Pineda ready to take his next spring turn
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 30, 2012 
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“We’re still gathering. We’re in the information gathering business.”
Those are Joe Girardi’s words. Of course he was talking about the Yankees rotation competition, and he was speaking one day before Michael Pineda’s final spring start before the decision is made. A month and a half ago, it seemed the longest of long shots that Pineda might not make the big league roster (much less the rotation), but now the Yankees are leaving open the possibility of sending Pineda to Triple-A.
“We want to see how he’s doing, just like anyone else,” Girardi said. “I’ve looked at his starts and they’ve been pretty decent. I’ll look at his next start, what I think. We’ll sit around a room and try to hash it out the best we can.”
Pineda’s velocity is down this spring, but his offspeed pitches seem to be better than the Yankees were expecting. Ultimately, the results have been good. Knowing what to expect from Pineda, though, is a little difficult because he’s new. He doesn’t have the instant familiarity of Ivan Nova, or the track record of Freddy Garcia. The Yankees are learning as they go, adding this spring’s information to what they’ve already learned from a distance.
Tonight might be their last chance to gather information before they make a rotation decision.
“Does it hurt (that he’s new)?” Girardi said. “No, because I’ve watched plenty of his tapes to see what he’s capable of doing. He’s added a pitch really since last year for me. That’s a difference. … I want to see how sharp he is, and to get some distance out of him (tonight). These guys have been going up to about 95 pitches. We want to get some distance.”
Associated Press photo
Pineda will be in the Trop on Good Friday.
Good luck Michael Pineda. I hope you nail it.
Chad, that’s an awful picture of Pineda!!!
Well, we shall see what we shall see. And then we’ll lather, rinse, repeat when (if) Pettitte is ready.
Sigh.
There are some reasons why Pineda could make the roster.
He was asked to work on his CU and he did, and it’s been pretty good.
If he airs it out today and shows some 97-98 fastballs with precision location, will he help his cause?
If he starts the season as the #5, he faces the Orioles away and comes back to NY to face the Twins, teams that could help him build early confidence and start the season 2-0.
I think the Yankees are evaluating multiple pitching decisions while also exploring trades for Garcia.
Michael.
If you want to roll with big boys you better bring the whole package tonight.
Best of luck.
Not a George King fan but read his NYPost article anyway on Pineda:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....t5ZjO92bpM
Yankee Trader -
thinking the same thing. If he has some pop on his fastballs today – even just a few of them – and incorporates the CU effectively, and is a little more economical and able to give innings, then they Yankees have a real problemo, because then the only reason to send him down is gone.
If he was indeed pacing himself, I’m not so certain that doesn’t show he’s pretty savvy about what he needs to do as a pitcher for himself. (Um, I without all the double negatives, he may actually be smart about what he needed to accomplish and his own timeline.)
The Yankees already made their decision which is why Mitchell is still being stretched out as a starter.
I don’t remember. Is King a good witch or a bad witch???
Craw-
Just curious.
What are you predicting ?
What’s your take ?
With Mitchell out of the picture, who other than Garcia would be the long man?
Crawdaddy is right.
jnorris427
To prove that the #Yankees haven’t made up their mind in re: rotation, Banuelos and Betances are the only two SPs listed on Scranton roster.
The guy whose name could be left off that roster will be Pineda’s biggest fan tonight.
Bret-
I don’t agree that DJ is out of the picture. I think he auditioned for long man last night and did very well.
Mitchell has 4 pitches and keeps his pitches low. I just finished watching the replay of his outing last night, and although he gave up a run, on a ball that Bill Hall should have gotten an out on, he was very impressive getting out of a one out bases loaded jam afterward. One of the two walks was intentional.
If Garcia is in the starting rotation and Pineda goes to AAA, Mitchell is probably taking the long man spot in the bullpen.
Nova should be the #3-had very good results last year against the teams he’d face first-the Rays and Angels.
jnorris427
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MTU -
I think they just changed their minds about seeing if he was a guy who could be used on quick-turnaround appearances, which a long man usually wouldn’t do. So, I agree he is still in the running for a long man, but long man only.
YT-
I concur. The only proviso being that Pineda might have a killer outing tonight.
That could change the picture if he brings his A game.
Maybe it tips the scales one way or another.
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand The decision on Pineda will be made on what they think is best for him long-term. The trade is not about April, ’12, it is about nxt 5 yrs
Villa-
On George King:
George King (January 23, 1919 – July 12, 1997) was Founder-President of The Aetherius Society, a UFO religion. He was also an inventor, author, lecturer and spiritual teacher.
“Bad Witch?”
Yankee Trader -
Well, I can’t keep track of which writers we like or don’t like, or does it change on a daily basis??
LOL
VN-
I agree. I think DJ would grab Garcia’s spot if he goes to the Ro.
IMO his stuff plays well in that role.
Especially the fact that he gets so many GB’s.
Chad:
Do they know they extent of Corban Joseph’s shoulder injury?
MTU-
If you ask me to make a prediction, even if Pineda airs it out today, game on MLB network TV at 7, I think he’s the one that will go to AAA, IF, Garcia is not traded yet and Mitchell will be the long man.
However I think the Yankees can now explore trades for Garcia, as any one of Phelps, Warren, or Mitchell is ready to play in the bigs!
OK.
So here’s today’s rumor mill.
CC
Kuroda
Nova
Hughes
Garcia
(Pineda)
Mo
D-Rob
Soriano
Logan
Wade
Mitchell
Cabral/Rapada
@ AAA :
Pineda
Phelps
Warren
Dellin
Man-Ban
i’m not down on pineda at all if they give him a proper development time to make the transition to a three plus pitch pitcher.
i just don’t want him rushed into having to win and learn at the same time.
but at this point , i more concerned with what they do with nova.
the good news is that the yankees are loaded with potential. any one of these guys including garcia could run off 5-6 victories in a row.
nova just can not be sent down. period.
YT-
Lot’s of if’s. More convolutions than that big brain of yours.
You operate like a hedge fund.
Jack Curry said he believes Garcia will be the odd man out – given that he works for YES which owns the Yankees I am going to opt to trust his sources on this.
Randy-
If they send Ivan down you and I will pull off a hostage rescue.
We’ll go in as Ninja’s.
Let’s just make sure we don’t let GB plan the mission. He’s a bit rusty.
mitchell is going to be the long man once they decide to pull the trigger on one of the freddy trade offers they have sitting on the table, imo.
Randy-
I think, based on his recent outings, his success against the Rays and Angels last year, his ability to give you innings with a nice easy delivery, he’s safe, and will be #3 in the rotation.
MTU-
That post on the Yankee pitching lineup is probably right.
Maybe the Yankees will invite two LoHud posters with divergent views on what they should do about Pineda, to their internal meetings.
I know this has been discussed to death, but..
They traded the best MLB-ready hitting prospect in MLB for a pitcher who has a good year in the majors under his belt, has had good spring results and they’re going to send him down to AAA because his velocity is down by 3 MPH?
WTF?
Trader –
I completely agree with you. Garcia (if he’s not the starter) will be traded. I think the only reason it hasn’t happened thus far is that Girardi and Cashman are hedging against an injury in this next week. If one of the 5 starters were to go down the Yankees could pop Freddy in and that’s that. But if they break camp healthy then I think Garcia is traded and Mitchell is the long man.
YT-
This is some really interesting stuff.
Would you volunteer to go ?
What would the Yankees be able to get for Freddy ?
“Scouts noticed he was cutting a lot of fastballs, either naturally or on purpose. WIth the Mariners, he didn’t feature a cut fastball.”
From the King article……I and others have mentioned this several times…..that it looks like often he’s either working on a cutter or that he’s just off in his mechanics and is getting on the side of his fastball a little and cutting it without meaning to….which will also decrease velocity. I don’t like making this decision on one ST start……but in this case if he comes out tonight pumping 95 then maybe it changes their mind……if the velo is where it has been then im starting to think they may send him down……which im cool with …..as mentioned this is a long term investment…..ans they need to handle him correctly to get him where he needs to be
MTU March 30th, 2012 at 9:40 am
What would the Yankees be able to get for Freddy ?
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At the very least a prospect or two.
Lot’s of if’s. More convolutions than that big brain of yours.
You operate like a hedge fund.
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MTU-
Very good. I narrowly missed out on buying the Dodgers!
On Garcia-Unless a team is willing to take on his 4M contract and bonus clauses, don’t expect much of a return.
Only the amazing Randy dared to predict that the Yankees might send Pineda to AAA early on.
Talk about some Nostradamus and some huevos.
He took some serious heat for even suggesting it.
Chip-
Such as ?
if the issue is this hard now, what happens when pettite comes back?
If Pettite comes back the difficulty level goes form a half-flip off the board to to a triple sommersault with a twist.
Maybe the Yankees will invite two LoHud posters with divergent views on what they should do about Pineda, to their internal meetings.
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MTU-
No chance I”m volunteering, especially if Randy is there, unless I cantake GB with me. Now I will be in Tampa in a few weeks, but it’s only as part of a group of us hedge fund CEOs to buy the Yankees.
sp: from. sorry.
YT-
While you’re rollin’in the big time I’ll be sleepin’ at some Holiday Inn Express so I can get up to speed.
You could always bring “It” along to keep Randy under control.
MTU March 30th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Chip-
Such as ?
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Don’t know.
First we have to figure out where he would go – you have to assume it’s a team that is a little pitching thin but still has designs on competing this year (or else why would they want Garcia) and also you have to eliminate the usual suspects (teams that the Yankees won’t deal with)
Then you have to look at their organizational depth – etc..etc…it’s a process.
Can’t we just say that Garcia (if traded) would net a decent prospect – likely a bat – and leave it at that?
If the Yanks send Pineda to AAA they have their head up their posterior. It won’t happen. If it does it will be Hughes and Joba all over again. But, it won’t happen.
“if the issue is this hard now, what happens when pettite comes back?”
Well….I think you cross that bridge when you get there…..if everyone is pitching well then I don’t know what you do to be honest……if youth squeezes Garcia out….then should the same principle apply with Andy who may just be a one year thing as well? Should they take Nova or Pineda or Hughes out of the rotation if they are all pitching well to accommodate Andy? It’ll probably work itself out…..and its a good problem….but it could get a little messy
Chip-
Sure. But I thought you might want to chime in more specifically.
This is your bread-and-butter after all.
“I don’t think Noesi made Seattle’s opening day roster.”
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M’s had a 28-man Opening Day roster for the series in Japan and Hector was indeed on it. Though he, along with Iwakuma and Millwood were ineligible to pitch in the series (Noesi and Iwakuma were the exhibition starters and Millwood didn’t even make the trip).
M’s starting rotation:
Felix, Vargas, Noesi, Beavan, Millwood
,If the Yanks send Pineda to AAA they have their head up their posterior.”
I don’t think so really….especially if his arm strength just isn’t there……the Giants did the same thing with Bumgardner a couple of years ago….he showed up missing his fastball….they send him down and after a couple of months it came back…..they brought him back up and he’s been great ever since…….I don’t think it would be the end of the world (though the media may paint it as such).
blake thats exactly what i mean, if everyone is pitching well its a tuff move
Blake, that’s not the way the Yanks operate. If they send Pineda down it will turn out badly, it will end up a mess.
WYH-
So you’re predicting Freddy to the pen or traded ?
“If the Yanks send Pineda to AAA they have their head up their posterior.”
Or… are being run by an accountant ( as opposed to a Stein) who realizes how much future money he can save by just a few short months in AAA. This whole rotation dilemma really gives the Yankees a legitimate way to be cheapskates.
BTW congrats on your Cardinals.
Colon was masterful yesterday, 8 innings , only 86 pitches, 3 hits, one walk, 6 strikouts and one run on a homer to Smoak.
Chip-
Garcia and Vazquez for Colon?
“Blake, that’s not the way the Yanks operate. If they send Pineda down it will turn out badly, it will end up a mess.”
You could say that with regards to developing youth starters….the way they have operated in the past hasn’t been all that great……I don’t think its a big deal….I still think he will be in the rotation most likely…..but if he’s not I can understand why and I think it’ll be fine and only temporary
Hughes fans want Pineda (or Nova) in AAA so that when Pettitte returns, Garcia can be ousted and Phil will be safe.
But not a single one of his biggest fans have explained how long they intend to keep Pineda (or Nova) in AAA upon Pettitte’s return.
Final Jeopardy question for all the marbles:
Where do Freddy Garcia and Michael Pineda wind up ?
And considering Pettitte will return in May or even June, you’d be looking at keeping Pineda (or Nova) in AAA beyond that.
Sounds like a plan (for Phil).
MTU -
Haven’t really given it much thought.
Maybe include a decent prospect and get Sano the 18 year old 3b from the Twinkies. By the time he’s show ready Alex should be ready to be the full time DH.
Yankee Trader March 30th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Colon was masterful yesterday, 8 innings , only 86 pitches, 3 hits, one walk, 6 strikouts and one run on a homer to Smoak.
Chip-
Garcia and Vazquez for Colon?
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Ha – no.
Speaking of deals – am I alone in the notion that giving up anything for Bobby Abreu (as the Indians seem to be on the verge of doing) and asking him to play LF (which he has never done) when he’s already a bad outfielder is a really bad idea?
If it were me (and it is not) I would just sign Johnny Damon and be done with it. At this point Abreu offers zero power, zero glove, zero purpose…they would be better off just playing Trevor Crowe and Shelley Duncan out there.
MTU-
It looks like Hughes over Garcia, so I guess so. I just don’t want them to start over-thinking Pineda.
Tar,
Thanks! It probably comes to an end Saturday, but I read a study saying Davids defeat Goliaths about 35% of the time. I’ll take those odds.
WYH-
Thanks.
Sure would be nice to be a fly on the wall during the discussions.
I wonder if DARPA would loan me one of their micro drones for a couple of days ?
I’d promise to return it.
MTU and Chip-
Trading Garcia and his $4M plus incentive clauses that could push it over $5M will probably net the Yankees only a fringe prospect, unless the Yankees either “eat” some of the money or include other prospects.
If that’s the case, do the pros of trading him outweigh the cons, and make the Yankees a better team now?
As much as I like what I’ve seen from Kuroda, he is not part of the long term plan. I would roll the dice and trade both Kuroda and Garcia for prospects and have a rotation of:
CC
Pineda
Hughes
Pettite – have Adam Warren fill in until Pettite is ready
Nova
DJ Mitchell as the long man and both Warren and Phelps waiting in the wings if an injury occurs to one of the starters. The Yankees have the depth even without Kuroda and Garcia.
Kuroda has a full no-trade clause.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/.....tion-plot/
If anyone posts how the Yankees would be crazy/stupid/disrespectful to send xxx pitchers to AAA or the bullpen, they should be required by LoHud law to explain exactly who should be sent to AAA or the bullpen and why…
YT-
The Yankees have more options that the Chicago Board of Exchange.
Yankee Trader March 30th, 2012 at 10:13 am
MTU and Chip-
Trading Garcia and his $4M plus incentive clauses that could push it over $5M will probably net the Yankees only a fringe prospect, unless the Yankees either “eat” some of the money or include other prospects.
If that’s the case, do the pros of trading him outweigh the cons, and make the Yankees a better team now?
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I would still say yes.
Clubhouse harmony is a big big thing and if Garcia, who is already peeved about having to compete for a rotation spot, is moved to long relief and seldom used I can’t see him being a happy camper about it, especially coming off last year.
This spring we (and the Yankees) have seen enough from Mitchell, Warren and Phelps to know that if they need a spot starter – they can call upon one of them. And, of course, Andy is on the horizon as well.
So with Pettitte in the picture in May or June, the real threat to Phil Hughes existence as a Yankee is Ivan Nova and Michael Pineda. That’s what this competition is really about. And the Yankees didn’t stage it by accident.
GB et al, Heyer, Romanski to round out Trenton rotation, as per Norris.
You know, I truly do not care who gets sent where. Well I care in that I care about the feelings of the pitchers involved, but otherwise I have to trust the Yankees know what they are doing.
However I agree with that blake said yesterday (?) I think the Yankees absolutely know what they’re going to do and I HATE when they screw around like this and eek it out. I think it’s unfair to the players involved.
Have to go. Enjoy the day and Pineda tonight against the Phillies[on TV].
“Show me the $$$ pitch-your heater. ”
Make it tough for the Yankees to send you down!!
Trader – if Pineda gets sent down it is possible it could be for reasons other than what he has to offer. People have mentioned his getting sent down would mean more control over him (contract-wise) in the future. When you have an embarrassment of riches, you can do that kind of thing.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 10:22 am
You know, I truly do not care who gets sent where. Well I care in that I care about the feelings of the pitchers involved, but otherwise I have to trust the Yankees know what they are doing.
However I agree with that blake said yesterday (?) I think the Yankees absolutely know what they’re going to do and I HATE when they screw around like this and eek it out. I think it’s unfair to the players involved.
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I agree that it stinks for the players – but I agree with what Jack Curry said yesterday during the game which was that right now you don’t say anything because you want everyone’s head in the right place in case there’s an injury.
For example, you tell Nova that he’s going to open the year in the minors and then tomorrow Garcia breaks his foot – now you have to turn back to Nova who was probably devastated and hope that he gets his head in the right place in time for his starts. On the other hand, if you don’t say anything and Garcia still breaks his foot, you turn around to Nova and say “hey, you were in the rotation anyway so nothing changes.”
Not that they should trade any of them……but the Yankees should be listening to offers on Hughes and Nova to see if either can bring back a controllable and good outfielder…..I don’t know if they could or not…..but Id say Cash is listening.
One thought, too, about all the young arms.
We may very well want them to pitch for the Yankees, but I think for them it is more about pitching in the major leagues, regardless of team.
So, in that regard, if a good ST showing gets them a starting job for another team, I think that is a good thing. And the Yankees can point to several current ML pitchers that have been traded from their system and who are pitching at the ML level, some doing very well.
Wave Your Hat March 30th, 2012 at 9:53 am
If the Yanks send Pineda to AAA they have their head up their posterior. It won’t happen. If it does it will be Hughes and Joba all over again. But, it won’t happen.
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How is that so, in Chamberlain’s case? They did the opposite with Joba: rather than sending him back to the minors, they decided to put him in the bullpen. He was never sent down again to work with Aldred on his delivery. IIRC, even with Hughes, he revisited the minors because of injuries (twice). Nova was the only guy sent back to “work” on himself: they wanted him to develop the slider.
Blake-
Brian Cashman :
“I will move any player in the right deal.”
He always listens.
i think the young starter most likley to be traded is nova, especally if hughes pitches well.
i like nova but i think he pitched above his potential last yr, and if the yankees feel the same they may trade him if the oppourunity occurs.
Chip, I hear you, but I have to believe that if and when the Yanks tell someone they are going to start in the minors, they would probably quickly follow it up with “just continue to work hard because you’ll be back up this season.” That would take care of the mind set if someone in the rotation were to get injured in the next several days.
I’m thinking that if they’re smart they will utilize all of the pitchers somewhere in the system. There are no guarantees with Andy, and until they know what they are getting, it would be foolhardy to trade away anyone – unless they are convinced that someone in the minors is absolutely ready to be in the majors.
And I would hope that they are of the mind set that they have to feel damned sure the pitcher is ready to move on up. Too many careers have been set back by rushing someone up before he was ready. In the past it was a necessity. Now it would just be stupidity.
Two stories on ESPN right now.
One about Hamels still talking to the Phillies about an extension. The other about the Giants “earnestly” wanting to keep Cain.
Bret must be having a bad morning…
I do not believe for a minute that the Yankees would consider trading Hughes. They’ve invested far too much into him to do that, especially now that it appears he has turned the corner.
However, I didn’t believe they’d trade Montero either.
blake March 30th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Not that they should trade any of them……but the Yankees should be listening to offers on Hughes and Nova to see if either can bring back a controllable and good outfielder…..I don’t know if they could or not…..but Id say Cash is listening.
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Nova to the A’s for Reddick and either Derek Norris or Grant Green
“If they send Ivan down you and I will pull off a hostage rescue.
We’ll go in as Ninja’s.
Let’s just make sure we don’t let GB plan the mission. He’s a bit rusty.”
mtu-
nurse karloff said gb7 is far from rusty. i was scared to ask exactly what she meant, but i think it’s safe to say gb7 has forgotten more than we’ll ever know about ninja stuff.
he’s in if we have to rescue nova
For those who think Pineda should go to AAA my question is: what do you think he needs to go down there to learn?
By all accounts the changeup that the Yankees wanted him to pick up he has picked up with ease. Do you want him to go down there to learn how to throw harder?
I’m sure the Yanks are concerned about the drop in MPH with Pinieda, but I believe they are Just as concerned that the guy showed up to ST an Admitted 15 lbs Overweight. And you know if he is willing to Admit to the 15 lbs, it’s actually More than that. The Yankees are attempting to give Pineda an attitude adjustment IMMEDIATELY.
I too, see NO reason why the Indians would be serious about trading for Abreu. Then again, they kicked the tires with AJ and we know where that went.
The Maxwell hold ‘em\fold ‘em is to me the most interesting of the Yankee decisions as ST quickly comes to an end. He looks Better every time I get to see him play, and More importantly, I get a sense he is beginning to believe in himself as being MLB material. All he needs is the opportunity to showcase his talents. This is a player on-the-come.
It seems to me Pineda controls his immediate future. If he is throwing 91-92 and is not pitching very well, he will be sent down in my opinion. If he is at 94 with other effective pitches tonight, he stays.
OK Randy.
GB is in. Rust or no rust.
Just keep him away from my beer and pizza though.
He’s been blamin’ Killer for years when we all know it’s really him who steals everyone’s Pizza.
Poor “Killer”.
Takin’ the bum rap.
Donny -
Honestly if the Indians are willing to trade someone for Abreu I would offer them Maxwell. He fits their needs a lot more and even if all he brings back is Trevor Crowe so what – it is still better than losing Justin for nothing (which is what the Yankees are likely to see happen). I think the only reason he’s still on the team is because of the injury situation with Swisher.
I would like to see Nova, Pineda and Hughes as starters w/ freddie as the odd man out. Why? Because the young guys are the future. Give them a chance, and readjust when Andy is ready.
what is pineda in the yankees rotation and garcia in the met’s rotation?
kate – ditto. ditto.
abreu is cooked.
Compass Rosy how has Hector done this spring? What your expectations for him this year?
I ran into a guy the other day with a Mariners’ shirt. We talked about the trade. He kept repeatedly how much he loved Pineda.
In my view, if Pineda shows a bit more velocity, he must be one of the starters.
Pineda just needs to wear his Yankee hat correctly.
What charactizes a pitcher as a ace?
Is it velocity? Location? Number of pitches a pitcher has in his arsenal.
Its funny how pineda is just a 4 or 5th starter because he lost some zip on his fastball. Does halladay throw 95? Does cliff lee? What about Kershaw? Being able to throw 98 does not make you an ace. That’s what I hate about what andrew marchand tweeted.
I think the yankees are playing hardball with the pitchers.
They keep saying that they have to earn a spot.
Hughes,and garcia have done that,obviously cc,and kuroda are in.
Also the thing with hughes,and being traded.
Hughes,imo,will have to show enough of an improvement to rule it out.
Can he finish off batters?
Pitch count,selection,using his changeup in certain counts,and getting results with it.
Nova had a very good year in 2011,not a great one.
Can he get better,or will he regress?
If he shows signs of regressing,i think he can easily be traded.
Pineda is here to stay.
If pineda is struggling to maintain 94 mph on his fb today,and needs more work on his changeup,he should be sent down.
It will be so much easier to work on a changeup in AAA.
Results matter anywhere.
Struggling,and or losing as a pitcher in the bronx are simply not allowed.
Hex March 30th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I know this has been discussed to death, but..
They traded the best MLB-ready hitting prospect in MLB for a pitcher who has a good year in the majors under his belt, has had good spring results and they’re going to send him down to AAA because his velocity is down by 3 MPH?
WTF?
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Truth is stranger than fiction, eh?
ron – i think you summed things up nicely. it’s not how hard you throw, but how well you get outs, and pitch.
i think the only way pineda gets sent down is, as you say, he is struggling, and more so than he has so far.
i agree about nova. i really like him, and think he will have a long and successful major league career. but, he is at some risk of being included in a trade, but only if the return is good enough. (nova as part of a deal for a justin upton type talent?)
bottom line, as you said, is that results matter.
Pineda currently is just a big kid, who needs to toughen up mentally. He is following the same bumpy road that Phil Hughes Was on. The language, culture, and being traded, make Pineda’s journey even tougher. In the end, “talent will out”. Yankees Must show some patience here.
“Struggling,and or losing as a pitcher in the bronx are simply not allowed.”
Which is the number one reason why the yankees or their fans will never have patience with young arms. The yankee front office will continue to sign veteran arms to 1 year deals because of this view.
That’s why AP is back and unfortunately some young pitcher is going to get sent down because of it.
Giradi doesn’t have the balls to pitch a young pitcher …ala Matt moore during the ALCS..like JM did this past year. And nova does not count because he pitched that year. I’m talking about calling a pitcher up and just letting him go out there and pitch.
“Pineda currently is just a big kid, who needs to toughen up mentally.”
What evidence do you have to support this claim?
benny – Giradi doesn?t have the balls to pitch a young pitcher ?ala Matt moore during the ALCS..like JM did this past year. And nova does not count because he pitched that year. I?m talking about calling a pitcher up and just letting him go out there and pitch.
benny – when was that time that that situation arose? remember, in 2008, they inserted both hughes and kennedy in the rotation at the start, they didn’t do well, and the yanks were roundly criticized for relying on kid pitchers for too much.
now, that situation might arise next year, when one of the aaa starters will likely be used (joining cc, pineda, hughes?, and nova?).
and, i don’t think it’s just a matter of girardi deciding he wants a certain pitcher, the gm has some say there. just ask bobby v
Put away your blackjack Benny. We are on the same side here.
I wonder what it would take to get Matt Dominguez from the Marlins.
Just doing a little reading on him he’s a solid 3b prospect who is defensively ready to play in the majors now. His bat has been slowed by a couple of injuries, but with HanRam moving over to 3b and the OF corners taken by Stanton and LoMo there’s no place for the Marlins to play him.
Could the Yankees get him for one of their second tier pitchers? Marlins do have age in their rotation (Zambrano and Buherle) and Anibel Sanchez is a FA at the end of the year.
Sam asks: The Dom Brown trade idea has been repeated ad nauseum, but what about another guy in a similar situation: Brandon Belt. The Giants don’t seem to want to play him, but he could definitely help the Yankees. Short term he relieves Ibanez of his duties and long-term he can play a corner OF spot, back up 1B and help the Yankees get under 189. The Giants SS situation is pitiful. Nunez seems like a reasonable start to a trade. Thoughts?
I love me some Brandon Belt. He’s kinda like a prospect version of Curtis Granderson in the sense that he was a solid prospect who made some mechanical adjustments to his swing and turned into a monster. He makes perfect sense for the Yankees as a left-handed power bat who can hit for average and is willing to take a walk, plus he’s shown he can handle a corner outfield spot over the last year even though his nature position is first base. The Giants have been jerking him around a bit even though he’s clearly one of the four or five best hitters in the organization.
The problem is this: Belt is their Jesus Montero, and we saw what kind of return it took to get Montero. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable comparison at all. Eduardo Nunez would probably be the second or third piece of the trade package, not the headline. The Giants could be in the market for some young arms with a Matt Cain extension looking more and more unlikely, so maybe a Manny Banuelos, Eduardo Nunez, plus a really nice third piece gets it done. Someone like Adam Warren or Brett Marshall. Maybe it takes someone more established like Ivan Nova instead of Banuelos.
I’d have no trouble dealing Nova/Banuelos, Nunez, and Warren/Marshall for Belt, but I’m not sure the Giants would bite. Aubrey Huff’s disaster contract will be off the books after the season, and the club will have some outfield openings with Angel Pagan and Melky Cabrera due to hit free agency next winter. I love to see the Yankees land Belt at some point, but I don’t think he’s a realistic option right now.
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Chip asked about Belt yesterday so here is Axisa’s take……I wouldn’t give as much as him because Im not positive he can play outfield acceptabley…..certainly wouldn’t do Banuelos…..
What evidence do you have to support this claim?
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Donnybrook bases this on the fact that Michael Pineda was born in the Dominican Republic: The language, culture, and being traded, make Pineda?s journey even tougher.
Schilling ripping Bobby V a new A-Hole made my day.
With a pitcher like pineda,who is under team control for years,and we can squeeze another year out of him,the right thing to to is develop him properly.
He can win in ny,but that simply is not enough,imo.
Coming in to camp a little overweight,and him needing more development is enough of a reason to send him down,but nova will have to be a better option,unless the yankees feel pineda is better off in the minors to develop properly,regardless of him pitching better than nova.
Pineda is better than hughes,and nova,and 2-3 years younger.
It might just be a case of the youngest pitcher getting sen’t down to be developed the right way while hughes,and nova are monitored.
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Cashman is stuck with Ibanez. Yankee Land is mad enough that Damon was Not brought back. NO WAY, Cashman pulls-the-plug on Ibanez.
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In an extremely SSS in AZ, (5 IP to be exact) he was great. In pretty extenuating circumstances (first exhibition start in Japan)… not so much.
It will be interesting to watch and he’ll have a great mentor (as Pineda did before him). A bit of a rough call for his first start though (talk about extenuating circumstance!) the Ballpark in Arlington matched up with Yu Darvish..
“Cashman is stuck with Ibanez.”
For 1 million….he’s doesn’t have to be stuck with him long if he doesn’t hit…..he’s been swinging the bat better but I would think Cash will be on the look out all winter for an upgrade there….
All summer I should say.
It’s NOT the $$$. Cashman went with Ibanez over Damon and heard about it from the Yankee Faithful. He has painted himself into a corner as the season opens. Far too early for him to admit Another bonehead move.
“It’s NOT the $$$. Cashman went with Ibanez over Damon and heard about it from the Yankee Faithful. ”
What if they signed Ibanez in part because he’d be easier to get rid of if he didn’t perform than Damon?
i don’t think brian cashman or anyone in the yankees’ front office gives a hoot what the “yankee faithful” thinks, about almost anything, but especially roster moves.
If you listen to the fans …..you’ll end up sitting with them.
I find it hard to believe a GM would sign a player because, “he’d be easier to get rid of”. Sounds like a line outta, “Major League”.
Read this article about the 2012 rotation. Interesting what they say about Pineda:
http://yankeesfansunite.com/20.....-rotation/