Pregame notes: Pettitte making steady progress
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 27, 2012 
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After 20 pitches of batting practice, Andy Pettitte took a short break. He walked to the dugout just like he would between innings, and Nick Swisher followed him there. Swisher had been the last batter in the box, and Swisher was raving about Pettitte’s changeup. He said the movement was late and biting, and the deception was good. It was hard to pickup the spin on Pettitte’s cutter, Swisher said, and both the two-seamer and four-seamer looked sharp.
“Those are all important things that I need,” Pettitte said later. “I need the ball to move late, and hitters so far are telling me that it’s doing that.”
Pettitte went back to the mound for a second “inning,” this time with the L-screen removed. Pettitte said he was seeing the ball off the bat much better, so he felt comfortable without the screen, and he threw his last 15 pitches out of the stretch.
“Didn’t feel quite as comfortable out of the stretch as I did out of the windup, but I need some work out of the stretch,” Pettitte said. “I was trying to put in some slide steps and stuff like that. That’s a lot of bullpen work, just he timing and stuff like that. And it also is a lot of game work from the standpoint of getting the base runners over there and varying your speeds to home and stuff like that. It was a good day, a positive day. Another step in the right direction.”
Pettitte said it’s not important to him that he gets in a game this spring, but he is anxious to get in a game somewhere. He just wants to face hitters who aren’t on his team, and that should be a test. Joe Girardi still thinks it’s possible Pettitte will get in one of those last two games against the Mets before the Yankees break camp.
“I’m trying to get (my legs) to where I can drive and explode 100 pitches and I’m a long way from there,” Pettitte said. “I want to be strong. You want to be strong when you land. The last three or four pitches I threw, if you just land not quite as strong on that front side, the ball might be off this much and that’s a ball or a strike. That’s all part of the process. I’m getting there, and I’m feeling good, and so far so good.”
• Joba Chamberlain is scheduled to address the media at 5:45. These will be his first public comments since dislocating his ankle last week.
• Nick Swisher seemed to get through batting practice just fine. He was jogging afterward. Girardi said the plan is for Swisher to play minor league games Wednesday and Thursday before getting in a big league game on Friday. In minor league games, Swisher can hit without having to run the bases. Girardi has no significant concerns about Swisher being ready for Opening Day. “My sense is that he’ll be ready,” Girardi said.
• Alex Rodriguez’s ribs are fine after being hit by a pitch on Sunday. Girardi said he didn’t think Rodriguez even needed any treatment yesterday. He’s in the lineup today and it’s a non-issue.
• CC Sabathia is scheduled for 85-100 pitches tonight.
• Sabahtia is clearly lined up for Opening Day against the Rays. Girardi confirmed that Hiroki Kuroda is on schedule to pitch the second game of the season, and that’s according to plan.
• Today’s sides: David Phelps, Ivan Nova, Freddy Garcia and Rafael Soriano.
• Michael Pineda and Phil Hughes are scheduled to throw sides tomorrow.
• Today’s available pitchers: CC Sabathia, Dave Robertson, Cesar Cabral, Clay Rapada, George Kontos, Preston Claiborne, Mark Montgomery, Sean Black and Ryan Pope.
• Today’s second string: C Gustavo Molina, 1B Jorge Vazquez, 2B Bill Hall, SS Eduardo Nunez, 3B Jayson Nix, LF Justin Maxwell, CF Dewayne Wise, RF Chris Dickerson
• Up from minor league camp off the bench: INF Addison Maruszak, OF Abe Almonte and C Jeff Farnham
• Tomorrow’s traveling players to Orlando
Pitchers: Cesar Cabral, George Kontos, Hiroki Kuroda, Cory Wade, Adam Warren
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Russell Martin, Gustavo Molina
Infielders: Doug Bernier, Robinson Cano, Eric Chavez, Bill Hall, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, Mark Teixeira, Jorge Vazquez
Outfielders: Chris Dickerson, Justin Maxwell, Dewayne Wise
Minor leaguers: INF Addison Maruszak, INF Walter Ibarra, OF Abe Almonte, OF Dan Brewer, P Pat Venditte, P Juan Cedneo, P Cory Arbiso, P Ryan Flannery
Cell phone picture of Girardi watching Pettitte warm up, AP photo of Swisher
Brown’s own GM doesn’t consider him a capable defensive outfielder.
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And Brown’s own GM signed a 37 year old Raul Ibanez to play left field for 3 years. What does he know? He willingly played a man who was the worst defensive outfielder in baseball for 3 years, and paid him lots of money for it. No GM is perfect or knows everything, and the best kinds of deals are when you recognize value that your opponent does not. How else would we have gotten Nick Swisher for magic beans?
Travis Snider & Dom Brown are both guys who are getting jerked around by their organizations. Neither is being left to just blossom on their own. Doesn’t make either busts, makes both ideal trade targets.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jays & Phillies swapped em to be honest.
“He’s in his 7 year and still not an exceptable ML outfielder?”
This is Betances’s 7th year and he still can’t consistently repeat his delivery and has never even made it to the big leagues……does he stink too?
@JonHeymanCBS
Enjoyed sushi w/ @beelazek, scorpions batboy said trout/harper r great guys. I advised: enjoy youth. he’s at ASU, so advice not needed
hilarious
I haven’t seen enough of Brown play defense to be fair, but he looked terrible against the Yankees in left. The Phil’s announcers were discussing how bad an outfielder he is. Not a good sign to go along with his entire 2011 season. Was he too forlorn to hit in AAA?
He may be good, but their is certainly reason to wonder.
Nunez value is as middle infielder. I agree a corner outfielder needs more of a power bat.
Blake,
You don’t compare ability to be a starting pitcher to corner outfield defense I”m sure. Brown’s defense is very questionable, and it just isn’t that hard to learn if you have the ability and reasonable diligence.
blake March 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
“He’s in his 7 year and still not an exceptable ML outfielder?”
This is Betances’s 7th year and he still can’t consistently repeat his delivery and has never even made it to the big leagues……does he stink too?
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Now you’re comparing a pitcher’s skills to an outfielder needing 7 years to try to learn how to catch a baseball?
Keep drooling for a player that NY doesn’t need and trade a player they have no replacement for. You’re getting worse. trading just so you can say, “Hey, they’re trying to improve the team” makes zero sense. NYYs have outfield options…they have no middle infield options (ones that can play shortstop) and, no…Bernier and Pena aren’t options.
Brown and Adam Dunn play the outfield the same way…like they’re playing in a minefield.
Was he too forlorn to hit in AAA?
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No he broke his hamate bone in 2011. Which saps a hitters power. Wrist injuries always do.
Heyman had to go to Japan to finally get one of his twitter followers to accept free sushi???
re-post, these lines close tonight due to early season start:
select A’s and M’s over/under player props for 2012 season:
Cespedes BA .271
Cespedes HR’s 18
Cespedes RBI’s 63.5
Colon total wins 10
Ichiro BA .300
Ichiro hits 200.5
Ichiro stolen bases 35.5
Ichiro RBI’s 60.5
Smoak HR’s 16
Ackley HR’s 11.5
Montero HR’s 19.5 [he gets most of these during trips to Texas, no????]
Felix wins 15.5
Felix ERA 2.85
team win total over/unders:
Oakland A’s: 72.5
Seattle M’s: 71.5
Keep drooling for a player that NY doesn’t need and trade a player they have no replacement for. You’re getting worse. trading just so you can say, “Hey, they’re trying to improve the team” makes zero sense. NYYs have outfield options…they have no middle infield options (ones that can play shortstop) and, no…Bernier and Pena aren’t options.
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The Yankees clearly need OFers. They do not have any realistic long term choices for the OF. Quit your foolish hyperbole. You cannot bring anything logical to the table so you resort to this childish hyperbolic replies to well reasoned ideas. They do not need any MIF options because none of them are becoming a starter anyways. They do not have anyone that is going to take over in the OF next year if Swisher leaves, or after 2013 when Granderson is gone. Bernier and Pena are perfectly fine as short term injury solutions. No one is pipping Jeter or A-rod. Certainly not a player like Nunez who is not even close to either of them offensively or defensively.
And no one is drooling over anyone, but you are quite clearly salivating at the chance to tear down one of the top ranked prospects in the game because you disagree with trading for him.
“You don’t compare ability to be a starting pitcher to corner outfield defense I”m sure.”
No but that wasn’t the point….the point was about young players and the growing pains they have.
“Now you’re comparing a pitcher’s skills to an outfielder needing 7 years to try to learn how to catch a baseball?”
The positions they play has nothing to do with the point.
Hyperbole? You’re the princess of hyperbole. Sorry, junior, but they don’t have any long term shortstop/middle infielders ready right now, either. What’s easier to acquire. Nobody expected Rodriguez and Jeter to miss nearly 100 games last year, either, but they did. You want those at bats going to Nunez or Bernier and Pena?
“Keep drooling for a player that NY doesn’t need and trade a player they have no replacement for. You’re getting worse. trading just so you can say, “Hey, they’re trying to improve the team” makes zero sense.”
You’re making stuff up and twisting the conversation again GB.
Hell, Pierre, Nix and Posedinek are ahead of Brown for playing time right now.
Sorry, junior, but they don’t have any long term shortstop/middle infielders ready right now, either. What’s easier to acquire. Nobody expected Rodriguez and Jeter to miss nearly 100 games last year, either, but they did. You want those at bats going to Nunez or Bernier and Pena?
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They also have no long term middle infield vacancies for the next 3 years. By which time Nunez will be a free agent. They have Chavez (this year), Laird, Pena, and Bernier. David Adams on the way as well. There is not a glaring NEED to keep Nunez around except as some kind of insurance, which neither helps the team maximize his value personally nor to that of the team itself.
Hell, Pierre, Nix and Posedinek are ahead of Brown for playing time right now.
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This has nothing to do with how valuable Brown could be for a team thats not the Phillies. Can’t let a teams bad choices color your view of the player. Mike Napoli just 1 very recent example of a player scorned by his former team and manager.
Actually I take that back, they could conceivably have Nunez around for 2015 and 2016. So he’d be a bench player for 4 years of service time.
blake March 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
“Keep drooling for a player that NY doesn’t need and trade a player they have no replacement for. You’re getting worse. trading just so you can say, “Hey, they’re trying to improve the team” makes zero sense.”
You’re making stuff up and twisting the conversation again GB.
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Nothing was made up or twisted. Who’s more important to the Yankees this year? A middle infielder that can run the bases and hit pretty well or a #6 or 7 outfielder that can’t play defense and has yet to show that he can hit or field consistantly enough to beat out Pierre, Nix or Posednek.
I understand not wanting to trade Nunez for Brown and earlier today I said I didn’t know if aid do it or not……but acting like its an outrage or ridiculous is silly……as Brown at this time last year one of the best prospects in baseball….was compared to a young Daryl Strawberry.
He says, clearly twisting things.
Pena and Berier can’t hit (Bernier is 31) and Laird, adams and Joseph can’t play shortstop.
Nunez will be 25 years old,and ops’d at .698 in 2011,and is very shaky on defense.
The yankees would trade nunez in a second for brown.
Phillies would not.Not straight up.
David adams,laird,chavez,pena is more than enough.
If they had to they can trade for an infielder,with their pitching,but with the new cba,and granderson might be gone,you have to do that trade.
Sorry,but the yankees would survive without nunez.
“Who’s more important to the Yankees this year?”
Probably Nunez…..but the Yankees had better start thinking beyond the present if they want to stick to this budget and operate efficiently.
Pena and Berier can’t hit (Bernier is 31) and Laird, adams and Joseph can’t play shortstop.
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Luckily the former only have to be backups, the same as Nunez. Where hitting does not have to be a requirement. Both can field. Nunez can’t. There is an open spot in the outfield as soon as this offseason. There is no open spot on the infield.
Whats hard about recognizing that?
blake March 27th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I understand not wanting to trade Nunez for Brown and earlier today I said I didn’t know if aid do it or not……but acting like its an outrage or ridiculous is silly……as Brown at this time last year one of the best prospects in baseball….was compared to a young Daryl Strawberry.
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Who compared Brown to Strawberry? Law?
If the Yankees coukd have tunnel vision about the current season before when they could spend as much money as they wanted…..it still wasn’t a good idea but its really not a good idea now that they are working with a more finite spending limit……
For example…..You worry about RF this winter and you may wind up either spending too much money on the position…..or having a worse player for the position.
In need of a laugh?
Time to look back at 1 year ago today in Red Sox Nation. The Best Evah!
http://fullcount.weei.com/spor.....x-history/
“Who compared Brown to Strawberry? Law?”
It was a common comp for him.
Are we seriously talking about Brown’s defense without mention of the fact Nunez is an error machine at SS?
It was a common comp for him.
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Its because he has 5 tools but is still very raw.
blake March 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
“Who compared Brown to Strawberry? Law?”
It was a common comp for him.
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Common by who? Name names
I’m hearing about Dom Brown all day today. Why?
GB7,
Nothing like tag team.
Hell, Pierre, Nix and Posedinek are ahead of Brown for playing time right now.
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Jesus Montero got beat out for a job by Imposter Molina.
Stupid way to evaluate a player.
Tom,
When you see one, it’s a given that the other will show up and protect the other.
“Common by who? Name names”
Slept since then ….just remember reading it several places…..that doesn’t mean anything……just gives an idea of where he will stood as a prospect not that long ago.
Nunez is too valuable to trade …..”Zubi Zubi Zu” Mad Men, great stuff
I’m not sure exactly why Nunez is viewed as practically untouchable. He’s not a great hitter and worse he’s an awful defensive player.
Going back to the previous thread, I do agree (blech) with Lupica (I didn’t read the article, but I’ve been thinking it lately) that Melo is Alex – in terms of the fans reaction, except worse in a way because Knick fans wanted Melo. So now they only want him on their terms, meaning they don’t want him to score or be the elite scorer he was before they got him. They want him to change his game completely. Booing him before games is ridiculous and shows Knick fans to not be much better than Yankee fans.
LGY,
Tell us a fair evaluation of the 2012 Dominic Brown and explain why it is more accurate than the team who has seen him every day for seven years.
“I’m hearing about Dom Brown all day today. Why?”
I wondered this morning if the Phillies had called about Nunez since he coukd help them…..Chip said “Nunez for Brown?”…..and it devolved from there.
GB7,
If I thought you needed it, I would have brought my folding chair.
Nunez is too valuable to trade
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If he has so much value then they almost have to trade him, because having that value sit on the bench for 3 years is a waste of time.
“Swisher had been the last batter in the box, and Swisher was raving about Pettitte’s changeup. He said the movement was late and biting, and the deception was good. It was hard to pickup the spin on Pettitte’s cutter, Swisher said, and both the two-seamer and four-seamer looked sharp.”
no jokes about Swisher not being able to hit good pitching? lol
Hello everyone,
My two cents….Even though i like Dom Brown, i wouldn´t trade either Betances or Nunez. The former has the potential to be the anchor of the yankees rotation for years to come, and i think that his mechanical troubles are being a little bit overblown. He has shown that he can adjust on the fly his mechanics, something that is not easy to do.
In the case of Nuñez, i agree that there aren´t many SS with the upside that he has. Jeter and Arod should start to take a lesser role in the not so distant future (2013?). So i wouldn´t trade him either. He does have a footwork issue, but with practice and constant reps he will be able to overcome it. I think he is going to hit, and much better than people anticipate.
So i would trade for Brown if the price is some combination of lesser prospects ( Adams or Joseph plus one of Phelps, Warren or Mitchell ).
Tell us a fair evaluation of the 2012 Dominic Brown and explain why it is more accurate than the team who has seen him every day for seven years.
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White Sox mis-evaluated Nick Swisher, Angels Mike Napoli, the Astros Johan Santana, the Yankees Ivan Nova, the pirates Jose Bautista. What matters is that the Phillies do not want to play Dom Brown, that makes him ripe for a buy low scenario.
tomingeorgia March 27th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
GB7,
If I thought you needed it, I would have brought my folding chair.
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Bring your Raid and leave that jungle juice at home, Tom.
Hughes will get a rotation spot according to Daily News
LGY,
Tell us a fair evaluation of the 2012 Dominic Brown and explain why it is more accurate than the team who has seen him every day for seven years.
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A young player with excellent tools that may thrive in an organization that actually gives him a proper chance to display his talents at the major league level. In which case he’d provide excellent value to the Yankees and be a boon towards meeting the 189M goal.
JF,
I don´t think Nuñez is going to be a bench player for long.
I don´t think Nuñez is going to be a bench player for long.
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Who is he replacing? because A-rod and Jeter are under contract until 2014. Unless they plan to let Cano walk he isn’t getting playing time over a 27 million dollar player or a 15 million dollar player.
JF,
If they still play at a superior level, you are probably right. What i think is going to happen is that they´ll be force to play less and less as time goes by.So Nuñez role will increase as time passes. Age is not on their side, at some point they will have to play as a DH or rest more often.
“I’m hearing about Dom Brown all day today. Why?”
nothing ‘s going on .
it’s late spring training.
talking about nothing is a skill you can’t let slide.
you never know when you might need it.
Nunez would be better off putting Nunez in the outfield. He’s certainly no worse on defense than Brown, could fill in on the infield and his ML numbers are just as good and better in some areas. I’ll keep Nunez of the two.
Face…..Nunez’s value is to the Yanks which I believe they will never get an equal return for unless he’s in a package…….And then who replaces him ????/
And then who replaces him ????
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A Jerry Hairston Jr is only a phone call away. Can’t let that stop the Yankees from trading a player that isn’t really that important, let alone one that is really only being factored into plans for 3 years from now. Lots of stuff changes in 3 years.
Casey Blake has been released by the Rockettes
I literally laughed out loud three times watching Mad Men. Otherwise, it was a snore. Draper lost his edge, but I’m sure he will get it back a’s he realizes that Megan is a big baby. I think I saw a still pic of him with another woman in his lap. Visually, it’s not as stunning, but that’s more of a sign of the times.
Looking forward to more drama after getting everyone caught up on the characters.
Lots of stuff changes in 3 years.
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Everything except your “hyperbole”.
GreenBeret7 March 27th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Casey Blake has been released by the Rockettes
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Was he any good at the Christmass Show in Radio City Music Hall?
Everything except your “hyperbole”.
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Right you’ll still be around twisting arguments to their hyperbolic end. Going from people casually suggesting a trade for Dom Brown into drooling over the worst bust outfielder ever.
Dom Brown has 246 ML abs.
His ML numbers are about 1/2 of a full rookie year.
Surely GB7, someone with as much experience watching baseball as you, are not suggesting any evaluations can be made about this bat yet?
If the Yankees ever traded Eduardo Nunez I think it would speak (at least partially) to their confidence in Arod and Jeter staying healthy 2012, 2013 and 2014.
If the Yankees were to enter the market for a potential young cost-controlled starter at 3b or shortstop, it would be very expensive.
For RF, I would just sign Melky Cabrera
Trade done yet?
If the Yankees were to enter the market for a potential young cost-controlled starter at 3b or shortstop, it would be very expensive.
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The orioles got JJ Hardy for a reliever. Not even a good one.
Hardy is not young nor cost controlled.
Alright. The Great “Kitty” Carlyle is back pitching for the Braves.
Guerrero heading for Cleveland? Maybe.
m…..I agree with you, the writers are just establishing story lines for the season
“Hardy is not young nor cost controlled.”
It’s only a tad over 7M each year after factoring in his bonus.;)
What muscled guys were on the 2001 Rangers?
Dickey has written an autobiography, with some painful experiences in his youth.
But he also talks about the disgust he felt when he found a syringe needle on the floor of the clubhouse.
Yankee ST special on after game on yES. Jeter, Rivera, Rodriguez, Girardi, Sabathia interviews.
Curry and Carig also have a lot of quotes on twitter from Chamberlain on the accident.
Hardy is not young nor cost controlled.
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They got him in his prime at age 28, and kept him on the cheap. He is a great defender and provides offense at short stop.
“What muscled guys were on the 2001 Rangers?”
A who’s who of Gold’s Gym at Venice Beach:
http://www.baseball-reference......2001.shtml
Melky will make more than 7 million per year in the OF. Cost more to trade for him as well.
GB7,
How would you say they saw Joba? In good spirits?
Jerkface
Wouldn’t you think the Yankees valued Nova correctly seeing he was returned.
To me it seems they didn’t protect him because they deemed him not ready instead of not valuable.
“To me it seems they didn’t protect him because they deemed him not ready instead of not valuable.”
Likely both.
I’d rather have Melky and Nunez than Hardy and Brown.
Hardy had a year he hit .229? And then 6 HR?
I suppose you can get a guy like that cheap.
Wouldn’t you think the Yankees valued Nova correctly seeing he was returned.
To me it seems they didn’t protect him because they deemed him not ready instead of not valuable.
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No, if he was not ready AND valuable he would have been protected on the 40 man. That stops other teams from getting him for mostly free. David Phelps and DJ Mitchell were protected. Noesi was protected. Nova was let go because he wasn’t valuable enough to keep protected at the expense of other more valuable players.
The Yankees could have lost Ivan Nova forever and only had 50k to show for it.
Baltimore got Hardy from the Twins after back to back bad and injury filled years.
I suppose you can get a guy like that cheap.
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You really want to start picking a part a player in that manner? It won’t be kind to Nunez if you want to go that route. Or with Melky.
JF
On Nova…We agree completely, we got lucky.
You want to pick apart how hard it is to find a young cost controlled 3b or shortstop who is potentially a starter?
You point to a buy low salvage project that worked out (JJ Hardy).
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Baltimore got Hardy from the Twins after back to back bad and injury filled years.
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His 2010 was alright, but this plays into the point about Brown. The Orioles managed to win a trade before any of the parties even played a game because the Twins did not like how Hardy played (they wanted him to bunt and hit more singles, which isnt his game). They got a very good player out of the deal for the cost of a 10 ERA reliever and a prospect in A ball. He isn’t a perfect player by any means, but he has power at SS and plays very, very solid defense.
If only we could extrapolate this scenario to a talented OFer that is also being held down by the organization that currently possesses him…
luis March 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
GB7,
How would you say they saw Joba? In good spirits?
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Haven’t seen the clip of the Chamberlain interview, yet, but, from what they tweeted, not up or down, except for missing more time. Says he still wouldn’t change things because he got time with his son. Says being a father is the most important part for him.
Kind of a rare case. And the yankees would never have done that. Teams like the Orioles have to take those chances. Not the Yanks.
You want to pick apart how hard it is to find a young cost controlled 3b or shortstop who is potentially a starter?
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They don’t need either right now. Nunez hasn’t proven anything about being a starter, especially not at third or in the OF.
Kind of a rare case. And the yankees would never have done that. Teams like the Orioles have to take those chances. Not the Yanks.
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The Yankees did the same with Swisher.
It is also likely that Nova took that whole situation and used it as motivation to improve.
Brown isn’t being “held down”. They don’t feel he’s ready as a hitter and not a ML quality outfielder.
You can’t honestly sit there with a straight face and suggest the Yankees would have taken a chance on a shortstop hitting .229 one year followed by 6 HR the next year and lots of injuries on top of it.
I think you have us confused with desperate teams who don’t know how to plan ahead.
Infact, the Yankees took a bigger risk with Swisher, because he was owed more money over more years.
Not to mention the fact that Hardy was due to make money.
Villa Nova-Ya March 27th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
It is also likely that Nova took that whole situation and used it as motivation to improve
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It probably was. Good point.
Brown isn’t being “held down”. They don’t feel he’s ready as a hitter and not a ML quality outfielder.
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… think about that. Then think about holding a player down. Then think about this again. Then understand. Dude OPS’d .900 in spring, OPS’d .700 in the majors with a broken hamate bone last year. Not ready to hit ok.
GB7,
Thanks. I do understand him, and he has his heart where it is supposed to be. Good for him.
And so JJ Hardy’s case is representative of the typical cost for young, cost-controlled players who could potentially start at shortstop or third base…
Do you sniff your own farts too?
But, ST numbers don’t mean anything or so it’s been told on here…you know, SSS? and, yet, he’s hurt again.
You can’t honestly sit there with a straight face and suggest the Yankees would have taken a chance on a shortstop hitting .229 one year followed by 6 HR the next year and lots of injuries on top of it.
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1. He OPS’d better than Nunez in the year he hit 6 HRs, why you’re focusing on 6 HRs and not his total production is beyond me.
2. When JJ Hardy was Nunez’s age, he hit 26 HRs in the majors and was an all-star. For the price the Orioles paid, I think the Yankees would take a stab on that.
3. They took a similar stab on a guy that plays a less premium position and did arguably worse when that is factored in and who was owed more money for more years! JJ Hardy was set to make 5 million.
I can say with a very straight face that I think the Yankees, if they needed to, would have considered JJ hardy. Gosh they paid money for Russ Martin didn’t they? A guy coming off 2 abysmal years with a horrid injury history and with less track record than Hardy to man one of the most important positions on the field!
But, ST numbers don’t mean anything or so it’s been told on here…you know, SSS? and, yet, he’s hurt again.
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He OPS’d .950 in his first go around in AAA, after OPSing .900 in AA in the same year.
I think Nunez being asked to start a significant amount of games with the Yankees is a near certainty, but if you traded him, you could simultaneously trade another asset for a BUI.
It’s still not a typical case of the cost of cost-controlled shortstops and third baseman if the Yankees were to enter the market for one.
yawn
Could you get one cheap? Sure. Does that happen typically? nope. it’s rare. It’s a gamble. It’s a longshot. It’s not a smart way to do business…make yourself vulnerable to those odds.
Jerkface March 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Infact, the Yankees took a bigger risk with Swisher, because he was owed more money over more years.
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Was it a bigger risk or good scouting?
Nunez was worth negative WAR last year. He was below average even for short stops. He is not irreplaceable.
This is getting boring. Think i’ll go watch paint and plaster dry.
They gave up virtually nothing for Swisher though.
Was it a bigger risk or good scouting?
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Can’t it be both? Of course it was a bigger risk. More money, more expected production, longer contract. But they took that risk hoping their scouting would pay off (and actually it was some sabermetric stuff there too that told them about swisher bouncing back).
They gave up virtually nothing for Swisher though.
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The orioles gave up nothing for Hardy. Trying to argue the Yankees would not do the latter when they did the former is head scratching.
Rich in NJ March 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I think Nunez being asked to start a significant amount of games with the Yankees is a near certainty, but if you traded him, you could simultaneously trade another asset for a BUI.
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That was my point about not wanting to trade Nuñez. Whatever BUI you find is not going to be as good as Nuñez can be. I like Dom Brown, but i would trade for him for something else, like Joseph or Adams ( they need someone at 2nd base ) plus one of the lesser pitchers.
I love how Jerkface thinks that he can disprove trends by pointing out exceptions and then can sit there and suggest that the Yankees would model their business plan based on exceptions to trends.
I am doing nothing of the sort.
I’d love to get Brown, a change of scenery and a real chance could turn things around for him. His swing has seemed weird to me but he obviously has a lot of potential. As far as OF guys in our system go, I obviously love Mason Williams but he is not exactly on the brink yet.
You are the one, still lost in the irony of absolutes, who said the Yankees would never have made a trade for JJ hardy. Which is not only unprovable, but there is direct evidence to the contrary that happened just a short time ago!
Grandy scratched and Sanchez has thighs like tree trunks.
jnorris427
Here it is: The strange picture of Gary Sanchez standing at third base, waiting for a grounder that won’t come. http://lockerz.com/s/196300546
JF,
Yes he did have a negative WAR, but it was because of his defense. Still given enough reps he will overcome his issues on D. I thought that overall he looked real good and promising
Yes he did have a negative WAR, but it was because of his defen
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He was negative on O as well.
Jerkface March 27th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Was it a bigger risk or good scouting?
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Can’t it be both? Of course it was a bigger risk. More money, more expected production, longer contract. But they took that risk hoping their scouting would pay off (and actually it was some sabermetric stuff there too that told them about swisher bouncing back).
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Is this based on fact or opinion?
JF he had 0,5 oWAR, -1,2 dWAR.
Maine,
Hi!, i don´t know if you read my apologies. But again i meant it a s joke nothing else
Is this based on fact or opinion?
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Cashman mentioned they had numbers suggesting Swisher would bounce back.
JF he had 0,5 oWAR, -1,2 dWAR.
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BB-Ref: -8 Runs
Fangraphs -1.9 Batting
The only positives come from positional adjustment and replacement adjustment. But he was negative on offense and defense.
Have to go home, but later could you explain how to read the stats, because i have Nuñez Baseball reference page open, and it gives the info i posted before. Maybe i am reading it the wrong way.
Jerkface March 27th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Is this based on fact or opinion?
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Cashman mentioned they had numbers suggesting Swisher would bounce back.
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So that doesn’t sound like a risk but more about scouting.
If you look at the Player Value line, there is a column named Rbat. That is the number of runs he earned batting. It was -8. But he is given free runs from expected production above replacement level and by playing short stop (where bats are scarce). This is factored into his total WAR and will be the same for any player who gets playing time & plays at a position, but Nunez’s own contributions defensively and offensively were negative.
So that doesn’t sound like a risk but more about scouting.
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Its still a risk. How is it not? He didn’t have good production the year they traded for him. They only had their own opinion that they thought he would bounce back, it wasn’t a given. They still had the risk factored into his contract.
Jerkface March 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
So that doesn’t sound like a risk but more about scouting.
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Its still a risk. How is it not? He didn’t have good production the year they traded for him. They only had their own opinion that they thought he would bounce back, it wasn’t a given. They still had the risk factored into his contract.
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Everything has risk.
I guess you are placing more risk on that than I am.
I guess you are placing more risk on that than I am.
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Given the fact they traded for a guaranteed contract worth ~30 million, it was a risk. The Yankees could have done all the homework in the world to give them the most info to make the trade but it will still be a risk. If it backfired they would have been on the hook for his contract as the white sox kicked in no money. They mitigated risk by trading garbage (so no big loss if he didn’t pan out) and by making sure they thought he was a good case to bounce back. The Orioles did the same with Hardy, they took a player they only had to keep for 1 year at a cheap salary, traded nothing for him. If it didn’t work out it would have been no big deal, but it worked out pretty great. Just like Swisher.