Maxwell gets another start in RF
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 30, 2012 
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Nick Swisher played five innings in the outfield at the minor league complex today. He said he no longer feels any soreness in his groin. Todays big league lineup:
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Eric Chavez 1B
Russell Martin C
Andruw Jones DH
Justin Maxwell RF
Brett Gardner LF
RHP Michael Pineda
luis March 30th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
1 and 3 are conflicting statements. The guys in the minors are not sure things. They are not even Pineda, who has had a full overall successful major league season with a very good walk rate, something that is troubling their two highest pitching prospects at this time. Relying on the minor leaguers to become big leaguers is relying quite a bit on chance as you say in 3.
And conversely it is not relying on luck to count on future hall of famers or close to it guys like Arod, Tex, Cano etc. to be reasonably productive without huge declines.
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Fair enough. But some of them are fairly close and you have the trio of Warren, Phelps and Mitchell that can perform right now. And as you say, Pineda is not even a sure thing.
In regard to the offense, Age is not on the side of many of them and we don´t have one single bat to replace them in case they actually act their age. This gets better, he got so many pitchers, that those prospects that could bring a bat are blocked, so they can´t play with the big club and raise their trade value….All we are going to have is unproven prospects, not prospect that can actually play in the bigs, so their price is a lot higher.
I would love to see Tim Norton get healthy and see what he does over a good stretch of time.
The sux, like Yanks, won’t stand pat if they falter, and will be there at the end. As much as I dislike them, they’re still damn good. They seem to be able to “steal” players from others.
Glad Swisher’s feeling better.
JackCurryYES Naturally, Nova expects to be in the rotation. “If I’m not, of course I would be surprised,” he said.
Also, the Yankees have outrightrd Craig Tatum to Triple-A, meaning their new catcher has cleared waivers.
Russell Branyon has also been released from his original minor league contract and signed to a new one. That must have been done for financial reasons.
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Gotta say – Cust and Branyon taking BP might be worth the price of admission to a Scranton game.
“I said that the trade was a failure regardless of results for the reasons you all very well explained:
“The only way this trade is a victory for management is that all the following conditions are met, IMO:”
Which is it, Luis? A “failure regardless” or a “victory if”?
Can’t be both.
“1)Both B´s, Marshall, Noesi and DePaula are a bust, because then the FO could argue that you needed Pineda, if one or two of those prospects fullfills his potential, Pineda was redundant. Even if he becomes the ace. His impact won´t be as important if you have many very good pitchers.”
Logic flaw.
If the B’s, Marshall, DePaula, Campos, whomever reach their potential, the Yankees will be well positioned to be a dominant team for the foreseeable future AND have assets to spin off in other areas.
Great pitching will be ML assets in some fashion or another. Its not just going to be forever wasted in AAA.
You logic is based on the unsaid premise that no team will ever consider trading a high-end bat for high-end pitching to the Yankees ever. And that is pure speculation.
“3) The offense manages to stay productive for the next three years without any noticeable declines. And even then, you could argue that he relied on “luck” rather than a good move.
Risk Management 101: You leave as little as you can to chance. I rather have a Management that´s good rather than lucky.”
Debate fail. This comes from the Randy school of I’m not wrong even if I’m wrong, which is intellectually dishonest and a dead end.
AGAIN, the underlying premise of this track of thinking is offense cannot be obtained by any means.
Any held convictions that you can reasonably predict the 2014 landscape in ML baseball is based on fallacy.
Your argument, Luis, is if the Yankees happen to win the WS in 2014 with Pineda playing a key roll and in 2015 Gary Sanchez breaks out that the trade was still a “failure”.
You’ve left yourself in the corner of having to predict with 100% neither or both of those things CANNOT and WILL NOT happen, or that even if it did, you’d still consider the trade a failure.
Which is it?
With the Abreu deal falling through for the Indians I would absolutely try to engage them over Justin Maxwell.
You probably won’t get back anything more than a Trevor Crowe or Chad Huffman
Remove the Braves from the Garcia hunt. They have Livan l, Randy’s son.
With Mike Fontenot being cut loose, Phillie will have their middle infielder.
stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Could you leave me alone Please?…I don´t exist. ok?
If Hughes pitches Saturday, he would not pitch another spring game and his first possible start in the rotation would be Sunday April 8th, a full 8 days between starts.
If Nova is #3, then it would be the 9th or even 10th.
Maybe they’re going to give him the time off in ST, pitch him Tuesday or Wednesday against the Mets as his final game tune-up and make his regular season debut the 9th or 10th on regular rest?
Just a guess.
Luis,
I’m going to read and respond to what I’m inclined to respond to.
You have every right to do the same.
The Phillies could be falling a LONG ways. I like Pence and Mayberry, and maybe Thome on his rare start at 1b every week. The rest of the offense issa disaster. Victorino is decent, but over-rated.
Keep Maxwell.
Keep Maxwell.
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And release Ibanez
And now the fan boys change their tune again – it is not about Montero himself – but what it means to the team three – five – ten years down the road – which totally ignores the fact that the fan boys specifically mentioned – what bugs them about this trade is that they will not be able to see a generational player – in their egotistic and less than humble opinion – in Montero for the next 10 to 15 years. Now changing the topic to it will impact the team is just a thinly veiled same position as they are made as hell and not going to take it anymore that Montero was traded. That the Yankees offense will suffer and decline to such a degree b/c of the Montero is just as much speculation at this point that the Yankees will be able to continue to maintain their offensive production and acquire sufficient talent to keep the machine going or speculation that Montero will be generational. Remember – this all started because it was guaranteed that Montero will be generational and the certainty that the trade will not be a success – instead of waiting and seeing and taking a more reasonable and patient approach before overreacting and crying about it.
There always has to be so damned much intrigue surrounding everything the Yankees end up doing. Hughes not making his scheduled start, rotation questions right to the zero hour. Girardi making the statement that there’s no guarantee the sixth starter goes to the bullpen.
This is when I’d like to slap them. Just announce it, dammit, and get it over with. You know the decisions are already made.
so they can´t play with the big club and raise their trade value
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Can still make the deal w/ prospects in the minors – plus some teams would prefer that b/c the arb clock has not started yet – this is not an absolute argument. . . .
“Cashman has said he reads blogs at times to see what fans think”
“And now the fan boys change their tune again”
Hmmm Maybe we pissed Cash off so bad he morphed into Stoneburner. Pete use to post under different aliases all the time.
I’m on to you StoneCashburner!!!
Fanboys are people that blithely swallow whatever their team’s management are selling, not those that, rightly or wrongy, criticize them. To pretend otherwise is kind of comical.
“The sux, like Yanks, won’t stand pat if they falter, and will be there at the end. As much as I dislike them, they’re still damn good. They seem to be able to “steal” players from others.”
Seriously? They faltered last season and exactly what did they do this season that is noteworthy? Sorry, but that ship sailed with Theo on it. Between the three stooges that own the club, newby Cherrington, and Bobby V., there isn’t a full operating brain.
It’s over for them before it even started. Schilling had it right. No higher than fourth place.
I don’t even know if they have a full rotation at this point!
Tar March 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“Cashman has said he reads blogs at times to see what fans think”
“And now the fan boys change their tune again”
Hmmm Maybe we pissed Cash off so bad he morphed into Stoneburner. Pete use to post under different aliases all the time.
I’m on to you StoneCashburner!!!
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LOL – I wish with his salary. I do not always agree with what Cashman does – but also want to wait and see how this trade plays out before lashing out, etc.
“Pete use to post under different aliases all the time.”
There was once a great thread on Primer that skewered him on that.
Rich in NJ March 30th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Fanboys are people that blithely swallow whatever their team’s management are selling, not those that, rightly or wrongy, criticize them. To pretend otherwise is kind of comical.
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Fan boys of the Monteros and the amateur scouting blindly believe in their opinions and spute their opinions as guarantees and fact – that is what is comical.
And read my above post – I do not always agree with the company line – but I try to take a more wait and see approach – a more reasonable – a more adult approach to evaluating something. . . .instead of lashing out – waxing poetics about stuff that is comical. . . .
According to the stat heads, the Yankee attendance, souvenir sales, radio revenues, TV revenues, etc, indicates Everybody is Hunk Dory with ALL that is going on in the Yankee Universe. Hmmm.
I’ve been the one saying that Nova is the number 3 based on the schedule (and he’s clearly in the rotation) but Phil not starting tomorrow (or pitching a sim game) does thicken the plot. Possible now that Nova is given an extra day of rest before he pitches as the number 4 in the regular season with Phil as the 3. Or Phil could land at 4.
Phil’s “great” spring isn’t based on many innings against major leaguers. Thirteen total and four of those were in a “piggyback” outing where he pitched to mostly scrubs. He was given a minor league start one turn earlier than Nova and now misses another. Barring some new info, it looks as though Nova will pitch upwards of 25 innings against major league opposition this spring, twice as many as Phil.
Man, I won’t be happy if Hughes is the odd man out. No way Garcia should get a spot in the rotation over any of the kids. That said, I’m not jumping to conclusions. We’ll see what Girardi has to say.
I agree with not just throwing in with a Scout’s appraisal of a Kid. Hell, they can’t even pick out a decent hat to wear in public.
The agents for both Cain and Hamels are working on extensions.
Rich in NJ March 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Keep Maxwell.
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I don’t disagree – just can’t see it happening.
JackCurryYES Freddy Garcia: “This spring, I pitched good enough” to win a rotation spot. He will start again on Wed vs Mets.
“but also want to wait and see how this trade plays out before lashing out, etc.”
But your not. You are totally lashing out. I’m not sure if you care, but the perception is that you’re kind of nutty about this whole thing, and not in a good way.
Everybody has made their point. Just revisit it after the year is over and spare us all the continuing drama.
Or not and we will make fun of you
DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
According to the stat heads, the Yankee attendance, souvenir sales, radio revenues, TV revenues, etc, indicates Everybody is Hunk Dory with ALL that is going on in the Yankee Universe. Hmmm.
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You are one sad old man, and you have my pitty
According to the stat heads, the Yankee attendance, souvenir sales, radio revenues, TV revenues, etc, indicates Everybody is Hunk Dory with ALL that is going on in the Yankee Universe. Hmmm.
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What other specific method would you like to the yankees use utilize Donny?
“Fan boys of the Monteros and the amateur scouting blindly believe in their opinions and spute their opinions as guarantees and fact – that is what is comical.”
They’re prospect huggers, NTTAWWT
And you have no idea what their scouting acumen is, especially since so many paid scouts have awful, poor paying jobs, and get tons of stuff wrong.
Rumor has it the Umps are currently drawing straws to determine which one goes behind the plate for Montero’s 1ST game back there.
CC, pointless to jump to conclusions, you’re right. I really used to be able to figure out the Yankee moves because they were a lot more predictable when the Boss was still around. Now everything is one big swirl to me. I actually liked it a lot more when the Boss was around. Even when he wasn’t any longer on top of his game, the organization knew how he wanted things done.
Now it’s anybody’s guess. Is it Hal, is it Hank, is it Cashman, is it Girardi, is it Randy Levine? Who in hell knows.
I think they were pretty pragmatic in years past. It’s easy to figure out moves based on pragmatism. Now I don’t know if someone’s throwing the I Ching or using a Ouija Board to make the moves, but I don’t count on pragmatics anymore.
The rotation is anyone’s guess at this point. I’ve learned not to get too attached to players. They never took my opinion into consideration, but in the past we were pretty in synch. Now, who knows.
“but also want to wait and see how this trade plays out before lashing out, etc.”
I’d hate to see what it looks like when you start lashing out.
A trade of a 1st year pitcher for a minor leaguer has consumed more bandwidth than spam. Steinburner is less relentless than the opponents of the deal. I have to agree, though. Can we at least give it a couple of months?
Ooh, Tar beat me to it.
Again, I don’t think this is real fair to the pitchers. And though I love Andy being back, that’s certainly messed up the works.
The Yankee way…
Tar March 30th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
“but also want to wait and see how this trade plays out before lashing out, etc.”
But your not. You are totally lashing out. I’m not sure if you care, but the perception is that you’re kind of nutty about this whole thing, and not in a good way.
Everybody has made their point. Just revisit it after the year is over and spare us all the continuing drama.
Or not and we will make fun of you
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To quote John Rambo – other side drew first blood.
“At some point, I’m going to have to disappoint someone,” Girardi said.
I’m a huge Girardi fan, but this last-second BS is for the birds. Yeah, you’re going to disappoint someone. You’re also going to put them in a very last-minute bind, whomever it is you disappoint.
I see this as a joke, and not a funny one.
You’re quoting someone who was a little nuts. That may serve some one well in combat, but I’m not sure it works as well apart from that.
When we gonna get into the “who bats leadoff” bruhaha? My pick is Gardner Full-time for at least a month.
Fanboys are people that blithely swallow whatever their team’s management are selling, not those that, rightly or wrongy, criticize them. To pretend otherwise is kind of comical.
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Sorry Rich, that is your own definition. I’m in no way endorsing what Stoneburner is saying (honestly, I mostly get confused after a few paragraphs), but as someone who deals with “fanboys” daily, they’re commonly referred to as people with an extreme attachment to the object of their fanism, often going back to their youth.
Change is often not received well in fanboy circles. A natural resentment often begins to build between a fanboy and the current custodians of the object of their fanism, because fanboys view them as interlopers, not respecting the low-time fans well enough, and understand the nuances of what makes the object of their fanism appealing.
In short, fanboys regard for the managers of the object of their fanism is almost by rule strained and most often very contiguous.
Rich in NJ March 30th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
“Fan boys of the Monteros and the amateur scouting blindly believe in their opinions and spute their opinions as guarantees and fact – that is what is comical.”
They’re prospect huggers, NTTAWWT
And you have no idea what their scouting acumen is, especially since so many paid scouts have awful, poor paying jobs, and get tons of stuff wrong.
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They are not prospect huggers – prospect huggers want to keep their propsects – this group all bust bashed Austin Romine into oblivion last year when he was called up and started games over Montero.
And as for the scouting acumen – if you have it – you get paid for it. And these scouts you make fun of – they are the very scouts that find the dang prospects the fan boys and the huggers (two separate groups) drool over – so yeah – the scouts win at the end of the day always. . . .
Yea not real sure what to make of Hughes not going tomorrow…..but I still think he’s in the rotation.
blake March 30th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Yea not real sure what to make of Hughes not going tomorrow…..but I still think he’s in the rotation.
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who do they play tomorrow?
I loved “First Blood”. I do feel Richard Crenna was mis-cast in that role. He really ham-boned it up.
It’s ok nick keep it coming. You were my ace in the hole.
I think this whole messy good vs evil —-SuperCash vs Fan Boy— needs some humor injected into it anyway.
“They are not prospect huggers – prospect huggers want to keep their propsects – this group all bust bashed Austin Romine into oblivion last year when he was called up and started games over Montero.”
Wait a minute. You really can’t see that maybe people think highly of one prospect than not another?
“And as for the scouting acumen – if you have it – you get paid for it. And these scouts you make fun of – they are the very scouts that find the dang prospects the fan boys and the huggers (two separate groups) drool over – so yeah – the scouts win at the end of the day always. . . .”
You keeping lumping everything together to the point that it makes rational discussion difficult.
From my own experience, I have seen lawyers who get paid a decent amount of money, who basically suck. It’s probably no different in any profession.
DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I loved “First Blood”. I do feel Richard Crenna was mis-cast in that role. He really ham-boned it up.
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It is hard for me to see anyone but Trautman – but yeah I can see your point.
DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I loved “First Blood”. I do feel Richard Crenna was mis-cast in that role. He really ham-boned it up.
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Outside of NYPD Blue it was probably David Caruso’s best work.
It’s almost like they do this stuff on purpose, to throw you off the track or something. How about a statement about why he’s not going tomorrow, Yankees? Maybe we’ll get it later today.
You know blake, I am a real patient person and also pretty understanding, but this whole mess is really irritating me. I don’t believe they had to wait ’til zero hour to let the world (pitchers included) know the fate of these 6 guys. It’s ludicrous.
tomingeorgia March 30th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
A trade of a 1st year pitcher for a minor leaguer has consumed more bandwidth than spam. Steinburner is less relentless than the opponents of the deal. I have to agree, though. Can we at least give it a couple of months?
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tom, you’re too good with language to get away with that.
A “minor leaguer” is Colin Curtis.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
“The sux, like Yanks, won’t stand pat if they falter, and will be there at the end. As much as I dislike them, they’re still damn good. They seem to be able to “steal” players from others.”
Seriously? They faltered last season and exactly what did they do this season that is noteworthy? Sorry, but that ship sailed with Theo on it. Between the three stooges that own the club, newby Cherrington, and Bobby V., there isn’t a full operating brain.
It’s over for them before it even started. Schilling had it right. No higher than fourth place.
I don’t even know if they have a full rotation at this point!
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They may very well outhit us. ( again ) Pitching COULD be another story, but they won’t stand pat. Bard will be back in the pen before long. Aceves, Beckett, Lester, & Buchholz aren’t a bad top 4. They’ll come up with a 5th. You’re right about the 3 stooges. Valentine could be a downfall by himself. Never rely on Curt’s lips.
trisha,
maybe the pitchers already know the plan? It’s possible.
Stoneburner March 30th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I loved “First Blood”. I do feel Richard Crenna was mis-cast in that role. He really ham-boned it up.
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It is hard for me to see anyone but Trautman – but yeah I can see your point.
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I guess they could have gone with George Peppard and I would have been alright with that – what with the whole Hannibal Smith thing.
“You know blake, I am a real patient person and also pretty understanding, but this whole mess is really irritating me”
to be honest….they probably knew last week pretty much what they were going to do…..they do this every year.
J Al – I’d certainly feel better about things if I thought they did.
• stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
YF, I acknowledged he had a bad (albeit not as bad at tex Arod and Jeter) offensive PS. I offer no argument.
But I’m also aware a perception has grown that he came up in big situations often in that 5 game series.
He did not.
He came up and failed in a big spot once.
That’s all I’m trying to illuminate.
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Once?
In Game #2 in bottom of the 7th with Swish and Po on, Martin flied out and didn’t advance the runners.
In Game #3 with Po on, top of 2nd, Martin grounded into a DP, in top of the 9th with a runner on, he flied out and didn’t advance the runner.
In Game #3, top of the 2nd with Po on, Martin grounded into a DP. In the top of the 9th with a runner on, Martin flied out and didn’t advance the runner.
In Game 5 bottom 4th, Martin had runners at 1st and 2nd and popped up, advancing no one, in the bottom of the 6th with Po on first, Martin struck out swinging, in the bottom of the 8th, he struck out looking. I watched that AB 10 feet away from him, and it was one of the worst AB’s I have ever seen.
Here’s hoping Martin improves his AB’s this season and in this year’s playoffs. He has worked very hard; may he prosper.
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Yea, “H” even had a decent head of hair back then.
“other side drew first blood.”
In what sense did any of the people you’re currently obsessed with draw first blood? Let’s say they’re overly upset with the trade of Montero; how is that drawing first blood? It seems as if someone posting that he was going to cancel his season tickets is what drove you insane; how was that an offense against you?
Rich in NJ March 30th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
“They are not prospect huggers – prospect huggers want to keep their propsects – this group all bust bashed Austin Romine into oblivion last year when he was called up and started games over Montero.”
Wait a minute. You really can’t see that maybe people think highly of one prospect than not another?
“And as for the scouting acumen – if you have it – you get paid for it. And these scouts you make fun of – they are the very scouts that find the dang prospects the fan boys and the huggers (two separate groups) drool over – so yeah – the scouts win at the end of the day always. . . .”
You keeping lumping everything together to the point that it makes rational discussion difficult.
From my own experience, I have seen lawyers who get paid a decent amount of money, who basically suck. It’s probably no different in any profession.
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I am taking the suckiest pilot over the passenger, the suckiest doctor over the patient or average lay person – b/c there is some level of knowledge that will always be better than the guy who says “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night” aka – the fan boys. . . . .
BloggingBombers
Starters the next five days: Fri: Pineda Sat: Warren Sun: CC Mon: Kuroda Tues: Nova Wed: Garcia …where does that leave Hughes? #Unanswered
I could live with Peppard, or maybe at the time an “aged” Nolte.
“to be honest….they probably knew last week pretty much what they were going to do…..they do this every year.”
I agree on both points. Who knows what motivates their modus operandi with this stuff. I sure don’t.
Blake -
I was thinking that if they were playing an AL team that maybe Girardi just didn’t want to showcase Hughes – but I see they’re playing the Astros – yeah…makes no sense.
Maybe they figure Hughes is stretched out enough and they just want to give him some side work in a later game and want to take a slightly longer look at Warren as a possible long relief guy?
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
J Al – I’d certainly feel better about things if I thought they did.
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If not explicitly, they probably have some clue, I’d imagine.
This time of spring training there are so many games going on at the complex that any pitcher can get in his innings without pitching in a ml game. I expect that is the case here. Pineda (or whomever started today) would need to throw again before their first start. It need’t be on television. Freddy starts next Wed. because he’s being showcased (Last chance to pick up a starter before opening day !!!) Maybe, even an up close and personal for the Mets. Who knows. In any case, outguessing Yankee management gets you nowhere.
BloggingBombers The guess here is that they start Hughes in a minor-league game to line him up where they want him. I still think Garcia goes to the bullpen
“I am taking the suckiest pilot over the passenger, the suckiest doctor over the patient or average lay person – b/c there is some level of knowledge that will always be better than the guy who says “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night” aka – the fan boys. . . . .”
Did you ever wonder why there is specialized training and mandatory licensing requirements for doctors and pilots, but not for scouts?
While the pitchers might know the plan, the reason I think they more likely don’t is because it would be really hard to keep that stuff a secret IMO. Things always get leaked out.
I guess my point is that there’s no good reason for holding onto that stuff until zero hour. It isn’t like the season will implode if they announce the rotation a few days ahead of time!
Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
“other side drew first blood.”
In what sense did any of the people you’re currently obsessed with draw first blood? Let’s say they’re overly upset with the trade of Montero; how is that drawing first blood? It seems as if someone posting that he was going to cancel his season tickets is what drove you insane; how was that an offense against you?
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To quote Nework – I made as hell and I am not going to take anymore – the Montero obsession was a bit much last year – especially late last year – but this January – you would have thought we just trade Mo or someone. . . .
And yeah – I am old fashioned – I do not want to share my fandom experience with someone that reacted that way – just as I would not want a Yankees fan to also be a Red Sox fan at the same time.
chip ? madoff suit was only one of the things weighing on fred?s mind.
he still has 1.4b debt load on the team (400-some m), sny (another 400-some m) and citifield (800m). he has scheduled payments, on that debt. i saw 25m every 6 months just on citifield. he lost 70m on the team last year, he?s seeing fewer renewals of seats this year, and is projecting another 15% drop in attendance. we can do the math on related dropoffs in concessions with that. add in declining add revenue on sny, and we can see that fred still has major problems with his financial situation. all that madoff settlement did was relieve some uncertainty, which is always a good thing, but it by no means gives him clear sailing.
i think alderson would love to move santana, but without eating much money. i think that would be hard to do.
gb ? so tatum cleared waivers then?
“In any case, outguessing Yankee management gets you nowhere.”
Ain’t that the truth. That’s why I don’t bother wasting my time playing the guessing game.
I think I’ll take my disgust to the gym.
Later, gang.
Rich in NJ March 30th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
“I am taking the suckiest pilot over the passenger, the suckiest doctor over the patient or average lay person – b/c there is some level of knowledge that will always be better than the guy who says “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night” aka – the fan boys. . . . .”
Did you ever wonder why there is specialized training and mandatory licensing requirements for doctors and pilots, but not for scouts?
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First – there is a specialized training and mandatory licensing for lawyers – that is what is what most of the post was addressed to.
Second – go ahead – try and apply for a scout position – more likely than not – you probably had to have some baseball experience beforehand – playing, coaching, some sort of experience – and I am not talking about Jonah Hill Moneyball Paul Depodesta sit in the front office – I am talking Charleston – sitting with the fan boys on their one game pilgrimage to see J.R. Murphy and then base their total opinion that the guy cannot catch on one game versus the paid scout – i.e. someone is actually paying, presumable withholding taxes, etc for this individual sit there and draw on a wealth of experience to make an opinion on something. . . .
All I ask is that a Scout show up to a game NOT looking like he got his clothes out of a Duffle Bag.
Sweeney Murti believes Cabral has the edge over Repada and that Garcia is the odd man out of the rotation and understands that he’s not going to be happy about it, “not only will he be in the pen, but he’s staring at a train in the form of Andy Pettitte.”
Stoneburner, this is really a bad place for you to spend time if you don’t want to share your “fandom experience” with people who are going to look at and react to these issues in a number of wildly different ways. In the small sense that one’s “fandom experience” is defined by what they read in here, do you think your current jihad is going to enhance that of anyone else, or are you solely concerned with your own?
DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
All I ask is that a Scout show up to a game NOT looking like he got his clothes out of a Duffle Bag.
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Hard to do when you spend almost all of your time traveling.
“First – there is a specialized training and mandatory licensing for lawyers – that is what is what most of the post was addressed to.”
But you didn’t mention lawyers in your post:
“I am taking the suckiest pilot over the passenger, the suckiest doctor over the patient or average lay person – b/c there is some level of knowledge that will always be better than the guy who says “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night” aka – the fan boys. . . . .”
And the point remains. When the public’s life, liberty, or property is at risk, the gov’t takes measures to ensure a minimum level of competency.
That’s not the case with scouts. So the analogy falls of its own weight.
“Second – go ahead – try and apply for a scout position – more likely than not – you probably had to have some baseball experience beforehand – playing, coaching, some sort of experience – and I am not talking about Jonah Hill Moneyball Paul Depodesta sit in the front office – I am talking Charleston – sitting with the fan boys on their one game pilgrimage to see J.R. Murphy and then base their total opinion that the guy cannot catch on one game versus the paid scout – i.e. someone is actually paying, presumable withholding taxes, etc for this individual sit there and draw on a wealth of experience to make an opinion on something. . . .”
I can’t afford the pay cut.
But apart from that, the idea that only scouts can have an (informed) opinion on baseball is bizarre. If that rule was codified, it might put MLB out of business, because fan interest would decline precipitously.
When I win 540 million mega millions I’m going to buy the Charleston Riverdogs and become a minority owner of the New York Yankees. I will sit in on all the meetings and be a Yankees insider.
You should all be very frightened.
cito culver @yaboicito 2 more days left and it’s see ya to Tampa and what up to charleston. Who’s there on opening day April 5th?? #needthatgoodfanbase.
Look sharp, think sharp, be smart. That’s a famous motto.
“Look sharp, think sharp, be smart. That’s a famous motto.”
Fonzi?
Love The Fonz..
My guess is Hughes pitches on Thursday in a sim/minor league game, which lines him up as the #5 starter. Nova is lined up as #3. That leaves either Pineda or Garcia as the #4.
My understanding was that the only credential one needs to be a scout is to have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. I believe, GB and others will concur.
DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Look sharp, think sharp, be smart. That’s a famous motto.
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Which is going the way of the dodo bird in many organizations where it doesn’t really matter what you look like. The brain is not connected to the clothes. If you need a suit on to think there is something wrong with you.
Bret, I’m parapbrasing, but there was once a great quote from a Yankee minority owner: “You don’t really know what it means to be a minority owner until you’re a minority owner with George Steinbrenner.”
Good luck getting into those insidet meetings.
Blue Jays fun:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blo.....48987.html
Bret The Hitman March 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
When I win 540 million mega millions I’m going to buy the Charleston Riverdogs and become a minority owner of the New York Yankees. I will sit in on all the meetings and be a Yankees insider.
You should all be very frightened.
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David Dejesus will be a Yankee yet!!!!
Bret The Hitman March 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
When I win 540 million mega millions I’m going to buy the Charleston Riverdogs and become a minority owner of the New York Yankees. I will sit in on all the meetings and be a Yankees insider.
You should all be very frightened.
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It’s now $640.
You’ve got better odds of getting killed on your way to buy them lottery tickets than actually winning the mega millions jackpot. So be extra careful on your trip to the store.
Really, the rotation that starts the season isn’t as important as the set that finishes the season, and hopefully into the postseason.
No one has mentioned the most obvious possibility. A trade in the works.
Stuckey,
This the last time i will answer to you, since you give me no choice:
1) I always argue in good faith, i may be wrong but i am never dishonest. i don´t think i can say the same is the case from your end.
2)You have insulted me both last night and today. I don´t think i have ever done that to you, and if i thought i did, i inmediately apologize for it. Today you called me dishonest, last night in simpler words you called me a raging lunatic.
3) What i critisize in general terms is the process that lead to the trade. I think it was poor management decision making. And the most recent moves confirms that, IMO. That´s why i say that regardless of what happens with the players in a vaccum, it was a bad trade. I just pointed out in what case the FO could claim victory in this case, but still it was a bad trade from the decision making stand point.
Good management tends to enhance both strengths and weaknesses, but it would never enhance an already strong part of their business at the expense of a weakness, it makes you vulnerable to attacks. In this case, if you don´t have a clear glaring need ( Offense) you could sale your excess pitching at higher price, you can´t do that if the contrary feels that you are as much in need as he is.
4) Please stop infering what my line of thinking was when i made my posts. Stick to what was written, to asume what my line of thinking was, is desingenous at best.
5) i like to know where people stand when i am discusing with them, in your case i never know where you stand in anything. I think that most of the time you argue for the sake of argument. And i find that desingenous at best.
6) Your posts are too long, and more often than not filled with gibberish. Maybe i am too dumb to grasp your superior knowledge, but if you spoke more clearly, simple and less abstract i may be able to understand it. Please give your dialectic thought process a rest, sometimes speaking directly with less questions that you already know the answer works the best.
eboland11 Garcia said he would go to the bullpen “if it’s good for the team” but said the way he felt he could help team best would be as a starter
m March 30th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
No one has mentioned the most obvious possibility. A trade in the works.
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Actually, I did, and so did others.
m March 30th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
No one has mentioned the most obvious possibility. A trade in the works.
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Could be. Pineda could just as easily throw on Thursday and be lined up to be the #5. Or they could stick Hughes in the bullpen. I think we only really know 1-3 right now.
And the point remains. When the public’s life, liberty, or property is at risk, the gov’t takes measures to ensure a minimum level of competency.
That’s not the case with scouts. So the analogy falls of its own weight.
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You use a big word “ensure” – if this was the case – which is not – we would not have any accidents attributed to pilot error – or any malpractice cases due to doctor negligence – so yeah – every profession has it less than desirables – but you put someone without any of that training at all – you will be in an even more unimaginable position. No – if you had to choose between someone who has some level of experience – and PAID for it mind you – versus the fan boy staying at the holiday inn – you take the person with paid level of experience’s position.
Plus there is this notion that these scouts are terrible – they do this job bad – here is what separates the fan boy further from the scout – scouts know baseball is not an exact science – fan boys think it is with their numbers, their readings of Pinestripes Plus, their dreams of following generational players, and their belief that their opinion and amateur “acumen” means something more than than what it really is – an unpaid, amateurs opinion – and it is that opinion you CANNOT say with certainity that the trade in January was a complete failure – and that is really my whole point – wait and see how it turns out.
What would Hughes get you ?
P.S. I’m not in favor of trading him.
luis you seem like good guy. Best advice I can give you is to ignore your detractors. They are what they are!.
Good fortune,
C
m – that’s the same thought that crossed my mind. that phil could be close to being gone.
we could be reading way too much into this, but, possible that the past few weeks has been about setting up a trade. i guess we’ll know soon enough, if it happens.
yankeefeminista March 30th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
My understanding was that the only credential one needs to be a scout is to have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. I believe, GB and others will concur.
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For the love all things – just apply – please please please – apply for a position as a scout with a profesional baseball organization with Major League baseball. Once you have been hired, are on payroll, have passed any waiting period for health and retirement benefits – then we can start knowing a bit more of your take on Ravel Santana going 1 for 2 yesterday. Until then – you have no standing to criticize or make light of someone who is being paid to do a job.
errr . , , ,professional baseball organization . . . .
Nilsson March 30th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
You’ve got better odds of getting killed on your way to buy them lottery tickets than actually winning the mega millions jackpot. So be extra careful on your trip to the store.
Really, the rotation that starts the season isn’t as important as the set that finishes the season, and hopefully into the postseason.
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I was. I walked there and hopped a fence and walked through a lot that sell out buildings and green houses. I didn’t walk on the sidewalk.
But every tragedy is matched by a triumph.
If they’ve a mind to trade Hughes, MTU, their best bet is to let him roll awhile to establish that he’s indeed, back. Otherwise, they won’t get anything worth giving him up for.
(SFM: not only not in favor, staunchly against – trading Phil Hughes
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I wonder if you could get Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters from the Cubs for a combination of Garcia, Nunez, Maxwell and Joseph. Probably not even close to enough.
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Ssshhhh. I’m putting my fingers in my ears!!!
(If you mean a trade of Hughes)
BloggingBombers Hughes will pitch the second half of Monday’s game in Miami.
comet March 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
luis you seem like good guy. Best advice I can give you is to ignore your detractors. They are what they are!.
Good fortune,
C
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Thank you Comet, i certainly appreciate your advice.
Just put Hughes in the pen already – let him be the hair apparent to Joba/Soriano with Robertson as the closer.
He’d help us more that way than Garcia rotting as a mop up man.
“Maybe they figure Hughes is stretched out enough and they just want to give him some side work in a later game and want to take a slightly longer look at Warren as a possible long relief guy?”
yea kinda what I figured…..either that or Hughes has veteran status now and doesn’t have to pitch on the road
MarcCarig
Hughes will also pitch Monday in Miami. Splitting with Kuroda.
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Ugh. So now do the tea leaves point to the bullpen???
I think they’re just messing with everyone. They don’t want to give anything away.
Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Stoneburner, this is really a bad place for you to spend time if you don’t want to share your “fandom experience” with people who are going to look at and react to these issues in a number of wildly different ways. In the small sense that one’s “fandom experience” is defined by what they read in here, do you think your current jihad is going to enhance that of anyone else, or are you solely concerned with your own?
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Great,you used the word j i h a d, now this blog will be watched by the F B I .
Thanx.
m March 30th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
No one has mentioned the most obvious possibility. A trade in the works.
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Hello M,
It could very well be….I don´t think the timing is right for that kind of move, since i don´t think at this point Hughes could bring anything of real impact. If they are going that rout, i think they will wait either until the trade line or next offseason.
Or, just lining everyone up.
Sure hope it doesn’t rain a lot in April. Not a lot of off days.
But, maybe if it does rain a lot, you end up using all 6 pitchers, if one is in the pen and the other three are in the rotation.
“You use a big word “ensure” – if this was the case – which is not – we would not have any accidents attributed to pilot error – or any malpractice cases due to doctor negligence – so yeah – every profession has it less than desirables – but you put someone without any of that training at all – you will be in an even more unimaginable position. No – if you had to choose between someone who has some level of experience – and PAID for it mind you – versus the fan boy staying at the holiday inn – you take the person with paid level of experience’s position.”
I said ensure a minimum level of competency, that doesn’t mean that competent people don’t make mistakes, hence the doctrine of negligence.
In was in response to your post:
“I am taking the suckiest pilot over the passenger, the suckiest doctor over the patient or average lay person – b/c there is some level of knowledge that will always be better than the guy who says “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night” aka – the fan boys. . . . .”
So in context, it means a regulatory standard in an attempt to protect the public. No reasonable person thinks it’s a per se guarantee of safety.
Come on, dude, your posts are straining credulity, and your analogies are silly.
Plus there is this notion that these scouts are terrible – they do this job bad – here is what separates the fan boy further from the scout – scouts know baseball is not an exact science – fan boys think it is with their numbers, their readings of Pinestripes Plus, their dreams of following generational players, and their belief that their opinion and amateur “acumen” means something more than than what it really is – an unpaid, amateurs opinion – and it is that opinion you CANNOT say with certainity that the trade in January was a complete failure – and that is really my whole point – wait and see how it turns out.
This is just a rant, and not worth a response.
OK. So now the great Hughes mystery has been solved and we can go back to wondering whether Freddy or Pineda is getting bumped from the Ro.
Pineda vs. Garcia vs. Nova probably still up in the air. Nova is probably safe, but not totally out of the woods. I think Pineda’s start will tell them a lot.
Besides, Hughes, Nova, and Betances are still competing with eachother for the right to stay in the rotation post-Andy returning.
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Great,you used the word j i h a d, now this blog will be watched by the F B I .
Thanx.
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Well, somebody needs to monitor this blog
My 25:
SS – Jeter
CF – Granderson
2b – Cano
3b – Alex
1b – Tex
RF – Swisher
DH – Ibanez
C – Martin
LF – Gardner
Bench: Cervelli, Nunez, Jones, Chavez
Rotation:
CC
Kuroda
Hughes
Pineda
Nova
Pen:
RHP – Rivera, Soriano, Robertson, Mitchell
LHP – Logan, Cabral
Garcia, Maxwell and Repada will all be traded.
Nick In SF, Mexico,
That quote was pretty close.
“There’s nothing so limited as being a limited partner of George Steinbrenner.” – John McMullin, limited partner
I wanted to get it closer to right:
… as fellow minority owner John McMullen stated, “There is nothing in life quite so limited as being a limited partner of George Steinbrenner.”
and I can’t add – left Wade off by accident.
lining Hughes up to be the #3 starter
BloggingBombers Logic says it will be CC-Kuroda-Hughes at the Trop next weekend. 7 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
Thanks, GB. I came back from Mexico so I would be able to improve my quote accuracy % — very much a work in progress.
MarcCarig
Hughes will also pitch Monday in Miami. Splitting with Kuroda.
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How does this make sense? Kuroda should be slated to go at least 6-7 innings. Do they plan to back off the starters in their last starts to 4 or 5 innings? That doesn’t make sense either.
Stonedbummer,
I don’t think there’s a requirement on here to read any of the amateur scouting reports, which really aren’t scouting reports. More like, ready for this, observations and opinions….just like real grown up scouts.
Or lining him up as the third starter. I was thinking it was that, but I get a lot of heat for being a Phil homer.
Probably finish up in the bullpen, then.
” Do they plan to back off the starters in their last starts to 4 or 5 innings? That doesn’t make sense either.”
they usually back off a little heading in to opening day…..most guys only throw 70-80 pitches in their final tuneup……I’d say they are going to throw Kuroda 5 innings and then Hughes 4 then line them up to pitch in Tampa.
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There are still a few of us here (Phil phans, that is).
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m March 30th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Or lining him up as the third starter. I was thinking it was that, but I get a lot of heat for being a Phil homer.
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You? infected too?….What is this world of sports becoming!
Welcome to the club 
eboland11 Girardi again called tonight an “important” start for Pineda.
Then why wouldn’t they start Hughes Tuesday to line him up as the #3, and Nova Wednesday (if he is the #4)?
Erik Boland ?@eboland11 Girardi again called tonight an “important” start for Pineda.
# m March 30th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Or lining him up as the third starter. I was thinking it was that, but I get a lot of heat for being a Phil homer.
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Stand in line.
looks like pineda will be the number 5 starter.
cc
kuroda
hughsey
nova-ey
pineda
Nick,
Gone are the days of the best quotes by and of George Steinbrenner. The only quote that ever got to George was Billy Martin’s. two of the most brutal of quotes came from Graig Nettles and Lou Piniella. and they stayed players and favorites of George.
Skipper Giradi is going to play his poker hand to the end……..
Because waiting until Tuesday for Hughes would be too much rest. They are already stretching it. He’ll be the 3.
“Erik Boland ?@eboland11 Girardi again called tonight an “important” start for Pineda.”
This start really determines where he starts the season?
So that leaves Nova as the 4th starter potentially and Pineda as the 5th?
Rich in NJ March 30th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
“Erik Boland ?@eboland11 Girardi again called tonight an “important” start for Pineda.”
This start really determines where he starts the season?
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Can’t imagine that it does – but I don’t see any harm in seeing how Pineda responds to a little bit of pressure – he’s certain to be facing more pitching for the Yankees than he did with the Mariners – this whole thing could just be a contrived way of seeing how he does when the chips are down.
n Game #2 in bottom of the 7th with Swish and Po on, Martin flied out and didn’t advance the runners.
In Game #3 with Po on, top of 2nd, Martin grounded into a DP, in top of the 9th with a runner on, he flied out and didn’t advance the runner.
In Game #3, top of the 2nd with Po on, Martin grounded into a DP. In the top of the 9th with a runner on, Martin flied out and didn’t advance the runner.
In Game 5 bottom 4th, Martin had runners at 1st and 2nd and popped up, advancing no one, in the bottom of the 6th with Po on first, Martin struck out swinging, in the bottom of the 8th, he struck out looking. I watched that AB 10 feet away from him, and it was one of the worst AB’s I have ever seen.
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Thanks fem. I just relived every one of those at-bats and now have my head in my hands at my desk. If anyone comes by and asks why I look so sick I’ll tell them its because I was reliving one of the most god awful at-bats I have ever seen in a playoff series.
Lol @ Luis and YF.
I’m one of Phil’s original blog moms. I can tell you haven’t been here very long.
Erin March 30th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
eboland11 Garcia said he would go to the bullpen “if it’s good for the team” but said the way he felt he could help team best would be as a starter
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That last part shows that Garcia isn’t going down quietly and sounded quite challenging toward their potential decision. He sounds disgruntled. Not surprised he okay’d being shopped to Miami. I suspect the yankees are working hard to find Garcia a home, and as a result the “rah rah” of Garcia by Girardi could be a way of boosting his value,
I’m still not a fan of the trade BUT I don’t want Pineda to go down to AAA unless it’s done for the best interest of Pineda, which in this case it’s about having too many pitchers. I could care less about his velocity in ST. I believe it will come back. Frankly, I would be concerned that with all the velocity talk, that if he were sent down, he may see it as a result of his fb and might push himself to injury, thinking he needs to push 97 to be called back up. This may not be the case as I don’t know him, but I could see it happening.
Can’t wait to see Andy join. And I hope it’s CC, Andy and our 3 young guns in the rotation
m, Have at it; I’m his Trenton mom.
Shame, think positively; there’s only one way to go and that is up.
Later, kids.
Pat M.,
good afternoon. Hope all is well with our pool girls.
There’s a week to go gor Girardi and Cashman to make their decisions. Cashman may have been working on a deal for Garcia since December, but, could get more in the next 5-6 days if players (pitchers) keep falling.
Just like signing Teixeira and sabathia. He most likely didn’t pull those deals out of thin air. He spent a lot of time working out details of those deals. That plan cost other teams in a better position to sign them when they apparently tried to dazzle them and do it on the fly. When you look unprepared, it tends to shake the confidence of the people you deal with. No reason to rush things, though, I doubt much happens until Pettitte shows what he has left.
If there are Phil Moms, can there be Montero dads?
Yanks 97, of course.
They should be able to get a very good prospect for Garcia. Teams like the Marlins, Brewers, Cardinals, Royals, Twins, Rockies, Reds, Astros, etc. need pitching. Get them all in a bidding war and get 1 or 2 good prospects and ship him out.
Also package Nova, Maxwell, Rapada, and Pena to try and get a young bat when Andy is ready to come back.
Yank 97 March 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
If there are Phil Moms, can there be Montero dads?
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Luis and I have that covered, but we could cut you in, I guess
(I’d include GB7, but he has abandoned his raised “puppy” 
).
If Garcia or any other pitcher just gave up and rolled over when confronted with a challenge, not sure that would be the player I wanted. Garcia’s job is to make the decision impossible. They’re all doing that…making girardi’s and Cashman’s as close to impossible as they can.
yankeefeminista March 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Shame, think positively; there’s only one way to go and that is up.
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I’ll try!! And the sad part is I actually like Martin and everything he brings to the table… but those at bats were utterly brutal. Way worse than what Swisher was doing and that’s saying something.
Nobody has abandoned anyone.
I think this is between Pineda to AAA and Garcia to the bullpen and that’s really what the decision should be between…..
I’d be fine with trading Hughes and Romaine and maybe others for Bryce harper…just saying…
Rich,
I think this start does decide Pineda’s immediate fate. If he wants to stay up, he will have to show velocity, in my opinion.
GB….Now that The LA Dodgers are back in business……
In case Cashman really reads these things
New Post
By the way, the winner of tonight’s lottery will earn more in one minute than ARod and DJ have and will make in their whole careers.
Nice!
“I think this start does decide Pineda’s immediate fate. If he wants to stay up, he will have to show velocity, in my opinion.”
I just hope that Pineda doesn’t overthrow in order to make the team.
Luis,
I have NO interest in 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6.
I may lack the friendly air you seem to place value on at times but I stick to what you write. Whatever personal insults you infer is just that. I have ZERO sense of you as a person, as that would be impossible given the nature of our interaction.
You want to get to know “where I stand”, understand I have NO interest in either defending myself against the insults you presumably now feel justified lobbing/”returning” at me, or persuading you to feel differently. You’re entitled to your opinion about me and to express it if you choose and I’m apathetic to as what regard you hold me in, again, filtered by what you think you know about “me” via words on a screen.
But I’m already bored with that, so let’s move on to the only relevant topic, #3.
“That´s why i say that regardless of what happens with the players in a vaccum, it was a bad trade. I just pointed out in what case the FO could claim victory in this case, but still it was a bad trade from the decision making stand point.”
So you can’t be wrong, under any circumstances?
“Good management tends to enhance both strengths and weaknesses,”
Fine, but strengths and weaknesses is a relative, highly subjective judgment.
One of the stronger opponents of the trade made the very astute point about the fragility of pitching.
His purpose in pointing out that truism was to suggest trading hitting for something so fragile is poor judgment. My counter to his truism to this day is its fragility is exactly why ever judging it was a “strength” is a dubious conclusion.
In order to reconcile the premise, that pitching is a Yankee strength, someone needs to explain how anything so fragile could ever really be regarded as such?
If you want to take a stab at it I’d certainly listen.
So we’re down to pitching is a strength and hitting is a weakness … but not necessarily THIS year but MAYBE in 2013 or 2014 … and MAYBE only in 2013 and 2014 because some very good potential bats are 2-3 years away, and ONLY IF no quality bats not already in the Yankees system are made available to them.
You say the Yankees offense IS a weakness as if this premise is not in dispute, and couching it as “IMO” is assumed, it doesn’t strengthen the argument.
The premise is in dispute, and therefore the foundation of your argument.
Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
GB….Now that The LA Dodgers are back in business……
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The Dodgers could challenge for the West with a starter and a little bullpen help. Not sure what they could offer, though. adding pitching and subtracting an outfield bat does seem to be counter productive, though. haven’t looked at their farm.
Screw it, I’ll just wait until they announce. All scenarios have good and bad aspects.
However, sending Pineda down to AAA because of his velocity would be stupid.