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Pregame notes: Rotation decision coming soon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said he might announce his rotation within three or four days. He’d like to have a “pretty good idea” as the Yankees enter their final turn through the spring training rotation.

“I think there are little things that each guy can work on a little bit to help us make our decision,” Girardi said.

He specifically mentioned Ivan Nova’s fastball command, Michael Pineda’s changeup, Phil Hughes cutter and Freddy Garcia’s workload as things he’s paying attention to. Nova will pitch in a minor league game tomorrow, and Garcia will likely pitch in a minor league game Friday. The last turn through the rotation essentially begins when CC Sabathia makes his final start on Sunday. After that, every starter will pitch once before making his regular season debut.

“Can you make a wrong decision?” Girardi said. “I don’t know.”

• Curtis Granderson is going for his MRI later this morning. We might know something about the results by the end of this afternoon’s game.

• Girardi acknowledged that it’s likely the team will carry a second left-handed reliever and the choice is between veteran Clay Rapada and Rule 5 pick Cesar Cabral. The Yankees more or less know what Rapada can do, but they have to evaluate Cabral. “Educated guess of what his upside is,” Girardi said.

• Either Cabral or Rapada would likely serve as the true lefty specialist. Boone Logan would be more of a middle reliever similar to Cory Wade, used to pitch to both lefties and righties. “I don’t consider Booney such a specialty left-hander,” Girardi said.

• Girardi also acknowledged that he’s planned all along to have Hiroki Kuroda be the No. 2 starter. “I think we had a pretty decent idea that was where we would probably slot him,” Girardi said.

• The Yankees are definitely planning to carry 12 pitchers.

• D.J. Mitchell gets the start tomorrow, with David Phelps scheduled to pitch after him. Essentially, those two will split the big league game against the Orioles.

• Phil Hughes and Michael Pineda are throwing sides today. Andy Pettitte and CC Sabathia are throwing sides tomorrow.

• Two interesting names added to today’s group of minor league additions: Tyler Austin and Cito Culver. Austin is scheduled to play, Culver is not. Mitch Abeita, Walter Ibarra and Abe Almonte are also up from minor league camp but not scheduled to play.

• Today’s available pitchers: Hiroki Kuroda, Cory Wade, Adam Warren, George Kontos, Cesar Cabral, Juan Cedeno, Cory Arbiso, Ryan Flannery and Pat Venditte.

• Today’s second string: C Gustavo Molina, 1B Addison Maruszak, 2B Jayson Nix, SS Doug Bernier, 3B Bill Hall, LF Tyler Austin, CF none, RF none.

• Don’t forget that I’ll be hosting a chat today at noon. Stop by if you can.

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138 Responses to “Pregame notes: Rotation decision coming soon”

  1. blake March 28th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    “Rather watch that than our game”

    At this point in the spring id rather watch any of the minor league games than the big leagues game……the players are over ST by now and are just trying g to get there work in and not get hurt……they should really probably shorten ST by about a week IMO….for the most part teams are ready to go now……this year its helping the Yanks though because of the minor injuries etc….

  2. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Joe from Long Island March 28th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    maxwell to the o’s? that would indicate a willingness of angelos to deal with nyy. but, i guess amazing things can happen.
    ———————

    Doesn’t necessarily mean that the O’s would deal with the Yankees – but it’s a great indication that the Yankees have no shot of slipping Maxwell through waivers.

    They have to trade this kid or find a spot on the 25 for him.

  3. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    MTU March 28th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Shame-

    Are those exact calculations or just approximations ?

    You only carried them out several decimal places so I was wondering.

    :)
    ——————————–

    Just an approximation, MTU – I’m a baseball fan not a doctor! (…or something!)

    fem – Being an elite player does help… sometimes. But usually its the opposite, where playing poorly just makes you look less attractive. Like Alex is an elite player but he doesn’t have the quiver factor for me. Pavano on the other hand looks just how I like ‘em: dumb and confused (and Italian)… but I couldn’t bring myself to enjoy the view.

  4. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    “they should really probably shorten ST by about a week IMO”

    And then we wouldn’t need to have the WS in November – what a concept!

  5. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    My Picks :

    Clay Rapada

    My Ro:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Nova
    Pineda

    (Garcia in reserve)

    :)

  6. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Chad, Cito said he was playing for 3 innings, guess he was misinformed??

    Blake, yeah, as per last thread would rather watch the kids, and our young pitchers working on their respective pitches than major league player ST at this point. Seattle-A’s game was a big tease. I am ready for games that count.

  7. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Chip
    There’s very little reason for the Orioles or the Astros to trade for Justin Maxwell if they believe he might be waived. As low teams on the totem pole, they would have a beter chance of getting him for nothing.

  8. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    The June Rotation :

    CC
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Hughes
    The better of Nova/Pineda

    :)

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Yup Blake, I’m ready for the real thing.

    Yankeefem, that’s a shame. But wasn’t counting on the B’s pitching at Lehigh. I’ may go, though, any way, to see Warren or DJ. Syracuse is over 4 hour drive.

    The Mets really, really suck. May they do nothing but lose and may no one attend their games.

    See you all later.

  10. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Pruf, AAA and AA rotations actually may still be up in the air; seems everyone is pitching next couple of days. There are a bunch of off days next week, so we shall see.

  11. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Syracuse is too far this early in season. If I make that trip want them to be in a groove and going deep. Later, Pruf.

  12. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    MTU-

    Yes I believe now that Girardi will bring one of Cabral or Rapada north, and think if it’s a pure LOOGY[reading between the lines here], it’ll be Rapada, with Cabral going back to the Red Sox.

  13. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Shame, lol.

  14. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Pruf, just saw your post; we’ll probably go to Friday game to see hopefully DJ in LHV, but still holding out hope that it’s a B.

    Trenton has a 10:30 game mid week before OD at NYS, another possibility. Villa, there’s a day game for you if you travel to Trenton…

  15. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Minor Notes from “It’s About the Money”

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/

  16. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Also from attached article:

    If Joba doesn’t play at all in 2012 he won’t get an arbitration raise next winter, and then he’ll be eligible for free agency after 2013.
    .

  17. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Chip
    There’s very little reason for the Orioles or the Astros to trade for Justin Maxwell if they believe he might be waived. As low teams on the totem pole, they would have a beter chance of getting him for nothing.
    ———————–

    I agree completely.

    I take the report of their interest as more of a cautionary alert to the Yankees that they shouldn’t try to slide Maxwell through waivers like they did Dickerson. If he’s not going to be on the 25 man roster (and I don’t see how he will be unless the injuries to Granderson or Swisher are severe enough to cost one a trip to the DL) then the Yankees need to find a trade partner who has a lower waiver priority.

  18. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Chip-

    Now if the Astros want him, he has to pass thru the AL first and then the Astros might want to work a deal, rather than letting the O’s get him for nothing. The Yankees might be able to trade him for probably no more than a fringe prospect.
    Do the Astros have any young OF’ers that might be of interest if the Yankees expanded the trade?

  19. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    YT-

    Joe G. like versatality.

    In that sense Cabral might be a better option for him.

    Me. I just want another LOOGY. Rapada certainly is that. He’s deadly in that mode.

    Guess we’ll see which way they go soon enough.

    ;)

  20. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Yankeefeminista -

    Hah! Unfortunately will miss that game. I’ll be out of town. :(

  21. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    This is what happened to me all last season. As many games as I went to, that’s as many that I had planned to attend and had to cancel because of other commitments. :(

  22. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Innings/Hitsallowed/BB/SO/BAA/WHIP

    Rapada 8.1/3/3/11/.107/0.72

    Cabral 10.1/11/2/12/.262/1.26

    Cabral has a slightly better WHIP when facing righties.

    If the decision was today-Rapada makes the team, if Girardi is intent on taking another lefty.

  23. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    And why I can’t do season ticket plans. :(

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    “maybe, but imagine Yankee fans if pineda losses his first start…”

    Actually, I’m thinking that other than any Y fans who are totally polarized, there wouldn’t be any great spinning out if Pineda were to lose his first start – whenever that may be. After all CC lost his first start with the Yankees and I didn’t see any major flipping out. That said, I’m not thinking he’ll lose his first start with the Yankees.

    You have to remember that the trade for Pineda was hailed as a great one for the Yankees. And as upset as fans were (me being one) I think that the majority understood the reason(s) for the trade and as such didn’t curse the gods but rather decided to just let things flow.

  25. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    YT-

    Depends if you are going by #’s only.

    There are many considerations.

    ;)

  26. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    When are the little ones playing in the Cuse?

    I have a friend up there… may need to call in a housing favor ;)

  27. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    ERA
    Rapada 0.00
    Cabral 1.74

    Wade 7.04/BAA .375/ WHIP 1.70

  28. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Just to stir the pot, I’d have to mention that the trade was heralded as a great one for the Yankees before Pineda opened ST with a decrease in velocity. (I’m just stirring the pot; I think he will be fine and both sides will be happy with the trade going forward.)

  29. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    YT-

    I do not only go by #’s.

    I’m “Old School” too.

    Throw away your binder YT before it’s too late.

    :)

  30. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Pineda will get his first start in Baltimore, his second at home vs the Twins, in all likelihood. He’ll be 2-0. :)

  31. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    YT-

    All of our starters will have 15 + wins.

    ;)

  32. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 10:12 am e
    Chad, Cito said he was playing for 3 innings, guess he was misinformed??

    —-

    It’s possible he’s going to play a little bit, but it wasn’t listed on the sheet in the Yankees clubhouse. Those things change from time to time without it being announced. If Culver’s saying he’s supposed to play, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him get in.

  33. austinmac March 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Absent some clear meltdown by one of the starters this week, I believe Garcia will go to the pen. While he has never relieved, he is a professional pitcher who could adapt, I believe. Likewise, he will not get an attitude. He will do his job and wait for a starting opening here or elsewhere.

    I can’t imagine the Yankees getting anything for Maxwell that is of value. That said, I would deal his to the Astros for whatever they will give. The team will keep Ibanez(they must like his swing and misses). I don’t like the O’s getting anyone so trade him elsewhere.

  34. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Except for the Andy and the guy he exchanges plaes with.

    ;)

  35. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    MTU-

    Then you must feel that Ibanez still has it in him, no matter what you’ve seen of his bat speed while watching his at bats?

    Just tweaking you!

  36. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    sp: places. sorry.

  37. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    YT-

    You’re playin’ with Fire Man.

    :)

  38. Bronx Jeers March 28th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I vow to go to a Staten Island game this season. A little lohud influence rubbing off on me.

    Are any of Mason , Sanchez , Bichette etc expected to be there this summer?

  39. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Trader -

    I don’t know anything about the Houston system.

    The only young OFs I know on that team are Jordan Shaeffer and Fernando Martinez and quite frankly I don’t want either of them.

  40. blake March 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    ,Are any of Mason , Sanchez , Bichette etc expected to be there this summer?”

    I think they are all supposed to be at Charleston …..Depaula may be at SI though.

  41. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    mac-

    We’ll see. I’m not convinced on where Freddy winds up.

  42. blake March 28th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Game is on espn today

  43. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Blake-

    DePaula is way too good for SI IMO.

  44. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    MTU-

    I’m still laughing about your earlier comment on Andruw Jones: :)

    “Maybe you’re right but he seems to have a lot of balls with an unusual degree of authority.”

  45. rm March 28th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Can they trade Maxwell to Boston for the right to keep Cabral on the 40 man roster (but not the 25)?

  46. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    rm March 28th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Can they trade Maxwell to Boston for the right to keep Cabral on the 40 man roster (but not the 25)?
    ———–

    They would have to return Cabral to Boston first, but after that – sure. I don’t think either team would do it though. The Red Sox could use a left handed reliever more than they need Maxwell (even with Crawford’s latest set back)

  47. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    YT-

    What can I say ? I went to the GB school of typing and spelling.

    Nice when you’re mistakes are better than you original comments.

    I’d rather be lucky than good.

    :)

  48. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Like in politics, there are people who are actually fascinated by legislation, policy and procedure.

    They’re called wonks.

    We’re all Yankee/baseball wonks. Our appetite for news and information greatly exceeds the level of your standard observer/fan.

    The “controversy” over the trade exists almost exclusively within won circles. And even within wonk circles the trade was well received.

    The early results for Pineda/Montero are not only going to have to be extreme, but extremely contrasting for any controversy to arise above wonk levels.

    For instance, not only will Pineda have to be VERY ineffective, Montero will have to be VERY effective at the same time for this to get an traction.

    EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion (how often they want to express the same opinion is a different matter), but what opinions also need to be kept in perspective.

    This is a wonk issue, and will continue to be unless something very, very extreme in nature occurs.

  49. Tarheel In NYC March 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Does anyone out there have an idea of when SI Yankees individual game tix go on sale? I’d like to attend some games this season.

    Thank you in advance :)

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    I don’t have a lot of forum time today but I am kind of fascinated by the on-going “debate” about whether the catcher or pitcher is the one who should be making the calls. In a case where a pitcher just wants to go with the catcher (Andy Pettitte), then of course there is no question. But I’ve seen people in the game stack up on both sides. You would expect pitchers to say it should be the pitcher’s call – and they have. But just the other day Girardi said the pitcher needs to make that decision (when Nova went with Molina’s call) – and that’s coming from a catcher!

    I come down on the side of the pitcher, if there is any question at all. Nobody knows better what a pitcher has working on a particular day than the pitcher himself. And we know that there was lots of discussion in the past about catchers who would always call for a pitch to be placed in a certain location so that they could showcase their arm! Wrong wrong wrong to do that!

    Anyway, I’ve been reading a great book, The Glory of Their Times, stories about the early days of baseball, with the stories coming from the players themselves. As I was reading George Gibson’s story, one line screamed out at me: “The pitcher’s job is to do what his catcher tells him to do!” That was coming from his knowledge of the game as a catcher and his belief that it is the catcher’s responsibility to know every opposing hitter!

    Hmmm. Definitely something to be said for both sides!

  51. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Isn’t the issue how many innings DePaula can pitch this year?

    Do you send him to Charleston and just shut him down when he reaches what will likely be a fairly conservative limit? Or keep him in Tampa until short season ball begins?

  52. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Have to go: Predictions based on if ST ended today:

    Garcia goes to pen, although Nova has been the worst among starters so far.

    Rapada goes North with the team as a pure LOOGY. Cabral goes north with the Red Sox.

    Astros, rather than wait for the Orioles to snap Maxwell up on waivers, trade a fringe player for him.

    Have a great day.

  53. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Another stupid thing broadcasting the game on tape delay, MLB tweeted the results of the original game when it ended, along with highlights (Ackerley’s HR and Ichiro’s double).

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    “This is a wonk issue, and will continue to be unless something very, very extreme in nature occurs.”

    Agree.

  55. DONNYBROOK March 28th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Signing Ibanez and probably dealing Maxwell, is Cashman at his finest. The Ibanez signing, is Nick Johnson all over again, except Ibanez is gonna kill us ON-the-field. Ibanez will hit an occasional Dinger, but the guy is toast. I could see dealing Maxwell, if the Yanks were using that roster spot for Damon, or some other veteran that has some gas left in the tank. Ibanez is simply played-out.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    I’ll be advertising these for the next several days. Anyone of wants to get in on the prediction chart has to do it before opening day.

    2012 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    And if you want a chance at winning the grand prize of Ritter Sports Bars, you probably should also give a prediction for the chart in the next post – Sux wins. That’s in the case of a tie on the Y’s chart!

    Have a great day all.

  57. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Would the Phillies consider Maxwell, Ramiro Pena and a lower level prospect for Dom Brown?

    I’ll admit – I have no clue how the Phillies feel about Brown so this could be a complete undervalue on him.

  58. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    YT-

    Have a good one.

    And if can’t have a good one. Have a lucky one.

    And if you can’t have a good one or a lucky one.

    Have a good and lucky one.

    ;)

  59. austinmac March 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    MTU,

    I think we shold probably see Depaula pitch a professional inning before we prsume to know where he is developmentally. It has had to have been delayed by his visa issue.

    Does he have any winter ball stats?

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    2012 SUXIAN FUTILITY CHART

    If you’re going to give me a prediction, please put my name in the post.

  61. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    ‘The June Rotation :

    CC
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Hughes
    The better of Nova/Pineda”

    mtu-

    pitching strength can evaporate quickly with injuries or sudden ineffectiveness, but this yankee pitching staff is kind of a weird collection of pitchers.

    pettitte ,as usual ,because of his indecisiveness has created confusion with the pitching staff.

    pettitte puts the yankees in a position where they don’t quite know what they have so i think the yankees need to do nothing until pettitte actually pitches and pitches well.

    if an out of shape pineda, by his own choice, comes to the yankees and is given a spot in the rotation when he was supposed to use spring training to establish an improved change up, the yankees are just enabling bad behavior .

    this sends a bad message to the other pitchers, especially guys like nova who have done everything right in the system and proved themselves actually pitching under pressure in a pennant race with the yankees.

    pineda starting ahead of nova in the rotation sends the wrong message to both pineda and everyone else.

    having everything revolving around pettitte’s whims and indecisions each year also sends him the wrong message and tells him he can keep doing it. does anyone thing if he has a good year that he’ll let the yankees know early in the fall whether he’ll play in 2013 so they can plan their pitching staff?

    the yankees enabling of both pineda and pettitte send them and the other yankee pitchers the wrong message.

    that said, the yankees can use both of them as a stregth by sending pineda to triple a and telling pettitte he’ll have to wait for the right time to start and that they are thinking of him more for the second half and the playoffs.

  62. rm March 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Chip,
    I don’t think Boston would get to keep Cabral because this is his second time claimed via rule 5. I think he needs to clear waivers before he is returned to boston.

  63. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    See ya’ Later Trisha.

    :)

  64. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    DONNYBROOK March 28th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Signing Ibanez and probably dealing Maxwell, is Cashman at his finest. The Ibanez signing, is Nick Johnson all over again, except Ibanez is gonna kill us ON-the-field. Ibanez will hit an occasional Dinger, but the guy is toast. I could see dealing Maxwell, if the Yanks were using that roster spot for Damon, or some other veteran that has some gas left in the tank. Ibanez is simply played-out.
    ==================

    I like Maxwell as much as anyone, but he’s a replaceable player. I don’t think the Yankees (or fans) will look back at the end of the season and think that Ibanez vs. Maxwell is what won or lost the season for the Yankees.

  65. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I think Nova will be the odd man out.

    Uncle Joe will always go with the vet. Sort of the Yankee way, isn’t it?

  66. Ys Guy March 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    nice to see the m’s put thier can’t-miss generational bats back to back, smoak and montero.

  67. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Randy,

    Is the change-up not the most pressing reason Michael Pineda needs to go to AAA THIS week?

    I just want to keep track.

  68. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “nice to see the m’s put thier can’t-miss generational bats back to back, smoak and montero.”

    ysguy-

    sounds like you are rooting against montero.

    if that’s true , why?

  69. DONNYBROOK March 28th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    - CHIP -
    “For want of a nail, the battle was lost”.

  70. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Mac-

    DePaula is a stud. He’s very adavnced. Think of a more mature Campos.

    Randy-

    The Yankees don’t send messages in general from I can tell and if they do they are smoke signals.

    They tend to take the path of least resistance like many teams do.

    They seem to be risk-averse and very conventional. Generally play it safe.

    Don’t expect them to do anything all that creative.

    ;)

  71. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “nice to see the m’s put thier can’t-miss generational bats back to back, smoak and montero.”

    ysguy-

    sounds like you are rooting against montero.

    if that’s true , why?
    ————–

    There’s a difference between rooting against Montero and mocking the insanely overblown way in which people have been gushing over him.

  72. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “The Yankees don’t send messages in general from I can tell and if they do they are smoke signals.”

    Cashman’s objective pipe in full effect.

  73. upstate kate March 28th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Shame
    The Empire State Yankees are playing in ‘cuse April 7-10 (away)14&15 (considered home), June 14-17 (home), July 12-15 (1st 2 are home, last 2 are away)
    They are also in Rochester quite a bit, I already have tix for one game.
    It is a bonus for those of us loyal fans who live in N or W NY!

  74. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Rotation and pen:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Pineda
    Hughes

    Pen:
    RHP: Rivera, Soriano, Robertson, Garcia
    LHP: Logan, Rapada, Cabral

    The other possibility is that the Yankees open the season with four starters leaving the fifth at extended spring training because he won’t be needed for the first week.

  75. Ys Guy March 28th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    im rooting for montero, i hope he does great, i also have smoak on2 of my fbb teams so im rooting for him and if montero has a great year, smoak will be even better.

  76. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Chip-

    IMO they’re taking Wade North.

    Not goin’ w 3 lefties.

    I know Wade’s ST #’s have sucked but I think they still like him and believe he can be effective.

  77. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    “I just want to keep track.”

    Lionel,

    since you like to go around in circles all day long with everyone, here’s a site you might want to look at for your new hobby.

    http://www.lionel.com/CentralStation/

  78. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    “im rooting for montero, i hope he does great, i also have smoak on2 of my fbb teams so im rooting for him and if montero has a great year, smoak will be even better.”

    sounds good. looks like i was reading sarcasm into your post that wasn’t there.

  79. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    So Montero the DH is batting .000

  80. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    MTU -

    I don’t disagree with how they feel about Wade – but keeping him down gives the Yankees time to see if Repada and Cabral can duplicate their strong springs once the bell rings.

    The other possibility is seeing what some other team comes offering for one of the two lefties.

  81. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Chip-

    Guess we’ll see soon enough which way they’re gonna go.

  82. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    fem – Thanks! I’m eying those July dates.. (f*ck the Mets.)

  83. austinmac March 28th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    MTU,

    We fans have seen Depaula throw a few BP pitches. I try to temper optimism with reality. Let’s see the 21 year old with no professional experience pitch before we annoint him as the next big thing.

    I don’t know how he can be that advanced with such limited experience.

  84. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Depaula looks really raw in the video footage. I think he threw 2 strikes out of 15-20 pitches. I’m not excited about him yet.

  85. upstate kate March 28th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    that was me Shame, and you are welcome

  86. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “They tend to take the path of least resistance like many teams do.

    They seem to be risk-averse and very conventional. Generally play it safe.

    Don’t expect them to do anything all that creative.”

    mtu-

    i would think garcia to the bullpen would be the path of least resistance.

    if they send nova down that’s just wrong.

    the kid did everything he was supposed to do last year in a pennant race no less.

    i guarantee that behind the scenes of nova is sent down that nova and every other young yankee pitcher in the minor league system takes notice and says it’s politics and just file it away that life sucks sometimes.

    do the yankees really want to send that message to their young pitchers?

    i totally prefer pineda being sent down as a message to him to not show up fat and out of shape next year. my second preference would be garcia to the bullpen simply because he’s not in their long range plans. does he deserve this? no, but cashman has signed and traded for too many pitchers and let retired guys pitch when they decide to so someone has to go.

    it really wasn’t a well thought out pitching staff.

  87. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Mac-

    Just watch him sometime and you’ll know.

    My only concern is that the long Visa delay may have harmed his development.

    I would assume he still engaged in baseball rekated activites though so I’m not overly worried.

    I’m not annointing him by the way just pointing out what I think the obvious talent.

    :)

  88. pat March 28th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Football break……

    BobGlauber: NFL owners voted to expand instant replay to include all turnovers. No coach challenge necessary.

  89. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    upstate kate – My apologies!!! I have to be in an out so my boss doesn’t think I’m…. doing what I’m doing. Must’ve mixed up the posts. Thanks again for the info!

  90. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Randy-

    I have no idea what they will actually do.

    IMO the decision should have 2 main things in mind :

    Who gives you the best chance to win games on a consistent basis.

    What is in the best interest of the team going forward.

    Hopefully the 2 are not in conflict.

    ;)

  91. Ys Guy March 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    “im rooting for montero, i hope he does great, i also have smoak on2 of my fbb teams so im rooting for him and if montero has a great year, smoak will be even better.”

    sounds good. looks like i was reading sarcasm into your post that wasn’t there.”
    ==================================

    oh, it was totally dripping with sarcasm about the hype, but at the same time im rooting for two young potentially great bats to come through.

  92. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Bret,

    Don’t do that.

    Undermines the issue.

  93. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “i would think garcia to the bullpen would be the path of least resistance.”

    I don’t think I agree with that one, randy. Wouldn’t the path of least resistance be sending down a guy (Nova) that has options?

    For the record, I’m weary of granting any of these guys (Nova, Garcia, and Hughes) a rotation spot based on what they did last season. I’d rather they stick with the ST evaluation.. and I don’t know that Nova is making enough of a case for himself at the moment.

    I’d like them to put Garcia as the long man and Nova in the rotation… but I agree with MTU about how the organization operates. Traditionally, they tend to go with a vet over a kid. I’d guess 9 times out of 10.

  94. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Stuckey,

    Don’t water me down!

  95. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Randy,

    I appreciate the confirmation (albeit in a indirect, DOA manner) you’ve abandoned the CU solution-in-search-of-a-problem.

    Despite our differences, I appreciate you recognized you had nowhere to go with that genuinely applaud you letting go.

  96. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    ys guy-

    i don’t pay attention to hype myself.

    what sold me on montero was watching him swing once in a spring training game.

    he swung with a bat speed that 99% of major leaguers will never experience even once.

    montero is gifted.

    rooting against him is rooting against the gift God gave him.

    to me kind of silly.

  97. Erin March 28th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Erik Boland @eboland11 Richard Gere chatting with Joe Girardi behind batting cage here in Kissimmee

  98. blake March 28th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I would expect them to start Depaula at either extended ST or SI and then see where he is….as Stuckey said ….a lot willing depend on how many innings they want him to throw….

  99. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Randy,

    I agree that sending down Nova sends the wrong message to the young pitchers. Garcia may be the vet here but Nova actually has more service time with the organization and he started games for the Yankees in 2010 before Garcia ever even arrived. They owe him loyalty after a 16 win rookie campaign and an appearance as the Game 2 starter in the playoffs. Garcia is not in the long range plans so they owe him nothing.

    I suspect Garcia will start the year in the pen. This is the least controversial decision and allows all the younger pitchers (Hughes, Nova, Pineda) to pitch major league innings at a time when they’re all ready for it.

  100. MTU March 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    shame-

    We’re on the same page.

    Path of least resistance for the Yankees tends to be you go with the guy with experience.

    The “known” vs. the “unknown”, or lesser known quantity.

    We’ll see. Maybe we’ll get a surprise this time.

    ;)

  101. LGY March 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Can’t wait to read G Love’s reaction if they send Nova to AAA

  102. G. Love March 28th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    If I were the Yankees and I really loved Cabral & Rapada, I would see what the market is for Boone Logan. Wouldn’t an offer of Garcia and Logan solve a lot of teams problems out there and bring something decent back? I don’t know what teams are looking for but a back end starter and a lefty for the pen sound like what every team is looking for. The Yankees should not waive Cabral. He’s built up value here this spring. It’s like throwing away a $20 because your wallet is too stuffed. Makes no sense. They have to turn one of the lefties into something before opening day.

    And everyone is right to fear Ibanez. He will be ice cold and then when the tornado winds start to swirl around him he’ll hit a double or a HR and Girardi will belligerently tell the media “we know what he can do” with a smug look and then Ibanez will go cold for another 2 weeks until he walks into another moderate fastball and saves his spot for another 2 weeks. We’ve seen that script here before with the Yankees. That said, by June he should be gone if the bat speed doesn’t return.

    I really wish we had Damon in that spot. It makes the lineup longer and will work the opposing pitcher much more than Ibanez will. The fact that Damon has no job on March 28 is mind boggling.

    That said, what I think happens from parsing the quotes is they are going to keep Garcia and send down Nova. Cashman can’t risk sending down Pineda, an all star last season, while Montero is hitting in the middle of the order for the M’s. They’ll treat Nova like the red headed step child and secretly feel that slighting him motivates him like it did last season.

  103. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    rooting against him is rooting against the gift God gave him.

    to me kind of silly.

    ___________________

    Do you root against Adrian Gonzalez, one of the most gifted hitters in the game?

    Did you root against Manny Ramirez at the height of his Red Sox powers?

    Seattle isn’t going to be good for a long, long time, so rooting for Montero is fine and dandy and I hope for the best for him as well (until he faces the Yankees).

    But as is often the case, your logic is empty – that you have no choice to root for him because he’s so good.

    I seriously doubt you stick to that edict with any consistency.

  104. Erin March 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    New Post: LoHud Yankees chat starts at noon

    :arrow:

  105. blake March 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Nova has thrown the ball a lot better than his numbers suggest….and I agree it would be a mistake to not have him in the rotation…..this guy has done everything they have asked of him with a great attitude…..he deserves a chance to make himself a fixture in the rotation.

  106. DONNYBROOK March 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    The “sending messages” stuff is malarkey. The hierachy will do whatever they feel will Best help the Yankees win a Championship in 2012. The Yanks “owe” Nova absolutely nothing. Somebody like Pettitte, yea they do owe him. Nova? HAHAHAHAHAHA

  107. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Whatever they do now, it still doesn’t solve the issue when (if) Pettitte joins the rotation later. Unless someone gets injured (which I hope doesn’t happen) or someone with options is woefully ineffective, there is still a chance that one of the young guys will be the odd man out, and it’s just a delay of the inevitable. (Even if they end of trading Garcia, there will this secondary decision.)

    I really don’t like the situation they have here. But I’m sure it will sort itself out. Well I’m hoping it will sort itself out.

  108. blake March 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    If Nova gets sent down then it really undermines what they are trying to do with their young pitchers IMO

  109. Benny Blanco March 28th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    “this sends a bad message to the other pitchers, especially guys like nova who have done everything right in the system and proved themselves actually pitching under pressure in a pennant race with the yankees.”

    Randy, your post is spot on. That’s my problem with Andy coming back. It puts a strain on the yankees rotation. You moved AJ for several reasons, one including the fact that you have too many pitchers for 5 spots. Thats why you traded him to begin with. Also because he hasn’t pitched well in the bronx.

    This is going to be a problem going forward with the strategy the yankees are trying to implement….i.e making your pitchers bleed and sweat every start to earn their stay in the rotation. I’m all for making people stay hungry but what about job security? it’s not fair that they treat Nova or any young pitcher that way.

    And that’s why the yankees are going to continue to sign free agent veteran arms because they won’t allow their young pitchers to go thru slumps at the major league level.

  110. blake March 28th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    If the Yankees want to get younger and cheaper for real…..then they have to let their young players play.

  111. randy l. March 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “For the record, I’m weary of granting any of these guys (Nova, Garcia, and Hughes) a rotation spot based on what they did last season. I’d rather they stick with the ST evaluation.. and I don’t know that Nova is making enough of a case for himself at the moment.”

    yankees whip spring training:

    hughes- 0.98

    phelps- 1.09

    garcia- 1.14

    kuroda- 1.16

    mitchell – 1.17

    nova- 1. 22

    sabathia- 1.36

    pineda – 1.47

    whip is probably a better indicator than era so what do you do with the above?

    if you value whip, using your idea for going by spring training results, sabthia and pineda and nova aren’t in the rotation.

  112. Benny Blanco March 28th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    NEW POST :)

  113. DONNYBROOK March 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    One minute we hear “you can’t have enough pitching”, gotta have “depth”, blah\blah\blah, and now the Yanks are sending the wrong message to the Kiddy SP’s if one of them gets sent down. This aint Romper Room people. By the time a guy gets to The Show, he knows how the cow eats the cabbage. He may not like it, but it will NOT crush him. You spend $200 Mill on a team payroll in order to win a Championship, NOT to stroke some kid’s psyche.

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