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Jeter tops list of MLB’s most popular jerseys

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 07, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter’s iconic No. 2 was baseball’s highest-selling jersey last year. Alex Rodriguez also cracked the Top 15, while Robinson Cano and Mariano Rivera made it into top 20. Neither Cano nor Rivera made the previous year’s list.

MLB Most Popular Jerseys
Based on Majestic 2011 sales figures

1. Derek Jeter, New York Yankees
2. Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies
3. Albert Pujols, LA Angels of Anaheim
4. Josh Hamilton, Texas Rangers
5. Roy Halladay, Philadelphia Phillies
6. Tim Lincecum, San Francisco Giants
7. Dustin Pedroia, Boston Red Sox
8. Ryan Braun, Milwaukee Brewers
9. Hunter Pence, Philadelphia Phillies
10. Buster Posey, San Francisco Giants
11. Chase Utley, Philadelphia Phillies
12. Joe Mauer, Minnesota Twins
13. Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers
14. Adrian Gonzalez, Boston Red Sox
15. Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees
16. Ian Kinsler, Texas Rangers
17. Robinson Cano, New York Yankees
18. Mariano Rivera, New York Yankees
19. Carl Crawford, Boston Red Sox
20. David Freese, St. Louis Cardinals

The Pujols total includes both Cardinals and Angels jerseys; the Pence total includes both Astros and Phillies

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321 Responses to “Jeter tops list of MLB’s most popular jerseys”

  1. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    The Rivera totals include sales in both the earthly and heavenly planes.

  2. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Repost

    If Joe Genius hadn’t forced him to load the bases, CC would have had that option to aim for the edge of the plate, walk if necessary to Sean Rodriguez, if necessary. And even if SR went deep, which is much less likely, it’s 3 runs, not 4. Just a bad odds decision.

    ———————-
    You know you and others of your ilk have spouted that crap, ad nauseum.

    “Joe forced CC to load the bases. What did he do, bend him over. CC is some rook that will soil his undies? Sounds silly, doesn’t it?

    Girardi went out and talked to him. They discussed what CC wanted to do.

    Hey plan A didn’t work, you go to plan B. You don’t want to give up a GS, you give it a shot, slider, and move on.

    As the story goes “Sack up CC and do the hard choice”. CC closed his eyes, threw a FB and went “Oh chit”

  3. CountryClub April 7th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Pretty amazing for Jeter to be #1 16 years down the road.

  4. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    The “favorable matchup” doesn’t take into account that then the bases were loaded. Numbers change when bases are loaded.

    It also doesn’t take into account damage control. Much more chance of big damage pitching to Carlos Pena vs Sean freaking Rodriguez.

    And your (Bo) characterization of CC is ridiculous.

  5. ET April 7th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Dodgers fans don;t buy Kemp/Kershaw jerseys?
    Tigers fans haven’t bought Fielder/Cabrera jerseys?

    Hunter Pence, David Freese, and Crawford are on that list? Strange

  6. mick April 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    why not pitch around the great sean rodriguez, why add the ignominy to a returning Pena and let him conquer all?

    no doubt he broke cc’s rhythm and confidence and lost the game, not Mo, Joe.

  7. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    How ’bout this:they Girardi made a goofy decision, but CC didn’t have to compound the error by giving up the grand slam. Mo didn’t have to blow the save either. In retrospect, it took a lot to go wrong to lose that game. Draw your own conclusions, but these kinds of things tend to happen in seasons both good and bad.

  8. mick April 7th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Why no Big Papi on the list, isn’t he adored in beantown…

  9. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Carlos Pena career with bases loaded:

    .330/.433/.701/1.134

    Lots of hitters’ numbers jump up with the bases loaded. It’s a very bad situation to put a pitcher in, it only makes sense in certain situations.

  10. mick April 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    These teams that micromanage things tend to do so because they are lacking in talent. We are not. We shouldn’t have to overstrategize on Opening Day in the 1st inning.

  11. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I’d guess for a lot of the popular players that have been around for a while, a lot of fans already have their jersey. Although apparently some superstars like Jeter rise above that.

  12. mick April 7th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Carlos Pena career with bases loaded:

    ================
    The guy was a returning conquering hero up with the bags full to his adoring crowd against the team that they feel screwed hi out of the HR title just a few years ago.

    What did you expect him to do?

    Joe tempted fate.

  13. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Meanwhile, sometime LoHud love objects Gio!!!!, Garza, and Ubaldo will all be pitching within the hour, so put our problems aside and turn your gaze to the greener grass you know is out there.

  14. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    I’ll stop harping on Girardi for now so as not to annoy people. I don’t want to become like the Montero Mourners.

    Until he screws up again…

  15. blake April 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Cliff Lee #2? really?

  16. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    And your (Bo) characterization of CC is ridiculous.

    ———————

    I’m not going to spend an hour on you, after your many “over the top anguished cries” about “Joe picking on CC”.

    One time

    Pitching to a hitter comes with a plan. You adjust. El Duque used to do it all the time to the same howls.

    It all started that you don’t want to give up two runs in the first inning.

    CC had handled Pena better than Rodriguez many times in the past, so they walked him to get to Pena. The pitching sequence broke down.

    The #1 cardinal sin was giving in to Pena with a FB. Martin is also at fault.

    They did and he did. Oops.

    Doing a hundred posts about “Bad Joe” is meaningless, trite, blither working to an agenda.

    I’m still being polite here.

  17. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    It’s Philly, nuf said.

  18. CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Re: the Cespedes homer….

    Rich in NJ says:
    April 7, 2012 at 12:57 am
    “Maybe people object because he hasn’t established himself, but if it keeps up and people don’t like it, they can either stop him from hitting HR or flip him.”

    ~
    “slider speed bat”?

    http://tinyurl.com/6t8hzln

    :)

  19. tampayank April 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Let’s hope Tebow doesn’t decide to play 1B

  20. tampayank April 7th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    impressed with Cespedes so far

  21. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    Re: the Cespedes homer….

    Rich in NJ says:
    April 7, 2012 at 12:57 am
    “Maybe people object because he hasn’t established himself, but if it keeps up and people don’t like it, they can either stop him from hitting HR or flip him.”

    ~
    “slider speed bat”?

    http://tinyurl.com/6t8hzln

    Just a little hyperbole there. :)

    Cespedes has played a while, even if he is a rookie here. It’s not like if say Bryce Harper had done that. And all he did was watch it for a few steps.

    Some of these guys should go watch some Rickey Henderson home run trots.

  22. blake April 7th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    “impressed with Cespedes so far”

    Yea…..the Yanks will probably trade Banuelos for him at the deadline and Lohud will implode.

  23. Giuseppe Franco April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    blake April 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Cliff Lee #2? really?

    ———-

    That was my first reaction as well.

    Wouldn’t have guessed that one if you gave me 50 guesses.

  24. blake April 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Yea….Lee is obviosuky a good pitcher….but he’s a dud personality wise. ….that’s kids weird……its a small sample and I still think he’s going to struggle a bit but the success Cespedes has had early is all the more reason they should sign Soler…….when/if they ever have the opportunity.

  25. blake April 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Im not a jersey wearer…..but I was going to buy a Yankee Yankee jersey…..my top 5 would be.

    1. Halladay
    2. Stanton
    3. Longoria
    4. Heyward
    5. Kershaw

    Honorable mention : Hosmer, Upton, Lincecum, Verlander

  26. blake April 7th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Non yankee

  27. comet April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Hey people. It happened yesterday. We can’t ever change the past. The future begins today.

    Lets go Yankees!

  28. blake April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Go Freddy Couples!

  29. DONNYBROOK April 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    I can NOT fault Girardi for wanting to go L\L vs Pena. I fault CC for Immediately falling behind in the count 2-0, and putting Pena inna hitters count and an aggressive frame of mind.

  30. m April 7th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    I predict that sales for Pujols will go up as a first yr. Angel. But the fact that Jeter still can top this list is so impressive. The fact that this many people are willing to ignore his defensive ratings is disheartening, though. :P

    Seriously, tho. Last weekend I was with a group of teens. And one of them was playing the game where you draw the picture and the other person has to guess. She’s all, “how am I going to draw jeter?” so I told her put a ’2′ on the back of a pinstriped jersey. The kid she was with knew what I was talking about. But she had just written his name. A lot if the kids just do that in this game. Write out words from the answer. Lame!

  31. ET April 7th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “Yea…..the Yanks will probably trade Banuelos for him at the deadline and Lohud will implode.”

    Eh… that’s not really a Yankee move.

    Now, trading Gary Sanchez and Almonte for Ervin Santana, that is a Yankee move….

  32. m April 7th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    CC has enough cache to tell Rothschild when he came out to the mound before to say why don’t I try to work around Rodriguez, and if that doesn’t work I’ll get Pena.

    It’s Girardi’s fault that there was an extra baserunner, but the other baserunners, falling behind, and the fat pitch were all on CC.

  33. CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “Go Freddy Couples!”

    I second that cheer!

  34. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Brett Marshall’s had a bit of a rough start today for Trenton. 1 hit, 1 run 3 walks and a strikeout through two innings. Trouble is the 51 pitches, but, Trenton leads 2-1 on an RBI single by “Zorro” Almonte and a bomb over the center field back drop by Cody Johnson.

  35. m April 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Yooby pitching well. Perfect through 4 in 50 pitches against the potent Blue Jays (on the road of course haha).

    Fastball hitting 94-95 now. Was he one of those sophomore messed up arm candidates last season?

  36. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Ubaldo is still rocking a 0.00 ERA and it’s like 2the weeks after the season started and he’s not even supposed to be playing ‘costwo he got suspended for being a bad ass… that’s what a REAL ACE looks like. But Cashman wanted to keep Kontos until CHRIS STEWART was finally available… nice going GM Cashman!!!!! :mad:

  37. m April 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Jiminez is said to be dropping his appeal after today’s start. They have an off day, do he’ll be pushed up a day and not miss his next start.

    These really need to be 8-day suspensions.

  38. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Marshall still having control issues. That’s not normal for him. 3 innings, 2 hits 2 runs, 3 walks, 1 strikeout, 1 hit batter and 1 WP, 70 pitches, 39 strikes. 92-93 MPH fastball, a couple of bad curves and a good slider. 3-2 Trenton starting bottom of the 3rd inning.

    Now 4-2 Trenton on Zorro’s solo shot to right center.

    Lyerly homers to left center

  39. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    And Mesa homers to dead center for 3 homers in a row. 6-2 Trenton

  40. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    GB

    Do they televise any of the lower leagues or just AAA and AA?

  41. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Bo, they will on occassion. Charleston has one coming up in a few weeks. Not sure of the date, but, will try to find the date and post it. Keep checking in.

  42. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Last time Trenton had 3 straight homers, Robinson Cano was one of them.

  43. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Finally, an easy inning for Marshall with an 11 pitch inning. Everything was up. Usually, he’s a ground ball pitcher, but, only had 1 ground ball out and 8 fly outs.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Did you know that -

    In 2009, Carlos Pena hit .000 against Sabathia

    In 2010, Carlos Pena hit .000 against Sabathia

    Did you also know that -

    In 2010, Sean Rodriguez hit .125 against Sabathia
    In 2011, Sean Rodriguez hit .385 against Sabathia

    So you think it was a bad decision for Girardi to walk Rodriguez to get to Pena? Really?

    I think it makes all the sense in the world.

    Once again it goes to show that the manager is sitting with a lot more information than the frenetic fans who are pounding away every millisecond.

  45. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks GB

  46. Hassey April 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    CC, Girardi, Mo, etc. etc. They’ll be fine and give everyone plenty of bulletin board material. Still, the only thing that will decide the season is hitting at the right times…I mean, I know we didn’t have any snow this winter in NYC, but we did have a Winter between the 2011 season ans yesterday right? Sure doesn’t seem so

  47. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    trenton leads 8-2 starting top of the 5th inning. Brewer had an RBI double.

    Another fast inning for Marshall…7 pitches.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    When Ubaldo is on, he’s devastating. When Ubaldo is off, he’s terrrible. After his injury last season, he certainly didn’t light the world on fire. And when he came over to Cleveland he was pretty mediocre.

    As my dad always used to say about the stock market, nobody rings a bell to tell you when something is at its high or its low.

    I can’t fault the Yankees for not taking a chance on Jiminez, especially the way he was pitching after his injury. And we know as well as anyone that there are no guarantees that a great pitcher is going to get back to greatness after an injury. That’s a total crapshoot.

  49. m April 7th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Ubaldo is no-hitting the Jays, tho he just issued his second walk (a leadoff walk). Bautista flies out tho.

  50. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Sure thing, Bo. I’ll check the schedules a little later and as soon as I find it, I’ll put it up.

    Bottom of the 5th coming up. i said the score was 8-2 trenton, but, it’s 7-2.

    Jose Gil with a solo homer to left center. This was helped by the wind blowing out to center at 21 MPH

    8-2 trenton.

  51. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    ” So you think it was a bad decision for Girardi to walk Rodriguez to get to Pena? Really?”

    Yes.

  52. m April 7th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    His famous changeup has abandoned him and he walks another.

  53. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Marshall is finished for the day. 87 pitches, 50 strikes. 5 innings, 2 hits, 2 runs, 3 walks, 1 strikeout, 1 hit batter, 1 WP. 2 ground outs, 10 fly outs.

  54. Wave Your Hat April 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    We were screaming at Joe yesterday when he walked Rodriguez. It sure wasn’t a popular decision in my immediate vicinity.

    Yesterday made me glad the season is 162 games long and not 20.

  55. tomingeorgia April 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    GB7,
    Any chance of you making those ‘Gnats/Green Jackets games this month?

    Anybody else dying Easter eggs this afternoon?

  56. m April 7th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    IBB to load the bases is not a good idea IMO. If 3B is open, a runner’s on 2B and a double play ends the inning, then maybe.

    But these guys can get people out, even proper they’ve had problems with. But it’s over. Extra baserunner belongs to Girardi, the rest to CC.

  57. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    I wanted talk about the Gardner/Cano play, the Robertson inning, the entertainment. Baseball is here, Opening day. Yeehah.

    Instead there’s a day of kvetch, a circle jerk of Charlie Brown teacher. Wah, wah, wah and it’s still dribbling on like a bad day of incontinence.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I guess I question the sanity of anyone questioning a manager who walks a .385 BA to get to a .000 BA.

    Seriously.

    :)

  59. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Tom,

    Sorry to say, but, doesn’t look good. Have some work to do on the car before it can go on the road. Was hoping to get up there. Hopefully after the mid summer break. I’ll keep you posted, though. Would love to get back up there. Always a nice place to visit.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “But these guys can get people out, even proper they’ve had problems with. But it’s over. Extra baserunner belongs to Girardi, the rest to CC.”

    And when you know that April isn’t CC’s best month, you probably get a little creative.

    Point Girardi.

  61. m April 7th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I’m all kinds of irritated with U.B. He was throwing a no-no in the 7th with a 2-0 lead. Walks 2 batters, throws a WP (changeup in the dirt!) that moves the two runners into scoring position. And then he proceeds to give up a game-tying single. I know it’s early in the season, but I don’t want to look up at Toronto in the standings for more than a day. :P

  62. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Okay, a lot of mixed metaphors but I still like the “dribble of bad incontinence”.

  63. Wave Your Hat April 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    trisha,

    Too much can be made of pitcher-hitter history. You can miss the forest for the trees, and there’s a tremendous amount of randomness baked in. I could see maybe doing that in the 8th or 9th, but it was just a mistake in the first.

    How’s your shoulder doing by the way?

  64. m April 7th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    But he couldn’t get Pena out. :(

    I have to be honest and say I didn’t watch the inning. In fact I just hopped in right at the Pena at-bat. But if he looked as bad earlier in that inning as he did for Pena (falling behind 3-1), then with 2 outs I would have let CC work around Rodriguez instead if the IBB. There’s a chance that Rodriguez would have gotten out. By loading the bases a run scores by a HBP, a walk, or grand slam. :mad:

    But I’m not going to execute Girardi for it. Just didn’t work out.

  65. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    The simplest explanation is that Girardi knows he opened the season at 10/1 as first manager to get fired, so he’s playing scared from inning one.

  66. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    I guess I question the sanity of anyone questioning a manager who walks a .385 BA to get to a .000 BA.

    Seriously.

    Try reading some posts.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Wave,

    Much better, thank you!

  68. m April 7th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    I don’t question it, just wouldn’t have done it myself.

    In general, I don’t like the IBB. Unless it puts a Yankee on base. :)

  69. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Nobody’s firing Girardi. I don’t know if that was a joke.

    Anyway, looking at the stats, I can see it. I guess I have some questions about how many outs there were, etc., because that could make a difference but whatever.

    jack – the reason I don’t want to check the posts is because I know what it’s like on lohud when something goes sour with the Yanks and it would be hard to be able to discern between the typical malcontent posts and those posts that actually may make sense.

  70. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    After another hit by Zorro, Lyerly hits another homer. 10-2 Trenton. 6th Trenton homer.

  71. CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Both Morrow and Jimenez with nice outings today…
    Too bad neither will get the win (since I have both on my fbb team ;-) )

  72. MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    If Steinbrenner were still alive, Girardi wouldn’t still be our manager. I don’t know how anyone can honestly defend him calling pitches in the first inning of a game. That’s not his time. Later in the game, sure.. 13 pitches into the game.. no.

  73. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Cody Johnson homers over the center field batter’s eye for the 2nd time today.

  74. CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I hate the IBB – no matter who’s calling for it.
    It’s always seemed like cheating to me – just make your pitch and get the batter out or take your lumps.

  75. jacksquat April 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    jack – the reason I don’t want to check the posts is because I know what it’s like on lohud when something goes sour with the Yanks and it would be hard to be able to discern between the typical malcontent posts and those posts that actually may make sense.

    Well, I don’t feel like reposting and extending the conversation, but it’s not as simple as you’ve put it.

  76. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Girardi was 10/1 as first manager to get fired this season, so that part wasn’t.

    I think Bud Black was the favorite at 4/1.

    Few of them walk away with smiles on their faces.

  77. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    So the focus is all on the first 4 runs whitch according to many they were on Joe.

    Why no discussion about the last 3? They seem to be the ones that cost the game.

    I guess some of it depends if you need to blame someone or not.

    As far as I’m concerned they lost it as a team. Any number of things could have been done different to affect the outcome in the Yankees favor.

  78. hardwired7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    That’s a bogus list. Where’s Sean Rodriguez?

    (runs for the hills)

  79. m April 7th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Nobody said that (though they’re thinking it). I just meant that I’m not worked up over it like some people are.

    Girardi didn’t make CC give up the home run, how is he to blame?

  80. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    whitch–which

  81. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Girardi started sabathia. It’s his fault.

  82. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I’m surprised someone here hasn’t found a way to blame it on Cashman. :D:

  83. UnKnown April 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    If Steinbrenner were still alive, Girardi wouldn’t still be our manager. I don’t know how anyone can honestly defend him calling pitches in the first inning of a game. That’s not his time. Later in the game, sure.. 13 pitches into the game.. no.

    ——–

    Has that been confirmed that Girardi was calling pitches in the first inning of the game? I had not heard that. Obviously he called for the IBB, but I don’t think he was telling CC what pitches to throw, was he?

  84. Wave Your Hat April 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    CC just didn’t have his fastball yesterday, so he gets most of the blame. But Joe put him in a box where he couldn’t use his breaking pitch that effectively, so Joe deserves a little blame too.

    I guess Mo deserves some blame as well, but I’m inclined to cut him some slack.

    Fortunately, they have another 161 games in which to atone.

  85. MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    I don’t think it’s just about the first 4 runs. I think it’s more about the role of Girardi calling pitches in the first inning of the game. This sort of reminds me of that Ian Kennedy start a few years ago where he scratched him and started Bruney because there was a threat of rain that never came.. We did win that game but we also burned our pen and for no reason.

  86. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    Girardi started sabathia. It’s his fault.

    ————————————————-

    Yes but who hired Girardi?

    I bet Mattingly would’ve won that game.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “I don’t know how anyone can honestly defend him calling pitches in the first inning of a game. That’s not his time.”

    I didn’t know that there were certain times set aside as the manager’s time, and certain times that were not. I thought that when you were hired to manage, it meant from start to finish of every game.

    Maybe he detected something in the way CC was pitching that made him believe he should bypass Rodriguez.

    In any event, I know that I don’t know, so I wanted to check stats just so I could see if there was anything to that end of things.

    Oh well.

  88. tomingeorgia April 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Maine,
    But who left the team to Hal? It’s George’s fault!

  89. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    ” So the focus is all on the first 4 runs whitch according to many they were on Joe.”

    Nooooooo, MaineYankee, you’re missing a lot of nuance. Girardi’s blunder is just the particular thing being discussed, but most of us can still see it in the proper context of everything else that went wrong.

  90. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    I don’t think it’s just about the first 4 runs. I think it’s more about the role of Girardi calling pitches in the first inning of the game. This sort of reminds me of that Ian Kennedy start a few years ago where he scratched him and started Bruney because there was a threat of rain that never came.. We did win that game but we also burned our pen and for no reason.

    ——————————————————————-

    But if Madden does something like that he’s a genius.

  91. m April 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Simply put, Mo blew the game. He does it (way more) often than not. He’s failed to do it before, others have also done it. Life goes on.

  92. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    I’m surprised someone here hasn’t found a way to blame it on Cashman. :

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    well, Cashman did re-sign Girardi, sabathia and Rivera. You figure it out.

  93. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Nick in SF

    Girardi’s blunder is just the particular thing being discussed, but most of us can still see it in the proper context of everything else that went wrong.
    ———————————————————————————————

    So I guess people are rating the blunders on a scale and Girardi’s came out on top.

  94. Bo knows April 7th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

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    But hey, Grind em Cowboy.

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    On the other hand, it is always difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff when game time rolls around because there is so much whining and complaining about EVERYTHING that it turns into the little boy crying wolf. I find it impossible to discern “justified complaining” since we have a goodly deal of knee-jerks who come to the game threads.

    (Please note I am not putting anyone here into that category. Just saying that it’s impossible to get a good read on things by looking at game threads.)

  96. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    I don’t think it’s just about the first 4 runs. I think it’s more about the role of Girardi calling pitches in the first inning of the game. This sort of reminds me of that Ian Kennedy start a few years ago where he scratched him and started Bruney because there was a threat of rain that never came.. We did win that game but we also burned our pen and for no reason.

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    But if Madden does something like that he’s a genius.

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    Maddon didn’t look very brilliant last night when calling for the bunt and a couple of other times.

  97. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    m April 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Simply put, Mo blew the game. He does it (way more) often than not. He’s failed to do it before, others have also done it. Life goes on.

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    Thank you m. It really is that simple.

  98. blake April 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Turn the page

  99. m April 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Speaking of…blown save for the blue jays. :)

  100. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    GB7

    Maddon didn’t look very brilliant last night when calling for the bunt and a couple of other times.

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    No but he’s one of the best in the game. I think I read that somewhere.

  101. MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    CC was 13 pitches into the game when Girardi made that call. I’m not sure what he’s going to detect based on so few pitches. Sometimes it takes an inning for a guy to get a feel on a ball.

  102. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    ” So I guess people are rating the blunders on a scale and Girardi’s came out on top.”

    Nah, it’s just the one of several puzzle pieces being discussed at the moment. Think about it, it’s the only one that’s really open for debate, as it was a choice Girardi made. It’s not much of a debate to argue whether or not CC should’ve then given up the grand slam or if Mo should’ve blown the save. So people talk about the controversial decision that the manager made.

    The grand slam, though, that was a bigger blunder.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Still not convinced that Girardi blundered. I can’t know that just because certain people are saying he did.

  104. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Sometimes the guy in the dugout knows what a pitcher has better than someone watching from afar.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    I should have said “some people”. It has nothing to do with the particular people. :)

  106. MoRings42 April 7th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    If Madden did it, if anyone did it.. it would look the same. Bad. Let the former cy young winner pitch his game, he knows how.

  107. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    The grand slam, though, that was a bigger blunder.

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    I didn’t see that part of the game. I guess I missed the part where Girardi threw a FB right down the middle to Pena.

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    If you don’t have it, don’t load ‘em up for the pitcher.

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    “Sometimes the guy in the dugout knows what a pitcher has better than someone watching from afar.”

    Thinking the same thing.

    mel, I want the Jays to win and keep winning! I need to collect on my bet with Nick!

    :)

  111. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    The Trenton Mashers win 11-2 behind Brett Marshall’s first AA start. Here’s the complete box score.

    http://www.milb.com/gameday/in.....x_treaax_1

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 7th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I am happy that the Tigers didn’t end up with Yu Darvish.

    That’s all I have to say about that!

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  114. blake April 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Maine,

    Fair point….but the thing is that Girardi should have seen that Sabathia couldn’t locate anything ….and walking Rodriguez to load the bases for Pena brought the risk of him doing exactly what happened…..he fell behind…..then threw a fastball to a guy with loads of power expecting it…….if CC had been on his game then he Ks Pena just about every time there……but he clearly wasn’t sharp early and that’s my only criticism there…….I didn’t like the move because of how CC was pitching more than anything…..

    Game 2 needs to get here fast

  115. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    You’ll probably never be convinced, Trisha, since it’s a subjective issue. I think it was a blunder that happened to backfire in the worst possible way, but bad decisions often still work out, just as good ones often don’t. That’s baseball.

    “I guess I missed the part where Girardi threw a FB right down the middle to Pena.”

    I didn’t say the grand slam was Girardi’s blunder. That was a blunder of execution. As I just said, mistakes in execution can undermine good decisions –the or exacerbate bad ones.

  116. blake April 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    M,

    Yes….you don’t want to load the bases for a pitcher struggling to throw strikes…..it just puts more pressure on them……when CC fell behind the danger rose significantly…..because Pena coukd just guess fastball

  117. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Sad to see the over use of the Great Marmol over the last couple of years. He’ll be toast within a year.

  118. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    blake

    That’s your right to dislike it and I have no problem with that.

    If he was having trouble locating he could’ve just as easily walked Rodriguez anyway.

  119. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Nick

    I guess you and I just see it differently. I’m okay with that.

  120. Joe from Long Island April 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Hi, all.

    Allow me to offer my opinion to the subject of the moment.

    Even though it was the first inning, joe was managing as if it was late inning situation. And , one can argue that the game was on the line.

    Think about it. CC and Shields. Any reasonable person would have expected a pitcher’s duel, where one run could be the difference. Shields could well have tossed a cg shutout ( although the tanks have had success against him in the past).

    That was definitely my impression. CC had owned Pena. But, players have to execute, CC didn’t, and we’re here talking about it.

    As they say……that’s baseball.

  121. blake April 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    The binder said Pena hit .133 against lefties last year…..so Joe couldn’t pass that up. The problem is that Pena in a bases loaded situation could just sit fastball…..especially when CC fell behind……

  122. Nick in SF April 7th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Maine, I’m fine with seeing things differently, but I’m not sure what it is we disagree about. Which is also fine, I’m quite sleepy.

  123. randy l. April 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “Sometimes the guy in the dugout knows what a pitcher has better than someone watching from afar.”

    the dugout may be the worst place to watch a pitcher because it has such a bad viewing angle.

    if it was a good place to see pitches ,scouts would sit above the dugout instead of behind home plate.

  124. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    blake

    Could Pena sit FB because the bases were loaded or could he sit FB because he new CC couldn’t command his other pitches?

    CC with command has the advantage. Without, not so much.

  125. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Imagine that. The saber freaks talk about how much value there is in using the numbers and when they backfire, Girardi becomes “Binder Joe”. Make up your minds. It can’t be both ways.

  126. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    randy

    I was just going by what you told me.

    How can someone know much about baseball by watching it from your couch.

  127. MaineYankee April 7th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    randy

    You also misread what I said.

    I said Joe would know better how good CC’s command was than we could watching from afar, which would play a role in his decision.

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  129. CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “The binder said Pena hit .133 against lefties last year…..so Joe couldn’t pass that up. The problem is that Pena in a bases loaded situation could just sit fastball…..especially when CC fell behind……”

    ~

    I’m sure it’s more about “what have you done lately” but, Pena IS a .330 hitter with the bases juiced…

    ***

    Meanwhile, over at AngelsWin, the Vent thread was already open prior to first pitch :-)

  130. randy l. April 7th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “I said Joe would know better how good CC’s command was than we could watching from afar, which would play a role in his decision.”

    maine yankee-

    i’m telling you that you can’t see crap from the dugout as far as strikes and command.
    people at home have a much better view.

    girardi himself would see better if he walked up into the clubhouse and watched on tv.

  131. CompassRosy April 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “I am happy that the Tigers didn’t end up with Yu Darvish.”

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    Not me. Detroit would have been a much better landing spot for Yu, from where I sit ;)

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