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LoHud Yankees chat starts at noon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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  1. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I’m ready to enter the chat room.

  2. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    blake March 28th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I would expect them to start Depaula at either extended ST or SI and then see where he is….as Stuckey said ….a lot willing depend on how many innings they want him to throw….
    —————–

    Has DePaula thrown the ball at all in the last year and a half?

    I would agree with the notion of him opening at extended spring.

  3. blake March 28th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “Has DePaula thrown the ball at all in the last year and a half?”

    Yes….my understanding is that he’s been working out at the Yankee complex down there pretty much the whole time.

  4. Benny Blanco March 28th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “That said, what I think happens from parsing the quotes is they are going to keep Garcia and send down Nova. Cashman can’t risk sending down Pineda, an all star last season, while Montero is hitting in the middle of the order for the M’s. They’ll treat Nova like the red headed step child and secretly feel that slighting him motivates him like it did last season.”

    BIG MISTAKE!!!!!

    If I was nova, I would want to be traded. Let the kid pitch. Sending him to AAA does not make him better.

  5. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “For the record, I’m weary of granting any of these guys (Nova, Garcia, and Hughes) a rotation spot based on what they did last season. I’d rather they stick with the ST evaluation.. and I don’t know that Nova is making enough of a case for himself at the moment.”

    yankees whip spring training:

    hughes- 0.98

    phelps- 1.09

    garcia- 1.14

    kuroda- 1.16

    mitchell – 1.17

    nova- 1. 22

    sabathia- 1.36

    pineda – 1.47

    whip is probably a better indicator than era so what do you do with the above?

    if you value whip, using your idea for going by spring training results, sabthia and pineda and nova aren’t in the rotation.

  6. blake March 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    If they send Nova down then it’ll be because he made a couple of mistake pitches in ST games…..which would be beyond dumb….he’s been really good for a lot of his last two starts and he’s earned the spot.

  7. jacksquat March 28th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    WHIP does not tell you if a guy is giving up weak singles or bombs and a bunch of shots in the gaps. Can’t use WHIP alone.

    And I should also point out that Garcia had a 6 ERA last spring and then had a good season. So the eyeball test counts, with emphasis on how they are looking right about now. I wish they would put the starts up against the major league teams instead of the minor leaguers.

  8. jacksquat March 28th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    *starters*

  9. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    I think it’s Garcia in the pen and delay the decision until Pettitte is a factor.

  10. Benny Blanco March 28th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Grandy’s mri negative!!! Thank you.

  11. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    randy – I meant in comparison to each other. We already know that CC, Pineda and KURODA are in the rotation.

    The competition is between Hughes, Nova, and Garcia. Admittedly, Garcia and Nova have been neck in neck.. which is why I think they end up going with the vet as the ‘tie-breaker.’

    Again, I’d prefer they put Garcia in the pen as well. I just don’t expect it or see it as the path of least resistance.

  12. kd March 28th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    my guess is that garcia gets sent to the pen

    you gotta let nova develop, in the very least to be a trading chip once any gets back

  13. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “. We already know that CC, Pineda and KURODA are in the rotation.”

    shame-

    why do we know pineda is in the rotation. he showed up fat and out of shape when he was supposed to come into camp to learn how to be a future ace or at worst a #2.

    how does pineda staying up if nova goes down send the right message to young yankee pitchers in the minors?

    if pineda gets a free pass, what’s his incentive to showing up in shape next year?

    or are the yankees going to give pineda star treatment before he’s earned even one pinstripe?

  14. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “. We already know that CC, Pineda and KURODA are in the rotation.”

    shame-

    why do we know pineda is in the rotation. he showed up fat and out of shape when he was supposed to come into camp to learn how to be a future ace or at worst a #2.
    ——————————

    Hughes did the same thing last season and they let him start. *shrugs*

    All is fair in love and baseball.

  15. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “how does pineda staying up if nova goes down send the right message to young yankee pitchers in the minors?”

    If the Yankees have worried about this even once in the last 80 years I’d be shocked…

  16. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “If the Yankees have worried about this even once in the last 80 years I’d be shocked…”

    They cared about it in about 1993-94 as Stick and Buck assembled the young core that turned this team around. Before or since, not so much.

  17. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    /about

  18. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    “They cared about it in about 1993-94 as Stick and Buck assembled the young core that turned this team around. Before or since, not so much.”

    The Yankees cared about hurting the feelings of their minor leaguers?? Or Stick just knew talent when he saw it and wanted to retain it? IMO there’s kind of a difference. I don’t think they’re making any rotation decisions based on what their AAA may feel as a result.

  19. jacksquat March 28th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Pineda was not fat. Overweight a little, sure. But 20 pounds on a big 6’7″ frame is nothing. I think people think what an extra 20 pounds is on their own bodies. And he was/is still not as big as CC, so his size means zero.

    Now if you want to say he could have worked on his strength a little more before spring training, I can maybe see that argument.

  20. blake March 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    How do you pay 2 billion dollars for the Dodgers AND let McCourt keep half the parking rights?

  21. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “The Yankees cared about hurting the feelings of their minor leaguers??”

    nah, f them. there are plenty of other teams like seattle where the yankees can get better pitchers.

  22. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    matter of fact, most business do well if they reward people from outside the organization at the expense of people within it.

    it’s a known blueprint for success.

  23. Benny Blanco March 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Yankees signed jack cust to minor league deal.

  24. blake March 28th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “Yankees signed jack cust to minor league deal.”

    Why not….

  25. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    ow do you pay 2 billion dollars for the Dodgers AND let McCourt keep half the parking rights?

    ____________________________

    TV.

  26. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    if pineda gets a free pass, what’s his incentive to showing up in shape next year?

    ____________________________

    The hundreds of millions of dollars he could potentially earn as a ML ballplayer?

    Just a shot in the dark…

  27. blake March 28th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    TV.”
    Sure….but are they gonna start their own network? How long would that take? I know this is a deal based on TV potential but id be worried about revenues until then with that purchase price and with McCourt getting a big chunk of the parking still……

  28. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    “The hundreds of millions of dollars he could potentially earn as a ML ballplayer?

    Just a shot in the dark…”

    lionel-

    how’d that work this spring?

  29. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    blake,

    Their current TV deal expires in 2013.

    Fox has an exclusive window of like 45-90 days to negotiate a new deal this fall, but I suspect that will expire and the rights will go to the open market.

    Now, they could just get a standard monster deal, start a new Regional Sports Network in 2014, or get a hybrid of the two, like the Lakers got from Time Warner.

    TW is creating TWO dedicated Laker channels, one in English and one in Spanish.

    The Dodgers are almost certainly going to start their own RSN, OR get some sort of record-setting deal from Fox or TW that will be just like the Lakers deal-plus.

    My money is on the former.

  30. blake March 28th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Stuckey,

    How much does it cost to start a sports network? Add that onto the 2 billion they just spent on the teammates…and factor in that the team isn’t particularly any good right now and Id still be worried about staying afloat in the short term if I were there owners…..but I guess that any they have billions of dollars and I don’t……

  31. m March 28th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    It’s been hinted/written that the three “locks” are CC/Kuroda/Hughes.

    I think Joe G. will also be looking at velocity in Pineda’s next start.

  32. blake March 28th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Their owners.

  33. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Change-up,

    I suspect the same way it worked for Montero each of the last 2 years (suspended both years) and Gary Sanchez and Phil Hughes last year.

    Sometimes you’re not aware of your actions until confronted with the ramifications. Hughes probably didn’t think he came to camp out of shape last year, or thought it would contribute to a drop in performance. But he got to experience the difference and it had an impact.

    Sometimes you learn the hard way. If his so-far diminished velocity can in fact be attributed to a moderate weight gain, Pineda may simply learn from the experience.

    Like Hughes/Montero/Sanchez, will will learn what Pineda takes away from the experience in the future.

    The point is simple:

    1.) NOT spending a few weeks in AAA.
    2.) 100′s of million of dollars.

    You tell me the greater motivational tool?

  34. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    “You tell me the greater motivational tool?”

    lionel-

    how about a nice choo choo train for christmas?

  35. jacksquat March 28th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    m March 28th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    It’s been hinted/written that the three “locks” are CC/Kuroda/Hughes.

    I haven’t seen these “hints” about Hughes. Where are they?

  36. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    “The Yankees cared about hurting the feelings of their minor leaguers?? Or Stick just knew talent when he saw it and wanted to retain it? IMO there’s kind of a difference. I don’t think they’re making any rotation decisions based on what their AAA may feel as a result.”

    Stick dumped Mel Hall because he was a POS and messed with Bernie’s head.

    Buck did a lot to build Pettitte’s confidence early on.

  37. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    It’s silly to think they would go from beckoning Nova to be their #2 savior down the stretch and in the playoffs to him not making the team because of a couple bad pitches in spring training.

    Some of you really seem like you’re rooting for Pineda or Nova to start the year in AAA and rooting against Freddy Garcia to the pen.

  38. champ809 March 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Pineda,Nova,Hughesie are in and Freddy is in the ‘pen until Pettite shows up then the worst performing of the 3 of the ” young guns ” will rotate to the 6th starter/long man role and Freddy will get traded.

    If the Yanks could work out a trade for Maxwell- who I’d rather see make the squad at Ibanez’s expense- then they should target Fernando Martinez or get Jimmy Paredes back. He’s a better,switch hitting version of Nunez…better glove @ 3B/SS/2B…more power and 40 steals type guy…

    They could entertain the idea of trading Nunez to Philly for Dominic Brown and trading Maxwell to Houston for Paredes…send both Paredes and Brown to AAA for some polishing up and promote Pena to back-up SS with Chavez backing up 3B until he’s on the DL in May in which case Laird gets the call up to back up 3B.

  39. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    blake,

    No one is cashing a check from $2m dollars anytime soon. It’s not all sitting in cash in a bank someplace.

    Almost certainly this is a structured deal (meaning payment will occur over time) with most of the “purchase” fund being leveraged over a long period of time.

    Liquidity is not going to be an issue in the short-term.

    I couldn’t pretend to know what it cost to start a RSN. I suspect very cheaply in context of $2B.

    The main cost, programming, is already there. You instantly earn return by selling the rights fees to cable providers and advertising (YES double-dips, revenue comes from rights fees cable providers pay to YES and advertising revenue).

    Its essentially production costs, which if I had to take a wild stab in the dark, gotta imagine can be done with 8-figure-like start-up costs.

  40. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    “Stick dumped Mel Hall because he was a POS and messed with Bernie’s head.”

    yup, hall used to all the time call bernie “bambi” (as in deer in headlights) and bernie hated it.

  41. Duh Innings March 28th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....2k3tMDeR9M

    LOL @ Brian Cashman taking a shot at Kevin Brown Brown deserves.

    What isn’t funny about this article is it sounds like he/the Yankees plan to still give Chamberlain $1.675M for this year when they shouldn’t as he did a stupid thing which might knock him out for all of this season moreover he might not pitch at all this season or be good in the time he pitches if he comes back. That’s too much money even if he came back as early as July (half-season.) Spare me the “he was being a father” crap when I know he was and that isn’t what people are annoyed about. He’s rehabbing and he’s on trampolines? Spare me trampoline injuries are rare. Yeah, that means they still happen. He could’ve easily stood next to a trampoline, caught and lifted his kid, released him etc. and that would’ve been just as good a time had as if he was on the trampoline. No, what Chamberlain did isn’t Kevin Brown punching a wall, but it isn’t that far from it. Trampolines should definitely be on the no-no list of activities for players in future contracts.

    The Yanks should offer Chamberlain $1.675M for 2012-13 ($837,500 per year) he’d take cuz he’d have money coming in for this season and next, still make $1.675M just across two years not for one year, and he’d be in his walk season next season anyway. If he didn’t pitch this year and the 2013 salary was a base salary where Chamberlain could make more money based on number of appearances and innings pitched, he’d essentially be paid $837,500 to rehab (2012) and at least $837,500 to pitch (2013.) I doubt he’d balk at that and he’d have some nerve if he did considering the stupid thing he did so close to his return.
    This could be seen as the Yanks penalizing him for half of what he could’ve made this year (paying him half of $1.675M for 2012), but is he in any position whatsoever to grouse about pay? And since when was he guaranteed $1.675M? It was a NON-guaranteed contract which means if he was awful in spring training he could’ve been sent back to AAA if he has an option left, signed for less money, traded, put on waivers, or released. He’s lucky he wasn’t released cuz if he was I seriously doubt he would receive any offers from anyone until at least the point when he’d have a definite return time and if he received any offers they’d all be minor-league contracts or one-year deals nowhere close to being as much as $1.675M.

  42. Duh Innings March 28th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Chamberlain’s 2012 pay should be the least of the Yankees’ and Chamberlain’s concerns.

    The Yanks will pay Chamberlain something to keep him, but paying him $1.675M for 0-3 months of pitching would be ridiculous. That’s my point.

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