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Yankees make another round of roster cuts

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Six more players have been sent out of big league camp.

SS Ramiro Pena
OF Colin Curtis
RHP Manny Delcarmen
OF Cole Garner
C Jose Gil
RHP Kevin Whelan

All were reassigned except for Pena, who was optioned to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

 
 

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106 Responses to “Yankees make another round of roster cuts”

  1. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Chad, who gets your vote for the James P. Dawson award for outstanding rookie in camp, so far?

  2. tomingeorgia March 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Pat M,
    There is religious truth in numbers, if you follow that faith.

  3. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    No real surprises on those cuts.

  4. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Not Cole Garner :(

    Maybe they should try to build a package around something more equal in value & include Ramiro Pena to snag Dom Brown from the phillies. Guy was optioned to AAA again.

  5. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    How is brown any better than Maxwell?

  6. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “Pineda could have all the success in the world at a reduced velocity, but the reduction in velocity would still be an issue,”

    ____________________

    I haven’t gone all the way back to follow exactly what caused what appears to be a little flare-up.

    But this statement strikes me as a little odd. And I’m asking intellectually, not in some defense of Pineda, who may indeed be the latest ML baseball player to experience non-linear performance results.

    But if anyone indeed had “all the success” in the world, why would his velocity still be a concern?

    Isn’t velocity a means and not an end?

    Do you specifically mean indicator of injury, which would derail the ‘all-world’ results for the length of the injury?

  7. MG March 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    Direct correlation between velocity and pitcher performance: http://www.bbtia.com/home/2009…..rting.html
    ————————-
    this article makes average fastball velocity of 91 mph the inflection point and bases all conclusions on pitchers with average velocity of 91+, it does not distinguish at all between 91 and 92, 93, 94, 95, or 105.

    The conclusion seems to be that once a pitcher throwing an average of 91+ he has a much better chance of succeeding as a major league starter than a pitcher that averages less than 91, it draws no other conclusion.

    that’s a big difference between the assertion that the harder a pitcher throws the better the outcome, as your phrase ‘Direct correlation between velocity and pitcher performance’.

    Direct correlation in this analysis would mean that the correlation coefficient (0-1) increases linearly with increased velocity, that is not the point of this study.

    I have no dog in this fight but, if you are going to use statistical data, use it properly.

  8. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    How is brown any better than Maxwell?
    __________

    Brown is lefthanded (or switch) is he not?

    I suspect the idea is prioritizing the next regular Yankees outfield to bat lefthanded for the NYS, at least against righthanded pitchers.

  9. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    How is brown any better than Maxwell?

    Left handed, younger, better in the minors.

  10. Stoneburner March 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    ….

    I have posted on this thousands of times. It’s folly because:

    ….

    3). The bat they traded is extraordinary RIGHT NOW.

    ************

    This is the problem with the fan boys – the RIGHT NOW – how the heck do you even know that – you do not – look Delmon Young was supposed to have an extraordinary bat RIGHT NOW – and he has not exactly panned out after a brief nice foray into the league. You cannot just base it on minor leagues and a cup of coffee in September – because there have been countless hundreds that fall into that category throughout the game. The simple fact is that you have no facts right now – you do not know for certain – you may think b/c you went to see Montero in Trenton and you invested time in him – but you do not know with certainty AND that is the problem with the fan boys. It is okay to have an opinion – but to state it as a fact is the problem with this current prospect attitude that was not around a decade ago when it was Ryan Bradley, Nick Johnson, and Alfons coming up with a Drew Henson drafted to be thrown in there with a little Brandon Claussen and Alex Graman.

    So wax poetics fans boys – instead of following this advice from a reasonable Seattle Mariners poster:

    CompassRosy March 25th, 2012 at 12:42 pm?Larry Stone, with his typical voice of reason, says it could be years before a “winner” of the trade is declared…
    http://tinyurl.com/7yvh62a
    And, while I would agree, I continue to hope that both sides feel they were the winners for years to come.

    *******
    Compass – You get my vote for post of the year! Pretty much sums up everything – wait and see is the best approach before reacting – or in some cases – overreacting. . . .

    (note post will be repeated)

  11. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    MG,

    The charts are more than a 91 mph break point. 94 mph represents the best point on all the charts. Thanks for playing.

  12. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Better in the majors too.

  13. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Do you specifically mean indicator of injury, which would derail the ‘all-world’ results for the length of the injury?

    Yes, maybe my hyperbolic statement derailed the main point i was trying to make. A pitcher can have success, limited or long term at velocities that Pineda is pitching at. But for a pitcher whose baseline performance has been established for a major league season at X velocity, him pitching at reduced velocity despite whatever success he may have is an indicator of something wrong. And as that article points out, something which may hamper his success going forward.

    Pineda is a guy who suffered elbow inflammation in the minors. Increased his innings by 80. And is now suffering reduced velocity. That he can get hitters out in ST or have a run of success in the majors does not diminish the potential concern with his reduced velocity.

  14. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    He’s been all but given the job in left or right 3 times now and failed…just like Maxwell. Younger doesn’t make him better just like younger doesn’t make a better poster, just nor obnoxious. as far as being left handed, it doesn’t seem to give him any advantage. What’s more, he’s a worse base runner and a far worse defensive player.

  15. LGY March 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    GB

    If the Phillies offered Domonic Brown straight up for Justin Maxwell would you reject that trade?

  16. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Anyone who is feigning being unconcerned or is legitimately unconcerned with pinedas velocity is just being naïve. Its that simple. If u think the yankees are unconcerned, u are dead wrong.

  17. MG March 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    MG,

    The charts are more than a 91 mph break point. 94 mph represents the best point on all the charts. Thanks for playing.
    ————————————–

    Jerkface, since I don’t give a crap about you or your highly distorted view of life and baseball it doesn’t matter to me but I doubt many on this blog read the article. Here is exactly what it said and there is nothing inferred about 94 being the best point on all the charts, if it was there would have been analysis in the text that pointed in out. Have a nice life.

    91 MPH IS A SIGNIFICANT INFLECTION POINT

    One of the more interesting breakpoints in the data occurs at 91 mph. Thirty-six of the 46 pitchers (78 percent) with average fastball velocities above 91 mph in 2008 had ERAs below 4.00. In contrast, only 19 of the 60 pitchers (31 percent) with fastball velocities below 91 mph had ERAs below 4.00. The average ERA for pitchers with average fastball velocities above 91 mph was 3.69 in 2008, while the average ERA for the remaining pitchers was 4.37. As with the graphs and table above, it is difficult to deny the very strong correlation between fastball velocity and the performances of major league starting pitchers.

    FASTBALL VELOCITY, TOP-OF-THE-ROTATION STARTERS, AND PITCH USE

    To move this from a population study to a consideration of individual pitchers, I sorted the pitchers using FIP and placed them into groups of 30. In theory, the top 30 pitchers could be considered No. 1 pitchers for 2008, the next 30 could be considered No. 2 pitchers, and so on. The average fastball velocities and pitch use for the No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 pitchers are presented in the table below.

    FIP Ranking
    FB Velocity > 91 mph
    FB %
    CU %
    Other %
    Top 30
    25 (84%)
    59%
    13%
    28%
    31-60
    12 (40%)
    58%
    11%
    31%
    61-90
    7 (23%)
    57%
    12%
    31%
    91-106
    2 (13%)
    64%
    11%
    25%

    [CU = Change-up; Other = curveball + slider + cutter + knuckleball + undetermined]

    As expected, almost all of the pitchers with FIPs that are among the top 30 in the league had average fastball velocities above 91 mph

  18. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Younger doesn’t make him better

    When his performance is equal to that of an older player it does. Context, GB7, context. Just like Montero was so good in the minors due to his age relative to the league, Dom Brown is a superior hitter to Maxwell for the same reasons. Dom Brown was in the minor leagues playing professionally when Maxwell was in college.

    Dom Brown hit : .300 .333 .650 .983 this spring and just got optioned. That the phillies lack faith in him does not mean he is a bad player or would be un-useful for the Yankees to trade for him.

    Last year he had a really bad wrist injury, and it sapped his power, and he is getting further removed from that and would be a potent bat. And his defense would be marginal in RF. He doesn’t have to play CF or LF.

  19. Chad Jennings March 25th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm e
    Chad, who gets your vote for the James P. Dawson award for outstanding rookie in camp, so far?

    Those Triple-A starters — Phelps, Mitchell, Warren and Betances — have been very good, but it’s hard to pick one ahead of the other. I believe Maxwell and Wise have used up their rookie status (certainly Wise has). Gil really hasn’t had enough playing time.

    Right now, I think my vote might be for Doug Bernier, who’s really been outstanding in the field and at the plate. Certainly not a typical choice, but he’s been outstanding. I also wonder if Cesar Cabral could sneak into the conversation, especially if he starts to separate himself and appears to have a roster spot locked up.

  20. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    MG,

    You could read the chart. K/9 peaks around 94 mph. FIP is at its lowest.

    “As with the ERA graph, the batting average against (BAA) rises as fastball velocity decreases from 94 mph to approximately 90 mph,”

    And of course in the table the pitchers with 92.5 mph or better average were better than the rest. That there is a significant drop off past 91 does not mean that pitchers with high velocity are the same as those with 91.

  21. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    To merge two posts together, this trade will indeed take YEARS to determine whether this is a lopsided trade one way or another.

    I won’t even say “win” the trade because I think the concept it pretty knuckleheaded to begin with. You “win” the trade if you get from it what you wanted, which simply means there can be two “winners” in trades.

    Pineda under the Yankees control for 5 more years. During that time, its is entirely possible if not very probably he will suffer injury, and/or variance in performance.

    Perhaps some of that more volatile performance or even injury may come at the front end of those 5 seasons, which if you’re a fan focused on proving some point to another fan sometime in the next several months or this season is going to give you ammunition.

    Other have brought up Austin Jackson’s early 2010 performance and I don’t mean to compare Jackson to Montero at all, just to illustrate the early results may or may not be misleading.

    As wet a blanket as this may be, 2017 is going to be a much better time to evaluate this trade.

    Montero or Pineda could crap their pants or be All-Stars this season and NO combination of those possibilities will even be the first turn to a longer race.

  22. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    As wet a blanket as this may be, 2017 is going to be a much better time to evaluate this trade.

    If the Yankees optioned Pineda to AAA to start the season they’d control him for the same amount of time as the Mariners control Montero. Which would provide more value straight up on the yankees end.

  23. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Bernier, I could see, yes. Hard to picture the Yanks having a 31-32 year old rookie infielder. I was pretty impressed by how hard he and Gil hit the ball this spring. Gil has barely ever gotten a shot at AAA. This year, hopefully. Been around for a long time, but, still pretty young.

    Thanks for the response, Chad.

  24. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    At this point, I’m less than sanguine about Pineda’s velo. I am not giving up on him, not even close, but it may be in his and the team’s best interests to put him at AAA to start the season.

  25. LGY March 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Pineda saw a velo spike in 2011 right? He didn’t always throw mid to high 90s right?

  26. tomingeorgia March 25th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Sorry, blake, Tar, and Tarheel,
    It’s over when it’s over.

  27. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Pineda saw a velo spike in 2011 right? He didn’t always throw mid to high 90s right?

    It spiked in 2010. Before that he was 89-93 sinker ball type.

  28. Bret The Hitman March 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    The most hyped sports franchise in the history of sports is out.

  29. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Gotta think Philly would like to have Bernier right about now.

  30. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Rock Chalk Jay Hawks!

  31. Bret The Hitman March 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    The ACC is the biggest hype machine on Earth.

  32. LGY March 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Oh ok that’s better. If he had the velo for two years it’s very likely a legit spike.

    Was starting to get a bit worried maybe Pineda just saw a one year spike which really wasn’t his natural velo and may have reverted back.

  33. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    At least we don’t have to worry that it’s an NL to AL thing… ;)

  34. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    least shocking college basketball news of 2012: the acc doesnt have a representative in the final four.

  35. blake March 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Well….the Heels just didn’t have the juice without Marshall…..Im.actually happy with how they played…..they just couldn’t make any shots down the stretch and got outrebounded….

    I didn’t get to see the game….im gonna try and watch Pineda later but I take it from the comments that the velo was about the same…..he’s getting outs though and so long as the CU is improving and he’s healthy I still think that’s the most important thing.

    Pineda at 92-94 with a good CU will be better than Pineda with 2 pitches and throwing 97…..and when the 97 comes back (and there is no really reason to believe it wont if he’s healthy) ….then he will be nasty.

  36. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Anyone who is feigning being unconcerned or is legitimately unconcerned with pinedas velocity is just being naïve. Its that simple. If u think the yankees are unconcerned, u are dead wrong.

    ___________________________

    People have become so invested in this the battleground has now become arguing whether the Yankees are “concerned” or not, as if someone one way or another than is a point in someone’s favor.

    To to the first part of that question. I never regarded this trade with expectations Michael Pineda was somehow a purer form of pitcher that was never going to experience injury or arm trouble or non-linear performance fluctuation during the course of his Yankee career.

    That expectation would have been unreasonable. If he do happens to be dealing with arm issues now, that doesn’t change my expectation.

    And according to pitch f/x, his avg velocity last year was 94.2. I think the legend of grown a tad over the last few months.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....8;pitch=FA

    If I’m reading this right, Pineda threw fastballs under 90 every start except a couple.

    I still think people should wait until the bell rings.

  37. Cashmoney March 25th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    If the idea is sending Pineda down to AAA for reasons of refining his repertoires in less glaring lights than NY I am all for it considering we do have a surplus of starters right now. I think it makes logical sense the harder u throw the more margin of error you have given that the command and control remain the same. reducing velocity is always a concern to me, but less of a big deal if Pineda gain control of a third pitch and further refine his craft as a pitcher. it remains to be seen if Pineda can become a stud pitcher … only time will tell.

  38. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    From MLB rumors.

    •The Yankees are being a little careful about trading their pitching depth, but it appears Freddy Garcia would be available at the right price, which may be high

  39. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Stuckey his average fastball velocity was 94.7. Your 94.2 sample fails to include some fastballs he threw with an average velocity of 96.7 (FT) that had insane movement so were classified as 2-seamers and cutters listed at 95 mph average.

    The legend does not grow, he threw an average of 95 mph with his fastball last year.

  40. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    If the Yankees optioned Pineda to AAA to start the season they’d control him for the same amount of time as the Mariners control Montero. Which would provide more value straight up on the yankees end.
    ________________________

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    There is the issue of demoting him, after an otherwise very good 2011, a perfectly functional spring training, with him knowing the Yankees are doing it partially to delay in cashing in as a FA an entire year.

    The whole ‘keep Harper, Strasberg, etc down an extra 45 days’ in one thing, but demoting a guy who spent a whole successful year as a ML is another.

    As I say, there are a few of us who give Montero a hall pass for a sub-par April-May-June 2011 and a suspension because of disappointment he was not promoted.

    You’d all better forgiving to a player who gets a demotion.

  41. LGY March 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    And according to pitch f/x, his avg velocity last year was 94.2. I think the legend of grown a tad over the last few months.

    ——–

    Averaging 94.2 is elite fastball velocity for a starter.

  42. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    JF,

    Fair enough, source?

  43. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Fair enough, source?

    The same page you linked. You just didn’t look to the right.

  44. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    “Averaging 94.2 is elite fastball velocity for a starter.”

    No argument intended, but 95 is significantly higher, but JF tells me 94.7 is the real number, so the point is moot.

  45. Jerkface March 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    And 94.7 is on the line right above, containing all fastballs he threw.

  46. GreenBeret7 March 25th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Old friend, Alfonso Soriano with a 1-3 day with a sac fly and a 2 run homer, his 6th with 14 RBI and hitting .351. Maybe can get a little of his former self back.

  47. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    “Pineda at 92-94 with a good CU will be better than Pineda with 2 pitches and throwing 97…”

    We’re not really seeing 92-94. We’re seeing a guy who is sitting at 89-91.

  48. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    the problem with pineda right now is that his change up last year was 87.6.

    if he still keeps throwing them that fast , he needs a faster fastball than the one he’s throwing in spring training for separation.

    what is his velocity on his spring training change ups by the way.

    how do you tell an 88 mph change up from an 89 mph fastball?

    maybe some of those slow fastballs are really fast change ups :)

  49. Cashmoney March 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    CC, Kuroda,Nova, Hughes and Pineda is what I think NY will start the season with as starters. I think NY probably want to wait and see how Andy is coming along before trading Garcia. But I think Garcia’s value might not get any higher if he is the bp under my scenario so it might be worthwhile to see if u can get something decent in return. I also think Phelps can step into 5th starter role if any of the starters falter or is injured.
    in so many words, trade garcia now if u can get something decent in return. If none offered, bp.

  50. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    ACC is hype?

    UNC lost their three best guards this season to injury McDonald, Strickland and Marshall.

    Stilman White a big big drop in talent from Marshall.

    They were lucky to win yesterday.

  51. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Randy,

    Had to go out this afternoon. Can I go back into those earlier threads to the answer to my question?

  52. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    randy

    i saw pineda throw quite a few in the low 80′s today and they were effective.
    can’t off speed pitches act as change of speed pitches…after all that is a separation of about 12-15 mph?

  53. Gary March 25th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I’m just back from Today’s game. Soldout and a great crowd and weather. Yanks had the A lineup in with the exception of Nunez in RF??? Nick was out there signing a million autograps but didn’t play. Many plus a few minus. Jeter really drove the ball well. Wind was blowing out to RF pretty good and he got the first one up in the jet stream and it was gone. The double in the gap the next AB was also hit very hard. I thought more dingers would follow to RF, but he was the only one to get the ball up to take advantage of. Pineda had a couple of rough spots but I thought he pitched pretty well. Mo and Rafel also threw well. A few good plays in the field especially the BGardner rocket from LF to cut that run off with 2 outs. AROD seemed to be on the ball timing wise, but mostly swinging under it.

    ARod got plunked pretty hard and they took him out right away. Lots of scoring chances, but like last year they didn’t get that hit with RISP and less than two outs. I don’t know what the LOB was but it was pretty high. There was a small village left out there. The Nunez K was especially big in his opportunity.

    Economy and Yankee revenues are doing well! Sales of $8 Beer, $4 Soda and water were going at a very brisk pace. The sales also on fish and chips, foot long hot dogs, and deli sandwiches in the $8-$10 range were also very brisk. Yanks and Detriot fans were doing their part :-)

  54. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    pineda could go down for april, if they think he can handle it.
    similar situation with montero in which they gain another year of control.
    freddy can be the 5th starter/longman til andy is back.

  55. blake March 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    “least shocking college basketball news of 2012: the acc doesnt have a representative in the final four.”

    They’ve won the whole thing what 2 of the last 4 years…..UNC had three of their best players hurt including the best point guard in the could try and Henson had a bad wrist and sprained ankle as well…..

  56. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    the happy problem could be ,in a perfect world, andy returning to a perfect staff..that’s 7 for 5…
    trading fredy still leaves one to the pen…that is the ultimate dilemma.

  57. blake March 25th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Rich,

    There’s no real.reason to believe that his velo is gone for good though if he’s healthy…..Im pretty sure he’s a Verducci effect candidate from the innings jump last year and one thing I see is he’s continuing to get guys out without his best fastball…….that’s actually a good sign to me because it suggests that he’s got some aptitude and pitchability about him…..its nit that unusual for young pitchers to have some velo issues in their 2nd seasons…..it happens fairly frequently……I want to see him pumping 95s and 96s as well…..but im still just not that overly concerned about it right now…….im most happy that his CU seems to be coming along.

  58. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “Had to go out this afternoon. Can I go back into those earlier threads to the answer to my question?”

    let’s give it a try.

  59. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Too bad Kendall Marshall went down White killed them the past two games.

  60. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    if pineda is as cool as he looks out there he could be planning on a big year without the use of an upper echelon FB…after all he is with a team that could win 100 games, not the mariners…he should get better run support.

  61. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    What do unc’s injuries mean in the context of a mediocre mid major type conference with one heavyweight? Injuries are part of the game, so is depth. If melo plays, the big east has 2 final four teams. He didn’t, just like marshall didn’t. The fact is, unc injuries don’t change the fact that the conference is very very mediocr and will be worse next year when unc and duke both regress.

  62. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    pineda’s view toward going down could come down to mgmnt asking him and pineda who would like to take one for the team for the month of april.

  63. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    “let’s give it a try.”

    ______________________________

    Not sure what that means? I think I asked a fair, serious question about a plan you’ve been promoting, and you consistently advocate actual baseball discussions.

    Can you be clearer for someone as thickheaded as whether you answered or are answering the question?

  64. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    -him and Nova- should have been

  65. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Let’s think about who the acc beat in this tourney.
    Unc beat ohio, a 16 seed, and creighton
    Fsu. Should have lost their first game, then they lost to a so so big east team
    Uva – winless
    Duke – winless
    Nc. State – pride of the conference with a win over gtown

    Really? We’re defending this? Really?

  66. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    blake

    I don’t think it is either. I’m just pointing out what I see now. I believe it will go up, maybe by a lot, but there is an inherent risk that comes with pitchers, which is why I…you know…

  67. mick March 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    i am thinking cc-kuroda-hughes-pineda/nova-garcia

  68. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    “can’t off speed pitches act as change of speed pitches…after all that is a separation of about 12-15 mph?”

    mick-

    that’s where the handedness comes in.

    a pineda slider that’s low 80′s isn’t going to necessarily be a good pitch to a lefty.

    a plus change up would more often be better at the same velocity because it’d be breaking away from the hitter.

  69. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    If Melo plays.

    Syracuse has joked in the tournament more than any team I can think of considering the talent they bring to it.

    ACC has won two of the past 4 years.

    You speculating on the future isn’t worth too much either, I’d prefer to have things play out themselves.

  70. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    “Can you be clearer for someone as thickheaded as whether you answered or are answering the question?”

    what was the question?

  71. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Choked not joked.

  72. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    If they bring Pineda north, and he is experiencing the Verducci effect, he may do some unnatural things to up his velo in order to overcompensate given all the pressure. I don’t want that to happen. There is no need to rush him. Start him at AAA.

  73. blake March 25th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Carlo,

    You have this weird thing against the ACC….Syracuse wont even be in the big east much longer.

  74. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    “There is no need to rush him. Start him at AAA.”

    rich in nj-

    i see no downside in it and lot of upside.

  75. mick March 25th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    a pineda slider that’s low 80?s isn’t going to necessarily be a good pitch to a lefty.
    ========================================
    hasn’t Mo taught the cutter to a few Yankee pitchers? :)

  76. Nick in SF March 25th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    “Choked not joked.”

    Boeheim has a great standup routine, but he goes way blue.

  77. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    The only potential downside, randy, if if the powers that be think they will look bad if he starts at AAA, but of course, they will actually look smart and secure if they do it.

  78. stuckey March 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    How will the Yankees org know Pineda’s change is ML-ready in AAA?

  79. blake March 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    “Too bad Kendall Marshall went down White killed them the past two games.”

    Eh….I think White did about as well as he coukd…..they lost today because they got out rebounded and because nobody stepped up and made shots…..Barnes didn’t get it done…..this was his chance to step up and be great and he didn’t…….white did shat he was supposed to do….the rest just didn’t step up to replace the big loss of Marshall.

  80. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Between Duke and UNC they’ve won 7 championships in the past twenty years.

    Is there another conference with as many wins?

  81. RadioKev March 25th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    If Pineda outpitches the other rotation candidates and is sent down, he’d be a big man to take that. The organization would just openly screw him over for money purposes.

    The strategy should come down to winning, not money. Seems like he doesn’t have much to work on that would require him to be in the minors. If he keeps throwing his change, that’s all he needs. His conditioning would also still improve with the big team.

  82. blake March 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    As I posted this morning…..there is merit to starting Pineda at AAA….mainly you get the extra year of control and he can work on his CU and sort out his velo issues…..but you have to weigh that against where he is mentally and the Yankee staff that know him are better qualified to make that decision……he’s pitched ok this spring ….its not like he’s getting shelled.

  83. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    “hasn’t Mo taught the cutter to a few Yankee pitchers? ”

    mo’s cutter is cut fastball. it’s pretty fast.

  84. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    White has no scoring ability they particularly missed Marshall’s 3 pointers.

    How many points did White have in two games? I think three maybe four.

    He doesn’t need to be guarded outside the primeter freeing up a defender.

  85. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    The thing I have against the ACC is called honesty. Top heavy conference for many years now that continues to be considered elite when in reality its routinely the 4th best conference in the country. This chronically gets overshadowed by the fact that duke and unc are perennial top 10 teams, even when they aren’t (duke – 2012).

  86. mick March 25th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    the “safest” thing to do would be to keep them all up and leave freddy as the long man.
    altho the 5th starter will only get a few starts till andy returns.

  87. blake March 25th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    “White has no scoring ability they particularly missed Marshall’s 3 pointers.”

    Yea I know….but I just mean I think he played about as well as he could……basically losing Marshall killer their transition game and as we all know that’s their bread and butter…..I was actually surprised they played Kansas as well as they did given they basically had to play half court.

  88. mick March 25th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    mo’s cutter is cut fastball. it’s pretty fast.
    ======================
    it’s another pitch for the arsenal tho…

  89. RadioKev March 25th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    How does one “work” on their velocity? I didn’t work for Hughes. As time passed and he conditioned this off season it came back – but I really don’t think sending him down did anything.

    And Hughes had a diagnosed health issue. So far there’s nothing on Pineda save for the nebulous Verducci effect.

  90. blake March 25th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Carlo,

    Well they’ll have Syracuse and Pitt soon enough….

  91. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Carlo thats a bunch of crap.

    They had some decent teams in this tournament.

    Florida State, NC State.

    Duke choked no excuses there.

  92. Tar March 25th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Blake I agree. White was not why they lost.

    Mid major conference? Ok whatever. And it’s not only Cuse thats coming over Pitt as well. Maybe well be spared your ACC rants.

  93. mick March 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    if i had to bet i would say they keep them all up, unless they are deadset on this “extra year” thing.

  94. RadioKev March 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Pineda was an all star his rookie season, and pitched better than Nova. Come on folks. It’s insulting to say he should be sent down over Nova – who he’s currently out pitching. Good on him if he takes it, but anyone could/should be legitimately frustrated when the wealthiest team in baseball screws you for money.

  95. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Blake I was surprised that they hung with Kansas as well as they did too.

  96. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Congrats guys, the powerhouse conference that once was had to go buy new schools to bolster their basketball prowess. Something to be proud of. Hahahaha.

  97. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Carlo

    Doesn’t explain why if it’s such a lousy conference why it keeps expanding.

    I can think of a few that contracting.

  98. RhapsodyInBlue March 25th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I guess it doesn’t say too much for the schools enlisting in the ACC.

  99. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    What does the talent in the connference have to do with expansion? That has to do with money, nothing else. Some would say when the yankees missed the playoffs they expanded their payroll.

  100. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Its says that the pitt and cuse athletic directors like money.

  101. Tar March 25th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    “Something to be proud of. Hahahaha.”

    Intentionally ignoring the facts or the reality of what a super confrence Is. OK I get it now, jealously.

  102. Carlo March 25th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    What facts? What jealousy? The facts are what I listed. Over rated conference with two programs that have carried it for years. The acc backers here have made my point by going to the “we raided the big east” argument to defend against the facts.

  103. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    what the yankees need to do is take pineda, hughes, nova, and garcia to that trampoline place that joba went to and have them bounce until someone is odd man out.

    or maybe it’d be a better idea to let them keep pitching and make a decision when spring training ends :)

  104. randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    just out of curiosity , did the twins get any benefit when they held liriano back that spring to save a year on his free agency? he was going to file a grievance if i remember right.

  105. mick March 25th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    randy l. March 25th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    what the yankees need to do is take pineda, hughes, nova, and garcia to that trampoline place that joba went to and have them bounce until someone is odd man out.
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    wouldn’t cc and kuroda get jealous?

  106. mick March 25th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    or maybe it’d be a better idea to let them keep pitching and make a decision when spring training ends :)
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    don’t you think they have an idea by now of what they are going to do?


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