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Nunez at second vs. Orioles

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Phelps, not D.J. Mitchell, is listed as the Yankees starting pitcher. Looks like Mitchell is pitching in relief.

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Andruw Jones RF
Brett Gardner CF
Eduardo Nunez 2B
Francisco Cervelli C

RHP David Phelps

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226 Responses to “Nunez at second vs. Orioles”

  1. Against All Odds March 29th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Against All Odds March 29th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Doc Iac March 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    the thing that got me about the montero thing was the dude who said he was gonna give up his season tickets, what a joke

    ————————–

    He can do what he wants with his tickets though.

  2. LGY March 29th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    From rlyw:

    Here are Pineda’s average four-seam fastball velocities for each game in 2011.

    4/5: 95.2
    4/12: 95.5
    4/17: 97.2
    4/22: 95.5
    4/28: 95.2
    5/4: 96.9
    5/10: 95.8
    5/16: 94.5
    5/21: 94.0
    5/27: 95.3
    6/1: 94.1
    6/6: 95.7
    6/11: 95.2
    6/17: 94.2
    6/23: 93.0
    6/28: 94.1
    7/4: 93.9
    7/9: 94.6
    7/19: 95.4
    7/24: 94.6
    7/30: 94.8
    8/9: 94.7
    8/15: 94.5
    8/21: 92.8
    8/27: 94.1
    9/3: 93.6
    9/10: 94.7
    9/21: 91.4

  3. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    So Pineda wasn’t really airing it out with gusto on September 21.

    Something to monitor.

  4. Ys Guy March 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    broken record…

  5. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    When Longoria is facing a hard throwing Chucker, the catcher should request the Ump draw in the back line of the RH batters box. It appeared that vs Hamels, Longoria was outta the back end of the batters box repeatedly.

  6. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I used to travel throughout this country to the tune of 125,000 miles a year and I have to just say that there’s not a MLB town who’s fan base that wouldn’t love to have what Yankee fans have year in and year out……..Just look at the ballclub and all I read is this micro nik-picking over imperfections…..Well when the time comes which could be in a few years when The Yanks aren’t playing in October, maybe then you’ll appreciate what you have……The most recent drought began 30 years ago right now…….Some remember the post CBS days when that drought lasted an unthinkable 12 years……

  7. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    ..Just look at the ballclub and all I read is this micro nik-picking over imperfections…..
    ============================
    as they say in cyberworld, spot on Pat M.

  8. Ys Guy March 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    pat, i still have my tom tresh bat day bat somewhere in the closet!

  9. LGY March 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Average of 7 different projection systems from rlyw

    ERA/FIP

    CC: 3.46/3.31
    KURODA: 4.08/3.95
    Hughes: 4.32/4.18
    Pineda: 3.80/3.70

    Garcia and Nova coming in the next couple days.

  10. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    I think some people just like to analyze as per one of the functions of posting on a blog, it doesn’t mean they don’t appreciate the Yankees roster.

  11. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Those mid\late 60′s had Stottlemyre and Roy White at the tail end. Other than that, filler.

  12. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    I used to travel throughout this country to the tune of 125,000 miles a year and I have to just say that there’s not a MLB town who’s fan base that wouldn’t love to have what Yankee fans have year in and year out……..Just look at the ballclub and all I read is this micro nik-picking over imperfections…..Well when the time comes which could be in a few years when The Yanks aren’t playing in October, maybe then you’ll appreciate what you have……The most recent drought began 30 years ago right now…….Some remember the post CBS days when that drought lasted an unthinkable 12 years……

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    Pat,

    They’re just never satisfied. Yankees are moving closer to a heavily yankee farm influenced and home developed rotation and bullpen and an offense that could add more farm impliments to grow with the pitching. How many and how good. nobody knows, but, it is being designed much like the teams of the 50s and 60s. Maybe not the super studs, yet, but, you never know. Those teams were heavily built from the farms and trades made with other farm kids brought in the final pieces. I like the way it’s shaping up. Maybe in 2-3 years, the BS about not being able to develop pitching will stop.

  13. grouchonyy March 29th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Bobby Murcer, also (both before and after military service)

  14. m March 29th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I love this team, Pat M, warts and all. But I do respect the right of people to voice their opinions. It was a little broken record for a while, but the tune will change when the season starts up.

    There will be lots of talk most likely this weekend. I think Girardi will announce the rotation. He usually likes to do it on the say of rest (Sunday ;) ).

  15. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    most of the “fans” that complain might be really young or really old.
    both lack patience.
    we can also add in really spoiled, as they are used to always winning…

  16. m March 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    *day

  17. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    but the tune will change when the season starts up.
    ================================
    if they don’t open up 0-2.

  18. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    You mean filler like 20 game winner, Fritz Peterson, ’68 ROY Stan Bahnsen, Murcer and right after that, Munson, Doc Medich and players good enough to bring in Nettles and Chambliss?

  19. LGY March 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Just CAIRO

    ERA/FIP

    CC: 3.24/3.23
    KURODA: 4.01/3.92
    Hughes: 4.49/4.26
    Pineda: 4.06/3.79
    Garcia: 4.28/4.28
    Nova: 4.48/4.52

  20. m March 29th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Whining, winning. It all goes hand in hand. :P

  21. Yankee Trader March 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I like the way it’s shaping up. Maybe in 2-3 years, the BS about not being able to develop pitching will stop.
    ————————————————–
    GB-
    Maybe you can convince Randy of that and he would be able to give Pineda a chance before sweeping him under the rug.

  22. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    As the farm becomes more and more of a factor, people will be forced to develop patience. Just as they are doing now with the recent trade for young players. Fans who never were before have suddenly become very patient while the mlb kids evolve unlike when IPK, Hughes, Joba were kids. It’s a nice change. Well, except for with Hughes who is still a whipping boy to some.

  23. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    i thought whining and losing went more hand in hand…

  24. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    GB….Great point, however The Yanks used to use their Financial might and sign anyone and everyone they choose to…As we know and you have pointed out several times, they passed on some HOF’ers due to racial ignorance…..The draft was a way of handcuffing them in the mid 60′s much as the new CBA is attempting to do the same….At least Cashman had a head start in preparing for this……..Yankeefem, I understand your rationale of course, but you have to admit some of what is posted is absurd…….Just my perspective of course

  25. grouchonyy March 29th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Of course, they traded Bahnsen for Rich McKinney. That blew up quickly

  26. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    I look for the Yanks to get outta the blocks quickly. Weak TB offense to start, and they’ll be jazzed facing Pujols\Angels in the Home Opener.

  27. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    one of the reasons fans have more patience now is that the team is so solid.
    they can afford to wait for the youngsters.

  28. blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Pineda averaged 97 for a start last year…..that’s crazy…..pretty clear he started to.wear down though in the 2nd half just a tick…..either that or he started trying to learn to cruise at lower velos …..something lots of good pitchers learn to do…..

  29. m March 29th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Winning, whining, potato, tomato.

  30. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Losing Bouton, Downing and Tresh just crippled the Yanks along with the early retirements of Richardson and Kubek…..Then just add in the idiot trades of Maris and Boyer…..It was the pitching that sent them in a spiral downward

  31. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Pat M. I think a lot of what is posted might be considered absurd from someone’s perspective. But if the post has substance, and makes me think, even if I disagree with it, I welcome it. I also think what gets lost in the mix is that we all love the Yankees even if we have our different ways of expressing it.

  32. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Pineda averaged 97 for a start last year…..that’s crazy…..pretty clear he started to.wear down though in the 2nd half just a tick…..either that or he started trying to learn to cruise at lower velos …..something lots of good pitchers learn to do…..
    =============================
    blake…excellent point.
    look at carmelo anthony.
    he is just starting to evolve as a basketball player.
    learning to be more than just a scorer.

  33. Bo knows March 29th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Personally, I don’t see a better management team than Cashman and Co. With the caveat, that you have to put a high end product on the field every year. Towers, who’s a top flight GM in his own right came to Yankees to learn how they did things. Who else but Cashman would tell the fans the straight goods “This trade could blow up, but we felt this was the way to go”

    As to Girardi – where the Manager makes a difference is in the BP and Girardi is a master at BP management. No team histrionics, no Bronx Zoo. He backs his players. No performing arts by Girardi, a nice quiet professional. I appreciate that.

    All the half baked kvetching done on here is so much noise, as in “You don’t know what you’ve got…”

  34. Yankee Trader March 29th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    It’s too early to make assumptions about Pineda. He was brought into camp and immediately instructed by coaches to work on his changeup. If he’s not complaining of arm fatigue, like Hughes was last year in camp, I’m going to think positive that he’ll soon be the beast that the Yankees traded for.

    Put him in the rotation at #5 and he’ll open in Baltimore and at home with the Twins-a chance for him to gain confidence and start 2-0!

  35. luis March 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Hello again,

    Hopefully i´ll be able to share some posts with you guys this afternoon. I woukld love to be able to post in the morning, but that´s generally impossible for me.

    GB7,

    Thanks for the info. That means that even if i can´t watch the games i´ll be able to hear them. Awesome! :) I might even be able to have an intelligent discusssion on the propects! ;)

    Pat M,

    I must say that i think you are one of the posters i respect the most. You always add something insightful to the conversation. You are right that some things that have been said might have been over the top, but it has happened on both ends of the spectrum. Hopefully as you say, the topics will change as the season heats up.

  36. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    “Maybe you can convince Randy of that and he would be able to give Pineda a chance before sweeping him under the rug.”

    hey it’s not my fault he showed up in spring training looking like a python who ate a pig and having a fastball like jamie moyer because he was out of shape.

  37. Duh Innings March 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    What is David Robertson’s deal? Check out the below ridiculous tweet, ridiculous because Joba just got injured playing on a trampoline and Robertson is asking about a go-kart park, which means he wants to drive a go-kart – what else? That’s right D-Rob, get in a go-kart then injured in a crash. Idiot.

    “DRob30 profile

    DRob30 Anyone been to Pole Position in Jersey City? Good deal via Daily News for 2 go kart races there taps.la/GXftV1 #spon”

  38. DONNYBROOK March 29th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Yanks went down-hill in the 60′s due to corporate ownership. Their expertise was putting together a TV Lineup, NOT a Baseball Lineup.

  39. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    As the farm becomes more and more of a factor, people will be forced to develop patience. Just as they are doing now with the recent trade for young players. Fans who never were before have suddenly become very patient while the mlb kids evolve unlike when IPK, Hughes, Joba were kids. It’s a nice change. Well, except for with Hughes who is still a whipping boy to some.

    ___________________________________

    Been saying this for weeks and been getting perplexed responses. $189m is going to place emphasis on the farm system and actually incorporating youth on this team.

    It’s going to change the way Yankee fans perceive the farm system and I think open up a whole new, very interesting world that by lack of necessity wasn’t prioritized.

    Sometimes you find good in unexpected places. I think the next few years if going to open a whole new world for Yankees fans.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    He can do what he wants with his tickets though.
    ///

    Hey Odds. Yea, I’m guessing Hal and Hank won’t starve, so that’s a relief to my conscience.

    And now, at least, some other sucker can eat those zillion April rain-games :D.

    I tell you what I’m grateful for: this nice slice of queso de mano I’m about to devour. Thank you, Colorado dairy farmers!

  41. Yankee Trader March 29th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    PatM-

    Maris-underappreciated for his terrific arm in Right
    Boyer- one of the best, on par with Brooks Robinson, as a defensive 3rd baseman.

    One of the problems the Yankees had in the lean years is they brought in to many players that were used to starting, but were used off the bench, creating an unhappy atmosphere.

  42. blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Henson, Marshall, and Barnes to enter draft…..Marshall is the one Im most sad about.

  43. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    maybe the yanks just got old back in the mid 60′s ,had no farm team and other teams stopped trading with them.

  44. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Sometimes you find good in unexpected places. I think the next few years if going to open a whole new world for Yankees fans.

    Maybe those that are already immersed in this world will cop less sht from that crowd :twisted:

  45. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    hey it’s not my fault he showed up in spring training looking like a python who ate a pig and having a fastball like jamie moyer because he was out of shape.

    _______________________________

    Well, change-up, at least you’ve finally given up the ruse that this hasn’t been about you targeting Pineda since the night the trade was made before even seeing him or knowing a thing about him.

    You got to admire someone honest about a lack of pretense of credibility.

  46. Yankee Trader March 29th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Randy-

    Too funny! :)

    What were your 1st impressions when Bartolo Colon was brought in, only to watch him later when he became a starter throwing 94 with movement in the late innings?

  47. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    How could the Yanks let Bartolo walk?

  48. luis March 29th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Hi JAP!,

    Serendipity again!

    ” I tell you what I’m grateful for: this nice slice of queso de mano I’m about to devour. Thank you, Colorado dairy farmers!”

    Did you know that the typical cheese in Venezuela is ” Queso de mano” ?

  49. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    How could the Yanks let Bartolo walk?

    True, they should have got him a rascal.

  50. Crawdaddy March 29th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    “hey it’s not my fault he showed up in spring training looking like a python who ate a pig and having a fastball like jamie moyer because he was out of shape.”

    Is that the best you can come up with?

  51. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    when is it going to dawn on people on the blog that if pineda wasn’t a high maintenance guy they wouldn’t be talking about him all the time.

    pineda is a work in progress and he’s really raw as a pitcher right now.

    i’m pretty sure he’s going to have AJ like highs and lows.

    when he’s doing great he’s going to look great and when he going bad he’s going to look like crap.

    the blog will be reacting in extremes both ways.

    what i’m really saying about pineda is he needs a whole lot of work to be an ace or a #2.
    i’m not saying he can’t get there.

    i’m just saying he’s likely no immediate ace or #2.

  52. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    by the way, AJ was pretty good when he was young.

  53. RMS March 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    most of the “fans” that complain might be really young or really old.
    both lack patience.

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    Insulting remark, Mick.
    Does that mean the ones not really young or really old don’t complain and have patience?
    I don’t think their age matters, it depends on the person.

  54. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Donnybrook…..Solid point, CBS started to siphon money away from the club and into their programming development department rather than their player develpment and the farm system dried up quickly……But the system was loaded as the decade of the 60′s started……For as much as I don’t care for Bill Madden, in his book on George a few years ago he did a good job on touching base on this…But as grouchonny pointed out, they made some real bad trades and Stan Bahnson was the worst maybe….But the Boyer, Marisand Downing give aways were brutal as well…..

  55. grouchonyy March 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    MLB instituted the draft in the mid 60s. The Yankees didn’t apart that feel, having been able to cherry pick up until then. The CBS ownership was clueless, in addition. When as mentioned, the stars got old or traded for the likes of Bill Robinson, it was down the crapper in a hurry. George when he came in brought Gabe Paul with him. That turned the operation around. Too bad George thought that hiring pros made him one.

  56. m March 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Bo does know!

    “You can’t always get what you want…”

  57. blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “when is it going to dawn on people on the blog that if pineda wasn’t a high maintenance guy they wouldn’t be talking about him all the time.”

    Anybody they traded Montero for would have been talked about all the time…..the AJ comparison doesn’t fit…..AJ never had anywhere near the command that Pineda showed at 22.

  58. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    if pineda has the brain or makeup of aj we are in trouble…
    there has been no evidence of that.
    he is still an unknown quantity in that regard.

  59. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “What were your 1st impressions when Bartolo Colon was brought in, only to watch him later when he became a starter throwing 94 with movement in the late innings?”

    i thought he was livan light.

    or was that livan heavy?

    i gets confusing, but colon was amazing last year.

    i was fascinated with colon.

    i still am and wonder about that stem cell replacement therapy he did.

  60. grouchonyy March 29th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    make that adapt

  61. blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 33m DePaula hit 94 today. I asked Nardi how high he expects him to hit in the future. His answer? “100.” #Yankees

  62. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    I took the over 9.5 wins for Bartolo, nice start this morning. He might get half of them from the Mariners. :grin:

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    # luis March 29th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Hi JAP!,

    Serendipity again!

    ” I tell you what I’m grateful for: this nice slice of queso de mano I’m about to devour. Thank you, Colorado dairy farmers!”

    Did you know that the typical cheese in Venezuela is ” Queso de mano” ?
    ///

    Naw…really??? I just picked some up at my Whole Foods! She offered me 3 different raw goat cheese samples (I don’t do the cow’s milk). I liked ‘queso’ best, so we bought it. You’re freakin’ me out, primo! How’d you like our boy breaking up Colon’s no hit bid? He’ll be raking in no time!

  64. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I don’t think their age matters, it depends on the person.
    =====================================
    to an extent, you might be right, don’t take it personally if it doesn’t fit, but doesn’t your experience, dictated by what you’ve seen in your life, hence years on earth or lack of them, have something to do with how you perceive things?

  65. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I still think that The Yanks will be up for sale before the decade is over……

  66. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    blake, no surprise there re: DePaula.

  67. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Randy

    1. It’s New York – they talk about everyone all the time

    2. He’s a high profile young pitcher who was traded for a high profile prospect, thus more to talk about

    3. AJ Burnett’s best years were when he was 25, 28 and 29 and 31.

    4. Pineda came in 10 pounds heavy and shed them you make it sound like he needed to be greased up to get into a uniform.

  68. luis March 29th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    Josh Norris @jnorris427 33m DePaula hit 94 today. I asked Nardi how high he expects him to hit in the future. His answer? “100.” #Yankees

    =========================

    I read somewhere that he toped at 99 in the Dominican Republic. It could be possible. Who knows.

  69. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    New target for Swisher replacement – Brandon Belt.

  70. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    when is it going to dawn on people on the blog that if pineda wasn’t a high maintenance guy they wouldn’t be talking about him all the time.
    =============================
    randy, where is the evidence of this?

  71. blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “I still think that The Yanks will be up for sale before the decade is over……”

    After the Dodgers sale….Id probably sell and buy make own collection of islands.

  72. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    New target for Swisher replacement – Brandon Belt.

    Lotta young guys getting passed over by their org…

  73. mick March 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    # Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I still think that The Yanks will be up for sale before the decade is over……
    ==========================
    That’s when the problems could really start.

  74. blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    “New target for Swisher replacement – Brandon Belt.”

    Why would the offense starved Giants trade him?

  75. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “Anybody they traded Montero for would have been talked about all the time…”

    blake -

    i disagree. pineda coming into camp out of shape separated him from a lot of guys.

    there are lots of players who would never show up in the shape pineda showed up in.

    i don’t see pineda as a guy who can be given a lot of room to do his own thing.

    i was always a big backer of cano and playing relaxed , but i don’t see pineda as being this kind of guy.

    i do wonder about his idea of doing what it takes to be an ace.

    i’m not talking about the fat thing. he’s not really fat. he;s kind of skinny in a way. just out of shape.
    how can you be out of shape at 23?

    maybe i’m wrong about him, but i think he’s the kind of pitcher that need sto ne leaned on to get him to work hard.

    it’s like an election though. only 1.5 % of the vote is in. probably to soon to predict the election result

  76. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Stuckey, a few weeks? This changeover has been going on for a couple of years. Teams have been locking up their top players and the farm has become the key to success on the field. People kept waiting thinking players like Tulo would pop lose. Not exactly. I guess the new CBA has finally converted people who were previously resistant to valuing the farm and the young players. Soon everyone will be prospect hugging. It has already started with Campos and Pineda (players we deal for still tend to be deified over those we have drafted) and Manny/Sanchez (homegrown).

  77. luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    JAP,

    Ours is made from cow milk. But you have used in two days very, very Venezuelan slangs.

    i didn´t know about the son. What was it an oppo hit?

  78. blake March 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    But I agree with the idea that Cash needs to be trying to buy low on one of these high talent guys that hasn’t yet met expectations…..

  79. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    *pop loose

  80. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    4. Pineda came in 10 pounds heavy and shed them you make it sound like he needed to be greased up to get into a uniform.
    =======================
    Didn’t he, like Montero, skip winter ball?

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Giants fans are groaning that Belt should play ahead of Huff, but because of Huff, Belt’s going to the minors.

  82. Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Pineda’s plan was to show up overweight and out of shape to the Mariners’ camp until Friday, January 13. Then plans changed.

  83. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Yes, oppo hit. He has been a little antsy at the plate, but I expect him to get into a groove soon. He just needs to get back to being his patient self.

  84. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Cash said Pineda showed up “20 pounds” overweight.

  85. blake March 29th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    “i disagree. pineda coming into camp out of shape separated him from a lot of guys.”

    Honestly we don’t know his in shape or out of shape he was…..and I don’t think that has much to do with his issues this spring…..I think the most likely cause of the velocity drop is innings hangover and perhaps he’s just not there mechanically yet…..a lot of that stuff is media driven talk…..they could talk about how his CU has progressed….they choose not to…

  86. luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Stuckey, a few weeks? This changeover has been going on for a couple of years. Teams have been locking up their top players and the farm has become the key to success on the field. People kept waiting thinking players like Tulo would pop lose. Not exactly. I guess the new CBA has finally converted people who were previously resistant to valuing the farm and the young players. Soon everyone will be prospect hugging. It has already started with Campos and Pineda (players we deal for still tend to be deified over those we have drafted) and Manny/Sanchez (homegrown).

    ===========================

    More converts to our cause!! :)

  87. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Didn’t he, like Montero, skip winter ball?

    Pineda has never pitched winter ball. Ever.

  88. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    I don’t care about what Pineda is right now. I’m not interested in comparing him and Montero. We don’t even need him in the rotation now. So, he doesn’t have to be an instant ace. I’m not going to freak out about missing mph’s or where he slots or if he’s optioned. I’m not worried about Pineda.

    High maintenance? I don’t think so.

  89. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Mick, yes Pineda skipped Winter ball; wouldn’t not make sense with tired arm and innings jump.

  90. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    *would not

  91. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    “More converts to our cause!!”

    Luis, great that you will have milb. Also a fair amount of video is put up throughout season by milb beat/blog writers. I hope to shoot some video myself.

  92. Villa Nova-Ya March 29th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Nick -

    Good point. I mean, how do we know he wasn’t 30 pound overweight and once he was traded to NY worked really hard to get down it down to 20 (or 10, depending on your source of info)????

    LOL

  93. luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Didn’t he, like Montero, skip winter ball?

    ================

    Was Montero out of shape?…I don´t think so

  94. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    pineda missing winter ball could have contributed to the weight gain.
    he might always gain some weight in the winter, who knows?
    we don’t know if this is the reason for the so-called lack of velo.
    it might be intentional on his part.

  95. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    No, Montero is in great shape. But I agree that the comparisons are bipartisan BS and get really petty. Good revealer of character or lack thereof? ;)

    As for the 20 pounds, just pointing what Cash said to correct misinformation. Beyond that I know nothing.

  96. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....verweight/

    “Earlier in the week, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman offered up a possible explanation for Pineda’s lack of velocity – he showed up to camp 20 pounds heavier than he did last spring and didn’t throw a ball all offseason.”

  97. luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    YF,

    Thanks for the info on the son. Yeah, even though he took 9 pitches in the first game i liked the approach in two of his at bats. He always have been a very patient hitter, he will be fine.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    # luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    JAP,

    Ours is made from cow milk. But you have used in two days very, very Venezuelan slangs.

    i didn´t know about the son. What was it an oppo hit?
    ///

    :D. Can’t explain it, luis!

    Yea he bounced one through the right side of the infield.

  99. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    pointing out*

    Pineda is a big kid; so hard to gauge what his ideal weight is.

  100. RMS March 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    mick

    I have known people in their early twenties who have more patience than “old” people.
    That’s why I say it depends on the person.
    Some young people complain all time, some never complain.
    Some mature early, some never do.

  101. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Just a general observation, but it seems like a lot of connecting the dots leading back to Pineda/The Trade.

    If you turn over enough rocks, you’ll often find what you want. And I think some people are just looking for more dirt to throw on Cashman’s grave. :)

  102. D-Man March 29th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    “Sometimes you find good in unexpected places. I think the next few years if going to open a whole new world for Yankees fans.”

    They should have opened the new world with Montero.

    He would have generated far, far more buzz within the fanbase compared to Heathcott, Mason Williams, Laird, Almonte, Romine, Sanchez, etc.

    Fans wanted to see Banuelos, Betances, and Montero.

  103. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    you can always tell when randy is throwing crap against the wall when he doesn’t answer a simple question like how does he know pineda is high maintenance?

    the world needs to know randy, at least i do…

  104. Yankee Trader March 29th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Back to Colon.

    8 innings, 86 pitches, one run on a home today.

    Not bad for a guy who came to Yankee camp last year looking like a python who just ate a pig.

    Love that line!! :)

  105. luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Good revealer of character or lack thereof?

    Thanks YF, exactly my point.

  106. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    luis, first game he smoked that one ball and got under the other, also had the long AB. He is a little off balance though; seems like not yet in a rhythm and trying to hard to make things happen. But he had the layoff with flu and the big time change, not too worried about his hitting.

  107. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    *too hard

  108. lounge lizard March 29th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Brandon Belt plays first base. When the Giants tried him in the outfield last year, he was terrible. If they believed he could play the outfield, they wouldn’t have picked up two outfielders in the offseason to block him.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    # luis March 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    YF,

    Thanks for the info on the son. Yeah, even though he took 9 pitches in the first game i liked the approach in two of his at bats. He always have been a very patient hitter, he will be fine.
    ///

    They’re trying to stay away from outer 1/3 against him. He’ll adjust inside.

  110. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    RMS

    points well taken.
    i generalize, stereotype at times.
    i am a man, not a god. (or an animal)

  111. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    m, which people? I never like the generic “people.” It doesn’t tell us much.

  112. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “Earlier in the week, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman offered up a possible explanation for Pineda’s lack of velocity – he showed up to camp 20 pounds heavier than he did last spring and didn’t throw a ball all offseason.”
    =======================
    key word being “possible.”
    he’s too much of an unknown.

  113. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “They’re trying to stay away from outer 1/3 against him. He’ll adjust inside.”

    Yep, the hit was away. Also that one inside pitch he smoked in first game.

  114. Yankee Trader March 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Attached a BMI calculator. Unless you are solid muscle, this tells you if your normal, overweight, Obese, or if >40 morbidly obese.

    http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I really resent when work interferes with my good times!

    :)

    Just jumping in to say that Josh Beckett was interviewed on EEI and sounded as dumb as a stump! In other words, nothing is new.

    Q: Curt Schilling has been saying that things have gone right down since Bobby V took over. What do you think about that?

    H (for hayseed): I haven’t seen him around. Is he one of our pitchers?

    Q. No, he’s joined the dark side, he’s one of us now. He seems to be very down on the Red Sox and doesn’t think Bobby V is helping things. How do you feel about that?

    H: I haven’t seen him around. Is he one of our pitchers?

    ***************

    Q: I know your life is very busy right now. How do you manage all of your priorities now that you’re a father?

    H: I don’t know, we haven’t WENT through a full season yet so I don’t know what it’s going to be like.

    We haven’t went?

  116. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “you can always tell when randy is throwing crap against the wall when he doesn’t answer a simple question like how does he know pineda is high maintenance?

    the world needs to know randy, at least i do…”

    mick-

    tough concept to grasp , but i don’t jump to answer your questions. i met you half way a little earlier today. we can reverse that in a heartbeat if you’d like.

  117. RMS March 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    i am a man, not a god. (or an animal)

    ————————————————————————————–
    And I have a feeling you are a good man.

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Yankeefem,

    That’s officially the ‘dread’ spot, and everyone is fast learning that. That’s good for him, because he’s so quick, and he stays back so well, there’ll be virtually no place to pitch him.

  119. LGY March 29th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Montero didn’t skip Winter Ball. The Yankees instructed him not to play.

  120. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    YF,

    I only meant it has been a argument I’ve had for weeks. Not tying to pinpoint the origin of the new urgency.

    The $189m/2014 edict has brought the subject new attention, and I’ve been involved in discussion brought on by this, which was my point.

  121. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    “Just jumping in to say that Josh Beckett was interviewed on EEI and sounded as dumb as a stump!”

    EEI is designed for people who are dumb as a stump.

    why even listen to it unless you are stuck in gridlock somewhere and have absolutely nothing else to do?

  122. blake March 29th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    If the weight was an issue….why is he throwing the same speed now that he’s lost most of it? I think that’s just an easy explanation and probably has nothing to do with it…..coukd be he didn’t throw much this winter ans really is still building his arm……maybe its the Verducci Effect…..maybe he’s not in sync mechanically totally yet…..who knows…..maybe its all three……but as log as he’s healthy he should be fine long term on that front…..

  123. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Not you, YF.

    It saddens me that you think all my posts are directed at you. :(

    ;)

  124. RMS March 29th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    randy l has been on Pineda since Hall of Famer Jesus Montero was traded for him.

  125. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    tough concept to grasp , but i don’t jump to answer your questions. i met you half way a little earlier today. we can reverse that in a heartbeat if you’d like.
    =========================================
    randy

    i know you answer only the questions you desire, which is your right.
    just don’t know why you won’t answer this one, unless “tough concept to grasp” is your answer.
    the question being, “why is he high maintenance?”

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Just jumping in to say that Josh Beckett was interviewed on EEI and sounded as dumb as a stump! In other words, nothing is new.
    ///

    trisha, shhhh! “Howard” will be along any minute to count Big Josh’s virtuous ways.

  127. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    And I have a feeling you are a good man.
    ===========================
    Thanks for the compliment RMS.
    Some here would disagree..

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    # LGY March 29th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Montero didn’t skip Winter Ball. The Yankees instructed him not to play.
    ///

    ’twas the kiss of death.

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “Anybody they traded Montero for would have been talked about all the time”

    Absoutely agree.

    “I don’t care about what Pineda is right now. I’m not interested in comparing him and Montero. We don’t even need him in the rotation now. So, he doesn’t have to be an instant ace. I’m not going to freak out about missing mph’s or where he slots or if he’s optioned. I’m not worried about Pineda.

    High maintenance? I don’t think so.”

    Absolutely agree.

  130. Yank 97 March 29th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Jays are 21-4 this spring and they’re winning again in the 9th inning against Boston. What does it mean? You decide.

  131. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Could there be anything more annoying or boring than watching Bobby Valentine and Joe maddon trying to outsmart each other in a ball game

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Kind of idiotic to take swipes at a young hitter who would surprise no one who’s smart if he goes on to put up Hall worthy numbers. It’d only be funny if he were Shelley Duncan or something. But whatever floats your little boat, I always say.

  133. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    blake March 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    “New target for Swisher replacement – Brandon Belt.”

    Why would the offense starved Giants trade him?
    ———————-

    Well they ain’t playing him so maybe they’ll trade him.

  134. Tar March 29th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    “Henson, Marshall, and Barnes to enter draft…..Marshall is the one Im most sad about.”

    Ouch. Triple ouch. I Cant say I blame them. I hope Mcadoo comes back.

  135. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Jays are 21-4 this spring and they’re winning again in the 9th inning against Boston. What does it mean? You decide.

    Grape Fruit champs last year: Kansas City Royals & Minnesota Twins. Only 1 eventual playoff team was in the upper half.

    So Im gonna go with less than nothing.

  136. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Taking swipes at Shelley Duncan wasn’t cool or funny.

    #goodforthegoose?

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    RMS – I totally agree about personality traits carrying over. I am convinced that the people who whine and complain here do the same everywhere else in life. And the people who are patient here are likely patient elsewhere in life.

    “Jays are 21-4 this spring and they’re winning again in the 9th inning against Boston. What does it mean? You decide.”

    I decided that long before ST started.

    :)

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    “trisha, shhhh! “Howard” will be along any minute to count Big Josh’s virtuous ways.”

    Oh no. Who’s “Howard”? Does he reside on the west coast…???

  139. Bret The Hitman March 29th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    DH Jesus Montero went 1-3 last night and raised his average to .143.

  140. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    The problem with saying that the Yankees should go on the market because of what Magic paid for the Dodgers is that Magic stupidly overpaid for the Dodgers.

    If my neighbor and I both drive the same 1988 Jeep and I find some idiot willing to give me $100,000 for it, that doesn’t mean my neighbor can assume that if he sells his car he’s going to get the same price.

    Same thing with the Yankees and Dodgers. If I were Steve Cohen (for example) and the Yankees were on the block and Hal told me that based on what the Dodgers sold for it would cost me 5 billion to buy the Yankees I would laugh in his face and respond with “Magic overpaid for the Dodgers, that doesn’t mean I am going to proportionally overpay for the Yankees.”

  141. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    m, didn’t think they were about me, just think the generic “people” is kind of unproductive and would like to hear those generic people on the three sides of the fences’ rebuttals. ;)

  142. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    If I were Steve Cohen (for example) and the Yankees were on the block and Hal told me that based on what the Dodgers sold for it would cost me 5 billion to buy the Yankees I would laugh in his face and respond with “Magic overpaid for the Dodgers, that doesn’t mean I am going to proportionally overpay for the Yankees.”

    The problem is Steve Cohen is not the only one vying to buy a team. And then suddenly the price is 5 billion and Cohen also doesn’t pay for the Yankees but SOMEONE does.

  143. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Pruf, what are they doing with AAA pitching order? They have Phelps and DJ both going today. Wondering if one of the two stays up. Still thinking Dellin on Friday (fingers crossed). Manny in Syracuse. :( Upstate Kate, weekend game in your neck of the woods; you should go see Manny live if you can. :)

    We get DePaula in SI likely. Woot!

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Both Hughes and CC have come into ST out of shape in the past. I don’t remember anyone having an aneurism about it – well okay, maybe one or two people. But generally it was pretty much a nonevent here.

    Pineda and anything/everything about him is “news” and/or “stressful” and/or “distressing” because he was on the other end of the Montero trade. God, I’m surprised people aren’t monitoriing his BMs!

  145. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    “the question being, “why is he high maintenance?””

    mick-

    some people are more self contained than others. they are more driven from within.

    he’s maybe high maintenance because he chose to show up out of shape. that’s a choice.it doesn’t just happen when you are a world class athlete.

    i also said it’s too early to know for sure.

    pineda also shows up with a sudden loss of velocity. he’s full of surprises. that’s in the direction of high maintenance .

    we’re making guesses based on the really early returns. if you don’t want to play the early guessing game, you’re free to opt out.

    go outside and throw a baseball. that’ll put you ahead of where pineda was in his winter training from the reports i’ve seen.

    but now that i think about it he said he worked on his change in the winter. maybe he did throw.
    anyone have any links on what pineda did last winter to get ready for this season?

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “why even listen to it unless you are stuck in gridlock somewhere and have absolutely nothing else to do”

    I have EEI on anytime I’m in the car. If I got good reception with FAN I’d have that on. I don’t. Sports radio is my radio of choice.

  147. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    But generally it was pretty much a nonevent here.

    Really? People still call into question Hughes/Joba’s weight. And CC had to give up his favorite food.

  148. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Chip….Tink along the terms of real estate….One house is sold for a high price, genearlly all the houses go up in value…….The LA Dodgers and The Yankees are hardly a 1988 Dodge Jeep…..Only a few cars actually go up in value as time goes on…..Wish I still had my 63 Vette, or my 71 Cougar Rag top…….Every team in baseball just spiked upward in value

  149. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    If I were Steve Cohen (for example) and the Yankees were on the block and Hal told me that based on what the Dodgers sold for it would cost me 5 billion to buy the Yankees I would laugh in his face and respond with “Magic overpaid for the Dodgers, that doesn’t mean I am going to proportionally overpay for the Yankees.”

    The problem is Steve Cohen is not the only one vying to buy a team. And then suddenly the price is 5 billion and Cohen also doesn’t pay for the Yankees but SOMEONE does.
    ———

    That assumes you can find someone with those resources that is willing to spend them on a baseball team.

    As it stands, I would wager that the Dodgers will be on the block again in 3 to 5 years because this ownership group overpaid.

  150. AZ88 March 29th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Maybe if we didnt trade the next Manny/Pujols/Cabrera for him, Pineda’s weight would not be as much of an issue

    We traded the next great hitter for this guy, we have an enormous amount to lose in this deal – not the case if Hughes, Joba, Melky, etc. show up out of shape or with physical issues.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    # m March 29th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Taking swipes at Shelley Duncan wasn’t cool or funny.

    #goodforthegoose?
    ///

    Jokes usually require some real irony to be funny. Duncan’s not going to be an elite hitter in MLB. Montero is, having that rare ability to hit for both power and high average.

    Using a modifier like “Hall of Fame” for Montero lacks irony, because him going to the Hall of Fame isn’t something that his talent would preclude him from achieving. Therefore unfunny, punchless.

  152. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Chip….Tink along the terms of real estate….One house is sold for a high price, genearlly all the houses go up in value…….The LA Dodgers and The Yankees are hardly a 1988 Dodge Jeep…..Only a few cars actually go up in value as time goes on…..Wish I still had my 63 Vette, or my 71 Cougar Rag top…….Every team in baseball just spiked upward in value
    ————-

    I agree with that – but even in real estate terms – if someone buys a house valued at $800k for $1M it doesn’t necessarily mean the other houses in the neighborhood will go up in price. The one dumb owner principle doesn’t always work.

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I think it’s absolutely absurd to call Pineda high maintenance. That’s really off the charts.

    I guess Hughes is high maintainence then since he showed up both overweight and with a lack of velocity last season

    :roll:

    “we’re making guesses based on the really early returns”

    We’re? I don’t see anyone but you making guesses about Pineda based on really early returns. It’s like you have an obsession with analyzing everything about the guy.

    I don’t remember you doing that for any other player who showed up for the Yankees.

  154. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    “Could there be anything more annoying or boring than watching Bobby Valentine and Joe maddon trying to outsmart each other in a ball game”

    yeah, watching maddon actually outsmart girardi in a game is really annoying :)

    not so much of a problem with valentine.

    i think maddon is a good manager.

    i think better than girardi.

  155. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    YF,

    I was trying to think of the best way to put it.

    It seems like every issue or problem is connected (at times in the most circuitous manner) back to this trade. Like meeting the budget or too many pitchers. Then there people who pile in Pineda for not being perfect because he cost them Montero. Even though they should know that development isn’t instant or even short-term.

  156. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Yankees are not fetching much more than the Dodgers with their TV rights tied up with YES.

    TV rights (or lack of them past 2013) is what contributed to the Dodgers value.

    Yankees + YES is where the untold billions lie.

    Yankees alone with a grandfathered TV deal favorable to YES is another animal.

  157. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “We’re? I don’t see anyone but you making guesses about Pineda based on really early returns. It’s like you have an obsession with analyzing everything about the guy”

    you eat fast food and listen to EEI.

    who cares what you think?

    all those trans fats are clogging up your brain worse than a molina running the bases.

  158. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    “Really? People still call into question Hughes/Joba’s weight. And CC had to give up his favorite food.”

    Do they? Who are these people? I don’t see a lot of that. Do you do it? And who cares that CC had to give up his favorite food?

    People who are obsessive will always obsess. The majority of this forum does not seem to obsess.

  159. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West March 29th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    On this date three years ago, the Padres returned Rule 5 selection Ivan Nova to the Yankees. The right-hander broke out with a 3.70 ERA in 165 1/3 innings last year, his first full season in the Major Leagues. Here are today’s links…’

    mlbtraderumors.com

  160. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “I guess Hughes is high maintainence then since he showed up both overweight and with a lack of velocity last season”

    hughes is high maintenance.

    that’s pretty obvious.

  161. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    That assumes you can find someone with those resources that is willing to spend them on a baseball team.

    The Yankees have not been for sale for a long time. They are one of the most prestigious and well known franchises in the world with a globally recognizable symbol that stands for excellence and winning. As Stuckey says, they are in primo real estate.

    10 groups lined up to pay 3x the original price on a franchise that was twice its worth in debt. You think they can’t find a buyer to pay 2+ billion for the Yankees?

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “you eat fast food and listen to EEI.

    who cares what you think?

    all those trans fats are clogging up your brain worse than a molina running the bases.”

    :lol:

    Having a bad day randy? Upset because you’re being called on obsessing over Pineda?

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    “hughes is high maintenance”

    Funny, I see him as one of the lowest-maintenance players on the Yankees.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    “trisha, shhhh! “Howard” will be along any minute to count Big Josh’s virtuous ways.”

    Oh no. Who’s “Howard”? Does he reside on the west coast…???
    ///

    trisha, I do believe you missed the “Howard” episode in here. Howard and I went several rounds. He came in here and regaled the blog with his “Josh is a better human being than you are” stories, trying to guilt people into liking/admiring Josh Beckett. He was relentless. I don’t remember you tangling with him, and you don’t remember him, so you must have not been around. Lucky you.

  165. jacksquat March 29th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Duh Innings March 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    What is David Robertson’s deal? Check out the below ridiculous tweet, ridiculous because Joba just got injured playing on a trampoline and Robertson is asking about a go-kart park, which means he wants to drive a go-kart – what else? That’s right D-Rob, get in a go-kart then injured in a crash. Idiot.

    “DRob30 profile

    DRob30 Anyone been to Pole Position in Jersey City? Good deal via Daily News for 2 go kart races there taps.la/GXftV1 #spon”

    He needs to have kids first. Then no one could say a word.

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    We definitely differ in our definitions of high maintenance.

  167. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    trisha-

    this is for you.

    you’ll like it

    http://www.yellowpages.com/pro.....-461945209

    they’ve been there for years.

    chipotle grill is amazingly good for “fast” food.

  168. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Kind of idiotic to take swipes at a young hitter who would surprise no one who’s smart if he goes on to put up Hall worthy numbers. It’d only be funny if he were Shelley Duncan or something. But whatever floats your little boat, I always say.
    ——————-

    Rich – if you’re out there – THIS is the nonsense I was talking about earlier.

  169. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “Funny, I see him as one of the lowest-maintenance players on the Yankees.”

    huh?

    hahahahhahahahahhahahah

    good one.

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    J Al – I remember West Coast Sux Fan always singing the praises of the Sux and actually getting indignant when someone would say they weren’t all that. That’s why I wondered if “Howard” could have been an interation of him.

    :)

  171. RMS March 29th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    “We’re? I don’t see anyone but you making guesses about Pineda based on really early returns. It’s like you have an obsession with analyzing everything about the guy”

    —————————————————————————————————

    Same obsession randy l has with Montero.

  172. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    “Having a bad day randy? Upset because you’re being called on obsessing over Pineda?”

    i think you would be very unhappy seeing how much fun my days are :)

  173. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    10 groups lined up to pay 3x the original price on a franchise that was twice its worth in debt. You think they can’t find a buyer to pay 2+ billion for the Yankees?

    _____________________________

    How soon could the new owners put their TV rights onto the open market (with creating a brand new RSN as leverage) and/or renegotiate the existing deal with YES is the question that needs answering.

    Having a discussion about value of the Yankees vs the Dodgers is pointless without media rights being front and center.

    The Dodgers were not purchased for $2.1B because of ticket sales and concessions.

  174. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    That assumes you can find someone with those resources that is willing to spend them on a baseball team.

    The Yankees have not been for sale for a long time. They are one of the most prestigious and well known franchises in the world with a globally recognizable symbol that stands for excellence and winning. As Stuckey says, they are in primo real estate.

    10 groups lined up to pay 3x the original price on a franchise that was twice its worth in debt. You think they can’t find a buyer to pay 2+ billion for the Yankees?

    ————————————

    I understand how prestigious the Yankees are – they are a great trophy that would look great on any multibillionaire’s mantle.

    But these guys didn’t get to where they are by overpaying for things. Forbes values the Yankees at just shy of 2 billion – I can’t see someone coughing up 2 to 3 billion extra just because they’re the Yankees.

  175. blake March 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Tar,

    I wish Marshall was coming back….but I can understand that his value might be at its peak right now……Barnes….im fine with…..he can go shoot fade away bricks in the NBA now where nobody will care.

  176. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    ,,, but thanks for asking :)

  177. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    GB….Great point, however The Yanks used to use their Financial might and sign anyone and everyone they choose to…As we know and you have pointed out several times, they passed on some HOF’ers due to racial ignorance…..The draft was a way of handcuffing them in the mid 60?s much as the new CBA is attempting to do the same….At least Cashman had a head start in preparing for this……..Yankeefem, I understand your rationale of course, but you have to admit some of what is posted is absurd…….Just my perspective of course

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    When Topping and Webb allowed the Cowboy to outbid the Yanks in ’64 for Rick Reichardt, the writing was on the wall. He was the last big FA bonus baby before the draft came in. Center fielder with speed and power.

    The trades I understood somewhat was Maris, who was going to retire because of the hand injury and that keane and Houk lied to him about. Howard was another about to retire and he had a chance for another title with Boston. bouton had a deadly injury for pitchers, torn rotator cuff and so did Downing. The two trades that never made sense from a team standpoint was Boyer for Cox and Robinson and the Bahnsen trades. Once they sold out to CBS, they were finished.

  178. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    The irony is that those people aren’t poking fun at Montero…

  179. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    “Same obsession randy l has with Montero.”

    same obsession i had with apple computers in 1999 :)

  180. stuckey March 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    i think you would be very unhappy seeing how much fun my days are :)

    ___________________________

    Fixating over how you’re perceived in real life on a text based community is really the lowest rung in the forum ecosystems.

    Nobody cares how happy-go-lucky anyone is or is not.

    That you are concerned with said perception speaks volumes more than any quip+ emoticon ever will.

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    # yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Pruf, what are they doing with AAA pitching order? They have Phelps and DJ both going today. Wondering if one of the two stays up. Still thinking Dellin on Friday (fingers crossed). Manny in Syracuse. :( Upstate Kate, weekend game in your neck of the woods; you should go see Manny live if you can. :)

    We get DePaula in SI likely. Woot!
    ////

    I’m there, if it’s Dealin’. We’ll see how long DePaula will be in SI.

  182. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    But these guys didn’t get to where they are by overpaying for things. Forbes values the Yankees at just shy of 2 billion – I can’t see someone coughing up 2 to 3 billion extra just because they’re the Yankees.

    Ok I don’t think the Yankees would be sold for for 5 billion, but certainly more than the Dodgers. Although it also depends on what gets sold.

    stuckey is right, can’t really talk about it without including the idea of the media rights or what would be sold. If the Steinbrenners sold their stake in yankee global enterprises LLC they would be selling 35% of the YES network and their majority share of the Yankees. That would be worth a pretty penny.

    Their contract expires sometime in the next decade, and I don’t know if they can outs on re-negotiating it. If they only sold their shares of the Yankees team, then it would be less lucrative, but considering how the Dodgers holdings were put up for bid, I don’t see why the Steinbros wouldn’t want to divest themselves fully of the team and get the maximum return. If they are as ambivalent about baseball as they seem.

  183. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    “i think you would be very unhappy seeing how much fun my days are :)

    Actually not. I don’t going around wishing bad things on people or hoping they aren’t having good days. How your days go doesn’t have any influence on my life! I believe in spreading the joy around. I wish I could share the happiness I feel with everyone I know. I’d like everyone to have the same blessings that I do. I think the forum would be a lot less bogged down if they did. Happiness is infectious.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    # m March 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    The irony is that those people aren’t poking fun at Montero…
    ////

    oh.
    ‘kay.

  185. mick March 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    He needs to have kids first. Then no one could say a word.
    ====================================
    Hasn’t anyone said NO to their kids?
    Does that make you a bad parent?
    Maybe a better one…

  186. Best To Ever Do It March 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    He can do what he wants with his tickets though. ///

    Hey Odds. Yea, I’m guessing Hal and Hank won’t starve, so that’s a relief to my conscience.

    And now, at least, some other sucker can eat those zillion April rain-games .

    I tell you what I’m grateful for: this nice slice of queso de mano I’m about to devour. Thank you, Coloradodairy farmers

    —————-

    Hey JAP. Yes Hank and Hal will be ok and they’ll be no need to pass the collection plate around lol. I hope you enjoyed the queso de mano.

  187. m March 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    I agree. We should totally disregard trisha because she eats fast food.

    :roll:

  188. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    m, it was a big trade. I don’t mind there being discussion about it; I just dislike the petty bs, which is so transparent most of the time. You have those who are fair to both sides, those who trash one or the other side, and those who don’t want to even discuss the trade because if they do they will implode. Again, my policy is tolerance or/and to scroll past what I don’t want to read. One thing I don’t like though is when players are trashed because of posters’ personal biases. I have seen it enough with Hughes and Joba for a lifetime.

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    J Al – I remember West Coast Sux Fan always singing the praises of the Sux and actually getting indignant when someone would say they weren’t all that. That’s why I wondered if “Howard” could have been an interation of him.

    :)
    ///

    Maybe. Dude disappeared when they made their descent into the toilet.

  190. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    “Could there be anything more annoying or boring than watching Bobby Valentine and Joe maddon trying to outsmart each other in a ball game”

    yeah, watching maddon actually outsmart girardi in a game is really annoying

    not so much of a problem with valentine.

    i think maddon is a good manager.

    i think better than girardi.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    As with Sciosca and Larussa, I have no use for the ego driven mannagers that think they invented baseball or needs to try to reinvent the game that did pretty well without them. What has Valentine or maddon ever won? After 25 years, Larussa has what? 2-3? and sciosca has 1.

    That’s about 3 titles in 60 years of managing.

  191. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Trisha, you need Asian Paradise on Angell off Thayer to come back to Providence. I use to live on their Vietnamese bun, summer rolls and pan asian food. It was cheap and healthy. :)

  192. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    RMS March 29th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Same obsession randy l has with Montero.

    —————————–

    Randy’s obsession isn’t with Montero; it’s with Brian Cashman. Doesn’t like him and wants him fired – his fixation on Montero is because he hopes if this deal backfires on Cash it will be the instrument of his exit.

  193. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201...../#comments

    “pinada”

    chad- 2 times

    blog- 46 times

    randy-1 time

    who’s obsessed ? :)

  194. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    I thought WCRSF was banned.

  195. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Who’s pitching for the Orioles?

  196. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Anyway, I am out till later. Play nice! ;)

  197. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    YF – I definitely will try that. Sounds yummy!

    WCRSF was banned but has showed up since with different names. No idea if he’s still around.

    :)

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    See you soon YF!

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    More beisbol, less phony subtext, would be nice….

  200. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    “I agree. We should totally disregard trisha because she eats fast food.”

    m-

    what was that about butting into other people’s conversations ?

    the first rule of ragging on someone is not sticking to the point at hand.

    say the guy pitching is bald.

    that has nothing to do with anything.

    but if you’re going to rag on him, you poke fun at him being bald.

    trisha talking about nutrition the other night was a hoot right before she headed off to kentucky fried chicken.

    you couldn’t make some of this stuff up.

  201. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    “I agree. We should totally disregard trisha because she eats fast food.

    :roll:

    mel, good advice for randy.

    (I can dream, can’t I?)

  202. yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    See you later, Trish et al.

  203. Chip March 29th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    But these guys didn’t get to where they are by overpaying for things. Forbes values the Yankees at just shy of 2 billion – I can’t see someone coughing up 2 to 3 billion extra just because they’re the Yankees.

    Ok I don’t think the Yankees would be sold for for 5 billion, but certainly more than the Dodgers. Although it also depends on what gets sold.

    stuckey is right, can’t really talk about it without including the idea of the media rights or what would be sold. If the Steinbrenners sold their stake in yankee global enterprises LLC they would be selling 35% of the YES network and their majority share of the Yankees. That would be worth a pretty penny.

    Their contract expires sometime in the next decade, and I don’t know if they can outs on re-negotiating it. If they only sold their shares of the Yankees team, then it would be less lucrative, but considering how the Dodgers holdings were put up for bid, I don’t see why the Steinbros wouldn’t want to divest themselves fully of the team and get the maximum return. If they are as ambivalent about baseball as they seem.
    —————-

    I don’t perceive them as ambivalent – just maybe out of their depth a little. Remember; they weren’t supposed to be running the team – it was supposed to be Swindal until his marriage to Jennifer Steinbrenner fell apart.

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Hey JAP. Yes Hank and Hal will be ok and they’ll be no need to pass the collection plate around lol. I hope you enjoyed the queso de mano.
    ///

    Best, at least it’s healthier than Tate’s ;).

  205. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    “trisha talking about nutrition the other night was a hoot right before she headed off to kentucky fried chicken.

    you couldn’t make some of this stuff up.”

    Yeah, where she bought grilled chicken.

    Any port in a storm, right randy? I’ll say this for you. You don’t mind bloodying your head hitting it against a stone wall, just so long as you can have your say!

    :lol:

  206. jacksquat March 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    More beisbol, less phony subtext, would be nice….

    Hey, if you don’t like the posts, just scroll on by. ;)

  207. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    See you all later. No no obsessing on Pineda while I’m gone!

    :lol:

  208. mick March 29th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    less phony subtext,
    ==============
    what does that mean?

  209. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I don’t perceive them as ambivalent – just maybe out of their depth a little. Remember; they weren’t supposed to be running the team – it was supposed to be Swindal until his marriage to Jennifer Steinbrenner fell apart.

    Exactly, it wasn’t even supposed to be one of Steinbrenner’s true sons because they didnt care. Hal has… whatever Hal has and Hank has my little ponies. The fact that his true heirs weren’t tapped to run the team from the outset is why I color them as ambivalent to the whole thing. Could be wrong, maybe HAL is all in on this, but then if they are all in on it why sell the team anyways.

  210. m March 29th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    I’m not the one who says, “hey you stay out of my way and I’ll stay out of yours” or lectures people about staying out MY conversations. I have no problem with people interacting with me univited or not. It’s an open blog. But you pull this card any time you have no rebuttal. When I implore other people to do it, it’s a suggestion to help stop the nasty back and forths. .

  211. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    “Randy’s obsession isn’t with Montero; it’s with Brian Cashman. Doesn’t like him and wants him fired – his fixation on Montero is because he hopes if this deal backfires on Cash it will be the instrument of his exit.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201...../#comments

    “cashman”

    blog- 8

    randy- 0

    chip-1

    knock it off chip :)

  212. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    As long as Hank and Joan Steinbrenner are alive, the Yanks won’t be sold. Hal probably would in a heartbeat. The daughters, among them would probably be Jessica that would vote to sell. Jennifer seems to enjoy being Mrs. Yankee because of the social connections…the female face of the team.

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    # jacksquat March 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    More beisbol, less phony subtext, would be nice….

    Hey, if you don’t like the posts, just scroll on by. ;)
    ///

    Oh, I do, I do. I see more “blur” than words. Sometimes, though, this place is like, people pick an argument so they can get back at their dysfunctional relatives they can’t tell off in real life. “But I’m not your mother!” “But I’m not your uncle Stewart!”

  214. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    New ownership could be worse, although anyone who signs off on Montero being traded for pitching, when a team already has pitching, I won’t shed tears to see go.

    Later.

  215. jacksquat March 29th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    “Randy’s obsession isn’t with Montero; it’s with Brian Cashman. Doesn’t like him and wants him fired – his fixation on Montero is because he hopes if this deal backfires on Cash it will be the instrument of his exit.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…../#comments

    “cashman”

    blog- 8

    randy- 0

    chip-1

    knock it off chip

    Randy, your hatred of Cashman is well established on this board.

    I’m surprised you weren’t at his last rappel event…

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Some players are dumb good.

    That means, even dumb people can see how good they are.

    Ciao.

  217. Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Keep in mind that the new Dodger ownership paid cash for this so there’s no monthly payments, plus they get a ballpark that is paid for……Now the new TV contract will be up for bidding and it’s expected to reach somewhere in the 5 billion dollar mark for 20 years…….They’ll start making their moves this winter as they’ll expand their 45 million dollar payroll and the turnstiles will once again spin 4 million Dodger fans back into Chavez Ravine per season…….I don’t know what the monthly house payments are for the 1.5 billion dollar New Yankee Stadium, but it has to be quite impressive…….In order for the Yanks to keep getting people to The Bronx and to keep YES revenues high they have to keep winning and that’s going to be a challenge in the years ahead……The NY Yankees are right now a cash cow organization, however they have lot’s of debt beyond the new ballpark……..

  218. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Interesting article on the shift.

    http://www.actasports.com/stats_detail/?StatId=324

  219. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    ” Jennifer seems to enjoy being Mrs. Yankee because of the social connections…the female face of the team.”

    gb7-

    on of us should go “woo” jennifer and marry her.

    then we could really piss off the blog being a yankee senior vice president .

    even though i’m better looking than you not to mention being a better speller, i think since she’s getting up there in years that you’d be better for the job :)

  220. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    “Randy, your hatred of Cashman is well established on this board.”

    chip- 2

    randy-0

  221. Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    How gracious to acknowledge that Chip is beating you at this particular argument.

  222. Nilsson March 29th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    blake March 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Tar,

    I wish Marshall was coming back….but I can understand that his value might be at its peak right now……Barnes….im fine with…..he can go shoot fade away bricks in the NBA now where nobody will care.

    ———————————————————————————

    Tough for UNC to lose him early, but NBA teams will be salivating to draft Marshall. He’s one of the best pure passers. Good PG play is a hot commodity in NBA nowadays.

  223. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    ” Jennifer seems to enjoy being Mrs. Yankee because of the social connections…the female face of the team.”

    gb7-

    on of us should go “woo” jennifer and marry her.

    then we could really piss off the blog being a yankee senior vice president .

    even though i’m better looking than you not to mention being a better speller, i think since she’s getting up there in years that you’d be better for the job

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Isn’t Jennifer and Stevel Swindal back together?

    as far as age, you’re a better fit for Joan, though I can see you as a fit for Jessica. She has a fondness for the horses, so, as a horse’s ass, you’d be a nearly perfect choice.

    Sorry, Bud….just to easy to let that one go by.

  224. randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    “Sorry, Bud….just to easy to let that one go by.”

    gb7-

    yeah, fastball down the middle, you gotta go for it.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1.....hotostream

    actually i think i met jessica in this photo.

    she’s the one sitting in front of me.

  225. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    :fright:

  226. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    :shock:

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