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Pineda: “There’s no pain right now”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 04, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Michael Pineda can’t remember the exact pitch when he first felt soreness in his right shoulder, but he said it was sometime during Friday’s game. He said he did not feel it earlier this spring.

“It was in the middle of the game,” he said.

Pineda has been working out, going through conditioning and receiving daily treatment in the trainer’s room. Basically, he’s done everything but throw, and he’s still not sure when his throwing program will begin.

“It’s a little sore, but there’s no pain right now,” he said. “… Right now I’m feeling much better.”

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295 Responses to “Pineda: “There’s no pain right now””

  1. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    He’s smiling in that picture, so he must be telling the truth.

  2. stuckey April 4th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    JF,

    Since you’ve gone so far as to say Montero “will mash” and that no good bats will be acquirable via trade, and you seem to think you pretty well have a handle on the options available to the Yankees the next few years, all of which you seemed pretty well convinced about, it’s within the ballpark to ask you to predict how many runs the Yankees will score during the next few seasons.

    Let’s say 2012, 2013, 2014?

    You seem to be predicting a drop-off. Can you quantify it please?

  3. stuckey April 4th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Nick,

    I think that smile is more of a “I got 9-figures riding on my right arm/shoulder and these dumb f******s think they have something to be upset about…get a grip” look.

  4. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Let’s say 2012, 2013, 2014?

    You seem to be predicting a drop-off. Can you quantify it please?

    850, 800, 500

  5. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Changing my middle answer to 770

  6. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Put a negative sign in front of the 500

  7. stuckey April 4th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    So a simple, relevant question that speaks directly to the predominant fixation of this forum can’t be answered seriously?

    Speaks volumes.

  8. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Maybe he’s smiling because he hated Francisco Cervelli.

  9. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    I answered 2/3rds of your question seriously.

  10. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    just watched Andy pitch finally…he looks good…delivery looks exactly the same as before…the velocity isn’t quite there yet but I saw him touch 88 once and I think it’ll get on up closer to 90 in a couple of weeks. The cutter looked sharp and he broke off a couple of pretty good curveballs for strikes…..another thing is that when you have Andy on the mound with Martin catching teams running games are going to come to a screeching halt….you aint running on that tandem. Exciting that he looks this good this early I think……

  11. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Can I really take a debtor seriously?

  12. stuckey April 4th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Can I really take a debtor seriously?

    ________________________

    Until I post something you think you have a good retort to and then you want hesitate responding seriously.

  13. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    You don’t want to respond to the serious parts of my answer?

  14. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Please don’t treat Jerkface like randy. It offends the senses.

  15. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Changing my first answer to 825.

  16. stuckey April 4th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    “You don’t want to respond to the serious parts of my answer?”

    Not really.

    Just wanted to see the kvetching in context.

    Now I have.

  17. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    I wonder if they had to give Michael any anti-inflammatory meds ?

    Like a shot of cortisone, etc.

    Even better if things clear up with just rest.

    Probably shut him down until he reports absolutely no pain or discomfort and then begin a rehab
    program.

    I really wish it were possible for a guy to go to API in season.

    They are really good at helping Pitchers get it together physically.

    You’ve seen how they have helped Hughes.

    Anyway, whatever they decide to do with Pineda I hope he is not brought back until he’s throwin’
    gas at more normal levels w/o discomfort and everything looks crisp.

    JMO

  18. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    They will lose almost a 100 runs within 2 years without a Montero-injection. Dire times.

  19. stuckey April 4th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Nick, funny you should say that, as that sort of response is very much from the Randy school.

  20. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    “Anyway, whatever they decide to do with Pineda I hope he is not brought back until he’s throwin’
    gas at more normal levels w/o discomfort and everything looks crisp.”

    I agree….they really have no reason to bring him back before he’s totally right

  21. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    That was a pretty fun game in Miami tonight. It’s great to have reg. season baseball back again.

    Anyways, tough break for Cervy today, the guy just can’t make the opening day roster. If he isn’t hurt like in previous years, then he gets shafted by being demoted.

    I don’t see what the problem was with just sending Molina down to AAA. Last year Gustavo was the BU on the opening day 25 man roster. I think he can handle being one of the two catchers in AAA.

  22. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Sometimes I endeavor to say funny things.

    You can’t quantify the power of a smile.

  23. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Blake-

    Is it possible that it just doesn’t come back this season ?

    What would they do then ?

  24. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Nick in SF, Do you know or anyone else know if Stewart was going to make the big league Giants club. If not Cashman could’ve just scooped him off of waivers without having to give up Kontos.

  25. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “they really have no reason to bring him back before he’s totally right”

    Not so far, but nothing happened yet! What if Nova and/or Hughes stink? What if Freddy decides to chop up some chorizo for a pre-game torta? What if something I don’t even want to say happens?

    Then it’s “rub some dirt on it and pitch” time.

    Be afraid.

  26. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Do you know or anyone else know if Stewart was going to make the big league Giants club. If not Cashman could’ve just scooped him off of waivers without having to give up Kontos.

    Probably not. Because they had some switch hitting backup they liked. But its possible they would not been able to claim him on waivers as the last team picking.

    Though they did get Tatum!

  27. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    “Is it possible that it just doesn’t come back this season ?”

    sure….it’s possible that he may not totally get his max velocity back until late in the season or even next year….but I don’t think he necessarily has to be throwing 99 mph to bring him back up….he just has to be throwing the ball right again and be closer to where he was last year stuff wise. Hughes was about as bad a case as you’ll see of this and his velocity was basically back by the end of the year last season…..most guys do get it back for the most part during the season if there is no injury involved.

  28. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Blake-

    So you would bring him back if he was still just touching 92 or so ?

    Not sure I would want to do that.

    The guy is alot more effective when he has that really good FB.

  29. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Blake-

    I’d also want to see a really good CU to go with it.

  30. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    “So you would bring him back if he was still just touching 92 or so ?”

    no….I think they should see some improvement from where he has been…..but would I have to see 97 every other pitch to bring him back up if he looks good and healthy otherwise? not really…..

  31. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    but would I have to see 97 every other pitch to bring him back up if he looks good and healthy otherwise? not really

    Good because this is unrealistic as we have established only 17% of his fastballs were 97+. We should see 94+ every other pitch though.

  32. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    I do not know and I think that someone must know but won’t be talking. Figuring out the backup catching situation was one of the last issues the Giants were struggling with. Part of the decision to trade Stewart involved the strong ST of switch-hitter Hector Sanchez, as Jerkface just mentioned. In some comments he made about the trade, Bochy called him a ‘switch-hitter who can bat from both sides’.

    This was from the local paper, written before the trade:

    “One of the hardest decisions will be whether or not to carry three catchers. Switch-hitter Hector Sanchez, who played briefly with the Giants in September, has hit .372 with four homers to force the issue.

    “He’s done enough to make this club,” Bochy said. “Sometimes you have to decide what’s best for Hector and the club. He’s done all he can do. He’s had a terrific spring.”

    Bochy also said he likes the way that Sanchez has been catching, and said the 22-year-old has made great strides in the past year with his work behind the plate.

    “Good pitchers help catchers improve, and I think that’s the case with our guy,” Bochy said.

    One of those pitchers, Matt Cain, cited another reason to keep Sanchez on the roster – the Panda effect.

    “He’s a guy that can obviously swing from both sides of the plate and he has a lot of energy,” Cain said. “He’s like Pablo (Sandoval) – he has a lot of energy. He’s exciting and that rubs off on people. He wants to get guys out whenever possible and he’s doing a good job back there.”

    Chris Stewart has played more than Eli Whiteside, Tuesday’s starter, and appears to be the favorite to back up Buster Posey. Posey will catch four or five innings Wednesday.”

  33. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    “Good because this is unrealistic as we have established only 17% of his fastballs were 97+. We should see 94+ every other pitch though.”

    you know what I mean….they need to see improvement and the ball coming out better…but I don’t necessarily think they need to see the velocity 100% back to where it was last year to bring him back up so long as he looks good and healthy…..it may take awhile before it comes back to that level….

  34. JD April 4th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Cervelli finally gets through spring training without getting hurt and then this. Snake bitten again. What if he gets hurt in AAA? Then where’s the depth? Weird move but Cervelli’s defense does kinda stink so there’s that.

  35. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Blake-

    OK. gotcha. That’s how I see it too.

    In addition, I want to see him work on that CU to the point where it looks really sharp.

    Otherwise it’s a missed opportunity.

    Of course as Nick just pointed out if sh*t happens they might bring him back sooner than we’d like.

    I hope that is not necessary.

    I do wonder if the velo will come back to where it needs to be. I guess we’ll find out.

  36. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    but I don’t necessarily think they need to see the velocity 100% back to where it was last year to bring him back up so long as he looks good and healthy…..it may take awhile before it comes back to that level….

    It should be close though. In spring he averaged 90-91. They need to see 93-94.

  37. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    So Pineda now admits he didn’t have any pain until sometime during his last start.

  38. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    “It should be close though. In spring he averaged 90-91. They need to see 93-94.”

    I agree….it needs to be better than it was before the call him back up….but will he average 95 this season? I don’t know….

  39. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    “So Pineda now admits he didn’t have any pain until sometime during his last start.”

    did he ever say otherwise?

  40. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Yes, he did, the night he got drilled by the NY media after the game he stated he was feeling pain prior to the game. Don’t you remember the feeding frenzy when tweets were coming from all kinds of directions.

  41. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    I need to take a walk around the block or something. Betting lines for the season props close in 10 minutes. I feel like putting more on Kuroda. My hands are shaking.

    :shock:

  42. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Which makes you wonder if he was trying to reach back for something he just did not yet have so as to impress people in what was deemed a very important start for him.

    Or whether it was just coincidental ?

    In any case, it might have been smarter to just let the kid go out and pitch w/o the fanfare and the commentary.

    Who frickin’ knows.

    ;)

  43. tucker April 4th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Still don’t like the idea of giving up Kontos for a replacement-level backup catcher. Kontos has a decent arm and could have slotted as a middle reliever should Wade not find his feel.

  44. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I don’t like the Kontos trade either, but I’m not going to lose sleep over it. His career has been slow developing since the 2006 draft. Just realize today that he turns 27 in June. That TJS didn’t help and I remember the Pirates turning him down in the Nady/Marte trade because they didn’t like his meds.

  45. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I just don’t like the fact that Steward didn’t get a chance to work with any of the starters either all spring.

    Making moves like this for AAA purposes is silly.

  46. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    I didn’t see that…..his arm angle wasn’t right the whole game but it got worse the longer he pitched…..he should have been taken out a lot sooner than he was.

  47. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    I’m not so sure it was for AAA purposes only. It pains me to say this, but Randy might be right about the Yankees not being happy with Cervelli’s defense.

  48. Jacques Strappe April 4th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    JF:

    Kuroda pitched in the NL West last year. He is reliable and probably good for 190 innings. But his career record is still 41-46. He’s got a better offense on his side now but he’s still pitching in in the AL East now so his ERA will go up right along with his run support. He will be reliable, and he will be an upgrade from AJ Burnett, but Kuroda will NOT suddenly have a year like Nova did last year. I expect even Nova himself to fall a little short of that this time around.

    Two years ago Hughes won 18 games. He was out of shape last year, yes. If you look only at what he did last year then of course he looks terrible. But he’s in shape this year. He had about the best spring training of all the Yanks regular pitchers. OF COURSE it’s only spring training. So was spring training last year. Last year was an abberation in the overall scheme of all things Hughes.

    If they each were to pitch full seasons in ’12:

    CC: 17-21 wins
    Hughes: 15-19 wins
    Pettitte: 12-16 wins (short season, otherwise I’d say 15-19 wins)
    Garcia: 13-17 wins
    Pineda:13-17 wins
    Nova: 12-16 wins
    Kuroda: 10-14 wins

    OBLIGATORY DISCLAIMER: NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY WILL ALL PITCH A FULL SEASON (30+ STARTS) IN THE ROTATION. THAT WOULD BE MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

    It’s likely 3 or 4 of them will be moved in & out of the rotation and not get the opportunity to start the 28-30 games it would take for them to win that many games. Barring injury, I think CC and Hughes and Kuroda will be the only ones to get 30+ starts.

  49. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    I need to take a walk around the block or something. Betting lines for the season props close in 10 minutes. I feel like putting more on Kuroda. My hands are shaking.

    ——-

    Do it Kuroda is going to win a lot of games because he will keep his team in the game everytime.

  50. blake April 4th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    I care less about losing Kontos than the fact that a probable auto out is going to be in the lineup at least once a week…..

  51. rm April 4th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    I hope Maxwell doesn’t end up with the Red Sox.

  52. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    “I didn’t see that…..his arm angle wasn’t right the whole game but it got worse the longer he pitched…..he should have been taken out a lot sooner than he was.”

    But, he wasn’t, so now what do they do?

  53. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Blake-

    So why wasn’t he ?

    What happened to our esteemed PC and Manager ?

    Were they napping at the time ?

    How about Martin ? He didn’t see a problem ?

    Makes ya’ wonder.

  54. blake April 4th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    “but Kuroda will NOT suddenly have a year like Nova did last year. ”

    Why not? He’s better than Nova…..

  55. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Gammons is taking the Yanks on MLB Network to win the East. Even the Wild Thing is picking the Yanks.

  56. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Let’s just say that Pineda’s start wasn’t the best moment for Girardi and Rothschild. Cashman needs to get his monies worth out of his pitching gurus to correct the problem.

  57. blake April 4th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    “But, he wasn’t, so now what do they do?”

    Rehab….hope he bounces back.

    MTU,

    Its a good question…..I have no idea.

  58. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Please no unseemly Kuroda negativity; I just picked up some more over 12.5 before the deadline. :oops:

  59. Crawdaddy April 4th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    I rather the pundits pick against the Yankees.

  60. blake April 4th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    “Gammons is taking the Yanks on MLB Network to win the East. Even the Wild Thing is picking the Yanks.”

    He’s resorted to the reverse Jinx……

  61. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    There was a prop bet on whether Bryce Harper will play in a big league game before the all-star break.

    Yes was at -140, No was EVEN.

    Girardi as first manager to be fired was 10/1.

  62. blake April 4th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Night guys….only one more day.

  63. Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Pineda hurt his shoulder on pitch #59 after I reviewed the tape.

  64. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    rm April 4th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
    I hope Maxwell doesn’t end up with the Red Sox.

    —-

    He would be a definite upgrade on what they got there now. Cody Ross is not the Boss, no matter how much Pete Abe tweets it.

  65. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Good night Blake.

    Sweet dreams.

    :)

  66. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Listing Kuroda as the worst Yankee starter (by wins) is atrocious. And racist.

  67. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    YT-

    Then why the heck didn’t you go out there and pull him ?

    Unforgivable.

    :(

  68. Jacques Strappe April 4th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    No negativity on Kuroda, Nick. He’ll be alright.

    The expectations from some here are just unrealistic. If Kuroda can win 16-19 games on this team, and (while pitching in the AL East) duplicate his ’11 ERA from the NL West, then CC should be good for 26 wins or more.

    Not that I wouldn’t mind … it’s just not realistic.

  69. Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Nick
    Kuroda will lead the Yankees in wins……….for the month of April :)

  70. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Craw-

    So you were unhappy with the way Girardi and Rothschild handled the situation too ?

    Interesting.

  71. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Kuroda doesn’t have to duplicate his NL ERA to win more games for the Yankees.

    You know he’s starting the second game, right?

    26 wins from CC would be nice, but I just need him to get over 17.5

  72. Joe from Long Island April 4th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    I thought randy guaranteed girardi would be fired by April 5th.

    Oh, that was supposed to be cashman fired by April 5th. My mistake.

  73. UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    I wish Cash could’ve swung a deal for Maxwell and at least get something out of it. However, other teams knew that the Yanks weren’t going to keep him. So their just going to get him now that he has been DFA’d.

  74. austinmac April 4th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Kuroda can pitch, and he can also get his fastball to 94. Don’t sell him short. He is clearly the second best of the starters in my view.

  75. Jerkface April 4th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    If Kuroda can win 16-19 games on this team, and (while pitching in the AL East) duplicate his ’11 ERA from the NL West, then CC should be good for 26 wins or more.

    This logic doesn’t make any sense. Hughes and Nova both won lots of games while being much worse pitchers than Kuroda. Garcia won 12 games in an abbreviated season and was the 2nd best pitcher on the Yankees, and the man was barely in baseball for 3 years before last season!

    Kuroda being able to win 15+ games does not mean CC Sabathia has to win 26. Ian Kennedy won 21 games, he isn’t as good as CC Sabathia. CC is able to get lots of wins because he pitches well, pitches deep into games (due to being on a longer pitch count than many), and the Yankees offense is good.

    Kuroda pitches deep into games, is very good, and will have the Yankee offense. If he has a ~3.7 ERA as I suspect, he is gonna win a lot of games. Nova and Hughes do not have secret abilities to will the team to win behind them.

  76. BD (Boston Dave) April 4th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    “Listing Kuroda as the worst Yankee starter (by wins) is atrocious.”

    ———

    but JF.

    he is only a .500 pitcher.

    get with it man.

  77. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    I would be making $50 off that bad guarantee… were I not so untrustworthy. :(

  78. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Joe-

    I don’t know about fired but if Pineda somehow busts and Jesus rakes as a Catcher things could get very interesting for Brian.

    ;)

  79. tucker April 4th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Kuroda is going to have a solid year (health permitting). Thet belief that his ERA will jump substantially because he is moving to the AL East is overstated, IMO. He knows how to pitch and has good stuff.

  80. Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    MTU-

    I called Larry on the bench phone to tell him of my observations but he waited until A-Rods error to come out and check on him. I believe he was out of there 11 pitches later after the fateful #59.

  81. BD (Boston Dave) April 4th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    “I don’t know about fired but if Pineda somehow busts and Jesus rakes as a Catcher things could get very interesting for Brian.”

    ———-

    Montero could have won the MVP for the Yanks. If they got slaughtered in the playoffs because they didn’t have the pitching, Cashman would have been on the hot seat too.

    If Pineda is unreal and Montero somehow busts, things could get very interesting for those who are posting about how bad of a trade this is.

    Gotta wait and see at this point. I’ll take another title from the Yanks. how they get it isn’t as important.

  82. BD (Boston Dave) April 4th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    “I thought randy guaranteed girardi would be fired by April 5th.

    Oh, that was supposed to be cashman fired by April 5th. My mistake.”

    ————-

    oh, that’s right.

    I guarantee neither will be fired this season. But I won’t bet Nick on that either.

    :)

  83. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Montero won’t bust; he’ll walk on rainwater in Seattle.

  84. BD (Boston Dave) April 4th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    guns drawn on Torii Hunter – yikes

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles.....ident-home

  85. Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Yankee Trader March 31st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    Rewatched Pineda’s outing again. It was the 59th pitch after a walk to Polanco that clearly something was wrong. He was grimacing and rotating his right shoulder while waiting for the next batter.
    Next pitch 79 mph curve, next pitch 88 mph fastball, next one 79 mph slider, next one 88 mph fastball that was hit to A-rod who made an error on the throw.

    This seems to be the first indication that the pitcher thru his body actions seemed to indicate something was wrong. I think his injury occured this inning, and Larry Rothschild came out to check on him after that error, pitch #63.

    By pitch #70, with no pitch above 89mph the next batter after the error, Ruiz rocked him for a double, just after Cone 1st commented that Pineda’s arm strength just wasn’t there, and Pineda was removed.

    I really think that if he was “sore” before, that he aggravated his shoulder this inning, or if he experienced no soreness before last night, that everything occured that inning.

  86. CashmanSUX April 4th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    One of the single most valuable prospects in the game today for a broken down pile of sh*t.

    Cashman strikes again!

  87. rm April 4th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    UnKnown April 4th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
    I wish Cash could’ve swung a deal for Maxwell and at least get something out of it. However, other teams knew that the Yanks weren’t going to keep him. So their just going to get him now that he has been DFA’d.

    There is a slight chance nobody claims him and Cashman can sweet talk him into staying on the Yankees instead of opting for free agency like he did with Dickerson

  88. BD (Boston Dave) April 4th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    YT,

    that doesnt sound too good on multiple levels.

    ugh

  89. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    YT-

    I’m glad you tried to talk some sense into them.

    Guess it’s not your fault after all.

    Maybe when you call again they won’t be so stubborn.

    ;)

  90. yanks 27 April 4th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    “One of the single most valuable prospects in the game today for a broken down pile of sh*t.”

    Unfortunately, I don’t know if this statement is about the Montero-Pineda trade or the Kontos-Stewart one, yet I agree on it pertaining to either.

  91. Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Doesn’t Maxwell have to pass thru waivers 1st thru the AL?
    There’s still a chance a NL team will trade for him before he’s claimed by the Orioles.

  92. MTU April 4th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Time for bed.

    Another hike day tomorrow. 2nd Rehab assignment.

    I’m tryin’ to increase my hike velocity. It’s been down a little lately.

    I’ve been sent to the minors temporarily just like Michael.

    :(

  93. Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Good night also.

  94. Jacques Strappe April 4th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jerkface:

    Fewer Red Bulls would be good for your health too.
    And if he drank more of them they still wouldn’t make Kuroda much better than a .500 pitcher.
    He’ll still beat what AJ had to offer.

    …. g’nite, all.

  95. Nick in SF April 4th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    I would bet money that Kuroda is better than a .500 pitcher with the 2012 New York Yankees.

  96. BD (Boston Dave) April 4th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Nick,

    I’m willing to bet he’ll be a .550 or better pitcher with the Yanks in 2012.

    ~ 15-12 or better

    Even 13-10 or better

  97. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    It wouldn’t kill me if he ended up being a .500 pitcher, but that would mean he’d have to lose 13 games.

  98. darbodla April 5th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Jeffrey Loria showed really poor judgment using the greatest that way when he is in that condition. That is one of the saddest things I have ever seen in sports.

  99. BD (Boston Dave) April 5th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Fine with me as well. I still wouldn’t mind doubling up if someone wants to take under .500.

  100. Deal With It April 5th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    What the hell is a ‘darbodla’ anyway ? Some sort of insect ?

  101. Pat M. April 5th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Nick in SF…….Good investments , Kuroda & Alex will pay off

  102. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Chris Stewart hit .229/.250/.314 (35 ab) in spring training for the Giants, in case anyone was wondering…

  103. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Yankee Trader April 4th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
    Doesn’t Maxwell have to pass thru waivers 1st thru the AL?
    There’s still a chance a NL team will trade for him before he’s claimed by the Orioles.

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    Maxwell would never make it to the NL. Baltimore or Cleveland will claim him first.

  104. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    The Yankees used a bunch of shoddy relievers last year. Buddy Carlyle, Scott Proctor, Raul Valdes, Sergio Mitre, amauri Sanit, Jeff Marquez, Kevin Whelan, Steve Garrison, Aaron laffey.

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    So Whelan is a “shoddy reliever” even though he had a season as good as Kontos and doing the closing for Scranton. In 89 innings, Kontos was 2nd on the team for allowing home runs with 12. sign me up.

  105. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    Yanks are whittling the payroll a little at a time. They’ve knocked $10 mil off of last year’s payroll and $16 mil since 2010.

  106. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    •Unsurprisingly, the Yankees top baseball with a $197.9MM payroll according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter links). It’s their lowest payroll since 2007. The Padres bring up the rear at $53.9MM.

  107. m April 5th, 2012 at 1:55 am

    GB7,

    I like that they’re doing it at a reasonable rate. The continuity will help them play at a high level even a’s they transition to food stamp status. :(

  108. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 1:59 am

    Chris Stewart hit .229/.250/.314 (35 ab) in spring training for the Giants, in case anyone was wondering…

    Midseason form I see

  109. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 2:01 am

    So Whelan is a “shoddy reliever” even though he had a season as good as Kontos and doing the closing for Scranton.

    Shoddy in their performance that season definitely. He had a 5.4 ERA in 1 inning and put 5 men on base. Sorry you seem to confuse a result based definition with overall player evaluation, but maybe you’re still wrapping your brain around Kontos’ options.

  110. m April 5th, 2012 at 2:08 am

    Oh, good grief, Pete!

    He argued for Bard as a starter today.

    But he used Joba as an example. “Remember Joba Chamberlain? First he was a starter, then a reliever, then a starter, then a reliever. Then he had elbow surgery and now his career seems ruined.”

    If his career is ruined, it has nothing to with on the field stuff or front office decisions.

    Seriously, total logic fail. I’m embarrassed for him!

  111. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 2:17 am

    You’re basing their value on 1 and 6 innings? Jesus…you really are pathetic. Your need to argue over anything and especially over a low end reliever with no future in NY is a sign of deep emotional issues. Even the Padres returned him after the Rule 5 draft in 2010.

  112. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 2:49 am

    No, I am not basing their value on 1 and 6 innings. Your continued ability to both misunderstand, misrepresent, and hyperbolize arguments serves no one on this blog but yourself. If you look at the collected group of pitchers I listed, there total performance relating to the Yankees in 2011 was not good. Aggregate, they were awful and below average. So if you replace all the disparate 1-20 innings that these guys pitched, with a league average reliever, the Yankees would be a better team. That was the only point, trying to represent what giving away a player that could be a passable reliever for the Yankees for a glorified Non-roster invitee could be worth if they took the place of the cornucopia of bad performances that occurred last year.

    Who cares if the Padres returned Kontos? They returned Ivan Nova, boo on them, lucky for the Yankees. Shane Victorino was returned from the Rule 5 and then elected free agency, where he was signed by the phillies. Good for them, boo on the team that returned him.

    You cannot debate well, because you say things that make no sense or are easily countered, or that only exist in a debate you think people are having (but they’re not).

  113. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 2:50 am

    Suck it forever, good night.

  114. Sock Puppet April 5th, 2012 at 4:31 am

    You guys seem like close personal friends.

  115. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 5:52 am

    Well, you got old school versus stat boy.

  116. lounge lizard April 5th, 2012 at 6:49 am

    This is the database for Nightengale’s $197.9M Yankee payroll figure. If that seems lower than some other figures that have been tossed out, it’s because it only includes players on the roster, so it leaves out the $11.5M the Yanks are paying Burnett this year.

    http://content.usatoday.com/sp.....aries/2012

  117. blake April 5th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Cots has the Yanks at 209 and change.

  118. CashmanSUX April 5th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 1:59 am
    Chris Stewart hit .229/.250/.314 (35 ab) in spring training for the Giants, in case anyone was wondering…
    ==========================
    Midseason form I see
    ==========================
    You’re giving him too much credit… That’s a career year, based on the num’s I saw.

    That said, he’s a very good defensive catcher, and this move was about nothing more than organizational depth. And who gives a crap about Cervelli? He’s as common as they come. At least Stewart is a plus defender.

  119. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    thank you , thank you, thank you

    for the yankees listening to me that they couldn’t continue having a catcher throw out 14% of runners.

    i am surprised that they reacted so quickly.

    i guess brian is reading the blog more closely now.

  120. blake April 5th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Randy,

    I thought a catchers only job was to keep the ball from hitting the backstop :)

  121. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Randy and Brian sitting in a tree.

  122. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    gee what a surprise, pineda being a topic for a post.

    the guy’s gonna be high maintenance… already is actually.

    gotta learn a plus change

    gotta get some mph back

    gotta get in shape

    gotta learn not to tear up when things go bad

    gotta learn not to smile too much when things go well

    gotta a lot to learn

  123. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Cervelli has thrown out only 14% of basestealers the past two years. 79 sb, 13 cs. That’s pretty bad. His error rate is also high.

    I think that’s the real reason, not so much organizational depth.

  124. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Morning Randy.

    I knew you’d be happy about that one.

    ;)

  125. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    jacksquat, I agree with you and Randy. The horror!

  126. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Pineda will be alright just need some more direction about what it means to be a Yankee.

  127. blake April 5th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    I think it was a depth move….Cervelli is a better hitter so you’re trading his offense and knowledge of the staff for a better arm behind the plate 1 game a week…..I don’t know that that’s a fair trade really…..I wonder if the Yanks secretly have knowledge that maybe the pitchers don’t like throwing to him or something

  128. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    And you got your wish about Pineda being sent to the minors.

    Even though it was roundabout.

    Hope they handle that situation well going forward.

    Otherwise it’s another lost opportunity.

  129. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Blake,

    The move was made for more than one reason.

  130. blake April 5th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    “The move was made for more than one reason.”

    Probably….most are.

  131. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I’m starting to think that maybe the Yankees are a bit too neurotic about wanting high D Catchers who do not hit all that well.

    ;)

  132. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Knowing that Maxwell will most likely not clear waivers, snapped up by the likes of the bottom 4 teams in the AL last year-Twins, Orioles, Mariners, A’s, is a NL team still able to swing a trade with the Yankees before an AL team jumps in, or do they have to wait until the waiver is officially over?

  133. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Today’s the day.

    :)

  134. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    “I thought a catchers only job was to keep the ball from hitting the backstop ”

    blake -

    that’s his first job.

    when you catch a knuckleball pitcher, you really become aware of it :)

    cervelli was being carried by girardi because he obviously has taken a liking to the kid.

    that’s all well and good , but 14% throwing out runners would start to be affecting opposing managers game plan and putting stress on pitchers.

    it’s funny to me that i was just ragging on cervelli’s throwing and out of the blue they pick up a good throwing catcher a day or two later.

    on a serious note, i think they were really hoping cervelli’s arm would come back to what it used to be because it’s not ideal bringing in a catcher at the end of spring training.

    it would have been optimal to have the back up catcher be familiar with the pitchers going into opening day.

  135. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    A trade could still be made, but, few if any team would trade if they could get him for the waiver price. He’d still have to be on that team’s 25 man roster all year and would need room on their 40 man roster to claim him.

  136. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Randy-

    Stewart may throw out a bunch of runners but he can’t hit his way out of a wet paper bag.

  137. Villa Nova-Ya April 5th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Gee what a surprise that a young player may have to learn a few things.

    AJ Burnett was high maintenance.

    I don’t recall anyone on the Yankees ever claiming that Pineda was a finished product. I’d say he is about average maintenance wise given where he is in his career.

  138. Cashmoney April 5th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    morning all.
    looks like G wanna better backup D behind the plate and the move in fact adds depth, the two things aren’t mutually exclusive. if the premise is a game a week, then Cerv’s arguably better bat is probably not valued as high as chris’ D in Yankees opinion. The fact that stewart will be the backup indicates that Yanks thinks he is an upgrade I can only assume.

  139. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Cervelli is a .272 career hitter, Stewart .200.

    I had wondered if one of the reasons that he is going to AAA is his familiarity with the pitchers, assigned there.

  140. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    “Pineda will be alright just need some more direction about what it means to be a Yankee.”

    double horror, as i agree with that.

    but when you think about it, the yankees have sabathia, pettitte, and mariano to show pineda the way to be a yankee pitcher.

    with the right patience, the kid should get it down.

    the key is letting him learn at a slow pace.

    what i’m hoping for is that the yankees jump out to a solid start with all the pitchers doing well.

    this will take away any yankee temptation to rush pineda’s rehab.

  141. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    YT-

    The reason is because the Yankees value D over O in their Catchers.

    By a wide margin.

  142. Cashmoney April 5th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    MTU
    stewart’s offensive stats look non existent but perhaps he can benefit by being in the better lineup and maybe better offensive park? one can hope.

  143. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Randy-

    “this will take away any yankee temptation to rush pineda’s rehab.”

    Must not happen !

  144. Villa Nova-Ya April 5th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    At least Stewart is familiar with the organization.

    He is a BUC. traditionally, aren’t these stronger defensively? He likely will not be playing a whole heck of a lot.

  145. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Well, I don’t see how the Yankees will rush Pineda’s rehab when Pettitte will most likely beat him to Yankee Stadium?

  146. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Cash-

    Don’t hold your breath.

    The guy has a noodle bat.

  147. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    He doesn’t have a noodle arm though.

  148. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    NYYs needed a spare catcher so they made the move. None of the other catchers at Tampa and Charleston are ready to get moved up. A promotion would only happen if there was an injury. As soon as Romine is healthy enough to play, he’ll play in Scranton and Thurman Cervelli will be back in NY and get ready to write his HOF induction speech.

  149. blake April 5th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Randy,

    Cervelli can actually hit a little though…..he actually provides very little drop off in that area from Martin……..

    They need to make Martin rest…..he will play every day if you let him ……he’s pretty good when he’s healthy and rested…..at least defensively….so they need to keep him that way……

  150. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    GB-

    I am asking if a NL team wants Maxwell, for instance the Astros with the lowest wins,56, can they now work a trade with the Yankees, BEFORE, an AL team takes him off the waiver wire, or do they have to wait for the waiver process to finish[isn't it 48 hours?]

    I understand what you are saying. I’m just wondering if the Yankees can still get something for Maxwell from a NL team that knows one of the teams in the AL, through the assigned pecking order, will likely snap him up.

  151. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Craw-

    No he doesn’t but he’s an automatic out.

    It’s like I said. The Yankees are placing a very high value on the D over the O.

  152. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Cash-

    Don’t hold your breath.

    The guy has a noodle bat.

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    Who do you recommend the Yanks trade to get an available stud catcher and who would that be?

  153. Bronx Jeers April 5th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Bochy on the trade:

    “We hammed-and-egged it with those two, stayed in first place until the first of August,” said Bochy, who thanked Stewart when informing him of the trade. “The Yankees have been asking for a while. They got a little bit more aggressive recently. The way the team was shaking up, we thought we could make this move.”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....z1rASwxlYe

  154. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Scioscia seems to have the same perspective as Girardi as he liked Jeff Mathis (another noodle bat)
    over a guy like Napoli.

    Joke was they wound up having to trade for Chris Ianetta who could actually hit a little.

    Pretty funny.

    :)

  155. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    GB-

    I would not have sent Cervelli down.

    ;)

  156. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    GB-

    My first choice for a young established catcher would be Matt Wieters, but I’m not trading Hughes, Banuelos, Sanchez, and Williams for him. :)

  157. Villa Nova-Ya April 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    GB7

    A stud back up catcher, at that. Which is kind of a contradiction in terms. ;)

  158. Cashmoney April 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    It is all relative I think … the ‘problem’ is cervelli can hit ‘little’ but not a lot. I look at almost as an Ramiro Pena vs Nunez situation, except Nunez probably gets to play a lot more than stewart would since he is backup a few positions. Romine needs to get healthy and start playing… cuz he presents an upgrade other both stewart and cervelli imo… we will when or if Romine is healthy what the Yanks would do. This might be a very short term move. The Giants probably got good value in Kontos.

  159. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Villa Nova-Ya April 5th, 2012 at 8:05 am
    Gee what a surprise that a young player may have to learn a few things.

    AJ Burnett was high maintenance.

    I don’t recall anyone on the Yankees ever claiming that Pineda was a finished product. I’d say he is about average maintenance wise given where he is in his career.

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    Maybe some posters know about being high maintance from personal experience. :D:

  160. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Trader, he’s still got to clear the American League before the NL gets a crack at him. Yeah, they can still trade Maxwell. If he clears all 29 other teams, the Yanks could re-sign him to a minor league deal.

  161. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    And for the record, I’m not real wild about Martin’s bat either.

    Go Sanchez. Go Murphy.

    :)

  162. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:20 am
    GB-

    I would not have sent Cervelli down.

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    Not sure sending Martin down was going to be well received anywhere but LoHud. There was no other options without carrying 3 catchers.

  163. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    blake-

    cervelli hits enough that if he gets his throwing back to what it was he could be a starter somewhere.

    it’s a puzzle what happened to his arm.

    i think he’s had some kid of arm soreness that they have tried to hide.

    the tailing away throws toward right field show somethings wrong.

    he’ll be back up to the majors.

    it’s just a little speed bump for him.

    he just needs to stay away from concussions while he’s down there.

  164. Crawdaddy April 5th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    The trade yesterday surprised the fanbase, but after some time to think about it, what happened yesterday really isn’t that big of a deal if you think about its effect over a 162 game season.

  165. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    GB-

    I would not have acquired Stewart so it only would have been 2.

    :)

  166. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:26 am
    GB-

    I would not have acquired Stewart so it only would have been 2.

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    What about needing another catcher at AAA is so hard to understand. It wasn’t designed to annoy you. There was a NEED.

  167. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    GB-

    I’m not sure you answered my question. Now that he’s been put on waivers, must the process play out in toto, or can a NL team jump in and trade for him, knowing an AL team will take him.
    I know how the waiver process works in terms of “pecking” order, and I realize that he’s going to one of the teams that will include him on the 25 man roster.

    Do you ever sleep BTW?

  168. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Why not move up Molina or Gil ?

    Are they that terrible ?

    And I never said it was designed to annoy me nor am I all that annoyed.

    Last I checked the Yankees didn’t give a rat’s rear what I think.

    :)

  169. rl1856 April 5th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    I suppose we should be happy with what was in effect Pettite’s first spring start. Gun had him at 86, with a few reports of up to 88. Just a few ticks down from his recent FB average. I do expect increased velocity with more arm strength. What is key for him is control and pitch movement. Looking at Pitch Fx, it seems he changed how he pitched in 2010, which may account for the wonderful results pre injury. 2010 vs 2009: Velocity about the same. Slightly fewer FB, about 5% MORE cutters and curves, slightly more changeups. Slider was eliminated entirely. Looks to me that he went to more offspead stuff, while keeping the same FB. Could he still pitch like this ? Probably. Will he have the same results in 2012 as he had in 2010 (pre injury)? Probably not.

    Staff predictions for the season:

    CC 18w low-mid 3 ERA / 220 ip Mr Consistency
    Kuroda 15w around 4 ERA / 200 ip Innings eater, offense gets him w / jump in ERA
    Hughes 15w mid 3 ERA / 180 ip Not as good as ’10, but consistent season
    Nova 15w around 4 ERA / 180 ip Slight regression, still very very good

    Garcia / Petitte combined 12-14w low 4 ERA /150 ip

    Petitte takes Garcia’s spot, neither will pitch deep into games.

    Pineda ???? I will be surprised if we see him for more than a few starts this year.

    I think our starters can earn 85 W on a team capable of winning 100 games.

    Bullpen

    Rivera 35 saves under 2 ERA
    Robertson 5 saves 2 ish ERA
    Sorianno 5 saves 2-2.5 ERA

    Joba will be back after the AS break. About a K/ip and a low 2 ERA. He will be in the late inning mix.

    FYI- most are picking Montero to finish at #3 in AL ROY.

  170. Erin April 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Morning LoHudders

    Gossip Break: Yankee Offspring Edition

    http://www.justjared.com/2012/.....daughters/

  171. Cashmoney April 5th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Anyone thinks Cincy is committing too long on Votto’s contract and consequently too much money?

  172. LGY April 5th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    The Yankees “aggressively” targeted Chris Stewart? :shock:

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “I’m disappointed with this, but that’s never going to change anything. All my life I’ve had to do things, and I’ve had to do it double, triple. If they want me to prove that I can catch in the big leagues, I’ll go and prove it, that I have to be here. … I don’t understand their reason. I think maybe you’ve got to ask Cash, or somebody else. Maybe the other guy is better than I am right now. Just play baseball, no matter where it is, and show them that I’m a big league catcher, like they say.”

    Gotta love that kid.

    Look, sometimes things are actually what they seem. This could be one of the times. Romine is hurt. You know how quickly things can go south. Remember when both Jorge AND Molina were down a few seasons ago? They apparently aren’t impressed enough with Gustavo to consider him the backup right now. (Nova’s HR was the kiss of death ;) ) If Stewart has great defense, seriously, bully for us. That’s what I personally want to see behind the plate. And if Stewart is out of options but Cervelli is not, well then that makes sense.

    I love Cervelli. I expect to see him back up at some point – or starting somewhere.

    All of that said – and I will say it again – I don’t really recognize this iteration of the Ys organization very well. I don’t have a handle on what they’re all about.

  174. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:31 am
    GB-

    I’m not sure you answered my question. Now that he’s been put on waivers, must the process play out in toto, or can a NL team jump in and trade for him, knowing an AL team will take him.
    I know how the waiver process works in terms of “pecking” order, and I realize that he’s going to one of the teams that will include him on the 25 man roster.

    Do you ever sleep BTW?

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    If an NL team offers NY a deal before the 48 hour period is up, sure, they can get him.

  175. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    The BUC situation is small change right now.

    I’m a little concerned about how the relief staff is shaking out for the first month of the season, especially since the majority of games in the month of April are against >.500 teams and potential contenders.

    Logan-The only lefty who can actually get some righties out[ironically had reverse splits last year] has issues with his bsck.
    Rapada- faces one lefty than likely yanked
    Wade-looking off this ST. Who replaces him-another SP callup, like Mitchell
    Phelps-like him but he has starter material and now will be asked to come in and pitch multiple innings, maybe 1-2 times per week.
    Soriano-not exactly lights out like he was with Tampa
    Robertson-Did he get enough innings in after the at home injury
    Rivera= Not worried. He’s ready!!

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    “All of that said – and I will say it again – I don’t really recognize this iteration of the Ys organization very well. I don’t have a handle on what they’re all about.”

    I mean that in a generic sense. Lots of moves, certain comments. Don’t really know who they are anymore.

  177. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    YT-

    Maybe you worry too much.

    ;)

  178. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    GB-

    Thanks, but you still didn’t answer my other question.

    Do you ever sleep?

    Just kidding!

  179. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:32 am
    Why not move up Molina or Gil ?

    Are they that terrible ?

    And I never said it was designed to annoy me nor am I all that annoyed.

    Last I checked the Yankees didn’t give a rat’s rear what I think.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Molina’s gone. All of the catchers in AAA and AA are back-ups.

    Really, though. Why all of the hand wringing over a back-up catcher for a month or so and the last pitcher on the AAA roster? They’re all expendable.

  180. Erin April 5th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Trish-I feel so bad for Cervelli. What a disappointment. I’m hoping he’ll be back with the big boys before too long.

    If somebody already posted this, just ignore me. ;)

    NoMaas @nomaas **NoMaas Exclusive** Photos of Cashman?s meeting with Cervelli http://bit.ly/I4sn73 #fb

  181. Bret The Hitman April 5th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Cervelli has thrown out only 14% of basestealers the past two years. 79 sb, 13 cs. That’s pretty bad. His error rate is also high.

    I think that’s the real reason, not so much organizational depth.

    **********

    I agree. He’s probably the odd man out, so get something for him while you can. He’s worth far more than Kontos in a trade.

  182. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    YT-

    You’ll get gray hair like me.

    :)

  183. Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Trisha-

    Cervelli quote-” I don’t understand their reason.”

    I certainly hope that Girardi called him into the office and sat down with him and explained why he was being sent down, before the media got to him. Of course maybe he did and was so dejected when he heard he was being sent down, that he heard little else after being told.

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Wish Yanks Opening Day didn’t start on Good Friday. (Kind of like Koufax and Yom Kippur, though obviously that’s a Jewish example.)

    Will get the information and how everyone looked, etc., later on.

    I will accept all chart information, however, that is posted before game time and add it to the chart on Saturday.

    Anyone who wants to add to the Sux prediction chart has to do it before the start of today’s game.

    If you want to be eligible to win the prize of prizes, you will need to give me predictions for both charts.

    2012 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

  185. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Yankee Trader April 5th, 2012 at 8:44 am
    GB-

    Thanks, but you still didn’t answer my other question.

    Do you ever sleep?

    Just kidding!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m sort of at the stall point of working on the house (money), so I sleep for an hour or two at a time. It’s a habit that I acquired after 35 years in the military. I had very few 8 straight hours sleep periods.

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    Wher do you find these sites?
    Loved the superimposed pictures. Is Cervelli getting in the car mean he’s about to get garroted by the stooge sitting in the back seat?

  192. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 8:54 am

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    “He’s been here the last three years basically for us. He got called up and kind of burst on the scene in 2009 because of some injuries, and this was a tough one. Our depth for catching with Romine getting hurt was really thin. We know how quick it can happen for a catcher, but it was tough. It’s as tough as I’ve had to do.”

    I would have to believe that Girardi of all people sat him down and really did everything he could to boost his confidence and make him feel as good as he could about the move. But as you said, it’s possible that he wasn’t really hearing anything.

    Of course I feel really bad for him. I also believe that if they acquired someone with options, Cervelli would still be up. But at zero hour, you’re probably not scouring for someone who’s just “okay”.

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    Yeah, poor Cerv is Carlo in their scenario.

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    cervelli really needs to work on his arm strength and health with long toss.

    his throws were not just erratic, they were weak.

    as a catcher, nothing makes you feel worse than having a weak arm. it’s very un- macho .

    cervelli threw pretty well when he came up.

    something happened in the past few years and i’m guessing it’s just a plain old sore arm that girardi went as far as he could go with.

    pitchers will cover a guy for awhile, but at a certain point they are not going to want to have to be slide stepping all the time or throwing more fastballs than they want to give cervelli a chance.

    going down could actually give cervelli the best chance at starting somewhere. if he can can his throwing out runners up to 30% , he’d be looking at a starting position somewhere with big bucks following.

    he should loo at it as a step back to tae a step ahead.

    but for him not to acknowledge that his throwing was unacceptably bad shows a lack of knowing what he has to do.

    it’s very specific.

    learn throw out 30% of runners.

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