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Rivera blows save in season opener

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In what might very well be his final season, Mariano Rivera blew an Opening Day save and let the Yankees fall to a stunning 7-6 loss at Tropicana Field this afternoon. CC Sabathia had bounced back from a first-inning grand slam, and Dave Robertson had wiggled out of eighth-inning trouble, but the first two batters of the ninth inning singled and tripled off Rivera. That tied the game at 6, and after intentionally walking the bases loaded — and after the Yankees brough in a fifth infielder — Rivera allowed a one-out, game-winning single to Carlos Pena, the same guy who had hit a grand slam eight innings earlier.

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154 Responses to “Rivera blows save in season opener”

  1. sunny615 April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Crappy way to start the season.

  2. JM April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Bad way to start the season, no doubt, but remember, it’s ONE GAME, people.

  3. sunny615 April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    But this won’t happen again. They shall sweep the next 2.

  4. Johnny April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Robertson should be closing. (Thank you.)

  5. tomingeorgia April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    GB7,
    I live above the gnat line. They get in here over the internet.

  6. MoRings42 April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    I give this Loss to Girardi. Sure, Mo should have done his job but if Girardi hadn’t over managed in the first inning of the game like it was the 9th inning of the world series, Mo might have never been in the game to blow it.

  7. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    A choke of grief, heart hardened I, beyond belief a broken man too tough to cry

  8. raymagnetic April 6th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    “Bad way to start the season, no doubt, but remember, it’s ONE GAME, people.”

    It was a BIG game.

  9. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    WOW!!! I don’t see how Rivera and the Yankees can ever recover from this one. Naturally, the Devil Rays will run this one wire to wire. NYYs may not even beat out the Orioles.

    This could be a career crusher for the young Rivera.

  10. EA April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Good thing he is retiring at the end of the year. Thanks for the memories MO, but it’s time to hand the rains to Robertson

  11. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    OK, I don’t think I’m overreacting here, do you think it’s possible Robertson becomes the closer sometime this season?

    More often that not,Rivera will be Rivera this season but as we’ve seen over the past few years, some nights his stuff isn’t right. Who’s going to be more on their game this season – Robertson or Rivera? Hard to say.

  12. EliasInNH April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Ah…it’s great to be back, great to have baseball again, and great to see everyone ready to jump off bridges (especially since I’m from NH and almost everyone likes the Red Sox)…wish this one had turned out better, but it can only get better from here…

  13. Yank1 April 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    No one mentioning how the offense did nothing foe the final 6 innings of the game – picking up where they left off last year

    The pitching had no margin for error. The offense explodes early and fails to tack on and usually this is what happens

  14. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Rivera’s cutter had little, if any, movement in his last few spring training appearances and it was no better today.

    Gotta love people not seeing reality. Mo is old and fading.

  15. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    It’ll only sting until they win tomorrow. Lost the first game of 09 and 2010. The big blunder this game is still from the first inning, the inexplicable IBB in the first.

  16. Yank1 April 6th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    SportsJC16
    Can’t continue to be a purtrid clutch hitting team, which #Yankees have been for 2+ yrs and expect to escape every close game.

  17. GreenBeret7 April 6th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    tomingeorgia April 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    GB7,
    I live above the gnat line. They get in here over the internet.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    There’s a reason that the Coastal Empire wants to have the gnat listed as the state bird. and a reason that the Savannah ball team is named the Sand Gnats.

  18. igotid88 April 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    back to back comeback wins. last game of last year and first game of this year

  19. raymagnetic April 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    “No one mentioning how the offense did nothing foe the final 6 innings of the game – picking up where they left off last year”

    “SportsJC16
    Can’t continue to be a purtrid clutch hitting team, which #Yankees have been for 2+ yrs and expect to escape every close game.”

    They scored 6 runs.

  20. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    “Can’t continue to be a purtrid clutch hitting team, which #Yankees have been for 2+ yrs and expect to escape every close game.”

    And, yet, the Yanks saw no need to try and improve their offense in the off-season.

    No clutch hitting and an old, failing closer is no way to go into a season.

  21. luis April 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Come on guys is only one game. Yeah, Girardi shouldn’t have walked Rodriguez, but that didn’t lose the game. We came back and we missed a lot of opportunities to widen the lead, that might have more to do with this loss than an ill advised walk in the first inning. We will get them tomorrow.

    On the bright side, Mo has blown his customary season save. We should be fine from now on.

  22. BD (Boston Dave) April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    even SJ44 hopping on the troll bandwagon

  23. BD (Boston Dave) April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    well, I guess it’s not trolling

    but it’s the same crap

  24. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Kuroda is japanese for Stopper.

  25. LGY April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Can’t believe the Yankee hitters only provided their pitchers with 6 runs.

  26. BIG AL April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    What Bull, How do you blame Girardi for the loss! Pena has not had very much success against LH pitching, so it was the right move, IMO, in the 1st inning.

    Girardi does not pitch, hit or play D, so if the players are in a position to score runs, or shut down the other team, and they fail at their job, it’s on the players.

    How many scoring opportunities do they have to blow before some folks lay the blame where it belongs.

    All this crying over 1 game – for Gods sake, get real.

  27. qiantom April 6th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Yank1 is exactly right. The team is incapable of tacking on runs and I don’t think it is going to change.

  28. LGY April 6th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Can’t you just say CC and Mo provided the offense no margin for error?

    This one is on those two primarily and Girardi.

  29. TheStraw April 6th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Jump trolls, jump!

    Mo was probably upset about having to pitch on Good Friday.

  30. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    What Bull, How do you blame Girardi for the loss! Pena has not had very much success against LH pitching, so it was the right move, IMO, in the 1st inning.

    It was absolutely not the right move. Managing match ups and crap is for the later innings. You don’t IBB a .220 hitter in the first inning to load the bases with a guy that has shown some control problems to get to a patient, power hitter. He may not hit lefties but he still draws walks.

    Just the wrong, wrong, wrong, 1 million times wrong move.

    IBBs rarely work out unless they absolutely cannot hurt you (bottom of the 9th situations where the winning run is already on base).

  31. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    “The team is incapable of tacking on runs and I don’t think it is going to change.”

    Why does anyone expect anything different?

    It’s basically the same offense as last year, with a no bat-speed DH added. If they make the playoffs, they won’t score any runs and will lose in the opening round again.

  32. Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    sucks to lose, really sucks to lose the first game of the year, and it REALLY sucks to lose when its MO blowing the save. That being said, its only one game, we have a great chance to win the next two, and it is great to have baseball back.

    That being said, this loss is on MO. We had the lead in the 9th, he blew the save. Simple as that. We will get them tomorrow.

  33. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Game 1: Ibanez has 4 rbi and Mo blows the save…..go figure.

    Liked how they swung the bats off Shields…..you have to score off the Rays crappy bullpen…..ill take Mo on the hill with the lead in the 9th again tomorrow….he’ll be fine.

  34. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    “ill take Mo on the hill with the lead in the 9th again tomorrow….he’ll be fine.”

    Not throwing 90-91 mph flat cutters.

    And the Yanks dont have a “great” chance to win the next two when Price is on the mound.

  35. Tyler April 6th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
    Game 1: Ibanez has 4 rbi and Mo blows the save…..go figure.

    Liked how they swung the bats off Shields…..you have to score off the Rays crappy bullpen…..ill take Mo on the hill with the lead in the 9th again tomorrow….he’ll be fine.
    —————————————-

    Perfect summary Blake. I’m never going to blame Rivera… he will blow a couple this year (like pretty much every year) but he will finish with his usual great numbers and be clutch should the Yanks make October.

    The Yanks didn’t score after the 3rd inning. They left 9 men on base in that time. One key hit could have won it for them… it seems like they made a habit of doing that last year and I hope that doesn’t become commonplace this year.

  36. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    They should’ve had Curry asking Giradi the questions.

  37. Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    quit blaming the offense. WE SCORED 6 RUNS. That should me more than enough every game.

  38. BIG AL April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    No hitting with RISP, now Girardi must have put holes in their bats, so sure it’s his fault.

    Even if you blame Girardi for the first inning, who put the other runners on base, who gave up the hits etc. Who SO with bases loaded? There’s enough blame to go around, bottom line, its a team loss.

    One game, 161 to go, so let’s just write this team off as finished!

  39. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    CC Sabathia gets paid 25 million and is our starting ace precisely because you expect him to get through a .220 hitter. Why worry about that situation in the first? They put an extra batter on which wound up being the margin in the game.

  40. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    As a manager, what would you do if you saw Rivera’s cutter not cutting?

  41. MoRings42 April 6th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    a manager has no business calling pitches in the first inning with a cy young winner on the mound. Absolutely none. It’s not as if he was in trouble either, CC was 13 pitches to that point and there was no score.

    Girardi needs to sit on the bench and let these guys play for a little bit before he starts playing his little mind games.

  42. versonine April 6th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Jerkface, Im going to tomorrows and Sundays games also. Wanna meet? :D

  43. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Jerkface you are 100000 percent right…. Giradi has a propensity to make dumb moves like that..

  44. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Melky doubles!

    Maybe all is not lost today.

  45. Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    look, CC didn’t have a very good game, the offense has great moments, and not so great moments. The FACT is, we had the LEAD for mo and he blew it. MO is human, and he can be held responsible. The loss is on him. Get over it… and focus on tomorrow.

  46. Tyler April 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    quit blaming the offense. WE SCORED 6 RUNS. That should me more than enough every game.
    ————————–

    They should have scored more than 6 today. They left so many men on base those last 5 innings. This team has had a real lack of clutch hitting (outside of Cano) the past 2 years. They have to tack on runs there. Tampa doesn’t quite…. 1 run leads for the last 5 innings don’t hold up very often against a good team.

  47. Yank1 April 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    “As a manager, what would you do if you saw Rivera’s cutter not cutting?”

    Maddon, Valentine, Socscia, etc. would pull him. Girardi will leave him in to blow the game like he did for CC.

  48. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Sh*t !

    Now we’re not gonna go 162 and 0.

    Bummer.

    Oh well. Maybe 161 and zip.

    :)

  49. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    “As a manager, what would you do if you saw Rivera’s cutter not cutting?”

    considering he already used Soriano and Robertson….you hope the greatest closer ever can figure it out….

    The Yanks didn’t score a run off of garbage reliever after garbage reliever today….that helped them lose as much as anything…..it’s game 1 guys…..go get uhm tomorrow.

  50. Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    I will take kuroda vs the rays lineup over price vs our lineup. Kuroda is a bad matchup for the rays. I think he shuts them down with ease.

  51. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Not worried about Mo at all. he has a few games like this every year, he’s human.

    More concerned about CC. Not just due to this game, but even last year I felt he had dropped a few notches. I don’t think he is on a par with the elite starters in the game anymore, Verlander, Halladay, etc. Hope I’m wrong.

  52. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Even the Mops are pissed.

    They insist on being taken for an afternoon walk.

    They need to work off some steam.

  53. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    I don’t think he is on a par with the elite starters in the game anymore, Verlander, Halladay, etc. Hope I’m wrong.

    Dude had a 3 ERA in the AL with 19 wins. ???? Threw lots of innings.

  54. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    who you gonna put in there instead of Rivera? you gonna put Logan in ? Phelps? Rapada? or are you going to trust the best ever who has gotten out of numerous jams like that before……

  55. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    I meant 161 and 1.

    Can’t add.

    Sorry.

    BIAW.

  56. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Melky doubles!

    Maybe all is not lost today.

    Doubled off IPK no less, but IPK gets out of it.

  57. Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    wait, we should have scored more runs? well, by that logic so should have the rays. 8th innings they blew a huge chance. They should have had like 10 runs. Quit with the if’s and buts, and what if, and what could have been. MO LOST THE GAME. MO BLEW THE SAVE. MO DIDN’T DO HIS JOB. OH WELL. We will win tomorrow.

  58. Tabbert April 6th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Actually CC has his best ERA as a yankee last season and he has improved each season since he has been here. So… not sure what your worried about.

  59. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    “As a manager, what would you do if you saw Rivera’s cutter not cutting?”

    Well, they certainly should be paying close attention to Rivera now. He had nothing at the end of spring training and he had nothing today. The velocity is far from great and if there isn’t severe movement on his cutter, he’s no better than a BP pitcher. When age takes it’s toll, nothing will bring the greatness back.

  60. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Jerkface, meet him at the game tomorrow. It’ll be like Holmes having dinner with Moriarty, or Bart meeting up with Sideshow Bob, or Snoopy having a drink with the Red Baron. You guys can work out which is which.

  61. Eroc April 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Hard to blame Girardi – fallacy of the predetermined outcome to think the game would have played out the exact same way.

    Bottom line, we had a 6-4 lead in the 4th inning and the offense didn’t do anything after that. If the game had ended 4-3 or something, then fine, blame Girardi. They had the lead from the 4th inning on, failed to tack on, and failed to close it.

    CC most years is pedestrian early in the year and the offense is going to be hot and cold, even in games, all year.

  62. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    when you’ve already used you’re 7th and 8th innnings guys then you don’t have much other option if your closer doesn’t have it that day.

  63. m April 6th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Ugly ending to an ugly game. Two of the most reliable pitchers just didn’t have it today.

    On to game 2.

  64. tomingeorgia April 6th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    It must be spring break.

  65. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    I don’t think he is on a par with the elite starters in the game anymore, Verlander, Halladay, etc. Hope I’m wrong.

    Dude had a 3 ERA in the AL with 19 wins. ???? Threw lots of innings.

    I’m not big on evaluating a pitcher based on wins – CC had a 4.06 ERA in his final 10 regular-season starts. I said I hope I’m wrong.

  66. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    I’m not big on evaluating a pitcher based on wins – CC had a 4.06 ERA in his final 10 regular-season starts. I said I hope I’m wrong.

    And a 3 ERA on his last 6. And a 2.5 ERA in his last game. Why the arbitrary cut off there for worry?

  67. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    CC had a 2.88 FIP, 3 xFIP, he was good by any measure. Sabermetric, regular statistic, bs stats like wins.

  68. EliasInNH April 6th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    We left 12 guys on base. 12! We scored 6, should have been enough if we were playing a team with a terrible offense, like Seattle. But this is the Rays. We know what they can do. Never waste a chance to tack on more runs and give Mo some breathing room…even if he IS Mo.

  69. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Mo was just up in the zone….I don’t expect that to be a trend. CC settled down after the first when Pena guessed right and hit one out…..both of those guys should be fine. Arod looked pretty darn good today…..

  70. Triple Short of a Cycle April 6th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    CC will be his normal self in the regular season. Its the playoffs you have to worry about

  71. darbodla April 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Sure he was good. I love CC. I a just a bit concerned from my observations as to how he’s pitched lately. Statistics don’t tell the entire story.

  72. djsunyc April 6th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    what happened to this blog? we really need an ignore feature. yowza.

  73. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    This is totally anecdotal, but I’ve maybe seen Rivera work out of trouble once out of what – ten times – his stuff has looked bad. When his cutter isn’t right, you’re in for trouble.

  74. Duh Innings April 6th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Girardi intentionally walking a .223 hitter to face Pena in the first inning and starting Granderson against a guy who owns Granderson cost the Yanks this game, period, end of story, case closed.

    Take away Pena’s 5 RBI and the Yanks most likely win.

    This loss could be a huge one in that if the Yanks and Rays finish with the same record and the Rays win the season series 10-8, you have to look at this loss as one of the losses if not THE loss against the Rays which cost the Yanks Sabathia for Games 1 and 5 in the ALDS for he would have to start the wildcard game because you need your ace to take you to the next round.

  75. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    it’s tough to blame the offense when the closer blew a save and you score 6 runs…..but the Yanks scored 0 runs off of the following relievers Badenhop, McGee, Peralta, and Rodney…..

    weird game….Ibnanez was the offensive star….Pena hit a grand slam off a lefty…..Rivera blew a save……Longoria made an error…..

  76. deleonj April 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    cc will be fine.
    mariano will be fine. every time he fails people start questioning how much longer he will continue to be elite. chill people 161 ames to go

  77. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    You can say Girardi made a poor strategic move in the first, I’m not disagreeing, but the outcome of the game was far more influenced by the end than the beginning. It became a moot point in this loss.

  78. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    “When his cutter isn’t right, you’re in for trouble.”

    hit cutter isn’t bad very often….and he’s pretty good about making adjustments….he has a game or two every season where he doesn’t have it and he gets hit and everyone wonders if its’ the end of the line for Mo…..he always figures it out and dominates again…..I’ll trust that this will be no different until it’s proven otherwise….especially after 1 game.

  79. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Mo can always bust out the change if he feels he needs too.

    Betances on milb.tv and IPK on mlb.tv waiting for Montero Time to roll around.

  80. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Lincecum gave up 3 runs in 1 inning….not an ace.

  81. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    i shall watch Montero and I’m trying to get my MILB.tv to work

  82. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    I’m trying to get my MILB.tv to work

    I don’t know why they don’t do a pop out like mlb.tv, its kind of crappy. If you bought the package deal you need to activate your milb.tv subscription so check the email they sent you when you signed up. Its in a link in the fine print.

  83. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    “When his cutter isn’t right, you’re in for trouble.”

    hit cutter isn’t bad very often….and he’s pretty good about making adjustments….he has a game or two every season where he doesn’t have it and he gets hit and everyone wonders if its’ the end of the line for Mo…..he always figures it out and dominates again…..I’ll trust that this will be no different until it’s proven otherwise….especially after 1 game.
    —————–

    Blake, yet again, anecdotally, I’ll disagree. So I don’t have proof, nor would I know how to measure proof (MPH? Break?) of a poor cutter, but I’d say it’s been more than once or twice the past two seasons. It’s not regular or anything, but it’s probably pushing 10 appearance over the past few years.

    That sounds ridiculous. Ten bad appearances? So what?

    Well, what if Robertson is better?

  84. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    “he always figures it out and dominates again”

    His cutter wasn’t any good in his last few spring training games, either. This was not an isolated bad outing.

    I wonder how many bad outings it will take for the Yankee brass to become worried? Pay attention to just how little movement that pitch now has.

  85. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    It’s not time to worry, there is no doom. I’m just saying, maybe Rivera really is approaching an age threshold and he’ll slip a little more this year than he did last year. Rivera slipping is still better than most closers, but we’ve got this young guy who could be absolutely dominant..

  86. Eroc April 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    CC isn’t Halladay, Verlander, Lee, Kershaw, King Felix, etc.

    That’s like in the NBA saying that Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwight Howard aren’t Derrick Rose, LeBron James, or Durant. Or in the NFL saying Big Ben or Eli are tier below Brees, Rodgers, or Brady. Not a knock on them, just that they are not the creme of the crop.

    CC is a very good pitcher, he’s not top 5.

  87. blake April 6th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    “Well, what if Robertson is better?”

    I think they are both going to be good.

    JF,

    I agree….I got it to work….I thought I read you got MILB.tV free if you did the premium of MLB.tv? I didn’t…..anyway the picture quality looks a lot better this year.

  88. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Its 20 dollars extra.

  89. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Should be free given the quality.

  90. mick April 6th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Whoever the DH is, should be hitting between Tex and Swish.
    He’s hung up about having back to back switch hitters in the 5 and 6 hole but putting Ibanez or Jones there serves the same purpose .

  91. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Who are the 9th and 10th top Yankees all-time?
    We know 1-8, but who are the last 2?
    Many choices..Mattingly, Bernie, Andy, Guidry……? Munson?

    Anybody?

  92. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Beltran with a nice game today for St Louis.

    Oh well, the Yanks have the ever-so-cool-calm-collected-clutch Nick Swisher.

  93. Ace April 6th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    A brutal loss. Blame girardi for walking 230 hitter Sean Rodriguez. Moronic

  94. DaSaint007 April 6th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    ROFL reading some of these posts.

    Baseball season has truly started. Folks ready to critique CC, Mo, Swish, and Gerardi already.

    Ever hear the saying ‘You can’t win them all’??

  95. RMS April 6th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    A brutal loss.

    ——————————————————————————–
    1 game. “Fans” are out of their minds=
    Mo is done. Robertson should close. Fire Girardi.

    So, this is how it’s going to be after the first game of the season. Trolls on the loose, run regular posters, run!!!!!!!!!!!

  96. DaSaint007 April 6th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    CC will most likely win 20 games as usual, despite this loss.
    Rivera will most likely save 35+ games or more, despite this blown save.

    And should they not have ‘superstar’ years, and just ‘good’ years, there are options to supplement them. Get real folks.

  97. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Baseball season has truly started. Folks ready to critique CC, Mo, Swish, and Gerardi already.

    Ever hear the saying ‘You can’t win them all’??
    ===========================
    It’s a special breed of fan that comes to LoHud.
    They don’t discuss sports. They get up on pedestals.
    There’s no banter. Only know-it-alls.

  98. G. Love April 6th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Just a bizarre game all around.

    Mo blows the save.

    Jeckyll & Hyde offense that lacks killer instinct once it has what it deems a comfy lead rears it’s head again.

    Girardi walking the bases loaded while CC is missing his spots in the 1st.

    If I were to rank all 3, I’d call them even.

    Swisher was swinging out of shoes as usual. Not confident this contract year thing is going to make him relax, you know?

    Good stuff was Ibanez, Gardner, Arod, Soriano, Robbie pulling it out of his you know where, Cano, etc. There was a lot of good stuff but until this team learns that being up by one doesn’t mean you pump the brakes offensively this kind of stuff will happen.

    We’ve seen this script before with these guys. They let up when they take a lead. The only time they pile on is when the opposing pitcher starts throwing at them.

    As for Girardi, I’m glad he has a good book to read on the bench. Although I thought the idea of bringing in Nunez as the 5th IF was pretty smart/cool in my opinion.

  99. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    No thinking. Just reacting.
    Forgot that one…

  100. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    G. Love….9th and 10th Yankees on Mt Rushmore? Whaddaya think?

  101. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Girardi absolutely deserves criticism. Inane managing by him. The players get a pass because its a long season and 1 game isn’t anything. Girardi could have done nothing in the 1st inning and been a better manager.

  102. G. Love April 6th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    mick – I vote for Henry Cotto & Alvaro Espinoza for those spots.

  103. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Girardi is in a division with a bunch of insane Mgrs…Buck, Booby V, Maddon the Madman….perhaps he is trying to keep up with Joneses?

  104. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Wouldn’t doubt it, mick.

  105. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    g. love-
    thought you’d go for Horace Clarke and Roger Repoz.

    no, really….Munson/Mattingly/Bernie and/or Andy/Guidry?

  106. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Inane managing by him.
    ==================
    did you mean insane?

  107. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Top 8 are no brainers–the order could vary Babe, Lou, Joe D, Mick, Yogi, Whitey, Jete, Mo….9 and 10 are the hard ones.

  108. G. Love April 6th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    mick,

    Can I go with Munson and Mattingly?

  109. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Melky just hit a HR off IPK.

  110. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    munson and mattingly are representative.
    leave andy off?

  111. RMS April 6th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    The Melkman delivers! Go Melky.

  112. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    mattingly is only one without a ring.
    andy is only one w/out entire career as a yankee.

    dickey, scooter left off?

  113. spidanyc April 6th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Sweeny Murti?@YankeesWFAN:

    “Other guy” in Pineda trade RT @jnorris427: Jose Campos through 5: 5 IP, H, 0 R, BB, SO, 49 pitches, 30 strikes #yankees

  114. G. Love April 6th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Over Munson & Mattingly? Yeah, Andy would get bumped. I’d probably go Bernie over Andy and Guidry to be honest. Andy loses points for Houston and for retiring for a year when we needed him last season.

  115. Yanks78 April 6th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    “We’ve seen this script before with these guys. They let up when they take a lead. The only time they pile on is when the opposing pitcher starts throwing at them. ”

    Yep.

    Swisher is also a lost cause – he’ll get his 20/80 against the Orioles and Toronto and be inept in big spots and in the playoffs. Guy can’t calm himself down to save his life. I appreciate his enthusiasm, but he is useless when it counts.

    And they go 6 innings without scoring with a slim lead- we’ve seen that story before. Just the DNA of this team, I guess

  116. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    1b Lou 2b ? SS Jete 3b Nettles
    OF Babe, Joe D, Mick
    C Yogi
    P Whitey RP Mo

  117. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Over Munson & Mattingly? Yeah, Andy would get bumped. I’d probably go Bernie
    ===============================================
    That’s 11, see it’s tough.
    Great Yankee question…

  118. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    In case anyone cares about Betances he is doing alright. 1 run through 4.1. Leaving his fastball up at times, curve has looked great, had some bad defense behind him. Been able to work out of some jams.

  119. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    bernie over mattingly…only because of the rings.

  120. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    1b Lou 2b ? SS Jete
    OF Babe, Joe D, Mick
    C Yogi
    P Whitey RP Mo
    =============
    Interesting how the top 8 almost field an entire team by position.
    All we need is a 3B and 2B

  121. rm April 6th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Tony Lazzeri at Second. Could say A-Rod at 3rd. Maybe Red Rolfe. Bill Dickey should probably be in the top 10 instead of a third baseman

  122. m April 6th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    When CC gave up the HR after we took the lead at 6-4, I thought it might be trouble.

    Leaving the bases loaded twice and a ton of guys LOB hurt, too.

    Kuroda must be screaming inside, “You know what I would have done for 6 runs last year? I would have taken that for two games!”

  123. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Kuroda must be screaming inside, “You know what I would have done for 6 runs last year? I would have taken that for two games!”

    :twisted:

  124. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Tony Lazzeri at Second. Could say A-Rod at 3rd. Maybe Red Rolfe. Bill Dickey should probably be in the top 10 instead of a third baseman
    ============================
    Good calls!
    Dickey over who though? Top 8 are in stone.
    Over Bernie or Munson?

  125. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Bill Dickey should probably be in the top 10 instead of a third baseman
    ===========================
    I had no 3B in the top 10.

  126. rm April 6th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    oops that should be Red Ruffing. Dickey’s numbers are muh better than Bernie or Munson

  127. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    I don’t think anybody in here has seen Dickey play.
    We already have a Catcher.

  128. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    2 catchers

  129. rm April 6th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    I would go Lazerri for number 9 and Dickey for number 10 but its very hard to judge players I have never seen. but my father though Dickey was the best catcher he ever saw. Includung Yogi.

  130. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Interesting how all 3 pitchers mentioned are leftys.
    whitey, andy, guidry…even cc….lefty in the Stadium theory?

  131. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Lincecum getting owned.

  132. mick April 6th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    rm

    lazzeri and dickey might even make more sense…..now you have a All HOF top 10.
    Like that!

  133. longtimefan April 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    SOS today, left bases loaded in 3 different innings and didn’t have a hit after the 4th inning, same problems as last year.

  134. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    but after today Mo might have to be left off the list…

  135. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    how can a team with a HOF IF and almost MVP CF be thin offensively?
    makes one wonder…

  136. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Venditte blows the game, oh no!!

  137. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    must be the good friday crowd is out worshipping, pretty thin here.

  138. m April 6th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Lucky thing Lincecum inked his extension already.

  139. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    …that or the passover crowd is in sedering.

  140. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    see…a little baseball talk drives people away.
    welcome to LoHud.

  141. G. Love April 6th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    The downgrade of Sheff to Abreu to Swisher has a ton to do with RISP problems. The downgrade from Jorge to Martin has a ton to do with RISP. That’s 2 middle of the order bats that are not up to snuff.

    That puts all the pressure on 1-5 to be perfect. Tex needs to be revert to his old self or the regression from Tex 2009 to Tex 2011 isn’t going to make matters better.

    It’s why a lot of us freaked over Montero and why we wanted a DH who makes contact in these bases loaded situations and gets the run in.

    This is the team. The only thing that could change it is if Swisher poops himself playing for the contract and then Cashman decides to find his replacement in season.

    Everyone else is locked in for better or for worse.

    Arod looked great today. Cano looked ready. Gardner put a great swing on a ball. Ibanez delivered when the team needed a big hit.

    But this team relies on Swisher/Tex/Martin to come through in key spots. The game finds them at huge moments. They need to come through more than they did last season.

    And I know you can throw stats at me that says they come through plenty, but when you watch every game the usual suspects end up flailing out of their shoes when all we need is a fly ball to the OF to get an insurance run in.

  142. rm April 6th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    How long until we know if anybody claimed Maxwell. Is it a 3 day waiver period?

  143. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    G Love

    You make great points, ots of insight.
    What do you think of putting Ibanex/ Jones bewteen Tex and Swish?

  144. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Dropping Swish to 7th to creative for Girardi?
    Puts less pressure on him.

  145. G. Love April 6th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    mick,

    If Ibanez hits, he will have to drop Swisher down to bottom 3rd of the order.

    I also think Andruw Jones is going to get a chance to play a bigger role here and I don’t think it’s going to be taking away Gardner’s at bats.

    We may see him in RF against RHP. Just a hunch.

  146. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Jones in RF against rightys?
    swish to the bench?

  147. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    with the amount of money being thrown around for players that don’t deserve it who can blame swish for wanting some but i think the pressure will get to him so you might be right but knowing girardis loyalty we will have to suffer thru it.

  148. rm April 6th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Actually it looks like Nunez is going to be the first player that gets to show if he can hit better than somebody in the starting lineup (Swisher,Ibanez/Jones) . Tex has got to get straightened out or the Yankees are in trouble. He is going to be around for a very long time,

  149. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher April 6th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Sweeny Murti?@YankeesWFAN:

    “Other guy” in Pineda trade RT @jnorris427: Jose Campos through 5: 5 IP, H, 0 R, BB, SO, 49 pitches, 30 strikes #yankees

    ———————————
    He had a perfect game through 4 innings.

    All in all the Charleston pitching staff dominated Rome tonight.

  150. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    so we should be seeing a lot of nunez against leftys with arod at dh and jones in LF?

  151. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    not a bad debut for Campos

    6 innings, 1 hit, 3 k’s, 0 runs, 1 walk

    Mason was 2-4 with 2 doubles, Dante 1-4, Sanchez 2-3

  152. mick April 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    chavez could spell arod at 3rd when he dhs against a righty…a major reason montero is gone

  153. rm April 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I hhink thats what Girardi has been hinting at. Arod and Jeter at DH and Jones in LF or RF

  154. RadioKev April 6th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    New thread ->

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