Spring training Game 27: Yankees vs. Orioles
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 29, 2012 
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YANKEES (13-10-3)
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Andruw Jones RF
Brett Gardner CF
Eduardo Nunez 2B
Francisco Cervelli C
RHP David Phelps (0-1, 1.64)
Phelps minor league numbers
ORIOLES (10-11-5)
Nolan Reimold LF
Nick Johnson DH
Nick Markakis RF
Adam Jones CF
Matt Wieters C
Mark Reynolds 3B
Chris Davis 1B
Robert Andino SS
Ryan Flaherty 2B
RHP Jason Hammel (0-0, 3.09)
Hammel vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES Network
WEATHER: Few clouds in the sky, but otherwise another nice day here in Tampa. Very light breeze.
UMPIRES: HP Marty Foster, 1B Mike Estabrook, 2B Vic Carapazza, 3B Mike Hamari
ORIOLES PEN: After Jason Hammel, the Orioles are scheduled to pitch RHP Pedro Strop, LHP Troy Patton and RHP Darren O’Day.
HOT BAT: Orioles catcher Matt Wieters has eight hits in his past 10 at-bats dating back to March 23. Before that, he was 3-for-30 this spring.
HARD TO BEAT: The Yankees have lost just one of their past nine games. They’re 5-1-3 in that span.
NOVA’S LINE: Ivan Nova finished today’s Triple-A start with this line: 7.1IP, 7H, 3ER, 1BB, 5K. He threw 94 pitches, 63 strikes. All three runs came in his final two innings (one in the seventh and two in the eighth).
UPDATE, 7:29 p.m.: Home run No. 2 for Raul Ibanez came on a 2-2 pitch. Would have been his second homer in as many days if not for Jason Heyward’s catch yesterday. It’s a 1-1 game in the bottom of the second.
UPDATE, 7:54 p.m.: Back-to-back doubles of Phelps have given the Orioles a 2-1 lead in the fourth. Phelps has been 90-92 with his fastball, hitting 93 on one scout’s gun.
UPDATE, 7:56 p.m.: Bad throw by Jeter puts runners at ther corners with one out for the Orioles.
UPDATE, 8:24 p.m.: Impressive work by Phelps to strikeout the heart of the Orioles order and strand runners at second and third. Really nice pitch to get Wieters looking to end the inning. It’s a 3-1 Baltimore lead through four and a half.
UPDATE, 8:38 p.m.: That’s weird. Rivera just pitched a scoreless inning.
UPDATE, 8:53 p.m.: Another hit for Raul Ibanez, this one an RBI single to make it a 3-2 game. He actually has been swinging quite a bit better these past few games.
@JackCurryYES
Girardi answered more rotation questions. CC/Kuroda are set. I believe Hughes is, too. Nova/Pineda vs Garcia. I don’t see Garcia winning.
Thanks Chad for the Nova info….Is he making the rotation?
Go process!
Nick in SF…….I have Stanford + 2 and The Lakers + 1 tonight…..Go Cardinal
Obviously!
JF,
It makes sense, regardless of how good Garcia has looked. They have to look beyond this year, which means that they have to leave the pitchers with a future with the team. It may be unfair with him though.
What part of that team isn’t well, constructed, Randy. More rotation depth than they’ve had in 50 years, a bullpen to die for, a slugging center fielder, speed, sluggers at 2nd and two infield corners, a right fielder that is no dog and a pretty solid and versatile bench. Add to that, a blossoming farm system.
Nick Johnson is on a record run…..Not being injured for more than ten days.
With Baltimore wanting to get Maxwell, get Reimold for him. He has an option or two left. Power, not a bad corner outfield. Houston has next to nothing of interest.
Still dreaming of Markakis in pinstripes.
But happy that Gardner still is.
Paging Orioles pitchers…..No hit by pitch batters please.
With Baltimore wanting to get Maxwell, get Reimold for him.
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Why would the O’s swap Reimold for Maxwell?
Jack Curry ? @JackCurryYES
Girardi said rotation battle loser isn’t definite 2 go 2 pen. If it’s Garcia, he’s pen-bound. If Nova or Pineda, would start at Triple A
hot smash and bad play
GB7,
That would be the smart choice if either Nova or Pineda are sent to triple A.
Phelps isn’t as sharp with the location tonight as normal.
DePaula video
Josh Norris ? @jnorris427
VIDEO: Rafael DePaula warms up in the bullpen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....e=youtu.be #Yankees
I dont believe what I just saw.
And Ibanez is making me look bad yet again..
“What part of that team isn’t well, constructed, Randy.”
the catching is league average at best.
the starting pitching has the potential to be good, but we have to see that first.
i have no idea what to expect from arod.
the yankees would be a much better team without him because of the contract.
teixeira has regressed and again is a contract that hurts.
i love granderson but there’s a lot of talk the yankees can’t afford to keep him.
if that’s the case, i’d rather they would have kept austin jackson and kennedy.
swisher seems gone after this year.
i guess my theme is that in the new financial reality this team is just a snapshot that is going to change soon.
rivera will be gone soon.
i’ll enjoy his last hurrah and ignore a whole lot of stuff .
but i do agree the team is in better shape than most other teams.
i just don’t love the style of baseball they are playing.
girardi has been a disappointment.
i think i would have preferred they would have gone younger and stayed within the organization if they can’t afford to keep the higher priced players like granderson , swisher , and martin to an extent.
i don’t have a feeling of them having figured out the new financial reality.
No wonder they brought in a new pitching coach – the Orioles, that is. They had nothing to lose going by those numbers that Cone just stated.
I think Raul started swinging before the pitcher released the ball.
“I dont believe what I just saw.”
did you look outdoors and see green grass?
That fan seemed pretty excited about Ibanez getting a hit.
I’ll worry about who goes, who stays and who come in after the season. Why get upset or complain about November and December in March. I’m not going out and buying a snow blower in March becausr it might snow in September, or a rake in December to worry about leaves in October.
Tar March 29th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I think Raul started swinging before the pitcher released the ball.
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Good third inning from Phelps
Too much patience, GB7. Be prepared.
If Curry is a mouth piece then it seems like Garcia will be the odd man out.
who was just talking about tony cloninger on air in reference to pettitte ?
i just heard the tail end of it.
tomingeorgia March 29th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Too much patience, GB7. Be prepared.
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I work my planning year on 4 calanders. One is a one year calander that has everything that has to be done with room to add, long range plans. The 2nd is for the first4 months of the year that has things to be acomplished with priority. the 2nd 4 months are May-Aug, for mid term planning and working of the things on the first calander. The last is for short term planning and cleaning up any left over work (Sept-Dec). everything is flexable.
Maybe we can trade Phelps for Riemold.
Honestly not very impressed with what can see of Phelps’ pitch movement/location. Hard to tell on TV sometimes though.
im wondering if this will be the year wieters breaks out and lives up to what people expected of him. ba had him as the #1 prospect one year. 22hr 68 rbi last year, so he’s brought it up but still…
JackCurryYES
Hughes, Pineda and Nova all have options, but a scout noted that it’s dicey to demote a player who is far removed from conquering Triple A
GB7,
I try to be prepared for what tomorrow brings. Yanks should, too.
so he’s brought it up but still…
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He is already the top defender at catcher, which is partly why he was such a highly rated prospect.
“Honestly not very impressed with what can see of Phelps’ pitch movement/location. Hard to tell on TV sometimes though.”
He’s a typical cookie-cutter type pitcher – perfect for the Twins. Slider-speed, good control, upside as a mid-rotation guy. Perfect Minnesota Twin.
Is it me or Jeter looks like he might have lost a little strength on the arm?
Andino has been turning into a pretty solid ball player.
Destroy the Orioles.
“I think Raul started swinging before the pitcher released the ball.”
lol….he is probably guessing a lot….but some guys become good guessers and he is having better AB’s lately….that ball he hit was positively crushed and was an up and in fastball at 94….which is still somewhat encouraging that he could get to it.
“Is it me or Jeter looks like he might have lost a little strength on the arm?”
eh he’s probably lost a little….but he’s gotten very good at the Cal Ripken Jr technique of throwing it just hard enough to get the runner by a half step every time.
JackCurryYES
Hughes, Pineda and Nova all have options, but a scout noted that it’s dicey to demote a player who is far removed from conquering Triple A
the only two options should be….Garcia to the pen….Pineda to AAA
Let Pettite get his legs under him in AAA and keep him down there until the ASB, then trade Kuroda to the Dodgers, Cardinals, or Nationals at the deadline and trade Garcia to the Twins for a prospect or two. Then we can have CC-Hughes-Nova-Pineda-Pettitte in the rotation with Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, and Banuelos as back-up.
Check out Josh Norris. He has plenty of video on DePaula and more coming on Campos, Polanco and Camarena. a lot of it is on his twitter.
Infield has been pretty shaky tonight and not doing Phelps a lot of favors.
Phelpsy. Well now they have to trade him.
Girardi just said Phelpsy…..except him in the big leagues soon.
Never count my Orioles out of it! (all of the AL East are our compatriots – well almost all!)
Anyway, we owe them an unending debt of gratitude for starting the sink of the Suxtanic!
Hey, you can’t begrudge them some wins, can you?
Even a poor tailor is entitled to some happiness!
Anyone?
Phelpsy, Nunezy, Cervellizy, Hughesy…And soon Betancesy, Banuelosy
No wins for the Orioles, they hurt Yankees with beanballs.
Very good come back from Phelps
What a great job of pitching by Phelps. Looked like David Robertson…runners on 2nd and 3rd, not outs and three straight strikeouts.
Trisha, I answered your question the other night, the 9.5 is added to the final number of wins, it’s not related to the standings. The .5 is so there is no tie. So it would be the Orioles’ win total plus 9.5, which is then compared to the Redsocks’ win total.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
I rather beat them all the time…..Unless it helps to sink the suxtanic faster.
Singleton laughed at Cerveli for ducking out of the way of the curve right over the plate.
The hell with the aL East ne’re do wells. I have no compassion for any team to do well except one. I don’t want competition. I want a perfect season by NY. A complete walk-over. 22-0 every game.
“Phelpsy, Nunezy, Cervellizy, Hughesy…And soon Betancesy, Banuelosy”
Oh luisy!
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
“Phelpsy, Nunezy, Cervellizy, Hughesy…And soon Betancesy, Banuelosy”
Oh luisy!
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GB7 -
I’m with you on that one.
Especially not a team that seems to have as one of its missions to try to disable a Yankee at least once a game.
Ditto, super impressed by Phelps. Any kid with his array of pitches that can bring it up to 94 is not a cookie cutter pitcher. How does he compare to Hughes? The kid is a gamer.
“The hell with the aL East ne’re do wells. I have no compassion for any team to do well except one. I don’t want competition. I want a perfect season by NY. A complete walk-over. 22-0 every game.”
Compassion is so necessary for those less fortunate than us – that would be the rest of the league. (except for you know who)
“No wins for the Orioles, they hurt Yankees with beanballs.”
But not lately, right?
In baseball, it’s “If you can’t keep up, get the Hell out of the way or get run over” sort of world. Yankee eat dog.
But not lately, right?
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They literally just hit Andruw Jones.
nick – I asked another question after that. Would it be the equivalent (without the 9.5 boost) of the Sux finishing 3 games out and the O’s finishing 12.5 games out?
Also, do you want to give me the same spread for the Jays?
I’m taking the Jays straight up but will of course take anything you’re willing to add to it!
Hit 8 Yankees last year too, the most of any team they faced.
“They literally just hit Andruw Jones.”
Just came in and so didn’t see that.
Unless you believe it was on purpose, those things happen. Our pitchers also hit guys at times.
“No wins for the Orioles, they hurt Yankees with beanballs.”
But not lately, right?
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They hit Jones tonight, even though i ask them nicely. Maybe i should have taken Girardi’s strategy….. Pleasy nosy hitsy by pitchsy tonightsy.
Bo knows March 29th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Ditto, super impressed by Phelps. Any kid with his array of pitches that can bring it up to 94 is not a cookie cutter pitcher. How does he compare to Hughes? The kid is a gamer.
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Phelps and Warren may have “cookie-cutter” stuff, but, he makes the best cookies he can with what he has.
“Trishy!!”
how about “Lucy”
http://peanuts.wikia.com/wiki/Football_gag
Unless you believe it was on purpose, those things happen. Our pitchers also hit guys at times.
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Singleton & Cone intimated the O’s do it on purpose.
They hit Chris Dickerson in the head last year. They are wreckless.
“8 Yankees last year too, the most of any team they faced.”
This is a new year. I don’ t believe that it was done on purpose. The O’s don’t seem to be a vengeful team.
But I certainly respect anyone feeling the way they do. After all, we had one of the biggest head hunters on the Yankees in Clemens. I was never impressed with his gig, even when he was a Yankee.
Forget about games out. Just win total. If tbe Orioles win 75 games, add 9.5 to that number to get 84.5 games. If the Socks won more than 84.5, I’d win. Fewer, you’d win. Bet is void if either team doesn’t play the full 162 games IF the unplayed game could affect the outcome of the bet.
No bonus on Toronto, they might be pretty good.
reckless.
Mo is done…He allow a base hit.
randy, please stop with your immaturity. You are one of the most vengeful posters I’ve ever come across. I think you’re energized by attempting to put people down. It’s really unattractive.
The O’s don’t seem to be a vengeful team.
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Careless and stupid are just as dangerous as vengeful.
Randy,
?????
That was the heart of the Baltimore order by Phelps.
Lost the feed. II know Tex had a double, was it the other way?
nick, I’m asking you the other way around because I am trying to visualize it. So just answer please.
If the Sux finished 3 games out of first, how many games out of first with the O’s be in order for us to tie on that bet? (figure the 9.5 but answer it my way)
“?????”
luis-
it’s an old blog joke i tease trisha with because she doesn’t like it.
” lucy” is a popular character in peanuts.
They are wreckless.
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more like they are wreckful.
Double up the right center gap.
jerkface, I don’t blame you and I don’t blame anyone else. I know I have an odd way of looking at these things but I can’t help it. I always end up feeling bad for the teams that have trouble achieving. I wish I could purge myself of that but I was born with that characteristic with respect to “lesser thans”.
ibanez is looking pretty good tonight for an old guy.
randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Ok, but if she doesn’t like it, why do it?….I know you are better than that. I hope at least
I always end up feeling bad for the teams that have trouble achieving.
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But why would you feel bad for a team that fails to achieve in a thuggish, spiteful way? Did you cheer for the Rays in 08 when they broke Cervelli’s wrist in a ST game? You’re asking for people take pity on those that do not deserve it.
The royals are loveable scamps, the Orioles are a team of dangerous head hunters led by a scowling, angryman. They hit Dickerson in the head, Jeter and Cano on the wrist last year.
The bet is designed so there can’t be a tie if both teams play 162 games, but if the Socks finish 3 games out, the Orioles would have to finish 13 games out for me to win, 12 or fewer and you would win.
But the bet is just on the number of wins, just like our bets this past season. Orioles # of wins +9.5 vs Socks # of wins.
And Socks vs Jays straight up if you want that one too.
jerkface, all of the Rays didn’t break Cervelli’s wrist, just like all of the O’s didn’t hit the Yankees. I don’t appreciate any pitcher who throws at hitters. But if it’s an issue of control, all I can hope is that nobody gets hurt.
I don’t want anyone to take pity. I’m just telling you that I can’t help it.
nick, I just needed to be able to visualize it is all.
I’ll take both bets.
I have respect for the “lesser thans”….especially in baseball against the Yankees. I respect their losses mean Yankee wins.
GB –
jerkface, all of the Rays didn’t break Cervelli’s wrist
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But their leader endorsed it.
I wouldn’t expect any less from a Green Beret! You come by it honestly.
Sounds good, we can discuss the choco-stakes later, gotta hit the road. The Golden Gate Bridge beckons.
The thing is that Warren and Phelps look ready for the next step. A smart team that’s looking for pitching should be working overtime to pry a couple of arms from the Yankees. They’re backed up in pitching.
Will do. Watch out for the GGB, especially in the fog!
Booooooo…get rid of Logan. He allowed a pop up.
“But their leader endorsed it.”
Then hate their leader. They seem like a pretty nice bunch of kids to me, hard workers.
Near great catch
Bo,
Mitchell has looked very well too.
randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
try this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1…..hotostream
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Randy, nice photos, I like the Santa Cruz circa 1970-I was working in Silicon Valley that year, did you ever eat at Manuel’s in Aptos while you were there? Back then, a combination plate and a beer cost about $3 and the place was packed until mid-night almost every night.
“, but if she doesn’t like it, why do it?….I know you are better than that. I hope at least ”
luis-
no i’m not
you are a great new addition to the blog, but the blog has been going on for over five years.
i’ll just leave it at that.
enjoy the game.
What the hell does Nick Johnson think he’s doing out there, pretending to be healthy?
Then hate their leader. They seem like a pretty nice bunch of kids to me
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But the kids are the ones who ran over Cervelli… which was endorsed as ‘playing hard’ by their manager… so it seems like you should root for more likeable underdogs
Randy’s not better than anyone…..except for about 6 people on here.
Gary Sanchez’s plus bat and ability to play defense at catcher over Montero’s limited ability to DH. . . . anytime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TymMOasiO4
Why make fun of people that think Logan is a fungible asset? He simply isn’t good enough to warrant untouchable status.
Worse than league average against lefties last year.
Randy,
Thank you!…Enjoy the game too. Take care
@JonHeymanCBS
#LAAngels trying to find trade for abreu. Would have to pay vast, vast majority of $9M deal if find taker.
luis – randy could never stand that I liked Cervelli as a catcher and wanted him to have playing time over Posada, whose catching days should have been over, and so he started an unending and oppressive “debate”, riding me every chance he got. He went on endlessly challenging everything I posted. It got so bad that posters here had to tell him to back off. Whenever I would come on to post, he’d find a way to take a shot.
Because I wouldn’t back down on promoting Cervelli, he then decided to make it personal and started to call me “lucy”. He couldn’t do enough to discredit me any chance he got.
There’s your forum history.
Forget Abreu. Angels want the team to take on most of his salary.
” did you ever eat at Manuel’s in Aptos while you were there? ”
mg-
i don’t remember, but i was up at the university in summer school at the time that photo was taken. we were really broke in those days so hardly ever ate out. had lots of falafel parties on the roof of the student housing though
i loved that area. university of cal at santa cruz was like a resort then. redwood forests out back . ocean views out front.
Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Why make fun of people that think Logan is a fungible asset? He simply isn’t good enough to warrant untouchable status.
Worse than league average against lefties last year.
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Name a better one over the last 2 years that’s on the market
“so it seems like you should root for more likeable underdogs
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The difficulty is that I had been rooting for them for many years before that because it broke my heart to hear people calling them the scourge of the league and saying they should be contracted out of the game. This is when we posted on the Times forum. The hell of it is that they had some very good players but bottom-line types of course never took the time to bother knowing that. It was enough for them that the W-L record is what it was.
“Randy’s not better than anyone….”
gb7-
thanks, i always knew you’d have my back
Nunez is fast becoming one of the best base runners on the team
Trish,
I got it now. I shouldn’t have asked. My apologies for messing in something i shouldn’t have put nose in.
Mitchell has looked very well too.
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Agreed on Mitchell. But he looks like he might get a chance in long relief with the Yankees. The other two are blocked and at an age when they should be getting a chance.
Hughes with a lesser array is the golden boy.
GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Nunez is fast becoming one of the best base runners on the team
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Yet, some people want to trade him. I think he is more important to this team than people realize.
Name a better one over the last 2 years that’s on the market
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What does it matter about the availability of players the last 2 years? We have 2 players in camp right now that could be better than Logan at his job. If they could get something useful for Logan, why not? Rapada is vastly superior as a LOOGY and Cabral has the stuff to play as a 6th/7th inning guy that Logan fills when he isn’t getting LOOGY duty. Logan himself wasn’t so much ‘on the market’ as he was a pretty poor reliever that the Yankees snagged in a trade. And of course they traded Phil Coke & Michael Dunn, both lefty reliever types in the same year they acquired Boone himself. Both have been been better against lefties than Boone the last 2 seasons.
He has done a serviceable job, not the job of an untouchable. I don’t see why the Yankees couldn’t acquire or simply use one of the 2 they have already acquired and not skip a beat.
luis – I appreciate that you did.
Bo, I’ve been saying that for almost two years that NYYs will eventually see DJ Mitchell as a Mendoza type long reliever/spot starter.
randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
” did you ever eat at Manuel’s in Aptos while you were there? ”
mg-
i don’t remember, but i was up at the university in summer school at the time that photo was taken. we were really broke in those days so hardly ever ate out. had lots of falafel parties on the roof of the student housing though
i loved that area. university of cal at santa cruz was like a resort then. redwood forests out back . ocean views out front.
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you must have had a lot of fun back then, it was a wild time in NorCal…
If they aren’t available, why act as if they are? whether Coke, Dunn, Rapada and Cabral MIGHT be better doesn’t mean they are.
Yet, some people want to trade him.
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who wants to trade nuney?
Sean Marshall was of course traded this offseason.
This is Mitchell’s biggest issue. sometimes loses the plate.
where is michael kay for these ST games?
mick March 29th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Yet, some people want to trade him.
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who wants to trade nuney?
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In a potential trade with Philly, if i am not mistaken. It was theoretical but it was suggested. I and thought that he shouldn’t be traded.
depends what you are getting
Bo, I’ve been saying that for almost two years that NYYs will eventually see DJ Mitchell as a Mendoza type long reliever/spot starter.
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I know you have. You’re just a font of knowledge on the kids, which is why you never get any grief from me. Even the bad spelling, and all the other dystangibles.
Mind you the “Clean the house after the clock” was totally out of here. Woah.
Earned yourself a lot of slack from me with that one.
If they aren’t available, why act as if they are? whether Coke, Dunn, Rapada and Cabral MIGHT be better doesn’t mean they are.
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Huh? What does the availability of LOOGYs the past 2 years have to do with trading Boone Logan this year? This is where you’re losing the point. They had 2 pretty decent LOOGY candidates at the time of acquiring Logan. They have 2 pretty decent LOOGY candidates in camp right now apart from Logan (Rapada is undoubtedly superior vs LHB as a LOOGY, he simply demolishes them).
There have been no shortage of LOOGYs floating around the Yankees, what makes Boone Logan so special that he is untouchable? He simply doesn’t warrant that kind of consideration.
He doesn’t deserve to be spit upon like some may do, but why the full 180 to scoffing at the idea of trading him? You would not trade Boone Logan?
Why does his possible replacement possibly being better than Boone Logan shut down the idea of trading him? He wasn’t very good vs lefties himself and he was similarly unproven when they acquired him to be the LOOGY in the 2010… They took a chance then on a MIGHT.
DJ – Nasty!
Nasty CB and better CU from Mitchell
Marshall of course wasn’t traded to NY. how do you know NY didn’t ask and the cosr wasn’t betances and more. They got a 2nd round pitcher and more. Fairly steep for a set-up guy.
“you must have had a lot of fun back then, it was a wild time in NorCal…”
mg-
that area may be one of the most beautiful areas on earth. it was an interesting time. i was quite relaxed at the time as you can tell in the photo. life was good. good memories. i’m still close friends with the guy in the photo..
my only experience with baseball during that “counterculture” period was when was i saw some other students hitting on a university athletic field and i asked if i could take a few swings.
they said sure and i broke their bat in half with my first swing.
then they were all pissed off because i didn’t have five bucks on me.
strange the things you remember.
Impressive
Mitchell looks good! Is he supposed to be the better three younger pitchers not names Banuelos or Betances? His stuff is nasty.
“I’ll worry about who goes, who stays and who come in after the season. Why get upset or complain about November and December in March. I’m not going out and buying a snow blower in March becausr it might snow in September, or a rake in December to worry about leaves in October.”
Just read this. Great analogies GB. Agree 100%.
@JonHeymanCBS
#indians, #angels on verge of abreu trade
If the Angels eat most of the contract is this a missed opportunity for the Yankees?
Bo,
i think the book hasn’t been written yet. I think Hughes has to perform this year. If he doesn’t one of those kids may have a chance.
Huh? That’s about the most intelligent remark you can make?
Have either dunn or Coke matched Logan’s last two seasons? No. Nobody said Logan was untouchable. He’s just better than anyone else that’s available.
Now, as long as you want to just talk in circles and argue, forget it. Not interested.
Caleb Joseph, brother of Trenton Thunder 2nd baseman Corban Joseph.
You’re not even debating the points presented. First of all, Dunn has pitched 82 innings of 3 ERA ball the past 2 years while killing lefties. So yea he has matched Logan, but DUNN OR COKE ARE NOT THE POINT.
We have Cabral & Rapada now, we don’t need them. Why is Logan untouchable? You yourself are implying it by making snide comments about anyone wanting to trade him. Would you trade Logan? For what?
Jerkface March 29th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@JonHeymanCBS
#indians, #angels on verge of abreu trade
If the Angels eat most of the contract is this a missed opportunity for the Yankees?
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Absolutely yes. But someone posted that the Angels want the trading team to take most of Abreu’s contract. If that’s the case, then is not a lost opportunity. I was worried that if Abreu was disgruntle about his diminished role, he might have been trouble here because of the same reasons
Looks like abreu to the Indians might be the trade.
” I’m not going out and buying a snow blower in March becausr it might snow in September, or a rake in December to worry about leaves in October.”
…but you also don’t want to be buying an air conditioner on the hottest day of the year either.
plus if you buy a snow blower down there in grits land at any time it’s time to start worrying about you .
I’m not dissing Hughes. I still feel he was rushed that year when he started in Texas. The Yankees could have waited another couple of months before bringing him up. He hasn’t been the same since, to my mind, doesn’t have the leg drive he used to.
I’m just saying that the kids are looking very good with better arsenals than Hughes and can bring it into the mid nineties. Yet are still blocked. I had the same convo about Nova vs Hughes a couple of years ago. That was a long winded brouhaha.
K!
Atta boy.
randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
” I’m not going out and buying a snow blower in March becausr it might snow in September, or a rake in December to worry about leaves in October.”
…but you also don’t want to be buying an air conditioner on the hottest day of the year either.
plus if you buy a snow blower down there in grits land at any time it’s time to start worrying about you .
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No, I wouldn’t wait to buy a new A/C in July, I would have planned on that in the Jan-Apr time frame. It has been known to get snow, ice and blizzards down here. That would be one of those things left open on the calander for an unforseen thing to do, though, I’d probably just buy a shovel. My shovel would be used for something different than what you are used to shoveling.
yankeefem – your boy is lookin’ nasty good!
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That infield must be hard as a rock. Everything has a little extra hop in it.
Maxwell has really cut down on his swing since last year. That time, he cut down just a little too much on the swing.
” My shovel would be used for something different than what you are used to shoveling.”
pizza shovel?
good thinking.
Bo knows March 29th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I’m not dissing Hughes. I still feel he was rushed that year when he started in Texas. The Yankees could have waited another couple of months before bringing him up. He hasn’t been the same since, to my mind, doesn’t have the leg drive he used to.
I’m just saying that the kids are looking very good with better arsenals than Hughes and can bring it into the mid nineties. Yet are still blocked. I had the same convo about Nova vs Hughes a couple of years ago. That was a long winded brouhaha.
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I know you are not. And you make a valid point.
Maxwell and Mesa have never seen a delivery like this.
Some things never change
randy l. March 29th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
” My shovel would be used for something different than what you are used to shoveling.”
pizza shovel?
good thinking.
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Is that what they call it up in NE?
Bo Knows…..What’s happening my man ??? Nova struggled in 2010 when he was called up, but he pitched well for 5 innings or so…..But he didn’t get much love from the Lohuder’s though…..I think part of that had to do in how he arrived to The Yanks……I do think The Yanks need to take their time with him once they leave the heat of Florida……This place moves up a few clicks when you’re here, then again it’s just my opinion which of course is always in question…..
doesn’t have the leg drive he used to.
I think this is the key, because without it the pitches lack bite. He has looked much better this spring. But Phelps, Warren and Mitchell have looked really good as well.
it’s just my opinion which of course is always in question
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Only in your betting decisions
luis,
I thought Hughes was back to driving to the plate. That’s the big difference, and it’s no coincidence he’s keeping the ball down nicely.
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Some things never change
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Hi JAP!
I am at a lost here. Could you elaborate please.
luis,
It is just my sadness at Melky Mesa.
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
luis,
I thought Hughes was back to driving to the plate. That’s the big difference, and it’s no coincidence he’s keeping the ball down nicely.
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Yes he is. But Bo makes a good point about the other kids, they have been impressive in their own right, and if you ask me, Phelps and Mitchell have better off speed offerings than Hughes right now.
Two outfielder that have been released are Jason Michaels and Aaron Rowand. Michaels might not be a bad look at. Rowand, a real pirt that he left most of his game on the outfield walls,
***a real pity***
Evening.
It’s hard to believe guys like Phelps and Mitchell are the 2nd tier of Yankee prospects.
They are both awfully good.
Oh! i forgot…Warren basically baffled the entire Sux line up as well.
luis,
Hughes though has that terrific fastball, and his secondary offerings seem to be coming around nicely.
I really like Mitchell better than Phelps, although both have really stood out.
Yankeefem has been a huge Mitchell advocate for awhile now. Warren is good but needs to keep tweaking that slider he’s throwing. All three guys could get outs right now, no doubt about it.
We have so much pitching, the Montero trade borders on the ridiculous.
We have so much pitching, the Montero trade borders on the ridiculous.
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No…..It was ridiculous! Now we can go with a 9 men rotation and still have some arms in reserve.
Looks like Trevor Crowe is part of the Abreu trade. Cleveland pulled him out of the game in the middle of the inning.
It’s no surprise that we are stacked in pitching. Have to wonder why it was deemed a weakness. I understand going after the elite power “now” arm as a bridge to the highest upside kids, but if you don’t have the “now” arm now you have to think our second tier of Phelps, Warren, Mitchell would have been a good bridge to the close but not-yet mlb-ready upside pitchers. I wonder if we didn’t underrate this second tier. We have riches with no where to put those riches. How long are we going to keep all these pitchers without making a another move?
luis,
My brother’s busy with a more traditional job and is not into the blog scene. But I’ll copy and paste the email I received from him this morning:
Date: March 29, 2012 3:04:52 PM EDT
So Pineda may or may not be the No. 5 starter. For that we traded Jesus? I did not hear about Jesus doing anything in Japan. Is he out? JC
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
luis,
Hughes though has that terrific fastball, and his secondary offerings seem to be coming around nicely.
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Yes i agree. But it is also unfair to those kids. I get Bo’s point.
Hughes’ presence is unfair to those kids? Or signing Freddy and dealing for additional pitching?
Yes i agree. But it is also unfair to those kids. I get Bo’s point.
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Sorry, I missed Bo’s post. I’ll have to take a look.
“I wonder if we didn’t underrate this second tier”
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YF,
I have to tell you that this is the first time i get to see this guys. But from what i have seen, yes they have being under appreciated. It’s a pity.
Luis….Stanford won big tonight, now I look forward to The LA LAkers to add to my bottom line, which is rather thin this basketball season
Let’s face it; moves are coming. Yanks have to decide one way or another about all these pitchers. The good news is we have lots of choices. If you want to swap Pineda’s upside and cost for Hughes’, then up Hughes’ value and deal him. But next year you will likely have the Killer B’s pushing the second tier AAA pitchers, so will anyone of them get a genuine shot anyway?
And DePaula is likely going to move fast as well. He too might be knocking soon had he not been derailed for so long.
Replay of Japan game on mlbnet, Montero batting.
might *have been knocking
Decisions, decisions.
I just read Bo’s post. I’d say on the strength of Hughes’ ST, he’s a different pitcher this year. He probably had sophomore syndrome – 2010 was his first full season as a starter. And I do think his fastball puts him in a different category (DJ’s sort of a different animal, I think, because he’s a sinkerball guy).
I think they are auditioning Mitchell for the long Man role.
If that’s true it might mean Freddy might be in the Ro with someone sent to AAA.
thought both Mitchell and Phelps did a nice job tonight……Mitchell might steal a spot in that bullpen soon.
yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Hughes’ presence is unfair to those kids? Or signing Freddy and dealing for additional pitching?
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No. The general situation that have left them with little to no chance to crack the rotation. I think Hughes is going to have a career year, and the Yankees have to find out what they have in him going forward, since he has so little time left of control before he hits Free Agency and the time and money invested in him. I think 2008 is still on many people minds of the FO, they are scare to death to put two rookies in the rotation at the same time, hence the crazy rounds of pitching trades and signings.
Blake-
If they decide to put Garcia in the Ro Mitchell is likely to be the long Man/spot starter.
That would also mean someone is going to AAA.
Pat M. March 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Luis….Stanford won big tonight, now I look forward to The LA LAkers to add to my bottom line, which is rather thin this basketball season
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Pat,
I have no idea about betting (only in baseball). My comment was basically a joke since i think you have great baseball knowledge and common sense.
I just have a sneaky feeling Pineda is going to AAA if Freddy as has been rumored is in the rotation because you cannot send Nova there. Cannot.
Luis, Phelps will get spot starts but he and Mitchell have outgrown AAA, and Warren is not far behind. You always need extra pitching; it is a long season, but this much extra???
MTU,
perhaps…..but I don’t think they’ll start Mitchell out in the big leagues….perhaps they are getting him ready in case Wade doesn’t get the job done? I still would put my money on Freddy being in the pen…..but maybe they’ll go bold and send Pineda to AAA and gain the control and allow him to build his arm strength.
I wish they would just announce what they are doing already. There is no way they still don’t know.
yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Let’s face it; moves are coming. Yanks have to decide one way or another about all these pitchers. The good news is we have lots of choices. If you want to swap Pineda’s upside and cost for Hughes’, then up Hughes’ value and deal him. But next year you will likely have the Killer B’s pushing the second tier AAA pitchers, so will anyone of them get a genuine shot anyway?
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Probably not. But i have to say i would have loved to see the kids play with ML club. I never expected this kids to be so good.
YF-
Do the Yankees have the cajones to send Pineda to AAA ?
Except why is the Post saying Freddy is in the rotation?
MTU, that is the million dollar question.
Rosy, when is Seattle’s next game?
I think 2008 is still on many people minds of the FO, they are scare to death to put two rookies in the rotation at the same time, hence the crazy rounds of pitching trades and signings.
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They throw a mistake at a past mistake…..hopefully, the sheer depth of these competent to high-end arms, and some swift progress of multiple good young bats in a couple-three years, compensate for a seeming woeful lack of self-knowledge.
Blake-
It would be Mitchell in addition to Wade.
They are not gonna carry 3 lefties. One of Cabral or Rapada is not gonna make it IMO.
Mitchell gets Freddy’s spot in the pen.
This Mariners/A’s series in Tokyo really make me want to visit.
Just imagine if they hadn’t kept these games such a huge secret.
“Do the Yankees have the cajones to send Pineda to AAA ?”
I don’t know….but it might make the most sense to be honest….Freddy can hopefully build trade value in the rotation, Pineda can refine his CU and build his arm….the Yankees gain an extra year of control on him……I still doubt they do that.
YF-
I do not want Ivan sent down. Period.
To me that would be a travesty.
Either Freddy to the pen, or Pineda to AAA.
MTU,
yea if Freddy is in the rotation that could be….but I’m still not sure that’s going to happen….and if Freddy is in the bullpen then Wade would be the most likely guy Mitchell can knock out I would think….if they send Pineda down then yea….Mitchell might make the club.
Probably not. But i have to say i would have loved to see the kids play with ML club. I never expected this kids to be so good.
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luis, I got ridiculed as a “prospect hugger” in here last season for saying Warren would make the Red Sox rotation, and be considered a “stud” and the best pitcher in the upper levels of their system, were he Boston property.
What’s scary to me is Cashman seems to share the lowest common denominator fan logic: the wannabe who thinks everyone else’s players are better. This whole embarrassing “dream” thing he said about Pineda underscores that.
Luis, it would have been nice, but too much risk in the Yankees’ estimate:not enough upside/swing and miss vs. the elite power arms.
I can’t see Nova being sent down. How could anyone respect them after that?
“Either Freddy to the pen, or Pineda to AAA.”
I’m fine with either of these options and as Ive said….these should be the only 2.
“Do the Yankees have the cajones to send Pineda to AAA ?”
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MTU,
Only if he is hurt. I don’t see them voluntarily taking the heat they would take for that move. Could you imagine the media reaction to that scenario?…Read JAP’s brother e-mail that he posted earlier….That might give you a taste of what would be coming.
MTU March 29th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
YF-
I do not want Ivan sent down. Period.
To me that would be a travesty.
Either Freddy to the pen, or Pineda to AAA.
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100% agree.
Although can’t see Freddy remaining in the pen for long. And he is notoriously slow at warming up.
Love to be a fly on the wall while Yanks are having these discussions.
I think Warren, Phelps, or Mitchell would probably make the Red Sox rotation this year.
Blake-
I think they auditioned DJ as a long man tonight.
He passed the test IMO.
I think his stuff plays well out of the pen. Nasty sinker. Tons of GB’s.
They like that at NYS.
That might just be a clue as to where they are headed.
“I can’t see Nova being sent down. How could anyone respect them after that?”
Maybe if they win a lot of games?
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I can’t see Nova being sent down. How could anyone respect them after that?
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I would definitely not respect that decision, but I can’t see them making it. I would almost bet my life on their not making it. It would send the wrong kind of message and would totally disregard Nova’s 2011. Not happening.
There would be no good reason to send Nova down unless he is hurt.
Maybe they are gonna trade Freddy ?
Something in the works ?
“Maybe they are gonna trade Freddy ?”
maybe….who knows
MTU, could be. Maybe that is the delay in announcing the rotation. A lot depends on their evaluation of Pineda thus far though.
blake….Good point about The BoSox pitching woes….At this point Louie Tiant could make their staff
Nick in SF March 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
“I can’t see Nova being sent down. How could anyone respect them after that?”
Maybe if they win a lot of games?
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Winning games is great, it’s the object, obviously. How would the players view Nova being sent down? That’s what I’m talking about.
So we traded the best young hitter in baseball, a guy with 80 power and elite bat speed, for a pitcher who couldn’t even beat out Freddy Garcia, Phil Hughes, and Ivan Nova in the rotation?
Ugh.
He’s not going to magically find his velocity pitching against the Syracuse Chiefs.
One way or another, it seems like Freddy’s days in pinstripes are numbered, but then do they really want to trade him if he’s pitching really well?
As Andy looms…
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
I hope so….
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
I wrote a post not too long ago about the Yankees FO having an Oscar Wilde complex…He said that men lived in between to great tragedies: Not having what you want and having it. He meant that men don’t appreciate what they have and are always wishing somebody else’s things, and when they get them they realize that they didn’t need it after all…
YF-
Pineda has another start.
Even with reduced velo he has enough to get guys out.
It’s gonna come back after a while.
Maybe they are waiting till the last possible minute before they pull the trigger on something ?
yankeefeminista March 29th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I can’t see Nova being sent down. How could anyone respect them after that?
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I would definitely not respect that decision, but I can’t see them making it. I would almost bet my life on their not making it. It would send the wrong kind of message and would totally disregard Nova’s 2011. Not happening.
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They’re likely going to move some of the excess in a deal. Hopefully, for a position player who is young and can hit.
“How would the players view Nova being sent down?”
How would the players view Freddy being shunted off to the bullpen? How would they view Hughes being sent down? How would they view All-Star Pineda, the guy the whole team was so jazzed about getting, being sent down?
It’s going to be tough on the odd man out; they can all stake a fair claim to a rotation spot.
Did I miss something this spring training where Michael Pineda had a bad camp ????
What’s scary to me is Cashman seems to share the lowest common denominator fan logic: the wannabe who thinks everyone else’s players are better. This whole embarrassing “dream” thing he said about Pineda underscores that.
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Traded for Swisher.
Traded for Granderson.
Didn’t make a trade or sign a LF when most Yankee fans didn’t think Gardner was an everyday player.
But yeah, let’s not let Cashman’s record factor into it. Let’s make up stuff instead.
luis March 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
I hope so….
J. Alfred Prufrock March 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
I wrote a post not too long ago about the Yankees FO having an Oscar Wilde complex…He said that men lived in between to great tragedies: Not having what you want and having it. He meant that men don’t appreciate what they have and are always wishing somebody else’s things, and when they get them they realize that they didn’t need it after all…
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The Big “O” has a point.
Oscar Wilde, I can tell you, would never have traded Montero. It’s the case of genius recognizing genius
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At this point Louie Tiant could make their staff
Phrase of the night
Joe Girardi:
“Someone is gonna be disappointed.”
Yeah Joe but who ?
“Did I miss something this spring training where Michael Pineda had a bad camp ????”
he didn’t throw fast enough….fail. He’s pitched well really….if they send him down I think it’ll be for several reasons….and one of them won’t be that he’s not one of the 5 best pitchers….because he is.
Wonder if Freddy Garcia would like pitching for Magic Johnson
He meant that men don’t appreciate what they have and are always wishing somebody else’s things, and when they get them they realize that they didn’t need it after all…
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Okay.
Can this be applied to Brian Cashman in any way other than one trade you do not like?
I see it differently. There could be a trade for Freddy in the works, and Mitchell becomes the long man as a result. Perhaps Cory Wade is farmed or moved. Pineda is in the rotation unless hurt. The Yankees must discard extra pieces to get to 25 players. Enough pieces could bring one good piece in return.
Nick,
Nova won 16 games for them last season. He probably has a little bit of credibility in the clubhouse.
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I think they’re making a deal. Without doing so, anyway they turn may be the wrong way. Besides, they have an embarrassment of pitching riches: get something for it and clarify your rotation.
“Wonder if Freddy Garcia would like pitching for Magic Johnson”
Freddy for Ethier!
Can this be applied to Brian Cashman in any way other than one trade you do not like?
Actually yes….Garcia’s signing, Kuroda’s signing, Andy’s signing and Pineda’s trade. They don’t trust their kids. They are not willing to go to war with what they had.
For the record: I agreed with Kuroda’s signing and i like to have Andy back in the fold….But this shows a clear trend.
So they players would be more respectful if Phil Hughes was the odd man out?
Not too much credibility based on last season.
So does Ibanez have trade value now?
MTU, Pineda had pitched well but depends on how they evaluate him and what they feel is best for him. If it is a matter of strengthening the arm, might they not want to do it in AAA?
Wade still has an option left if they want him to go down and get himself straightened out.
IMO Pineda goes north with the club. He has pitched very well. Garcia is either traded or he is the long man.
*has pitched
There is also the extra year of control factor. Interesting to see how that will affect Yankee decisions. But I agree that if they feel Pineda is progressing and they are not concerned about the arm/velo, he will stay up with the big club and he should.
Pineda’s results have been good, not great, but with a very young pitchers, it’s about how he is getting those results. And unless, as I said earlier, he has a velo on/off switch, there has to be some level of concern.
Dulce Suenos Amigos.
Hasta Manana.
Tank March 29th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
So we traded the best young hitter in baseball, a guy with 80 power and elite bat speed, for a pitcher who couldn’t even beat out Freddy Garcia, Phil Hughes, and Ivan Nova in the rotation?
Ugh.
He’s not going to magically find his velocity pitching against the Syracuse Chiefs.
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Pineda’s arm is for real. The problem is that they didn’t need Pineda. They could have shored up the rotation, if they felt insecure with what they had, by simply adding Kuroda, and Pettitte, if they so desired. They also had DJ/Phelps/Warren to tap on the shoulder, if need be.
They were in premature “e” mode, and wanted the big, sexy arm. Now, they’re into big arms. They like strikeouts. Maybe they’re concerned about the right side of the infield, but don’t mind flyball guys because they’re more sure of their OF defenders. Fine. But for Montero??
Some bozos in here keep trying to make it about not recognizing that Pineda’s got a live arm. That’s NOT the issue – it’s not the issue for me, any way. It’s the idiocy of giving up Montero for a pitcher, live arm or not.
sorry, *left side of the infield, obviously.
New thread —->
YF-
Honestly, I have no frickin’ idea what they are gonna do.
Have a good night.
Y tu, MTU. Hasta luego.
GN MTU
luis March 29th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Can this be applied to Brian Cashman in any way other than one trade you do not like?
Actually yes….Garcia’s signing, Kuroda’s signing, Andy’s signing and Pineda’s trade. They don’t trust their kids. They are not willing to go to war with what they had.
For the record: I agreed with Kuroda’s signing and i like to have Andy back in the fold….But this shows a clear trend.
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This tells me only one thing. At the time they made that trade, only Garcia was signed. Warren and Phelps were both hurt last year and missed time so they lost innings. Only Mitchell stayed healthy. Hughes was coming off of a 4 month injury and nobody was sure how he was going to do. Pettitte wasn’t even close to being signed. He was barely a hope. Remember last winter when most hopes were pinned on Lee after Pettitte retired? They got pretty lucky with Colon and Garcia. I wouldn’t pin a season on that 2 years in a row. This “embarrassment of pitching riches” came together in ST.