

  33. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    As long as Pineda can pitch, there is no reason to send him to the minors. Phil was not only not healthy, but he was finding it impossible to get anyone out. Pineda is not going to get his missing velocity back by being in AAA. It’s undoubtedly something that will come back with time.

  34. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    I’m glad he’s not trying to knock the catcher over, that’s a good way to injure yourself.

    Pineda rearing back for velocity he doesn’t have yet is a good way to injure himself…

  35. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Pineda is not going to get his missing velocity back by being in AAA. It’s undoubtedly something that will come back with time.

    If it comes back over time then he could find it again in AAA, while also giving the Yankees an extra year of service time and avoiding super-2 status. Benefits…

  36. Yank 97 March 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Wang looked fine in 09 ST too and then when he started facing real competition, he got shelled.

    I recall Hughes looking decent in ST last year as well then when the regular season started, he was getting hammered.

  37. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    jack-

    I seem to remember that Pineda said he laid off intentionally because he threw that many innings last season and wanted to rest his arm.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “There’s no reason for Pineda to air it out in ST, yet. There’s nobody watching that needs to be impressed. Cashman and Girardi are pleased. He’s getting outs with less than his best fastball.”

    GB I entirely agree. And as long as he’s concentrating on another pitch right now, I’m not worried that he isn’t blowing it all out.

    He’ll get back there. No need to push any panic button, IMO.

  39. jacksquat March 25th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    He sits 91-94. So what, so does Phil Hughes now and everyone is lauding him.

    Phil Hughes ALWAYS sat 91-94. Pineda AVERAGED 95 mph last year. You don’t see the difference?

    I don’t see why everyone is lauding Hughes and critical of Pineda, even several saying he should go to AAA.

    What’s the concern about? Are people really worried that Pineda at 23 will never throw 97 again? In spring training? lol?

  40. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Jerkface, doesn’t that sound like something the Rays would do? If he’s one of their best pitchers, then how do you send him down?

  41. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Pineda doesnt have to air it out, but he isn’t even throwing normally.

  42. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Jerkface, doesn’t that sound like something the Rays would do? If he’s one of their best pitchers, then how do you send him down?

    Well the Yankees have to operate differently now and they have valid reasons to send nova or pineda down. One for performance one for getting in shape.

  43. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I don’t see a lot of criticism of Pineda, just worry – though I myself am not worried. Because of Phil last year, among other things, all of a sudden people are concerned that something is wrong. Most folks are very happy with Pineda’s secondary pitches. They are happy with Phil because he’s throwing the ball well and has had a very good spring

  44. Yank 97 March 25th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Hughes has no expectations, that’s why. No one knows if he’ll pitch like 2010, 2011, 2005 Trenton, or 2008 MLB. No one knows if he can pitch 200 innings, sustain velocity for a full season, throw more than 1 pitch, be an ace, a #3, a #5, or a set up man or a reliver or a closer. So any positive signs are being looked at through the prism of hope that he might be solid enough this year to where he is not a concern.

    Pineda averaged 95 last year. He is not a low 90s guy like Hughes.

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    jacksquat, I wouldn’t mind him going to AAA if it helped cut down on the innings on his arm (because he threw so many last season) or if it gave the Yanks more control over him in the coming years, in terms of contract.

    I definitely don’t think he needs to go to AAA because he isn’t ready to pitch in the rotation.

    Let me repeat. I have no concern whatsoever.

    I think that if posters want to look at his speed in the middle of the year and see if he’s where he was last year, it’s okay for comparison. But since he put so many innings on his arm last season, I don’t think it’s surprising that he’s not blowing it all out right now.

    Yeah, I believe he’ll hit 97 again. I also believe that if he can control with his FB at 93 or 94 in the meantime, we should kiss the ground as opposed to rail to the skies!

  46. Betsy March 25th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Jerkface, I suppose that’s true. If push came to shove and they thought Pineda would need to spend time in AAA, I think they’d do it – media be damned. I’m sure it would cause a stir, but that’s the media’s issue.

  47. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    I’ll call BS on Jon Heyman with this supposed quote. There is no GM alive that is willing to risk his job over a statement like this. Those are tampering worthy, and the fine and penalties to him and his team aren’t worth having your name exposed.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....o-progress

    “Cain was initially viewed as someone who might be willing to give the Giants a decent-sized hometown discout, as he signed for $29 million over the last three years, which included two arbitration years and one free-agent year. However, there are signs he’s toughened his stance in recent weeks, sometime after receiving the Giants’ initial offer. It isn’t known what that offer was, but a person close to the team agreed that it wasn’t close to the $100-million mark. One competing GM said Cain should hold out for nine figures based on the market for top pitchers.”

  48. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Direct correlation between velocity and pitcher performance: http://www.bbtia.com/home/2009.....rting.html

  49. Nick in SF March 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Few are saying that Pineda has to go to AAA, but he might benefit from doing so just as he might do fine or better than fine staying with the big club. You could say the same about Nova and maybe even about Hughes.

    Unless they’re going to have Freddy play with the tumbleweeds in the bullpen, someone that might not need to go to AAA might still start tbe season there unless something shakes out one of tbe pitchers some other way.

    And then there’s Andy…

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “Wang looked fine in 09 ST too and then when he started facing real competition, he got shelled.

    I recall Hughes looking decent in ST last year as well then when the regular season started, he was getting hammered.”

    Well how about we wait until the season starts to see if the same thing happens with Pineda or if he gets the job done without getting shelled or hammered?

    I have my money on him being fine. We’ll see.

  51. ET March 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Honestly…. Considering Pineda had shoulder problems in the minors, I’d let him just get Tommy John this year and let him get a head start on next year. There is a high probability he will need it anyway based on his shoulder history.

    We have Andy now, we have more than enough starters. I’d get it out of the way now.

  52. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    trisha-

    I have to go very soon but I hope things are going better for you.

  53. tomingeorgia March 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    ET,
    TJ surgery has nothing to do with shoulders, it’s about elbows.

  54. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    ET March 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    Honestly…. Considering Pineda had shoulder problems in the minors, I’d let him just get Tommy John this year and let him get a head start on next year. There is a high probability he will need it anyway based on his shoulder history.

    We have Andy now, we have more than enough starters. I’d get it out of the way now

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    Wouldn’t ligament surgery for a shoulder problem sort of be missing the target by about 2 feet?

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    jerkface – don’t tell Greg Maddux that!

    :)

  56. Pat M. March 25th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Jerkface is the prime example of the old yet relevant cliche, that too much information is not good…..I can assure you Face that the Tigers hitter today didn’t notice Pineda heater being off a few degrees….But what they do know is that the ball gets on top of you real quick….Every game I’ve seen him throw this spring so far that’s my impression….Guys just don’t look comfortable in the box and are taking defensive hacks…….Put away the spreadsheets for one week and just watch the game…..You’ll learn a little more by observing…..Numbers make you squint

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    MTU, they are and I thank you very much for your concern.

    As long as Pineda is good to go – and he is – then dammit so am I!

    :)

  58. tomingeorgia March 25th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Let’s go, Jayhawks!

  59. Pat M. March 25th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Defcon 4 , ready for attack

  60. MTU March 25th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Excellent Trisha.

    I’m glad to hear it.

    Later.

    :)

  61. ET March 25th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Sorry, I meant elbow.

  62. tucker March 25th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    A couple of interesting blurbs on MLB trade rumors:

    -Andy Sonnanstine elects free agency after being outrighted to AAA by the Cubs. How long before the Red Sox sign him?

    -The Phillies are interested in Ramiro Pena. With Bernier’s glove, the Yanks should listen to offers.

  63. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Jerkface is the prime example of the old yet relevant cliche, that too much information is not good…..I can assure you Face that the Tigers hitter today didn’t notice Pineda heater being off a few degrees….But what they do know is that the ball gets on top of you real quick….Every game I’ve seen him throw this spring so far that’s my impression….Guys just don’t look comfortable in the box and are taking defensive hacks…….Put away the spreadsheets for one week and just watch the game…..You’ll learn a little more by observing…..Numbers make you squint

    Typical anti-intellectual nonsense, all you have is personal attacks based on some grand assumption that I do not watch games. Pineda could have all the success in the world at a reduced velocity, but the reduction in velocity would still be an issue, because it limits his ceiling as a pitcher and could be related to something physically wrong with him.

  64. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    ET, maybe you were thinking of life forms from your planet.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Jamie Moyer went 21-7 in 2003 with a fastball that topped out at 83 mph.

    Methinks Pineda will be just fine.

    :)

    Have a great night all.

  66. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    jerkface – don’t tell Greg Maddux that!

    Ah I see so now Pineda is a hall of famer that spent the beginning of his career with a perfectly normal velocity and when he did suffer reduced velocity he made up for it with not only the generous help of the umpires but an arsenal of pitches that pineda does not have pinpoint control of all of them? Cool. I’m glad we traded for a hall of famer 10 years in his prime.

  67. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    There will always be players that buck trends. Dustin Pedroia is a pretty solid ball player for a midget, doesn’t mean you want to draft every midget on earth.

  68. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Jerky, you might be right. Pineda may be physically sick of reading about the missing velocity while finding his non-change-up change-up.

  69. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    I dont know why teams dont draft more 1 armed pitchers, Jim Abbott proved it proved it isnt an issue.

  70. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    no one can win a debate about pineda here.

    the season starts soon and then things get more serious.

  71. Nick in SF March 25th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    “…doesn’t mean you want to draft every midget on earth.”

    I thought Pedroia came from Middle Earth.

  72. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Using maddox and moyer as counterpoints only further reinforce jerkfaces point.

  73. tucker March 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Pineda has great downward plane on his fastball. That pitch is more difficult to hit, even at 91 or 92, then, say, Manny DelCarmen’s mid-90s fastball or Kyle Farnsworth’s straight as an arrow 98 mph fastball.

    That said, I’d still like to see Pineda get back to the mid-90s consistently. With his body, I think that is likely, even if he doesn’t open the season at that velocity.

  74. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    “Wang looked fine in 09 ST too and then when he started facing real competition, he got shelled.”

    wang looked like crap in 09.

    we were talking about his weird release point most of spring training.

  75. tomingeorgia March 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    JF,
    Old debate. How does size matter in baseball? If you can play the game, you can play it. There are way too many “midgets” who were great players. I’ll list a few, if you want. I just think the dismissal if prospects on the basis of size is silly. Maybe it is that scouts are scared of recommending players less than 6’2″ and 200 pounds. Missing some gems, I’d bet.

  76. BX33 March 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    The Yanks gave up the next Manny/Pujols for this guy, he damn well better be throwing 97 and better be throwing it soon. How nice of the guy to show up out of shape in his debut season as a Yankee. Meanwhile, we have no DH either.

    Montero could be helping this inconsistent offense score runs against the elite pitching staffs in the AL. Instead, they have a pitcher who is down 5 MPH from his velocity last year. Boy I hope Jesus mashes the ball in Seattle – show the idiot manager and GM what they missed out on.

  77. m March 25th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Pena optioned to AAA. What’s this about the
    Phillies interested in Pena?

  78. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Nick in SF March 25th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    “…doesn’t mean you want to draft every midget on earth.”

    I thought Pedroia came from Middle Earth.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    One of the last of the race of Mole men?

  79. Pat M. March 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    I have to admit Face, your graphs are always quite colorful…..I wasn’t attacking you, but I should know by now that you are thin skinned…….I think it’s more about establishing command and build from there approach…….GB is right, Pineda has been throwing a higher % of non fastballs than what he was tossing the few times I saw him last year……Tin Cup is correct, let’s see how it all plays out rather than posting all this alarming nonsense for shock value….Or in your case just to be noticed and being obtuse……I need The Heels to cover 2.5 points today so I can eat tomorrow

  80. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Montero could be helping this inconsistent offense score runs against the elite pitching staffs in the AL. Instead, they have a pitcher who is down 5 MPH from his velocity last year. Boy I hope Jesus mashes the ball in Seattle – show the idiot manager and GM what they missed out on.

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    He’d better not strike out three times a game too often. You’ll be suicidal.

  81. Yank 97 March 25th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Wang had a 4.15 ERA in 2009 ST – 6 games, 21 IP, 25 H, 3 HRs, 4 BB/10 K with a 1.34 WHIP and .287 BAA —- pretty much vintage Wang numbers across the board. He might have looked funny doing it, but no one could have expected he’d give up like 30 runs in his first 3 starts once the reg. season began.

    Hughes had a 4.09 ERA in ST in 2011 – 22 IP, 3 BB/14 Ks, a 1.2 WHIP. He, too looked fine in ST. A few too many hits, but nothing to suggest that he would get shellacked in real games.

    Of course, Pineda, even with diminished stuff, still has better stuff than both these guys. Still, it shows how often times, obvious problems in ST like Wang/Hughes had didn’t affect results in ST but did once the reg. season started.

  82. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Tom,

    I bet for sure a lot of potentially great ball players are getting passed over due to size/whatever. However the issue is that there are limited amount of spaces for minor league players to play, and so scouts sometimes have to make minimum requirements on players. There are a limited number of scouts, time is money, etc.

    Even when Branch Rickey had a million farm teams, when he held tryouts he still made the first cuts based on speed and arm strength. I’m sure he passed up guys that could hit.

  83. MG March 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    I don’t know if Pineda will be a big winner with a fastball in the low 90′s, none of us do because he hasn’t pitched like that before.

    None of us know why he isn’t throwing as hard as the past couple of years-Pineda hasn’t said anythig and the Yankees haven’t said anything.

    None of us know if and when the velocity will return, we can only assume it will.

    The only thing we do know, contrary to the opinions of some of you, is that focusing on the change is not the reason for the lower velocity this spring.

    The reason why we know that?

    The change is thrown with the exact same arm motion as the good fastball, anything less than that and the hitter knows it’s coming.

    If Pineda is one of the top 5 starters at the end of the spring, he should be in the rotation, particularly since he will probably get better as the season since his fastball will probably come back, we just don’t know when.

    If he isn’t one of the 5 best starters, he should be pitching elsewhere until his turn comes around, period.

    It’s a Yankees decision, we can only hope the Yankees handle this situation better than they did with AJ Burnett last year.

  84. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    M,

    Can’t see NYYs dealing Pena unless it’s part of a bigger trade. Wouldn’t get anything in return for just Pena.

  85. mick March 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    And yes, best to ignore vs. inflame. Especially re: those who feign interest in a discussion but who are in reality trolling or trying to subvert the thread to their own purposes. A waste of time.
    =========================
    or those that don’t agree with your pompous point of view or worship at the throne of idolatry.

  86. tomingeorgia March 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    JF,
    Guidry, Ford, Schantz, Berra, Rizzuto, Pearson, etc, etc. Add the dwarf to the list.

  87. spidanyc March 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    The Phillies are interested in acquiring Yankees infielder Ramiro Pena, according to George A. King III of the New York Post.
    Philadelphia is on the hunt for infield depth. Chase Utley is sidelined with no timetable to return and Freddy Galvis will start at second until he makes it back. Chris Getz is off the market, because he is in the hunt for Kansas City’s starting second base job. Pena would be a decent fallback option for the Phillies if New York is willing to part with him.

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    Ramiro Pena and Freddy Garcia for Dom Brown

  88. mick March 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    I need The Heels to cover 2.5 points today so I can eat tomorrow
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    could be a gambling problem..yathink?

  89. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Pat M,

    Don’t mistake calling you out for having nothing as having thin skin. Unless thick skin means I simply ignore your petty insults? Don’t break a hip trying to dance around your need to insult me instead of debating the merits. You’re just as nasty as all the old timers that cry poor when someone calls them on their bs.

  90. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    “Wang had a 4.15 ERA in 2009 ST – 6 games, 21 IP, 25 H, 3 HRs, 4 BB/10 K with a 1.34 WHIP and .287 BAA —- pretty much vintage Wang numbers across the board. He might have looked funny doing it, but no one could have expected he’d give up like 30 runs in his first 3 starts once the reg. season began.”

    nice numbers .

    how’d you get them if you don’t mind sharing .

    here’s what i said about wang back then:
    randy l.
    March 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    wang looks funny with his motion. something about the way he’s coming over the top and releasing the ball.
    randy l.

  91. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    spidanyc March 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    The Phillies are interested in acquiring Yankees infielder Ramiro Pena, according to George A. King III of the New York Post.
    Philadelphia is on the hunt for infield depth. Chase Utley is sidelined with no timetable to return and Freddy Galvis will start at second until he makes it back. Chris Getz is off the market, because he is in the hunt for Kansas City’s starting second base job. Pena would be a decent fallback option for the Phillies if New York is willing to part with him.

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    Ramiro Pena and Freddy Garcia for Dom Brown

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    How is Brown any better than Maxwell? Both have failed in the ML multiple times.

  92. Pat M. March 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Face….Relax, you take it all far too seriously……

  93. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Ah so its cool to insult people off the bat because it isn’t serious? Good to know.

  94. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    And of course when you get punched back its all ‘relax relax’.

  95. Pat M. March 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    My apologies

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