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Saturday notes: Bichette’s big day with the big leaguers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 31, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When he looked into the stands, Joe Girardi saw his old friend Dante Bichette holding a video camera. When he looked onto the the field, Girardi saw Dante Bichette Jr. rounding the bases.

Could he imagine the feeling of ever watching his own son hit two home runs in a big league spring training game? Girardi leaned back and smiled.

“Hopefully I’ll get that chance,” he said.

This afternoon, Bichette Jr. came up from minor league camp to get a couple of at-bats against the Astros. First time he went to the plate, he swung at the first pitch and hit a wind-aided home run to right. Second time he went to the plate, he again swung at the first pitch, and hit a legitimate shot to center field.

“I was lucky to make contact with the first two swings, and they went pretty far,” Bichette Jr. said. “I’m happy with that. I was just trying to hit the ball, that’s all. … Family is the world to me, so my Mom and Dad here is everything. It’s a family effort, everything that’s happened so far, so having them here is perfect.”

Bichette Jr. grew up 20 minutes from this ballpark and played here in high school. Hard to imagine he ever had a day quite like this one, though. The wind got harsh as a line of bad weather moved through the area, and that helped the two teams combine for nine home runs. Bichette’s first was a product of that wind. The second one surely got some help, but he hit it pretty hard.

“It was pretty special,” Girardi said. “The second one, he really hit. Seeing his mom and dad, who we’ve been close to for a long time, his little brother; they played on this field a lot. They greew up in the area, so he’s been on this field. It’s pretty neat.”

Did Girardi say anything to Bichette Jr. in the dugout?

“I don’t know, honestly,” Bichette Jr. said. “I don’t remember any of them. It was kind of surreal.”

• If you missed it in the game post, the Yankees final diagnosis of Cesar Cabral is a stress fracture in his olecranon (essentially the tip of his elbow). Girardi said it’s the same injury Warner Madrigal had last spring, and an injury Jonathan Albaladejo had at one point. “It’s frustrating because he had a really good camp for us,” Girardi said. “I can’t tell you what was going to happen, but he had a good camp for us.”

• Francisco Cervelli was taken out of the game after being hit by a pitch in the forearm, but he’s fine. Girardi said there are no concerns about it.

• Certainly the conditions didn’t help, but Adam Warren conceded that he “just wasn’t sharp” this afternoon. He allowed six runs on 10 hits through 5.2 innings. He walked none and struck out three, but said his command was bad from the very beginning. He did feel better as the game progressed, he said. Four of those runs came in the second inning.

• Girardi on Warren: “I thought he threw the ball better than the numbers indicated. It’s a windy day, an extremely fast infield — not great conditions to be a pitcher here. I thought he threw the ball better than what it indicated.”

• The game was called in the middle of the ninth inning because of steady rain. Each team agreed there was no sense taking the risk of injury. “We just said, ‘If it starts raining any harder, we don’t want to get anyone hurt,’” Girardi explained. “It kind of stopped a little bit, they put down some Diamond Dry, and then it started raining hard again. So, that’s it.”

• Clay Rapada gave up a home run to a lefty today, but it was hit to right field, where the wind was carrying fly balls over the wall. Hard to think the Yankees make too much of that.

• Raul Ibanez now has three home runs in his past five games. He’s also raised his spring batting average more than 100 points in that time.

• Curtis Granderson went 3-for-3 to raise his spring average to .381. He’s looked really good at the plate from the very beginning of spring. … Bichette, Ibanez, Robinson Cano and Mark Teixeira each had two-hit games. … Jose Gil got a start and had another hit. A 1-for-4 day dropped his spring average to .455. … Doug Bernier also had another hit and is having a nice spring of his own. He’s hitting .344 and has played very good defense all over the infield, particularly at short. … Preston Claiborne got in the game and pitched the final two innings for the Yankees. He allowed two runs, one of them on a homer.

• After the game, the Yankees got back on the bus to go to Tampa. When they get back, the guy who are making the road trip to play the Marlins will join their teammates for a flight to Miami. Tomorrow is a day game followed by a night game on Monday. I’m going to hit the road myself. Long drive ahead of me.

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109 Responses to “Saturday notes: Bichette’s big day with the big leaguers”

  1. GoAwayKimJones March 31st, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Cabral being a Rule 5–is there a provision that precludes the Yankees from returning him back if injured?

  2. rm March 31st, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Why would they do that? I think they want Cbral to clear waivers so they can sign him an keep him in the minor leagues until they need him.

  3. rm March 31st, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    GoAwayKimJones,
    You may have missed this detail. From Cots Baseball contracts:
    Cesar Cabral lhp
    1 year/$0.48M (2012)
    1 year/$0.48M (2012)
    selected by Kansas City from Boston in Rule 5 draft 12/8/11
    acquired by NY Yankees in trade from Kansas City 12/8/11
    as player selected in Rule 5 draft for second consecutive year, Cabral may become a free agent if he clears waivers and need not be returned to Boston, his original club

  4. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Cabral will go on the 15 or 60 day DL, and after that extended ST and rehab assignment. That will be about half of the season at least.

  5. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Say it ain’t so. Competition for a job in the starting rotation?

    •Mets pitcher Mike Pelfrey was surprised to learn that his job was on the line during spring training, writes David Lennon of Newsday. The front office was kicking around the idea of releasing the 28-year-old before Opening Day to free up roughly $4MM, the non-guaranteed portion of his one-year, $5.7MM deal.

  6. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Greetings fro the LV airport.

    Checking back for news on Pineda and it looks like it was the best possible.

    Shut him down for a while and give him a cortisone shot.

    When the arm feels better send him to AAA to rehab and go from there.

    We’ve got it covered.

  7. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Everyone wants a “generational hitter”. How about a kid that starts of his career better than the last generational hitter that NY had?

  8. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    Greetings fro the LV airport.

    Checking back for news on Pineda and it looks like it was the best possible.

    Shut him down for a while and give him a cortisone shot.

    When the arm feels better send him to AAA to rehab and go from there.

    We’ve got it covered.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    LV? What happened? They finally run you out of your town?

  9. luis March 31st, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Greetings fro the LV airport.

    Checking back for news on Pineda and it looks like it was the best possible.

    Shut him down for a while and give him a cortisone shot.

    When the arm feels better send him to AAA to rehab and go from there.

    We’ve got it covered.

    ==========================

    Hi MTU!,

    I hope that your traveling has to do with pleasure. I love Las Vegas.

    I think Pineda’s tendinitis is the best case scenario. But after the shot down, a couple of months in EST wouldn’t hurt. He needs to get back his velocity slowly and he needs to work on the CU until it becomes a second nature. After that you take that to real games in the minors, probably 4 or 5 starts. At that point, you evaluate if he is ready to go up.

  10. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    GB-

    It isn’t gonna be that easy.

    I’m on my way back home.

    I guess the sky didn’t fall after all. Pineda should be fine.

  11. luis March 31st, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Everyone wants a “generational hitter”. How about a kid that starts of his career better than the last generational hitter that NY had?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    And that would be Jeter?…..I would say that it was Mantle.

  12. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Luis-

    It’s just a waypoint on my trip back home.

    I don’t live all that far. Coupla’ hundred miles.

    I agree on Pineda. Take your time with him. Get him healthy and go from there.

    The Ro and BP issues solved themselves for now.

  13. UnKnown March 31st, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    So is the Cabral thing that just happened last night. Or was he pitching with it and then it became worse while throwing hurt.

    Tough to imagine that all of a sudden while pitching in an inning, he breaks the tip of his elbow?

  14. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    If Sterling is still around when Bichette comes up (assuming he isn’t traded), he may get a lot of chances to say:

    That HR was “Al dente” Dante.

    (ugh..sorry)

  15. MG March 31st, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    I only watched Pineda for the 1st two innings last night and haven’t really looked at the blog since then but it was pretty clear he wasn’t throwing the ball well at all from the 1st pitch last night.

    There is a lot more to a pitcher ‘throwing well’ than just velocity, it’s the way the ball comes out of his hand, the life through the strike zone (you can tell that from watching the batter and the way he swings at it) and a variety of other factors including location.

    I don’t know how long Pineda has had a problem with his shoulder, it is not uncommon for pitchers to pitch through pain figuring that things will work themselves out. At the same time, he can’t help the Yankees if he’s not a power pitcher, you don’t change your approach at the major league level at age 23 just because you can’t throw overpowering fastballs any more.

    As an example, when Frank Tanana got hurt and lost his fastball it t’ ook him several years to reinvent himself as a ‘crafty lefthander’ and more recently Mike Mussina, who has a pitching IQ far higher than Pineda’s, suffered through a terrible season before making adjustments that made him a 20 game winner in his final season.

    For Pineda to help the Yankees longterm and live up to the potential that justified the Montero trade he needs to be a power pitcher so the Yankees have to allow him to work through the process of getting back to that.

    If it takes a month, that’s fine, if it takes the whole season that’s fine as well, they have no other choice. And no amount of fan handwringing is going to change those facts and nothing can be done to return Jesus Montero to his legion of LoHud fans.

  16. luis March 31st, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    UnKnown March 31st, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Apparently he threw the whole inning with the fracture. Must have been really painful for the kid. The things you do to keep a job…. :(

  17. MG March 31st, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    One more thing-Pineda needs to forget working on the change right now, it’s worthless to him if he can’t throw his best fastball.

    The change is a different grip, you can’t just work on it to the exclusion of all else, it isn’t called a ‘secondary’ pitch because he can throw it all the time.

  18. luis March 31st, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    If it takes a month, that’s fine, if it takes the whole season that’s fine as well, they have no other choice. And no amount of fan handwringing is going to change those facts and nothing can be done to return Jesus Montero to his legion of LoHud fans.

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    QFT As much as i hate to recognize it.

  19. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Joba was pitching needing TJ.

    how’s that for pain tolerance ?

  20. luis March 31st, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    MG March 31st, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    One more thing-Pineda needs to forget working on the change right now, it’s worthless to him if he can’t throw his best fastball.

    The change is a different grip, you can’t just work on it to the exclusion of all else, it isn’t called a ‘secondary’ pitch because he can throw it all the time.

    =====================

    Au contraire my dear MG….This is the perfect time to work on the CU, in the end is just another FB with another grip. You just have to make sure that the work is done slowly. Probably it will take three to four months. But he needs to learn to throw it in non presssure situations.

  21. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    The whole Pineda thing might just turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

    ;)

  22. Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Louisville + 8.5 is too inviting to pass up…….As was Kansas + 3….If I lose these games and I’m tapped out for College Hopps for the season

  23. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    MTU March 31st, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Joba was pitching needing TJ.

    how’s that for pain tolerance ?

    ===========================

    What about the trampoline accident??, he realized the ankle was broken in the air. Probably broke it and didn’t immediately felt a thing.

  24. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Luis-

    Does Joba have a brain ?

    Ya’ need a brain to interpret pain.

    :)

  25. Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    It will all work out great if the Yankees are cruising along when Pineda comes up in time to win 8 or 9 games before heading into October. :grin:

  26. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Pat M,

    Are you considering to have a surgery?

  27. MG March 31st, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    As for the change, it is one thing to throw 15-20 in a row in the bullpen, by the time you have thrown 10 in a row it’s pretty routine.

    It is quite another thing to throw the change in a game situation after throwing a couple of fastballs backed up by a slider and another fastball.

    Almost all major league pitchers can throw a good change in the bullpen, they may not trust it on the mound in a game situation.

    And the only way to gain confidence is to use it in a game situation when it might get hit hard. That’s the whole problem with developing young pitching, none of them come out of the minors as a finished product (except in very rare cases).

    Phil Hughes finally seems comfortable throwing the change in game situations this spring and it will make him a better pitcher but it’s taken a few years to get there, it’s all part of the growing process and Yankees fans, with their lofty expectations, have little or no tolerance of the growth process.

    And Luis, he needs to regain his velocity before working on the change, period. I think just about every pitching coach in baseball would say the same thing.

  28. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Dr. Jobe has said there is a chronicity to ulnar nerve injuries. That is, they usually develop over time with variable, incremental levels of discomfort, which pitchers adjust to throwing with over time. That’s why he has said that there isn’t a jump in velo after TJ surgery, as some have said. What you are seeing is a pitcher being able to air out his arm again, thereby regaining lost velo.

  29. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    MTU March 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Luis-

    Does Joba have a brain ?

    Ya’ need a brain to interpret pain.

    ++++++++++++

    :) Seriously now i love the kid, and i love his attitude as a parent. But he certainly has a pain threshold off the charts.

  30. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Let’s just not bring Pineda back before he’s ready.

    Period.

  31. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Best case scenario, five of their starters (with out without Pettitte) are pitching well, and Pineda is temporarily blocked.

  32. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    And Luis, he needs to regain his velocity before working on the change, period. I think just about every pitching coach in baseball would say the same thing.

    ==================================

    This is right MG, but this gives the golden opportunity to let the kid work on it out of the spot light. If it takes the whole season so be it.

  33. Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    If one or more of Nova/Hughes/Garcia falters, I could definitely see them bringing Pineda back before he’s ready, but yes, let us hope that doesn’t happen and there’s no need for them to even think about it.

  34. Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    “teixeiramark25 During Spring Training, I have @thejuicepressny send me a box of juice every week. Feeling great and ready for this season!”

    Keep Freddy away from the juice press until Pineda is hitting 95 with ease.

  35. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    If one or more of Nova/Hughes/Garcia falters, I could definitely see them bringing Pineda back before he’s ready, but yes, let us hope that doesn’t happen and there’s no need for them to even think about it.

    ============================

    I hope that if something like this happens, they bring some other pitcher ( Phelps or Warren ). The long term view has to prevail no matter what. The only way they should bring up pineda is because he is ready and sound

  36. MG March 31st, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Slightly off topic but relevant to the pitching velocity issue-how many of you saw the HBO segment about Steve Delabar, who never got above A ball and retired after major elbow surgery at age 27 (and who never threw above 89) to find himself almost accidentally throwing 94-95 while coaching a high school team after trying out a training technique developed by former Major league pitcher Tom House?

    Delabar was scouted, signed, and made it all the way to the majors in one season after this happened, I wonder how long it will take other pitchers and teams to give the training techniques a try?

  37. Lost March 31st, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    G.Love:(few posts back)

    Cashman screwed up here. He had Kuroda in the bag, Andy nibbling at the line, Noesi ready to step in and Yu there for the taking and he traded Piazza instead.

    I almost wonder if the Yankees attempt at gaming the system and resetting the luxury tax is going to be something that curses them going forward.

    That was a great post. I don’t get it either. I know for a fact, Montero was being offered for King Felix, Cash was trying to throw the farm at them and at one point it almost looked like it was going to happen. The Felix talks were going on for many months. How he ended up with the risky Pineda trade I do not know. I agree with you though, I don’t like it and I would not have done it.

    Mark my words, the Yankees as we know it are going down the tubes “operationally”. It’s not looking good from my perspective. Hal doesn’t even like baseball. All he cares about are the numbers. George didn’t mind paying for the luxury tax if he had the team he wanted on the field. For George it was baseball first, dollars second. It’s the other way around with Hal. Such a shame really, but I think if Hal keeps operating the way he is, he has the potential to destroy the legacy his dad built. I wouldn’t think it unrealistic that he ends up wanting to sell the team after his “spreadsheet experiment” fails. Hal’s even been heard mentioning “Money Ball” and saying that he wants to be “more like that”.

    Stupid trade by Cash.. there is no other truth than that !

    P.S. I’ve been a big Cash supporter (this puts a dent in that though).

  38. MTU March 31st, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Gotta run soon.

    Catch you all later from the Utah command bunker.

    ;)

  39. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    How he ended up with the risky Pineda trade I do not know. ”

    I believe it has been reported that Jack Z. asked Cashman if there was any other player(s) on Seattle’s roster that he would trade Montero for. Cashman said Pineda.

  40. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    MG,

    No i didn’t. Is that the same story of the movie of the pitcher from Texas that was a teacher there? Starring Dennis Quaid?.

    About your previous post as well….I think Hughes was rushed, got hurt and never regain his stride back. Nowadays is much better, but i don’t think is still there yet. If you don’t trust your body to hold up is very difficult to perform. But i agree he is going to be fine, he has learn a lot and i think he is poised to have a career year if all goes well.

  41. Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Luis……I’m not looking at anymore procedures right now as I’ve had double digit events over the years…….Surgeries at this point in time is always a last resort…….Nick in SF, your post didn’t get noticed…..By the way, would you have made the wager knowing today what you know ????

  42. MG March 31st, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    MG,

    No i didn’t. Is that the same story of the movie of the pitcher from Texas that was a teacher there? Starring Dennis Quaid?.
    ———————–
    no, it’s a new story from 2011, here is a link to an article that is very similar to the HBO segment: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/9.....rs-teacher

    In the HBO segment, Delabar says the training regimen was the reason for the velocity increase, his elbow was almost shattered and has multiple pins and plates in it. House is also in the segment and says that everyone who adopts this regimen, either professional or amateur, male or female, throws the ball with more velocity after awhile and is less likely to be injured.

  43. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    “All he cares about are the numbers. George didn’t mind paying for the luxury tax if he had the team he wanted on the field. For George it was baseball first, dollars second”

    This is unfair and misses a very important difference in the environment created by the CBA that existed in George’s time, and the one that Hal faces in 2014 as a result of the way Weiner got owned by Selig.

    So I suspect that even George wouldn’t just sneeze at the chance to keep another $50m by getting to $189m by 2014.

    Hal’s (and the other family members’) test will be subsequent to that when we see if they are willing to up payroll when the penalty isn’t as onerous.

    “I wouldn’t think it unrealistic that he ends up wanting to sell the team after his “spreadsheet experiment” fails.”

    I have also suggested this, but for another reason. I think the four siblings could have divergent interests over time, and the chance to pocket billions may be too tempting to resist.

  44. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    How he ended up with the risky Pineda trade I do not know. ”

    I believe it has been reported that Jack Z. asked Cashman if there was any other player(s) on Seattle’s roster that he would trade Montero for. Cashman said Pineda.

    ==================================

    Yes, it was something along those lines.

  45. Mike_Boston March 31st, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    MG March 31st, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Slightly off topic but relevant to the pitching velocity issue-how many of you saw the HBO segment about Steve Delabar, who never got above A ball and retired after major elbow surgery at age 27 (and who never threw above 89) to find himself almost accidentally throwing 94-95 while coaching a high school team after trying out a training technique developed by former Major league pitcher Tom House?
    ———————————————————-
    MG,
    I caught that and it was very interesting. If I remember the key exercise was not releasing the ball, same throwing motion, but you hold the ball all the way through. Makes sense that you would want to balance the stress on the arm instead of only releasing.

  46. Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Luis……By the way, Tin Cup was dead against Hughes being brought up in April 07…….Yanks ran out of arms and were falling behind Boston…….For the record, I thought Phil was ready for the show…..

  47. Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Rich in NJ…..Do you know what the Yanks house payments are ????

  48. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    luis

    I suspect that Jack Z. knew that Cashman would say Pineda, and may have always intended to steer the conversation from Felix to Pineda in order to extract Montero.

    Just a guess though.

  49. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Pat

    They don’t pay cash up front????

  50. Rich in NJ March 31st, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Dinner. Later.

  51. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    I have also suggested this, but for another reason. I think the four siblings could have divergent interests over time, and the chance to pocket billions may be too tempting to resist.

    ——————————

    So has Pat M suggested it many times. Yes, this theory makes a lot of sense. The only way that this doesn’t eventually happens is that one of the siblings buys the other three. Unlikely that anyone of them individually can get the amount needed to do that.

    If the Dodgers were sold for two billion, The Yankees could bring five. that’s too much money.

  52. Nilsson March 31st, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Lin is getting surgery on his knee. Crap.

  53. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    Luis……By the way, Tin Cup was dead against Hughes being brought up in April 07…….Yanks ran out of arms and were falling behind Boston…….For the record, I thought Phil was ready for the show…..

    *********

    Gene Michael admitted Hughes should have been brought up in ’06. . . .

  54. Jerkface March 31st, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    I hope Pineda’s shoulder issue turns out better than Joba’s shoulder issue, or else we’re going to have a really great 7th inning guy in a year or two because thats where his stuff will play up.

  55. Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “Nick in SF, your post didn’t get noticed…..By the way, would you have made the wager knowing today what you know ????”

    Which post didn’t get noticed? Juice press/Freddy joke or another one?

    I would probably still make the wager knowing what we now know, since we don’t yet know what kind of timetable Pineda will be on, how he will respond to treatment, how long it will take for his velocity to come back… and meanwhile Andy might end up claiming a spot in the rotation before Pineda is ready.

    I’m not pessimistic about it, but I have a wager with Patrick in which I take Pineda getting over 5.5 wins and Patrick takes the under. When you set the number at 9.5 and wanted to take the over, that left me with a nice hedge and a very wide middle in which I can win both wagers. If I lose one, however, I sincerely hope it’s to you.

  56. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    how good could RA Dickey be if had been born with a UCL?

  57. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Luis……By the way, Tin Cup was dead against Hughes being brought up in April 07…….Yanks ran out of arms and were falling behind Boston…….For the record, I thought Phil was ready for the show…..

    ==================================

    To be honest, i thought he was rushed in hindsight….I was thrilled when he made he debut with the big club, i was in the he is ready camp at that moment as well. It is very easy to judge things after they happened. That’s why i want the Yankees to take as long as needed with Pineda and the B’s. Including to make sure that they have their innings jumps controlled. And bring them up when they are capable of giving you 200 ip.

  58. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Nilsson March 31st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
    Lin is getting surgery on his knee. Crap.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Blame Cashman

  59. GreenBeret7 March 31st, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    In 2007, there were very few option to go to for NY. All they had was Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy. They had tried everyone else and they all failed.

  60. Pat M. March 31st, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Nick in SF……I didn’t think Pineda was injured, hurt maybe but not something that was going to keep him out for any length of time….However, knowing you as well as I do over the years, I knew you were looking for some LoHud action and you certainly parlayed that 9.5 over /under……..Right now I’m sweating The Louisville /Kentucky game……College winnings were on the low side this season……..Rich in NJ, when will the Yanks start making payments on the new stadium ????

  61. luis March 31st, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Pat M,

    Also about Tin Cup….He certainly knows his stuff, every time you two guys talk, i usually listen.

    I may not agree sometimes with the way he treats some other posters. But i think he is an important part of the blog. And i love the jokes between him and GB7 about who saw the dinosaurs roam the Earth! :) I like him.

  62. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    MG,

    Thanks for the link, very interesting. I don’t know, but clubs should start listening to this kind of people soon. It’s in their own interest to keep healthy their investments ( Pitchers )

  63. Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Pat M, we really don’t know how long this thing will keep Pineda out of the rotation. There are so many factors, anything right now is a guess, though some guesses can be more educated than others. So I don’t feel confident at all in the under 9.5 side of the bet at the moment, and it will be great news for the Yanks if I come out the loser on this one.

  64. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Once you release the idea that pitching is an exact science and that there is a way to keep pitchers healthy, you will become less emotional and upset when a pitching injury occurs or a pitching prospect does not develop as hoped – like a Joba, etc. The pitching motion is unnatural to the human bodies – just as it is unnatural for the bodies of defensive and offensive linemen crashing into each other on every play – the knees take a pounding. There is no fool proof plan – and plenty of organizations have countless tales of pitching not developing as expected – this notion that it is the Yankees who only foul up does not hold merit.

  65. Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    this notion that it is the Yankees who only foul up does not hold merit

    —————-

    They aren’t the only ones that foul up but we’re still waiting for them to produce at least one guy

  66. mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    J. Lin out 6 weeks – knee surgery…dang.

  67. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Nick in SF March 31st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Pat M, we really don’t know how long this thing will keep Pineda out of the rotation. There are so many factors, anything right now is a guess, though some guesses can be more educated than others. So I don’t feel confident at all in the under 9.5 side of the bet at the moment, and it will be great news for the Yanks if I come out the loser on this one.

    ================================

    As long as he is ready and sound, i don’t mind that you lose it ;) But if he has to stay the whole season down, i don’t mind either.

  68. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:08 pm
    this notion that it is the Yankees who only foul up does not hold merit

    —————-

    They aren’t the only ones that foul up but we’re still waiting for them to produce at least one guy

    ********

    I guess it depends on what the definition of produce is – I get that people will want more than one season from Nova and Hughes – but they are in the rotation, and David Robertson is a bright spot. Add in a possible long reliever such as a Mitchell – that 1/3 of the pitching staff homegrown at this moment – and this excludes Mo. Nova won 17 games last year – the 17th coming in the ALDS – Hughes 19 the year before – the 19th coming in the ALDS – though his 18th was I believe a relief win – but hey even one of Andy Pettitte’s 21 wins in 1996 was a relief win. The SF Giants are enjoying a renaissance b/c of their pitching – but it was not long ago that Jesse Foppert and Jerome Williams were supposed to be their Lincencum and Cain – or even Seattle where Ryan Anderson was supposed to be the heir to Randy Johnson – but it turned out to be King Felix. Even take a look at the poor cubbies – to go from the cusp of WS in 2003 with a one two of Wood and Prior – to where they are now – pitching is difficult b/c – unlike hitting – the body was not designed to do it naturally.

  69. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
    J. Lin out 6 weeks – knee surgery…dang.

    *******

    Yeah – sad news – but at least Iman Shumpert has been developing the jump shot more lately. Should put the beat down on the Cavs tonight.

  70. mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Toney Douglas to the rescue? omg

  71. mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    playoffs in jeopardy.

  72. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The yankees have to get under the 189 in 2014,and would be insane not too.

    The penalties a much greater now,and loss of draft picks.
    Also,the yankees will spend like nuts for the 2016 season,in wich it is cc’s last year,tex last year,arods last year,the year after,in 2017.
    You have to be under for 2 consec years,so for the yankees,it will be 2014,and 2015.

    They are setting themselves up perfectly to wipe the slate clean with contracts.

    The only mistake was arods contract was 2 years too long,but they will be ok,as he is down too 21 million in 2015,20 million in 2016,20 million in 2017.

  73. mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    baron davis. mike bibby? ouch.

  74. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    All of this while still competing,with a great farm system,loaded with catching,and pitching,regardless of what happens with pineda.

  75. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
    baron davis. mike bibby? ouch.

    *********

    While it is bad – they appear to be running the offense more through Melo in the post now – who kicks out – mostly to Shumpert lately. PG was crucial to the D’Antoni system. But still – it hurts. . . .

  76. Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    You made some good points but it doesn’t change the fact that when it comes to developing pitchers they haven’t been efficient enough.

  77. mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    they certainly will have to step up the defense even more…shumpert is key.
    officially melo’s team now.

  78. Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Sucks to hear the news about Lin

  79. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    You made some good points but it doesn’t change the fact that when it comes to developing pitchers they haven’t been efficient enough.

    *********

    True – a lot will depend on what we get from Hughes and Nova taking the next step and trying to repeat their brief past success – and the introduction of the next group of Banuelos, Betances, Warren, Phelps, etc.

  80. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    They just started learning how to develop any player,and we are only still on the first batch.

    Also,ian kennedy should have been kept,and he is one of ours.
    We still have nova,hughes,robertson,banuelos,betances,campos,etc…..

    The list never ends.

    Also gary sanchez is going to be a monster,and i love mason williams.

    Sanchez,and williams will be the anchors of the new yankees,with a plethora of pitching,and a clean payroll slate.

  81. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    mick March 31st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    they certainly will have to step up the defense even more…shumpert is key.
    officially melo’s team now.

    *******

    It has only been a few games lately – but the offense from Shumpert and the jumper have been very encouraging. It is so important that he develop b/c the Knicks do not have a 1st round pick this year in a load drafted.

  82. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Stoneburner,

    You made very good points. I think they are still learning how to do it. To develop and minimize injuries. It is an inexact science. But the farm is filled with good Pitching prospects…I am willing to bet that out of those prospects two make the bigs.

    Odds,

    My only complaint would be that they have to trust what they have more. If you don’t give them the chance with a relative long leash, they wont develop no matter how good they can be.

  83. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Banuelos,betances,pineda,campos,nova,hughes,gary sanchez,mason williams,and many more,is something to be excited about.

    Going over the lt is going to be more painfull than a 40% penalty,so a 20 million a year contract will end up being like 35 million.
    It’s like a 75% hit,or more,in addition to other penalties.

    Simply insane not to be under,even for the yankees.

  84. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    Stoneburner,

    You made very good points. I think they are still learning how to do it. To develop and minimize injuries. It is an inexact science. But the farm is filled with good Pitching prospects…I am willing to bet that out of those prospects two make the bigs.

    Odds,

    My only complaint would be that they have to trust what they have more. If you don’t give them the chance with a relative long leash, they wont develop no matter how good they can be.

    *******

    Completely agree – hate to use the old expression – but break a lot of eggs to make an omelette – that is why they stockpile – b/c I do not care how much talent a kid coming up has – there is no guarantee even the best of the best are going to make – back in the late 90s – I could have sworn Rick Ankiel was going to take it to the next level – and he did before another type of injury took over in his mind. That is why – as good as Matt Moore looks – and boy does he look good – I just never know. But you are absolutely right – the law of averages should hopefully tilt in the Yanks favor and at least some of the stock pile pans out. I like what they have already done with the bullpen – they really no longer have to overpay for those Karsays and what nots anymore and rather can go cheap or from the farm (Soriano not included b/c that is totally a Levine overreaction to the RS 2010 offseason moves). I think we might be seeing that with the rotation. You have CC as the center piece of the rotation and highly paid – just like Mo is the center piece of the pen and highly paid (and rightfully so!!!). Then the Yanks can try this year to hope to have repeat success with Nova and Hughes as cheap rotation options – just as DRob and Joba (when healthy) or even Mitchell as a long man help fill in key support roles. Then you fill out the rotation with one year type deal veterans like Andy and/or Garcia – as they do with the pen with Wade (more a pickup than seasoned veteran). The idea is that you have one big piece investment money wise – than a bunch of cheaper, effective other cogs. This will not only keep costs down going towards 2014 and 2015 – but just might be able to allow them to also supplement and divert resources to the aging offense and improve on that front going forward. Just my thoughts. . . . Knicks games starting. . . .

  85. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
    Banuelos,betances,pineda,campos,nova,hughes,gary sanchez,mason williams,and many more,is something to be excited about.

    Going over the lt is going to be more painfull than a 40% penalty,so a 20 million a year contract will end up being like 35 million.
    It’s like a 75% hit,or more,in addition to other penalties.

    Simply insane not to be under,even for the yankees.

    ******

    Yeah – they are starting to stockpile the offensive players at the lower levels – but it will take a while for that group to make their mlb debut – and the great equalizers of AA/AAA will separate the men from the boys. But it is a fun group to follow and see who makes it, who gets traded, and unfortunately – there will be those that will not pay out.

  86. Bronx Jeers March 31st, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    hate to use the old expression – but break a lot of eggs to make an omelette – that is why they stockpile….

    —————————————————————————————-

    :lol:

    Boy the way Glenn Miller played……

  87. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Matt moore is going to be a beast,this year.

    I think he wins the cy,within 3 years,maybe 2,and maybe in the running,this year.

  88. Betsy March 31st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    So how bad an injury is that for Cabral? Season ending I take it?

  89. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Raul I-bomb-nez.

  90. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Very good post, i completely agree with it. I just hope that in order to shore up the eventual decline of some players on the offense we might be able to keep certain prospects like the B’s, Sanchez, Santana, Bichette, Williams, Murphy, Heathcott. but i know that to get value you have to give value as well.

  91. yankeefeminista March 31st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    John Manuel @johnmanuelba

    Charleston roster also includes 1B Tyler Austin, 2B Angelo Gumbs, OF Ben Gamel, RHPs Jose Campos, Bryan Mitchell, Caleb Cotham #mustseeteam
    30m John Manuel John Manuel ? @johnmanuelba

    #Yankees low A Charleston affiliate releases roster; includes Gary Sanchez, OF Mason Williams, Dante Bichette Jr., Cito Culver #loaded

  92. Jerkface March 31st, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Sanchez repeating Low A? Can’t be down there for long.

  93. m March 31st, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Stories like Bichette’s is one of the great things about baseball.

    He seems so advanced for his age and level. He’ll fast track IMO.

  94. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Hi Yankeefem,

    That roster is loaded….I thought that Sanchez might be in Tampa….Did you see Bichette’s homers?

  95. Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:21 pm You made some good points but it doesn’t change the fact that when it comes to developing pitchers they haven’t been efficient enough.

    *********

    True – a lot will depend on what we get from Hughes and Nova taking the next step and trying to repeat their brief past success – and the introduction of the next group of Banuelos, Betances, Warren, Phelps, etc

    ——–

    Very well said Hughes and Nova can do wonders this season if they take steps forward

  96. ron March 31st, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Via Marc Carig, Brian Cashman said Pineda will be shut down for 10-15 days. That’s pretty much the only thing they can do. Cashman also said the MRI revealed no structural damage; Pineda’s labrum and rotator cuff are fine.

  97. yankeefeminista March 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Hi, Luis!! Nope, I haven’t seen the HRs yet; I worked all day. I’m just catching up. Link?

  98. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    m March 31st, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Stories like Bichette’s is one of the great things about baseball.

    He seems so advanced for his age and level. He’ll fast track IMO.

    =============================

    Can you imagine a former MLB ballplayer to watch his son hit two out of the park in his first Big league game in ST?

    I wouldn’t be able to conceal my pride!

  99. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Give me a second and i will find it out for you

  100. yankeefeminista March 31st, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    JR’s in Tampa, probably are separating the two for the time being. Love to see us get one of them at Trenton, likely it’ll be JR when Sanchez moves up. Shouldn’t take too long for Sanchez to get to Tampa if he keeps progressing.

  101. Stoneburner March 31st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    Stoneburner,

    Very good post, i completely agree with it. I just hope that in order to shore up the eventual decline of some players on the offense we might be able to keep certain prospects like the B’s, Sanchez, Santana, Bichette, Williams, Murphy, Heathcott. but i know that to get value you have to give value as well.

    ************

    Exactly – it would be nice to have 1-25 homegrown – but then again I remind myself that at one time I was set for an AJax, Gardner, Tabata outfield. . . .I never know how it is going to pan out – but along for the ride. . . . .

  102. luis March 31st, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    I could’t find it. but here is his post game interview….He said: I got lucky….LOL he is very easy to root for

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ichette-jr

  103. Against All Odds March 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Odds,

    My only complaint would be that they have to trust what they have more. If you don’t give them the chance with a relative long leash, they wont develop no matter how good they can be.

    ————–

    Exactly they have to give these kids a little more rope. Once they start to struggle you can already feel the hand wringing and head shakes.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    yankeefeminista March 31st, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    JR’s in Tampa, probably are separating the two for the time being. Love to see us get one of them at Trenton, likely it’ll be JR when Sanchez moves up. Shouldn’t take too long for Sanchez to get to Tampa if he keeps progressing.
    ///

    Not much to be excited about in Trenton this year, after being spoiled by over a year of the B’s. Brett Marshall and the Amontes interest me most, right now.

    We very well may get Mr. Pineda, though, for a spell. That would be fascinating, to sit right behind the plate for that one. :D .

  105. luis March 31st, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Yankeefem,

    Seems that your boy Mitchell is going to make the roster.

  106. yankeefeminista March 31st, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    luis, yes, Mitchell is very deserving. Thanks for the link. I saw Bichette’s parents’ tweets. They must be thrilled. :)

  107. yankeefeminista March 31st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Pruf, that’d be nice. We’ve had Pettitte, Jeter, Hughes the last couple of years. It beats what we have in Trenton right now. I will be most interested in Marshall, Zoilo. Hopefully, we get JR mid-season. But SWB @LHV and SI will be more my speed this year because of the personnel.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 31st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    “Cashman screwed up here. He had Kuroda in the bag, Andy nibbling at the line, Noesi ready to step in and Yu there for the taking and he traded Piazza instead.”

    I continue to be amazed by the seeming lack of understanding witnessed by this line of thinking.

    1. Cashman did NOT have Pettitte nibbling. He had no idea that Andy continued to work out. Cashman asked Andy for an answer in December. Andy said he wasn’t ready to commit. That’s when Cashman went out and made his trades. Cashman then told Pettitte to close it down. He had no idea that Pettitte was still working out. In Cashman’s mind Pettitte was off the radar.

    2. The Yankees apparently weren’t willing to spend the farm (so to speak) on Darvish. Perhaps they felt they had been burned before and saw that the Sux were also burned and they weren’t willing to commit that kind of money.

    3. The Yankees also apparently weren’t committed to Montero. Whether fans think they should have been has no relevance to reality. They weren’t committing to him as their catcher and they weren’t tying up their DH position. That was an organizational decision.

    That fans think Cashman screwed up doesn’t mean that Cashman screwed up. You can talk about it until you are blue in the face, but if they had decided that Montero was a trade chip, no amount of scenarios fans can dream up will change that.

    I’ll take the position that Cashman did not screw up at all. Their organizational structure was not going to include a permanent DH (for obvious reasons) nor a catcher who was weak on defense when they had a stronger defensive catcher in the wings. (Romine). Those are the realities.

    It’s not our money, it’s their money. And if they made choices not to lay out a small fortune bidding on Darvish so that they could keep their payroll to an amount they decided on, that’s certainly their right.

    It doesn’t mean fans have to like it. But they don’t exist to cater to the whims of their fans when those whims don’t fit into what they envision as their structure.

    Again, it appears tht Montero was NOT in their long-term plans. Pineda is the name that ended up being on the end of them carrying out their plans.

  109. mick March 31st, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Congrats to Pat M for that 1/2 point.


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