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Nova to the minors (for a day)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last time the Yankees assigned Ivan Nova to the minor leagues, he returned four weeks later and won nine straight starts. Today, the Yankees are sending Nova down for a day to start in a minor league game. They didn’t want Nova facing the Orioles, so D.J. Mitchell will start tonight’s big league game.

“I think we have a pretty good idea (what Nova can do),” Joe Girardi said. “Sometimes it can be harder to pitch down there, I think. You have no scouting reports so it really comes down to making your pitches. You don’t know which breaking ball a guy hits better than the other, you don’t know if a guy hits the changeup, if they like the ball in and out. You can’t set them up either. So the bottom line is, you’ve got to make your pitches down there, or they’re going to hit you around.”

That’s more or less what Phil Hughes said when he pitched in a minor league game on Monday — he got outs when he made good pitches, and the hits he allowed came on mistakes — and really, results aren’t always the best measure of a pitcher in spring training. Nova has a 6.86 ERA this spring, but he really hasn’t pitched nearly as poorly as that number suggests.

“It’s been some innings that have gotten him,” Girardi said. “Like the other day, he was perfect through four, and then the fifth and sixth got him a little bit, and he was good again in the seventh. I think the biggest thing that I haven’t seen from him is the consistency in the location of his fastball, but I think it’s gotten better as spring training has went on.”

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75 Responses to “Nova to the minors (for a day)”

  1. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    So this is basically like that Thompson Twins song “King For a Day” but with a few important differences.

  2. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I realize that there’s absolutely no rush – but Joe – make a flipping decision already!

  3. Erin March 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    BloggingBombers Why do I think Nova is in the rotation? He’s pitching in the minors today so the Os don’t see him. Why? That’s who his 1st start is against.

  4. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I agree that Freddy to the pen makes the most sense, but I wonder if the Post is right about him already being targeted for the rotation.

  5. Joe from Long Island March 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    austinmac – i don’t think wade is not going to be traded. just because girardi indicated that he would be going north with the team doesn’t necessarily mean that they wouldn’t trade him. let’s face it, if joe were to say wade’s performance in st is a problem, that doesn’t help his trade value.

    i’m not saying that wade will definitely be traded, just that whatever joe said doesn’t rule it out.

    wouldn’t that be something, if the team went with three lefties……

  6. Joe from Long Island March 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    erin – yeah, i had the same thought.

  7. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I have a terrible suspicion that Joe is going to, in that quiet voice he gets when he wants to sound super intelligent/compassionate, say that he’s decided to open the season with a six man rotation to get a better look at how each of the guys does against stiffer competition.

  8. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    We should have had a contest to guess the date of Montero’s first start as a catcher.

  9. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    6 Man Rotation would shorten the bodies in the Pen, and the cuts there are Already difficult.

  10. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Chip, but with the off day on the 12th the starting pitchers would have 6 days rest between starts, which wouldn’t make any good sense when you are trying to get them stretched out and ready to increase their innings.

  11. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    I would personally put Garcia in the pen – the fact that he’s so different from the other five pitchers though is probably what Girardi likes most.

  12. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Chip, but with the off day on the 12th the starting pitchers would have 6 days rest between starts, which wouldn’t make any good sense when you are trying to get them stretched out and ready to increase their innings.
    ———————

    I don’t think it makes sense at all – but I think it prevents them from having to make a decision that they quite obviously don’t want to make.

  13. Erin March 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Chip-seriously doubt that will happen.

  14. pat March 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Joe Maddon on Luke Scott: “Wouldn’t you like to have a DH who kills wild pigs from 10 feet away?”

    Maddon is a different dude.

  15. RadioKev March 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I’d take Rapada over Cabral at this point. The role is so small, the 2nd lefty in the pen, that I’d want the guy who’s probably going to get the job done. Who cares about upside for the role? Just get guys out.

  16. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “Joe Maddon on Luke Scott: “Wouldn’t you like to have a DH who kills wild pigs from 10 feet away?”

    As opposed to one that swings and misses baseballs from 60 feet 6 inches away…..

  17. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    The Orioles have faced Nova previously, so Girardi is hiding Nothing by having Nova chuck to Bushers. This could be more of a gradual acclimation process. Girardi is putting one of Nova’s toes in the water, Before throwing him in.

  18. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    We should have had a contest to guess the date of Montero’s first start as a catcher.

    ____________________________

    Double or nothun’?

  19. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Why should Girardi get to make the decision? It should be Cashman.

  20. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “Maddon is a different dude.”

    So is Luke Scott, and not in a good way, but I digress…

  21. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Sathathia and Hughes have thrown in minor league games as well….its not unusual to keep teams you’re getting ready to face soon from seeing a guy…..its why Warren pitched against Boston the other day.

  22. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “Why should Girardi get to make the decision? It should be Cashman”

    It will be….

  23. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “Double or nothun’?”

    Nah, not this close to when you said you’d make payment. I don’t have a strong feeling about if/when Montero will catch anyway.

    Another contest idea: who will start as catcher first, Montero or John Jaso?

  24. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Luke Scott is John Rocker with a bat.

  25. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    “It will be….”

    Lost’s post about Ibanez (if true), concerns me about the process.

  26. Jacques Strappe March 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “It’s been some innings that have gotten him …. he was perfect through four, and then the fifth and sixth got him a little bit, and he was good again in the seventh.”

    Not to be alarmist, or to imply that I think Nova will have anywhere near the same kind of year. And I realize it’s just spring training & he’s working on certain things on certain days. But didn’t that kind of stuff get said about AJ Burnett when he’d pitch 5 good innings out of 7, but allow a couple of untimely crooked numbers in a 5-run loss?

    Just an observation …

  27. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Especially considering we are facing Baltimore in games 4,5,6 of regular season, which seems to perhaps indicate that Nova gets one of those starts.

  28. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “Lost’s post about Ibanez (if true), concerns me about the process.”

    The if true part is key….I don’t really buy that….I think Girardi is somewhat of a Yes man for the Yanks…..I really don’t have any evidence of that but its just the feeling I get….

  29. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/.....-continued

    [...]

    But unlike the pitching, New York doesn’t have much in the way of a fallback plan for their offensive leaders. The second baseman, should Cano get hurt, would be either Eduardo Nunez, Ramiro Pena or non-roster invitee Bill Hall, who may not stick around in Triple-A waiting for the opportunity. That’s essentially the plan at shortstop as well, with the oft-injured Eric Chavez backing up Teixeira at first and Rodriguez at third.

    And the issue is more complex in the outfield, where the only backups for Swisher, Granderson and Brett Gardner in left field are Andruw Jones, Raul Ibanez and, as of now, Justin Maxwell.

    Most baseball fans have heard of the first two, but they’re not the players they once were. Ibanez, who will be 40 in June, has been a suspect fielder for years, while his splits at the plate suggest he’ll be stretched in any role other than facing righties. His awful spring hasn’t promoted hopes of a revival, either.

    [...]

    If that means cutting bait on either Ibanez or Jones to keep Maxwell, making certain they deal Maxwell for an outfielder who can be stashed in Triple-A, or dealing a pitcher now for a surer bet to back up their outfielders than Maxwell, they ought to do it.

  30. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    What is the reason for the dislike for Boone Logan. Since coming to NY, he’s donr his job quite well, he’s for years younger than Rapada, throws in the mid 90s and in each of his 2 seasons in NY has pitched more innings than rapada has in his parts of 6 seasons. Some of you people have bizarre reasons for wanting to get rid of players. Mosting, it’s get rid of them because I don’t like them just because. He does his job well, causes no issues and makes no excuses. he allows fewer hits than innings pitched, strikes out more than 1 an inning. His walks are a bit higher than I’d vare to see, but, so are Robertson’s.

  31. charlestonchew March 29th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    I think that if Pineda doesn’t show 92-93 consistently in his next start, he will be sent to the minors and the rotation will be;

    Sabathia, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova/Garcia, Nova/Garcia

  32. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Who wanted to get rid of Logan?

  33. charlestonchew March 29th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    and to be clear, I think Pineda should be in the rotation and Garcia in the pen.

  34. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I believe Logan got tainted because he was part of the Vazquez deal. I agree, he has done his job well, and is getting better.

  35. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Yanks have signed ex-Pirate Steve Pearce to a minor league deal. Before you start whining about why, he’s just filler for AAA. he plays the 4 corners.

  36. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    But unlike the pitching, New York doesn’t have much in the way of a fallback plan for their offensive leaders.

    _________________________

    Who does?

    The takeaway from that line is the Yankees have RARE exceptional depth in the starting rotation. That’s a GOOD thing.

    Trying to spin that their offensive depth doesn’t match their unprecedented pitching depth into a ‘negative’ is highly dubious.

  37. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “What is the reason for the dislike for Boone Logan.”

    Why do you have to make it personal? He’s a serviceable but unspectacular reliever, and those type of pitchers usually have extremely variable performances. So if you can get good value for you, it’s worth considering, since you have what may be replacements who project to be quite similar.

  38. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    Who wanted to get rid of Logan?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Oh, come on. Go back and look at the last thread. Every time there’s talk of bringing in lefty bullpen help, the first thing is, “Yeah and get rid of Logan.”

  39. Joe from Long Island March 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    GB – maybe it’s pepperoni poisoning.

  40. Georgia_in_MS March 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    For those who might be interested – if you have a Kindle – this book is $2 right now.

    The Last Boy: Mickey Mantle and the End of America’s Childhood

  41. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “The Last Boy: Mickey Mantle and the End of America’s Childhood”

    I read the dead tree version. It was great.

  42. RadioKev March 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    Who wanted to get rid of Logan?
    —————

    I’d guess that Logan was among the most hated players on the Yankees last year. He started off a bit rough, but came on more when A-Rod gave him that type on his slider.

    There were many in game posters here who’d complain about Logan. I remember that one game where there were a couple of errors, and he misplayed a come backer or something.

    I like him. I think he’s been a solid addition. How’s that Dunn going doing for the Braves?

  43. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    “What is the reason for the dislike for Boone Logan.”

    “Booney”

  44. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “Booney”

    That’s a reason to dislike the person who calls him that, not Logan.

  45. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    booney can’t be any worse than going through life known as Nickey or or Richie, or being 40 years old and still called Chipper.

  46. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Every time there’s talk of bringing in lefty bullpen help, the first thing is, “Yeah and get rid of Logan”

    Most of the talk about bringing in a Lefty is usually discussed as a “2nd Lefty”…..but Logan is in fact nothing special…..he’s a decent relieved overall but he struggles at times getting lefties out which is really his primary goal…….he’s done a fine job for the Yankees but Lefty relievers are kinda like field goal kickers in football…..they have one job and if they screw it up they are going to hear it from the fanbase……

  47. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “or being 40 years old and still called Chipper”

    You really don’t like Chipper do you….

  48. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    “booney can’t be any worse than going through life known as Nickey or or Richie, or being 40 years old and still called Chipper.”

    If my mother was alive (she named me), she’d clean your clock!!!!!!!!!!

  49. Jacques Strappe March 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Rich you mention the offense.

    I thought it was odd how the offense could have so many flat periods or players with off seasons in 2011, but still be the 2nd highest scoring offense in the majors over the season.

    If A-Rod & Tex have seasons under .275/30/100 they’d have bad seasons by their own standards. Cano hitting around .300 & Jeter hitting around .270 would be off seasons too, and Ibanez could be just a .230 hitter or worse now. While better than most teams, I’d call those bad years for those guys. And that would be half of the team’s offense.

    But I really do expect most of them will do better than that. Maybe they could score 850-900 runs this season if all goes well (867 last yr, 2nd only to Boston) and the big bats aren’t slowed by age/injury. Having the pitching perform will be extremely important in case this offense can “only” score 800 runs all season. It looks like they’re ready to pitch well enough.

  50. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    GB – maybe it’s pepperoni poisoning.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    don’t give me ideas, Joe. Some people need to beware of delivery pizza. Best that they stick to DiGiorno.

  51. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    “or being 40 years old and still called Chipper”

    You really don’t like Chipper do you….

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Don’t really care one way or the other.

  52. Duh Innings March 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Um, do you people who endlessly prattle on about Montero know that he has played two big league games this year already? Seattle vs. Oakland in Tokyo. Seattle took the first game 3-1, Oakland took the second 4-1 behind Bartolo Colon & Co. Seattle still can’t hit their way out of a paper bag (4 runs in two games.)

    Montero went 1 for 3 with a single and a strikeout in his second game, 0 for 4 in his first, for 1 for 7 on the season. He was the DH for both games.

  53. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    “booney can’t be any worse than going through life known as Nickey or or Richie, or being 40 years old and still called Chipper.”

    If my mother was alive (she named me), she’d clean your clock!!!!!!!!!!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Good. do you think she’d clean the rest of the house when she finishes with my clock?

  54. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “Um, do you people who endlessly prattle on about Montero know that he has played two big league games this year already?’

    Duh

  55. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    I think even the people whose Montero prattling does end are aware that the Mariners have now completed two games. But thanks anyway.

  56. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    J. Strappe

    The issue is vulnerability. Here was their split v. RHP last season:

    .255 .336 .435 .771

    Despite A-Rod’s injuries, Jeter, Swisher, and Tex’s troubles hitting RHP, Granderson had what may have been an out of context season, and Cano was all-world.

    We know that Jeter and A-Rod are approaching 40, so they are vulnerable to declining performance and/or missing games.

    So the issue is are they maximizing their roster construction in terms of payroll to be able to offset any decline, and similarly, are their ML ready options in the mL to provide help if needed.

    I think the answer is no.

  57. blake March 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    The As and Mariners are tied for last place in the LC…..which seems appropriate

  58. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    “Good. do you think she’d clean the rest of the house when she finishes with my clock?”

    Go to the cemetery and ask her.

  59. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    OK, Which of you bums are responible for this?

    New York Post ? @NYPost_Yankees

    Former Yankees pitcher Pavano victim of extortion attempt, family says http://t.co/Ul17Mo4K #Yankees

  60. 56Bomber March 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “Former Yankees pitcher Pavano victim of extortion attempt”

    what goes around, comes around…

  61. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Hey, Randy…is this really you?

    John Flaherty ? @flash17yes

    Need catching or hitting instruction? Check out http://t.co/6AaLDVRv. Catching is the toughest position to find good instruction!!

    (Good deal for Chad Moeller. yanks won’t need to call him back. He’s got a job.)

  62. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Despite A-Rod’s injuries, Jeter, Swisher, and Tex’s troubles hitting RHP, Granderson had what may have been an out of context season, and Cano was all-world.

    ________________________

    Granderson’s great year was out of context. Cano was all world. Neither should be expected again.

    Swish and Tex’s off year was part of a trend.

    Good years: Don’t expect a repeat.

    Bad years: Expect a repeat.

    The POV framing this argument is clear, and needs no other illustration by me.

  63. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Blue jays finally get rid of Marc Rzepczynski because it cost too much to make jerseys of guy whose name nobody could spell or pronounce and they do it again.

    Will the Rogers Center ever be known as “The House Of Asher”

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427

    Asher Wojciechowski going for the Blue Jays today.

  64. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Why should Girardi get to make the decision? It should be Cashman.
    ———————–

    It’s shouldn’t be one or the other – it should be both of them together.

    There should be a conversation including the coaching staff (minus Kevin Long) and the scouts and then Girardi and Cashman figure it out.

  65. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    What shows more desperation for baseball than waiting for a night time ST game?

  66. m March 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    ESPN website gas a best 500 players ranking. They are at 101-150 today. Gardner ranked 141.
    Jeter at 115. But the :mad: part us the cluster of Sox players above Jeter. Bailey(113), Crawford (112), Buccholz (109).

    Swisher (138) and Kuroda (136) also make today’s list.

  67. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Why should long be left out of the decision making?

  68. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    - Beret7 -
    ESPN has the Rays vs Phillies currently on.

  69. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Chip

    Managers tend to focus on the present, GMs, often have a bias to a longer view. Given all the young arms, the long view is what needs to be prioritized.

  70. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    There is no baseball beyond Yankee baseball, at least in ST.

  71. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    The Rays should be of interest. Hellickson vs Hamels.

  72. tomingeorgia March 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    But, GB7, that lust-object Hamels is pitching. Im watching out of boredom. Have to say, though, I thoroughly enjoyed the REAL baseball from Tokyo the last couple of pre-dawn mornings. Colon was amazing, and even bigger than he was last year.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Anderson Feliz reportedly killin’ it in ST, hit two 2-run shots to right center (as LHB). He was smashing LDs when I saw him in Lakewood, and now seems to be taking a power step up. He’s got crazy tools. Where he ends up position-wise, will be interesting to see.

  74. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    A year older, a lot of the kids are showing more power, Mason included. Feliz should have a very good year.

    Camarena finally getting in a (sim) game today, as per Norris.

    Noteworthy: Hellickson has had a pretty bad ST, but still already was named Rays #3 pitcher. Nova should get similar treatment.

  75. vinny-b March 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    “I think that if Pineda doesn’t show 92-93 consistently in his next start, he will be sent to the minors”
    ——————————————

    my, how we’ve lowered the bar.

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