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Thursday notes: Cervelli still next in line behind the plate

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Apr 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The day after the Yankees set their Opening Day roster, most of the questions seemed to center on guys who aren’t on the list. What’s next for Andy Pettitte? Is there a rehab plan for Michael Pineda? And, once again, why is Francisco Cervelli not on this team?

“I think he’s one of the best 60 catchers in the game, without a doubt,” Brian Cashman said. “I just think that right now, we have maybe three of the best 60 catchers in the game. That’s good for us, but obviously that’s not good for him because one of them is out of options and he’s not that guy.”

Chris Stewart took an overnight flight from California and joined the team this morning. He’s actually somewhat familiar with some of the pitching staff, having previously caught Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. As for Cervelli, he’s been shipped to Lehigh Valley for the Triple-A team’s opening series against the IronPigs.

He’s no longer the Yankees backup, but he’s still second in line for the starting job. Joe Girardi said today that Cervelli would become the starter if Russell Martin got hurt. He’s in Triple-A strictly because that’s the only way the Yankees could make it work while increasing their catching depth with Stewart.

“I think (Cervelli) would play the majority of the games is Russell got hurt,” Girardi said.

Essentially, the Yankees backup plan went from Cervelli/Craig Tatum to Cervelli/Stewart. They see that as an upgrade worth losing a pretty good young relief pitcher. Who they’re carrying as a backup on Opening Day isn’t a huge issue — it is for Cervelli, obviously, but the Yankees seem happy with either option — so this is really about a Plan B should Martin get hurt.

“If we had a problem and all of a sudden we’re vulnerable, and I went out of my way to look for someone to fix it, it’s going to cost,” Cashman said. “At that position it’s going to cost. Now, I don’t feel as vulnerable.”

• Michael Pineda made 25 throws today and experience no problems, but the Yankees are still uncertain about what comes next for him. “What he had was mild, at least by the MRI,” Cashman said. “It was hopefully nothing but a bump in the road. At the same time, you’ve got to wait until he’s back doing what he’s supposed to be doing, so I give that with a little bit of a caveat.”

• Andy Pettitte is not with the team. He’s back in Tampa preparing for his first minor league start, which will probably come on Monday. “I would anticipate that he’ll be on a regular schedule now,” Joe Girardi said. “Throw a side in couple of days, make a start and just continue to build up.”

• It’s too early to know which of Pettitte and Pineda will be ready first. “I can’t really tell you on that until Pineda starts throwing,” Girardi said. “We have to talk about when we think he’s going to pick up a baseball and start playing catch, when do we feel he’ll be on a mound, when do we feel he’s going to be in a game? We haven’t gotten to that, yet. He’s built up, though. That’s the difference. Depending on how long he sits out, we’ll have a difference of when he could be back.”

• Girardi’s made it clear that he plans to play Eduardo Nunez against left-handers, using that as an opportunity to DH either Alex Rodriguez or Derek Jeter. That likely means Brett Gardner will get a lot of days off against lefties while Andruw Jones plays left field. As for Nunez, the Yankees seem to really believe he’ll be productive this season, and they’re planning to start him Saturday against David Price. “I’m not waiting a month this year (to put him in the lineup),” Girardi said.

• Girardi on David Phelps making the team: “I think it’s important that he really soaks in tomorrow. I tell the players, ‘Just take a second and realize where you’re at, what you’ve worked so hard for your whole life and dreamt about.’ It’s a pretty neat feeling the first time your name is called and you go out there.”

• CC Sabathia had a slight head cold for his final spring start in Miami, but he said that’s gone. “I feel fine now,” he said. “That’s still no excuse for why I didn’t pitch good (last time). It’s just one of those nights.”

• Sabathia was occasionally disappointed by his fastball command this spring. “It was pretty good in my bullpen (after the last start),” he said. “I was excited about that. I throw everything off my fastball — my changeup, my cutter, everything. I need to have that to be able to pitch well.”

• Cashman on Alfredo Aceves being named the Red Sox closer: “When he’s healthy he’s not afraid of anything and he’s capable of everything.”

• Random clubhouse note: Eric Chavez has moved into the locker that Jorge Posada was always assigned here at the Trop. Chavez is now in the row of veterans that includes Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Andruw Jones and Mark Teixeira.

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298 Responses to “Thursday notes: Cervelli still next in line behind the plate”

  1. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Bobby goes to Aceves

  2. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “I think he’s one of the best 60 catchers in the game, without a doubt,” Brian Cashman said. “I just think that right now, we have maybe three of the best 60 catchers in the game.”

    Um…did he trade for a completely different Chris Stewart than the one who is being reported?

  3. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Now that’s the Mark Melancon I remember.

  4. Erin April 5th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Wait, how did I not know Aceves is their closer?? Weird.

  5. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    re-post because no ugly jackboots can silence my spirited dissent:

    “…so what is all of your theories on Pineda? Anybody else think this might be a fake injury?”

    Hi Michelle B! The loudest theory here about Pineda is that his presence in pinstripes is an unforgivable Cashman blunder, our offense has been undermined until 2017, and Randy Levine probably sabotaged his shoulder just to mock the paying customers. If you disagree with this theory, there’s a good chance that you’re worse than Hitler.

    I don’t think it’s a fake injury, but hopefully it’s just a very mild injury and his shoulder will be fine and his velocity will be back as he builds his strength back up.

  6. Bronx Jeers April 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “I think he’s one of the best 60 catchers in the game, without a doubt,” Brian Cashman said. “I just think that right now, we have maybe three of the best 60 catchers in the game

    ——————–

    59. Cervelli
    60. Stewart

    Too generous ? :wink:

  7. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Bobby is probably thinking…….man I wish I had a closer.

  8. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Bronx Jeers April 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “I think he’s one of the best 60 catchers in the game, without a doubt,” Brian Cashman said. “I just think that right now, we have maybe three of the best 60 catchers in the game

    ——————–

    59. Cervelli
    60. Stewart

    Too generous ?

    ——————–

    Much.

  9. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    If Chris Stewart were one of the games 60 best, he would not have been never playing for the past 6 years

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    YESSIRREEE!!!!

    :)

  11. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    “Wait, how did I not know Aceves is their closer??”

    They haven’t told him yet, either. And he hasn’t really closed anything, so it’s still a work in progress.

    :grin:

  12. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Ex yankees doing the heavy lifting in detroit

  13. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Former Yankee got the Red Sox into a jam, another former Yankee couldn’t get them out of it, and a third former Yankee beat them…go former Yankees.

  14. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    If Chris Stewart were one of the games 60 best, he would not have been never playing for the past 6 years
    —————

    Well said.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Erin, Ace was just named closer in the past few days. Now that Drew Bailey is out for the foreseeable future, they named Ace closer.

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Sux in last place in the AL East.

    :D

  17. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    That Melancon/Aceves combo is gonna cost them a lot of games…..Aceves isn’t a closer….and Melancon has the straightest fastball ever.

  18. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Im sorry but this opening… week and 1/2 has been awful. The mariners/A’s play an abbreviated series in Japan. The Marlins opened for 1 game at home and then flew to cincinnati??? whats the point of all this.

    The yankees have 2 days between the opener and when they actually get to play. Ridiculous.

  19. Game of Inches April 5th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Yanks still tormenting the Red Sox even in Detroit.

    Heh :)

  20. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    .and Melancon has the straightest fastball ever
    ——————-

    and the guts of a cabbage patch doll.

  21. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    and Melancon has the straightest fastball ever.

    Deceptive camera angle and over the top delivery. Melancon will be fine.

  22. Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “Um…did he trade for a completely different Chris Stewart than the one who is being reported?”

    For real.

  23. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Im sorry but this opening… week and 1/2 has been awful. The mariners/A’s play an abbreviated series in Japan. The Marlins opened for 1 game at home and then flew to cincinnati??? whats the point of all this.!

    Stupidity!

  24. Game of Inches April 5th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Valverde blows the save – we miss the stupid dance – and the Red Sox still blow it in the 9th

    A win-win. :)

  25. yanks 27 April 5th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Their whole evaluation of catching and catchers is bewildering.

  26. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    The two takeaways from that game are:

    1) Sox bullpen will be a huge drag for them.

    2) Austin Jackson’s BABIP is clearly unsustainable.

  27. Bronx Jeers April 5th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I love that Sox fans already had their hopes raised and then dashed on day 1.

    Wicked awesome.

  28. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    “Deceptive camera angle and over the top delivery. Melancon will be fine.”

    I think he’ll be ok….I think is more of a middle reliever than a legit set up guy though….he had a good season last year…..small sample size in a weak division in games that never mattered.

  29. Erin April 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Nick- :)

  30. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    “Valverde blows the save – we miss the stupid dance – and the Red Sox still blow it in the 9th”

    It was perfect

  31. yanks 27 April 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The whole ‘off-day’ between the 1st and 2nd games in cold weather cities is dumb too. I know why they do it, but it disrupts the flow.

    And every series should start the same day, except the World Champs… and why are they playing on the road?

  32. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Is it too late to change my guess on the Sox’ win total??????

    (I did invest $ in the under 90.5 wins prop bet.)

  33. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Rich in NJ April 5th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “Um…did he trade for a completely different Chris Stewart than the one who is being reported?”

    For real.
    ———————-

    I mean I give Cash the benefit of the doubt in most situations, but when I read that I thought it was a belated April Fool’s joke by the GM.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    “He’s no longer the Yankees backup, but he’s still second in line for the starting job. Joe Girardi said today that Cervelli would become the starter if Russell Martin got hurt. He’s in Triple-A strictly because that’s the only way the Yankees could make it work while increasing their catching depth with Stewart.

    “I think (Cervelli) would play the majority of the games is Russell got hurt,” Girardi said.

    So everyone get over it and stop questioning beyond the obvious.

    ****************

    How about this? On the postgame, the NESN put up stats on Mark MALANCON.

    Pathetic, top to bottom.

  35. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    The silver lining for Boston is that Lackey can’t pitch the next game.

  36. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Justin Masterson is completely dominating Toronto

  37. Bronx Jeers April 5th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    @bkabak: Our plan to infiltrate the Red Sox bullpen with former Yankees still loyal to the club is already paying off.

  38. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Cashman’s comment about Stewart kind of reminds me of when he said Wil Nieves gave the team “great energy” behind the plate.

    Stewart is a nice defensive catcher – but he is not a major leaguer and shouldn’t ever be confused for one; just as Cervelli shouldn’t be confused for a starting catcher in the majors.

  39. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    gotta love Gibson. Doesn’t care one bit about writers and their egos.

    Ken Rosenthal ? @Ken_Rosenthal

    @JackMagruder: Gibson on “experts” saying Dbacks in WS: “Hope they’re right, but they don’t know what they are talking about.”

  40. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Bobby V didn’t give Melancon much rope.

  41. Game of Inches April 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Bronx Jeers April 5th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    @bkabak: Our plan to infiltrate the Red Sox bullpen with former Yankees still loyal to the club is already paying off.

    Not to mention ex-Yankee (farmhand) OFers :)

  42. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Bobby V didn’t give Melancon much rope.
    ——————-

    Gave him enough to hang the team with though.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “Is it too late to change my guess on the Sox’ win total??????”

    That would be a yes.

  44. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Then I’d better hope they don’t face Verlander for the next 161 games. :neutral:

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Just saw Pete Abe on NESN. He’s GROSS!!!!! I had never seen him “in person” before.

  46. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “Gave him enough to hang the team with though.”

    Not really. Melancon gave up a double. Bobby V then had him intentionally walk the next guy and took him out.

  47. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Not really. Melancon gave up a double. Bobby V then had him intentionally walk the next guy and took him out.

    Gave up 2 singles!

  48. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Oops, losing my mind. That was a different inning. Sorry!

  49. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    That was a pretty funny site on ESPN. 30 people looking for Phil Mickelson’s ball in the trees. No luck. :lol:

  50. yanks 27 April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Melancon isn’t his closer though – it would be like Giardi pulling Robertson in a tie game with runners on to bring in MO.

    Actually, come to think of it, that sounds absurd in the regular season.

  51. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Cashman also said “Chris Stewart is an exceptional defensive player, right out of the Jose Molina mold. Cervelli is obviously a better hitter than he is and I think an exceptional defensive player too.”

    That’s right, he said Cervelli is an exceptional defensive player. Maybe an exceptional fist pumper. Maybe exceptional enthusiasm…

    In other words, you can’t take anything Cashman says seriously.

  52. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    They were hitting lasers off Melancon….I think Bobby probably thought Aceves might coukd get a double play ball ……they are gonna have to put Bard in the pen.

  53. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    But still. Fly out, single, single. If you are going to bring in Melancon I say stick with him.

    Of course, I was rooting for the Sox to lose which might be biasing my judgment.

  54. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    They were hitting lasers off Melancon….I think Bobby probably thought Aceves might coukd get a double play ball ……they are gonna have to put Bard in the pen.
    —————–

    Or make a trade for a third closer.

  55. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Augusta playing tough today.

  56. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    It was a funny sight. Not a funny website.

  57. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    “Or make a trade for a third closer.”

    Bowden mentioned Street……

  58. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    They were hitting lasers off Melancon….I think Bobby probably thought Aceves might coukd get a double play ball ……

    Both were soft flies. Aceves is a flyball pitcher. Inaccurate!

  59. grouchonyy April 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Watched two games. Mets on SNY and Sux on the iPad. What struck me about Met telecast was the extraordinary number of PSAs between innings, as if the Mets, in addition to all their other woes, can’t sell ad space. That team is in a world of hurt.

    As to Sux, that bullpen is going to be a major problem. Verlander should have finished that game. There was no reason to bring in Valverde. Valverde is always an adventure and was very lucky last season.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Just got to see Bobby V’s first postgame interview as Sux manager!

    He looked kind of ill.

    :D

    And who better to croon this tune, than -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  61. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Mets will place Andres Torres on the DL with a strained calf now their season has officially begun.

    Justin Maxwell would be a very good fit for them.

  62. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Verlander must have hit his pitch count limit. I notice the Phillies did the same thing with Halladay.

    Verlander was absolutely dominating today.

  63. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Verlander must have hit his pitch count limit. I notice the Phillies did the same thing with Halladay.

    Verlander was absolutely dominating today.
    ——————-

    First game of the season – makes sense that managers don’t want their starters going over 100 pitches.

  64. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Strasberg also got pulled at 82 pitches… Maybe we are seeing a meta shift towards ’4 inning guys’ instead of starters :twisted:

  65. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Let’s try that again.

    Cashman also said “Chris Stewart is an exceptional defensive player, right out of the Jose Molina mold. Cervelli is obviously a better hitter than he is and I think an exceptional defensive player too.”

    That’s right, he said Cervelli is an exceptional defensive player. Maybe an exceptional fist pumper. Maybe exceptional enthusiasm…

    In other words, you can’t take anything Cashman says seriously.

  66. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Strasberg also got pulled at 82 pitches… Maybe we are seeing a meta shift towards ’4 inning guys’ instead of starters
    —————-

    First game, weather’s cool, I wouldn’t read too much into it other than that.

  67. blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    “Both were soft flies. Aceves is a flyball pitcher. Inaccurate!”

    No they weren’t….Rayburn just missed a HR….the others were solid contact….they were getting really good swings against him and Aceves and was more likely to get a ground ball than Melancon

  68. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Let’s try that again.

    Cashman also said “Chris Stewart is an exceptional defensive player, right out of the Jose Molina mold. Cervelli is obviously a better hitter than he is and I think an exceptional defensive player too.”

    That’s right, he said Cervelli is an exceptional defensive player. Maybe an exceptional fist pumper. Maybe exceptional enthusiasm…

    In other words, you can’t take anything Cashman says seriously.
    —————————-

    Well in fairness you can’t expect Cashman to go up there and say “Cervelli stinks defensively so we wanted a better defensive guy back there even if he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.”

  69. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    “I just think that right now, we have maybe three of the best 60 catchers in the game.”

    notice cashman didn’t say one of the best 60 throwing catchers in the game.

    that was just dumb luck i guess that they got a guy in stewart who throws out almost 40% of runners.

    what a nice coincidence :)

  70. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    blake April 5th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    “Both were soft flies. Aceves is a flyball pitcher. Inaccurate!”

    No they weren’t….Rayburn just missed a HR….the others were solid contact….they were getting really good swings against him and Aceves and was more likely to get a ground ball than Melancon
    ——————

    and Melancon is soft whereas Aceves has the kind of attitude that makes you think he might be able to get you out of that spot…

    Though really neither of them are closers (at least not if you want to be a good team)

  71. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Well in fairness you can’t expect Cashman to go up there and say “Cervelli stinks defensively so we wanted a better defensive guy back there even if he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.”

    Exactly. Cashman is just going to paint a rosy picture as often as possible.

  72. Chip April 5th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Stewart’s % of catching baserunners is overblown – there have only been 72 attempted steals against him in his ML career.

  73. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    if i had a catcher who had a sore arm who i didn’t want the league to pick on, i might send him to triple a to give him time to strengthen the arm.

    in the majors there’s no break once other teams smell blood in the water.

    at triple a he simply doesn’t need to catch much.

  74. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    “and Melancon is soft”

    I don’t think you can say that. But he was leaving his pitches up.

  75. yanks 27 April 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    There is nothing rosy to paint about Stewart – he sucks. Cervelli is Jonathan Bench compared to him.

  76. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Wasn’t Justin Masterson some overhyped, Peter Gammons/ESPN-enabled prospect the Red Sox used to rob the Cleveland Indians of Victor Martinez, which was going to make the difference for them in October.

    Thought I read that here once.

  77. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    “at triple a he simply doesn’t need to catch much.”

    I assume Cervelli will be the starting catcher for the Empire State Yankees.

  78. blake April 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Verlander was unbelievable today….and he didnt have anywhere close to his best fastball….he’s become a real pitcher.

  79. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    “Stewart’s % of catching baserunners is overblown – there have only been 72 attempted steals against him in his ML career.”

    yes other teams always attempt a lot steals when the catcher has a good throwing arm.

  80. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Chip April 5th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    Stewart’s % of catching baserunners is overblown – there have only been 72 attempted steals against him in his ML career.

    56 attempts in the majors last year. Teams aren’t going to attempt as much because they know his arm.

    Also, in the minors there have been 596 attempts and he has thrown out 45%. He’s got a cannon.

  81. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “I assume Cervelli will be the starting catcher for the Empire State Yankees.”

    not necessarily .

    i find it really odd how no one on the yankees mentions the 14% number with cervelli.

    it’s a really bad number that opposing teams must love.

    i still think he has a chronic sore arm.

  82. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “at triple a he simply doesn’t need to catch much.”

    Will Cervelli sit in AAA?

  83. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    cervelli doesn’t have to catch every day in triple a.

  84. blake April 5th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Cervelli will catch every day at AAA if he’s really next in line if Martin gets hurt.

  85. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    No they weren’t….Rayburn just missed a HR….the others were solid contact….they were getting really good swings against him and Aceves and was more likely to get a ground ball than Melancon

    Solid contact? Both were soft line drives. Singles! Opposite field jobs on all 3 batters, not like they were pulling him with authority. Aceves, a flyball pitcher, is not more likely to get a ground ball than a ground ball specialist like Melancon. Also less likely to get a strike out and more likely to walk someone! Raburn hit a flyball that was caught on the grass infront of the warning track.

    You have to believe in some intangible that Aceves has like Chip. Aceves hasn’t been the same since his back trouble in 2010. Melancon wasn’t playing little league in Houston. Astros might have been a bad team but they faced good ones.

  86. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    “i find it really odd how no one on the yankees mentions the 14% number with cervelli.”

    Well, actions speak louder than words, so maybe not.

  87. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    “Cervelli will catch every day at AAA if he’s really next in line if Martin gets hurt.”

    what if he has a sore arm they are trying to rest?

  88. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    “what if he has a sore arm they are trying to rest?”

    DL?

  89. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Cervelli last year in 300 innings had 28 attempts.

    Christ Stewart in 460 innings had 56 attempts against.

    The medusa like gaze of Francisco Cervelli!?

  90. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    So Cervelli’s catching frequency should settle whether he’s been sent to AAA to rest up a phantom sore arm, no?

  91. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    “Christ Stewart in 460 innings had 56 attempts against.”

    Stewart isn’t the Yankee Savior yet.

  92. blake April 5th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    JF,

    Melancon is a ground ball pitcher? Would y ou have left him in there? Looked like he was up in the zone and they were taking good swings against him to me…..

  93. yankeefeminista April 5th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Cervelli’s catching tonight for SWB and batting 8th.

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=12323

    Also according to tomorrow’s MiLB sched:

    INT Scranton/WB – Lehigh Valley April 6th, 7:05 pm: Betances, Dellin (0-0, -.–) – Hyatt, Austin (0-0, -.–)

    Campos pitches in Charleston tomorrow vs. Rome. Anyone going to the game?

  94. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Melancon was definitely up in the zone. But I don’t see how yanking him in that situation is goining to help his confidence any. If Bobby V thinks Melancon can close, leave him in to find out.

  95. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    “DL?”

    not if his arm is just sore.

    he gets by as long as the other team doesn’t pick on him.

    teaming him up with sabathia or pettitte would allow them to spot him because they are harder to run.

    i just think the 14 % thing is getting old. it’s been two years of it.

    i think they want cervelli to improve on it.

    what better way would there be to get his attention than replacing him with a better throwing catcher?

  96. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Melancon is a ground ball pitcher? Would y ou have left him in there? Looked like he was up in the zone and they were taking good swings against him to me…..

    56% GBs last year, was a GB pitcher in the minors. They were getting jammed/fighting his pitches off because he was leaving his fastball up. So in that sense, maybe Bobby V wanted to make the change.

    But if he was looking for a groundball from Aceves he went to the wrong well. 35% GB rate with the Yankees in 09, 39% with the Sox last year. He is a flyball guy.

    Bobby V prolly thought he’d closer his way out of it.

  97. blake April 5th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    JF

    Maybe so…..I’ve just never been terribly impressed with Melancon……maybe I’ve just seen him on the wrong days but every time he’s been up and had a hard rime commanding with that long arm action.

  98. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Perhaps the best way for Cervelli to improve his throwing is to catch every day at AAA.

    Anyway, except for Cervelli personally, that deal is not the end of the world either way. I just think it was a very hard-hearted move by the Yanks.

  99. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    “So Cervelli’s catching frequency should settle whether he’s been sent to AAA to rest up a phantom sore arm, no?”

    yes, but the downside of him not having a sore arm is that he just plain stinks at throwing to second base.

    i was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt by suggesting he may have a sore arm.

    let me put it another way. he either has a sore arm or he really sucks at throwing out runners.

    no one sticks around for long throwing out 14% of runners.

    sore arms are more temporary than just plain being bad.

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  103. rm April 5th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Ace got him the ground ball. Inside the third base line by quite a bit. I wonder if Youkillus would have got to that one if they didnt pinhc run for A-Gon

  104. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    “and Melancon is soft”

    I don’t think you can say that. But he was leaving his pitches up.

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  105. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    “I wonder if Youkillus would have got to that one if they didnt pinhc run for A-Gon”

    No way. Only way that ball would have been caught is if the third baseman was guarding the line, which in that situation wouldn’t happen.

  106. blake April 5th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Bottom line….Bobby V doesn’t have a lot of options out there in that pen…..Padilla throwing high leverage?

  107. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

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  108. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    It’s “high leverage” for any player sitting on the edge of no job.

  109. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    ” I just think it was a very hard-hearted move by the Yanks.”

    Well, it’s certainly tough for our Dreamy Eyes, but was it really so hard-hearted? I think that depends on why they really did it.

    If it was really because of Cervelli’s low caught-stealing %, then yeah, they’ve known about that for some time and could have made a move before the last day of ST.

    But the timing of the move and their rhetoric since suggests the CS % theory is — sorry — mostly bunk. Romine was supposed to be the regular AAA catcher, but he just had a setback in his recovery and they decided they wanted more depth. So they get the guy with no options and — for the time being — Cervelli is the odd man out.

    I guess how much one believes the company line will inform how one feels about the hardheartedness of the move.

  110. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    So they get the guy with no options and — for the time being — Cervelli is the odd man out.

    I guess how much one believes the company line will inform how one feels about the hardheartedness of the move.

    They had Tatum and Gustavo Molina to cover Romine in AAA. This idea of depth is suggesting that they are worried that the backup catcher if Martin goes down will be Gustavo Molina or Tatum… And so they’d rather make the spot worse in the meantime to ensure if an injury happens Cervelli and Stewart are in the majors instead of Cervelli and Gustavo.

    The Romine angle doesn’t add up to me.

  111. backbench April 5th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    “Bottom line….Bobby V doesn’t have a lot of options out there in that pen…..Padilla throwing high leverage?”

    Having Lester throw 107 pitches through 7 on opening day won’t leave him with many options in the Ro either.

  112. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    “The Romine angle doesn’t add up to me.”

    So what explains the timing of the move?

    For the sake of argument, please exclude “they just wanted to mess with the catching situation to pour salt in the still-bleeding Montero wound because they’re cruel and like to laugh at us” from your range of responses.

  113. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Blake-

    Is the Kershaw game on ESPN ?

  114. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    So what explains the timing of the move?

    They really like catcher defense. Chris Stewart wasn’t up for grabs until the end of spring.

  115. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Making a trade because you’re worried about some third order contingency is weird.

  116. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    I agree they really like catcher defense, and they think Stewart’s shtick is acceptable for a backup catcher, but do you believe them when they say that Cervelli is next in line to start if Martin gets hurt?

  117. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Nick

    You’re on the top of your game today.

  118. Wave Your Hat April 5th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    “I guess how much one believes the company line will inform how one feels about the hardheartedness of the move.”

    I don’t buy the company line, I can’t even figure out what the company line is.

    However, I can’t see Stewart in much danger of being claimed on waivers. I also think they’ve known about Romine for a while. I just think there wasn’t much advantage one way or the other, and that it was hard-hearted.

    Got to go.

  119. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Thanks, MaineYankee.

    Wait, which game????

  120. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Rhetoric is just that, rhetoric.

    Cashman also said he thinks Cervelli is an exceptional defensive catcher. So really you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Been that way for a while.

  121. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Whoever wins the Toronto/Cleveland game is going to be the first team to score over 4 runs this year.

  122. blake April 5th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    MTU,

    Mlbn I believe

  123. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Thanks Blake.

  124. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Bottom line the team will do whatever it takes to win and/or make the most money. This is why you don’t see a lot of “hometown discounts” coming back the other direction.

  125. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    “But the timing of the move and their rhetoric since suggests the CS % theory is — sorry — mostly bunk. ”

    if the yankees are paying little attention to having the worst throwing catcher in the major leagues then they are the ones who have bunk for brains.

    what kind of dumb ass team runs out a guy for two years who can’t throw?

    of course they are paying attention to it.

    but they can’t say they are because it would make teams pick on cervelli even more.

    if they aren’t ,they’re deficient in their duties.

  126. jacksquat April 5th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    So far every game finished has been decided by one run, and the two games in progress, one is tied and the other is a one run game. Weird.

  127. darbodla April 5th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Cashman has made all the right moves this winter and spring. This team is likely to win 95+ games as configured (barring injuries) and has a good shot to win it all.

  128. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    So far every game finished has been decided by one run, and the two games in progress, one is tied and the other is a one run game. Weird.


    Bud Selig has entered the parity code.

  129. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    “what kind of dumb ass team runs out a guy for two years who can’t throw?”

    A team that hasn’t suffered any apparent consequences for it — yet.

  130. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    randy

    You need to get back to work.

    You have too much time to dream up all these conspiracies.

  131. stuckey April 5th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    A team that hasn’t suffered any apparent consequences for it — yet.

    _____________________

    Lack of consequence is inconsequential on Lohud.

  132. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    “A team that hasn’t suffered any apparent consequences for it — yet.”

    no consequences?

    runners stealing 86% of the time against cervelli ?

    that’s so high even sabermetrically inclined teams would run on cervelli.

  133. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Randy-

    In you mind what would be a minimum acceptable CS % for a BUC ?

  134. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    that’s so high even sabermetrically inclined teams would run on cervelli.

    This is using ignorance of sabermetrics to make a joke, and I can’t let that stand. Sabermetrics is not against stealing. They are against stealing poorly.

  135. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    According to Greg Maddux only 17% of successful base stealers score.

  136. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    “that’s so high even sabermetrically inclined teams would run on cervelli.”

    And yet it hasn’t happened that way in the real world.

    “Cervelli last year in 300 innings had 28 attempts.”

    The Dreamy Eyes Theory trumps anger.

  137. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    “You have too much time to dream up all these conspiracies.”

    maine yankee-

    look past what you are told and think.

    14% for two years in a row.

    replaced by an almost 40% guy.

    that’s just a smart move by the yankees.

  138. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    that’s just a smart move by the yankees

    A .500 OPS guy just replaced a .700 OPS guy. Thats not smart thinking.

  139. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    Thanks, MaineYankee.

    Wait, which game????

    ———————————————–

    Defending the company line. :D:

  140. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    I don’t necessarily buy the company line, but in this case all the conspiratorial breadcrumbs might lead towards it being the real reason they made this Kontos-eliminating move.

    And just because the reason they give for doing something might be the actual reason they did it doesn’t mean it was the best thing to do.

    They took away our Cervelli! :mad:

  141. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    “You have too much time to dream up all these conspiracies.”

    maine yankee-

    look past what you are told and think.

    14% for two years in a row.

    replaced by an almost 40% guy.

    that’s just a smart move by the yankees.

    —————————————————————

    It isn’t a big deal to me either way.

    BUC hasn’t had much of an impact on how their season goes.

  142. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    “BUC hasn’t had much of an impact on how their season goes.”

    maine yankee-

    i think one impact it has is a difficult one to measure.

    how many games in a row can martin catch in a row before he turns into bad martin ?

    keeping martin fresh seems important.

    the manager has to have confidence in the back up to have him rest martin properly.

  143. Nick in SF April 5th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    And we should all be open to the possibility that if Cervelli was better defensively then they would have put a higher value on keeping him with the big club and handled filling the spot in AAA another way.

    We shouldn’t let dogmas over-inform our analysis of events if we endeavor to form reasonable opinions.

  144. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Randy-

    No answer to my question ?

  145. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Guess not.

    It wasn’t designed as a trick question.

    I just wanted your opinion.

    ;)

  146. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    randy

    I’m not too much into speculating what caused things to happen when you only have a small piece of the information.

    Alot of wasted energy only to find out I was wrong.

  147. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Maine-

    It appears as though Randy has left building along with Elvis.

    :)

  148. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Watching the Cincy game.

    Chapman blew 3 straight FB’s by Travis Buck and Reyes.

    What an arm.

  149. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    Maine-

    It appears as though Randy has left building along with Elvis.

    ————————————————————————–

    He probably is trying to avoid the trap you were setting for him.

  150. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    “In you mind what would be a minimum acceptable CS % for a BUC ?”

    mtu=

    i would say 25% if he is not an elite hitter :)

  151. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Maine-

    Honestly. It was not a trap.

    I just wanted to know what his standard was is all.

    Instigator.

    :)

  152. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Thanks Randy.

    :)

    See Maine.

    No trap.

    ;)

  153. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    maine yankee-

    i’m just glad cashman is reading the blog more and paying attention when i say i don’t like someone :)

    i must say i like the look of the team a whole lot better with pineda on rehab ( and to give him time to get accustomed to being a yankee) and cervelli at AAA.

    let me think of what else i don’t like.

    i’ll get back to you on that.

  154. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    randy

    i’m just glad cashman is reading the blog more and paying attention when i say i don’t like someone

    —————————————————————————————–

    It would take a big pad to write all that down.

  155. luis April 5th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    MTU,

    I looks at the pictures today more calmly. You have talent, they are almost as real as what the painters must have seen or imagined when theymade their paintings. Congrats of a job well done.

  156. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    What a sad and senseless end to a young life. No matter the future. It’s the age.

    http://www.minorleagueball.com.....found-dead

  157. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    randy

    Have you checked out Hadlock Field yet? Home to the Sea Dogs.

  158. luis April 5th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    I looked. Sorry

  159. luis April 5th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    GB7,

    It is sad in deed. With all his life ahead of him. Hope his family and friends can cope with it, and eventually move on. RIP

  160. GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    randy

    Have you checked out Hadlock Field yet? Home to the Sea Dogs.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    should be named “The Water Pound” in honor of the Sea Dogs.

  161. Duh Innings April 5th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Boston was done in by no less than THREE ex-Yankee farmhands (Jackson, Melancon, and Aceves.) HA HA, HA HA HA. The Red Sox are a joke. No C, SS, OF outside of Ellsbury, backend of the rotation, or closer. Enjoy 83-85 win fourth place mediocrity, Bobby V.

    It is high time MLB changes their rules regarding awarding the win.

    Justin Verlander pitched eight scoreless innings today but his closer blows the save then gets the win because he happened to be the last pitcher for the Tigers when Jackson hit the walk-off single? Ef that. Verlander should get the win like a guy who pitches three scoreless innings in a game where five pitchers are used gets the win.

    The new rule should be whoever blows the save (or lead if the deficit is four or more runs/out of save territory) does not get the win even if he finishes the inning, the pitcher before him gets it or the starter gets it if the official scorer determines his performance was the primary reason on the pitching end of the game why the team won. In the case of today’s game, Verlander clearly should’ve received the win.

    E.g. The Yanks play a game where Freddy Garcia starts and has to leave after two innings due to injury. Phelps pitches a scoreless third through fifth innings, Wade a scoreless sixth and seventh, Robertson and Rivera a scoreless eighth and ninth respectively, Robertson gets the hold, Rivera gets the save, Yanks win say 4-1 (Garcia gives up a solo shot in the first.) In this case, Phelps would be awarded the win by the official scorer. His scoreless 3 IP is more impressive/work/valuable than Verlander’s eight innings of shutout ball over Boston? Hell no!

  162. luis April 5th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Randy,

    I do understand that Cervelli wasn’t a good BUC, but don’t you think the price we paid was a little to high for Stewart?

  163. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Luis-

    Thanks for the compliment. I’m glad you enjoyed them. I certainly enjoyed producing them.

    I am waiting for YF to send me her e-mail so I can send them to her.

    She is a big fan of the place.

    I have offered my photos to GFS if they would like them to help promote the place.

    I have not heard back yet.

    GB-

    Thankfully, nowadays they have medicines to help with that. It would appear this young man’s depression was undiagnosed.

    A damn shame.

    :(

  164. luis April 5th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Duh innings,

    It might lead to too much subjectivity. I rather live it as it is, even though you made a good point.

  165. Jerkface April 5th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    I do understand that Cervelli wasn’t a good BUC

    A good throwing BUC. He was a pretty great BUC if you consider the entire package of defense, speed, offense.

  166. MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 5th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
    MaineYankee April 5th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    randy

    Have you checked out Hadlock Field yet? Home to the Sea Dogs.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    should be named “The Water Pound” in honor of the Sea Dogs.

    ————————————————————

    Or maybe The Aquarium.

  167. blake April 5th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    A catcher’s primary objective is to stop the ball from hitting the backstop…sorry nevermind….wrong argument :)

  168. luis April 5th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Jf,

    Yes,he had better offensive numbers than Stewart. I do agree with you on that, but I think that he is not that important to the team. My beef is with the prospect we gave up to get him.

  169. MTU April 5th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    New thread —->

  170. Duh Innings April 5th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    luis April 5th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Duh innings,

    It might lead to too much subjectivity. I rather live it as it is, even though you made a good point.

    ———————————–

    Thanks Luis. ‘Thing is isn’t there too much subjectivity in awarding the win in an all or almost all bullpen hands on deck-type game? Sometimes the winner of a game like that comes in with a lead or a tie and leaves with the game tied or his team trailing, or he comes in and exits with the lead. Also alot of wins are awarded based on who sucked the least in a football score-like slugfest (or as I call it “ugfest” as in ugly fest haha.)

    Verlander was punished for his team giving him only two runs across eight innings and his closer for blowing the save today, and it’s not right, especially when some dude could toss three innings in the middle of a 20-19 ugfest and get the win cuz he was the pitcher who sucked the least (say 3 IP 2 ER which is a 6 ERA vs. Verlander’s 0.00 ERA across 8 IP.)

  171. randy l. April 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    “Have you checked out Hadlock Field yet? Home to the Sea Dogs.”

    maine yankee-

    i’m going to go there after i get back from a mid april florida golf trip. i should be able to get quite a few games in before i’m go to cape cod for the summer.

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