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Welcome to Opening Day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Finally, the games count. The Yankees open the regular season at 3:10 this afternoon, sending ace CC Sabathia to the mound against James Shields.

“I still get butterflies before pretty much every game, but especially Opening Day,” Sabathia said. “It’s a brand new season and you want to start the season off right. It’s an honor to be able to go out there and take the ball.”

Sabathia had the right to opt out of his contract this winter, but he said that never crossed his mind last season. He thought about his pending free agency a lot in 2008, but not last year.

“I knew where I wanted to be,” he said. “The perception is that it’s not a close clubhouse, that it’s not a place where guys want to go. You hear that as a player. That’s something I was really concerned about, and coming from Cleveland, where I had grown up with all these guys, and being so close to those guys in Milwaukee over a two-month span, it was really something that was important to me, making sure the clubhouse was good. … Since Day 1 of spring training ’09, I’ve just felt like one of the guys. Back when I signed, Jete called me, Sado called me, all those guys I talked to. It’s been a lot easier than I thought it would be to transition to New York.”

As for the Yankees, Brian Cashman compared the Sabathia signing to the Mike Mussina signing. Committing big money to a free agent starter is a risk, but Sabathia has paid off about as well as possible so far. He seems perfectly suited for the role.

“It’s hard to imagine our club without him and where we’d be without him,” Joe Girardi said. “You need that guy you can count on every fifth day, that can put an end to a losing streak, that can carry a heavy load if your bullpen is tired, that gives you distance, gives you quality innings, gives you wins. Every good club has to have that guy.

“He has been that guy the last three years for us.”

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132 Responses to “Welcome to Opening Day”

  1. blake April 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    “Thoughts again if Cano deserves/gets more than Kinsler or Phillips?”

    Yes….he’s better than both of them….the problem is that because he’s a Yankee the price will likely be higher than it should be….especially if they let him reach free agency.

  2. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Chad-Thanks again for your excellent and timely posts:

    Any thoughts on whether Cano deserves significantly more than Kinsler or Phillips?

    The Reds and Rangers are working towards contract extensions with Brandon Phillips [30] and Ian Kinsler[29], respectively, and ESPN’s Jim Bowden says (on Twitter) there’s some work left to be done on each. Phillips is expected to get $12.5-13MM annually, Kinsler $13.5-14MM.

    Good morning. If those two get extended at those figures can Cano[29] get/deserve “significantly” more?

    Looking at last years stats:
    Best fielding %-Phillips .992, Cano .987, Kinsler .984
    BA-Cano .302, Phillips .300, Kinsler .255 All had 610-623 AB’s
    Best OB%-Kinsler .355, Phillips .354, Cano .349
    Best Slugging%-Cano .533, Kinsler .477, Phillips .457
    Homers- Kinsler 32, Cano 28, Phillips 18
    SB-Kinsler 30, Phillips 14, Cano 8

    Thoughts?

  3. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Blake-

    The other question will be whether there will be another top 5 2nd baseman available this year or next?

  4. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Sure were a lot of low scoring, well pitched games yeasterday. Are the pitchers really that far ahead of the hitters. Kyle Lohse a no hitter thru 6.

  5. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    *yesterday*

  6. David in Cal April 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Go Yankees!

  7. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Thursday April 05, 2012 – 11:43 AM
    Rest of baseball catching up with big spenders:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s.....g-spenders

  8. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    blake-

    the old way is by definition the old way.

    probably the yankees are going to have to let the old contracts peel away. first rivera and then jeter.

    alex is going to be a while.

    if they can’t use their cash to buy players i would suggest the next best thing.

    pay the highest amount for coaches in the game and for the people behind the scenes who play a part in development of players.

    i still think if the yankees are going cheap, they should have thought about that when they traded kennedy and jackson for granderson.

    and why aren’t we going with cervelli and montero?

    and why did they sign jeter?

    they don’t really seem to have a plan.

    cashman has never been any good at planning ahead.

    what he’s good at is reacting to what goes wrong.

    the problem is that he needs to let things go wrong to fix them.

  9. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Randy-

    Read the above article I just posted. You’ll find it interesting.

    Some fear that the incoming owners of the Los Angeles Dodgers, after spending $2 billion for the team, might covet next November’s free agents, a group that currently includes pitchers Cole Hamels and Zack Greinke.

    “It’s kind of humorous to me,” San Francisco general manager Brian Sabean said. “These guys haven’t even taken over yet and all of a sudden they’re going to take every player in baseball.”

    Lots of baseball executives are contemplating what the Dodgers’ megadeal means for their teams.

    “It’s an incredible price,” Yankees President Randy Levine said. “One can only imagine what the value of the Yankees would be at a market sale.”

  10. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    I have mixed feeling about today.

    OTOH, I am happy that the season is about to start.

    OTOH, I am unhappy because I have to see the Taxman today and it ain’t gonna be pretty this year.

    So I guess I’m :) and (: for today.

  11. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Would the Steinbrenners want to sell the Yankees in the near future? Before 2014?

  12. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    YT-

    It’s like this.

    Imagine you lived in the high rent district and someone sold a property at a record price.

    They become your comp.

    That certainly might tempt you.

    But to answer your question.

    Nah.

    ;)

  13. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    MTU-

    Good luck with the taxman.

    Give me your thoughts on the 8:08 post and read this article while eating your morning burrito. :)

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s.....g-spenders

  14. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    yankees are playing @ 3pm and I”ll at work.. DRATS!!!

    GO yankees!!!

  15. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I’ll still be at work**

  16. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    “OTOH, I am unhappy because I have to see the Taxman today and it ain’t gonna be pretty this year.”

    how much tax could you owe when you spend all your time on this blog, hiking where no sane person goes, and walking the dust mops?

    hey, is lohud paying you more than they are paying me?

  17. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    MTU-

    I guess you’re right. What is an extra 50 million or more, in your pocket if your club is under the LT threshold for 2014 thru 2016, when your club would be worth significantly more than the Dodgers at TWO BILLION DOLLARS, DR. Evil?

    Of course fine art is only worth what others are willing to pay for it at the time.

  18. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Randy,

    Hows the golf game going? I’m playing tomorrow @ 1pm

  19. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    YT-

    Thanks but it’s a lost cause this year due to a major faux pas by my frickin’ bank.

    As far as the 8:08 goes.

    It’s like the Dodger thing I mentioned above. Those guys are comps in some respects.

    Difference is this ain’t real estate. It’s baseball, and it’s the Yankees and a star player.

    The best pure hitter on the team as of now. And a GG to boot.

    Cano is gonna want and sign for a lot more. If the Yankees don’t want to pay that kind of freight
    he is gone. And that would be some kinda shame IMO.

    I think he’ll stay, and if needed the Yankees will overpay to keep Cano.

  20. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Ahhhhh…. finally. :)

  21. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “Hows the golf game going? I’m playing tomorrow @ 1pm”

    i haven’t played much for the past few weeks, but will be on a week long golf vacation starting in a week.

    i’ll be playing a lot this spring.

    hit em straight tomorrow.

  22. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Randy-

    :)

    I’d like to make my Bank pay it. After all they made the error. Right ?

    All they can come up with is “we’re sorry”. Weak sauce at best.

    LoHud is paying to get rid of me. Not keep me.

  23. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “LoHud is paying to get rid of me. Not keep me.”

    they’re paying me to be like the wrestling villain and get people revved up.

    how am i doing?

  24. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I’ve got the Yankees down for 100 + wins.

    And the for the Sux to finish no higher than 3rd. Possibly 4th if things break bad.

    Time for this ultra-Marathon to begin.

    Let’s get this puppy started.

    :)

  25. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    it’s kind of a funny morning on the blog.

    it’s opening day and not many comments.

    i guess most posters have to wait until something happens.

  26. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    From MLBTRs 1/9/2012:

    Howie Kendrick signed an extension over the weekend. If Brandon Phillips follows suit and obvious options are picked up on Robinson Cano and Ian Kinsler, the best available might be Kelly Johnson, Maicer Izturis, and Freddy Sanchez.

    2014 potential 2nd base FA’s:

    Second basemen

    Alexi Casilla (29)
    Mark Ellis (37) – $5.75MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Aaron Hill (32)
    Omar Infante (32)
    Tsuyoshi Nishioka (29) – $4MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Nick Punto (36)
    Ryan Raburn (33)
    Brian Roberts (36)
    Ramon Santiago (34)
    Skip Schumaker (34)
    Chase Utley (35)
    Ben Zobrist (33) – $7MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout

    From that uninspiring list, Cano can scream “SHOW ME THE MONEY.”

  27. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Randy-

    You are like a mean version of “Nacho Libre”.

    You’re doin’ good.

    For example, look at what good pals you and Crawdaddy are.

    Or Nick. He loves ya’ Man.

    :)

  28. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    “For example, look at what good pals you and Crawdaddy are.

    Or Nick. He loves ya’ Man.”

    mtu-

    yeah, those guys are tests for the rests of the blog. their buttons get pushed easy.
    stuckey too.

    have you ever noticed it makes him crazy if you don’t answer a question when he tells you to?

    quite amusing.

    i still think lohud should pay me more than .25 a click though once they reach a profit making level.

    they told me that should be any day now :)

  29. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Randy-

    As long as you only get .25 cents a click and not per word! :)

  30. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Randy,

    At first pitch this place will be a zoo. There will tons of bloggers who don’t normally post here bombarding this place with garbage.

  31. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    randy – A lot of people have off from work today.. those of us around are those who are not so lucky :/

  32. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Randy-

    It can certainly get interesting around here at times. I’ll grant ya’ that.

    Stuckey acts a lot like Mr. Spock. Very logical but a little devoid of the Human element at times.

    I don’t know if he likes beer but I suspect that if we sat down over a few and loosed up the social machinery a bit we’d get along just fine.

    Like most of the folks here @ LoHud.

    As far as your pay scale goes. I’d hire one of the LoHud attorneys to represent you.

    Either them or Scott Boras.

    ;)

  33. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    ” yeah, those guys are tests for the rests of the blog. their buttons get pushed easy.”

    Nice try.

  34. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Up early, huh Nick?

    The excitement of baseball wakes adults up like Christmas does for little kids.

  35. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    I hope fem gets here soon.. I heard Tortarella ripping her Pens the other day :lol:

  36. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Shame-

    It’s one tradition in this country I hope we never lose.

    ;)

  37. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Should be interesting to see if Sabathia performs like the other “aces” so far…Halladay, Verlander, etc, or if he continues to be the most overrated pitcher in the game.

  38. Nick in SF April 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    On the way out, will be Nick in SF in Napa for our game, unfortunately. Haven’t decided whether to follow along or go dark and watch on dvr later. Go Yankees!

  39. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Have a good one Nick.

    Maybe you can be Nick in Sonoma for our next win.

    Maybe stop off and get a double-double to get you warmed up and ready for all of Phil’s wins.

    :)

  40. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Lot of low scoring, pitching gems yesterday. Will the Yankees roll over Price today?

    Predictions for todays Yankee game:
    Most hits: Jeter
    First Yankee homer today-Rodriguez, 2nd today Tex, 3rd today Martin
    CC mows down a heavy left-handed lineup
    Yankees win 8-1 :)

  41. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    YT-

    Isn’t it Shields ?

  42. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    “Should be interesting to see if Sabathia performs like the other “aces” so far…Halladay, Verlander, etc, or if he continues to be the most overrated pitcher in the game.”

    How many rings do halladay and verlander have???

    just asking…

    CC, in his first year came into the belly of the beast and got a ring in his first year in new york. How many other pitchers did that? Not , lee, not halladay , not verlander.

  43. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    MTU – It almost felt like a holiday from work even though I need to be here :)

    I hope the weather warms up a bit for next weekend when our boys come home.

  44. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Yeah its Shields today, Price tomorrow.

  45. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    MTU- My bad, It is Shields. Still pick a Yankees win only a little closer 6-1.

    Todays pitching matchups:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/probab.....p?c_id=mlb

  46. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Shame-

    Yeah. That would be nice as a follow on to beating TB 3 straight.

    ;)

  47. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    YT-

    I hope “Small game” James Shields shows up.

    I love watching Maddon whine, squirm, and prune-up.

    ;)

  48. Doc Iac April 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    its not really opening day til the yankees play

  49. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Doc Iac April 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    its not really opening day til the yankees play
    ———————-

    It was nice that we let a little limelight shine on the other clubs yesterday… probably the last time the Mets will make the back pages in a while.

    Anyone else notice the snarky-ness of those btw lol? Poor Mets.. when you’re a joke to your own beat writers..

  50. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Career NYY hitting stats vs Shields:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....es-shields

  51. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    I hope Sabathia shoves it today….I get a little tired of hearing about how he’s not a #1 starter to be honest…..the guy logs 230 innings every year, wins 19+ every year, has an ERA around 3 every year….struck out 230 last year… all in the toughest division in baseball…..now is he going to routinely going to throw shut outs like Halladay or Verlander? probably not…..but consistency is something that’s very underated with starting pitchers and knowing pretty much what you’re going to get with CC is where a lot of his value lies…..he’s been the most valuable Yankee since he signed his first contract with the team.

    Cano is quickly becoming the face of the Yankees…..and is one of the more popular and best players in the game….unless something changes between now and 2 years from now the Yankees aren’t going to be able to let him go…..so they need to be thinking about how they can retain him in the most cost effective way……

  52. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Rays stats vs CC:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....c-sabathia

    Upton and Fuld not playing. Keep Keppinger off the bases.

  53. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    2 of 3 in Tampa would be a nice way to start the season.

  54. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Blake-

    3 of 3 would be an even nicer way.

    I’m not greedy. Right ?

    ;)

  55. Chip April 6th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Cano deserves (and will get) more than Kinsler or Phillips. I would assume that part of the reason Texas and Cincy want to get these deals done asap is so that they won’t be impacted by the Cano deal.

    Robbie’s going to get a better deal but (Kinsler especially) doesn’t want to look up after Robbie signs and realize that Cano’s contract completely blew his out of the water.

  56. Doc Iac April 6th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    blake…who said cc is not #1 starter?

  57. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Blake-

    On Cano, now that Kendrick is signed, and Kinsler plus Phillips are closing in on extensions, after I looked at what was available at the end of this season and next, on an earlier post, I too hope that the Yankees go against their normal policy and work out an extension before letting Cano get to FA.

  58. Benny Blanco April 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Doc Iac,

    muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
    Should be interesting to see if Sabathia performs like the other “aces” so far…Halladay, Verlander, etc, or if he continues to be the most overrated pitcher in the game.

    ===

    He did!

  59. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Doc,

    “Should be interesting to see if Sabathia performs like the other “aces” so far…Halladay, Verlander, etc, or if he continues to be the most overrated pitcher in the game.”

  60. Chip April 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    My guess on Cano’s deal (keeping in mind his agent is Boras) 5 years at $115 million with options that could make it 7 years $165 million

  61. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    They’ll have to offer Cano market value in AAV but the hope would be to get him under contract for less years than they would by waiting until 2014……and 8 year contract now would be much better than an 8 year contract 2 years from now.

  62. Doc Iac April 6th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Doc,

    “Should be interesting to see if Sabathia performs like the other “aces” so far…Halladay, Verlander, etc, or if he continues to be the most overrated pitcher in the game.”

    ——–

    haha wow that guy is an idiot…..

    like u said he pitches in the AL east, he has been more than I expected since he signed, that guy must be a “fair weather fan”

  63. RMS April 6th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    CC, in his first year came into the belly of the beast and got a ring in his first year in new york. How many other pitchers did that? Not , lee, not halladay , not verlander.

    ————————————————————————————————————-

    CC is an Ace but a notch below Doc and Verlander.

  64. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    “My guess on Cano’s deal (keeping in mind his agent is Boras) 5 years at $115 million with options that could make it 7 years $165 million”

    it’ll take more than that IMO…probably 8 years total….but I’d do that deal right this second if Robbie would. I’d offer the Teixera contract as a total value including the options and would still feel good about it if he signed…..the deal would be over when he was 37ish

  65. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Anyone who thinks Cano is gonna come cheap better think again.

    ;)

  66. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    “CC is an Ace but a notch below Doc and Verlander.”

    I agree with regards to top level performance…..but those are arguably the 2 best pitchers in baseball….I don’t think he has to be as good as them to be an “ace”. To me…..Kershaw, Verlander, Halladay, and Felix are on a tier by themselves….CC is on that next tier of #1 starters and that’s no slap in the face.

  67. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Chip-

    Those numbers mean that Cano will make close to double the salary than the overall 2nd best second baseman in baseball, Phillips will make.

    If that’s the case if he gets to FA without an extension, I’m predicting that the Dodgers and hometime LA agent Boras will nab him!

  68. bdog375 April 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    CC is one of the all time best free agent signings. Further, he easily could have squeezed the Yankees for a better contract this year, and did not. Hard not to love this guy!

  69. Chambliss April 6th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Opening Day seems a bit less special with the way that MLB had the series last week in Japan, the game Wednesday night and the games yesterday. All teams should play game #1 on Opening Day.

    There is much good news, however. The Sux looked pathetic with Ross, Ells and Sweeney in the OF, and their bullpen is filled with holes. A few more losses and they will be calling for Bobby V’s head on a platter. It will be very entertaining theater in Boston.

    As for Yankees, Cano is one of the top five players in the game, and the Yankees should negotiate a long term deal with him now, something along the lines of Votto’s new deal. Get it over with and backload it. In a few years, Jeter and Mo will be gone, and A-Rod will be near the end of his career. Cano will be the centerpiece of the team. The longer they wait, the more expensive the deal will be.

  70. Chip April 6th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    “My guess on Cano’s deal (keeping in mind his agent is Boras) 5 years at $115 million with options that could make it 7 years $165 million”

    it’ll take more than that IMO…probably 8 years total….but I’d do that deal right this second if Robbie would. I’d offer the Teixera contract as a total value including the options and would still feel good about it if he signed…..the deal would be over when he was 37ish
    —————

    Problem with giving Cano a deal that carries into his late 30′s is that 2b requires a lot more range than 1b. I guess by that point they could move Cano off of 2b – but that’s a problem for another day.

  71. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    “the Yankees aren’t going to be able to let him go…..so they need to be thinking about how they can retain him in the most cost effective way……”

    The question becomes if these things aren’t directly at odds with each other… I’m just not sure its possible to not overpay.

  72. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Boras clients generally do not do extensions.

  73. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Only thing is, Boras doesn’t like to do extensions, he likes the leverage of free agency. Not that Cano couldn’t overrule him, but that seems pretty rare. Players go with Boras for a reason.

  74. Bo knows April 6th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Slow morning and skimmed through last night comments.

    People don’t like Girardi’s style. What, his pinstripes clash? He does’nt bound over the chalk line? His wrist isn’t supple when he calls on the BP?

    Managers manage for results, they don’t get points for execution. There is a smart one there somewhere. I know there is. Execution …hmm

    Anyway Joe is an engineer – They keep records on everything. They’re organized. Attend a project, post mortem sometimes.

    “On October 12th of ’11 you said …”

    “The hell I did”

    You want style, go watch figure skating

    Yeesh

  75. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    With the 189 in mind I don’t see the Yankees retaining Cano, Grandy, Martin, and Swisher.

  76. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “Problem with giving Cano a deal that carries into his late 30?s is that 2b requires a lot more range than 1b. I guess by that point they could move Cano off of 2b – but that’s a problem for another day.”

    yes….which is why they should be trying to extend him so that they don’t have to pay him until he’s 40. If he continues to be the player he is then he’ll push for 200 million as a 31 year old…..somebody will either pay that or drive the price up so that the Yankees have to…..

  77. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Let’s also not forget that this is basically going to be Robbie’s one and only ‘pay day.’ I mean… not relative to us mere mortals but in baseball terms. That 2008 extensions was very team friendly.

  78. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I know the market dictates this stuff to a large degree but just as a question to all of you tagging onto blake’s last post: Do we see Cano as a $200 million dollar player?

    Personally, I do. And that’s after trying to take all of my biases out of it.

  79. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    “For example, look at what good pals you and Crawdaddy are.”

    MTU,

    You got a problem with me? Otherwise, leave me out of your BS sessions with your pal Randy.

  80. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    The big question is will the Yankees overpay for Cano[29] at a position 2nd base where the top players at that position are getting 12-13M/year, and is he worth more than OF-er Kemp[27]?

    Kemp’s contract:

    8 years/$160M (2012-19)

    8 years/$160M (2012-19)
    signed extension with LA Dodgers 11/18/11 (avoided arbitration)

    $2M signing bonus (paid 4/15/12)
    12:$10M, 13:$20M, 14:$21M, 15:$21M, 16-19:$21.5M annually
    $2M of 2012 salary deferred until 4/15/13
    at signing, largest-ever deal for National League player and tied for seventh-largest ever

  81. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Shame-

    With a player like Cano and an agent like Boras I figure everything goes Robbie’s way.

    Money, years, and conditions.

    I’d be really surprised if it were otherwise.

    If the Yankees don’t want to pay the freight I’d bet that Boras will find someone who will.

  82. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Craw-

    None whatsoever.

    Meant nothin’ by it.

  83. blake April 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    It’s not Boras’s decision…..CarGo and Weaver are both Boras clients and they signed extensions…..if the offer is market value and Cano and Boras think that the offer is close enough to what they’d get in free agency AAV wise then sometimes it makes sense to pass on the max dollars and take the security of guaranteeing your money while you are healthy….

  84. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    “the guy logs 230 innings every year”

    Yes, Sabathia is a workhorse, but he’s not an “ace.” I’m in Wisconsin and watched CC after he was traded to the Brewers. In that regular season, he was terrific. But when he got to the playoffs vs Philly, CC couldn’t finish off the pitcher after getting ahead 0-2 and that lead to getting his brains beat in. That choke is similar to how Sabathia pitches with NY. He stinks in the playoffs and stinks vs the Yanks main rival, the Red Sox. He’s going to give you plenty of innings, but he won’t excel in the big games.

  85. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Craw – MTU is one of the nicest guys on this blog, don’t throw him any shade. If you can’t even take a little ribbing find somewhere else to spend your time.

  86. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Lot’s of decisions!

    Extend Cano before he gets to FA where a team like the Dodgers, well under the LT cap might snap him up?

    Extend Granderson, quickest wrists on the team, when you know that Swisher is possibly gone and possiblyGardner too, with Mason Williams possibly not ready to play in the bigs in 2014.

    Martin-What is his worth, if he returns to his offensive Dodger stats, now two years removed from the hip injury?

  87. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “Do we see Cano as a $200 million dollar player?”

    right now as a 29 year old….yes probably….in two years as a 31 year old probably not and that’s my worry….having to pay him 200 million to retain him when the contract will start as he’s exiting his prime. If you signed him now….you’d get 3-4 prime years out of an 8 year contract…and probably 3-4 very productive years on the back end. 2 years doesn’t seem like much difference….but in this case it could very well be.

  88. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “If the Yankees don’t want to pay the freight I’d bet that Boras will find someone who will.”

    Without a doubt… I can’t think of a better 2B in the game. Its a premium position, the guy will be in his prime, and he’s got both GG caliber defense and a wicked bat…… We’re going to have to open a treasure trove for him.

  89. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “Yes, Sabathia is a workhorse, but he’s not an “ace.” ”

    hogwash….show your work. He’s one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball……

  90. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “Nice try.”

    … so easy :)

  91. Chip April 6th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    MTU April 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Boras clients generally do not do extensions.
    ——————–

    And the Yankees generally don’t do them either.

    In fact the Yankees embarrassed the H. E. Double hockey sticks out of Boras last year when Cano hired him and Boras let it leak that he might want to talk about an extension that would wipe away the remaining option years on Cano’s deal. Don’t think for a minute that Boras won’t make them pay for that.

    End of the day though it will be Robbie’s decision. If Boras and the Yankees can’t come to an agreement it will be up to Cano to decide if he’s willing to leave the Yankees over money.

  92. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “.if the offer is market value and Cano and Boras think that the offer is close enough to what they’d get in free agency AAV wise then sometimes it makes sense to pass on the max dollars and take the security of guaranteeing your money while you are healthy….”

    I feel like you’re trying to convince yourself, blake :lol:

    I want to be with you on this one, tbh. I want to believe it will go down a little bit easier for both sides…. but if I’m Robbie and I signed that really nice team friendly extension in 08, and I know that in all likelihood this is going to be my last contract…. I’m taking them to the bank.

  93. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “Craw – MTU is one of the nicest guys on this blog, don’t throw him any shade. If you can’t even take a little ribbing find somewhere else to spend your time.”

    Why don’t you mind your own business!

  94. Doc Iac April 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    “the guy logs 230 innings every year”

    Yes, Sabathia is a workhorse, but he’s not an “ace.” I’m in Wisconsin and watched CC after he was traded to the Brewers. In that regular season, he was terrific. But when he got to the playoffs vs Philly, CC couldn’t finish off the pitcher after getting ahead 0-2 and that lead to getting his brains beat in. That choke is similar to how Sabathia pitches with NY. He stinks in the playoffs and stinks vs the Yanks main rival, the Red Sox. He’s going to give you plenty of innings, but he won’t excel in the big games.

    —-

    ya cause verlander really destoryed us in the playoffs, and didnt lee get knocked around while with texas?

  95. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Don’t know if Cano is too worried about security, he has played 159+ the past 5 years straight, is in very good shape, and position players don’t usually get career ending or altering injuries. Right now you’d probably have to offer 10 years (total) to extend him.

  96. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    CC stinks vs the Yanks main rival, the Red Sox.
    —————————————–

    I cannot find the stats that back up that statement:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....c-sabathia

  97. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “Craw – MTU is one of the nicest guys on this blog, don’t throw him any shade. If you can’t even take a little ribbing find somewhere else to spend your time.”

    Why don’t you mind your own business!
    ————————-

    Can’t help it :D

    If you read through their convo, it was clearly said in jest. How can anyone be so grumpy on Opening Day….

  98. djsunyc April 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    how does cano get any less than $200 mil?

  99. Doc Iac April 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    How can anyone be so grumpy on Opening Day….

    —–

    you could b a met fan :) (i know they won but really)

  100. The Genius Maker April 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I just want to point something out. A lot of people keep saying that Stewart is out of the Girardi mold because Girardi was a good defensive catcher who couldn’t hit. The truth is that Girardi couldn’t hit, but the part people don’t know is that he was a good defensive catcher who did not throw that accurately or well with the Yanks. From 96-99 (4 years) he was below the league average in throwing runners out 3 of the 4 years and the one year he was above, it was by 1%, when he was below it was 5, 5 and 8% below league average).

  101. austinmac April 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Some of the averages against Shields are abysmal. Granderson at .070 and Swisher and Tex well below .200. Lay off the change up off the plate boys. That’s how he get the lefties out. Cano, however, hits him very well.

    I sure like to start with a win. I hope the team is as ready as we all are for the season.

  102. The Genius Maker April 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Usually when I say that about Girardi, I get the comment that, “yeah, he was clutch though.” Again a terrible bias remains here because of his key triple against Atlanta, knocking in a run. However, in his 127 plate appearances that was his ONLY RBI. Yeah, the only one. he was atrocious in the postseason with an OPS of .463. Yes that is his OPS not his slug. Joe was one of the most overrated Yankee players in history.

  103. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    In fairness to Girardi except for Pettitte and Kenny Rodgers and Jimmy Key that one year, the rest of those pitchers weren’t exactly good at holding runners close to first base.

  104. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Yep, but the perception is that Girardi was a defensive catcher, and we all know perception is reality. Plus it’s more about what Girardi values than what Girardi was.

  105. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Girardi’s strength as a defensive catcher was his ability to call a good game and to make his pitchers comfortable in throwing anything to him.

  106. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Furthermore, Girardi turned 32 the year they won the 96 WS so he was in the downward trend of his career.

  107. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Posted this earlier on the blog. After good discussions on the blog, I certainly believe Cano will get a lot more than Kinsler or Phillips, arguably two of the best 2nd baseman in the game after Cano. But looking at last years statsof the 3 2nd baseman, and the impending 2014 LT implications are the Yankees a better team with another 8-10 year contract for Cano and potentially possibly no Granderson, Swisher, Martin?

    The Reds and Rangers are working towards contract extensions with Brandon Phillips [30] and Ian Kinsler[29], respectively, and ESPN’s Jim Bowden says (on Twitter) there’s some work left to be done on each. Phillips is expected to get $12.5-13MM annually, Kinsler $13.5-14MM.

    Looking at last years stats:
    Best fielding %-Phillips .992, Cano .987, Kinsler .984
    BA-Cano .302, Phillips .300, Kinsler .255 All had 610-623 AB’s
    Best OB%-Kinsler .355, Phillips .354, Cano .349
    Best Slugging%-Cano .533, Kinsler .477, Phillips .457
    Homers- Kinsler 32, Cano 28, Phillips 18
    SB-Kinsler 30, Phillips 14, Cano 8

  108. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “want to be with you on this one, tbh. I want to believe it will go down a little bit easier for both sides…. but if I’m Robbie and I signed that really nice team friendly extension in 08, and I know that in all likelihood this is going to be my last contract…. I’m taking them to the bank”

    what if Robbie tears his ACL this year and is never the same? Why did Matt Kemp, Joey Votto, Tulo, Braun etc all sign extensions instead of waiting until free agency where they could have maximized their contracts?…..because they liked where they were and their teams was offering them close to market value…..Cano could do what you’re saying and decide to just maximize his deal in free agency…..but if he does that he’s taking a little bit of a gamble on himself that he’ll be the same player and be healthy as a 31 year old in two years.

  109. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Terry Francona thinks Cano could hit “.370, .380″ this year.

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7778871

  110. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Have to go. Until later. Yankees win today behind CC mowing down the lefty hitting Rays and keeping Keppinger off the bases. Cano and A-Rod take Shields deep and Yankees go on to win 6-1!! :)

  111. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    if someone offered you 180 million dollars now vs the possiblity that you MIGHT could make 200 million dollars in 2 years….which would you take?

  112. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    cano is likely going to be a hall of fame second baseman, but i’m not sure that a second baseman should be the highest paid player on a team.

    or the best offensive player.

    this 189 thing is kind of a new wrinkle being thrown into things.

    the yankees really need to rethink their business model if they are serious about getting below it.

    i juts did a quick look at cots and i think if i were the yankees i’d wait till the 2013 season is and see where things are at. it’s possible no one is getting mega salaries then.

    a lot can happen in two years.

  113. The Genius Maker April 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    BTW, in 98 and 99, Posada threw out runners at a higher % including in 98 where Posada gunned down 40% of the runners. At that time I was shocked the Yankees didn’t start Posada almost all the time, but they finally realized 2 years later.

  114. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I think Boras waits until after the 2013 season and then starts the negotiations at 10/250. :eek:

  115. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Torre knew the value of a catcher who could hit.

  116. MTU April 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Have a good day.

    Thanks for the kind words Shame.

  117. muwarriorsfan April 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    “CC stinks vs the Yanks main rival, the Red Sox.
    —————————————–

    I cannot find the stats that back up that statement:”

    IIRC, Sabathia is 4-5 with an ERA of about 5.00 vs Boston since he joined the Yanks.

  118. Patrick April 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    if someone offered you 180 million dollars now vs the possiblity that you MIGHT could make 200 million dollars in 2 years….which would you take?

    I took economics a long time ago but I am fairly sure that $180 million now is worth more than $200 million in 2 years given an 8% interest rate and compounding annually.

  119. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    “I think Boras waits until after the 2013 season and then starts the negotiations at 10/250. ”

    The Yanks don’t save anything by doing that deal…..and I don’t think anyone would give him that contract in free agency as a 31 year old….the Angels did for Albert but he’s arguably the greatest hitter since Ted Williams.

  120. The Genius Maker April 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Craw, then why did Posada with the same pitchers do a lot better? Bottom line, Girardi was overrated. I also remember that Posada’s CERA was better than Girardi’s as well (I don’t have the numbers to back up this statement though). So, Girardi must have been a good cheerleader, even though it didn’t help his pitchers pitch well.

  121. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    and i think if i were the yankees i’d wait till the 2013 season is and see where things are at. it’s possible no one is getting mega salaries then.

    Unlikely. If they wait they are going to be paying Cano for longer @ a higher price. Extension now makes the most sense. Teams are doing extensions now to avoid FA. Too much money in the game.

  122. Jerkface April 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I took economics a long time ago but I am fairly sure that $180 million now is worth more than $200 million in 2 years given an 8% interest rate and compounding annually.

    Time value of money, BRO

  123. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    if someone offered you 180 million dollars now vs the possiblity that you MIGHT could make 200 million dollars in 2 years….which would you take?
    —————————–

    Its all relative, blake – I think everyone here would take the $180 million. But these guys know their bodies.. Cano could tear his ACL… or he could win and MVP. Its a guessing game for both sides at this point. A risk on both ends. Hell.. the Yanks could sign him to a $180 million extension and then he could tear his ACL.

    I’m not saying its impossible for him to decide to sign an extension. I’m hoping he does and its handled quick and clean. ……But this is gonna be his biggest/last pay day. I could be wrong of course (shocking I know) but I think he’s gonna want to make sure he’s squeezing everything out of it. Even, perhaps, that last $20 million.

  124. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    “I took economics a long time ago but I am fairly sure that $180 million now is worth more than $200 million in 2 years given an 8% interest rate and compounding annually”

    yup…that and the fact that the 180 million is guaranteed to be available…the 200 million may not be.

  125. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I think Boras waits until after the 2013 season and then starts the negotiations at 10/250. :eek:

    —————–

    That’s where I’d start if I were Boras.

  126. Patrick April 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Time value of money, BRO

    Yeah man I remember that much.. Present value of a sum is > future value of that same sum. Had to look up the equation to calculate future value of $180 million though

  127. Crawdaddy April 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    “Craw, then why did Posada with the same pitchers do a lot better? Bottom line, Girardi was overrated. I also remember that Posada’s CERA was better than Girardi’s as well (I don’t have the numbers to back up this statement though). So, Girardi must have been a good cheerleader, even though it didn’t help his pitchers pitch well.”

    As I stated, Girardi was on the downward slope of his career in 98 and 99 while Posada was still climbing his plateau as a player.

  128. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    New Post :arrow:

  129. jacksquat April 6th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Cano is already making 14 and 15 mil in 12/13, so the time value of money thing doesn’t carry much water, other than a little from possibly a little raise in 12/13.

    Plus, when comparing to other players, you have to consider how many of their control years were bought out compared to Cano, how much money they already had in the bank compared to Cano, etc.

  130. randy l. April 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    “Unlikely… Too much money in the game.”

    no one thought the 2008 crash would happen either.

    baseball reflects what happens in the larger world.

    see mets for example.

    of course that’s a reason for cano to sign now for a lesser but still huge amount.

  131. blake April 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Shame,

    true…and in the past the Yankees could afford to take the injury risk out of the equation….that’s basically the reason for the no extensions policy….because they’d just pay whatever it took to re-sign the player when the time came…..if they are going to operate on a budget then they are going to have to assume more risk in that regard to maximize assets

  132. Vineyard Yankee April 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Opening Day is finally here ! Let the games begin, on to # 28 !

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