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Pregame notes: Final spring starters set

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have set their rotation for the final five games of spring training, and they seem to have left every regular-season rotation potential available.

Saturday: Adam Warren
Sunday: CC Sabathia
Monday: Hiroki Kuroda (Phil Hughes in relief)
Tuesday: Ivan Nova
Wednesday: Freddy Garcia (likely Michael Pineda in relief)

Joe Girardi said it’s a “possibility” that Pineda and Garcia will split Wednesday’s spring finale. Garcia said he’s definitely been told he’s starting that game.

At first glance, this rotation seems to indicate Hughes is the odd man out. He’s the only one who’s following turn wouldn’t fall naturally on his fifth day, but it wouldn’t be unusual for the Yankees to give all of their younger pitchers an extra day of rest heading into the season. If that’s the plan, Hughes lines up to start the third game of the season, followed by Nova and either Garcia or Pineda. If Hughes does end up in the bullpen, Nova could be the No. 3 followed by Garcia and Pineda. If Nova’s out, Hughes can be the No. 3. Garcia and Pineda are obviously interchangeable.

“Figure it out,” Girardi said, when asked what it meant that Hughes is pitching Monday instead of Saturday.

Girardi acknowledged that tonight is a big start for Pineda. I would have laughed at the idea a month ago, but it actually seems possible that the Yankees will start Pineda in the minor leagues (largely because Garcia has been so good this spring, not necessarily because Pineda has been so bad). Today, Girardi was once again over-the-top in his praising of Garcia’s minor league start this afternoon.

“If it’s good for the team, if I can help from the bullpen, I don’t have any problem,” Garcia said. “But I’ve always been a starter. … They don’t ask me (about the bullpen) yet, but I don’t really think about it. Right now, so far, I want to be a starter. I want to be in the rotation. If something happens, they change their minds, I don’t know.”

• Nick Swisher played five innings in the outfield at the minor league complex. His sore groin seems to have healed. “Didn’t feel it at all today,” Swisher said. “… I feel like I’m almost ready to take the chains off and just let it go.”

• Swisher’s not on the travel list for tomorrow, but he is going to Miami for the Sunday and Monday games. Girardi said he’ll have to check with Swisher, but he’d like to have Swisher take tomorrow off and play again Sunday. “The manager is my final hurdle,” he said.

• Dave Robertson pitched at the minor league complex today, going two innings in an attempt to build some arm strength. Girardi said he’s still fully expecting to have Robertson available on Opening Day. There are no plans of having him start the season retroactively on the DL.

• Andy Pettitte is throwing a simulated game tomorrow (he’ll face Ben Gamel and Dante Bichette, for those of you prospect followers). David Phelps, Ivan Nova, D.J. Mitchell and Brad Meyers are throwing sides tomorrow. Hughes and Kuroda are throwing sides today.

• Speaking of Meyers, the non-lefty Rule 5 pick said he still has no clue what the Yankees plan to do with him at the end of spring training. He’s been hurt most of the spring but pitched in a minor league game yesterday, and right now he’s scheduled to make the trip to Port St. Lucie on Tuesday. He seems healthy at this point, which makes a DL stint hard to justify, but it also seems all but impossible that the Yankees will actually keep him on the active roster.

• The plan is for the big league regulars to play both games in Miami.

• Tuesday will be an off day for all players not playing in that Port St. Lucie game against the Mets. That will be their final day of rest because the team is going to have a short workout at Tropicana Field on Thursday’s scheduled off day.

• Boxes are all over the place in the Yankees clubhouse right now. It’s officially time to start packing, the most obvious sign that spring training is coming to an end.

• Today’s available pitchers: Michael Pineda, Boone Logan, Cesar Cabral, Cory Wade, Clay Rapada, George Kontos, Ryan Pope, Chase Whitley and Preston Claiborne.

• Today’s second string: C Gustavo Molina, 1B Addison Maruszak, 2B Eduardo Nunez, SS Doug Bernier, 3B Bill Hall, LF Dewayne Wise, CF Chris Dickerson, RF Zoilo Almonte. The Yankees also have C Francisco Arcia and INF Kevin Russo coming up from the minor league complex to be available off the bench.

TRAVEL ROSTERS

• Saturday in Kissimmee
Pitchers: Cesar Cabral, George Kontos, Clay Rapada, Adam Warren
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Gustavo Molina
Infielders: Doug Bernier, Robinson Cano, Bill Hall, Eduardo Nunez, Mark Teixeira
Outfielders: Chris Dickerson, Curtis Granderson, Raul Ibanez, Justin Maxwell, Dewayne Wise
Minor leaguers: C Jeff Farnham, 1B/C Jose Gil, INF Walter Ibarra, 3B Dante Bichette, INF Anderson Feliz, OF Ben Gamel, OF Mason Williams, P Preston Claiborne, P Chase Whitley, P Rigoberto Aribato, P Cory Arbiso, P Sean Black, P Pedro Guerra

• Sunday and Monday in Miami
Pitchers: Cesar Cabral, Freddy Garcia, Phil Hughes, George Kontos, Hiroki Kuroda, Boone Logan, Ivan Nova, Michael Pineda, Clay Rapada, Mariano Rivera, Dave Robertson, CC Sabathia, Rafael Soriano, Cory Wade
Position players: All position players currently in big league camp are scheduled to make the trip
Minor leaguers: C J.R. Murphy, INF Ramiro Pena, OF Abe Almonte, P Brandon Pinder, P Mark Montgomery, P Juan Cedeno, P Pat Venditte

• Tuesday in Port St. Lucie
Pitchers: Cesar Cabral, George Kontos, Brad Meyers, D.J. Mitchell, Ivan Nova, David Phelps
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Gustavo Molina
Infielders: Doug Bernier, Eric Chavez, Bill Hall, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez
Outfielders: Chris Dickerson, Brett Gardner, Andruw Jones, Justin Maxwell, Nick Swisher, Dewayne Wise
Minor leaguers: C J.R. Murphy, 1B Kyle Roller, INF Ramiro Pena, INF Zach Wilson, INF Kelvin Castro, OF Abe Almonte, OF Ramon Flores, P Brandon Pinder, P Mark Montgomery, P Juan Cedeno, P Pat Venditte

Associated Press photos

 
 

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119 Responses to “Pregame notes: Final spring starters set”

  1. Shame Spencer March 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    So obviously Warren’s made the rotation ;)

  2. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Luis,

    I’m perfectly happy to continue our 1-1 exchange. My latest response is in the last thread if you care to read it (or not). But no sense clogging up a new thread with a previous discussion no one but you and I would be interested in (if even).

    Enjoy.

  3. Mike_Boston March 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Hey Luis,
    I read the other day on here that you’re a skier and if I remember you live in Venezuela. So I assume you travel south to Chile and Argentina. Any advice on where to go if you were going to go for a 7-10 day trip? I’ve been discussing a trip down there with some friends this summer for a ski trip and any advice from a ‘local’ would be great.

    This weekend is sadly going to be my last skiing of the season unless a late season storm hits northern Vermont, which can happen.
    THX!

  4. Chip March 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    I still think that part of the “Pineda treatment” might be a gambit by the Yankees to see how he responds to pressure.

    The simple fact is that playing for the Mariners he never really had anything on the line – they weren’t a good team, there were no “must win” games. That’s changing for him with the Yankees. Pitching for a rotation spot (or even a roster spot) might be the best chance the Yankees get to see what they’re going to get from Pineda when the chips are down in a big situation later in the year.

  5. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    GB….Now that The LA Dodgers are back in business……

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    The Dodgers could challenge for the West with a starter and a little bullpen help. Not sure what they could offer, though. adding pitching and subtracting an outfield bat does seem to be counter productive, though. haven’t looked at their farm.

  6. DaveD March 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    But putting on pressure on him in this fashion could be dangerous as well – if he overthrows intentionally just to impress the brass who are impatient with his velocity.

  7. Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Stuckey-Man……..Looking forward to the 2012 Yankee baseball season, glad you’re back ….

  8. blake March 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Sabathia, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, Garcia/Pineda

    Will the Yankees really decide the 5th starter based on radar gun readings from tonight? Kinda sounds like it.

  9. blake March 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Chip,

    There probably is something to that theory….

  10. mick March 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Throw Pineda to AAA, I don’t care…if he can’t handle it then he would have failed here anyway.
    Showcase Freddy, get Andy back, trade Freddy, make the worst of the 3 Pineda, Hughes, Nova the long man. Enough already…

    PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Chip March 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    DaveD March 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    But putting on pressure on him in this fashion could be dangerous as well – if he overthrows intentionally just to impress the brass who are impatient with his velocity.
    ————————–

    Well wouldn’t it be just as dangerous as him responding that way during the season?

  12. EA March 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Dave – He’s in a competition though – he has to pitch well from day 1. Hughes and Garcia did. Nova hasn’t, but he has a strong 2nd half and a playoff win to fall back on.

    When a guy who averaged 95+ last year has to overthrow just to get to 94, it is a problem and rightly has influenced his chances of making the team when his competitors are outperforming (and out “stuffing”) him.

  13. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    •Hall of Famer Dave Winfield told Morosi that he has thought about teaming up with others to bid for an MLB team. “There’s been interest on my part,” Winfield said. “I really don’t need to go into more detail at this point, but that is something I’ve considered.” It’s hard not to wonder if Winfield could look to purchase the Padres, one of his former teams.

  14. Shame Spencer March 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    “The simple fact is that playing for the Mariners he never really had anything on the line – they weren’t a good team, there were no “must win” games. ”

    Yep, now there are must win games in ST! Talk about a change of scenery…

  15. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Tampa Devil Rays have put Matt Bush on the restricted list. He’s cooked in Tampa and probably baseball.

  16. Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Is it possible they’ve said something privately to Pineda about what they hope to see tonight and what is or isn’t on the line?

  17. jacksquat March 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    jacksquat March 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    Screw it, I’ll just wait until they announce. All scenarios have good and bad aspects.

    However, sending Pineda down to AAA because of his velocity would be stupid.

  18. Shame Spencer March 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    EA March 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Dave – He’s in a competition though – he has to pitch well from day 1. Hughes and Garcia did. Nova hasn’t, but he has a strong 2nd half and a playoff win to fall back on.
    ———————————–

    Sounds like Nova’s ‘day 1′ wasn’t the same as Hughes, Garcia, or Pineda.

    If we’re going by second halves of last season Hughes should be the one starting in AAA.

  19. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    However, sending Pineda down to AAA because of his velocity would be stupid.

    Sending him to AAA because of his velocity but secretly being because of money is less stupid.

  20. Shame Spencer March 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I asked yesterday but no one answered – Who’s gonna get bumped from that stacked AAA rotation? ManBan?

  21. Shame Spencer March 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Sending him to AAA because of his velocity but secretly being because of money is less stupid.
    ——————-

    Self-Acknowledged Stupid Question: Is there like a time limit he has to stay down there?

  22. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Who’s gonna get bumped from that stacked AAA rotation? ManBan?

    No one, one of DJ mitchell/Phelps will be the long man. Duh!

  23. mick March 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    maybe girardi is just pacifying freddy for some reason being the sensitive mgr he is…i could never imagine billy martin doing it but hey….freddy to the pen…all others stay here.

    your 1st thought is usually the right one.

  24. Bret The Hitman March 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Nobody is getting bumped from the AAA rotation because Garcia is going to the pen.

  25. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Self-Acknowledged Stupid Question: Is there like a time limit he has to stay down there?

    Yes, 20 days. ~45-60 days if they want to avoid super-2 trouble.

    If you spend less than 20 days in the minors you get credit for a full year of service time. So the minimum is 20 days. There are ~185 service days available in the season, but a full year is only 172. So you have to stay atleast 2.5 weeks to ensure piling up less than a year. And you’re forced to do 20 days, so most teams do 25-30 days.

    Phil Hughes has ~2 months before he is unable to be optioned again.

  26. Ys Guy March 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    “Wednesday: Freddy Garcia (likely Michael Pineda in relief)”

    PREDICTION; freddy will not make that start, pineda will…

  27. Shame Spencer March 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Thanks Staticus – I really don’t think its a bad idea I just wonder if we aren’t going to make his inevitable arrival that much more of a ridiculous circus.

  28. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    The xbox mlb.tv app is amazing. Much better than the PS3 app or any of the set top box apps. Just FYI.

  29. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Pin-yata better produce. We gave up a ton to get this underachiever. May Jesus save us all by telling MLB to cancel the trade so the NYY get Montero into the fold.

  30. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Jesus will save Seattle. Will Pinyata serve 15 home runs in the first half of the season? Ummmmmm like yeah!

  31. EA March 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    “Pin-yata better produce. We gave up a ton to get this underachiever. May Jesus save us all by telling MLB to cancel the trade so the NYY get Montero into the fold.

    I wish. I like Pineda, but not at the cost of Jesus.

  32. Tar March 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    So what pitch is Phil throwing in that picture above? I first thought curve but than looked at his hand. It looks like a screwball. Phil has been screwing with us this whole time–who knew!!! :wink:

  33. Tar March 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Jerk

    How was your picture quality on the x-box. Mine wasn’t great. I am used to HD and it wasn’t quite up to that level. Everything else was cool.

  34. blake March 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    JF,

    What’s better about the xbox app?

  35. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Almost assuredly the curve. The straight on view of his arm makes it look like his right arm is stumpy and has like 4 deformed fingers growing out of it.

  36. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    What’s better about the xbox app?

    Picture quality is better than the PS3/roku. Navigation is better. Menu system is better. The DVR controls are way better. Has better archive.

    Tar,

    Mine is HD quality. Might be your internet connection or something. Looks great. I’ll still end up watching on my PC so I can disable nexdef and not have to deal with any delay, but for watching a 2nd game the xbox is looking verrry nice.

  37. blake March 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    JF,

    Thanks….may have to check it out

  38. G. Love March 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Jerkface – Thanks for the heads up. I just downloaded the app for my 360. I saw HBO Go is available on the 360 now too so I’m really happy. I just set that up. I’m sending back one of my Fios boxes next week since with Netflix, HBO Go and MLB TV I’m set on one of our TV’s.

  39. Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    G. Love, amigo, please do your best to post your first flush reaction when you hear how the rotation decision shakes out.

  40. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    If Phil is the odd man out and he’s being sent to the pen, then I have no idea what to say to that.

  41. G. Love March 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Nick,

    Come on. You already know I’ll be frothing at the mouth if Nova goes down or is sent to the pen. I love Nova and I’m also very excited about Kuroda.

    If Nova gets bumped for the “coaches son” I’ll take a flamethrower to this place Pacino Scent of Woman style.

  42. Tar March 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Thanks jerk. Does nexdef have to be enabled to get HD quality on the x-box? Or is nexdef just for pc and mobile devices.

  43. G. Love March 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Tar,

    I think getting HD on your 360 definitely depends on your internet connection and how you connect your 360 to the internet. If you have one of the older white 360′s with the little USB antenna attachment you may have problems getting HD wirelessly all the time. The newer 360′s apparently don’t have that problem with the built in wireless.

    I run an ethernet cable from my 360 to my router just to get the fastest connection since I’m often playing Halo with friends around the country. I always get HD quality through the wired route but when I switch to the wireless attachment it’s spotty but I usually can get HD unless someone else is using the wireless in the house.

  44. Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    I’m not rooting for Nova to be the odd man out, but I do enjoy a good rant.

  45. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    NexDef is mandatory on all the apps I’m pretty sure. Its why they are delayed. You can disable it on the PC interface to get the original ‘premium’ stream quality with no delay. nexdef gives you even better quality w/ DVR but delayed.

    I don’t actually need to watch a 1680×1050 baseball stream, so nexdef doesn’t provide any additional benefit for me. Its only useful on archive viewing due to the DVR controls (which are very good).

  46. BD (Boston Dave) March 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    “Picture quality is better than the PS3/roku. Navigation is better. Menu system is better. The DVR controls are way better. Has better archive.”

    ———–

    eh, AppleTV works well for me.

    but I’m sure they’re all decent.

  47. luis March 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Mike_Boston March 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
    Hey Luis,
    I read the other day on here that you’re a skier and if I remember you live in Venezuela. So I assume you travel south to Chile and Argentina. Any advice on where to go if you were going to go for a 7-10 day trip? I’ve been discussing a trip down there with some friends this summer for a ski trip and any advice from a ‘local’ would be great.

    This weekend is sadly going to be my last skiing of the season unless a late season storm hits northern Vermont, which can happen.
    THX!

    =================================

    Sorry Mike i didn´t answered before, i was clog with some work. Depending of your level of skiing….If you are an expert and want just to ski probably the best powder south and west of the Rio Grande is Las Leñas in Argentina, but there is nothing else to do down there.
    If you want to ski but also enjoy something else there is a tour in Chile that takes you to three or four places on the same trip….Valle Nevado is the best resort, then they take to Arpa which is only catskiing no lifts but great vyniards, then they take you to Portillo (They have Heli skiing there as well as Valle Nevado), the last place i honestly don´t remember. All level of skiers can do this, except probably Arpa.

    Finally, the most beautiful place is Bariloche in Argentina, but the skiing is so so but is a great experience nevertheless. And Buenos Aires is amazing.

    I hope this could help you out.

    Finally,

  48. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    It’s ridiculous that Girardi is putting the pressure on Pineda only as he’s the only one who had or has a big start coming up.

  49. Tar March 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    G.Love

    Thanks but I have my house wired with cat 6. Also it’s the newer black slim xbox or somethimg My Internet speed is ok Time Warner RR. I tried it for the first time last night. I did hit the info button and it said Hd on the screen, but it’s not like Hd I’m used to. I will keep playing with it.

  50. blake March 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    If Phil is the odd man out and he’s being sent to the pen, then I have no idea what to say to that.”

    Ill give it a word……stupid.

  51. Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Nick in SF……I’m still going with Garcia to the pen and until Pettite proves he can return to the bigs that’s where Freddy will stay until Cashman can find a new residence for him……Yanks will want to move Freddy’s contract to offset Pettite’s salary…..When one considers Garcia, Rivera & Soriano’s salaries, it’s more than the starting rotations financial commitment…….Also, paying Hughes 3 million to pitch out of the pen is even more absurd……..But I’ll join you on the sidelines and watch the fireworks display here in a few days……

  52. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Blake, that wouldn’t even begin to cover it. I don’t get why the secrecy and this move doesn’t make much sense. What’s up with Joe’s rude-sounding “figure it out”? Maybe he’s annoyed because Cashman forced Phil into the rotation? Either way, when they don’t answer questions, all they end up doing is creating an issue where one didn’t exist.

  53. Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Bets….Bottom line, it’s not in the end Giradi’s call….Just as the insane notion that he had anything to do with Montero’s departure or the calling up of Austin last September when the club needed a catcher………Humorous notion but that is wearing thin due to staleness

  54. CompassRosy March 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Chip March 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    “I still think that part of the “Pineda treatment” might be a gambit by the Yankees to see how he responds to pressure.

    The simple fact is that playing for the Mariners he never really had anything on the line – they weren’t a good team, there were no “must win” games. That’s changing for him with the Yankees. Pitching for a rotation spot (or even a roster spot) might be the best chance the Yankees get to see what they’re going to get from Pineda when the chips are down in a big situation later in the year.”

    ::::::

    The “pressure” issue seems to be brought up a lot.

    I’m sure different players perceive pressure differently. One could argue there are some fairly high pressure points to pitching in your rookie season with essentially ZERO offensive support as opposed to pitching with STRONG run support and a nearly “given” shot at the post season.

    FTR – In ELEVEN of Michael’s total of 19 ND + L he gave up THREE runs or less.

    If you ask me, THAT’s pressure.

    ;)

  55. Tar March 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    I downloaded nexdef but disable it when I’m watching on my Mac. I wonder if I have to turn it on to get the game in HD through my xbox? That would seem kind of strange. But I’m going to find out for sure tonight.

  56. EA March 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Just like there was no way that Girardi would have wanted to keep Burnett in the rotation last year or go with the 6-man rotation for 2 months (which CC was outspoken against anyway). That had Cashman written all over it.

  57. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    I don’t get why the secrecy and this move doesn’t make much sense. What’s up with Joe’s rude-sounding “figure it out”? Maybe he’s annoyed because Cashman forced Phil into the rotation? Either way, when they don’t answer questions, all they end up doing is creating an issue where one didn’t exist.

    _____________________________

    Fans have to get used to the idea that teams don’t care about “issues” on blogs.

    We don’t know what Pineda-Nova-Hughes-Garcia, or what the yankees know for that matter.

    Settling the issue for us to satisfy our curiosity is NOT on their to-do list, nor should it be.

  58. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    What’s up with Joe’s rude-sounding “figure it out”

    His ‘you figure it out’ has been characterized as playful and sly. Like he can’t announce something but he is telling you the hint is there. It wasn’t rude?

  59. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Pat M, definitely it’s not Joe’s call and I agree about Montero as well. Joe does not have this kind of power within the organization and he never will.

  60. Eroc March 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    With Andy coming back, whichever youngster that is sent to the minors/bullpen has even less of a chance of being a starter this year for us. As it is, they have to eliminate two of those guys eventually. So this competition will continue for the right to get displaced by Andy in a few weeks

    They really should have told Andy “thanks, but no thanks”. He didn’t commit to them in December before they made all the moves, he would have understood if there was no room after all the moves.

  61. Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    stuckey, the one-year anniversary is closing in, is payment on its way? Or will it be in time?

  62. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    Also, paying Hughes 3 million to pitch out of the pen is even more absurd

    Paying Garcia 4 million to pitch out of the pen isn’t?

  63. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Why is it assumed that Hughes’ start being moved means anything. Seems that it would set him up for the sunday or Monday game of the regular season. Of course, I was never much of a conspiracy nutcase anyway.

  64. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Jerkface, the way I’m reading it, it sounds rude, but then admittedly I wasn’t in front of him and that undoubtedly makes a difference. Either way, I don’t get why the games.

  65. Eroc March 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    “Also, paying Hughes 3 million to pitch out of the pen is even more absurd”

    Garcia makes more $$ than Hughes and is utterly useless on the 25 man if he is not a starter.

  66. Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Paying Soriano all that money to pitch out of the pen is kind of absurd too, come to think of it.

  67. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Nick,

    Yes.

  68. BD (Boston Dave) March 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    “Phil Hughes’ next start has been pushed back from Saturday to Monday.

    He is expected to split Monday’s game with Hiroki Kuroda. The change of plans means that Hughes is unofficially in the rotation and will likely start the third game of the season against the Rays on March 8.”

    -rw

  69. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Some of you should try reading the lines instead of the invisable lines you think you see. There really isn’t an assassin behind every bat rack.

  70. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    the way I’m reading it, it sounds rude

    Ok but you should have looked into the context. Erik Borland: Girardi smiled and said “figure it out” re: Hughes start being moved

    Its like… the exact opposite of rude.

  71. Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Face…..The point that I suspect I didn’t paint clearly enough was that by putting Hughes in the bullpen you are not only paying a rather sizable salary, but you’re sidetracking him again….It’s not happening…..The one point that I think you actually made, is the logic of sending Pineda or Nova down to AAA for a month…..But by doing that they are not putting their best 5 arms in the rotation…..That to me is Micro-Economics

  72. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    No matter which of the 4 ways this could possibly go, some fans are going to be indignant about how it worked out and be baffled how the Yankees could be so stupid to make such a decision.

    Ponder that for a minute. The Yankees won’t be able to be right. Someone is going to be in a huff no matter what.

    So.. does that say more about the Yankees, or does that say more about Yankee fans?

  73. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    But by doing that they are not putting their best 5 arms in the rotation…..That to me is Micro-Economics

    If you send Nova or Pineda down you might not be filling the rotation with the best stuff, but how is Garcia not in the running for one of the best pitchers? He had a 3.62 ERA last year. He was pretty dang good. I don’t think there is a rotation configuration that the yankees can run out that is anything other than slightly less efficient than an alternative in terms of service time/role.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    “FTR – In ELEVEN of Michael’s total of 19 ND + L he gave up THREE runs or less.

    If you ask me, THAT’s pressure.”

    Sis, I know he’s good to go. It just takes the skeptics a while to catch up. But they will – or be left behind.

    ;)

  75. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    What it says is there’s possibly only one team in baseball that aren’t envious of the Yankee problem of having 10 ready or near ready starting pitchers of quality.

  76. Nick in SF March 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    “So.. does that say more about the Yankees, or does that say more about Yankee fans?”

    Neither? Except maybe about the subset of fan that is already indignant about the choice and is just waiting for the name of the victim to be filled in.

  77. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    I don’t think there is a rotation configuration that the yankees can run out that is anything other than slightly less efficient than an alternative in terms of service time/role.

    _____________________

    Ding!

    Today’s controversy is how the Yankees utilize their wealth of GOOD options.

    When are people going to become self-aware enough to know we’re going to create controversy out of SOMETHING bot because it’s controversy but because we really, REALLY like controversy.

  78. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Jerkface, I plead guilty to skimming the thread and I must have missed that. Oops…….I don’t think Joe is reading this, but I’ll apologize anyway.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    “If you send Nova or Pineda down you might not be filling the rotation with the best stuff, but how is Garcia not in the running for one of the best pitchers? He had a 3.62 ERA last year. He was pretty dang good. I don’t think there is a rotation configuration that the yankees can run out that is anything other than slightly less efficient than an alternative in terms of service time/role.”

    jerkface, I agree with you, but you’re being pragmatic. While I believe that pragmatism makes for the best baseball, I’ve seen too many cases where other things took the day.

    I’ve decided to be prepared for anything and everything because I don’t have the same faith I did back when the Boss was running things. I seriously have no idea who’s running the show nor whether Cashman’s judgment has been at all impaired by what he’s been through with Ms. Nutcase. I’ve always loved the guy, so I am in no way suggesting any kind of jettisoning. Just saying that I’m really confused by all the smoke signals.

  80. blake March 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    So if Pineda touches 95 tonight does that mean he’s in……I mean what’s the cut off here? (Sarcasm)

  81. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Pineda has to average 95 to make the team. If he doesn’t he gets DFA’d.

  82. Tar March 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Whatever decision made is only temporary anyway. Even if Garcia is picked, he could be gone as soon as a suitable trade partner is found. This is a start of the year choice and should not be viewed as a season long rotation pick.

  83. blake March 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Freddy should watch out for hidden kitchen knives……wasn’t that how this controversy was decided last time?

  84. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    I’ve decided to be prepared for anything and everything because I don’t have the same faith I did back when the Boss was running things.

    ______________________________

    Trisha, how badly was your faith tested between the years 1982 and 1993?

  85. blake March 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    I predict Pineda will sit 93 tonight and touch 96….making the Yankee FO’s collective heads explode.

  86. Pat M. March 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Face…..Hughes, Pineda & Nova are a year older and that’s a real good thing……For Garcia, he too is a year older and that’s not a very good thing……Frankly I think his expiration date passed sometime last August, so it’s only a matter of when the mirage disappears

  87. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Where has the time gone? 20 years ago, the Cubs released a 29 year old left handed pitcher named jamie Moyer, the son-in-law of Notre Dame basketball head coach, Digger Phelps.

  88. stuckey March 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    So if Pineda touches 95 tonight does that mean he’s in……I mean what’s the cut off here? (Sarcasm)
    ___________________

    7 innings, each inning he doesn’t hit at least 96 once he has to come out the next inning minus one less article of clothing.

    And he has to do a shot.

  89. LockDown March 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    I hope Pineda pitches well tonight. Didn’t think this would be necessary for his last ST game. :shock:

    On a good note: Spartacus finale tonight. “Kill them, kill them all” :P

  90. Eroc March 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Shouldn’t Garcia get a chance to build off last year and prove it wasn’t a fluke? He has had a terrific spring, he took less money to sign here because he wanted to be here and liked it, now he’s going to be relegated to pitching 2 innings a week in mop up?

  91. blake March 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    “7 innings, each inning he doesn’t hit at least 96 once he has to come out the next inning minus one less article of clothing.”

    Motivation!

  92. mick March 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Pat M, definitely it’s not Joe’s call and I agree about Montero as well. Joe does not have this kind of power within the organization and he never will.
    ========================================
    Conspiracy theorists would disagree as Montero was not a catcher in the Girardi mold. Surely he had something to say about that.

    Guess they didn’t want to take the time to teach him…

  93. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Tar March 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    Whatever decision made is only temporary anyway. Even if Garcia is picked, he could be gone as soon as a suitable trade partner is found. This is a start of the year choice and should not be viewed as a season long rotation pick.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    They’re just going through ST. remember, this is a marathon and not a sprint. They get to do this again in about 45 days.

  94. Betsy March 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    I adore Freddy and I think he’s gotten a raw deal in a way; I would not have signed Andy, but whatever at this point. Even without him, there’s still an odd man out. The Yankees have to do what’s best for their future as a franchise and that means that the youngsters have to come to the forefront. I don’t think Freddy should be a long man; he’s too good for that and that would be unfair. I think the Yankees should try and trade him.

  95. DaveD March 30th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Pineda averaged 95 last year. He had special velocity.

    Now, he’s basically just Phil Hughes except with better secondary stuff – a good, solid pitcher, but nothing special or top of the rotation worthy.

    Sure, he might be able to get outs and be decent with his current stuff, but to be a special, filthy pitcher, he needs to show his stuff from last year.

  96. mick March 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Didn’t I hear Garcia’s velo was up this spring?
    That makes him a lock…

  97. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Garcia and Pineda’s velocity are merging into a singularity.

  98. 4 NYY March 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    In hope they keep all SP’s until Pettitte comes back and we see what he does.

    I don’t care who goes to pen and it doesn’t matter if they make 3 million, 4 million, or more.
    Money shouldn’t enter into it. ( I know it does though )

    It’s a team game and they need to understand that. Wade doesn’t appear to be much this spring. Garcia or whoever could do as well, I’m sure. When Andy shows what he’s got left, then they can make a decision. Phelps or D.J. could come up and pitch where needed. IMO

  99. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427

    Josh Romanski does not throw hard, but he was doing a nice job carving up the Pirates with offspeed stuff away.

  100. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Marc Carig ? @MarcCarig

    According to Girardi, Cervelli had never heard of my all-time favourite pitcher, Johnny Wholestaff

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Garcia can’t be traded until June 16th unless he agrees to a trade. He has said he’s willing to work out of the pen. He obviously doesn’t want to go anywhere. The Yankees would be wise IMO to utilize his skills while they have him in the best way possible, especially if his stay doesn’t appear to be permanent.

    By the time the June 16th deadline rolls around a lot more information will be available about the rest of the pitching, including Andy.

    But – that’s the pragmatist in me.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    “I hope they keep all SP’s until Pettitte comes back and we see what he does.”

    Optimal and intelligent.

    Here’s hoping.

  103. mick March 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Trish-you are right. Common sense says keep Freddy around as the swing man.

  104. 4 NYY March 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    =====================================

    Trish, how was Jim ? I mean gym ! Oops ! LOL

  105. mick March 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Could it be they are creating a simulated pressure game for Pineda tonight just as an experiment?

  106. Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Alex Gordon just got extended for 4 years + option. Womp womp.

  107. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Alex gordon signs a 4 year contract with a 5th year option.

  108. luis March 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Jerkface March 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Alex Gordon just got extended for 4 years + option. Womp womp.

    ==============================

    Everyone is locking up their young position players. Probably Gordon had a good ST that lead the KC Royals to believe that last year was for real.

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Going to the gym is good for working out Yankee frustration!

  110. luis March 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Take care Trish.

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    luis, I’m back! I went earlier.

    :)

  112. luis March 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    luis, I’m back! I went earlier.

    :)

    ————————-

    Oops!!, i thought i read a post about you going to the Gym….I and said to myself when i saw your latest post….Wow this girl loves to workout! i wonder what she eats that gives her so much energy! :)

  113. 4 NYY March 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    Going to the gym is good for working out Yankee frustration!

    ————————————————————————————–

    Did you leave ‘em lying on the floor ?

  114. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Josh Norris ? @jnorris427

    If nobody has tweeted it thus far, David Phelps’ daughter is named Adaline Rose Phelps,and she was a week old yesterday.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Since Erin has forgotten to check in with her gossip, thought I’d help out for the gossip starved masses.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    “Did you leave ‘em lying on the floor ?”

    :)

    Not quite that bad.

  116. luis March 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    In fact, i thought of the movie “There is something about Mary” , the part that the old lady and her dog take the pills Hilarious!

  117. 4 NYY March 30th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    luis March 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    luis, I’m back! I went earlier.

    ————————-

    Oops!!, i thought i read a post about you going to the Gym….I and said to myself when i saw your latest post….Wow this girl loves to workout! i wonder what she eats that gives her so much energy!

    —————————————————————–

    She does NOT cook ! Fast food for this gal. Healthy F F though.

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 30th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    “Wow this girl loves to workout! i wonder what she eats that gives her so much energy! :)

    :)

    Actually it’s the other way around. Going to the gym gives me more latitude in what I can eat!

  119. 4 NYY March 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Just havin’ fun Trish !

    Hey, game time !


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