Regular lineup tomorrow, Nunez on Saturday
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 05, 2012 
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Joe Girardi said there will be no surprises in his Opening Day lineup. Hell use the same group that started those late spring games, with Nick Swisher batting sixth and Raul Ibanez seventh.
The lineup will change on Saturday, with Girardi planning to start Eduardo Nunez at shortstop or third while giving either Alex Rodriguez or Derek Jeter an early DH day. Thats going to be the regular plan against lefties. Might as well do it in Game Two against David Price.
For those of you who love numbers…
Chris Stewart will be wearing No. 19, David Phelps is No. 41 and Clay Rapada is No. 39.
I hate Ibanez batting ahead of Martin.
By admitting that Cervelli would be the starter if Martin got hurt…..they are essentially saying that Cervelli is a better player than Stewart…..and that having slightly more catching depth is more important than the 30 or so games that a BUC typically catches…….which IMO is crazy as a thought process…..
Eduardo hit pretty darn well vs. righties in 2010. I wouldn’t mind occasionally seeing what he can do vs. RHP, considering our dearth of decent numbers on that front.
does Rich in NJ get an award for the first complaint of the 2012 regular season? Or should that contest start at 3pm tomorrow?
Pruf, Delcarmen is finally listed as Game 1 pitcher on SWB site; no Game 2 listed yet. But the story today had Betances pitching tomorrow, as per the order I projected: “Delcarmen will be followed by Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos, Mitchell and Warren in the rotation, with Ortiz likely to assume his spot after that.” Collins may have just had a brain cramp and put the wrong day…
Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/sp…..z1rBIMqEaE
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Yankeefem, thanks. Let’s hope it’s Dellin. Generally, the separation from the B’s and their starts this season are going to be rough! Those awful cameras won’t make up for it, methinks
. The last thing I will do is depend on “scouts” who say things like, “Betances’ curveball stands in the way of him becoming a ML starter” 
I hope he proves me wrong, but I have a feeling we’re going to get pretty sick of Nunez if he’s going to play as much as it appears.
It’ll be interesting to watch Banuelos throwing the cutter. Wonder what camera is like from LHV. We’ll get a preview tonight.
blake, does that mean they think defensive catching is not all it is cracked up to be? Why would they want Cervy over Stewart if catching defense rules? May as well have Montero back there.
Pruf, yeah would love to know if I am or am not going to LHV tomorrow.
“does Rich in NJ get an award for the first complaint of the 2012 regular season? Or should that contest start at 3pm tomorrow?”
Given the dumb moves they sometimes make, I’ll wear it loud and proud.
Rich, what was your complaint?
If I’m going to expand Nunez’s playing time, it’s gonna be in the OF. Every ball he throws away when playing the IF, just lessens his trade value. Ya get talk about him replacing Jeet, but that’s hogwash. You hold your breath with Every IF throw he makes.
YF,
Yea…I mean BUCs play a lot….so if you think Cervelli is better than Stewart then shy have him at AAA in the name of having a little more depth….especially when the depth isn’t all that good…..its a curious move….oh well.
I don’t think there’s any problem with having Nunez in the lineup against lefties. The guy can hit and has a pretty good glove. Chad said Nunez came to camp much stronger and bigger and an eye test confirmed it when watching Spring training games.
I think Chris Stewart is a mistake — why bring someone into the organization who doesn’t even know the pitchers? He will only be here a couple of months probably and we’re going to essentially teach him how all of our pitchers throw. Cervi was a serviceable backup who could provide a groundball up the middle or a double from time to time. His energy was infectious. Is there really an upgrade here?
I am not so sure that I agree with Rich on the Martin vs. Ibanez thing. Martin had a decent year last year, but I don’t know that he’s going to repeat that power production from the right side. He’s a very good catcher overall and I love the fact that he’s on the Yankees, but batting Ibanez ahead of him against righties seems like the right move. You have a guy hitting from the left side of the plate, with the right field balcony beckoning him. I’m sure Girardi will move his lineup around at the bottom half as the season goes. Let’s see how Raul performs before saying Martin should be ahead of him against righties.
blake April 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
By admitting that Cervelli would be the starter if Martin got hurt…..they are essentially saying that Cervelli is a better player than Stewart…..and that having slightly more catching depth is more important than the 30 or so games that a BUC typically catches…….which IMO is crazy as a thought process…..
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Yeah I’m trying to follow that logic too…
I don’t think Cash is just blowing smoke either, because I doubt saying this would increase any of Cervelli’s trade value. It just really makes me wonder… was the plan honestly to have Romine be the back up by mid season?? Or is he just the next guy on the depth chart they would have felt ok with having be the back up if it was completely necessary?
yf
That I didn’t swear an oath of fealty?
I admit that every roster spot plays a role in a WS victory (ask Jose Molina about his 2 rings), but are we really spending this much time debating Cervelli/Stewart/Romine? Other than our emotional ties to Cervelli as a home grown kid, do you really think it matters who is back there out of these 3 BUC types?
“why bring someone into the organization who doesn’t even know the pitchers?”
That’s the part that might be most curious about the move… the lateness. The first time he catches these guys in a game will be in games that count.
Before I forget –
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Hassey April 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I admit that every roster spot plays a role in a WS victory (ask Jose Molina about his 2 rings), but are we really spending this much time debating Cervelli/Stewart/Romine? Other than our emotional ties to Cervelli as a home grown kid, do you really think it matters who is back there out of these 3 BUC types?
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Its the only move that’s been made in the last 48 hours… is it that big of a deal to discuss it?
If this move wasn’t at the C position it would probably attract less attention.. but you can’t blame people for wondering out loud (on a Yankees blog, no less) why we seem so suddenly concerned with our catching depth.
was the plan honestly to have Romine be the back up by mid season?? Or is he just the next guy on the depth chart they would have felt ok with having be the back up if it was completely necessary?
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Shame, I have a feeling it’s the latter, but I have no idea. Very strange move. And they broke up (at least temporarily) the famous C is for CC and Cervelli duo!!
Obviously it matters to Cashman or he would NOT have sacked Cervelli. As I said, More to this than meets the eye.
“Other than our emotional ties to Cervelli as a home grown kid, do you really think it matters who is back there out of these 3 BUC types?”
Who knows if it will or not…..Stewart will probably play 30 or so games as a typical BUC…..which means his zero bat will be in the lineup 30 times…..would Cervelli being in there allow an extra win or two because he’s a better hitter? …who knows……if the race is tight for the division then marginal differences like that can matter……
“I admit that every roster spot plays a role in a WS victory (ask Jose Molina about his 2 rings), but are we really spending this much time debating Cervelli/Stewart/Romine? Other than our emotional ties to Cervelli as a home grown kid, do you really think it matters who is back there out of these 3 BUC types?”
For the record (wherever it is) I have no attachment to Cervelli.
I do have an attachment to smart baseball decisions, and apart from signing Kuroda, I’m not seeing a whole lot of it this offseason.
Whether or not you like it, is irrelevant.
Blake,
By your argument of marginal differences, shutting down the running game can be the difference, too.
Erin April 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
was the plan honestly to have Romine be the back up by mid season?? Or is he just the next guy on the depth chart they would have felt ok with having be the back up if it was completely necessary?
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Shame, I have a feeling it’s the latter, but I have no idea. Very strange move. And they broke up (at least temporarily) the famous C is for CC and Cervelli duo!!
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It makes sense to some degree.. though I also wonder why they even signed Molina if they don’t even trust him to back up the back up.
“For the record (wherever it is) I have no attachment to Cervelli.”
Seconded. Admittedly, I liked when he referred to himself in the third person.. but other than that I could take him or leave him.
“By your argument of marginal differences, shutting down the running game can be the difference, too.”
Ill take the offense as making a bigger difference….most bases are stolen off the pitcher anyway.
“Other than our emotional ties to Cervelli as a home grown kid, do you really think it matters who is back there out of these 3 BUC types?”
Who knows if it will or not…..Stewart will probably play 30 or so games as a typical BUC…..which means his cannon arm will be in the field 30 times…..would Cervelli being in there allow an extra loss or two because he can’t throw anyone out and sails so many throws into centerfield? …who knows……if the race is tight for the division then marginal differences like that can matter……
(just saying…)
Rich – Might Chad know where to find the record? Only then can we judge what’s irrelevant.
I don’t have an attachment to Cervelli either….but I think it was a bit of a bush league move by the Yankees to drop that on him out of the blue yesterday…….especially when they are choosing to carry a player by their own admission who isn’t as good as him.
Nick,
Less likely IMO.
I do have an attachement to Cervelli (we do exist!
) and while I guess I can understand their reasons, I hate how they waited until the last possible second to tell him.
I know everyone is upset for Cervelli, but let?s be honest, he is not very good unless he improves significantly. As a backup catcher, I would rather have a good defensive catcher with the knowledge you pinch hit in a key spot. Stewart is a very good defensive catcher and removing emotion, is better than cervelli. it amazes me how people look at the offensive numbers and say, ?this move doesn?t make sense?? and they just dismiss the defensive differential. Not taking anything but throwing into account I would bet if you took the SB?s into account, Stewart would look better than Cervelli?s (and this does not take into account the pitchers extra work in keeping a runner close and throwing more fastballs etc?
BTW, I use 2 SB?s for every CS and any additional SB?s would be subtracted from the catchers offense. So if they allowed 10 SB?s and had one CS that would be 8 extra bases subtracted for offense as an example. This works for adding to the slug/OPS of an offensive player as well.
In gerenal people dismiss defense because they can?t really see it?it is why Gardner is far more valuable than people realize
Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
“does Rich in NJ get an award for the first complaint of the 2012 regular season? Or should that contest start at 3pm tomorrow?”
Given the dumb moves they sometimes make, I’ll wear it loud and proud.
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Please do. I, for one, won’t mind if you piss off the totalitarians around here
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More importantly – what is the over/under on CC’s weight as of 10/1/12?
Yankees Roster Roundup
Posted Apr. 5, 2012 8:06 am by John Manuel
Filed under: Roster Analysis
Loaded Roster
As expected, the Yankees sent many key players from last year’s Rookie-level Gulf Coast League and short-season New York-Penn League championship teams to low Class A Charleston, which might have the most prospect-laden roster in the minors. Catcher Gary Sanchez repeats the level where he slugged .485 as an 18-year-old but struggled defensively. He’s joined in the infield with New York’s last two top draft picks, third baseman Dante Bichette Jr. (2011) and shortstop Cito Culver (2010), plus 2010 second-rounder Angelo Gumbs at second. The organization’s top position player prospect, Mason Williams, patrols center field with Tyler Austin, who also will play some first base, shifted to right field. The outfield also includes Ben Gamel (younger brother of Milwaukee’s Mat Gamel) and Kelvin de Leon, still raw at 21. Righthander Jose Campos, acquired from the Mariners with Michael Pineda in the trade that sent Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi to Seattle, headlines the rotation along with righty Bryan Mitchell.
Leap Of Faith
Righthander Mark Montgomery, an 11th-round pick out of Longwood last year, is headed to Double-A Trenton. His plus slider helped him jump on the fast track. Also, the Yankees stuck an all-prospect rotation on what is essentially a travel team. The Triple-A Empire State Yankees will be based out of Rochester but will play home games all over New York State with a rotation led by lefthander Manny Banuelos and including righthanders Dellin Betances and Adam Warren. Catcher Austin Romine will handle the staff, whose biggest obstacle likely will be fatigue.
Where Is That Guy?
Outfielder Ravel Santana is in extended spring training as he takes a slow road back from his broken ankle. Several younger prospects are with him, from 2011 draftees such as Jake Cave and Greg Bird to international signees Claudio Custodio and Isaias Tejada. Mexican League veteran Jorge Vazquez, who hit 32 home runs for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, was released, according to the Scranton (Pa.) Times-Tribune.
Time Is Running Out
Two years ago, Brandon Laird was the Double-A Eastern League’s MVP and earning comparisons to second-division everyday third basemen such as Kevin Kouzmanoff. The Yankees, who could use some righthanded power, gave him some time in left field last year but found he fits better as a corner infielder than as a utility player. He’s back in Triple-A and will have to hit his way onto a big league roster.
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....r-roundup/
Agreed, but we don’t really know what particular event the outcome of a game might hinge on. Maybe Cervelli would win a few games with his bat or maybe he would get those extra hits in losses or in games they might win anyway. Maybe Stewarts handful of hits will be brilliantly distributed and he’ll win a game or two with his own bat. Or maybe the runner he guns down won’t be able to score the winning run for the opposition. It’s all pure speculation both ways and for all we know they’re going to sneak Stewart through waivers in a few weeks and bring back Cervelli. But until then, I guess this is just more evidence that Cashman and Girardi despise run scoring and don’t want the Yankees to do it… ever. They took away our Cervelli!
Can we all at least agree that, on a good day, Cashman’s stalker probably looks pretty good?
“In gerenal people dismiss defense because they can?t really see it?it is why Gardner is far more valuable than people realize”
I don’t dismiss defense……especially at catcher…..but if Stewart can’t hit at all then is his better throwing going to outweigh the fact that Cervelli can at least contribute something offensively? I don’t know…..as I said earlier it wouldn’t shock me if some of the Yankee pitchers have voiced that they don’t like throwing to Cervelli…..Stewart doesn’t know the staff…..he can’t hit….you’re asking for his throwing to cover a lot I think…..but anyway…..
1 game into the season and Joe is going to give Alex or Jeter a DH day?
“I guess this is just more evidence that Cashman and Girardi despise run scoring and don’t want the Yankees to do it… ever.”
Run prevention!
Seconded. Admittedly, I liked when he referred to himself in the third person..
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Could this have been his death knell?
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“Run prevention” co-opted by Theo by his Theo wannabe friend.
I’m all for a lively discussion on anything to do with the Yankees, but for people to keep saying they don’t understand this catching move , makes no sense.
Cash and Gerardi have both said it was for catching depth. They needed another major ready catcher, and since Stewart is out of options, Cisco goes to AAA. If Martin goes down, they have 2 big league ready catchers.
You don’t have to like it, but it is easy to understand why they did it.
But until then, I guess this is just more evidence that Cashman and Girardi despise run scoring and don?t want the Yankees to do it? ever. They took away our Cervelli!
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Go Verlander…..these two teams should have a bunting contest given the two guys playing 3B…..
Does Nunez playing regularly vs lefties mean no Gardner vs lefties?
I prefer to look at the bright side and not miss what’s really important. In this case, that is the fact that Those With No Tears In Their Eyes have been upgraded from authoritarians to totalitarians. I call that progress.
I prefer to look at the bright side and not miss what’s really important.
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Nick, I’m actually fine with the dark side, given the dark side has been described by one of the harshest Yankees critics as being 97 wins.
With dark sides like that…
The lack of ironic self-awareness is what makes this forum as special as it is.
Could the logic behind Cervelli being sent down be that he’ll get more playing time in AAA?
As Martin’s backup on the major league team he’d play every 5th day or so, while in AAA he might sit only every 4th or 5th day.
If they are going to platoon Gardner then they might as well trade him while his value is high……I don’t get why they just don’t let him play…..they need to find out if he’s an every day option longterm……and his defense plays no matter who is pitching against them.
If Gardner is far more valuable than people realize because of his defense, why are the Yankees paying Andruw Jones $2-3M a year so that Gardner sits on the bench against a lefty in the second game of the year? Do “people” include the Yankees themselves?
Fast forwarding to the most important games of the year, what’s the playoff lineup vs a lefty? Does Nunez sit if he has a good year? Is Gardner asked to hit against lefties when he mostly hasn’t? Is his defense wasted on the bench?
Point is that it is much better to have an all around player so that you don’t need to make these decisions. Granderson will get some rest againt lefties too, but the Yanks could pay someone the minimum for that. The wouldn’t need Jones’s salary or the lineup dilemmas.
Cervelli had a knack for contributing to a rally but I’ll admit that may be just my imagination.
Anyone else think he did this?
“Could the logic behind Cervelli being sent down be that he’ll get more playing time in AAA?”
He’s not a prospect…..he’s a back up catcher
Holy cow!
Opening day for ANKSY is tomorrow!
Finally!
J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Seconded. Admittedly, I liked when he referred to himself in the third person..
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Could this have been his death knell?
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I get ya. Not team-oriented enough for Joe G.; he wanted Cervy to say “we.”
Cervy’s D has degenerated; it’s been pretty bad. So, I don’t think anyone is crying over losing his D. Stewart is there to fill Romine’s spot, and Cervy having the option must have made the move a no-brainer for the time being. #shoringupanotherweakness
One of the very few times I will be rooting for Verlander.
GO TIGRES!!!!
And to kick off the season, the gift that just keeps on giving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc
Jeers, memory serves you correctly; Cervy was decent with RISP and in “clutch” stats, albeit in a small sample size.
I think Charlie Wonsowicz should be platooned as the lefty BP pitcher/video guy/scout…obviously he is not an every day guy…that commute from Staten Island is a b**** that has worn him down over the years
Trisha, did you get my 89 wins, 3rd place for Suxers?
Josh Norris @jnorris427 Delcarmen will start tonight for SWB. The last time he started? Aug. 27, 2004, for Sarasota against Tampa.
Nick,
Only because they try to muzzle any discontent. If they’d just let others have their say, they wouldn’t earn their rep as oppressors.
Take a look at Hassey’s weird response to Rich in NJ.
Ne c’est pas?
And a quick salute to the captain of the 2012 Titanic – Bobby V!!!
Wish I could remember the exact quote from Schilling. It had something to do with Bobby being the captain of the Titanic. If I can find, it I’ll post it. Pretty funny.
Betsy April 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
1 game into the season and Joe is going to give Alex or Jeter a DH day?
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It’s likely more about getting Ibanez out of the lineup against Price than Alex or Derek needing a DH day.
OldHossRadbourn I would not presume to give advice to J. Verlander, but killing a man or two with one’s first pitch is a right dandy way to begin a season.
Given the choice, I would opt for Cervelli over Stewart. With no evidence, I think there’s a better chance that his defense in general and CS % in particular improves than there is a chance that Stewart’s bat improves.
I guess that wasn’t a choice if they wanted both in the system right now, however. This doesn’t have to be goodbye forever to Dreamy Eyes.
“I know everyone is upset for Cervelli, but let?s be honest, he is not very good unless he improves significantly. ”
No one’s upset for Cervelli… we’re upset that the next time we see offensive production from the C position will be sometime in the next 3-4 years. Its just settling in for us now lol.
We all mocked the Vtek/Saltalawhateverthef*ck platoon.
Stewart better be just as good as or better than Martin behind the dish.
Yea, I’m pretty much indifferent to the whole BUC thing right now. Still blindsided by The Trade, I’m not going to split hairs whether Chris .597 OPS Stewart or Jumping Bean Cervelli are getting reps behind Martin.
No one’s upset for Cervelli… we’re upset that the next time we see offensive production from the C position will be sometime in the next 3-4 years. Its just settling in for us now lol.
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Point.
Ok I will drop the BUC debate in favor of cheering for Verlander
Nick, guess Cervelli’s Dreamy Eyes have no hold on Joe G and Cash.
Pruf, QFT. Although hopefully, Joe G. doesn’t grind must-be-behind-the-dish Martin into the ground before May begins.
Shame, yep. #whatisacircularoffense?
“Only because they try to muzzle any discontent. If they’d just let others have their say, they wouldn’t earn their rep as oppressors.”
Hyperbolic. Sorry.
YF – got it!
Checking the previous thread, and I see I have more predictions. Definitely have yours.
Jeers, you find any OD tix yet or are you waiting for Stubhub to drop prices?
nick at 1:02 – i agree. i really think this is a temporary thing, as cervelli is the better player. could his defense be better, sure it could. but, i think they are concerned about their catching depth, with the duration of romine being out is still a question. it appears this was the only way to acquire stewart. the cost to them in the short term is likely minimal in terms of affect on the team.
Trisha, muchas gracias!
As good as Verlander has seemed some seasons, he has to have some kind of drop-off this year from last, no? If he’s able to duplicate his 2011 dominance, 2012 Detroit will be like the late 90′s Mariners but with a deeper staff. It’ll be interesting, but I hope not at the Yanks expense
I’m not upset at all.
I get over things pretty quickly. It’s a new start for all the teams, but hoping the Yankees pull away early, in effect burying the Sox early because they nearly always fade in the second half.
Geaux Tigres!
I’ve been waiting for Cashman to invent the term “catchability” to describe catchers
“No one’s upset for Cervelli”
Oh I don’t think that’s true at all. I think that the people who might be least upset are those who wanted Montero to be the BUC. But there are actually people with hearts and souls who feel for other people and their plights.
No one’s upset for Cervelli… we’re upset that the next time we see offensive production from the C position will be sometime in the next 3-4 years. Its just settling in for us now lol.
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The ‘settling in’ argument can be earnestly used once or twice.
After the 13th or 14th application, its a tired excuse.
YF – de nada!
K
I was going to go with 103 wins, but I downgraded the team to 101 after they dealt away Kontos and sent Dreamy Eyes into oblivion.
Joelsherman1 #Yankees claimed RH rlvr Cody Eppley from #Rangers and will send to Triple-A to replace Kontos
? AndrewMarchand A-Rod is on Facebook now http://es.pn/HZDOxI
Verlander 92! Panic!
Tired in whose estimate, Stuck? I never tire of anything Shame has to say.
Dusty going to argue that pitch?
Buh bye.
Listening to audio of a postgame speech vs the 49′ers. The Saints DC Greg Williams hung himself with those words, which were caught by an ESPN 30/30 filmmaker.
which number will be higher?
Yankees win total
or
the amount of weight CC puts back on by the playoffs?
If Boston doesn’t bunt one at Miggy today they are crazy.
Why is it one particular party seems to struggle so profoundly with the clear, fundamental difference between being told they’re acting childishly and being told they’re not allowed to act childishly?
Critique isn’t oppression.
One would think serial critics would get this.
But alas…
blake April 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I’ve been waiting for Cashman to invent the term “catchability” to describe catchers
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Oooo, trademark that one.
9 pitches.
If the season ended right now, Verlander would definitely win the CY again
“If Boston doesn’t bunt one at Miggy today they are crazy.”
Not with Torre back in the MLB offices they won’t.
Bah! That’s pregame speech.
Don’t like Verlander and his smirk, but I’m his biggest fan today.
blake April 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Verlander 92! Panic!
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I think that was a changeup.
By the way – with Vincente Padilla now part of Boston’s bullpen who wants to put money on whether or not Tex gets drilled the first time the Yankees and Sux play this season?
AJACK
AJax didn’t strike out!
HA HA HA HA HA!
And Jonny starts where he left off.
GO!
OK I ran the SB numbers to see what their adjusted OPS would be taking the extra bases into account to make them neutral at throwing guys out (that is 2 sb?s for every CS)
Stewart has a career OPS of .563 but taking into account his throwing out runners he saved 10 extra bases which added to his total bases adds 61 points to his OPS which gives him an adjusted OPS of (a still poor .624)
Cervell has a career .692 and allowed 24 SB?s with 4 CS which makes him allow 16 extra bases when subtracted from his OPS is an adjustment of 128 points which puts him at an adjusted OPS of a terrible .564. 60 points of OPS is significant, but neither option is a good one?thankfully it is our backup and the Yankees logic is sound in that the defense should be there and if you need the offense you can pinch hit if you choose.
They obviously were not comfortable with Cervelli and I don?t blame them
YF,
Despite our disagreements, you strike me as reasonable.
I’ll take you at your word if you tell me the fact that Montero was trade is just “settling in” for you now.
I’ll have to rethink my impression of you being reasonable, but I WILL take you at your word.
Oh well. He still got the bat on the ball.
Stuckey – I’m just here minding my own business adding nothing constructive to the blog as usual. No big, IMO.
“But there are actually people with hearts and souls who feel for other people and their plights.
Trisha – I visited Pete’s blog once and I think I lost my heart and soul forever!
How bad does Tito want Bobby V. to fail and his old guys to succeed?
yankeefeminista,
It’ll be a late thurs/early fri decision. Supply went up though since the last time I checked.
Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
“Only because they try to muzzle any discontent. If they’d just let others have their say, they wouldn’t earn their rep as oppressors.”
Hyperbolic. Sorry.
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Whatever, dude
Now Lester has the lead in the CY voting…this is gonna be a tight race all year
“I’ll have to rethink my impression of you being reasonable, but I WILL take you at your word.”
fem – Feeling appropriately honored?
“gehrig38: Michael Kay radio show? Titanic now in open water at full speed!”
That was the quote.
GM,
Don’t forget to factor in that Cervelli has caught Burnett a lot over that time…..in which case Johnny Bench couldn’t throw anybody out for. I think there are too many variables involved for those calculations to be accurate with regards to actual value…..but anyway I get that they both kinda suck and it likely wont make much difference
Jeers, yep think the Yankees will dump some more tix once they realize the STH packages aren’t selling in time. Curious to see where prices will drop to on the Stub.
Hey, I can’t watch this on ESPN!
I see fatty drank his milkshake today. A pity that the sellout union attorney acted as his mouthpiece.
Shame, downright buoyed.
Stuck, I was taking Shame at her word. So, my weighing in is irrelevant, but thanks for inviting me to play.
Fielder – didn’t his Dr. tell him that he shouldn’t use any hair dye if he’s pregnant?
Trisha, ESPN2.
Ooh.
Looks like Ortiz dropped some weight.
Nice pitch, put him away.
If Gardner is far more valuable than people realize because of his defense, why are the Yankees paying Andruw Jones $2-3M a year so that Gardner sits on the bench against a lefty in the second game of the year? Do ?people? include the Yankees themselves?
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2-3 mil a year is not that much considering he is our best DH against lefties and will play when we rest Gardner or Granderson.
The Yankees should understand that Gardner is the 2nd best defensive player on our team behind Cano and it is close. Gardner should be in CF but they Yanks never made that move probably out of respect for Granderson. they would have made it sooner if Grandy didn’t improve so much against lefties. IN fact, Granderson hitting lefties is very important for this team because if he reverts the Yanks will be susceptible against lefties.
When Crawford was a free agent I argued that the Yanks basically have Crawford in Gardner and I was mocked in the usual board way…Gardner is and always was better defensively than Crawford, but Crawford had a better bat. I expected Gardner to improve slightly and he did to .762 two years ago, but fell back to .713 last year. With his SB’s his adjusted OPS is .757 and when you add the GG defense where he saves a double a week over an average defender he gets another 100 points in OPS.
BTW the difference between Jones and Gardner in LF is more than 100 OPS points but if Jones can still hit like he has been the last 2 years against lefties he should play. Jones his a much better defender than Ibanez; who is Marcus Thames level bad.
K, atta boy.
Bush suspended 5 games; Cloyd now pitching for LHV vs. SWB and Delcarmen tonight.
js,
Check out Pujols. Completely different physique now.
Booth talking about how Ross might have a good year playing in Boston and smaller ball parks. We also got some pretty good pitchers in this league. Nice pitch by Verlander to buckle Ross’s knees.
The Yankees should understand that Gardner is the 2nd best defensive player on our team behind Cano and it is close. Gardner should be in CF but they Yanks never made that move probably out of respect for Granderson.
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This is pure assumption. Gardner has been better in LF than he was in CF. Gets off the ball better from left. I think THIS is the reason they did what they did: put them where they are best suited.
Well after the Tigers took the Scott Boras bait and gave the stout Fielder that ridiculous 10 year contract and the Angels gave Pujols 10 years and got CJ Wilson I dont want to hear about Yankee spending anymore since all of these teams are now buying free agents and raising salaries along with contract lengths to excessive levels….geez, what will Cano want in 2 years at age 32–8 years and $192 million? ($24 million a year)…please dont tell me Boras is his agent……
Blake, that is true about who they caught as they were on different teams, but cervelli allowed 55 SB’s the year before and only caught 9 guys. that is just awful. You can knock down some of it but he has been awful. He is young and has more ability to improve than Stewart.
Also martin was better than league average with the same staff.
YF – not for me.
Because I’m “in market” ESPN2 has Scott Van Pelt for me.
I an forced to listen to the un-dulcet tones of Don Orsillo.
where were these DPs in the 2012 ALDS?
Dumb Newport Beach cop.
After escorting Torii Hunter upstairs by gunpoint so he could get his ID, he tells him, “I’m a big Angels fan. I watch you all the time”
Hunter tripped his alarm and his wife didn’t answer the follow up call to her cell because she was out of state.
Hunter has a registered firearm and said he was glad he didn’t grab it because he’d have been shot.
“Also martin was better than league average with the same staff.”
You posted career numbers though right….and Cervelli basically only caught AJ in 2010….which can make anybody ‘s CS numbers look bad. Look…..he’s not good defensively…..but he’s done ok overall as a back up when you factor everything in…..its not a huge deal I don’t guess.
trisha,
It’s on the Internet. MLB.com. Blacked out there, too?
Jones isn’t going to DH so he’s not a DH. Gardner is on the bench in the second game of the year and there’s a good chance he’ll be there in the playoffs against lefties as well.
Real world data points.
Jeers, yep think the Yankees will dump some more tix once they realize the STH packages aren’t selling in time. Curious to see where prices will drop to on the Stub.
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I sold a pair for 28 cents each last season.
Joel Sherman ? @Joelsherman1
Rothschild feels Pineda went East-West more this spring to compensate for shoulder weaknesses, feels with health/work Pineda will (cont)
stay more true toward plate and regain his best fastball #Yankees
J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
The Yankees should understand that Gardner is the 2nd best defensive player on our team behind Cano and it is close. Gardner should be in CF but they Yanks never made that move probably out of respect for Granderson.
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This is pure assumption. Gardner has been better in LF than he was in CF. Gets off the ball better from left. I think THIS is the reason they did what they did: put them where they are best suited.
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I don’t know too many people who undertsnad the game who say Grandrson is a better CF’r than Gardner. Granderson is average at best in CF and doesn;t always get good jumps (not everyone does). If gardner played every day in CF he would easily be better…as it is he probably still is. The factor not discussed that also could be is that Granderson would be a lot worse in LF? But I beleive the Yansk feeling was that Granderson would not be platooned as much as Gardner so why move around Grandy so much?
lounge lizard, probably, and against the tougher left-handers. But if they think he’s going to be more than a platoon player, they need to let him see more LHP. His OBP is decent against lefties, and once in awhile he’s able to go the other way on them. I don’t know how well he’d hit for average against them, I would guess not well, but if they’re so enamored with him, they ought to give it a real trial. Girardi is formulaic to a fault.
Craig Heyer has been promoted to AAA
Salty looks…fat.
lounge lizard April 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Jones isn?t going to DH so he?s not a DH. Gardner is on the bench in the second game of the year and there?s a good chance he?ll be there in the playoffs against lefties as well.
Real world data points.
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Oh boy. Do you think Nunez will be starting over ARod and Jeter in the field all year too? Perspective points LL
Not sure it was wise for Davidoff to leave Newsday to form a tandem with Sherman at the Post.
Doesn’t he want his own forum to shine? It seems kind of redundant for him and Sherman to split duties, especially when both are among the best in this town at what they do.
GM,
Granderson is much better at tracking balls hit over his head. The other guy is better at coming in. In CF, if I have to choose, I’ll take the guy who’s going back better, for obvious reasons. If he were so good in CF, he’d play a more shallow one, and he does not. There’s a reason for that. He’s dead fast, but he does not seem to get going off the ball quickly from CF. Granderson is pretty sublime going back on the ball. So I disagree with your large sampe size of people who “understand the game.”
I can;t make fun of Salty…I put on a few pounds too this winter, to get ready for the grind of the regular season
Blake in 09 cervelli had the 50 or 55 SB’s allowed while only catching 9 guys. I was using 10 numbers though
I don’t think the Yankees said Nunez would play vs every lhp, did they?
mel – blacked out.
GB, interesting. I’d guess he is going back into the pen then. Already have Killer B’s, DJ, Warren and Ortiz there. Heyer was all happy to be starting in AA. Oh, well. I assume that’s the move and it is not trade-related. Who we getting in AA?
I can make fun of Salty. Totally different physique for me. :happy:
GM,
Point taken….maybe it all evens out…..I just thought it was sorta a crappy thing to do to Cervelli (with no apparent warning)….
Also claimed RHP Cody Eppley off waivers, going to AAA as per Hoch, Norris.
Fair enough J.A.P. but I disagree a lot with your statement. Granderson gets worse jumps than Gardner and doesn;t have the speed or the arm Gardner has. Granderson probably is smoother once going back on a ball, but Gardner can catch many balls Grandy simply won’t get to. I remember last year when Granderson made two excellent diving catches. however, if you watch the plays again, he got poor jumps on both of them. Guys like Gardner would catch them fairly routine as he does in LF. he routinely catches balls that A. Jones would let drop.
GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Joel Sherman ? @Joelsherman1
Rothschild feels Pineda went East-West more this spring to compensate for shoulder weaknesses, feels with health/work Pineda will (cont)
stay more true toward plate and regain his best fastball #Yankees
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So much for the impassioned argument that they traded Montero for a shutdown No. 2, and that pitching depth in the organization isn’t relevant (if even acknowledged) because those guys “aren’t ready yet.”
Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos will be “ready” to get outs next ST, and will have the innings behind them, as long as they stay healthy, which Pineda, currently, is not.
Johan looking pretty good so far.
Official:
@YankeeMegInPHL Apparently the Yanks claimed Cody Eppley off waivers from Rangers and sent him to AAA.
Blake, I do agree it was a little crappy, but when teams are coming down to final roster decisions they happen late so it isn’t as if the Yanks planned on yanking his chain (no pun intended)
trisha,
Boo!
Another DB in store?
yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
GB, interesting. I’d guess he is going back into the pen then. Already have Killer B’s, DJ, Warren and Ortiz there. Heyer was all happy to be starting in AA. Oh, well. I assume that’s the move and it is not trade-related. Who we getting in AA?
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Not sure about the future with Heyer in AAA, but, the word is that hes there to cover for DelCarmen if he gets knocked out early. Looks like Molina has decided to stay with the Yanks in Trenton and Farnham was DL’d.
Yes, the plan is that Nunez will start in the field every game against lefties, which means either Alex or DJ will not. Sherman reported that months ago and Nunez confirmed it with his spring. Nunez could fail in some fashion but that’s the plan.
And JAP, I agree that the Yanks “should” fish or cut bait with Gardner. In a way, Cashman is protecting Gardner by having a no-future player like Jones as the fourth OF rather than a young competitor. It also helps Gardner’s stats that he doesn’t have to face David Price.
It will be interesting to see what they do as Gardner gets more expensive (and very expensive for a platoon player).
Tigers hitting the ball hard off Lestah…..double plays have saved the Sox so far.
*DP ball
Queue up the Johan trade scenarios.
Actually, I did tell people to get back to me when he’s on the mound, pitching and healthy.
Tampa’s lineup for tomorrow:
CF Desmond Jennings
RF Ben Zobrist
3B Evan Longoria
DH Jeff Keppinger
SS Sean Rodriguez
2B Elliot Johnson
1B Carlos Pena
C Jose Molina
LF Matt Joyce
Granted – BJ Upton is hurt and they have some moving pieces against the Big Lefty – but really – Jeff Keppinger as your DH and cleanup hitter?
“So much for the impassioned argument that they traded Montero for a shutdown No. 2, and that pitching depth in the organization isn’t relevant (if even acknowledged) because those guys “aren’t ready yet.”
Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos will be “ready” to get outs next ST, and will have the innings behind them, as long as they stay healthy, which Pineda, currently, is not.”
Yep. But again, it is just typical impatience from Cashman and the brass. No faith in their own, always have to be going after someone else’s. Like the people who wanted to trade Betances for Danks.
The Genius Maker April 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Fair enough J.A.P. but I disagree a lot with your statement. Granderson gets worse jumps than Gardner and doesn;t have the speed or the arm Gardner has. Granderson probably is smoother once going back on a ball, but Gardner can catch many balls Grandy simply won’t get to.
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Laterally, he has more range. But Granderson’s range is very good. And Granderson gets significantly better jumps going back on the ball. He gets off the ball fast, his first couple steps take him on the correct path more often than not, and he makes a line to the spot and quietly makes the play. He’s not going to look spectacular doing so, because he’s just going to arrive, based on the excellent jump that is enhanced by his own speed and ability to close on the ball, to just get there when it does or to wait for it. People tend to assume plays that look “easy” are routine plays. They are for him, because he’s already pre-empted the difficulty a defender with poorer instincts would have to deal with.
J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Joel Sherman ? @Joelsherman1
Rothschild feels Pineda went East-West more this spring to compensate for shoulder weaknesses, feels with health/work Pineda will (cont)
stay more true toward plate and regain his best fastball #Yankees
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So much for the impassioned argument that they traded Montero for a shutdown No. 2, and that pitching depth in the organization isn’t relevant (if even acknowledged) because those guys “aren’t ready yet.”
Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos will be “ready” to get outs next ST, and will have the innings behind them, as long as they stay healthy, which Pineda, currently, is not.
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Do you know another tune or are you The Muzak Of LoHud and only know the same one boring song.
GB, Mujica also up in AAA. And on Trenton DL: Jeremy Bleich, Jairo Heredia, Diego Moreno, Danny Burawa, Luke Murton and Damon Sublett.
Do you recall if milb-tv cameras from LHV are decent?
Lester only needed 18 pitches to get thru 2 innings. I wonder if Valentine will grind down his starters in general to avoid going deep into the bullpen as much as possible.
It will be interesting to see what they do as Gardner gets more expensive (and very expensive for a platoon player).
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Yeah, it will be. They have a much better “version” of Gardner in Williams, who will actually play CF, but he still needs time to get there. I guess a lot also depends on what they mean to do with Granderson. If they don’t re-up with him, then it might buy Gardner some more Yankee time. You could keep him in left, and put Mason in CF. Still have that range factor overlapping in the LCF gap and to RCF at times, as well. Also, what’s going to happe with Heathcott’s health? Could Sosa make progress and become a sort of poor man’s Gardner (budget, budget
). How many years away is Ravel Santana? Interesting, indeed. 
JAP, I don’t agree with your assessment of Granderson getting excellent jumps going back on balls
yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
GB, Mujica also up in AAA. And on Trenton DL: Jeremy Bleich, Jairo Heredia, Diego Moreno, Danny Burawa, Luke Murton and Damon Sublett.
Do you recall if milb-tv cameras from LHV are decent?
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Cameras are pretty decent. Certainly better than Scranton. Like the difference between Us Cellular in Chicago and Yankee Stadium.
Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Does Nunez playing regularly vs lefties mean no Gardner vs lefties?
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Let’s see…
Eduardo Nunez is a starting infielder against lefties moving Jeter or Arod to DH.
Andruw Jones will start against lefties as well and the only place to do that is LF.
Isn’t it obvious the Yankees are viewing Gardner as a platoon player?
You’d know about the needle getting stuck.
It’s always the same thing with you, the Yankees make all the right decisions. If they fired the decision makers tomorrow, you’d say it was the right decision.
The Genius Maker April 5th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
JAP, I don’t agree with your assessment of Granderson getting excellent jumps going back on balls
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Well, it’s my eyeballs against yours, so I’ll agree to disagree, GM.
I agree with GM. Granderson has looked bad going back on some balls. Fielding wise, I don’t think you can say Granderson can do any one thing significantly better than Gardner.
Chip, if Rays get anywhere near a 2010 year out of Luke Scott at DH vs. righties, they should be OK there.
GB, good to hear re: cameras. I hope they are also decent from Lexington when River Dogs play there.
Chip April 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Tampa’s lineup for tomorrow:
CF Desmond Jennings
RF Ben Zobrist
3B Evan Longoria
DH Jeff Keppinger
SS Sean Rodriguez
2B Elliot Johnson
1B Carlos Pena
C Jose Molina
LF Matt Joyce
Granted – BJ Upton is hurt and they have some moving pieces against the Big Lefty – but really – Jeff Keppinger as your DH and cleanup hitter?
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No kidding. The Rays are going to have some serious problems scoring runs this year. I know they got some really good SP, but they are going to have to score at least 2 or 3 runs to win games and I don’t think they can do that.
CC, Kuroda, and Hughes should cruise through that lineup all wknd.