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Pregame notes: Roster must be set tomorrow afternoon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ll try to make this quick because the schedule is kind of goofy today and the game starts in less than an hour…

The Yankees have until 5 p.m. tomorrow to set their roster. Joe Girardi is still not willing to commit officially to Clay Rapada making the team, but he seems like a heavy favorite for the sixth spot in the bullpen. The seventh spot comes down to Adam Warren, D.J. Mitchell and David Phelps, with Mitchell and Phelps seeming to be the front runners. Both are here today, and both are scheduled to pitch.

Long shots a month ago now seem like tossups for the long-man spot.

“This is what I was hoping to do,” Mitchell said. “Obviously I was trying to make the team.”

Brian Cashman said he’ll continue to monitor the trade market and the waiver wire the next couple of day just in case something pops up that could fit this roster, but for now the choice seems to come down to picking a minor league starter to give multiple innings out of the bullpen. I’d expect some sort of announcement tomorrow.

• Cashman said he has not gotten any calls on outfielder Justin Maxwell. Despite a great spring, it seems that the Yankees have no spot on the roster for Maxwell, who’s out of option. Is Cashman surprised teams aren’t calling about him? “I don’t know what other people’s needs are out there,” he said.

• The Yankees will have both Rule 5 picks on the disabled list when the season begins. Cesar Cabral is obviously going on the DL with his elbow injury, but Brad Meyers will also go on the DL because of his shoulder. Cashman said he’s not allowed to return a Rule 5 pick or put a player on waivers unless he can guarantee that player is healthy and ready to play. He can’t do that with his Rule 5 picks, so they’ll go on the DL.

• Cashman said he expects Cabral to pitch again this season.

• Dewayne Wise and Jayson Nix have outs in their contracts, but only if another team is willing to give them a spot on the 25-man roster. If not team gaurantees them a spot, they will remain Yankees and open the season in Triple-A. Bill Hall apparently has no out in his contract. Cashman said he’s going to Triple-A.

• No problems with Nick Swisher or Curtis Granderson. They’ve been the DH the past two days strictly to give them a little bit of a break after playing several days in a row.

• The Yankees hope to meet with Michael Pineda tomorrow to discuss his injury and a plan going forward. Cashman described it as a short-term injury.

• There’s still a chance Andy Pettitte will pitch an inning out of the bullpen in tomorrow’s big league game. Girardi said he has to discuss it with Larry Rothschild before settling on a decision. If not tomorrow, Pettitte will pitch Thursday in a minor league game.

• Girardi expects to start his regulars in tomorrow’s spring finale. He said they’ll play four or five innings.

• Today’s available pitchers: Ivan Nova, David Phelps, D.J. Mitchell, George Kontos, Brandon Pinder, Mark Montgomery, Juan Cedeno, Pat Venditte.

• Today’s second string: C J.R. Murphy, 1B Kyle Roller, 2B Kelvin Castro, SS Ramiro Pena, 3B Zach Wilson, LF Chris Dickerson, CF Abe Almonte, RF Justin Maxwell

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122 Responses to “Pregame notes: Roster must be set tomorrow afternoon”

  1. RadioKev April 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    You know, it’s a point worth making that Phelps and Mitchell would love to be the long man. Say what you will about their development, but these kids know what the shot means to their career.

  2. jacksquat April 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    “because of his falling off to the left in a very unbalanced way, i don’t expect a long career without injury for pineda. he uses a lot of arm to throw and if an injury occurs twhere he lost velocity he’d have trouble just like joba has.”

    I know you didn’t like how he fell off to the side. Any pitcher that has an injury and loses velocity is going to have trouble. We don’t know if it’s his mechanics that caused the tendonities. I am much more inclined to guess it was because he came to camp out of shape (not the fat, the muscle condition).

    I think if Pineda had come into camp in shape and thrown with his normal velocity, with his fastball and slider, he would have made the rotation. His changeup is good enough for now, as a 3rd of 4th pitch. You even said that it took a while for CC to develop his change, and he wasn’t in the minors doing it.

    Anyway, no disrespect intended, but I don’t think you were really right on this particular issue.

  3. jacksquat April 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    *tendinitis*

  4. randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    He’s an acceptable catcher but not great?

    He’ll be a very good hitter?

    Sound good?”

    ding, ding, ding!!!!!

    we have a winner :)

  5. stuckey April 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    You know, it’s a point worth making that Phelps and Mitchell would love to be the long man. Say what you will about their development, but these kids know what the shot means to their career.

    _______________________

    The food, accommodations and the paychecks are a LOT bigger, too.

  6. randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    “You even said that it took a while for CC to develop his change, and he wasn’t in the minors doing it.”

    i was surprised to hear that it took CC four years to get it right

  7. G. Love April 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    I’m seriously looking forward to seeing Andy throw his inning against the Mets.

    I know there’s a consensus in the small strange Lohud fishbowl here that he’s stealing a spot from a plucky youngster, but I know the majority of Yankee fans are going to be thrilled to see him up on the mound this season doing his thing again. His last start vs. Lee in the ALDS at the Stadium was awesome and he walked away too soon. I’m hoping he still has it because if he does, we’re a much better team.

    If I had to make a prediction, Freddy gets traded if no one gets injured when Andy comes back.

    Then the brilliant Cashman and his pitching advisors will huddle in the dark & decide to put Pineda in the pen so they don’t tax his inflammed shoulder. Come on…you know he’s gonna do it.

  8. randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    let me dig up that CC link

    carl willis ironically taught both CC and pineda the change.

  9. CompassRosy April 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    ok – I’ll use this opportunity to open/close italics tags properly ;)

    ~
    Chip April 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    “The key thing that you’ll notice, I think, in his deals is that most of them were made possible by having an excess of pitching in the system. Pitching is in demand and if you have it to spare you’ll be able to make trades to help your club.”

    ~

    And what’s even more key (and exciting!) is that the M’s are are still stocked to the gills with young pitching (3 in the top 100 – 2 in the top 20). It will take some time but, the future is bright :)

    ***

    randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
    “Then again, he works well with the pitchers, and that’s really the most important skill to refine anyway”

    ::::: yes and no.

    if a guy like ron washington gets in a game that he needs to win and cervelli is catching, he may have his team steal non stop.

    they did this against varitek one game last year.

    personally i think it puts a lot of pressure on a pitcher when the catcher throws runners out poorly. the pitchers have to slide step and throw pitches they may not want to throw to give the catcher a chance. :::::

    Randy ~

    When I said “…works well with the pitchers…”

    I was referring to skills and abilities such as: calling a game, being on the same page with the pitcher and knowing his strengths and weaknesses, developing a working knowledge of the opposing teams’ hitters, etc., as being the most important as far as catcher is concerned. I wasn’t speaking about throwing runners out…

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “I was asked to join and one of the selling points was that you weren’t going to be invited. so when you keep up this constant attack on me , remember everyone doesn’t really appreciate your approach to things.”

    I call BS on this. I opted out of that group because it appeared to have been penetrated once again by CR 9. You are so full of it.

    But you can check with Doreen if you want and ask her if I specifically asked to have you kept from the group when they were forming it. Because I did. In fact I told her that if you were going to be part of it I didn’t want to be.

    So there you have it. That was right on the heels of your bombarding me with your endless harassment about Posada and Cervelli.

  11. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    What’s the big hurry with Pettitte? Cashman got some sorta trade warming in the oven, that requires Pettitte being added to the Yankee Rotation? Or is Andy adverse to knocking around down-on-the-farm for any prolonged length of time? For a guy that has Not pitched in over a Year, the Yanks seem to be fast-tracking Pettitte.

  12. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    The recovery of Pineda’s injury may be short-term, so that’s not an issue, but the focus should be on the cause, and then preventing a re-occurrence.

  13. Eroc April 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “For a guy that has Not pitched in over a Year, the Yanks seem to be fast-tracking Pettitte.”

    They don’t even know how to handle a 40 yr old veteran properly lol

  14. stuckey April 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    It’s official.

    LoHud is now a junior high school.

  15. austinmac April 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Maxwell looked good hitting early in camp, but he has slowed down as MLB pitchers or those close to it are now pitching. I expect he will be sent down and no one else will put him on an MLB roster. He’s 28 and has never had success. It would be unusual for him to find it now.

    He is this year’s Dickerson. A good player but no more than a potential back-up.

  16. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    ” A good player but no more than a potential back-up.”

    Which is exactly what the Yankees need.

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Just setting the record straight.

    Nothing more to say.

    ***************

    “The Yankees hope to meet with Michael Pineda tomorrow to discuss his injury and a plan going forward. Cashman described it as a short-term injury.”

    This will be an interesting watch.

    Enjoy the game y’all. I think I’ll catch some fresh air.

  18. Eroc April 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    But on a serious note, would anyone be surprised if they rushed him along? Patience is not really in their vocabulary.

  19. blake April 3rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    “Then the brilliant Cashman and his pitching advisors will huddle in the dark & decide to put Pineda in the pen so they don’t tax his inflammed shoulder. Come on…you know he’s gonna do it.”

    Nah…they’d be too afraid of the media backlash from that ….so that’ll hopefully save is this time

  20. The Genius Maker April 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I am a huge believer that you need two lefties out of the pen; having only one lefty gives the opposing manager a lot less to worry about and you lose matchups at key points. Rapada would be my choice. As for Maxwell, I have no idea why they would cut the guy? Ibanez should not have been picked up and they wasted 1+ mil on him and now it impacts us losing a possible decent guy. He had a .945 OPS last year in the minors…he is a MUCH better choice than keeping Ibanez…even if he doesn’t work out it was the smarter move

  21. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Montero looked a little weird coming out after a bunt yesterday. Did anybody catch that?

    He didn’t have a chance and it was the 3rd basemans play but it looked i dont know….kind of slow.

  22. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I think Pineda might be in the pen in the playoffs…… ;)

  23. The Genius Maker April 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    austinmac
    “He?s 28 and has never had success. It would be unusual for him to find it now.

    ********

    Last year in the Yanks minors he had a .945 OPS; that is very good (204 AB’s). He also had a .793 OPS in 2009 with Washington in 89 Major League AB’s.

    He is worthy of a chance, Ibanez is not

  24. austinmac April 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I don’t think I have ever seen a single post in which someone said Montero wouldn’t be a good hitter. People, including me, have said it is ridiculous to guarantee iconic status on a 22 year old with a handful of MLB at-bats. In my opinion, those folks have no credibility. To forecast, predict, or project is fine. To be certain is not based in reality.

    No one, not trying to build value, has ever said Montero could be a reasonably good catcher. Catching four innings of Felix in an exhibition game isn’t evidence. To those who suggest it is, you are not rowing with both oars. That is why you circle and circle back to the same place.

    I never saw anyone predict Pineda would have a decline in velocity this spring. Anyone want to bet he is back and pitching well by July 1 at the latest? I believe he will.

  25. randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    “Anyway, no disrespect intended, but I don’t think you were really right on this particular issue.”

    jacksquat-

    no problem.

    we don’t have to agree to have a useful conversation.

    here’s that CC link to his change up and how it took four years. interesting read:

    No, the Yankees hope Pineda can pick Sabathia’s brain about the circle changeup, a pitch Sabathia was pressured to develop as an Indian in 2003 when he, too, was a two-pitch pitcher.
    “It was forced on me,’’ the Yankees’ ace said of the changeup. “I didn’t have an option.’’
    The Yankees may not describe their method as forcible, but it is clear the goal for the colossal 23-year-old right-handed Pineda this spring is to learn the change, a pitch general manager Brian Cashman called “a below average pitch for him.’’
    “If he wants to talk about it, I will talk to him,’’ Sabathia said of Pineda, who went 9-10 with a 3.74 ERA for the Mariners last season, his first in the big leagues. “I don’t want to force it on him but I am sure we will talk about it.’’
    In 2003, Indians pitching coach Carl Willis, under orders from his bosses, introduced Sabathia to the change. From there, Terry Mulholland, an ex-Yankee, helped Sabathia with the nuances of the hard-to-master pitch. Willis is the Mariners pitching coach.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1r08SDT00

  26. ron April 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    George King of the NY Post spoke with Mariners pitching coach Carl Willis recently and the coach told him that just two years ago Michael Pineda‘s changeup was better than his slider.

    “In the minor leagues in 2010 his changeup was more effective than the slider,” Willis told The Post. “Last year we attacked the slider in spring training because the American League never saw him and it played up. But he will get a good feel for the changeup. He listens and is a hard worker.”

    The changeup is a pitch that Pineda threw just 6.3 percent of the time last season, but the Yankees are hoping that he can improve the pitch and learn to use it more throughout games. They have even put his locker next to CC Sabathia‘s and the hope is that the ace will help to tutor him on the pitch.

    Willis, a former Cleveland Indian pitching coach, is the same coach who taught the changeup to Sabathia back in the day. Sabathia said that the Indians forced him to learn the pitch just like Pineda is being tasked to learn it today.

    If Willis’ quote is really true than that’s a good sign. Over the past couple of years we have heard a lot about people learning a changeup, specifically from Phil Hughes and A.J. Burnett, but neither was able to do much with the pitch. It would be refreshing to see somebody actually make progress with it and hopefully if Pineda does, his future will be brighter than with either of those two.

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  27. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    You guys are funny lol.

  28. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “I never saw anyone predict Pineda would have a decline in velocity this spring.”

    But I guess we should have, given his jump in innings (although not THAT much), but I was too distracted to think about the other party in the transaction. My bad.

    “Anyone want to bet he is back and pitching well by July 1 at the latest? ”

    In a way, the later the better (to a point), in the sense that he could benefit from some low pressure time to strengthen his arm and refine his change, while keeping his high stress innings load down this season. So after the AS break would be fine.

  29. austinmac April 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Genius Maker,

    One thing better this year about Maxwell has been his reduced Ks. If you look at his AAA season last year, he struck out as much as Vasquez.

    While I have never wanted Ibanez, he looks like he can hit righties a bit here lately. I don’t think the Yankees think Maxwell can, and we shall see if any other team will give him a shot.

  30. randy l. April 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    “I never saw anyone predict Pineda would have a decline in velocity this spring.”

    austinmac-

    i quite clearly said many times that when a pitcher works on something new, everything else is affected. this is why i said they were attempting too much to soon with the kid.

    it is at the core of my beliefs of learning any athletic skill that learning any new skill affects everything you learned before.

    it takes time to merge the new with the old or replace the old.

    read the sabathia link i provided. look how long it took CC to get the change to a plus pitch.

  31. austinmac April 3rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I think the Yankees will take their time with Pineda, but once he is pitching with his old velocity, (I say with a bit of a prayer) he will be brought back up. They believe his change up will work, and it looked decent to me. It would be even better is it stayed at 84 or so and his fastball was 94+. A 4-6 mph difference is not enough.

  32. Giuseppe Franco April 3rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Montero doesn’t have to be a great catcher to add tremendous value to the Mariners.

    And Montero also doesn’t have to catch 80+ games this season. Baby steps.

    The Yanks certainly didn’t throw Posada to the wolves his first full season in the bigs and I don’t expect the Mariners will do it to Montero.

  33. stuckey April 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    randy,

    For someone with a past that should have produced some level of inner confidence and security, you spend an awful lot of time (almost exclusivelty, in fact) talking up your own credibility.

    Show a little pride as opposed to seeking self-reassurance 24/7.

    ‘Act like you’ve been there’ is a phrase you should be aware of but don’t seem to grasp.

  34. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Has it crossed the minds of anyone on here that randy is mostly just f*cking with you…?

  35. The Genius Maker April 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Randy, I do agree with you that working on one thing can impact other items. In fact, you may not even be wrong if one said that he hurt his shoulder trying to work on the change so much; it is surely possible. As someone who writes a blog as a tribute to Mariano Rivera (The Genius Maker is about him) I always thought Rivera would need to learn a change (even if it wasn’t a good one) as he got older. I think I may be wrong about that one? My feeling was that after some guys have fouled off 5 pitches to him just having to throw that pitch even 3-5% of the time would be VERY effective. from what I heard, he tried it a few years ago, but it started to throw off his feel on the cutter so they canned it.

    you are wrong about everything else though ;)

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