Nova at the complex
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2012 
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Ivan Nova worked a scoreless first inning with Russell Martin catching at the minor league complex.
Nova is pitching in the Triple-A game. Rafael Soriano pitched the first inning of the Double-A game.
UPDATE, 1:29 p.m.: Another scoreless inning for Nova. No sign of Nick Swisher, which is odd.
UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: Unexpected roster note… Steve Pearce is playing first base for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Apparently he just signed a minor league deal. He was originally with the Pirates.
UPDATE, 2:02 p.m.: Nova is through four innings. Also, Corban Joseph is not playing. Turns out hes been shut down with a shoulder injury.
Well, that should make a lot of LoHudders happy. Martin is sent to the minor leagues. One step closer to getting him out of Pinstripes.
Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Chip
Managers tend to focus on the present, GMs, often have a bias to a longer view. Given all the young arms, the long view is what needs to be prioritized.
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Which is why they need to make the decision together – they need to balance what’s best for the team now with what’s best for the team going forward.
So if, for example, Girardi wanted to put Garcia in the rotation and Hughes or Nova or Pineda in the pen, then Cashman is there to say no. If the question is whether you send Nova or Pineda to AAA then it’s not as if you’re stunting either one of them. But I don’t think Cashman is going to tell Girardi who has to be in the rotation any more than he’s going to tell him what order to bat his lineup (Moneyball aside)
Chip
I think Garcia should be in the rotation to maximize his trade value, which is also a longer term consideration.
Anyway, someone has to make the final decision on close calls. I want to be the GM.
Hellickson is pitching today and will pitch game 3 against the Yanks. Makes sense because it puts him on normal rest.
Would also make sense if Yanks were following same protocol.
“Well, that should make a lot of LoHudders happy. Martin is sent to the minor leagues. One step closer to getting him out of Pinstripes.
Yanks can’t afford to re-sign him anyway – so he’s gone after this year regardless.
Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Chip
I think Garcia should be in the rotation to maximize his trade value, which is also a longer term consideration.
Anyway, someone has to make the final decision on close calls. I want to be the GM.
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I want it to be the guy the GM hired to make baseball decisions.
While Girardi might be a “yes-man” for Cashman, a case could be made that Cashman is equally as much of a yes man for Girardi, based on his devaluing and trading of Montero.
And remember, he is the one who re-acquired Mitre, Gaudin, Ransom, etc. multiple times to give to Girardi, probably at his request.
I’d say that have a split of power.
Rich –
To expand on my more flippant remark – Cashman hired Girardi because, one would think, he trusts Girardi to make decisions that are in the best interests of the team. Because he believes in Girardi’s ability to evaluate the players on the roster and put them in the best position to succeed while at the same time developing the talents of the younger players and managing the egos of older players in decline.
If that’s the case then he should trust Girardi (and his coaches) to make the best decision on who should be in the rotation.
If he doesn’t – if this is Art Howe/Billy Beane as depicted in Moneyball where Beane was telling Howe who to play and when – then I would be sorely disappointed.
Anderson Feliz reportedly killin’ it in ST, hit two 2-run shots to right center (as LHB). He was smashing LDs when I saw him in Lakewood, and now seems to be taking a power step up. He’s got crazy tools. Where he ends up position-wise, will be interesting to see.
Chip
That’s Eppler.
Melk Man –
I don’t think Cashman traded Montero because Girardi told him to. I think Girardi probably told Cashman that “in his opinion” Montero wasn’t a good catcher and my guess is that there were others in the org who backed up that opinion (as there is no shortage of people who will and have expressed that sentiment).
I think the decision on trading Montero though was Cashman’s.
Cash also has adopted Girardi’s position on catchers, Montero, etc. so it’s not like Cash is very firm in his beliefs as well.
I also imagine it was him who went with that idiotic 6 man rotation as long as he did just to avoid making a decision (to avoid putting AJ and his salary in the pen or sending Hughes, who he has seemingly hitched his wagon to, down to AAA).
Let’s put it this way – neither has distinguished themselves as someone known for shrewd decisions.
Melk Man March 29th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
While Girardi might be a “yes-man” for Cashman, a case could be made that Cashman is equally as much of a yes man for Girardi, based on his devaluing and trading of Montero.
And remember, he is the one who re-acquired Mitre, Gaudin, Ransom, etc. multiple times to give to Girardi, probably at his request.
I’d say that have a split of power.
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Melk Man, you spoiled my day, just by mentioning Mitre.
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yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
A year older, a lot of the kids are showing more power, Mason included. Feliz should have a very good year.
Camarena finally getting in a (sim) game today, as per Norris.
Noteworthy: Hellickson has had a pretty bad ST, but still already was named Rays #3 pitcher. Nova should get similar treatment.
4/6, vs. Yankees: RHP James Shields–CC
4/7, vs. Yankees: LHP David Price–Kuroda
4/8, vs. Yankees: RHP Jeremy Hellickson–Hughes?
yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
4/6, vs. Yankees: RHP James Shields–CC
4/7, vs. Yankees: LHP David Price–Kuroda
4/8, vs. Yankees: RHP Jeremy Hellickson–Hughes?
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Hi Yankeefem,
Missed you last night
. When do you think DePaula will be on a mound?
On your rotation i would say that the third SP is either Nova or Pineda.
“I think that if Pineda doesn’t show 92-93 consistently in his next start, he will be sent to the minors”
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my, how we’ve lowered the bar.
DePaula was scheduled to throw today.
Cmarena is DePaula?
Hi Luis,
DePaula is supposed to throw in a sim game today!!
I am thinking Nova pitches fourth; I originally thought 3rd, Pineda 4th, Hughes 5th but figure they are hiding him vs. Balt tonight because of Baltimore reg season game #4, April 8th. Just a guess.
Luis, no Camarena is a lefty.
DePaula did throw today. Josh Norris tweeted that he got alot of pictures of him. He’ll post them later
BJ Upton starting the season on the D\L makes Tampa’s offense even weaker. Girardi will NOT be “tankin’ it” this time around.
GB……Man our pal SJ has a sweet job, as he sits there in Key Biscayne watching the Women’s Semi Finals……..Maria Sharapova and Caroline Wozniacki banging it for a shot at The Championship……..Great stuff and very easy on the eyes !!!!!! ESPN
I thought Camerena was that big novelty Latin/crossover dance hit a few years ago.
I think Gary Sanchez will make you forget Montero.
Sanchez will be special but he is 3 years away.
sevrox March 29th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I think Gary Sanchez will make you forget Montero.
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I certainly hope so.
Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
GB……Man our pal SJ has a sweet job, as he sits there in Key Biscayne watching the Women’s Semi Finals……..Maria Sharapova and Caroline Wozniacki banging it for a shot at The Championship……..Great stuff and very easy on the eyes !!!!!! ESPN
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Afternoon, Pat. Hope all is going well. How do you like teixeira’s approach this spring? left handed, everything going the other way and hard.
First you and the pool crew and now, SJ. I almost hope a racket gets away and into the crowd. I wonder if SJ knows how much I hate him for not sharing.
What a way to suffer, huh?
“I think Gary Sanchez will make you forget Montero.”
OG, well, as long as you brought it up, that may be, but the problem is that he is at least three years away, so if you subscribe to that belief, the smart play was to keep Montero until Sanchez is ready.
yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Hi Luis, DePaula is supposed to throw in a sim game today!!
I am thinking Nova pitches fourth; I originally thought 3rd, Pineda 4th, Hughes 5th but figure they are hiding him vs. Balt tonight because of Baltimore reg season game #4, April 8th. Just a guess.
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Good point. It never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, it makes a lot of sense.
OG, well, as long as you brought it up, that may be, but the problem is that he is at least three years away, so if you subscribe to that belief, the smart play was to keep Montero until Sanchez is ready.
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Could you imagine a tandem of Montero/Sanchez at catcher/DH? . Last year i was salivating at the prospect.
Longo takes Hamels yard.
Luis, only in my imagination. Assuming the approach to catching continues, C will be handled by more like Sanchez/Higgy; one of JR, Sanchez will end up playing another position because their defense as a duo won’t be deemed good enough.
Is there only a single smart play?
Hughes should be 3rd or 4th (as of right now). But putting him 5th allows them to control his workload somewhat. I know they say you can work off their previous high, but I don’t think we can pencil Hughes in for 200 innings.
3 years is an eternity in baseball.
Montero was at the doorstep of stardom
“Is there only a single smart play?”
It depends, doesn’t it?
Implosion time.
Josh Norris ? @jnorris427
DePaula: 24 pitches. 14 FB, 7 CB, 3 CU. FB topped at 94. Really wild with FB. Fantastic CB in mid-70s. #Yankees
m
Why worry about Hughes’ workload in April with Pettitte in the offing?
It does indeed depend. Perhaps the course of action they took was a/the smart play.
Oh wait, Nick, I thought it was beyond obvious that every single thought in every post carries with it an implicit disclaimer that it is an opinion. Maybe not.
“I think Gary Sanchez will make you forget Montero.”
I kinda wanted to have Montero AND Sanchez.
“I kinda wanted to have Montero AND Sanchez.”
This is the smart play.
Of course, anything that compliments Montero seems to be viewed with suspicion and/or derision by some here (iow, Montero Derangement Syndrome).
Yankeefem,
This spring was the first time i saw JR Murphy. i loved his approach at the plate. Same thing with Sanchez. It´s a bit sad what is happening with Romine, i hope that this back problem doesn´t become a cronic one.
this year i´ll be paying more attention to the minors since i have MiLB TV!!
When contract is considered…..Longoria might be the guy Id most like to have in baseball…..it’d be between him and Upton probably.
I like McCutchen’s new deal as well….
Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
“I kinda wanted to have Montero AND Sanchez.”
This is the smart play.
Of course, anything that compliments Montero seems to be viewed with suspicion and/or derision by some here (iow, Montero Derangement Syndrome).
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I don’t think anyone dislikes or is attempting to disparage Montero – speaking for myself – I’m just sick of people giving the kid a wing in Cooperstown.
Sorry, Rich. My mistake.
later guys…Work
luis March 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Yankeefem,
This spring was the first time i saw JR Murphy. i loved his approach at the plate. Same thing with Sanchez. It´s a bit sad what is happening with Romine, i hope that this back problem doesn´t become a cronic one.
this year i´ll be paying more attention to the minors since i have MiLB TV!!
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You’ll also get all of the teams with radio feeds.
“I don’t think anyone dislikes or is attempting to disparage Montero – speaking for myself – I’m just sick of people giving the kid a wing in Cooperstown.”
Chip
Is that really the issue, because the lofty comparisons are few and far between?
What I see is two thoughts that animate most posts on the other side: 1) the Yankees know more than fans; 2) it’s done, get over it.
I actually agree with the second, although it impacts much of Yankee discussion because of potential offensive vulnerabilities and the lack of any other ML ready replacement, especially now that the pitching glut has increased.
Yankeesource @YankeeSource 7m There are some rumblings of Jorge Vazquez to Japan. Similar to the offseason rumblings.
blake March 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Yankeesource @YankeeSource 7m There are some rumblings of Jorge Vazquez to Japan. Similar to the offseason rumblings.
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Makes sense – dude has to be getting frustrated.
Romanski is back in the rotation for Trenton. One short. I wonder if heyer gets the job or a fast promotion fron Tamps is coming. Doesn’t look like Bleich is ready.
Josh Norris ? @jnorris427
Your first four starters for the Thunder this year are, in order, Hall, Stoneburner, Marshall, Romanski. They’re still deciding on the fifth
“Makes sense – dude has to be getting frustrated.”
Yea….however he coukd always just swing and miss the ball less and he might get a shot in the bigs
Great swing there by Desmond Jennings.
Why should Vazquez be frustrated? He’s not the one that has to watch his Venus Di Milo defense or the strikeouts.
Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
“I don’t think anyone dislikes or is attempting to disparage Montero – speaking for myself – I’m just sick of people giving the kid a wing in Cooperstown.”
Chip
Is that really the issue, because the lofty comparisons are few and far between?
What I see is two thoughts that animate most posts on the other side: 1) the Yankees know more than fans; 2) it’s done, get over it.
I actually agree with the second, although it impacts much of Yankee discussion because of potential offensive vulnerabilities and the lack of any other ML ready replacement, especially now that the pitching glut has increased.
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Can’t speak for anyone else but that’s the issue for me. Though I do believe strongly in the “it’s done get over it” side of things. I found it fascinating to watch people (even when Montero was still Yankee property) proclaiming him some inexorable talent – a hybrid of all the things that make Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols great. I found it fascinating because, sure, the Yankees would make comments like that themselves, but you could tell they were tongue in cheek and the way the Yankees handled him and the numbers he put up (or didn’t put up) in the minors painted such a completely different picture. And then when he was traded it’s as if the legend just grew.
To hear some tell it the Yankees gave up the best offensive force to touch baseball since Babe Ruth himself.
It bored me two weeks after the trade, it bored me a month ago, it bored me a week ago, and I forsee it boring me even more in the future when someone (and it will happen) posts every one of Montero’s game lines here comparing him to either what Raul Ibanez, Russ Martin or Michael Pineda are doing.
Nasty 3-2 CU by Hamels….
” I forsee it boring me even more in the future when someone (and it will happen) posts every one of Montero’s game lines here comparing him to either what Raul Ibanez, Russ Martin or Michael Pineda are doing.”
WE AGREE!
“It bored me two weeks after the trade, it bored me a month ago, it bored me a week ago, and I forsee it boring me even more in the future when someone (and it will happen) posts every one of Montero’s game lines here comparing him to either what Raul Ibanez, Russ Martin or Michael Pineda are doing.”
i gotta tell you i felt some boredom reading this
but then i didn’t have to read it did i?
when you see the word “MONTERO” no one’s holding a gun to your head to keep reading.
just saying.
the thing that got me about the montero thing was the dude who said he was gonna give up his season tickets, what a joke
im a yankee fan… a great team is better than any great player…
randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
“It bored me two weeks after the trade, it bored me a month ago, it bored me a week ago, and I forsee it boring me even more in the future when someone (and it will happen) posts every one of Montero’s game lines here comparing him to either what Raul Ibanez, Russ Martin or Michael Pineda are doing.”
i gotta tell you i felt some boredom reading this
but then i didn’t have to read it did i?
when you see the word “MONTERO” no one’s holding a gun to your head to keep reading.
just saying.
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Did you see the ad for the “Chad Mueller Catching Instruction And hitting School?
Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
” I forsee it boring me even more in the future when someone (and it will happen) posts every one of Montero’s game lines here comparing him to either what Raul Ibanez, Russ Martin or Michael Pineda are doing.”
WE AGREE!
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I even have a sneaking suspicion of who that person will be…
But hey, the offensive woes you’re worried about are a thing of the past – Yankees have signed Jack Cust and Steve Pearce to minor league deals – all is right with the world
Josh Norris @jnorris427 5m Nardi Contreras says that DePaula will start the year in extended spring. Not surprising. #Yankees
GB, there were rumors about Turley getting the nod to Trenton in spite of his limited play in Tampa. Interesting to see where they place everyone.
DePaula to EST is a no-brainer. Probably a stint in SI, as well.
Doc Iac March 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
the thing that got me about the montero thing was the dude who said he was gonna give up his season tickets, what a joke
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He can do what he wants with his tickets though.
Schilling is making the Red Sox cranky.
the thing that got me about the montero thing was the dude who said he was gonna give up his season tickets, what a joke
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maybe he/she couldn’t afford them anymore and used that as an excuse…
Granderson is DHing tonight and Ibanez in right.
It bored me two weeks after the trade, it bored me a month ago, it bored me a week ago, and I forsee it boring me even more in the future when someone (and it will happen) posts every one of Montero’s game lines here comparing him to either what Raul Ibanez, Russ Martin or Michael Pineda are doing.
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I haven’t noticed any box scores for Montero. Could it be he is sucking?
Who cares if a poster does or doesn’t keep season tickets? His/her choice. What does it have to do with your view one way or the other of Montero?
Did you see the ad for the “Chad Mueller Catching Instruction And hitting School?”"
gb7-
it looks pretty good. i bookmarked it to look at it later more closely.
Maybe the pressure of Seattle is getting to Montero.
“I haven’t noticed any box scores for Montero. Could it be he is sucking?”
you’re not smart are you?
yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Who cares if a poster does or doesn’t keep season tickets? His/her choice. What does it have to do with your view one way or the other of Montero?
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nothing, i liked montero, wanted to keep him but hes gone, im not gonna hate the yankees for that, players come and go the team is what i root for..
nothing, i liked montero, wanted to keep him but hes gone, im not gonna hate the yankees for that, players come and go the team is what i root for..
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well said or should i use the hip version +1
Nobody cares. It was just an absurd idea to most people. Now if the person actually did it after some careful thought, I could respect that. But in the immediate aftermath in an obviously angry state? It was over the top.
I remember reading the comment, but don’t remember who it was. So I’m just making a general observation.
as far as montero here’s my answer.
i remember back in1999 i bought a mac laptop and some friends ragged on me for buying a mac.
then they ragged on me for investing a bunch of money in apple stock when it was $50 a share.
then they asked why i would get an iphone instead of a blackberry.
most people can’t see the future even when it’s right in front of their face.
m….your blunt honesty is quite refreshing.
randy
so now we know you are independently wealthy
and you can predict the future
why aren’t you somewhere in the major leagues, coach, mgr, gm?
Lots of things people said here are absurd. I don’t keep track like some do…
*have said…
And if people want to give up their seasons for whatever reason that is their business. Maybe the poster doesn’t like the choices the team makes and doesn’t want to invest in them, but still roots for them (obviously).
“so now we know you are independently wealthy”
mick -
i wish.
what i’m really trying to say to you is to not jump to quick conclusions when someone has an insight that’s different than yours.
it’s why i read this blog. even people i can’t stand have some insights from time to time.
you have to stay open to info even if you don’t like the source.
randy
one can disagree or find another obnoxious without “jumping to conclusions” , can’t they?
sometimes it’s not what they say it’s how they say it…more often than not.
mick-
i was originally just reacting to you making what i perceived a negative comment about montero and people who like him.
my expanded point is i get it that lots of people don’t want to think about montero because he’s gone, but lots of people are still interested in him.
why not let people go in the way of their interests ?
maybe they do know something you don’t.
or maybe it’s just a preference thing . you have yours and they have theirs.
what’s the big deal about everyone having the same interests?
i think a little open mindedness would go a long way here on this blog.
for example, nothing is more boring to me than watching pro football or basketball , but i don’t try to put down people on the blog who do. it’s really none of my business. and further, i just skip the linsanity or knick or giant stuff.
seriously, it’s like someone getting behind someone pulled over on the side of the road and beeping because they’re in your way. there’s this thing called a steering wheel. why not use it?
randy
points well taken.
but if some persist in pounding their points down your throat incessantly, then some have the equal right to complain if it bothers them.
i think you know what i mean …