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The only decision that’s left (for now)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There’s nothing left to prove in Yankees camp. All that’s left is to stay healthy and make one last decision.

And it’s a decision that might not last long.

When Andy Pettitte is ready for the big leagues — or Michael Pineda for that matter – the Yankees Opening Day long man might be the easy choice to remove from the roster and send down to Triple-A. This job might be a temporary, one-month assignment, but it’s a job. And it’s a big league job, so it matters.

Joe Girardi has made it clear that the choice is between Adam Warren, David Phelps and D.J. Mitchell, three guys who – until a few days ago – never seemed to have a real chance of making this roster.

“We always looked at it as a possibility they were in competition for that spot,” Girardi said. “That’s how we viewed it, and that’s why we made a real focus to build them up because when we talked about this rotation thing, we talked about that there were a couple of options. Someone could go into the bullpen, or someone could go down (to Triple-A). If someone had gone down, then the long-man spot would have been open. So we’ve always kind of looked at that as those three guys competing. Maybe we didn’t make it quite so evident to everyone else and to them, but they’ve all done a pretty good job.”

Warren struggled in Kissimmee on Saturday, and as the only option who’s not currently on the 40-man, he was probably the long shot of the bunch. That leaves Phelps and Mitchell, each of whom has looked pretty sharp this spring. Their numbers are actually pretty similar.

Phelps: 16 IP, 4 BB, 12 K, 2.25 ERA, .238 OBA
Mitchell: 14.1 IP, 8 BB, 12 K, 2.51 ERA, .200 OBA

Girardi said he doesn’t need to see any more from either of them. All that’s left is to have a discussion and a make a decision.

“Larry’s done a really good job of getting them built up,” Girardi said. “We kept them in camp a long time, and it was important they were built up for the (Triple-A) season, and they are. But they’re built up to be a long man as well.”

Associated Press photo of Pettitte, with Mitchell and Phelps in the background

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335 Responses to “The only decision that’s left (for now)”

  1. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Blake-

    I think your pitching projections are right, however it will be another 2 months probably to see how things shake out for the Yankees.

    Sabathia, except for last year, often has had slow starts.
    Kuroda pitching now in AL East
    Hughes has to prove himself all over again and give them length in the games he pitches
    Nova has had a bad spring in terms of ERA and needs to find his location again
    Garcia-not expecting the same success as 2011, but he’s #5 and likely won’t see much action once Pettitte returns.

    I’m actually more concerned about the bullpen.
    Wade has been very hittable
    Logan is Logan
    Robertson will be hard pressed to repeat last years ERA/success
    Soriano-not impressed with his repertoire and 90-92mph fastball, to step in and close games if needed.
    Mitchell is untested, if he wins the long man spot
    Rapada-strict LOOGY. In close games the opposing manager can just pinch-hit a righty and negate his usefulness.
    Chamberlain-he would have been a major addition midseason, but now not certain he’ll have the leg strength this year to be effective.

    Thoughts??

  2. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Trader,

    One of Girardi’s strengths as a manager is figuring out bullpens and even if those questions you pose become issues Id expect Joe to figure it out with all the options they have both at the big league and minor league level…
    .

  3. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    “We always looked at it as a possibility they were in competition for that spot,” Girardi said. “That’s how we viewed it, and that’s why we made a real focus to build them up because when we talked about this rotation thing, we talked about that there were a couple of options. Someone could go into the bullpen, or someone could go down (to Triple-A).
    ———————————————–
    Even if Pineda had not been injured and placed on DL, he was going to start in the minors, because he was not ready to showcase in the majors as a starting pitcher for the NYY.

  4. Triple Short of a Cycle April 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Even if Pineda had not been injured and placed on DL, he was going to start in the minors, because he was not ready to showcase in the majors as a starting pitcher for the NYY.

    ———————————————————————————-

    and you know this how?

  5. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Triple-

    A little birdie told me! :)

  6. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Even without the shoulder inflammation I was starting to think it would be best to get Pineda right at AAA first as well…..you wouldn’t want to expose him to the NY media without all his weapons……and also the Yanks want to win games too so the best thing with the depth they have is to get him right….take your time doing it and have him ready to contribute when he’s ready….m..this git could be a real difference maker in a short playoff series so the main goal needs to be getting him 100% and dominant by that time.

  7. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    My choice for long man is Mitchell just because his stuff plays up so well out of the pen.

    He has that heavy sinker which induces tons of GB’s and the rest of 2nd’ary stuff is pretty nasty too.

    I do like Phelps command though. Throws a ton of strikes. You want that from a reliever.

  8. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    By the way, I love that photo of Pettitte above.

    He looks bad to the bone.

    ;)

  9. Shame Spencer April 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I’m actually grossed out right now at the thought of keeping any of either Phelps, Warren or Mitchell in our bullpen all season so they can tally that incredibly useful total of 54 innings ala Hector Noesi.

    F*ck.

    Seriously.

    Just… f*ck.

  10. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    MTU,

    Agreed…..Mitchell might ne the type guy you could bring in with runners on maybe may e he gets you that double play ball to get out of the inning etc…..

  11. jacksquat April 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I guess Mitchell. I think I’d rather have Phelps remain starting.

  12. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Cory Wade should be put on a short leash.

    He has options left.

    With all the depth the Yankees have it should be a fairly easy matter to replace him.

  13. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Blake and MTU-

    One team that improved their bullpen was the Blue Jays, trading for Sergio Santos[a steal] and adding Francisco Cordero and Darren Oliver.

  14. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    Mitchell has a lot weapons. He’s not a straight power pitcher.

    His CU is nasty too.

    He’s might just be a better version of Cory Wade.

    Just needs to throw strikes.

  15. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    YT-

    The Yankees are gonna have the best pen in baseball.

    ;)

  16. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    MTU-
    Who would replace Cory Wade if he gets sent down now?
    Kontos
    Whelan
    Bulger
    Delcarmen
    Someone else?

    I wonder what the Yankees might do with Maxwell
    ?

  17. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Trader,

    The Jays are close….folks have been saying that for awhile now but they are getting really close to being pretty darn good.

    MTU,

    I agree on Wade….I wouldn’t judge him by the spring totally but they have other optional is he’s not getting it done……relievers are fickle……that’s why they are relievers in the first place……they can be great one year and terrible the next by definition…..so its something you have to watch for and not let it cost you ballgames…..

  18. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    “MTU-Who would replace Cory Wade if he gets sent down now?”

    They will give him time after the season starts because he was so good last year…..but if he’s not pitching well and Mitchell for example is …..then maybe its a s simple as Wade goes down when Pineda or Pettite is ready instead.

  19. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    YT-

    Kontos is a possibility. As is Whelan. They could use Phelps too and just keep Warren stretched out.

    I’m afraid Maxwell is gone. I’d try to get something for him.

    The additions of Mitchell and Rapada should improve an already potent BP.

  20. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “The Long Man” is what used to be called “The Mop Up Man”. Inconsequential to everybody but the guy that gets that gig. NOT even worthy of thought. For ALL intents and purposes, ST is over. Friday can not get here fast enough.

  21. charlestonchew April 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I think that the Yankees are in perfect position starting the season. Pineda had something fishy going on that manifested itself in a very manageable condition– and thank God. It’s much like when Freddy cut his finger last year– it allowed us the chance to go back to a 5 man rotation and have a sense of stability for a while. I expect that this will do the same. Unfortunately, I expect that Freddy will struggle when facing ML hitters for 6 innings. He will be hard pressed to repeat last year’s performance, but he will be serviceable. I think his struggles will lead to the addition of Pettitte sometime in late April, early May. I think Freddy is traded by June after some time as the long man in the pen.

    The best case is that everyone’s pitching well and that we don’t have to make any kinds of decisions like this, but Pettitte is looming and his stuff looks good by all accounts. Garcia is no Pettitte.

    Let’s let things play out. We have a very solid pitching rotation, a very good bullpen, an excellent defensive alignment, and a decent lineup 1-9. We may not be the best offense or the best rotation, but we’re in the conversation (top 5 or so) in every category. We should be excited. And it’s not such a bad thing if DJ Mitchell spends a month in the big leagues. The likelihood of Phelps, Mitchell, and Warren getting starting spots isn’t very high considering the SP options the Yankees have currently and those on their way (Betances/ManBan). Maybe that month leads to a solid trade return down the road.

  22. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Wade wasn’t really a “mop up man ” last year….he pitched some key innings as all three of Soriano, Robertson, and Mo weren’t available every day….he was pretty much Girardi’s #4 guy out there….he or Logan…..Ayala and Noesi were the mop ups guys……so its nit a huge obstacle if Wade doesn’t get it together…..it would be at least a minor problem that would need to be solved.

  23. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    River Avenue Blues has a Yankee fan confidence poll.

    http://riveraveblues.com/

  24. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “Even if Pineda had not been injured and placed on DL, he was going to start in the minors, because he was not ready to showcase in the majors as a starting pitcher for the NYY.”

    it was surprising to me even before the last game meltdown and injury that the yankees were giving hints pineda might be going to triple a.

    i think after 6 weeks with pineda they knew he wasn’t above getting teared up if he experienced failure. pineda in short was not nova inner temperment-wise .

    it’s not pineda’s fault though. he didn’t grow up in the yankee system like nova has where it’s every man for himself at all times if you’re not a number one draft pick.

    pineda will get a crash course in the yankee system. he should be fine as long as the yankees don’t make any more missteps with him like their idiotic spring training plan for him.

  25. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Charlestonchew-

    Enjoyed your post. Charleston has the finest collection of exciting prospects that hopefully will realize their full potential.

  26. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    With all of the young talent the Yankees have they just have to become a really good development team.

    Not to do so would be an incredible waste.

    And a real shame.

    For the next few years at least they won’t be able to just throw money at every swingin’ dic* they want to solve their problems.

  27. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Randy-

    Don’t cheat and vote more than once in the above RAB Yankee fan confidence poll. :)

  28. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 am

    YT-

    I’m very confident. I expect the Yankees to make or exceed the century mark in wins this year.

    That should give them the division and possibly the best record in baseball.

  29. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “Don’t cheat and vote more than once in the above RAB Yankee fan confidence poll.”

    i think the yankee team is loaded so i’d give a thumbs up vote, but my real vote is i never go on that RAB weenie site.

  30. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    River Dogs potent roster:

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....8;sid=t233

  31. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Randy-

    Too funny. Actually the poll is this:

    Given the team’s current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees’ overall future?

  32. upstate kate April 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am

    has the Empire State Yankees roster been posted yet?

  33. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    “For the next few years at least they won’t be able to just throw money at every swingin’ dic* they want to solve their problems.”

    mtu-

    this is the real issue isn’t it. there’s a new set of rules in town.

    i think thy are going to need a new management to deal with the new conditions.

    this one just isn’t that sharp. it’s used to appeasing fans when they do stupid things like overwork pineda into tendonitis by still being a loaded team. so no one really cares. the yankees will keep winning.

    the problem is there’s going to a time soon when the yankees let a grandeson walk and a martin where they may not be so strong after a blunder like pineda.

    they are going to need some people who don’t have to screw up first to then do the right thing.

    cashman’s management style is to muck it up and then get it right. he does scramble well, but the new rules are going to take that luxury of trial and error away from him.

  34. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Kate-

    Roster won’t be finalized until the Yankees ST ends. Here’s the most recent info I could find, from 2 days ago:

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....signments/

  35. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Randy-

    Steal a whole bunch of people from Tampa including your buddy.

    ;)

  36. upstate kate April 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Thanks YT
    I have tix already for a game in Rochester and one in Syracuse.

  37. Cashmoney April 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Given the team’s current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees’ overall future?
    ————
    my thought is this …the Yanks will always have a significant financial advantage over teams who wont spend money or can’t. the question under the new cba will be… how will Yankees continue to amass talents that will sustain them in long term success. better yet, where will they come from with limited spending being imposed on Yanks and others in IFA and Domestic draft.

  38. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am

    The Yankees already have a ton of talent in the pipeline. They just have to develop it well.

    That’s where I think they could still use improvement.

  39. Hassey April 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Effin Girardi man, effin Girardi…oh wait, this is the wrong blog, I meant DAN girardi

  40. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Steal some guys from Tampa to help develop our Pitching better, and steal a few from the Twins system so our guys come up playing sound fundamental baseball.

  41. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Here are just a few of the high-end prospects at various levels of our system :

    The 2B’s
    Sanchez
    Williams and Santana
    Campos and DePaula
    Bichette
    Montgomery
    Austin

    The 2nd tier is excellent too.

    Like I said we’re loaded.

    ;)

  42. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Cashmoney-

    I agree.

    Once the season starts, do the rules change per the new CBA on IFA signings? Jorge Soler is still out there but apparently hasn’t been declared a FA.

  43. Cashmoney April 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    MTU, they got some significant talent right now. just eyeing the future per se, if the this dumb arse drafting system remains in future CBA. it puts a significant cramp on the Yankees ability to acquire raw talents in the drafts. You might be able or cant sign a guy like betance or montero in the future.

  44. Mike_Boston April 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Aceves just told a Boston writer that he thinks he will be starting in place of Beckett for game 2, apparently he hurt his thumb…

  45. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I think one of the problems with the Pineda trade now is that IMO it was a win now move they are playing off as a big picture move……I think they see a window to win a WS this year and thought that Pineda could help them in that goal (and he still may) and secondarily they have him long term so they don’t have to sign Cole Hamels.

    A more big picture move would have been to sign Kuroda, keep Montero and let the good young pitching they already had develop……but I think this was at least in part a win now move disguised as a long term move.

  46. austinmac April 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Shame,

    These guys are about 25 years old. They don’t have a place to start and don’t have much trade value as far as I can tell. What should the Yankees do to get something back from them?

    I believe they all would jump for joy to be the long man. I think it will be Mitchell.

  47. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    “ACeves just told a Boston writer that he thinks he will be starting in place of Beckett for game 2, apparently he hurt his thumb…”

    doesn’t Bailey have a thumb injury as well……thumb wrestling while eating chicken and drinking beer now?

  48. Cashmoney April 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Trader. I do not know the answer to that question.

  49. austinmac April 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    MTU,

    I assume swinging dic* refers to offensive players while pitchers are throwing dic*s.

  50. Bo knows April 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    A more big picture move would have been to sign Kuroda, keep Montero and let the good young pitching they already had develop……but I think this was at least in part a win now move disguised as a long term move.

    —————————————
    Definitely agree. Their window is shrinking rapidly. This year is the apogee before the downward spiral.

    The future is:

    The Chinese curse “May you live in interesting times”

  51. Mike_Boston April 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Yep, 2 thumb injuries for them…playing video games replacing beer in the clubhouse?

  52. Cashmoney April 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    MTU,
    speak softly and carry a big dic*?

  53. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Cash-

    Longer term I see your point. Not gonna be as easy.

    That said, they have enought talent to fill their needs for some time to come.

    With all of their trade chips they should also be able to acquire some of what they might need via that route.

    The big issue is developing what they have. And doing it well.

    JMO

  54. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Blake-

    Cole Hamels looks like he’s going to FA, unless the Phillies lock him up in the next few days. I suspect the new Dodgers will be major players in returning Hamels to southern California.

    The Giants are working overtime to get Cain signed to an extension before their season starts.

    The only big contracts the Yankees have to contend with is deciding if Cano and Granderson are getting extensions or if one or both of them will be allowed to test FA.

  55. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Mac-

    Your the lawyer. I wouldn’t dare argue with you.

    :)

  56. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Blake-

    I think they injured them attempting to pull them out of a certain orifice.

    ;)

  57. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Trader,

    If they can’t get Hamels signed then the Phillies have an interesting decision to make this summer…..so they trade Cole and try to get what they can and get younger…..or do they keep him and really go all out to try for a WS this year…..knowing that their window may close for awhile after 2012 if Hamels leaves?

  58. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    MTU,

    That too….who is gonna close for Boston? Melancon?

  59. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I believe that Beckett injured the thumb while playing the piano for Valentine. NO???

  60. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am

    “Given the team’s current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees’ overall future?”

    i’m confident in the yankee’s immediate future and confident in their long range future as long as they morph their management into a more dynamic, creative, competitive environment.

    this whole being on the same page thing has resulted in a bunch of yes men who all kiss up the brian cashman who kisses up to hal.

    george has it right when he had management types screaming at each other across open meetings.

    i seriously doubt anyone was fighting against cashman for montero.

    they might as well have just fired themselves.

    that kind of environment just doesn’t cut it.

  61. Cashmoney April 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 am

    The only big contracts the Yankees have to contend with is deciding if Cano and Granderson are getting extensions or if one or both of them will be allowed to test FA.
    ——-
    Trader, I extend Cano right now and see if i can get some hometown disc. Grandson is a tough one… he is gonna be 32 or 33? how long and how much can the Yanks afford or want to commit given that his peak year might be behind him when FA times come.

  62. LGY April 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Please don’t waste Phelps or Warren in a mop up role.

  63. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Blake-

    The big question for the Phillies is if the pitching will be enough to get them a playoff spot. The NL East has made improvements and the Phillies are still short in a lot of offensive positions.

  64. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am

    The Montero deal had Nothing to do with short term, long term, “win now” thinking. It was ALL about dealing a player that did NOT have a on-field position, and therefore being able to rest Jeet and A-Rod physically, while also keeping their bats in the lineup. Simple as that.

  65. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Blake-

    It was supposed to be Bailey. Now it looks like MM.

    I think a lot is gonna have to go right for Boston to finish in contention.

    If it doesn’t I could easily see them finishing 3rd or even 4th.

    They could find themselves in a world of hurt real fast.

    They have to watch out for the Cap and their farm system is basically barren.

    Them losing Theo, Farrell, and Tito was good news for us.

  66. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    If Cory Wade is a major component of this bullpen I would wager that things have gone very far off track.

    My guess is that DJ Mitchell is the long man.

    As for the two injuries – they stink, no doubt about it. But at least now we have a possible rational as to why Pineda’s velocity was off and he can rehab and come back strong next month. As for Cabral – it does give the Yankees a way of keeping both him and Clay to open the year. So from that standpoint it’s not the worst case scenario.

    I was in and out this weekend so not sure if anything was resolved with Justin Maxwell.

  67. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    “george has it right when he had management types screaming at each other across open meetings.”

    I don’t think that was productive either….a happy medium between Yes men and screaming at each is other is probably what you want….

  68. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am

    blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    MTU,

    That too….who is gonna close for Boston? Melancon?
    ————–

    With Bailey hurt (as per usual) and Bard in the rotation for now – Melancon would be my guess with Aceves setting him up.

  69. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    “The Montero deal had Nothing to do with short term, long term, “win now” thinking”

    Errrrr…..go to the back of the line again….of course it did….they always want to win now and they didn’t like their 2012 staff enough so they traded Montero to try and make it better

  70. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Cashmoney-

    There is a lot to like about Granderson. He could very well be a potent offensive force for another 4-5 years, with his speed, quick wrists, his constant improvement. I hope he returns.

  71. MTU April 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    BIAW

  72. pat April 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    ?MikeSilvermanBB
    I get the sense the #RedSox were not expecting Aceves to be the one to break news about Beckett’s thumb situation. #thumbsituations

    Oops

  73. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    No one is getting fired over Michael Pineda having tendonitis. No one is getting fired over The Trade.

    Also; you’re right – everyone could have agreed with Cashman – that doesn’t mean they’re yes men – just means they all agree (as do many other people) that trading a DH with a strong bat for a young pitcher with top of the rotation potential is a good thing.

  74. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    “The big question for the Phillies is if the pitching will be enough to get them a playoff spot”

    Yea I think so if they have all 3 of the big 3…..if that gets cut to a big 2 though that are both in their mid 30s next year….I don’t know.

  75. Shame Spencer April 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    austin – What they may or may not want isn’t really the issue for me.. there would be better timed scenarios during the season to call any of them up for a long man role. I’m not sure what the reason would be to have them start out there.

    Whatever their trade value is, it probably won’t increase by sitting them in the pen.

  76. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am

    blake April 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    “The Montero deal had Nothing to do with short term, long term, “win now” thinking”

    Errrrr…..go to the back of the line again….of course it did….they always want to win now and they didn’t like their 2012 staff enough so they traded Montero to try and make it better
    ——————-

    And they also likely felt (I say likely because I’m not in the room) that having a stable of young, cost effective, top pitchers like Pineda, Nova, Hughes, Betances and Banuelos along with CC gives them a pretty good chance to win later too.

  77. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am

    MTU-

    The loss of their pesky SS, Scutaro, the injury to Crawford[wrist], who’s in right, their catching-a lot of questions. The Blue Jays might finish ahead of them.

  78. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am

    “Them losing Theo, Farrell, and Tito was good news for us.”

    farrel was really good while with the red sox.

    they made a blunder in not having him replace tito in a planned succession.

  79. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    One really has to look at what the cost in prospects was to obtain a top flight or potential top flight pitcher this offseason.

    Gio Gonzalez
    Matt Latos
    And what teams were rumored to be asking for:
    John Danks
    Matt Garza

    I think had Cashman been involved with Latos or Gonzalez, Montero one of the B’s, and possibly more would have had to be in the deal.

  80. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 am

    “just means they all agree (as do many other people) that trading a DH with a strong bat for a young pitcher with top of the rotation potential is a good thing.”

    that’s just idiotic, because there was always lots of people in baseball that were on both sides of the trade’s merits. if the yankees had no one in their system pushing to keep montero the system was missing balance of opinion.

    that’s just not healthy. there needs to be independent thinking in any organization.

    right now, don’t you think that a whole lot of other gms right now if they had the choice would take montero over the injured pineda.

    but here’s the kicker.

    cashman himself said the other day that pineda was abused by seattle.
    i loved their pitching coach carl willis’ answer.

    it was something like ,” the yankees didn’t know his innings usage before they made the trade?”.

  81. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 am

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    farrel was really good while with the red sox.

    they made a blunder in not having him replace tito in a planned succession.
    —————

    I don’t think they were planning on letting Francona go when they did and you can’t just ask a guy to hang out and wait for an undetermined amount of time – well you can ask, but it hardly ever works out.

    The unwritten rule is that if someone asks for permission to interview your guy you grant it unless you are going to promote him right away yourself.

  82. Mike_Boston April 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 am

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  83. Howe Farr April 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am

    “i?m confident in the yankee?s immediate future and confident in their long range future as long as they morph their management into a more dynamic, creative, competitive environment.”

    Are we talking about the same management that has produced a winning and competitive team for the past 15 years? That management?

  84. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I didn’t see Cashman’s comments about Pineda’s use (or overuse) in Seattle but it would mark the second time in as many years that he has made a comment like that – said the same thing after Feliciano’s injury last year.

    And Randy, none of us are in on these meetings we can only speculate as to what level of discussion there was – whether everyone agreed or not.

    Sure, I’m sure there are GMs in the game who would take Montero over Pineda but I’m sure there are also GMs who would take Pineda over Montero.

    I’m not going to call this trade a disaster because Pineda might miss a month of the season – he’s 23 and will be a Yankee for a long long time. I’m sure at some point during his Seattle career Montero will also take a trip to the DL.

  85. Howe Farr April 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Randy,

    I don’t comment that much, but I do read what you have to say. And I have to say that everything you write has an agenda and thus contains little perspective than other people who post here.

    If you are calling this trade a bust based on a pitcher landing on the DL, then everyone has the right to call it a bust because montero is 1 for 8 in the season. I hope you realize that its idiotic to call it a bust due to Montero early season results, as idiotic as calling this trade a bust already.

  86. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am

    As usual, you guys over complicate things. Had the Yanks been offered a Top cheap young stick that actual plays a position, the Yanks woulda gone that route. The Kuroda signing solidified the rotation to the point where dealing Montero solely for a SP was NOT mandatory. The common thought around here is that an everyday stick is worth more than a SP. If that be the case, why would the Yanks trade a young cheap bat, for a young cheap arm? The deal was ALL about dealing a player who did NOT have a position, and being able to rest, yet bat, Jeet and A-Rod. As in life, timing is everything. Jack Z hit Cashman up with an offer at the opportune time.

  87. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    cashman himself said the other day that pineda was abused by seattle.
    ———————–
    Randy-

    I can’t seem to find a link to the above. Do you have one?

  88. Tackelberry April 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Are we ever gonna stop with the Montero obsession? He is gone, and nothing any of you say or do is gonna reverse the trade. Please get over it, and lets hope Pineda recovers and comes back strong. GeeZ!!!!!!!!!!

  89. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I love it. Now you guys are waffling to the point where you are claiming the deal was BOTH long and short term. The fence pokes the groin once again.

  90. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Chip-

    The Feliciano signing was bad to begin with. He had some 92 appearances the year before, about the same the year before that, and who knows how many times he warmed up but wasn’t used.

  91. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am

    ” And I have to say that everything you write has an agenda and thus contains little perspective ”

    howie carr-

    there’s only one reason i’m alive and kicking on this blog with how far i go out on limbs.

    i mostly get it right.

    sorry you’re too chicken sh*t to go out on a limb yourself.

    but thanks for saying hello :)

  92. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “I can’t seem to find a link to the above. Do you have one?”

    yankee trader.

    i think i saw it on a video . i’ll have to try to track down a link to the video.

  93. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “I love it. Now you guys are waffling to the point where you are claiming the deal was BOTH long and short term. ”

    Uhm….smart decision making considers both short and long term goals……

  94. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I don’t care much for the new Miami digs. That structure beyond Left Center issa joke, and the windows look like something out of a food court atta Mall. Also, they have a roof, yet the infield gets soaked with rain? I’m not even gonna get into the Marlin broadcasters.

  95. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Still can’t find a link that states Cashman thought that Pineda was abused by the Mariners.

    We have already seen the stats for his fb velocity posted here, for all his starts and the only one down from the norm was his last start, I believe it was 9/21/11, while he was pitching on 5 days rest the last 3 starts.

  96. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Better check the previous posts. That was NOT the position presented. The waffling is so prevelant, you guys can’t keep track of what your Most recent position was.

  97. Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Pineda was not abused or overused by Seattle and Cashman did not say it, Nick in SF posted a satirical april fools day quote where he replaced Feliciano with Pineda and Mets with Mariners.

  98. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 am

    I said it a couple days ago. Pineda is following the same path Hughes took. Hughes is looking to be A-OK, and there is NO reason to believe otherwise regarding Pineda. Both these Chuckers are kids going thru growing pains. Happens in life, happens in Baseball.

  99. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    An April Fool around here seems to be the order of the day.

  100. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Agree or disagree-looking at it only at the time the trade was made and not factoring in the signing of Kuroda later in the day.

    If the Yankees has traded for Gonzalez and/or Latos what would it have likely cost the Yankees in prospects, remembering that those two brought back no less than 4 very good prospects.

    Now do you still think, given the cost for young starting pitching this offseason, that the Yankees should have gone for Gonzalez or Latos?

  101. Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Wade has been very hittable
    Logan is Logan
    Robertson will be hard pressed to repeat last years ERA/success
    Soriano-not impressed with his repertoire and 90-92mph fastball, to step in and close games if needed.
    Mitchell is untested, if he wins the long man spot
    Rapada-strict LOOGY. In close games the opposing manager can just pinch-hit a righty and negate his usefulness.
    Chamberlain-he would have been a major addition midseason, but now not certain he’ll have the leg strength this year to be effective.

    Wade has an option, so I can see him being very much on the bubble. Without Ayala, Wade is kind of the mop up guy now which should be way above his skill level. He is a feel pitcher because his primary out pitches are a pretty nasty curve & a solid change up. I wonder if that has anything to do with his struggles this spring or just a small sample size. The fungibility of relievers and their variance in production is one reason why I don’t get some people (Levine, Cashman at times) fascination with acquiring them for lots of money. Wade was very good in his debut, had 1 bad season where he had a shoulder injury, and coming off injury had a good season. Quite possible his luck has just run out or its just spring training and he will be a dependable ~3 ERA guy this year despite the troubles.

    Logan & Rapada are both LOOGYs. Logan in his career gets hammered by righties .880 ops. Same split in 2010. He had a reverse split last year, but I think that was just SSS junk. The logic that teams will pinch hit does not fly because if used right Rapada will only be facing lefties that are so good their team CAN’T pinch hit for them. And infact most teams do not have the bench to play strategy like that. They can’t pinch hit for A-gon/Ortiz/Pena/Hamilton/Fielder.

    It is interesting that some baseball analysts believe the days of the specialized bullpen will be shook up when a team is smart enough to realize managers willingly give them situations where they can get a severe platoon advantage and that some team will carry a deep platoon oriented bench and just go hog wild in the late innings against relievers. Contrary to what you might think, most relievers show a severe platoon split (even righties!) and matching up both ways can lead to a hitter being in a severely beneficial position.

    I hope Mitchell is the long man and Phelps starts in AAA to be the first called up. Warren isnt even on the 40 man so his name is lip service alone.

    The bullpen has Robertson & Mariano in it, so it will be good for that reason alone. Robertson won’t have a 1 ERA (unless he has become a Mariano-type reliever for real) again but he will still strike guys out and be real good. Honestly the ERA of a reliever isn’t so much important (as long as its not over 4) because there are lots of little factors which go into effective relief.

  102. Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Now do you still think, given the cost for young starting pitching this offseason, that the Yankees should have gone for Gonzalez or Latos?

    No. They did not need any of the 3.

  103. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Jerkface-

    I posted this article earlier when you weren’t on. You would enjoy it. “Looking Ahead to 2012-Ivan Nova and Freddy Garcia”

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....ddy_garcia

  104. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    yankee trader-

    jerkface was correct.
    here’s the post:

    Nick in SF April 1st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    “He was abused,” Cashman told reporters Sunday in Tampa. “It’s a thin market when you’re looking for power pitchers, and he was one of the better ones out there. But you don’t typically go after a guy who’s been used like that in his first season. The use pattern was abusive.”

    Told of Cashman’s comments, the Mariners pitching coach Carl Willis said, “They didn’t know that when they traded for him?”

  105. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I’ve been looking and haven’t been able to find a single thing backing up the comment that Cashman claimed Seattle abused Pineda.

  106. Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Of course I’m correct.

    YT, I love RLYW, thanks for the link. Probably the best yankee blog for analysis out there. Although I may be bias’d because I am part of a secret club to which SG is also a member. I should yell at him for forecasting Tex to OPS .900 for the first 5 years of his deal.

  107. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Anyone know if Nick Johnson is gonna make the O’s 25 Man???

  108. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
    Pineda was not abused or overused by Seattle and Cashman did not say it, Nick in SF posted a satirical april fools day quote where he replaced Feliciano with Pineda and Mets with Mariners.

  109. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am

    “I’ve been looking and haven’t been able to find a single thing backing up the comment that Cashman claimed Seattle abused Pineda.”

    chip-

    april fools joke mystery solved:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201...../#comments

    Nick in SF April 1st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    “He was abused,” Cashman told reporters Sunday in Tampa. “It’s a thin market when you’re looking for power pitchers, and he was one of the better ones out there. But you don’t typically go after a guy who’s been used like that in his first season. The use pattern was abusive.”

    Told of Cashman’s comments, the Mariners pitching coach Carl Willis said, “They didn’t know that when they traded for him?”

  110. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am

    april fools joke mystery solved:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…../#comments

    Nick in SF April 1st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    “He was abused,” Cashman told reporters Sunday in Tampa. “It’s a thin market when you’re looking for power pitchers, and he was one of the better ones out there. But you don’t typically go after a guy who’s been used like that in his first season. The use pattern was abusive.”

    Told of Cashman’s comments, the Mariners pitching coach Carl Willis said, “They didn’t know that when they traded for him?”
    —————————–

    Ok, what paper was that reported in or was it just someone writing up fake quotes and posting them on the blog?

  111. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I’m glad that has been cleared up.

    The Doctor said-” I should have looked at your mother’s chart, I’m sorry, but I gave her the wrong antibiotic, and that’s why she’s in a vegetative state, not likely to recover. “I think that statement would admit negligence.

    Please be careful to post the truth if you can.

  112. randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    slow blog today.

    my theory is so many people are stunned by the recent pineda events that went counter to their positions they are figuring out how to jump back in.

    either that or they are flat out depressed.

  113. Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Gotta go.

    Will check back later after the Yankees package Maxwell, Vazquez, Pena for a young corner OF’er. :)

    Please-No more April Fool’s jokes!

    Have a great day.

  114. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Just ready for opening day…..ST is boring by this point…..for the players and fans both…..

  115. jacksquat April 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    randy l. April 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
    slow blog today.

    my theory is so many people are stunned by the recent pineda events that went counter to their positions they are figuring out how to jump back in.

    either that or they are flat out depressed.

    lol, you should apply for press secretary at the white house, you sling the bull pretty well.

    game not until 7pm today, that’s probably part of it.

  116. Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Nick in SF posted a satirical april fools day quote where he replaced Feliciano with Pineda and Mets with Mariners.

    For you a third time Chip, in case you continue to lack functioning eyes.

  117. jacksquat April 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 am

    blake April 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
    Just ready for opening day…..ST is boring by this point…..for the players and fans both…..

    yeah, the players are so bored they can’t even bring themselves to play 9 innings with 3 games left to play. I would hope they play 9 innings at least a couple times so opening day is not the first time.

  118. Chip April 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Nick in SF posted a satirical april fools day quote where he replaced Feliciano with Pineda and Mets with Mariners.

    For you a third time Chip, in case you continue to lack functioning eyes.
    ———————

    Long morning – thanks for the clarification.

  119. DONNYBROOK April 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    It will be interesting to see what kinda suspension Jimenez gets for drilling Tulo. With Mgr Tracy knowing about the Rock’s locker room last season, and based on his comments, it sounds like they got rid of a Cancer last July.

  120. Jerkface April 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I got tickets to game 2 and game 3. I’m ready for the season to start.

  121. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am

    That lime green wall in Miami looks hideous on TV….it makes the grass look brown and gives the park an 80′s arcade look that’s just not appealing…..

  122. Shame Spencer April 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    I’m fuzzy this morning – who’s throwing tonight?

  123. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “I’m fuzzy this morning – who’s throwing tonight?”

    Kuroda and Hughes.

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock April 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    The Doctor said-” I should have looked at your mother’s chart, I’m sorry, but I gave her the wrong antibiotic, and that’s why she’s in a vegetative state, not likely to recover. “I think that statement would admit negligence.
    ///

    If you can avoid it, never stay overnight in a hospital ;).

  125. Shame Spencer April 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Thanks blake, that’s what I thought but then I wasn’t sure if my count was off.

  126. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    “If you can avoid it, never stay overnight in a hospital.”

    Hospitals are one of the more dangerous places in the world, unless it’s for a maternity thing.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock April 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Rich,

    Yes.

    Stay healthy.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock April 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Too lazy to look: are we on YES or on anywhere?

  129. NYYanksFan April 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “i think i saw it on a video . i’ll have to try to track down a link to the video.”

    How did Nick make a video of his April Fools Day joke?

  130. blake April 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Prediction time

    Division winners AL:
    Yankees, Rangers, Tigers

    Wild Cards:
    Red Sox and Angels.

    NL division winners
    Phillies (one more year), Cardinals, Giants

    Wild cards:
    Braves and Reds

    MVP: cano and Kemp
    Cy Young: Weaver and Kershaw

  131. GreenBeret7 April 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Are we back to claiming the Yankees didn’t need starting pitching this year or trade for Pineda? yes, he’s got an injury now, but, in no way is that on Cashman or Girardi, no matter who claims it tp be so. NYYs had Sabathia and Nova. Gardcia is an aging junkballer and NYYs got pretty lucky last year. Cashman wasn’t within 3 weeks of signing Kuroda. Betting on that signing would have like betting on Lee again. Remember Lee? The guy that was a sure thing to be signed the next day? He was…by Philadelphia. Pettitte wasn’t within 2 months of signing and Hughes was and still is an unknown. That leaves three starters and two rookies. anybody want to go through that again after 2008?

    Most of all, get off of this “everything is Cashman’s and Girardi’s fault because they’re idiots, and this board full of smarter GMs and managers know more” BS. Most of you couldn’t manage a newspaper route.

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