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Stewart: “Touted as a defensive catcher is an honor for me”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees first signed Chris Stewart in 2008. He caught one big league game that season, then the Yankees made a small trade to get him back the following year. Yesterday, they traded for him a second time, and this time they plan to carry him as their big league backup.

“It’s not like it’s some Podunk team from nowhere trying to get me,” Stewart said. “It’s the New York Yankees. With the prestige and everything that goes on around here, it’s nice to be wanted not just by any team but by the Yankees themselves.”

Why do the Yankees like him enough to keep bringing him back? And why do they think he can be a big league backup with his limited big league experience?

“Chris Stewart is an exceptional defensive player, right out of the Jose Molina mold,” Brian Cashman said. “(Francisco) Cervelli is obviously a better hitter than he is.”

Stewart is here to catch, and he does that very well. When he learned about the trade, he was already in San Francisco with the Giants. He didn’t want to leave his car there, so he made the seven-hour drive to his home in Southern California, where he packed some of the dark blue catching gear he had leftover from stints with the Yankees and Padres, then he caught a red-eye flight to Tampa. He landed at 9 this morning and arrived at today’s workout on the team bus. He also knows most of the guys in the clubhouse.

“It’s going to be a quick learning experience (and) go get ‘em tomorrow,” Stewart said. “I’ve got to cram as much information into my head as I can tonight and early tomorrow and be ready if my name gets called tomorrow. I caught a lot of these guys before so I know what they have, and I’ve faced the others a good majority of the time, so I have a good idea. Now it’s just finalizing their game plans and what they’re tring to think out there on the mound. … My baseball goal pretty much is to take care of the pitchers behind the plate — and whatever I can chip in offensively I’m going to take as well — but my goal is to try to get those pitchers through the game with the least amount of runs as possible. To be touted as a defensive catcher is an honor for me.”

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229 Responses to “Stewart: “Touted as a defensive catcher is an honor for me””

  1. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Hello again,

    Seems that being a good defensive catcher nowadays is a batch of honour in Yankee land

  2. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    He fits right in to the Girardi’s mold

  3. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    OK, fanboys and fangirls, here’s where your favorite prospects are playing. Stoneburner has been dropped from the top 20 list because he didn’t want a bunch of slugs following him around and doesn’t think anybody should talk about him.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com…..8;c_id=nyy

  4. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    GB7,

    Thanks for the link. Interesting read, especially that Hal mentioned Phelps along with the two B’s.

  5. yanks 27 April 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    “He fits right in to the Girardi’s mold”

    He better not accidentally hit a HR or do anything positive on offense, or he will be in Girardi’s doghouse.

  6. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Yank27,

    :) LMAO probably though

  7. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I want to apologize again, to Don Mattingly.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    I want to apologize again, to Don Mattingly.
    ///

    Me too. We’re to blame…for all of this.

  9. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    I want to apologize again, to Don Mattingly.

    ==============

    Make that three of us

  10. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    lol, thanks for the link, fanboy. :)

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Can’t believe how Hal is pandering to the fake GMs about the soft cap. He knows they get more excited about pretending they’re constructing the budget than about actually winning anything.

    Meanwhile, he’s going on record that Banuelos and Betances better step it up and progress quick so they can help the Yankees stay under the cap…too much.

    Hal and Cashman, can you just quietly think your foolish thoughts, make your dumb moves and…shut up??? Nobody wants to hear you complain about the CBA. Nix that, apparently everyone wants to hear it; it’s like an aphrodisiac to some, I suppose :roll:

  12. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    JAP,

    Did you see the game between the Sux and the Tigers? Verlander seems to be in top form. I didn’t see the game. Was Melancon leaving the ball up? What about Aceves, do you think he will make a good closer?

  13. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Tears, Tears, and More Tears:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYcwoh0ocQ

  14. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    I want to apologize for this thread.

    Have a good night.

    P.S. There’s a rumor floating round that there is a “real” Yankee game tomorrow. Just thought you all
    might want to know. See ya’ then.

    ;)

  15. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    +4

  16. 4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    I like Cervelli, but this was probably a good move. If Stewart is as good as they say defensively, then I’m sure it is.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    I want to apologize again, to Don Mattingly.

    ==============

    Make that three of us
    ///

    Luis, did you also make the mistake of wanting Girardi over Mattingly?? The irony for me is, one of the reasons I wanted him was because I thought, as a former catcher (who, reluctantly or not, helped mentor Posada), he’d be very helpful in Jesus’ evolution as a catcher. Never did I imagine he would fold before that apprenticeship had a chance.

  18. 4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Melancon, as I said when sux got him, is not gonna fair well as a closer. Even though Aceves didn’t get it done today, he’s the better choice.

  19. 4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Melancon, as I said when sux got him, is not gonna fair well as a closer. ( IN THE A.L. ) Even though Aceves didn’t get it done today, he’s the better choice.

  20. UnKnown April 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Watching the Yankee Preview of the Yankees on MLB Network to get ready for the season. This team is going to be good.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
    JAP,

    Did you see the game between the Sux and the Tigers? Verlander seems to be in top form. I didn’t see the game. Was Melancon leaving the ball up? What about Aceves, do you think he will make a good closer?
    ////
    Luis :D
    I was watching with one eye and pretending to do some work at the same time. Verlander looked good, though 94 was the highest reading I saw, so either I missed those 97s or his velo’s not quite there yet.

    Melancon didn’t have his usual sinking fastball and wasn’t inducing groundballs. I think Ace is versatile, but I’d say it’s a waste to make him your closer. Did you miss the game? The Son is on tomorrow night at 10 p.m. ET, I believe. I won’t get to tune in until about an hour in, most likely, since I’ll be making my way back from Allentown, Pa. for the Betances start. As soon as Dellin’s out, though, I’m out of that park.

    I’ll have to watch Yanks on MLB.tv via computer, as we’re leaving early to get out there comfortably.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    Melancon, as I said when sux got him, is not gonna fair well as a closer. ( IN THE A.L. ) Even though Aceves didn’t get it done today, he’s the better choice.
    ///

    Disagree. I think he’ll be competent. Didn’t have his stuff today.

  23. luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    luis April 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    I want to apologize again, to Don Mattingly.

    ==============

    Make that three of us
    ///

    Luis, did you also make the mistake of wanting Girardi over Mattingly?? The irony for me is, one of the reasons I wanted him was because I thought, as a former catcher (who, reluctantly or not, helped mentor Posada), he’d be very helpful in Jesus’ evolution as a catcher. Never did I imagine he would fold before that apprenticeship had a chance.

    =================

    At the time I thought Mattingly was too green to take the helm, and I was so sick of Torre that I thought he would be a continuation of his rule. I have always thought that catchers make very good managers, I thought Girardi did a good job with the Marlins. But my favorite for the job then was Tony Pena. Mainly because I thought the team needed to break up with the Torre philosophy.

  24. VivaMolina April 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    “right out of the Jose Molina mold.”
    There are three catchers out of the Jose Molina mold: Benjie, Jose and Yadier Molina.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Big Tears mean nothin’. You can count them as they fall
    Big Tears mean nuthin’, when you’re lyin’ in your coffin
    Tell me who’s been taken in?

  26. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    Melancon, as I said when sux got him, is not gonna fair well as a closer. ( IN THE A.L. ) Even though Aceves didn’t get it done today, he’s the better choice.
    ///

    Disagree. I think he’ll be competent. Didn’t have his stuff today.

    ==============

    That’s another questionable move by the FO. For two months of the big Puma?

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    At the time I thought Mattingly was too green to take the helm, and I was so sick of Torre that I thought he would be a continuation of his rule. I have always thought that catchers make very good managers, I thought Girardi did a good job with the Marlins. But my favorite for the job then was Tony Pena. Mainly because I thought the team needed to break up with the Torre philosophy.
    ///

    Luis, I, too, was experiencing Torre hangover, and with all our young pitching on the rise, I thought Girardi was a better choice. I also didn’t figure him to be such a slave to the book. As for Pena, I didn’t think they would give him a fair look or that they considered him a serious candidate. I think Pena makes sense as the next guy, for the reasons you and I have already discussed ;) .

  28. tucker April 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Maybe Cervelli had one too many fist pumps behind the plate for girardi’s taste.

  29. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
    I like Cervelli, but this was probably a good move. If Stewart is as good as they say defensively, then I’m sure it is.

    ////

    Not at the price we paid for him. The upgrade defensively didn’t warrant Kontos.

  30. UnKnown April 5th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Any worry over Hughes only throwing 74 innings last year. Please don’t tell me he is going to be on an innings limit this year because of it…

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    That’s another questionable move by the FO. For two months of the big Puma?
    ///

    If we had gotten last year’s version of Puma, well that’d be another story :D . Melancon’s cup of coffee wasn’t sufficient. At least, though, we have such pitching depth that we’re not likely to miss him. But I still consider him to have promise, despite the Yankee bail.

  32. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    What a pity that girardi hasn’t been able to cox an average of 96 wins a year out of this team, using a pitched together pitching rotation.

  33. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    When did 11pm become the circle jerk hour?

  34. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    ***coax*** an average

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    UnKnown April 5th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
    Any worry over Hughes only throwing 74 innings last year. Please don’t tell me he is going to be on an innings limit this year because of it…
    ///

    He threw another 13 in the minors though, and threw 176 in 2010, so I don’t think we have to worry that he’ll be any cap.

  36. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Good EC song.

    I used to love when the Yankees did the countdown to first pitch on the website. (sigh)

  37. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Kontos is and was completely expendable. NYYs would have lost him at the end of the year anyway.

  38. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
    That’s another questionable move by the FO. For two months of the big Puma?
    ///

    If we had gotten last year’s version of Puma, well that’d be another story . Melancon’s cup of coffee wasn’t sufficient. At least, though, we have such pitching depth that we’re not likely to miss him. But I still consider him to have promise, despite the Yankee bail.
    ===========

    Last year version of the Big Puma would have warranted a lot more than Melancon :D My grudge, is that he never got a fair chance.

  39. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    “What a pity that girardi hasn’t been able to cox an average of 96 wins a year out of this team, using a pitched together pitching rotation.”

    Oh please, this is MLB, not the NFL or the NBA. You spend $200m, you tend to get very good regular season results.

  40. UnKnown April 5th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Look at the Yankees pen vs the Sux. Completely laughable. I love it.

    This weekend the Rays find out what happens when the Yankees are actually trying to win games unlike the season ending series last year at the Trop. Feel the pain Rays, feel the pain.

  41. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    How dare people criticize anyone employed by the Yankees?

    Some of you people are so authoritarian.

  42. 4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    4 NYY April 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    Melancon, as I said when sux got him, is not gonna fair well as a closer. ( IN THE A.L. ) Even though Aceves didn’t get it done today, he’s the better choice.
    ///

    Disagree. I think he’ll be competent. Didn’t have his stuff today.

    ============================================

    I don’t think “competent ” will do, do you ? His stuff is too straight. He threw as hard today as he normally does. He did fairly well for Lastros, but this is the A.L. East, where he couldn’t do it before with Yanks. Nothing against him, JMO.

  43. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    “Some of you people are so authoritarian.”

    Someone didn’t get the memo.

    :roll:

  44. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
    At the time I thought Mattingly was too green to take the helm, and I was so sick of Torre that I thought he would be a continuation of his rule. I have always thought that catchers make very good managers, I thought Girardi did a good job with the Marlins. But my favorite for the job then was Tony Pena. Mainly because I thought the team needed to break up with the Torre philosophy.
    ///

    Luis, I, too, was experiencing Torre hangover, and with all our young pitching on the rise, I thought Girardi was a better choice. I also didn’t figure him to be such a slave to the book. As for Pena, I didn’t think they would give him a fair look or that they considered him a serious candidate. I think Pena makes sense as the next guy, for the reasons you and I have already discussed .

    ==================

    I thought that Girardi would handle the pitching staff much better than Torre did, and he has. But I was a little afraid that he would fall in to the same mold of Torre. He hasn’t which is good, but I agree with you about him being a slave of the book, worse he doesn’t do anything before consulting his binder. He lacks feel for the game and never thinks out of the box. Pena being a Latino would tend to play what we call down here Caribbean baseball, which about playing always outside the box.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
    How dare people criticize anyone employed by the Yankees?

    Some of you people are so authoritarian.
    ////

    Like I said earlier, the decision makers never make a mistake. Until, of course, ownership replaces them, and then of course, it’s the correct move, and their replacements immediately become teflon to criticism.

  46. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    NYYs would have lost him at the end of the year anyway.

    No they wouldn’t.

  47. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    “Someone didn’t get the memo.”

    Must be in my spam folder.

  48. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    You shouldn’t put Mr. Prufrock’s memos in your spam folder. :(

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Pena being a Latino would tend to play what we call down here Caribbean baseball, which about playing always outside the box.
    ///

    That would be so refreshing. Plus, he’s a tough SOB, to boot. It would be a plus, too, if the next great Yankee catcher could communicate with his manager in his own language. Sure wouldn’t hurt.

  50. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
    Kontos is and was completely expendable. NYYs would have lost him at the end of the year anyway.

    /////

    I don’t dispute that. But for a BUC catcher? With no offensive upside? Sorry but I would have rather stayed with Cervelli. I would have traded a C prospect. Besides, I think Kontos could have been an option to Wade if he struggles.

  51. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dVty_JUxqE

  52. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Oh please, this is MLB, not the NFL or the NBA. You spend $200m, you tend to get very good regular season results.

    __________________

    Joe Girardi has a .621 win % in the postseason and a .667 winning % in postseason series win %.

    I should work a “oh please” in there somewhere, shouldn’t I?

  53. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Jesus asked me to relay this to you guys.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vcFisR36Mw

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    I don’t think “competent ” will do, do you ? His stuff is too straight. He threw as hard today as he normally does. He did fairly well for Lastros, but this is the A.L. East, where he couldn’t do it before with Yanks. Nothing against him, JMO.
    ///

    His stuff was flat today. No sink. That’s really not him. Anyway, I hope he keeps flattening out. But I know he’s better than that. He’s also got enough of a repertoire that he can be a long man, too.

  55. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Nobody said they couldn’t have an opinion. I have mine, too. Not everything that goes wrong is on Girardi or Cashman. Who’s at fault if the players don’t produce? Nobody on that team laid down on Girardi. They play hard and they win as much or more than any team.

    It’s bad enough to have to deal with the pissing and moaning for 3 months about the Montero trade without having to read this crap over a non-descript minor league pitcher going nowhere in the organization.

  56. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    It’s actually daring some of you to criticize employees of Yankees better than you have.

    At this point a safe bet is you guys just don’t have the tools.

  57. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Exactly what did people think that a pitcher like Kontos would bring in a trade? Buster Posey? About all the value he had was a pitcher just like him or a non-descript back-up catcher.

  58. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    “Nobody said they couldn’t have an opinion. I have mine, too.”

    “It’s bad enough to have to deal with the pissing and moaning for 3 months…”

    So one’s (wo)man’s piss is another (wo)man’s beer.

  59. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    You’re not confusing Argentina with Venezuela, are you?

  60. m April 5th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Authoritarian, obsessed. Everyone’s got their issues.

    And for the record, no one us telling you what you can and cannot post.

    Just think of the snark like complaints. Just like people complain about The Trade, Cashman, and Girardi in every other post. I don’t recall anyone (with authority) telling you you couldn’t complain.

    Nick is right. Authoritarian is as much a LoHud fallacy as group think and sychophants. They only exist in the eye of the complainer.

  61. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    And just because…

    If you took Joe Girardi’s 18-11 PS record and extrapolate it over a full season, that’s 101 wins.

    In the postseason.

  62. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    yankeefeminista, are you going to ask Rich to name the names of the authoritarians?

  63. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    “Nick is right. Authoritarian is as much a LoHud fallacy as group think and sychophants.”

    No, they all exist, and no one is immune.

  64. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    “yankeefeminista, are you going to ask Rich to name the names of the authoritarians?”

    She’s too smart to stoop to such inanity.

  65. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Exactly what did people think that a pitcher like Kontos would bring in a trade? Buster Posey? About all the value he had was a pitcher just like him or a non-descript back-up catcher.

    Oh hyperbole, your favorite!! No, but he should have more trade value than a player that is easily acquirable off a scrapheap or a waiver wire. Jose Molina was acquired for a player just like Kontos, and Jose Molina is a real catcher.

  66. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
    Exactly what did people think that a pitcher like Kontos would bring in a trade? Buster Posey? About all the value he had was a pitcher just like him or a non-descript back-up catcher.

    /////

    Good point GB7….I just thought that he may still have a role with the team in case Wade struggles. I have watched Wade thru all ST, and he has been struggling with his mechanics.

  67. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    “She’s too smart to stoop to such inanity.”

    Rich, do you understand why I asked the question?

    Furthermore, did you know what I was referring to when I said someone didn’t get the memo a few minutes ago?

  68. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
    You’re not confusing Argentina with Venezuela, are you?

    No, I know where Montero is from.

    Replace Argentina with Yankee Fans. Didn’t think I would need to specify that with this intellectual crowd.

  69. G. Love April 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    For the record, I strongly wanted Mattingly or Pena for the managers job after Torre. Most of this board was pro-Girardi.

    Girardi will only support catchers in his image. Gary Sanchez better stop hitting if he wants to be a Yankee. The team has decided that having a national league lineup with Rey Ordonez behind the plate is what will win in this league. Someone in the organization is pumping up catcher defense over all other positions. There’s a paradigm shift and it seemed to coincide with Girardi being named manager and Jorge getting old.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    So one’s (wo)man’s piss is another (wo)man’s beer.
    ///

    In the end, is there a difference?

  71. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Girardi will only support catchers in his image.

    _________________________

    Eric Wedge too, apparently.

  72. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    By the way, we replaced Kontos with a guy that throws high 80′s gas and a CB in the mid 70′s. He is supposed to be death to righties :shock:

  73. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Nick

    No, I plead guilty to having my attention diverted by talking on the phone and listening to music while posting.

    So, if I misunderstood your post, I apologize.

    I was reacting to the general noise I sometimes see directed at anyone who thinks the Yankees aren’t well run.

  74. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    NYYs have pitchers in the organization that are better and just waiting for the chance. All of them will not be starters. Whelan is the same pitcher as Kontos. Would the uproar over a minor league trade involving Whelan be as much? Who really cares? Only on here. Craig Heyer could join the bullpen in NY and pitch 6 innings with the same results. The difference between them is that Kontos is homer prone.

  75. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    JS, the question was rhetorical and ironic…

  76. Tar April 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    “So one’s (wo)man’s piss is another (wo)man’s beer.
    ///
    In the end, is there a difference?”

    IDK One goes in, one goes out?

    And why do you keep trying to wax Poets? are they a hairy lot?

  77. m April 5th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Some act like run prevention is an STD or something thing that’s bad.

    No one even mentioned Kontos before yesterday’s news. Now he’s a valuable asset?

    Hopefully we’ll start 10-0 and there will be no complainin’. Happy positive thoughts everyone!

  78. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    NYYs have pitchers in the organization that are better and just waiting for the chance. All of them will not be starters. Whelan is the same pitcher as Kontos. Would the uproar over a minor league trade involving Whelan be as much?

    Whelan was DFA’d to make room for Kuroda, which is atleast an understandable move. They paid 10 mil for Kuroda and needed a spot. They did not NEED to trade Kontos ( a player that they could keep for this year as bullpen relief, or even next season!) for a player readily available off scrapheaps around mlb. You continue to misrepresent the opposition to the trade. If they had traded Whelan for a minor league player, there would only be uproar if the player they got for him was one of those types that are easy to acquire for free.

  79. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Tar April 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
    “So one’s (wo)man’s piss is another (wo)man’s beer.
    ///
    In the end, is there a difference?”

    IDK One goes in, one goes out?

    And why do you keep trying to wax Poets? are they a hairy lot?

    ///////

    Maybe what we need is free Boucher to a beauty salon? :)

  80. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Now he’s a valuable asset?

    He had more value than what they got rid of him for, which is the point. With options and being on the 40 man, he could have been of significant help this year out of the pen.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock April 5th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    And why do you keep trying to wax Poets? are they a hairy lot?
    ///

    LMAO.

  82. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    GB, speaking of which, if you were watching, how did Heyer look when he came in in relief of Delcarmen? My milb-tv froze after Delcarmen was removed.

  83. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    (We perhaps could have gotten more for Kontos, but his velo is down and he is going to turn 27 soon…)

  84. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    significant help, based on what? 6 innings last year?

  85. darbodla April 5th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Seems like so many on this blog just gripe. It’s an honor to watch this team compete every year for a ring. Who cares who the backup catcher is. Cashman has done a masterful job; getting an arm like Pineda for Montero was a very good deal as pitching wins and this team has plenty of hitting. There was no place for Montero. Picking up Kuroda was another stellar move and he will prove that the NL-AL gap is exaggerated. He can pitch. We have a deep rotation, the best infield in baseball as well as speed and power in the outfield and who wouldn’t want our pen anchored by the best closer in history. Chavez is healthy and Jones is as well and we have pitching depth in AAA. Can’t wait until tomorrow!

  86. Tar April 5th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    “He had more value than what they got rid of him for, which is the point.”

    Perhaps you are undervaluing peace of mind.

    “If we had a problem and all of a sudden we’re vulnerable, and I went out of my way to look for someone to fix it, it’s going to cost,” Cashman said. “At that position it’s going to cost. Now, I don’t feel as vulnerable.”

  87. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    “(We perhaps could have gotten more for Kontos, but his velo is down and he is going to turn 27 soon…)”

    My problem isn’t even that they traded him for virtually nothing. It’s that the virtually nothing will get too many virtually nothing AB.

  88. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    significant help, based on what?

    Based on the fact that he was very good in AAA and is the only Reliever on the 40 man. So he would have been one of the first up if they needed some bullpen help.

  89. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Tar, lol.

  90. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    I was reacting to the general noise I sometimes see directed at anyone who thinks the Yankees aren’t well run.
    ________________________

    This requires ignoring the substance of the “noise”.

    Within the hour the best criticism you could mount of Joe Girardi was that any team with a $200m payroll in baseball should always win 97 games a year.

    This empty criticism ignores his postseason winning percentage, both in total games and series won, is even better than that.

    Again, not about there being criticism, it’s about the low quality of it.

    Always will be.

  91. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    TankeeFem, same as always. 89-91 fastball, changes and curves…everything down and nothing hit hard. 4.2 innings a walk and a couple of hits, 0 runs. he doesn’t ever look spectacular…just gets outs. Doesn’t make hitters look foolish, but, it works for him.

  92. m April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Jerkface,

    You’re a good dude. But you’re in your own little island on this one. No one, not even Kontos’ own mother is complaining this much. Kontos was buried on the depth chart. Do you think he would have gotten called up first? Scratch that, of course you believe that.

  93. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    No worries, Rich, but I think you whiffed on both of those comments. 0-2 count, protect the plate!

  94. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Rich, too much of this kind of thing lately. It boggles the mind. Why not just have kept a real Molina?

  95. luis April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    darbodla April 5th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    Seems like so many on this blog just gripe. It’s an honor to watch this team compete every year for a ring. Who cares who the backup catcher is. Cashman has done a masterful job; getting an arm like Pineda for Montero was a very good deal as pitching wins and this team has plenty of hitting. There was no place for Montero. Picking up Kuroda was another stellar move and he will prove that the NL-AL gap is exaggerated. He can pitch. We have a deep rotation, the best infield in baseball as well as speed and power in the outfield and who wouldn’t want our pen anchored by the best closer in history. Chavez is healthy and Jones is as well and we have pitching depth in AAA. Can’t wait

    //////

    I can’t wait either.

  96. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Kontos was buried on the depth chart. Do you think he would have gotten called up first? Scratch that, of course you believe that.

    Uh as a reliever? Yea. Buddy Carlyle was on the team in first 2 months last year. Its the nature of the beast. They aren’t going to call up a starter to become a reliever if they need emergency bullpen help, they will call up a reliever on the 40 man. Thats how Amauri Sanit got time in may last year.

  97. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    “No worries, Rich, but I think you whiffed on both of those comments. 0-2 count, protect the plate!”

    Maybe, I don’t feel like re-reading, but I am right that Mattingly would have been a better choice than Girardi, and that’s what everything I posted on this thread flows from.

  98. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    They picked up Jeff Marquez and put him in the pen for a month in June. Lance Pendleton.

  99. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    If they thought that Kontos was so hot, he would have called up before those listed and well before September. He was a starter and reliever.

  100. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Aaaaaaaand that’s strike 3.

    m, I was going to say that I bet Kontos’ mother is actually pretty excited that he’s going to be playing in the big leagues with the Giants, but it looks like they’ve optioned him to AAA Fresno. :oops:

  101. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    If they thought that Kontos was so hot, he would have called up before those listed and well before September. He was a starter and reliever.

    It was his first full season back from TJS. And he wasn’t on the 40 man all year.

  102. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Well, Rich, according to you and based on a $200 mil payroll, anybody could have managed that team.

  103. BD (Boston Dave) April 6th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Is there a move the Yankees could make that wouldn’t lead to arguing and complaining on here from somebody?

    Doesn’t seem like it.

  104. Deal With It April 6th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Can someone explain what a ‘darbodla’ is ? ?

  105. Tar April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    “Aaaaaaaand that’s strike 3.”

    Stop being so authoritarian!!! :mad:

  106. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    “Well, Rich, according to you and based on a $200 mil payroll, anybody could have managed that team.”

    Mattingly doesn’t snivel when he laughs.

    “Is there a move the Yankees could make that wouldn’t lead to arguing and complaining on here from somebody?”

    K-U-R-O-D-A

  107. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Infact, Kontos wasn’t on the 40 man until september, so he has all 3 options. They could have kept him around for 3 more seasons as potential bullpen help but shipped him off unnecessarily for a valueless player.

  108. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    “Aaaaaaaand that’s strike 3.”

    You can’t be both the pitcher and the umpire,

  109. m April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Nick,

    No worries. Mom’s tweeting that she’s been assured that George will be the first RH reliever called up.

  110. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    This is funny! Arguing about Kontos, Stewart and Cervelli? Really? THis team has Jeter, Cano, A-Rod, Teixeira, Granderson, Swisher, Martin, Sabathia, Kuroda, Robertson and Mo and you are arguing about Kontos and Stewart?

  111. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Don Mattingly may go on to become a Hall of Fame manager.

    But doesn’t Don Mattingly actually have to win something AS a manager to to support the assumption he’ll/he’d be a very good manager?

    And this is being asked by someone who couldn’t possibly be a bigger Don Mattingly fan.

    [Its about the quality...]

  112. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    No one’s not appreciating that we begin our quest for #28 tomorrow. However, you come onto the blog and there is a discussion going on, one thread only, so you weigh in on what is being discussed. Then if someone brings up a new subject and it’s interesting, you interact on that subject; if not you continue on the same old one. Blame it on the nature of the one thread blog. You have three choices: either b*tch about the nature of the thread, scroll past or change the conversation to another topic.

  113. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    “Stop being so authoritarian!!!”

    Did you just work a “Bull Durham” reference into this farce? Very well done, Tar.

    :golfclap:

  114. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 am
    “Well, Rich, according to you and based on a $200 mil payroll, anybody could have managed that team.”

    Mattingly doesn’t snivel when he laughs.

    “Is there a move the Yankees could make that wouldn’t lead to arguing and complaining on here from somebody?”

    K-U-R-O-D-A

    //////

    Hi Rich,

    I think there some posters that didn’t like the signing, at least at first. So there you go, BD has a point. What I would say is, what’s the point of a blog if it’s not for discussing and arguing the team’s moves?

  115. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    “What I would say is, what’s the point of a blog if it’s not for discussing and arguing the team’s moves?”

    But then there’s the secondary narrative about whether or not the discussion and arguing is worthy of discussion and arguing. :P

  116. EA April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Girardi is a yes-man of the highest order – which is why the organization hired him in the 1st place after Torre. He is an extension of Cashman

    I’m hardly a fan of him, but the buck stops with Cashman. If Cashman wanted Jesus to catch, Girardi would listen.

    Perhaps this has become like a Rex Ryan-Mike T. relationship where the GM has now adopted the philosophies of the coach/manager. Still, he is the GM and has final say on everything.

    I just think this has become Cashman’s style now – impulsive and outdated in his views, and highly outspoken and frankly, quite clueless. His plan is inconsistent and has more faith in players from other teams than he does his own guys.

  117. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    3 months from now, the only people that will know that George Kontos ever lived will be his mom.

  118. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    K-U-R-O-D-A
    ____
    Rich, almost but not exactly. In spite of his pitching acumen and peripherals, there is the he hasn’t yet pitched in the AL crowd angle, which I don’t agree with, but people are entitled to their opinion.

  119. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    3 months from now, the only people that will know that George Kontos ever lived will be his mom.

    So you’re saying he is going to be out of baseball 3 months into the season? This has nothing to do with his trade value or what any of the complaints are about.

  120. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am
    “What I would say is, what’s the point of a blog if it’s not for discussing and arguing the team’s moves?”

    But then there’s the secondary narrative about whether or not the discussion and arguing is worthy of discussion and arguing.

    ===============

    :D And then there is the even more secondary narrative about the quality of the worthiness of discussion and arguing ;)

  121. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Exactly Green.

  122. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am
    “What I would say is, what’s the point of a blog if it’s not for discussing and arguing the team’s moves?”

    But then there’s the secondary narrative about whether or not the discussion and arguing is worthy of discussion and arguing.
    ___
    You also forgot to include whether the poster is or isn’t sincere.

  123. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    luis! :D

  124. ZMAN April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    “But doesn’t Don Mattingly actually have to win something AS a manager to to support the assumption he’ll/he’d be a very good manager?”

    stuckey,

    This has nothing to do with Mattingly or Girardi, and everything to do with Montero and the premise that Girardi is the reason why Montero is no longer here (and the reason for being used sparingly and inconsistently last year).

  125. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    “You also forgot to include whether the poster is or isn’t sincere.”

    *slaps head*

    yf, True, and then whether or not they properly characterized the criticism, or perish the thought, overstated it, falling victim to the dreaded LoHud Fallacy.

  126. m April 6th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Sorry, YF. People can complain very other post, but one person can’t make a snarky comment without being called authoritarian?

    If people don’t like the snark, then they should scroll past. But instead we get the little inside joke snickering.

  127. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    “This has nothing to do with Mattingly or Girardi, and everything to do with Montero and the premise that Girardi is the reason why Montero is no longer here (and the reason for being used sparingly and inconsistently last year).”

    I’m sensing a LoHud Fallacy.

    hint: The budget was the primary factor, and Cashman is primarily responsible for its allocation.

  128. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 am
    Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am
    “What I would say is, what’s the point of a blog if it’s not for discussing and arguing the team’s moves?”

    But then there’s the secondary narrative about whether or not the discussion and arguing is worthy of discussion and arguing.
    ___
    You also forgot to include whether the poster is or isn’t sincere.

    /////

    Yankeefem this is spot on.

  129. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    It’s past midnight, and all I have to say is: C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  130. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    “Sorry, YF. People can complain very other post, but one person can’t make a snarky comment without being called authoritarian?”

    m

    We all have thick skin, right? We all characterize or mischaracterize other’s intentions on a regular basis.

    Why does one word fall outside of that frame so easily?

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Well, I need to get some sleep for my pretend trip to Allentown tomorrow for the Betances start.

    Should be back around 11-ish, I’d say, but give me about an hour to settle in and log onto Pinstripes Plus so I can lift some apt pitching metaphors from Patrick Teale, after which I will come in here and attempt to pass them off as my own firsthand observations, waxing my poetics into the a.m. for your reading pleasure.

    I will have to watch the Yankees’ opener in a pretend wireless cafe, so I’ll be rooting C and the boys on with muted cheers, so as not to upset the locals, who are staunch Phillies fans.

    Until then, a good night to one and all.

  132. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    ZMAN April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 am
    “But doesn’t Don Mattingly actually have to win something AS a manager to to support the assumption he’ll/he’d be a very good manager?”

    stuckey,

    This has nothing to do with Mattingly or Girardi, and everything to do with Montero and the premise that Girardi is the reason why Montero is no longer here (and the reason for being used sparingly and inconsistently last year).

    ////////

    Wrong again. Montero has nothing to do with this. We are only evaluating in hindsight what move would have made more sense, knowing what we know now.

  133. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Pruf, I will see you at the fake ballpark in Allentown. I will lift my scouting reports from any faux scouts’ tweets on the game that I can find. Safe trip.

  134. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    GN JAP, see you tomorrow. Have a good one my friend

  135. EA April 6th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Why hire a great ex-player? It just makes it tougher to fire him when it’s time to go.

  136. m April 6th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Is there a strike 4 in baseball? I didn’t understand your 12:22 comment, Rich. Sorry. :(

    Anyway, post away. Maybe the authoritarian thing played itself out a long time ago. Jokes and barbs don’t recycle well. :P

  137. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    I think the reason Montero isn’t here is the following:

    1. The Yankee organization after seeing him for a number of seasons concluded that he was not going to be a good major league catcher.

    2. There was no place for him on this team if he wasn’t going to catch.

    3. Starting pitching is valuable and the opportunity to get a good young arm like Pineda with great upside potential could not be ignored.

    Girardi had nothing to do with it.

  138. Tar April 6th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    YF and J AL

    Have a good trip enjoy the game!!

    PS leave the poor Poets alone they have suffered enough.

    Good night Yankee fans.

  139. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    You have three choices: either b*tch about the nature of the thread, scroll past or change the conversation to another topic.

    __________________

    You forgot a 4th option, YF.

    Converse about the current topic.

    Joe Girardi has a WS rings.

    He has 2 division titles and 3 PS appearances in 4 seasons.

    He’s managed the best team in baseball 1 year and the best team in the AL another.

    He’s 18-11 in the posteason (a .621 win%) and has won 4 of 6 total PS series.

    So sticking with the topic at hand, what criteria did Joe Girardi have to meet to be considered a good, successful manager?

    Serious question and effort to engage in constructive conversation about the topic at hand.

  140. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    JAP,

    Pillitiere will give you more credibility. ;)

  141. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    m

    I am merely suggesting that one description is no different than any other.

  142. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    GN TAR, have a good one

  143. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    “There was no place for him on this team if he wasn’t going to catch.”

    This is so ridiculous I shouldn’t bother responding, but what the heck.

    If Montero turns out to be a .875 or better hitter, as many “experts” expect, there isn’t a team in MLB that wouldn’t find a place for him, including the Yankees, with key offensive players aging/declining (if not this year, then soon).

  144. m April 6th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Girardi will never be considered a good or great manager. He has a sniveling laugh, he’s not asbeloved as Mattingly, and single-handedly got rid of the best hitting prospect we’ve had in decades.

  145. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Wrong again. Montero has nothing to do with this. We are only evaluating in hindsight what move would have made more sense, knowing what we know now.

    ________________________

    Fair enough.

    What do you specifically know about Don Mattingly as a manager that makes you conclude he’d be a better manager?

    …anything?

  146. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:34 am

    “Girardi will never be considered a good or great manager. He has a sniveling laugh, he’s not asbeloved as Mattingly, and single-handedly got rid of the best hitting prospect we’ve had in decades.”

    This is a passed ball.

  147. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Read my posts…..and you will know where I stand.

  148. EA April 6th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Cashman has been trying to trade Montero since 09 – before Girardi even became an established manager, before the WS win, back when he was coming off a no-playoff year and had enormous pressure on him.

    Cashman himself said he was trying to get Russell Martin from LA for years – presumably, before Girardi even was established here.

    So this Montero/catching link to Girardi doesn’t seem to fit. Unless Cashman was giving Girardi serious input on roster decisions when he wasn’t even guaranteed to be the manager the following year… these new Cashman ideologies are not new. He tried to unsuccessfully trade Montero 3 years ago, unsuccessfully tried to get Martin as well.

  149. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:33 am
    “There was no place for him on this team if he wasn’t going to catch.”

    This is so ridiculous I shouldn’t bother responding, but what the heck.

    If Montero turns out to be a .875 or better hitter, as many “experts” expect, there isn’t a team in MLB that wouldn’t find a place for him, including the Yankees, with key offensive players aging/declining (if not this year, then soon).

    Your “if Montero” is pure speculation. And many “experts” turn out to be wrong. Cashman got a young stud arm, that much was not speculation. I also believe as does most baseball management that good starting pitching is a team’s most important asset.

  150. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 12:40 am

    And many “experts” turn out to be wrong.

    So couldn’t they be wrong about him catching?

  151. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    I also believe as does most baseball management that good starting pitching is a team’s most important asset.”

    And many “experts” turn out to be wrong.

    You made this too easy.

  152. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Read my posts…..and you will know where I stand.

    ________________________

    You know nothing about Don Mattingly as a manager, as you say nothing about Don Mattingly as a manager, is the stand I get from your posts.

  153. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Never could understand how money had a damned thing to do with trading Montero. Montero and Pineda make pretty much the same money and will for quite some time. Getting a big bat will cost just as much as getting a big arm.

    This ongoing idiocy that Girardi doesn’t want a catcher on the team that was a better hitter than him is beyond belief. If that were the case, this team wouldn’t have any catchers. Martin hit half of Girardi’s career home run total and has driven in more runs in 4 different years than Girardi’s career high of 55, They have the same BA and steals more bases. he should never have been allowed on the team.

  154. m April 6th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    So what you’re saying is a circle jerk is a disgusting group think session? I give you that. I used to hate the group think thing because it was said to anyone who was pro-organization. Even though we disagreed on many things.

    But when it comes to Girardi and the same group of people who all jump in and blame him for things that you don’t even know is true, that’s just a big circle jerk.

    I’ll stop using that term now. Gross, stuckey!

  155. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 12:39 am
    Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:33 am
    “There was no place for him on this team if he wasn’t going to catch.”

    This is so ridiculous I shouldn’t bother responding, but what the heck.

    If Montero turns out to be a .875 or better hitter, as many “experts” expect, there isn’t a team in MLB that wouldn’t find a place for him, including the Yankees, with key offensive players aging/declining (if not this year, then soon).

    Your “if Montero” is pure speculation. And many “experts” turn out to be wrong. Cashman got a young stud arm, that much was not speculation. I also believe as does most baseball management that good starting pitching is a team’s most important asset.

    //////

    We had plenty of pitching depth….only one bat above A ball…we traded the only bat for another pitcher that may or may not reach his ceiling, that was another especulation. We traded to “if’s” , one that we didn’t have many, for one that we have plenty. Doesn’t makes sense no matter how you look at it.

  156. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    “Never could understand how money had a damned thing to do with trading Montero. Montero and Pineda make pretty much the same money and will for quite some time. Getting a big bat will cost just as much as getting a big arm.”

    That’s actually true, but when you believe that “pitching is the keys to the kingdom,” then you can understand how the Yankees under Cashman would be willing to allocate resources toward a big pitcher rather than a big hitter. Therein lies the money connection.

  157. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    I like beating a dead horse but I try to avoid circle jerkin it. Though maybe I should rethink, blood is harder to get out than…

  158. yanks 27 April 6th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    “I also believe as does most baseball management that good starting pitching is a team’s most important asset.”

    Except we already had a farm flushed with pitching, but one devoid of power bats. Trading Jesus was a poor allocation of resources for what the team has and will need in the immediate future.

    Pineda was a luxury. Montero, as soon as mid-season this year or next year, has a very good chance of being a necessity.

  159. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    GB, btw, thanks for the info on Heyer. He’s being sent back to Trenton and will pitch Tuesday.

    Stuckey, I discussed Girardi earlier today; feel free to scroll back if you are truly interested.

  160. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    “But when it comes to Girardi and the same group of people who all jump in and blame him for things that you don’t even know is true, that’s just a big circle jerk.”

    The people who defend need to check their palms for hair as well.

  161. luis April 6th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    You are always right

  162. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Martin hit half of Girardi’s career home run total ***last year and has done so, twice***

  163. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 12:49 am

    Anthem of Le Resistance?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HptaohjSbE

  164. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 12:52 am

    yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 12:47 am
    GB, btw, thanks for the info on Heyer. He’s being sent back to Trenton and will pitch Tuesday.

    Stuckey, I discussed Girardi earlier today; feel free to scroll back if you are truly interested.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If DelCarmen turns in another performance like tonight, Heyer will be back in Scranton soon.

  165. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Stuckey, I discussed Girardi earlier today; feel free to scroll back if you are truly interested.

    __________________________

    If you addressed the questions I asked, then please refer me to the approximate time and I just might, thanks.

  166. Cashmoney April 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Rich, i am not sure Mattingly would have been better than G. as far as payroll goes, the Yankees may have a 200 mil payroll but they don’t have 200 mil worth of talents…I think Joe has done good job as NY manager.

  167. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:55 am

    m,

    If somewhere out there a picture of Don Mattingly instructing Jesus Montero in the batting cage could be unearthed, things would get mighty “messy” around here.

  168. m April 6th, 2012 at 12:58 am

    My hands are always clean. I’m a free and individual thinker. I try to be logical and pragmatic about things.

  169. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 12:59 am

    You are always right
    ______________________

    No, I’m not. That’s what makes actually conversing with people about baseball interesting.

    I’ve asked you and your allies legitimate baseball questions this evening, based on subjects you all raised unsolicited by me.

    The efforts to avoid any such discourse has been transparent.

    It is apparent you all want to label any dissent with your views as “oppression” and simply pat one another on the back about how right you are.

    Why you choose to do this in a public forum which invites dissent by nature is something of a mystery.

  170. Cashmoney April 6th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    OT, speaking of big money, I think the reds will live to regret Votto’s contract a few years down the road.

  171. m April 6th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    Mattingly and Montero will both be back. So it has been prophesized on LoHud. :)

  172. luis April 6th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Cashmoney April 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am
    Rich, i am not sure Mattingly would have been better than G. as far as payroll goes, the Yankees may have a 200 mil payroll but they don’t have 200 mil worth of talents…I think Joe has done good job as NY manager.

    ////

    Hi Cash,

    He has managed the pitchers very well. But he lacks feel of the game and is incapable of thinking outside the box. I am not saying that he has been a bad manager, but we could do better.

  173. Bret The Hitman April 6th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    So many prospect huggers here LOHUD corporate office would be smart to solicit sponsorship from pennystocks.com – masters of the pump-and-dump.

  174. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    GB, Delcarmen was just a fill-in because no starters were available.

    Stuckey, I have no idea what time I posted or whether what I posted is what you are seeking.

  175. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Cashmoney

    I don’t think anyone is sure of anything until after the fact. We all offer opinions here, right?

    I don’t like Girardi’s mechanistic style of managing.

    As for player personnel decisions, it’s true that we don’t know where Girardi leaves off and Cashman begins. It’s certainly possible that everything I don’t like about Girardi’s personnel/roster deployment is on Cashman.

    But Cashman has said when Torre was the manager that he gave a manager the ability to have some control over roster construction, particularly with marginal decisions.

    So I think it’s reasonable to think that Girardi wanted Ibanez.

    I think it’s reasonable to think that Girardi wanted to use Romine over Montero at catcher as the season wore down.

    With that in mind, I think it’s reasonable to suspect that Girardi prefers defensive catchers.

    As for the $200m figure, what team in MLB gets dollar for dollar contributions, especially with high priced veterans?

    I would argue none.

    Yet I think it’s indisputable that Girardi has more talent at hand than any team except perhaps Texas.

  176. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Luis, or el siempre esta equivocado, si?

  177. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Mattingly and Montero will both be back. So it has been prophesized on LoHud. :)

    _____________________________

    And THEN the nitpicking about their abilities will begin…

  178. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    “My hands are always clean. I’m a free and individual thinker. I try to be logical and pragmatic about things.”

    And you call yourself a fan?????

  179. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Yankee management knows far more than bloggers here, especially after seeing Montero for years. They are far more qualified to assess how good a catcher he will be and how to best manage the roster. I think Cashman is very good at his job, one of the best in the business. He made this deal with eyes wide open.

  180. Cashmoney April 6th, 2012 at 1:08 am

    but we could do better.
    ——–
    maybe so, you could always look at that way or maybe you could do worse in this case with Mattingly, which is the person that is in discussion right now. I tend to think most intelligent human being learn from their mistakes and evolves …. managing in NY is a dif animal than most of other city. I am simply saying Joe aint bad. for that matter, nor is cashman, r they the best in business, not so sure.

  181. m April 6th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Yes, Rich. A glass half-full fan!

    Go, Yankees! Go, CC!

  182. luis April 6th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    You could ask anyone in here if I am an unreasonable poster. I do interact with many posters that disagree with me. And I don’t usually pat myself or others on the back just for being on the same page as I am. In fact, many times I have complemented poster that indon’t agree with for making very good and compelling cases. In many other times I have changed my view because those comments where not only compelling but convincing. Many other times when I have been wrong I have recognized it.

    So please…….

  183. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    or el siempre esta equivocado, si?

    __________________

    YF,

    Siempre?

    No es que un poco simples?

  184. Bret The Hitman April 6th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    Go, Girardi! Go Russell Martin!!! Go NY Pinedas!

  185. Abomb82 April 6th, 2012 at 1:11 am

    But what does that say about Cashman that he listens to these poor suggestions from his manager and actually acts on them? The manager wanted to trade away the next Manny and the GM is fine with that as long as it makes Girardi happy? He wants an automatic out at DH when there are better options so he says OK?

    Somehow, I think Girardi’s “power” is highly overstated.

  186. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    So please…….

    _________________

    Okay then.

    Why is Don Mattingly a better manager than Joe Girardi?

    If that isn’t a fair, relevant, topical baseball question, asked in a straightforward manner that allows for a genuine answer, can you explain why not?

  187. luis April 6th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 1:04 am
    Luis, or el siempre esta equivocado, si?

    Siempre, le digo que tiene la razón a ver si me deja tranquilo ;)

  188. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    “Yankee management knows far more than bloggers here, especially after seeing Montero for years”

    “And many “experts” turn out to be wrong ”

    You can’t have it both ways.

    But snark aside, are you freakin’ serious?

    What was the last trade for a big pitcher that Cashman got right?

  189. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Tomorrow the best team in baseball takes the field! I hope they manage to win without Kontos and Cervelli! Go Yankees!!!

  190. stuckey April 6th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    But what does that say about Cashman that he listens to these poor suggestions from his manager and actually acts on them? The manager wanted to trade away the next Manny and the GM is fine with that as long as it makes Girardi happy? He wants an automatic out at DH when there are better options so he says OK?

    Somehow, I think Girardi’s “power” is highly overstated.
    ___________________

    One of the biggest critics of the trade argues Cashman is looking to surround himself with subordinates that simply do his bidding without dissent.

    Deferring to a manager would be entirely out of character for someone of this profile.

    I believe a strategy session to solidify talking points is in order.

  191. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 1:17 am

    m

    In trisha’s poll, I picked them for 97 wins. Not enough?

  192. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 1:18 am

    Rich I like the trade and explained why. Montero was a lot to give up, but we got a young stud arm in return. This team has plenty of hitting.

  193. luis April 6th, 2012 at 1:18 am

    Abomb82 April 6th, 2012 at 1:11 am
    But what does that say about Cashman that he listens to these poor suggestions from his manager and actually acts on them? The manager wanted to trade away the next Manny and the GM is fine with that as long as it makes Girardi happy? He wants an automatic out at DH when there are better options so he says OK?

    Somehow, I think Girardi’s “power” is highly overstated.

    //////

    You are spot on on this. Girardi is the type of manager Cashman likes because he is in line of what he thinks

  194. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    “Rich I like the trade and explained why. Montero was a lot to give up, but we got a young stud arm in return. This team has plenty of hitting.”

    You can like what you want, but pitchers, especially under 26, are extremely fragile. We have already seen small signs with Pineda.

    This team did not hit well v. RHP last season (under .800 OPS), and has two key offensive players pushing 40.

    But I don’t want to discuss the stupid trade. That’s not why I don’t like Giradi.

  195. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    I’m out. Later.

  196. luis April 6th, 2012 at 1:23 am

    GN Rich, I am out too. Good night everyone, have a good one.

  197. Cashmoney April 6th, 2012 at 1:25 am

    With that in mind, I think it’s reasonable to suspect that Girardi prefers defensive catchers.
    ———-
    I think that’s a very reasonable assertion.

  198. yankeefeminista April 6th, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Good night, I too am turning in. y yo comprendo, Luis, Buenas noches.

    Stuckey, “siempre” if the intention is dishonest. But later today, let’s just stick to baseball. GN!

  199. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 1:38 am

    You can never have too much….

    take it for what it’s worth and go argue with Sherman.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....um=twitter

  200. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Yes! Back to Yankee baseball tomorrow. No more tears. Enough is enough!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-nw0o-CyA

  201. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 1:51 am

    Some of the top minor league prospects in each of the minor leagues. Lots of links to check.

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....=news_milb

  202. m April 6th, 2012 at 2:33 am

    Thanks for that article, GB7. It’s early in the season, so good pitching in general and poor offensive showing in Japan is not something to read too much into. But the fact is that there’s a lot of good pitching out there. Not just mediocre pitchers playing over their heads.

    Why did that Sherman article have a picture if Hughes when his name wasn’t even mentioned? I hope Petti-Neda make a big impact for us.

  203. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 2:54 am

    Any time, m. Not sure why the photo of Hughes. Is he now the poster child of the new movement and no longer the punching bag of the media? Could the Lohuddians be far behind? He will be worth watching.

    I’ll do what I did a couple of years ago when they all harped on his run support. What nobody ever mentioned was that 1/3rd of the so called support came after he was out of the game. That means that a lot of those games were closer than they appeared, before NY would blow the games open.

  204. Pat M. April 6th, 2012 at 2:56 am

    Team LoHud is a fractured mess, with egos running amok with the dire need to be right so these individuals feel a sense of belonging……But they’re only dragging the club down…….Time to trade the few off for a backup catcher for The Sally League…….Maybe a box of used Rawlings PB balls could be had for a Jerkface…….

  205. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 3:25 am

    Pat,

    I’d hate to overpay to move Jerky out when the used baseballs could be used for something good.

    I was looking at Hughes games in 2010 and were generally just fine. He had 6 games where he allowed 5 runs or more, and didn’t win any of them. His worst two games of the year came with 9 and 10 days rest. he dod have 3 games that he allowed 3 runs or less that he got 2 losses and a no decision…so he easily could have been a 21 game winner. even last year after his return, he made 11 starts and 8 games were 2 runs or less. those other 3, he got bombed by Oakland twice and Boston, but he took a few losses and no decisions in those games of 2 runs or less.

    Nobody ever points to Sabathia’s run support, oddly enough. Hughes has some bad games, but, not enough to take these hits. I expect a fine season, though, it will never please people because he wom’t strikeout 175 to 200 a year.

  206. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 4:39 am

    “I don’t like Girardi’s mechanistic style of managing.”

    I don’t like his managerial style either. He is not as intuitive as I expected him to be with his managerial tendencies.

    “I think it’s reasonable to think that Girardi wanted to use Romine over Montero at catcher as the season wore down.”

    IMO, I think Girardi doesn’t think Montero can be a league average catcher now or ever. I wouldnt’ be surprise if Pena felt the same way.

    “With that in mind, I think it’s reasonable to suspect that Girardi prefers defensive catchers.”

    I think Girardi can live with a league average defensive catcher that has significant offensive skills. However, he would prefer such a catcher to have a backup that had significant defensive skills.

  207. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Opening Day finally here! Weird start time whichever sucks cause ill be at work but something tells me ill find a way to watch :)

    Masters day 2

    Betances pitching (excited to read JAP and YF’s fake report ;) )

    Mason hit a triple last night

    I have my coffee

    Life is good!

  208. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Bostonians already calling for Bard to close……Bobby Vs head may be next.

  209. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    A most glorious moment yesterday was when the Sox needed some outs in the 8th and they called upon……Vincente Padilla!

  210. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    The Reds and Rangers are working towards contract extensions with Brandon Phillips [30] and Ian Kinsler[29], respectively, and ESPN’s Jim Bowden says (on Twitter) there’s some work left to be done on each. Phillips is expected to get $12.5-13MM annually, Kinsler $13.5-14MM.

    Good morning. If those two get extended at those figures can Cano[29] get/deserve significantly more?

    Looking at last years stats:
    Best fielding %-Phillips .992, Cano .987, Kinsler .984
    BA-Cano .302, Phillips .300, Kinsler .255 All had 610-623 AB’s
    Best OB%-Kinsler .355, Phillips .354, Cano .349
    Best Slugging%-Cano .533, Kinsler .477, Phillips .457
    Homers- Kinsler 32, Cano 28, Phillips 18
    SB-Kinsler 30, Phillips 14, Cano 8

    Thoughts?

  211. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Chad, thanks for these two blog posts on Stewart and Phelps! They both show what is in these guys’ hearts, which can be easy to forget.

  212. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Im talking to myself but Im in a good.mood…..where is MTU? He must still be eating his burrito

  213. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Blake-

    Mason hit a “fake” triple-game was rained out soon after the 1st inning-lightning :)

  214. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Trader,

    If those two get extended at those numbers then that’ll be good news for the Yanks…..but something tells me Boras will use Matt Kemp as more of a comp for Cano’s deal……they really need to try and extend him now…….they wont though and they’ll end up paying him 20 million per til he’s 40……

  215. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    In either case, I don’t want the Yankees getting killed on a Cano deal. They do need a walk away point. I hope they’re working on it…

  216. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Boras likely to have a 300+ page book on Cano’s body of work and his future body of work.

    NY Post article about Boras’ attempt to renegotiate back in October:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....oGcF6P9jqL

  217. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    The Yankees currently have two ideas that don’t really mesh together……they wont to operate on a budget and they want to get below 189 but at the same time they want to stick to their old mantra of no negotiating with players during an existing contract……that doesn’t work….you can’t maximize your payroll and also be willing to outbid everyone in free agency to retain your players…..so something has to give……either they are going to have to bend the budget for special players…….or they are going to have to bend their rule for special players…..

  218. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    wow, rough night on here.

    opening day at last :)

  219. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    If Hughes has a good season and they see him as a rotation fixture going forward then they should offer him a team friendly extension as well this winter and see if he bites….if they want to operate like a bigger scale TB Rays……then they need to operate like a bigger scale TB Rays and save money when they can so that they can actually maximize that 189 payroll number.

  220. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    It’s not really fair to compare Kemp and Cano since they play two different positions. Votto got that contract when compared to the other highly paid first baseman. But let’s say Boras makes a case that Cano[29] deserves what Kemp[27] gets.

    Based only on last years stats:
    Best Fielding %-Cano .987, Kemp .986
    Best BA Kemp .324, Cano .302
    Best OB%- Kemp .399, Cano .349
    Best Slugging%-Kemp .586, Cano .533
    Homers- Kemp 40, Cano 28
    SB Kemp 40, Cano 8

    Now does anyone feel that Cano deserves 7-8M more than Kinsler and Phillips, or even the equal of Kemp?

  221. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    “either they are going to have to bend the budget for special players…….or they are going to have to bend their rule for special players…..”

    blake-

    they probably need new management to think about things differently.

    this one is too entrenched in what they have been doing under the old rules.

  222. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    How does Kemp deserve the amount of money he got? That’s the better question. Cano plays a far more premium position, and he’s been a more consistently excellent player.

  223. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Blake-

    I’m not sure that the Yankees will now stick to no contract extension negotiations and wait until key players become FA’s. The disadvantage the Yankees have, is virtually all but about 2 other teams, the Red Sox and Phillies, still have plenty of room to overpay for key free agents and still stay under the LT cap.

  224. blake April 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    “How does Kemp deserve the amount of money he got? That’s the better question. Cano plays a far more premium position, and he’s been a more consistently excellent player.”

    CF is a pretty premium position and he’s actually two years younger than Cano…..that Kemp extension was probably a bargain for the Dodgers when you compare it to some of the contracts that were given out this winter…..Id much rather have Kemp for the next 10 years than Fielder or Votto…..and he got less than both of them.

  225. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    RadioKev-

    Good point. However can you name a better consistent second baseman than Brandon Phillips, who is probably the current 2nd best second baseman after Cano and less than one year older?

  226. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    New Post—->

    Thoughts again if Cano deserves/gets more than Kinsler or Phillips?

  227. blake April 6th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    “this one is too entrenched in what they have been doing under the old rules.”

    I think they are sorta at a turning point……if they are going to embrace this new CBA and lower payroll then they have already shifted away from what George would have done to some degree…..so they might as well become more efficient to compensate for it…..what they can’t do is change one thing ans keep the other the same….because that makes no sense at all.

  228. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I am here Blake.

    Drinking my coffee but not yet having delved into my burrito just yet.

    Happy to see you are in a good mood.

  229. theoldCrow April 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I watched Tigers Red Sox with both eyes open. Verlander hit 97 a few times, his 4 pitches were stellar, you have a better chance winning at power ball then getting a 2 strike hit off him, he’s hands down the best starter in Baseball. Melancon gave up two hits, one should have been caught, Aceves inherited two runners, faced two batters, hit one, and A-Jax (3 hits on the day) stroked a rope walk off hit past the diving Punto at 3rd base.

    Detroit’s line-up lethal, 5 hits from 7-8 in the line-up, Cabrera and Fielder in the middle are scary, they rolled over some pitches so they are susceptible to the DP and their D is suspect.

    Boston’s out field D was terrible, that’s what lost them that game,. Lester looked very sharp. Aceves was a great middle reliever he got the ball to Bard and Papelbon in 2011, their pen
    has been weakened considerably, still a great 1-5 in the line-up, but 6-9 is not gonna scare anybody.

    Detroit will bash average pitching, they’ll be a handful in a short 5 or 7 game series. Papa Grande finally slipped on that banana peel, a few months too late but you could see his streak coming to an end, finally it did, he might be someone to watch, he looked terrible yesterday.


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