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Spring training Game 26: Yankees at Braves

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (13-10-2)
Eduardo Nunez SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez DH
Eric Chavez 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
Dewayne Wise CF
Chris Dickerson RF
Justin Maxwell LF

RHP Hiroki Kuroda (2-1, 3.07)
Kuroda vs. Braves

BRAVES (9-14-3)
Michael Bourn CF
Martin Prado 3B
Brian McCann C
Dan Uggla 2B
Freddie Freeman 1B
Jason Heyward RF
Andrelton Simmons SS
Jose Constanza LF
Brandon Beachy SP

RHP Brandon Beachy (1-1, 6.43)
Beachy vs. Yankees

TIME: 1:05 p.m.

WEATHER: Seems like it’s always super sunny when we’re at the Wide World of Sports.

UMPIRES: HP Chris Degal, 1B Eric Loveless, 2B Jerry Layne, 3B Andy Fletcher

Based on today’s attempt at a chat, I’m doubting I’ll be able to update much during the game. The Internet is an absolute mess up here, and apparently Disney has no chance of fixing it. Sorry for the technical problems. Trust me, the annoyance is just as bad on my end.

UPDATE, 3:03 p.m.: Internet just started working here, just as the Yankees announced that they’ve claimed catcher Craig Tatum off waivers from the Diamondbacks. Tatum is 29 years old and has hit .223 through parts of three seasons in the big leagues.

UPDATE, 3:06 p.m.: Through seven innings, the Yankees are up 3-2. Hiroki Kuroda has pitched all seven innings, walking none and striking out six.

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180 Responses to “Spring training Game 26: Yankees at Braves”

  1. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “Based on today’s attempt at a chat, I’m doubting I’ll be able to update much during the game. The Internet is an absolute mess up here, and apparently Disney has no chance of fixing it. Sorry for the technical problems.”

    What a Mickey Mouse organization that Disney is :)

  2. Crawdaddy March 28th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Looks like Grandy’s MRI came back negative which is great news.

  3. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Game is on espn for those interested

  4. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I like Beachy….he’s solid.

  5. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Nice little piece of hitting by Ibanez there …..better

  6. kd March 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    if may rolls around and raul is not hitting, do they call damon? promote cust? call vladdy?

  7. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Better AB by Teix, staying back a little more.

    Missed the Nunez AB but saw the ball moving after he made contact; what kind of pitch was that?

  8. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Chad, thanks for the response re: Cito.

  9. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Chavy!

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    yankeefem,

    yeah he’s in the zone longer. Wasn’t a great swing for that goofy hit, but he earned it by hanging in there, staying more level and back like you say, and not capitulating on a couple of slop pitches he would have gotten himself out on last season.

  11. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Frankie will outhit Martin.

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    But Tex is still pulling off too much on certain pitches. It’s still a bit awkward for him, this new approach.

  13. pat March 28th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    NYPost_Kernan

    Watched Manny Banuelos pitched today in minor league intrasquad game, said he is learning a cutter. Interesting.

  14. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Sweeny Murti ? @YankeesWFAN Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Yanks have signed veteran Jack Cust to minor league deal. Released by Astros few days ago. Power bat, good insurance at AAA.
    Retweeted by Josh Norris

    Cust?

  15. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Tex’s Lefty swing still isn’t perfect….but he’s flattened it a bit which is allowing him more leeway in the zone and is making LF an option again…..his bat looks faster as well to me…..i’m cautiously excited about his 2012.

  16. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Pruf, I will take baby step improvements with him.

  17. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “Watched Manny Banuelos pitched today in minor league intrasquad game, said he is learning a cutter. Interesting.”

    Andy influence? He doesn’t need it now….he needs to focus on commanding the three other plus pitches he has….down the road it coukd round out his arsenal nicely though

  18. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Love McAnn

    FA in a couple years? :)

  19. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Nice play by Dickerson to cut that off.

  20. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Manny was much better vs. lefties esp command-wise. Vs. righties he walked 5.87 /9, just under 3 vs. lefties with almost double in FIP vs. righties.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Must be great to have a really good hitting catcher with power…..I seem to recall something like that for about 15 years….

  22. tomingeorgia March 28th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Nice change by Kuroda there on Uggla. Hi, everybody.

  23. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Uggla’s forearms are about as big as Pete Abe’s Thanksgiving turkey.

  24. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    “.I seem to recall something like that for about 15 years….”

    —-

    Is 15 years how long you’ll be talking about it too?

  25. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Kuroda had some hard hit balls there but no damage…..

  26. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Hi Tom. I took an hour nap. :) Is Japan game only online tomorrow as well?

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    yankeefem, good to see from Manny.

    ///

    I’m not crazy about Maxwell’s fielding.

  28. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    How did Manny actually pitch?

  29. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Probably only for 3 years until we get Gary Sanchez but by then Montero will be an all star so it will still hurt.

  30. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Blake, somehow Norris forgot to mention that. :shock:

  31. jacksquat March 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Ibanez up to .093, he’s on the on ramp, will he make it on the interstate?

  32. tomingeorgia March 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    yankeefem,
    I think, so at least live. I don’t know about the 2AM start, but I’ll at least catch some innings.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    “.I seem to recall something like that for about 15 years….”

    —-

    Is 15 years how long you’ll be talking about it too?
    ///

    Until the agita leaves me, which is likely going to be never.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    …Or at least until Gary Sanchez comes and dips my fevered brain in the waters of forgetfulness…

  35. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Colon’s pitching tomorrow for the A’s. I wonder if he will be revitalized a la first half 2011.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Probably only for 3 years until we get Gary Sanchez but by then Montero will be an all star so it will still hurt.
    ///

    Yea, missed this.

    Here’s my advice for people who can’t stand my lamentations: scroll past. Easily done. It’s all in the fingertips :D

  37. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Thrilling that we signed Cust… Roll Ibanez out, roll Cust in… :(

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Nice play by Dickerson to cut that off.
    ////

    He’s the best of the fringy 4th OF types, IMO (Andruw doesn’t count).

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Raul swan song?

  40. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Must be great to have a really good hitting catcher with power…..I seem to recall something like that for about 15 years….

    ____________________________

    You forget last year already..?

    Best scoring differential in those 15 years aside from ’98.

    May I recommend some fish oil supplements?

  41. Baseball Mogul March 28th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Nice split there to Heyward.

  42. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Heyward’s 2011 struggles have bled into 2012 spring training.

  43. GregD March 28th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    has anyone heard a status on Austin Romine?

  44. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I was away for like two minutes and missed Kuroda pitch …must have been a good inning.

  45. luis March 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Hello everyone!

    Nuñez with a double…Nice!

  46. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Id like to see a 60 between Nunez and Gardner…

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Martin: .237 .324 .408 .732

    McCann: .270 .351 .466 .817

    Yeah. Virtually interchangeable.

  48. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Nunez sharp double down the line. Breakout year, watch.

    The Braves would kill to have him as their starting shortstop.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    luis March 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    Hello everyone!

    Nuñez with a double…Nice!
    ////

    The boy can hit.

  50. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Hmm.. Leyland trying to put the thought in Cano’s mind that he’d like to have him aboard?????

  51. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Atta boy, Robbie.

  52. luis March 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    And Cano delivers!!

  53. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Id love to have McCann…he wont fit the budget.

  54. Nick in SF March 28th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Mr. Prufrock, were you serious in wondering/hoping/asking about Montero catching the opening game this morning?

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Time for lunch.

  56. luis March 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Hi JAP!

    Yes he certainly can. With proper training and reps he will be a decent defender as well. I like what he brings to the table. Speed and a great bat, that will spell time from both Arod and Jeter. And in a year or two he might hold the fort.

  57. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    McCann: .270 .351 .466 .817

    Olivo: .224 .253 .388 .641

    If only the Mariners had another option…

  58. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Tex is just having better ABs ….its totally noticeable….that was a great piece of hitting ….he lined out to the SS but last year he would have rolled over that into the shift.

  59. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Heyward has a glove.

  60. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Heyward just robbed Ibanez of a homer.

  61. luis March 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I don´t have image, but i have audio. Great catch from heyward i guess.

  62. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Oh, Poor Raul!!!!

  63. UnKnown March 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Tough break for Raul. He did a great job of hitting to go down and get that pitch, however, he was robbed.

  64. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Blake, yep, very hopeful based on what Teix has shown so far.

  65. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Ok. Chavez picks him up!

  66. UnKnown March 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Beachy is kind’ve getting rocked.

  67. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Saw it out of the corner of my eye; he crushed it.

  68. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    When a guy is struggling those are the things that happen. When they’re going well, EVERYTHING is a hit! ;)

  69. blake March 28th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Probably best back to back ABs for Raul this spring…the results don’t matter….its how he’s swinging the bat

  70. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Replay shows Heyward had it all the way…

    Nice play.

  71. yankeefeminista March 28th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Ditto, results with Teix. Just have good AB’s.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    How do Oliva’s feeble numbers make Martin a better offensive player?

    Right. They don’t.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    luis March 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    Hi JAP!

    Yes he certainly can. With proper training and reps he will be a decent defender as well. I like what he brings to the table. Speed and a great bat, that will spell time from both Arod and Jeter. And in a year or two he might hold the fort.
    ////

    He may, luis. He’s going to fall into that gap between DJ and Cito Culver. We could do a lot worse than Nunez.

  74. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Kuroda looks really good. I think he’ll have a good year.

  75. blake March 28th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    “Kuroda looks really good. I think he’ll have a good year.”

    He’s gonna win 15-18 if healthy.

  76. m March 28th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Weak hack by Bourn to strike out.

    jacksquat,

    I went back to the article, and it didn’t say Hughes was a “lock” (that’s why I used quotation marks in the first place). The writer was inferring from Rothschild’s comments that it was a “good bet” that Hughes is in. The question is is King more Nick in SF or more Pat M? :P

  77. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    MTU March 28th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    VN-

    Interesting things about Jesus:

    His Dad builds racecars.

    His Mother was on the Venezeulan Softball team.

    His brother is also a Catcher in the US. Think he is in the Minors.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, Montero has a younger brother in the Cardinals system that’s a catcher. His name is Jesus. That makes him the second coming of Jesus.

  78. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Philadelphia should trade Brown to Atlanta for Heyward to give them a change of scenery.

  79. 86w183 March 28th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I think the Braves would be insane to deal Heyward. He has way more potential than Brown from what I’ve seen.

    If they decide to be insane I hope the Yanks get involved.

    Kuroda looks really sharp. Girardi and Cash have a touch decision coming up… and another tough one about a month from now.

  80. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    How do Oliva’s feeble numbers make Martin a better offensive player?

    Right. They don’t.

    _______________________

    Correct.

    McCann’s doesn’t make him any worse either.

    Facts are Yankees performed as a team as they ever did with Posada and better than the Braves, who actually had McCann.

    You comment was bait in search of a point.

  81. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    The following NYY prospects have been released: Brooks, Castillo, Martinez D, Hinojosa, Cowsert, Reyes, Isabel, R Marte

  82. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    86w183 March 28th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
    I think the Braves would be insane to deal Heyward. He has way more potential than Brown from what I’ve seen.

    If they decide to be insane I hope the Yanks get involved.

    Kuroda looks really sharp. Girardi and Cash have a touch decision coming up… and another tough one about a month from now.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    But, that’s Dom Brown we’re talking about.

  83. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Erin, you need to get one of your friends to go to this game and get you one.

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427

    Thunder will be giving away a … wait for it … Robinson Ca-Gnome … on July 8.

  84. Pat M. March 28th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Kuroda is so good, works fast and is always nipping at the strike zone……..

  85. m March 28th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Random thought of the day: the new Toronto Blue Jays logo and font are awful.

  86. jacksquat March 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    m March 28th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
    Weak hack by Bourn to strike out.

    jacksquat,

    I went back to the article, and it didn’t say Hughes was a “lock” (that’s why I used quotation marks in the first place). The writer was inferring from Rothschild’s comments that it was a “good bet” that Hughes is in. The question is is King more Nick in SF or more Pat M?

    I was thinking hints from the Yankee staff (Girardi, Cashman, etc.). I don’t think they’ve tipped their hand. I’d guess Hughes will and should make the rotation since he is pitching well enough and he has another year of control.

  87. Howe Farr March 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    m March 28th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    Random thought of the day: the new Toronto Blue Jays logo and font are awful.

    ___________________________________________________________________

    Ummm, isnt it a throw back to the OLD blue jays logo and font?

  88. tomingeorgia March 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    That hopper to Teix looked just like the one to Cabrera, only Teix’s glove hand was a lot quicker.

  89. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Pat M -

    I’m liking what I’m seeing from Kuroda here.

  90. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Tyler Austin in the game.

    :)

  91. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Pete Caldera ? @pcaldera

    Switch-pitcher Pat Venditte is with NYY here at Disney. He’s listed on lineup card as a switch hitter would be – stradling LHs & RHs line.

  92. 86w183 March 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    GB 7 —-

    I get it. I just like Heyward A LOT better than Dom Brown. I think Heyward is really special. I think Dom Brown is really good. Time will tell

  93. m March 28th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Howe,

    That explains why it looked familiar.

    They took team pix with it and its emblazened all over their MLB website, so I thought it was something that they paid someone big bucks to come up with. Or that they were in competition for the ugliest cap contest.

    But I get your point. Duh!

  94. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Mark Feinsand ? @BloggingBombers

    Nick Swisher reported no tightness or pain after taking 10 at-bats in a minor-league game. He went 4-8 with two walks, a double and homer.

  95. UnKnown March 28th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Kuroda is awesome. Him with CC is a very nice 1-2 punch. It’s nice when you have 2 studs to prevent any prolonged losing streaks.

  96. m March 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    This guy wants Hughes in the bull

  97. kd March 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    is kuroda the number 2 starter?

    cc
    kuroda
    nova
    hughes
    pineda

  98. m March 28th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    pen. But in the next breath says he hears Phil has looked good and can even pitch higher in the rotation.

  99. blake March 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Yea Kuroda just pounds the zone and doesn’t appear to beat himself very often…..Ichirio just pitches his game he will hand a lot of leads off to a very good Yankee bullpen.

  100. blake March 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Ichirio -= if

  101. blake March 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Very nifty turn there by Nunie and Cano…..that’s two pretty darn good middle infield arms right there.

  102. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Ichiro Kuroda?

  103. tomingeorgia March 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    blake,
    I thought your spell check had changed Hidecki to Ichiro.

  104. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Wait, blake, your device self-corrected if he to Ichiro????? LOL

  105. kd March 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    auto correct strikes again!

  106. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    What a cruel trick for Girardi to play on Tyler austin….sending a A ball player up to face Kimbrel.

  107. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    GB7-

    I was thinking how unfair that was!!

  108. tomingeorgia March 28th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Kuroda made Uggla look just as bad.

  109. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Oops!

  110. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    I was thinking how unfair that was!!

    ____________________

    Word is Girardi is a d**k to anyone not a light-hitting, defensive catcher.

  111. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Freddie freeman may move up and fall in just behind votto as the NL first baseman, if he’s not there already.

  112. blake March 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “Wait, blake, your device self-corrected if he to Ichiro????? LOL”

    How does that happen exactly?

  113. Tackelberry March 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    How did Austin do against Kimbrel?

  114. blake March 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    I will take 32 starts just like this one from Kuroda please.

  115. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Austin struck out. Wasn’t up there long enough to find out what Kimbrel could throw.

  116. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Gotta run, Nunez

  117. Pat M. March 28th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Routine play guys……Never had a grip on the ball and never had a chance to get Nunez……Brave announcers are talking heads with little to say

  118. Villa Nova-Ya March 28th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Cito running for Nunez.

  119. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I see Jesus was working on his light hitting this morning… maybe he’s trying to get traded back?

  120. tomingeorgia March 28th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    It appeared that Heyward took an awkward route on Chavez’s double.

  121. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    ID…

    Don’t.

  122. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    After 150 years, the Yanks burn Atlanta again.

  123. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Austin gets a 2nd AB and need one guy to get on to see Culver in the box.

  124. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    stuckey – I got 7 innings of awesome from McCarthy and no win, and an 0/4 from Jesus… the season is off to a roaring start :(

  125. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Interesting that they are giving shortstop Walter Ibarra some outfield time. about time they started making these youngsters more versatile.

  126. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I was thinking that during the season they should split up CC and Kuroda… Why do teams even run their 5 man rotations in order during the season? If you wedge your worst starter between your best two, shouldn’t that effectively save your bullpen from overuse?

  127. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    2 4 3 1 5… that’s my regular season rotation until late august/sept when you shuffle guys to get them in order for the playoffs.

    I don’t really know what that equates to for the yankees, as they have so many pitchers that could really turn out any sort of performance… from dominant to embarrassing.

  128. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    ID, over the course of 162 games, innings are innings.

    You’re proposal doesn’t produce less innings pitched, it just spaces them (slightly) differently. And I doubt that has much of an effect over 6 months/162 games.

  129. luis March 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Wade is not looking very good this spring. i wonder if he still has the three quarter arm slot. Is he?

  130. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Yanks get catcher from Rattlesnakes…

    Craig Tatum

    YankeesWFAN Let’s not do this every day please “@pstrifas: @RealMichaelKay @YankeesWFAN @pstrifas: It took 9 pitches to retire j montero 4 x’s vs oak”

  131. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    stuckey – It would really be about the days the bullpen would expect to be used… and breaking up their “rest days”.

    having your best starters back to back could end up resting lots of guys for a few days… unnecessarily… where if your ace, then maybe your 4 or 5 goes, then your second best pitcher… there is a good chance that you won’t need to use relievers 2-3 days in a row… basically ever.

  132. Jerkface March 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    You start them in order because there are limited number of starts and being at the front of the line gives you more starts.

  133. Pat M. March 28th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    NL East was the toughest division for me to figure out last night….

  134. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    jerkface – Does it? Only about 30 pitchers in baseball every year get more than the 1 every 5 games worth of starts (32.4 starts per 162 games).

  135. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    ID, the difference between CC and Burnett last year was about 1 and 1/3 innings per start.

    Given how erratic Burnett was, I expect the difference between best and worst thing year to be no more than an inning, maybe less.

    1 inning, every 5 days, redistributed, with no net gain in actual bullpen innings pitched.

    Just think the benefit is very, very marginal.

  136. luis March 28th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Pat M,

    It´s not an easy division with the Phillies,Braves,Marlins and Nationals. I´ll say that the Braves have a legit chance to win as well as the Nationals. So i don´t blame you

  137. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Kontos just punched his ticket out of town.

  138. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    stuckey – Is Burnett really a good example though? How many teams worst starter pitches 200 innings?

  139. Jerkface March 28th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Does it? Only about 30 pitchers in baseball every year get more than the 1 every 5 games worth of starts (32.4 starts per 162 games)

    And of course you want your best pitchers to be among these 30. There isn’t only the 162 game schedule to think about (which produces 32.4 starts) but the manner in which the games are distributed which leads to the 5th starter getting less starts. Number 1′s can get 34-36 starts depending on how much work you’re willing to give them.

  140. luis March 28th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Oh! i don´t think the Marlins are ready yet…But they are going to win a lot of games

  141. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    ID, it was 190, but understood.

    But who of the Yankees 6 starters do you expect to fare worse than Burnett?

    32 starts x 6 per equals 192 innings.

  142. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    jerkface – And if a pitcher pitches every 5th day for the roughly 180 days of baseball, they will get those 35-36 starts. Their position int he rotation has little to do with it I feel… their health and ability to pitch that much (and not get skipped over on off days or pushed back or something) is what gets them to 35 starts. You can do 1 5 2 3 4 instead of the order I posted above if it makes you happier :)

  143. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    stuckey – I don’t honestly expect Pettite, Nova, Hughes or Garcia to reach 190 innings this season… Kuroda will be right around there maybe slightly over 200…

  144. Jerkface March 28th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    And if a pitcher pitches every 5th day for the roughly 180 days of baseball, they will get those 35-36 starts.

    No because of the required 4 days of rest inbetween this is not possible.

  145. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    A lineup is different than the pitching rotation. The lineups always starts with the leadoff hitter and mathematically that position has to always get the most at-bats.

    The pitching staff if way more… chaotic than that, and off days and rain outs and such mess with all sorts of things that effect how many starts a pitcher will get.

  146. blake March 28th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Id probably still pick the Phillies if you’re looking at odds to win the division….but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Nats or Braves either one actually won it. I think Philly’s rotation probably still get them there one more year though …..but that window is closing quickly.

  147. luis March 28th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Another bunt…..Yikes

  148. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    jerkface – Then how does a pitcher ever get to 36 starts? 180/5 = 36… and since its your better pitcher if those days fall on off days he will obviously pitch the next day. He either has to start on less than 4 days rest at some point in the year (more likely the seasons is longer than 180 days) or he will only get to 25 starts at best.

  149. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    35 starts, not 25…

  150. blake March 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Wade will make the club because he was so good last year….but he’ll have to perform or there will be a number of kids there ready to take his job….id think Mitchell might be first in line if they wanted Phelps to continue starting every 5th.

  151. Jerkface March 28th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    The pitching staff if way more… chaotic than that, and off days and rain outs and such mess with all sorts of things that effect how many starts a pitcher will get.

    It is more chaotic, so starting your better pitchers as far away from the end as possible allows them more starts. You have more room to work with rain outs (simply push everyone back) etc.

  152. luis March 28th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    blake March 28th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I agree that is closing quickly…But do you think they don´t two more seasons in them?…I think that in two seasons the nats are probably the team to beat.

  153. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    ID,

    Pettitte for sure, but the cumulative innings isn’t the key factor. It’s innings per start.

    Given the Yankees depth, which starter are you imagining is going to be removed from their starts after 5 and 2/3rds on average?

  154. Jerkface March 28th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    ID, 35 is probably the easier max to reach but 36 has been done in the past with 5 man: http://www.baseball-reference......_ten.shtml

  155. luis March 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    *Have* two more seasons in them?….

  156. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    jerkface – Over the course of a whole season, I highly doubt it makes a difference… much like stuckey doubts the more structured rest for the bullpen would matter. If a pitcher is healthy and pitching well all year he will get ~34 starts, the difference between 34 or 35 or 36… meh… if i could have a rested bullpen all season instead of 1 extra start from my best starter…. i would take the rested bullpen. that’s all… i’m bored…

  157. blake March 28th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Luis,

    If they can’t retain Hamels I think this is it for Philly for awhile…..if they can keep the big 3 together then that alone makes them a contender…..but their offense is old and hurt and they don’t have anything on the way either really to help….

  158. Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    stuckey – I think all 6 (ok maybe not garcia) of their starters are actually capable of averages well over 6 innings per start… there just won’t be enough starts to go around. Until it’s a question of 5 starters and not 6… I don’t know how to answer it. Hughes/Nova/Garcia could all end up around 25/26 starts, Pettitte around 20… Kuroda and CC might be the only ones with more than 30.

    It depends what they do, if they shuffle Nova/Hughes between AAA and the majors or send Garcia to the pen…. They aren’t going to have to call up 8 random starters from AAA because of their extra starter… so those extra starts will be a little more focused than usual.

  159. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Erin, you need to get one of your friends to go to this game and get you one.

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427

    Thunder will be giving away a … wait for it … Robinson Ca-Gnome … on July 8.
    ————————-

    Erin!!! I volunteer as tribute!!

  160. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Not sure it has been mentioned – Yankees signed Jack Cust to a minor league deal.

  161. stuckey March 28th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I think all 6 (ok maybe not garcia) of their starters are actually capable of averages well over 6 innings per start…

    __________________________

    Okay then.

    6-plus per start for the other 4 (whoever they are, at any given time during the season).

    So the difference between 2 and 5 is what then… and average of 1/3 to 2/3rds of an inning per start between your 2nd best and worst starter?

    So your proposal redistributes (not gain, just moves) about 1/3 to 2/3rds of a bullpen inning pitched every 5 days (not counting off days).

    Isn’t that marginal at best?

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Heyward’s shoulder/back obviously feeling good. Guy’s an animal. He’d hit 50 in our place.

  163. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    My guess is that Craig Tatum is just a placeholder until Austin Romine’s back is better.

  164. blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    ‘Heyward’s shoulder/back obviously feeling good. Guy’s an animal. He’d hit 50 in our place.”

    Man id love to have him….he’s a good kid too….he’s going to be back this year and start his rise to superstardom….

  165. Pat M. March 28th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    blake……..I played Phils under 95.5 wins in my pool

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Me three. Meaning if I were schizophrenic, both of me would want Heyward.

    Trade the whole team for him (minus Cano).

    He was beastly as a rook and then his health slowed him. He’s bound for super stardom, alright. Man’s out of his mind with talent.

  167. blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “blake……..I played Phils under 95.5 wins in my pool”

    Id take the under there as well…..they should win 90-95 though on pitching alone in the NL……I wouldn’t put it past Amaro either to trade what’s left of their system for another bat during the season……they have to win now

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    yeh he is a good kid. I’ve seen interviews. Very mature kid with measured responses. Smart kid, too. He’s ridiculous. I may have to break my Citifield ban just to see him.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    …..On second thought, I’ll just go to Philly and see him. Closer, any way, and the Mets royally suck other than because they just do, but also because they’re making Dellin and Manny take too many bus rides.

  170. blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “Trade the whole team for him (minus Cano).”

    I think that’s about what it’d take…..

  171. Chip March 28th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “blake……..I played Phils under 95.5 wins in my pool”

    Id take the under there as well…..they should win 90-95 though on pitching alone in the NL……I wouldn’t put it past Amaro either to trade what’s left of their system for another bat during the season……they have to win now
    —————-

    Amaro terrifies me. Worst GM in the game – bar none

  172. comet March 28th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Anyone know what happened to Marte this year? TIA.

  173. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Ask Larry Jones what he thinks about Heyward’s work ethic.

  174. blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    I remember Heyward’s first big league AB against big Z…..and he just smoked one about 450 feet.

  175. blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “Amaro terrifies me. Worst GM in the game – bar none”

    He’s terrible….

  176. kd March 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    what’s left in the phillies system? didn’t they give up every prospect they had for lee and haliday?

  177. blake March 28th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    “what’s left in the phillies system? didn’t they give up every prospect they had for lee and haliday?”

    And Pence.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Ya mean, that’s Heyward WITHOUT t a work ethic? The mind boggles..trade his lazy ass here.

  179. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Bad News :arrow:

  180. RayVT March 28th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Probably get 2 extra starts since AS break might provide another

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